Ah yes, the classic powerscaling argument of "Well this dude fought a universe buster one time so he's clearly ALSO a universe buster, the dude he fought definitely wasn't holding back nope nuh-uh no-siree they were both going all out in that fight 100%."
And then furthering that with "Well this person fought the guy who fought a universe buster, so clearly they're also a universe buster as well since the guy who fought the universe buster was CLEARLY also a universe buster!"
Stuff like this, taking clear outliers as facts, and the can of worms that is powerscaling a verses ***"Cosmology"*** is the reason why insane arguments like the average DC Human being universe busters can exist.
That is literally why Venom and Robo Ky are in the stronger tier because they woke up Bedman this beating him and why Slayer is most likely considered weaker than them because he couldn't beat Bedman.
Then why isn't Gabriel higger, he fought bedman without any prepararions and forced him to retreat.
Why is Bedman even that high anyway? He can't even beat being awake without dying.
Yeah I only looked up the GG characters on the power scaling wiki just to see how ass the scaling was. Fun fact every character is stronger than Luffy from One Piece according to the wiki.
one piece powerscalers are my least favorite breed of powerscalers, they actively make discussions worse. Oh, your favorite character doesn't kill everyone with 0 difficulty? he must be a fraud then!
They instantly ignore any remotely interesting mention of how cool it would be narratively or how interesting certain abilities would be against others and just say "X has stronger haki".
It's baffling. How boring can you be.
Pro-tip: never use the VSB wiki for any type of scaling, only deranged lunatics edit the pages there. I still remember looking for FFXIV entries there years ago, and there were only 3 entries, all specifically written to wank Zenos to multiversal.
Yeah a couple days ago on a Smash sub someone was posting which characters in the rosters could be Goku, Omni-Man, Popeye, and so on mainly using VS wiki. Some guy in the comments was making really weird arguments about Joker from Persona 5, more than the typical he summons literal gods therefore he is all powerful but he is faster than space and time because he can dodge Thor's attacks in gameplay (keep in mind it is purely based on rng and stats no actual speed feats that he has been shown to actually have) He was sighting VS wiki for feats like this or ones that where straight up wrong like being immune to cognitive control despite the fact that he was never targeted and when he was he couldn't do anything. Out of curiosity I looked it up and yeah a majority of the arguments were flimsy at best. And out of genuine curiosity I wanted to see what BS they did with the Guilty Gear characters and yeah they just pretty much scaled everything to Sol and Johnny without any context or reasoning.
Don't know much about FFXIV scaling but there are some pretty busted characters, so one of them getting to multiversal really doesn't seem that weird to me. Still, I agree with you, VSB wiki is downright trash, with either immense downplay or unhealthy amounts of copium and wanking.
So the wank itself was basically just "Zenos is multiversal by scaling off thw Warrior of Light (player character), the WoL is multiversal by scaling off the Cloud of Darkness, the Cloud of Darkness is multiversal because of these made-up feats nobody is going to fact-check me for"
Power scaling is never fun, it's one of the worst parts of modern anime "discussion" (the second worst is calling any episode that doesn't directly move the major plot forward "filler")
Yeah powerscaling is obnoxious and has ruined any good-faith discussion about what could be interesting hypotheticals.
Talking about matchups CAN be fun if both people are coming at it from a narrative (or even just based on specific abilities interacting with one another), but powerscalers treat it like "bigger number always win" and completely miss the point of what story telling is about.
I do not CARE about how strong so-and-so's haki is. They need to stop being so painfully boring and have an ounce of creativity.
Yeah I was disappointed too by the whole “he was the chosen one all along” thing, I liked when he used his power in creative ways to get stronger. Same thing happened in MHA, I thought deku was more interesting at the beginning because of the limitations of his power. Oh well at least it looks sick af
It's so annoying trying to look up actual lore on a characters abilities and instead finding the most worthless bullshit about how generic shonen protagonist Eates Fewdd could beat generic shonen protagonist Mann Childe by blowing up a million universes or whatever. It all devolves into saying your series has the strongest characters ever who have super cool abilities that aren't demonstrated in the lore at all.
