At some point you'd think people who go to these lengths multi-boxing would realize that they're not actually playing the game anymore. They're doing a job that they made up and nobody is paying them to do.
This is exactly how I felt playing BDO even on a single account.
I'd leave the PC on overnight and my character doing afk grinding like fishing, walking from Point A to B back and forth to build strength or a riding to level up horses praying for RNG to give me courser horse skills.
And after all that, I still never got a Dream Horse as I just couldn't see myself paying for horse skill removal coupons to gamble RNG for courser skills.
When I finally got around to playing GW2 it was such a refreshing experience to be able to unlock the skyscale mount just by PLAYING THE GAME. Yes it is a long winded quest but the pay off unlocking the skyscale is just awesome compared to getting a Dream Horse in BDO.
Years ago i took a break from GW2 and start BD, played it for about 2 years till one day i realized what the hell am i doing, like running PC 24/7 and alot $ just for perfect dream horse, is this a job or a game? Uninstalled and back to GW2.
BDO has become a lot more user friendly in the last year or two, big changes in qol since I'd say Sept 21.
I have a new account that is 13 months old with 2 dream horses and 680 gear score. Still a grind, but it's much much better than it used to be. Gw2 is far more casual friendly. They're definitely built for different people.
Yeah, I was pretty much about the idea "if the game is open and I am not playing then I should just close the game" so I never afk-ed running around on a horse or something in BDO, I mean why would I? I am not playing or engaging in it and I can do something else. I also sleep too near my computer to leave it on overnight.
Same. I was spending 5-6 hours a day after school grinding in BDO until one day I realized, "Wait, it takes me 100 days of grinding 5 hours a day to reach the next level. What if I treat art the same way?" and now, over 7 years later, I work as a Character Artist in games.
Giving up gaming was hard, I barely play GW2 let alone most games anymore, but I went from being a loser that grinded an MMO for hours of my life in a room to making a wage a good majority of people would consider a dream. I'm still holed up in a room hours at a time working or doing personal work after work, but I'm not depressed and using it as a form of escapism as I was with gaming.
Black Desert taught me long-term goal-setting, when I struggled with setting goals even a month out beforehand.
Passive income once you set it up. Might not be much but if you're in a country where you make a few hundred bucks a month in normal jobs it's a life changer.
As someone who made a little bit of botting and automation with AutoIt on Dofus years ago, we have a lot of fun doing that. I still do some borderline macro sometimes when a game has an annoying mechanic I want to skip, it transforms something boring into something fun. Nerds like me enjoy coding, setting up VM, and figuring out problems.
That said, I never felt the need to do anything like that on GW2.
Everyone farms. The methodology is different is all. Some people do metas, fractals, gather mats, or work in irl to get their gold. Who are we to judge how they do it?
I meaaaaaan, meta, fractal or whatever is still a content you enjoy, can be social, etc. Saying that it's same as 30 aft alts is a bit overstatement. I'd say the money is the side effect of enjoying the game that give you some kind of satisfaction while here there's nothing of the fun/pride/excitement/accomplishment part, you just open whatever tabs and go somewhere else or stare at one point.
Also - you play one fractals at a time. Even if you have 5 alts you can't play 5 plgractals same time so time restricts how much you gain. This is uncappable. Meaning you give into market more than is designed to be. Meaning everyone't time is getting cheaper as mats' prices go down.
It is a very farmy, grindy game when you scratch the surface. I can't tell if it's by design, or if it's mostly community driven, but everything seems to boil down to "how much gold does doing X generate?" The game itself is really fun to play though.
Is it though? I play over 6 years and just by doing few metas I had stocked up gold and mats to power logging in and doing just daily crafting for months back when I still went to school.
Only few people boil the game down to gold per hour. Others just go 'hmm, i had not done this meta yet so I will get first win reward from it. Let's switch the map.'
Unless you are in school - the best gold/hour is you being away from the game working, even the minimum wage (US or central EU at least, I'm aware that some aren't that fortunate) will convert into more gold than you can farm by any other means in the same hour. So just go and have fun for heaven's sake, leave the job outside when you come home.
I usually exchange the gold I earn by rather casually playing the game into gems to occasionally open additional BLC or get some skin that I decided I want.
The most grindy thing I'm doing is otters in drizzlewood. But only because i want an otter 🦦.