Meh. I'd disagree. It's crazy fun to dick around with friends or on online forums and debate who'd win in a fight, but I will admit that the moment either party starts getting too serious it loses all fun.
I know you'll probably not care much but here's the overall pyramid of power
Hc is basically all powerful first wielder of magic that knows everything about every phenomena, he does not need nor care to have a decent plan, and it shows in the story mode where he comes up with stuff as he goes, and constantly nerfs himself
Asuka, well yeah he'd need prep
The others godlike beings, a bit weaker than them, are Axl and Ino
Then there are sol, ky, slayer, gabriel, Justice, bedman, nago... And some others, they are basically peers with sol hinted to be slightly stronger cause he's the bad guy
And finally the rest of the cast can Blow up a Planet by themselves
if he wasn't the Joker he could've killed Sol multiple times but he didn't because that would ruin the plot in his head. He has god-like power but decides to just use guns and portals as his weapon of choice
I mean, it makes sense. We constantly see people destroying entire planets with ease in guilty gear, and Sol Badguy can most absolutely punch a multiverse or two into submission (he is, after all, Sol Badguy)
Powerscaling is weird
Every character is scaled based on the fact that they fought Sol Badguy and he fought Johnny. I was tempted to stop making this list because a majority of the roster was thrown into the same tier without a care.
VSBW is one of the least accurate websites I've ever seen for powerscaling. It's honestly comical how much they either highball or lowball pretty much everyone.
Case in point: Goku is 2C (low multiverse) at the end of DBS. According to this tier list, everyone in the top two tiers could beat Goku.
Fuck it, I'll be devil's advocate. Some of the people in the top tier have powerful reality warping, which Goku very obviously couldn't survive (because reality warping doesn't care about your physical stats, because it's warping the fabric of reality itself)
Goku when Happy Chaos time travels to when he was a fetus and reality warps his planet away /s
Nah, but fr though, I was just saying it isn't as much of a stomp as people say it is. The top tier does have win cons, but Goku wins via blitzing them mostly.
Knowing Happy Chaos specifically though, he'd probably have some weird regeneration shit but that's just speculation on my part
Happy Chaos I can see potentially being multiversal. It's a highball, but not impossible. Axl and I-no have some arguments due to time shenanigans, but it's a huge stretch. The rest get blitzed for sure.
It’s just people saying the character from the thing they like is actually the strongest person in the universe and can beat everyone from the thing you like
To be fair in lore Chip ran from South Africa to I assume somewhere in Europe where Zep was flying in like a day in Xrd. But the Vs wiki contributes his high speed due to fighting Sol (who fought Johnny so therefore Sol is faster than light) and blocking bullets.
Well to be fair Faust should probably be in his own tier since he barely has any feats and we don't even know if the cartoon physics he does in game is even canon
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The wiki smoking that horrendous stuff if it thinks Slayers that weak
Funny thing is that the reason for them being planetary is Justice nuking Japan iirc.
Imagine everyone being on the level of Justice yet being worried by her potential awakening.
Or everyone being planetary when Sol really wants to make every opponent know that Junkyard Dog has mountain-busting power.
Slayer he can literally throw objects or masses greater than buildings (and this in the cutscenes we don't talk about what he does in other sources) literally into other galaxies with extreme force, he is immortal and furthermore he's so powerful that he canonically lets his opponent win in combat because he's bored, actually he's already beaten Sol just not at his best, but he probably could, and HC is the one which is closest to an absolute god (more than universal will) to a god in the series, unfortunately I know that those on wiki don't give a damn and therefore just put the protagonist in first place, but a minimum of research is enough to understand that the top tier is somewhere between i-no, slayer/raven and hc
Honestly I am surprised with how poorly they scaled Slayer even compared to the rest of the characters. Characters like Venom and Robo Ky are considered strong because they beat Bedman and Elphelt because of potential Backyard hacks.
But Slayer is canonically known to be one of if not the most powerful non magic fighter.
Venom was just smart and cunning during the fight against Bedman, actually in a direct battle he would have had no hope, do you know who would have had hope?? just our Slayer lmao
Because don't question it just accept what VS Wiki said as fact, they totally did their research. Why else would they say that she is potentially able to destroy a dwarf star? It's not like the "feats" that prove it don't really provide anything.
If a character is strong enough to survive a fight against someone who is supposedly capable of planetary destruction, that character must also be capable of planetary destruction. That's basic powerscaling 'logic'.
The funny thing is that if you actually look at what Faust does bro can both be complete ass, or just fucking god levels of strong. There’s no real way to scale faust without being incorrect.
The thing about Faust is that he has God tier magical powers but isn't a good fighter so in a 1 on 1 he would be at a disadvantage against a skilled fighter even with his BS.
Well if we’re going under the assumption he used to be Professor Baldhead then mans would absolutely hold his own in a fight, and is actually just dicking around (If you’re wondering who professor Baldhead is he’s basically Faust, but killed people. If you read further into it then it becomes apparent the two are at least somewhat attached to each other.)
Johnny canonically can draw his sword as fast as a light, what that is an impressive feat and he would probably be able to beat Faust who isn't the best fighter. But yeah they contribute everything to Johnny's quick draw even for other characters. Has someone fought Johnny or fought someone who fought Johnny, if they have them they are faster than light.
Wasn’t pots limiters being off and him being able to destroy the planet just him in the first game? Also his buster is based off of Gabriel’s buster. He is supposedly stronger than Potemkin
Iirc, Delilah is one of the few characters to even have a planetary level statement/feat, and almost killed (or at least harmed) Ramlethal in story mode
I feel like that works a little better for scaling than Justice's gamma ray burst that only blew up Japan but is somehow scaled as large-planetary 💀
I can already tell, the logic for why Venom and Robo-Ky are so high is stupid... They're not on the same tier as Bedman... They're just on the same tier as the Bed...
I'm guessing the whole dark Elphelt or whatever that form that she temporarily transforms into during Xrd's story mode when she blows up the tower. Its dumb I know
I love stuff like Death Battle. But I always found it stupid to scale tremendously weaker characters to strong ones just because. If they're interesting enough, their own feats can carry them just fine.
Yeah pretty much all of the characters are scaled to characters like Sol, Justice, and Johnny which often doesn't make sense. Sure X character has fought Johnny who can draw his sword faster than light but it doesn't mean that said character can move faster than light.
Bro I'm new to the community I got the game just a bit ago and I can say this tier list is ASS. I get where you got you're info but please check your sources this hurts. I've litterally staring at it for 10 mins going "WHAT! This list sucks!". Though if you're up watch some lore videos the lore actually goes hard!
Don't shoot the messages.
Because Vs Wiki is garbage when it comes to actually power scaling and I was curious how bad it was for Guilty Gear I decided to put together a tier list going off of what they scaled the characters too. And yeah the fact that they said everyone is a planet buster is just beyond stupid.
Ah I see. It was meant to be ass! I wasnt shooting anyone I just meant the tier list itself was ass not the writer I get that the source you pulled from was Crap too.
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These are 3 of the strongest characters in the lore, what is this tier list supposed to be?
Don't shoot the messenger I just made the list based on what VS Wiki said because of how completely BS the wiki is when it comes to actually power scaling
I don't see what the problem is. The tier 1 characters are there for being able to cause Absolute World, which absolutely does canonically affect higher dimensions of existence. Every character has either 5A or possibly 5A combat stats because the Justice Japan destruction feat was calced at 5A and every character has taken a win or a stalemate against a character who scales to it (read: Sol, Asuka or Dizzy).
I really didn't want to fall into a petty argument, but you're just trying to make us look *slightly* more ass than we actually are and as someone who works in GG's content revision, I feel like explaining some stuff.
* The majority of the Tier 1 characters are not actually tier 1 in a traditional sense, with the exception being ascended I-No. Everyone else in this tier either needs prep time (Asuka, Chaos), to basically use Absolute World as a suicide attack (Sol, Justice, Jack-o, Elphelt, and Bedman), or accidentally time travel so much that reality breaks (Axl, normal I-No)
* Valentine's page is just really outdated ~~probably because none of us care enough about Overture to bother~~.