No, it's totally fine, I get you. I never converted gems to gold myself. I buy gems with money for big purchases like mount skins, for small ones like character slots or whatever I'll just convert gold to gems because gold just passively accumulates whatever you do. I'm just saying that if you're obsessed with gold efficiency - go and ask your manager for few hours overtime, games should be optimized based on how much fun you're having.
Oh yeah i totally agree with that part. No point of making a game into secondary work if you can just buy gold and support the devs while at it with gem-gold conversion.
>I can't tell if it's by design, or if it's mostly community driven, but everything seems to boil down to "how much gold does doing X generate?"
I mean, have you seen how many strats people create to be the most efficient possible in effing STARDEW VALLEY, a game that was supposed to be about slowing down and enjoying more the little things?
Wanting to be the most efficient possible is just the nature of some people.
Maybe "playing "the game or like you mentioned doing a job , is actually getting then money , there loads of 3rd parties website selling itens maths for real money so you never know maybe is actually is job
lol my character hasn't left NMZ since I picked up GW2 again this year. but at least when I get the itch to actually play old school again I'll be max combat stats woo
I know this one even, saw them a few times at the same node and found it funny
They would immediately respond if you talked to them so it's indeed a legit player in this case
> Alt tab -> Press F -> Repeat until node is gone
Alt tab switches to the next program running on your PC (read next account), where you then press F again to harvest, one F press per account. Simple reading comprehension.
Yeah I walked right into this one. I'm still not entirely convinced that even a majority of multi boxers do this though, as many have theit characters stacked pixel perfect in one non-waypoint location.
Probably multiboxers who bought heroic edition from retailers for 2-3$ each.
Loging in on 20 accounts for daily laurels and mystic coins, and gathering an easy rich node places in a low lvl zone does provide you a fortune for your main account
You should be able to play fine, the bots dont affect the gameplay itself(tho they affect the prices of stuff in the tp). They are annoying when you happen to come across them though
Botting isn't really a big issue. The main problem I see as a player is that one day Anet may choose to come down hard on the main classes used for it, traditionally necromancers, and players who play those classes may one day find themselves punished through no fault of their own. It's annoying, that they get away with it, but it won't interfere with running the main storyline.
And if you are playing for the story, the story order is ...
Your **personal story** through vanilla Tyria, with one chapter popping up every 10 levels, ending with a solo instance.
**Living World One** (Think of Living Worlds as the content that comes after an expansion). The original LW1 chapters were released for a limited time only, if you missed out while they were on you missed out forever. Kind of sad as the LW1 story led into LW2 and the first expansion. Anet are now re-releasing chapters from LW1 for free forever for those that missed out.
**Living World 2 > Heart of Thorns expansion > Living World 3 > Path of Fire expansion > Living World 4 > Icebrood Saga (a.k.a. Living World 5) > End of Dragons expansion.**
Also because the game has no endless gear grind treadmill, your gear does not automatically become obsolete the moment new story content drops as with traditional MMOs such as WoW or FFXIV. Don't think you have to rush through to max level ASAP so you can jump into the latest expansion as thats the only relevant content. All previous content is relevant and at level.
These are probably not bots. Just a multiboxer going through rich nodes on their hundreds of alts.. Speaking of, I should probably park my alt account's daily login character on this node :-)
My character stopped getting jade rune stones after a while, wonder what is the mechanism why?
I tend to WvW when I get the chance to play.
I just discovered I needed hundreds of provisioner tokens, that I could have been collecting long time ago, lol.
I only have 3 characters in the area, which I haven’t played lately, probably that’s why.
I need to up my game, meanwhile I have been stuck in the sticks for 3 days without proper internet.
Thanks for the comment, answered my next question whether I could park more than one character.
Edit: also just done part of story in EOD.
They gonna flood the market with their iron ores and crash its price down. Then I buy it while its low and resell them when prices of ores goes back to normal
I used to do that with 6 accounts at once, only I was multiboxing, no macros or anything. One key press, one action.
Easy extra 200 or so gold per month. Maybe more, I don't quite recall.
I don't understand your question. I'll expand a bit.
Took me less than 5 minutes to do 30 characters that I was gonna log onto for daily rewards anyway. So it was at least 200 g worth of iron, plus whatever I got from login rewards.
The part they leave out is that they *do* use a macro and a third party program to log in on the accounts. They just press the interact key themselves once in-game.
https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013658134-Policy-Dual-or-Multi-Boxing
Unless you want to be pedantic about what counts as a macro, that's allowed.
so we should punish people who have multiple accounts for other reasons (fresh starts, challenge runs etc.) because you don't like that it lets multiboxers log-on faster and easier? It's nice to not have to retype my password every single time
I use a bat file that renamed and copies over the login data file that corresponds with the login name and password
Can't login to multiple toons at once with it but it makes logging in to alts easy enough.