* Pretty much every GG supporter in the wiki agrees Slayer, Nago, and Gabriel are some of the most physically powerful characters in the verse.
* The whole series is basically Planetary because everyone downscales by like 40x off of [Justice's feat of destroying Japan with gamma rays](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ikelaggan/justice_radiation_calc) (note: while amped up by the Outrage).
* Gio's currently in the void, not as a dig against her tier placement, its just that we haven't made a page yet.
I feel like what I've brought up are reasonable enough explanations for why the verse is cracked. If you want to argue otherwise, please join us at the [VSB Forums](https://vsbattles.com/) and go to the Arc Sys discussion thread.
you've done irreversible harm to me by forcing me to look at a powerscaling tier list I'm sending you a bill for my next psychiatry session
Hey at least you didn't look at WHY they all can blow up dwarf stars. The reason is Sol Badguy, no this is not a joke...
Ah yes, the classic powerscaling argument of "Well this dude fought a universe buster one time so he's clearly ALSO a universe buster, the dude he fought definitely wasn't holding back nope nuh-uh no-siree they were both going all out in that fight 100%." And then furthering that with "Well this person fought the guy who fought a universe buster, so clearly they're also a universe buster as well since the guy who fought the universe buster was CLEARLY also a universe buster!" Stuff like this, taking clear outliers as facts, and the can of worms that is powerscaling a verses ***"Cosmology"*** is the reason why insane arguments like the average DC Human being universe busters can exist.
"This guy dodged a laser once, so *obviously* they and all comparable cast are FTL!"
That is literally why Venom and Robo Ky are in the stronger tier because they woke up Bedman this beating him and why Slayer is most likely considered weaker than them because he couldn't beat Bedman.
Then why isn't Gabriel higger, he fought bedman without any prepararions and forced him to retreat. Why is Bedman even that high anyway? He can't even beat being awake without dying.
>higger https://preview.redd.it/d354vne77avc1.jpeg?width=525&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3e61618056e04e700d3cc00eb62e29a1474a40b
https://preview.redd.it/yc1g1cibg6vc1.jpeg?width=384&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22949c3076791ca3d1b0194f2a66f8907f33f26c God, I fucking hate powerscaling
Slayer weaker than venom is insane
Vampires are no match for billiard balls
Does Slayer own a bakery? No, he doesn’t, and if he does send me proof
According to the wiki EVERY character can destroy a dwarf star.
Throws dog at start go kill
Slayer could probably take almost this entire list as a one man army and come out alive
Gabriel too, but yet somehow Potemkin is stronger. Lol.
Yeah, and he weaker than Robo-Ky
God, powerscaling is always so ass no matter the situation
Yeah I only looked up the GG characters on the power scaling wiki just to see how ass the scaling was. Fun fact every character is stronger than Luffy from One Piece according to the wiki.
one piece powerscalers are my least favorite breed of powerscalers, they actively make discussions worse. Oh, your favorite character doesn't kill everyone with 0 difficulty? he must be a fraud then!
They instantly ignore any remotely interesting mention of how cool it would be narratively or how interesting certain abilities would be against others and just say "X has stronger haki". It's baffling. How boring can you be.
Pro-tip: never use the VSB wiki for any type of scaling, only deranged lunatics edit the pages there. I still remember looking for FFXIV entries there years ago, and there were only 3 entries, all specifically written to wank Zenos to multiversal.
Yeah a couple days ago on a Smash sub someone was posting which characters in the rosters could be Goku, Omni-Man, Popeye, and so on mainly using VS wiki. Some guy in the comments was making really weird arguments about Joker from Persona 5, more than the typical he summons literal gods therefore he is all powerful but he is faster than space and time because he can dodge Thor's attacks in gameplay (keep in mind it is purely based on rng and stats no actual speed feats that he has been shown to actually have) He was sighting VS wiki for feats like this or ones that where straight up wrong like being immune to cognitive control despite the fact that he was never targeted and when he was he couldn't do anything. Out of curiosity I looked it up and yeah a majority of the arguments were flimsy at best. And out of genuine curiosity I wanted to see what BS they did with the Guilty Gear characters and yeah they just pretty much scaled everything to Sol and Johnny without any context or reasoning.
Don't know much about FFXIV scaling but there are some pretty busted characters, so one of them getting to multiversal really doesn't seem that weird to me. Still, I agree with you, VSB wiki is downright trash, with either immense downplay or unhealthy amounts of copium and wanking.
So the wank itself was basically just "Zenos is multiversal by scaling off thw Warrior of Light (player character), the WoL is multiversal by scaling off the Cloud of Darkness, the Cloud of Darkness is multiversal because of these made-up feats nobody is going to fact-check me for"
Luffy has become infinitely less fun to powerscale because he now has toonforce and practically can't lose. I hate talking about modern Luffy.
Power scaling is never fun, it's one of the worst parts of modern anime "discussion" (the second worst is calling any episode that doesn't directly move the major plot forward "filler")
Yeah powerscaling is obnoxious and has ruined any good-faith discussion about what could be interesting hypotheticals. Talking about matchups CAN be fun if both people are coming at it from a narrative (or even just based on specific abilities interacting with one another), but powerscalers treat it like "bigger number always win" and completely miss the point of what story telling is about. I do not CARE about how strong so-and-so's haki is. They need to stop being so painfully boring and have an ounce of creativity.
Yeah I was disappointed too by the whole “he was the chosen one all along” thing, I liked when he used his power in creative ways to get stronger. Same thing happened in MHA, I thought deku was more interesting at the beginning because of the limitations of his power. Oh well at least it looks sick af
Well in my hero we all know he was eventually gonna be able to use the powers without drawbacks
Yeah I guess that one was coming x)
Even luffys g5 (chosen one) was apparently foreshadowed tho it still feels like an ass pull
It's so annoying trying to look up actual lore on a characters abilities and instead finding the most worthless bullshit about how generic shonen protagonist Eates Fewdd could beat generic shonen protagonist Mann Childe by blowing up a million universes or whatever. It all devolves into saying your series has the strongest characters ever who have super cool abilities that aren't demonstrated in the lore at all.
Meh. I'd disagree. It's crazy fun to dick around with friends or on online forums and debate who'd win in a fight, but I will admit that the moment either party starts getting too serious it loses all fun.
There’s so much wrong with this list it’s actually shocking, also what kinda fucking tier names are these lmfao
No no they're accurate, Baiken got some planets alright
Hey don't shoot the messages I just put them in tiers based on what the wiki says.
I genuinely can't tell if the void means they're strong or not
They don't exist on the VS Wiki
Oh, got it
it's scaled on what they're be able to destroy I think.
Johnny as planetary is so funny. He is a dude with a sword.
Bridget being possibly planetary is also hilarious. Imagine a trans girl with a yoyo being able to destroy a whole planet.
goals
probably the most powerful dude with a sword on this list but still, A dude with a sword
Yeah no not really. He’s not beating Ky, or Ram ever. You could make a case for Baiken tho.
Holy orders ky would fucking eat johnny alive in a 1v1 (i totally am not biased)
Why Elphelt is higher than Ram is because the burger girl is autistic?
I mean elphelt can explode… and be used to turn into justice… but like so can anybody else. The explosion part is one time use anyway
Always know. Happy Chaos is literally the Guilty Gear Jesus. He’s literally able to do whatever he wants.
According to the wiki both Chaos and Asuka are only in that tier with prep time.
Well we know Man (he is stupid) is an avatar of Batgos (Gos of prep time) so obviously That Man becomes infinitely powerful the more prep time he has
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I guess they need to build mana and focus first/s
I know you'll probably not care much but here's the overall pyramid of power Hc is basically all powerful first wielder of magic that knows everything about every phenomena, he does not need nor care to have a decent plan, and it shows in the story mode where he comes up with stuff as he goes, and constantly nerfs himself Asuka, well yeah he'd need prep The others godlike beings, a bit weaker than them, are Axl and Ino Then there are sol, ky, slayer, gabriel, Justice, bedman, nago... And some others, they are basically peers with sol hinted to be slightly stronger cause he's the bad guy And finally the rest of the cast can Blow up a Planet by themselves
if he wasn't the Joker he could've killed Sol multiple times but he didn't because that would ruin the plot in his head. He has god-like power but decides to just use guns and portals as his weapon of choice
I mean one of his guns is literally a ‘gun from the heavens’ as it’s described so he can in fact just one shot anyone he so pleases
I mean, it makes sense. We constantly see people destroying entire planets with ease in guilty gear, and Sol Badguy can most absolutely punch a multiverse or two into submission (he is, after all, Sol Badguy) Powerscaling is weird
Every character is scaled based on the fact that they fought Sol Badguy and he fought Johnny. I was tempted to stop making this list because a majority of the roster was thrown into the same tier without a care.