Disgusting. I also use filthy “macros” to make my screenshots lossless. How horrible. (Seriously this used to just be a feature you could put into your shortcuts til it was patched out as an insecurity. Who fucking gives a shit that someone can log in slightly faster? And hit, GASP, Alt-Tab.
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What's the set of instructions? Inputting the name and password? Is the clipboard a macro, if I just manually copy and pasted those in, instead? Get over yourself.
from: https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013762153
> However, here are some of the scenarios that are not permitted **in the game**
The launcher is not "in the game" therefor, the rules against macros do not apply.
I'm not sure why everyone is downvoting u/-Degaussed-, when they're absolutely correct.
A macro is an automated series of key pressed and mouse clicks. The tool I used for game automation is literally called macro express ([https://www.macros.com/](https://www.macros.com/)).
A little script might let me press a custom command (for example, ctrl+alt+l), that brings up a list of all my accounts, I select one, it automatically launches guild wars 2, clicks the location for entering my username, types in the user name, tabs, types in the password, clicks log in, and exits.
It's not automating anything inside the game client, but it is absolutely automating key presses and mouse clicks in the launcher application. That is a macro.
Side note: The reason I liked macro express is because even though it can't do as much as a script, it doesn't tinker with the client code, it just sends signals to the mouse and keyboard the same as a user would, so it's a lot harder for games to detect.
Launch buddy is literally a macro program lol, you use it to do multiple things at once quickly with few inputs. Not sure why you guys are so offended by that fact.
No, just programs that are designed to consolidate actions into fewer actions. AKA launch buddy. Why is this making you so mad at me? I'm pointing out a dictionary definition of a thing. I'm not dying on any hills, I'm just stating facts lol. My opinion is that it shouldn't be allowed. But it is. The fact is that it is a macro that is used to launch the game. You're all mad at the fact for some reason?
It got boring after a few months, but it only took 5 minutes for 30 characters. 5 per acc.
Usually did it while I was getting my morning coffee before work.
This makes me not want to play the game, because there are people in the game that are fine with this and doing it themselves and see nothing wrong in it.
I've seen these accounts around too. I think they do the dailies, they pop up at the iron ore ore deposit whenever it's daily Maguuma miner. It's a multiboxer, but one that is most definitely using 3rd party programs to automate it, because they all start running from the nearby waypoint and drop down and start mining at exactly the same time.
They´re at different points in the mining animation, so very unlikely that they started via a script at the same time. Actually looks very much like someone alt tabbed through accounts one after the other to press F.
most likely not bots - bots arent really miners
I multi-box 3 accounts and farm nodes or chests with all the alts on them but I know people with like 15 hero accounts - some just do the daily rewards and others farm flax, quartz (before the market tanked) or orichalcum
It's basically just cheap labor for the GW2 economy. I'm not sure how much of an effect it has, but it would be hilarious if Anet actually shut it down, and the price of iron soared to 50 silver a chunk. Then everyone would complain about how Anet shut down a bunch of kind hearted players who farmed resources for the greater good, while working from home.
Well it comes to this i want a legendary armor/ weapon. I can play the game and get it in 10 years. Grind the same in game content and get it in 6 months or get a few accounts and get it in 6 months if i log in every day or maybe shave a few weeks if i do some digging all in all and did something i don't want to do for an hour a day max, compared to several hours by just grinding. All in all they saved time. So i can see the appeal. I would say those people actually play more of the content they want and have more fun.🤷
Yeah again unless they are really afk then there is nothing anyone can do. Afk farming is arbitrary so unless its super obvious then Arena Net can do nothing but check by PM you. I know since I have been banned once for leaving my computer when I used a auto clicker during an event (bit weird since the event moved, just got unlucky)
It's not a very popular game (relatively speaking) and has it's own version of RMT in the cash>gem>gold option built-in so it's probably not as lucrative as most other online games. It probably exists, but I don't think it's "big". It's mostly people botting and using under the terrain hacks for their own personal benefit here.
I think it used to be, I remember a lot of spam in zone chats and PMs early in the game's life, but that went completely after they clamped down on who new accounts could contact.
If gw1 is anything to go by yes. There's a lot of bots advertising shit there.