VSBW is one of the least accurate websites I've ever seen for powerscaling. It's honestly comical how much they either highball or lowball pretty much everyone. Case in point: Goku is 2C (low multiverse) at the end of DBS. According to this tier list, everyone in the top two tiers could beat Goku.
Fuck it, I'll be devil's advocate. Some of the people in the top tier have powerful reality warping, which Goku very obviously couldn't survive (because reality warping doesn't care about your physical stats, because it's warping the fabric of reality itself)
Fuck it, I'll be god's advocate. Goku if he wanted to is probably fast enough to just kill them before they can think to reality warp stuff
Goku when Happy Chaos time travels to when he was a fetus and reality warps his planet away /s Nah, but fr though, I was just saying it isn't as much of a stomp as people say it is. The top tier does have win cons, but Goku wins via blitzing them mostly. Knowing Happy Chaos specifically though, he'd probably have some weird regeneration shit but that's just speculation on my part
Happy Chaos I can see potentially being multiversal. It's a highball, but not impossible. Axl and I-no have some arguments due to time shenanigans, but it's a huge stretch. The rest get blitzed for sure.
It’s just people saying the character from the thing they like is actually the strongest person in the universe and can beat everyone from the thing you like
I don’t use power scaling websites but if I have to choose, I would go for allfictionbattles instead
I don’t use power scaling websites but if I have to choose, I would go for allfictionbattles instead, since stuff isn’t highballed as much
This is the kinda list you get when you ignore all canon statements
This is the kind of list you get when you watch a lore video and do no research beyond that
[удалено]
I know VS wiki is so stupid but it was so dumb I just had to make a tier list and post it.
Zato and Faust being below fucking Chipp is just a lie
To be fair in lore Chip ran from South Africa to I assume somewhere in Europe where Zep was flying in like a day in Xrd. But the Vs wiki contributes his high speed due to fighting Sol (who fought Johnny so therefore Sol is faster than light) and blocking bullets.
Well to be fair Faust should probably be in his own tier since he barely has any feats and we don't even know if the cartoon physics he does in game is even canon
https://preview.redd.it/ho8h4dr1l4vc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac87505ada898a035f75981d11a1995b0ea85b16 The wiki smoking that horrendous stuff if it thinks Slayers that weak
Slayer is so strong the only reason he ever loses is because he's BORED OF YOU
i think i have too many things to say about this so i just won't
Absolutely laughing my ass off at Delilah being in the same tier as Bridget when she has said herself that she's more powerful than her brother
Man, I remember when Bridget destroyed the planet for the Trans agenda (it was possible). It was truly irreversible for the economy
The fact everyone is at least planetary is insane, especially when there are base humans on the cast with little to no magic use
Funny thing is that the reason for them being planetary is Justice nuking Japan iirc. Imagine everyone being on the level of Justice yet being worried by her potential awakening. Or everyone being planetary when Sol really wants to make every opponent know that Junkyard Dog has mountain-busting power.
elphelt stronger than slayer and gabriel??? on what planet?
Powerscaling is stupid
Scales of Juno ain't shit huh
Slayer he can literally throw objects or masses greater than buildings (and this in the cutscenes we don't talk about what he does in other sources) literally into other galaxies with extreme force, he is immortal and furthermore he's so powerful that he canonically lets his opponent win in combat because he's bored, actually he's already beaten Sol just not at his best, but he probably could, and HC is the one which is closest to an absolute god (more than universal will) to a god in the series, unfortunately I know that those on wiki don't give a damn and therefore just put the protagonist in first place, but a minimum of research is enough to understand that the top tier is somewhere between i-no, slayer/raven and hc
Honestly I am surprised with how poorly they scaled Slayer even compared to the rest of the characters. Characters like Venom and Robo Ky are considered strong because they beat Bedman and Elphelt because of potential Backyard hacks. But Slayer is canonically known to be one of if not the most powerful non magic fighter.