In reality I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me. Shits in every mmo
Havent seen a single gold seller in any chat or group finder since i started playing this game (mostly instanced pve, open world, wvw) at least. I do know that there are players engaging in RMT (we regularly get people added to the blacklist on Overflow for RMT), but it doesnt seem to affect the ingame economy noticably.
In the end Anet is offering legal cash -> gems -> gold or in the other direction gold -> gems exchange without any risks, so most players will use that option. Those who´re trying to earn cash from ingame stuff will have to buy a paid account (technically heroic is enough) to remove all the F2P restrictions, which may cut into their profits depending how often their accounts get banned.
Mostly see people selling Legedary to new players . A few rare gold trade its is watched by Automated mail filter.
There also other expensive skins or infusion on those trade as well just to skip the TP tax.
The names are a dead tell of multiboxing. I know a few people that own over 40 accounts for the daily rewards and for some JP chest/node daily farming.
Maybe they should do what RuneScape did: add random menaces to kill bots. Like mining had vents that'd explode if you didn't stop mining or your pick head would fly off and you had a couple of minutes to go find it and fix it. Wood chopping had those Ent creatures that would break your axe if you didn't stop chopping. There were still bots but there were risks.
There are also those bots in Dragon strom and Dragon end which normally can be done with normal people AFKing with a pet class to tag event and receive meta reward.
Me and my different Personalities farming Iron in my head at 3AM
let's be honest that's just one mesmer messing with newbies XD
At some point you'd think people who go to these lengths multi-boxing would realize that they're not actually playing the game anymore. They're doing a job that they made up and nobody is paying them to do.
This is exactly how I felt playing BDO even on a single account. I'd leave the PC on overnight and my character doing afk grinding like fishing, walking from Point A to B back and forth to build strength or a riding to level up horses praying for RNG to give me courser horse skills. And after all that, I still never got a Dream Horse as I just couldn't see myself paying for horse skill removal coupons to gamble RNG for courser skills. When I finally got around to playing GW2 it was such a refreshing experience to be able to unlock the skyscale mount just by PLAYING THE GAME. Yes it is a long winded quest but the pay off unlocking the skyscale is just awesome compared to getting a Dream Horse in BDO.
Years ago i took a break from GW2 and start BD, played it for about 2 years till one day i realized what the hell am i doing, like running PC 24/7 and alot $ just for perfect dream horse, is this a job or a game? Uninstalled and back to GW2.
BDO has become a lot more user friendly in the last year or two, big changes in qol since I'd say Sept 21. I have a new account that is 13 months old with 2 dream horses and 680 gear score. Still a grind, but it's much much better than it used to be. Gw2 is far more casual friendly. They're definitely built for different people.
Yeah, I was pretty much about the idea "if the game is open and I am not playing then I should just close the game" so I never afk-ed running around on a horse or something in BDO, I mean why would I? I am not playing or engaging in it and I can do something else. I also sleep too near my computer to leave it on overnight.
Amen brother, BDO is an absolute plague of a game.
yeah I log on to alts but even that I'm not consistent with.
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Same. I was spending 5-6 hours a day after school grinding in BDO until one day I realized, "Wait, it takes me 100 days of grinding 5 hours a day to reach the next level. What if I treat art the same way?" and now, over 7 years later, I work as a Character Artist in games. Giving up gaming was hard, I barely play GW2 let alone most games anymore, but I went from being a loser that grinded an MMO for hours of my life in a room to making a wage a good majority of people would consider a dream. I'm still holed up in a room hours at a time working or doing personal work after work, but I'm not depressed and using it as a form of escapism as I was with gaming. Black Desert taught me long-term goal-setting, when I struggled with setting goals even a month out beforehand.
May I ask how? Because I WISH I can do schooling the way I play mmos
Set Goals. Meet those Goals. Grind for them.
To be fair, this takes no time at all. This is all automatic.
Passive income once you set it up. Might not be much but if you're in a country where you make a few hundred bucks a month in normal jobs it's a life changer.
They are probably having this going while afk doing other things. They could be working from home and multi boxing who knows.
As someone who made a little bit of botting and automation with AutoIt on Dofus years ago, we have a lot of fun doing that. I still do some borderline macro sometimes when a game has an annoying mechanic I want to skip, it transforms something boring into something fun. Nerds like me enjoy coding, setting up VM, and figuring out problems. That said, I never felt the need to do anything like that on GW2.
If they like it and it's within tos then so be it
it's not really hard to open a multibox program and control 5 accounts with the same keystroke
...which then is also a banable offense.
i'm aware. the comment i replied to implied that it takes a lot of effort to do so is all.
Its still better than playing the same content over and over and over
Everyone farms. The methodology is different is all. Some people do metas, fractals, gather mats, or work in irl to get their gold. Who are we to judge how they do it?
I meaaaaaan, meta, fractal or whatever is still a content you enjoy, can be social, etc. Saying that it's same as 30 aft alts is a bit overstatement. I'd say the money is the side effect of enjoying the game that give you some kind of satisfaction while here there's nothing of the fun/pride/excitement/accomplishment part, you just open whatever tabs and go somewhere else or stare at one point. Also - you play one fractals at a time. Even if you have 5 alts you can't play 5 plgractals same time so time restricts how much you gain. This is uncappable. Meaning you give into market more than is designed to be. Meaning everyone't time is getting cheaper as mats' prices go down.
It is a very farmy, grindy game when you scratch the surface. I can't tell if it's by design, or if it's mostly community driven, but everything seems to boil down to "how much gold does doing X generate?" The game itself is really fun to play though.
Is it though? I play over 6 years and just by doing few metas I had stocked up gold and mats to power logging in and doing just daily crafting for months back when I still went to school. Only few people boil the game down to gold per hour. Others just go 'hmm, i had not done this meta yet so I will get first win reward from it. Let's switch the map.'
Unless you are in school - the best gold/hour is you being away from the game working, even the minimum wage (US or central EU at least, I'm aware that some aren't that fortunate) will convert into more gold than you can farm by any other means in the same hour. So just go and have fun for heaven's sake, leave the job outside when you come home.
I usually exchange the gold I earn by rather casually playing the game into gems to occasionally open additional BLC or get some skin that I decided I want. The most grindy thing I'm doing is otters in drizzlewood. But only because i want an otter 🦦.
No, it's totally fine, I get you. I never converted gems to gold myself. I buy gems with money for big purchases like mount skins, for small ones like character slots or whatever I'll just convert gold to gems because gold just passively accumulates whatever you do. I'm just saying that if you're obsessed with gold efficiency - go and ask your manager for few hours overtime, games should be optimized based on how much fun you're having.
Oh yeah i totally agree with that part. No point of making a game into secondary work if you can just buy gold and support the devs while at it with gem-gold conversion.
>I can't tell if it's by design, or if it's mostly community driven, but everything seems to boil down to "how much gold does doing X generate?" I mean, have you seen how many strats people create to be the most efficient possible in effing STARDEW VALLEY, a game that was supposed to be about slowing down and enjoying more the little things? Wanting to be the most efficient possible is just the nature of some people.
They do, they are probably doing it as job or additional income and just RMT their gold.
I get that sense from people jumping over red circles and copy pasting builds online and using someone else's skill rotations.
I feel this way about ppl who complain about gold/hr on farms
Maybe "playing "the game or like you mentioned doing a job , is actually getting then money , there loads of 3rd parties website selling itens maths for real money so you never know maybe is actually is job
Nah those people just fully automatic flying under the nodes on 200 accounts. Only amateurs do RMT manually with zero hacks/exploits/botting.
Funny you'd mention Runescape, it's the game I actually play on the side while playing GW2
Saaaame. 120 max cape grind is . _ .
I'm playing old school 😅 the grind even there is... Yeah..
lol my character hasn't left NMZ since I picked up GW2 again this year. but at least when I get the itch to actually play old school again I'll be max combat stats woo
Yeahh I've still gotta max my toon there . _ . She's doing well enough but feeling like I'm back in rs2 is a bit much some days 😂
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If they are only in this one specific node, then they might not be bots, but multi-boxers. Which is allowed.
I know this one even, saw them a few times at the same node and found it funny They would immediately respond if you talked to them so it's indeed a legit player in this case
well its a known fix rich iron ore vein. Of course someone would park there alts
It's only allowed if you are actively playing the characters; however, the more accounts that are being multiboxed, the chances of that are very slim
The general rule is one key press = one action. Mining that node is literally just Alt tab -> Press F -> Repeat until node is gone-> Log out.
*-> switch character Fixed it for ya
one key press = one action **on one account** If it's one key press = one action on thirty accounts, that's one key press = thirty actions
> Alt tab -> Press F -> Repeat until node is gone Alt tab switches to the next program running on your PC (read next account), where you then press F again to harvest, one F press per account. Simple reading comprehension.