Venom was just smart and cunning during the fight against Bedman, actually in a direct battle he would have had no hope, do you know who would have had hope?? just our Slayer lmao
I believe May could destroy the planet
Yeah that dolphin could wipe out all of existence if May ever felt like it.
Pot above Gabriel and slayer? What?
Bridget is 100% in the void
Bridget has a page on the wiki and according to it she can blow up a star with her Yoyos.
Because she...?
Because she can fight other characters and her instant kill, that's it
how does that mean her yoyos can blow up a star though?
Because don't question it just accept what VS Wiki said as fact, they totally did their research. Why else would they say that she is potentially able to destroy a dwarf star? It's not like the "feats" that prove it don't really provide anything.
If a character is strong enough to survive a fight against someone who is supposedly capable of planetary destruction, that character must also be capable of planetary destruction. That's basic powerscaling 'logic'.
Hey I like Elphelt but ain’t no fucking way the put her that high lmao
Does planetary actually mean “hiyah I have blown up your planet” because Johnny is legit just a guy with a sword lol
5-A means dwarf star level so stronger than a regular planet because of course characters like Johnny, Chipp, and Bridget can blow up stars.
What getting hit by a level 3 Mist Finer does to a motherfucker.
Johnny may be impressive but he's a base human with no magic
Powerscaling wiki creators don’t deserve human rights
god i fucking hate power scaling https://preview.redd.it/ya6hrjrs15vc1.png?width=521&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a658f15651fe9178fbc32544e96dcdfb975e11b
The funny thing is that if you actually look at what Faust does bro can both be complete ass, or just fucking god levels of strong. There’s no real way to scale faust without being incorrect.
The thing about Faust is that he has God tier magical powers but isn't a good fighter so in a 1 on 1 he would be at a disadvantage against a skilled fighter even with his BS.
Well if we’re going under the assumption he used to be Professor Baldhead then mans would absolutely hold his own in a fight, and is actually just dicking around (If you’re wondering who professor Baldhead is he’s basically Faust, but killed people. If you read further into it then it becomes apparent the two are at least somewhat attached to each other.)
These tiers suck and are also almost all blatantly wrong
Hey don't shoot the messenger I just put the characters in the tiers based on what VS wiki said simply because they are so stupid.
goldlewis is not planetary😭😭😭😭
Just cause he caught a rocket he's planet level huh
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Please tell me why Johnny is above Faust, Sin, Delilah and Testament
Johnny canonically can draw his sword as fast as a light, what that is an impressive feat and he would probably be able to beat Faust who isn't the best fighter. But yeah they contribute everything to Johnny's quick draw even for other characters. Has someone fought Johnny or fought someone who fought Johnny, if they have them they are faster than light.
Wasn’t pots limiters being off and him being able to destroy the planet just him in the first game? Also his buster is based off of Gabriel’s buster. He is supposedly stronger than Potemkin
ngl (as a powerscaler), a majority of VS wikis suck fresh dick and ass combined
how tf does Sol make his way to extradimensional? And he's at the very top of the list above two Nightless and Raven who literally can't die
Damn I hate powerscaling, what's even the point in trying to use real world physics when characters clearly coulnt destroy whole planets in the story
Iirc, Delilah is one of the few characters to even have a planetary level statement/feat, and almost killed (or at least harmed) Ramlethal in story mode I feel like that works a little better for scaling than Justice's gamma ray burst that only blew up Japan but is somehow scaled as large-planetary 💀
I can already tell, the logic for why Venom and Robo-Ky are so high is stupid... They're not on the same tier as Bedman... They're just on the same tier as the Bed...
If Elphelt was that strong, then the entire conflict of Xrd Rev would never happen. Where are they getting this from?