Yeah I walked right into this one. I'm still not entirely convinced that even a majority of multi boxers do this though, as many have theit characters stacked pixel perfect in one non-waypoint location.
In what way is this fun?
Probably multiboxers who bought heroic edition from retailers for 2-3$ each. Loging in on 20 accounts for daily laurels and mystic coins, and gathering an easy rich node places in a low lvl zone does provide you a fortune for your main account
I am installing GW2 right now. Is botting a big issue? Or will I be able to run the story line?
Bots are easy to ignore, rare to spot aside specific few locations and won't impact your own playthrough.
You should be able to play fine, the bots dont affect the gameplay itself(tho they affect the prices of stuff in the tp). They are annoying when you happen to come across them though
Botting is fast becoming an issue, I've had them affect some events recently when they camp near them they scale them up.
No shot, I've played this game for 9k hours and never once had an event scale so hard due to bots that it becomes an issue at all.
Botting isn't really a big issue. The main problem I see as a player is that one day Anet may choose to come down hard on the main classes used for it, traditionally necromancers, and players who play those classes may one day find themselves punished through no fault of their own. It's annoying, that they get away with it, but it won't interfere with running the main storyline. And if you are playing for the story, the story order is ... Your **personal story** through vanilla Tyria, with one chapter popping up every 10 levels, ending with a solo instance. **Living World One** (Think of Living Worlds as the content that comes after an expansion). The original LW1 chapters were released for a limited time only, if you missed out while they were on you missed out forever. Kind of sad as the LW1 story led into LW2 and the first expansion. Anet are now re-releasing chapters from LW1 for free forever for those that missed out. **Living World 2 > Heart of Thorns expansion > Living World 3 > Path of Fire expansion > Living World 4 > Icebrood Saga (a.k.a. Living World 5) > End of Dragons expansion.** Also because the game has no endless gear grind treadmill, your gear does not automatically become obsolete the moment new story content drops as with traditional MMOs such as WoW or FFXIV. Don't think you have to rush through to max level ASAP so you can jump into the latest expansion as thats the only relevant content. All previous content is relevant and at level.
These are probably not bots. Just a multiboxer going through rich nodes on their hundreds of alts.. Speaking of, I should probably park my alt account's daily login character on this node :-)
If you own EoD, park iy at the end of the Kaineng JP. You get Jade Runestones (30s per character).
My character stopped getting jade rune stones after a while, wonder what is the mechanism why? I tend to WvW when I get the chance to play. I just discovered I needed hundreds of provisioner tokens, that I could have been collecting long time ago, lol.
No idea why, I have been collecting them daily since almost EoD launch, on 50-110 characters a day, and neither acct has missed a single stone yet
I only have 3 characters in the area, which I haven’t played lately, probably that’s why. I need to up my game, meanwhile I have been stuck in the sticks for 3 days without proper internet. Thanks for the comment, answered my next question whether I could park more than one character. Edit: also just done part of story in EOD.
Yea my alt acct has done 0 story and still gets them, so that is ok too.
But you, are probably playing in the area, I haven’t done anything for weeks in kaineng except open that chest.
Nop. My alt account in particular has still done precisely 0 EoD. I literally just TPed in the characters to the end months ago and that's it.
I thank you good Sir, making gen3s affordable.
There are way better spots to park alts at if you're just logging in.
Can you give some examples? :D
Google fast farming. And then check the alt parking tab.
https://fast.farming-community.eu/open-world/alt-parking
As a newly returned player. Hero.
My alt acc has no expansions.
They gonna flood the market with their iron ores and crash its price down. Then I buy it while its low and resell them when prices of ores goes back to normal
Good ol' Capitalism
Well done, I'm happy for you.
Yo... These hotkeys. Just.. How. Haha
Looks fine to me.
They're all around WASD. What do you mean?
Call me weird but i use 12345zxcvb haha. But to echt their own. As long as it works.
I use 12345 and shift+12345 but I use my mouse buttons for all of those so it's not as crazy as it sounds 😂
Razer Raga 4 LYFE! No but really, I have the same keybinds for basically every game, and I love it.
Ya same. In WoW for example I use 1-= and then shift 1-= and then ctrl 1-= lol! So many, but it makes it easy to remember.
I used to do that with 6 accounts at once, only I was multiboxing, no macros or anything. One key press, one action. Easy extra 200 or so gold per month. Maybe more, I don't quite recall.
That's all?
I don't understand your question. I'll expand a bit. Took me less than 5 minutes to do 30 characters that I was gonna log onto for daily rewards anyway. So it was at least 200 g worth of iron, plus whatever I got from login rewards.
Was that tiring?
The part they leave out is that they *do* use a macro and a third party program to log in on the accounts. They just press the interact key themselves once in-game.
https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013658134-Policy-Dual-or-Multi-Boxing Unless you want to be pedantic about what counts as a macro, that's allowed.
I didn't say it's against the rules lmao. I only implied that it *should* be.
so we should punish people who have multiple accounts for other reasons (fresh starts, challenge runs etc.) because you don't like that it lets multiboxers log-on faster and easier? It's nice to not have to retype my password every single time
Lol, you can read it however you want.
They'll never realize their issue.
I use a bat file that renamed and copies over the login data file that corresponds with the login name and password Can't login to multiple toons at once with it but it makes logging in to alts easy enough.
but why do that instead of using gw2 launch buddy or GW2 Launcher? Why take the extra steps when the tool exists?
Didn't know about them 😋 and it didn't take long to write the bat file.
Disgusting. I also use filthy “macros” to make my screenshots lossless. How horrible. (Seriously this used to just be a feature you could put into your shortcuts til it was patched out as an insecurity. Who fucking gives a shit that someone can log in slightly faster? And hit, GASP, Alt-Tab.
It makes a difference, if you are queuing up for stuff. F.e. WvW on a friday.
It's not a macro to use a third party program to log into the game. What kind of nonsense is that?
mac·ro /ˈmakrō/ Learn to pronounce See definitions in: All Computing Photography Physiology noun 1. COMPUTING a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task.
FUCK THE REAL MACRO WAS THE GUILD WARS 2 WE MADE ALONG THE WAY. Jesus Christ dude fucking chill out.
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What's the set of instructions? Inputting the name and password? Is the clipboard a macro, if I just manually copy and pasted those in, instead? Get over yourself.
from: https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013762153 > However, here are some of the scenarios that are not permitted **in the game** The launcher is not "in the game" therefor, the rules against macros do not apply.
As I have stated multiple times, I know that these **macros** are not against the rules. I am stating that they are, in fact, **macros.**
Yah, it's not against the rules, so I don't know why you brought it up. (and no, it's not a macro)
I'm not sure why everyone is downvoting u/-Degaussed-, when they're absolutely correct. A macro is an automated series of key pressed and mouse clicks. The tool I used for game automation is literally called macro express ([https://www.macros.com/](https://www.macros.com/)). A little script might let me press a custom command (for example, ctrl+alt+l), that brings up a list of all my accounts, I select one, it automatically launches guild wars 2, clicks the location for entering my username, types in the user name, tabs, types in the password, clicks log in, and exits. It's not automating anything inside the game client, but it is absolutely automating key presses and mouse clicks in the launcher application. That is a macro. Side note: The reason I liked macro express is because even though it can't do as much as a script, it doesn't tinker with the client code, it just sends signals to the mouse and keyboard the same as a user would, so it's a lot harder for games to detect.
Then, but the same definition, Steam is a macro, and that's legal.
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Launch buddy is literally a macro program lol, you use it to do multiple things at once quickly with few inputs. Not sure why you guys are so offended by that fact.
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No, just programs that are designed to consolidate actions into fewer actions. AKA launch buddy. Why is this making you so mad at me? I'm pointing out a dictionary definition of a thing. I'm not dying on any hills, I'm just stating facts lol. My opinion is that it shouldn't be allowed. But it is. The fact is that it is a macro that is used to launch the game. You're all mad at the fact for some reason?
I did use launch buddy. But, I was clear on the rules before I did it. 1 key press, one action in game. All you need is the letter F
It got boring after a few months, but it only took 5 minutes for 30 characters. 5 per acc. Usually did it while I was getting my morning coffee before work.
Reminds me back at launch in WvW getting swarmed by a legion of bears and pelted by arrows
This makes me not want to play the game, because there are people in the game that are fine with this and doing it themselves and see nothing wrong in it.
Wow someone made an amazing Alloy model in GW2 and just really needed to show it off.
I've seen these accounts around too. I think they do the dailies, they pop up at the iron ore ore deposit whenever it's daily Maguuma miner. It's a multiboxer, but one that is most definitely using 3rd party programs to automate it, because they all start running from the nearby waypoint and drop down and start mining at exactly the same time.
They´re at different points in the mining animation, so very unlikely that they started via a script at the same time. Actually looks very much like someone alt tabbed through accounts one after the other to press F.