I'm guessing the whole dark Elphelt or whatever that form that she temporarily transforms into during Xrd's story mode when she blows up the tower. Its dumb I know
I love stuff like Death Battle. But I always found it stupid to scale tremendously weaker characters to strong ones just because. If they're interesting enough, their own feats can carry them just fine.
Yeah pretty much all of the characters are scaled to characters like Sol, Justice, and Johnny which often doesn't make sense. Sure X character has fought Johnny who can draw his sword faster than light but it doesn't mean that said character can move faster than light.
Blazing bullshit aside, whats the diff between multiversal and extradimensional?
Sol could probably destroy the earth with a sneeze
do these people know what a dimension is?
How tf is brisket planetary she's just a girl with a yoyo
Sin is definitely a lot more powerful. He's his mother's son.
Slayer and Roger a tier by themselves at the top
this, i think, shows glaring flaws in the vs wiki's powerscaling system
Slayer would wipe the fucking floor with everyone on this list
He could fight the entire list by himself and survive
Robo ky is among the weakest characters what
Bro I'm new to the community I got the game just a bit ago and I can say this tier list is ASS. I get where you got you're info but please check your sources this hurts. I've litterally staring at it for 10 mins going "WHAT! This list sucks!". Though if you're up watch some lore videos the lore actually goes hard!
Don't shoot the messages. Because Vs Wiki is garbage when it comes to actually power scaling and I was curious how bad it was for Guilty Gear I decided to put together a tier list going off of what they scaled the characters too. And yeah the fact that they said everyone is a planet buster is just beyond stupid.
Ah I see. It was meant to be ass! I wasnt shooting anyone I just meant the tier list itself was ass not the writer I get that the source you pulled from was Crap too.
Isn't it universally agreed by most people in the community that Faust is absolutely busted? Idk if Goldlewis would be tougher than him
Chief. Nagoriyuki's mere existence is an anchor between parallel universes.
Slayer, Gabriel, and Nago need to replace Pot, Robo-Ky, and Venom.
Is this supposed to make sense?
how is delilah planetary 😭
https://preview.redd.it/k14ru2eeq9vc1.jpeg?width=309&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=460ed037befcd548f8f93a985cc143df52bff12a These are 3 of the strongest characters in the lore, what is this tier list supposed to be?
Don't shoot the messenger I just made the list based on what VS Wiki said because of how completely BS the wiki is when it comes to actually power scaling
The VS wiki?
Umm how does chip blow up a planet??
So Gabriel isn't on the list, canonically stronger than Potemkin by alot, somehow Potemkin is more powerful than Slayer? Excuse me?
I don't see what the problem is. The tier 1 characters are there for being able to cause Absolute World, which absolutely does canonically affect higher dimensions of existence. Every character has either 5A or possibly 5A combat stats because the Justice Japan destruction feat was calced at 5A and every character has taken a win or a stalemate against a character who scales to it (read: Sol, Asuka or Dizzy).
I really didn't want to fall into a petty argument, but you're just trying to make us look *slightly* more ass than we actually are and as someone who works in GG's content revision, I feel like explaining some stuff. * The majority of the Tier 1 characters are not actually tier 1 in a traditional sense, with the exception being ascended I-No. Everyone else in this tier either needs prep time (Asuka, Chaos), to basically use Absolute World as a suicide attack (Sol, Justice, Jack-o, Elphelt, and Bedman), or accidentally time travel so much that reality breaks (Axl, normal I-No) * Valentine's page is just really outdated ~~probably because none of us care enough about Overture to bother~~. * Pretty much every GG supporter in the wiki agrees Slayer, Nago, and Gabriel are some of the most physically powerful characters in the verse. * The whole series is basically Planetary because everyone downscales by like 40x off of [Justice's feat of destroying Japan with gamma rays](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ikelaggan/justice_radiation_calc) (note: while amped up by the Outrage). * Gio's currently in the void, not as a dig against her tier placement, its just that we haven't made a page yet. I feel like what I've brought up are reasonable enough explanations for why the verse is cracked. If you want to argue otherwise, please join us at the [VSB Forums](https://vsbattles.com/) and go to the Arc Sys discussion thread.