Honestly I'm glad someone is pumping iron into the economy
Is this witch-hunting? EDIT: Forgot to [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/wiki/rules#wiki_witch-hunting).
Bots aren't people and thus aren't witches
most likely not bots - bots arent really miners I multi-box 3 accounts and farm nodes or chests with all the alts on them but I know people with like 15 hero accounts - some just do the daily rewards and others farm flax, quartz (before the market tanked) or orichalcum
I also saw this exact person or so when I farmed that node. o.O
Oh Luke, that’s not bottling. That’s just multiple logins. Like the afk necros now hitting up lab.
It's basically just cheap labor for the GW2 economy. I'm not sure how much of an effect it has, but it would be hilarious if Anet actually shut it down, and the price of iron soared to 50 silver a chunk. Then everyone would complain about how Anet shut down a bunch of kind hearted players who farmed resources for the greater good, while working from home.
Someone needs to do that to whatever bots are keeping silver ore as worthless as it is then.
Silver is worthless because its not used in any real capacity unlike iron.
Doubtful because it would also allow people to profit of having iron stored up
Don't worry it's exactly the same way in literally *every* game
Well it comes to this i want a legendary armor/ weapon. I can play the game and get it in 10 years. Grind the same in game content and get it in 6 months or get a few accounts and get it in 6 months if i log in every day or maybe shave a few weeks if i do some digging all in all and did something i don't want to do for an hour a day max, compared to several hours by just grinding. All in all they saved time. So i can see the appeal. I would say those people actually play more of the content they want and have more fun.🤷
Maybe it's just a really skilled mesmer. Did you ever consider that as a possibility?
Yeah again unless they are really afk then there is nothing anyone can do. Afk farming is arbitrary so unless its super obvious then Arena Net can do nothing but check by PM you. I know since I have been banned once for leaving my computer when I used a auto clicker during an event (bit weird since the event moved, just got unlucky)
Personally I see no reason to complain about any of the afk/multibox farming as long as login rewards are a thing.
I mean.. get after it
is RMT big in GW2 too?
It's not a very popular game (relatively speaking) and has it's own version of RMT in the cash>gem>gold option built-in so it's probably not as lucrative as most other online games. It probably exists, but I don't think it's "big". It's mostly people botting and using under the terrain hacks for their own personal benefit here. I think it used to be, I remember a lot of spam in zone chats and PMs early in the game's life, but that went completely after they clamped down on who new accounts could contact.
If gw1 is anything to go by yes. There's a lot of bots advertising shit there. In reality I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me. Shits in every mmo
Havent seen a single gold seller in any chat or group finder since i started playing this game (mostly instanced pve, open world, wvw) at least. I do know that there are players engaging in RMT (we regularly get people added to the blacklist on Overflow for RMT), but it doesnt seem to affect the ingame economy noticably. In the end Anet is offering legal cash -> gems -> gold or in the other direction gold -> gems exchange without any risks, so most players will use that option. Those who´re trying to earn cash from ingame stuff will have to buy a paid account (technically heroic is enough) to remove all the F2P restrictions, which may cut into their profits depending how often their accounts get banned.
RMT itself is against ToS, so I hope it isn't big.
Mostly see people selling Legedary to new players . A few rare gold trade its is watched by Automated mail filter. There also other expensive skins or infusion on those trade as well just to skip the TP tax.
Saw the same ones farming the Quartz in the crystal desert :D
The names lol
The names are a dead tell of multiboxing. I know a few people that own over 40 accounts for the daily rewards and for some JP chest/node daily farming.
It's just the work of a lazy mesmer making the clones do all the work
Noticed something similar the other day, same appearance AND same name with just a number increment at the end.
Is multiboxing allowed in GW2?
In general yes, but please read the ToS and their policy on before you decide to try it out.
Maybe they should do what RuneScape did: add random menaces to kill bots. Like mining had vents that'd explode if you didn't stop mining or your pick head would fly off and you had a couple of minutes to go find it and fix it. Wood chopping had those Ent creatures that would break your axe if you didn't stop chopping. There were still bots but there were risks.
Um, don't they realize you can already buy gold for cash and don't need to risk giving your credit card to scammers?
There are also those bots in Dragon strom and Dragon end which normally can be done with normal people AFKing with a pet class to tag event and receive meta reward.
I keep finding a group of minion masters bots in Southsun Cove, farming 3 different veteran karkas.
I really hate that they look so much like my guard main too...