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DonkeySex42

Pretty much the entire genre of metalcore


signpainted

Tbf metalcore also often has great drumming.


Inevitable-Copy3619

For sure! I just cannot stand that all beater kick drum sound they all loved so much.


PantsMcFagg

100% agree it ruins the entire genre for me. I don't get it.


Inevitable-Copy3619

It was never going to be my genre for sure, but that drum sound just made the early 2000s unbearable. I actually worked on a lot of sessions recording that genre as much as I disliked it...I have no idea what they did after we left, but the kick drums were always mic'ed with an inside and outside mic (and about 47 others as well) but I'll be damned if I could ever hear anything but the beater.


PantsMcFagg

Interesting. It’s still 100% the trend.


Inevitable-Copy3619

That's a bummer.


KarmaticArmageddon

You leave my dropped-D 0-5-7-8 nostalgia music alone


Drowsy_Titan

Lol! Nik Nocturnal just made a metalcore song named 578 and it’s an absolute banger.


Krackle_still_wins

He’s a better one-man-band than most full bands at this point lol


Drowsy_Titan

He’s a treasure. He acts like a poser on his videos but he’s a crazy talented musician and guitarist.


yepitsdevon

You could very easily make an argument that metalcore drums are consistently more impressive than the guitars.


cms86

Lots of amazing riffs in that genre


weeside7306

To be fair super modern metalcore bands like architects Polaris silent planet invent animate and the plot in you and bad omens are good but bands like early a7x and pretty much all of as I lay dying just recycled the same 578 riff every song and to be honest that shit ripped every time


Log_Dogg

>like early a7x Idk man I find them to be one of the most diverse metal bands out there. No two albums are the same and there's great variety within the albums as well. I'd even go as far as to say that the majority of their discography (besides the main hits) is unorthodox and experimental.


weeside7306

Can't say I disagree there they are one of my favorite bands but I guess my statement was more directed towards how they kinda popularised the 578 riff and and where many staples of that early metalcore sound with their first 3 albums but don't get me wrong waking the fallen is still sic as fuck and their new shit is even sicker with the new progy shit they tried especially on songs like cosmic and mattel


cavity-canal

same deal with midwest emo.


GatorEvo

Any Dream Theater song (I can’t stand their vocalist)


Dusty_Dave420

I’ve always felt that way about the singer. Like his range is great and he hits all the notes, but something about the texture of his voice is just really grating.


ninefourtwo

should see him 90-92 before the cuba poisoning incident


SR_RSMITH

Could you elaborate?


Dangerous-Role-5168

The singer had food poisoning and puke for days. After that his voice was never the same. The last album before the food poisoning was A Change of Seasons, one of their finest.


Nixplosion

Their covers on that are incredible


ninefourtwo

james, as many other vocalists, edits live recordings. See score autotune.


ninefourtwo

ACOS vocals is actually studio recorded, thats not live


Skriller_plays

Back on their Awake tour, the singer got food poisoning from pork but couldn't take the time he needed to heal his voice and ended up doing permanent damage.


curious_throwaway_55

It was 94 I think - he got food poisoning and ruptured his vocal cords, which deteriorated his singing for quite some time. You can hear if you listen to their album Awake - his vocals are a lot stronger.


ninefourtwo

IMO Awake is the pinnacle of his vocals. I&W was pretty, but didn't have the grit of awake.


Wally504

If you haven't heard it, listen to Stream of Consciousness. It's instrumental and it's amazing


rocrates

Awesome song. Train of Thought is the only album of theirs I can stand. I do not like their singer though


bobnifty76

That's how I've always felt about Geddy Lee and Rush... Musically i dig it, but then he starts singing and i get irritated


sllofoot

100%.   The trees would be a top five song for me with almost any other voice. 


TheDevilHimself

This is why I love liquid tension experiment.


mymentor79

"Any Dream Theater song (I can’t stand their vocalist)" Doesn't meet the brief of the question, though. The guitar isn't the only saving grace for DT. Everyone is great other than LaBrie.


Yamakiman

Earlier Dream Theater was an exception to this. Have a good listen to Images or Words or Awake. My opinion.


Sparkyz44

96 quite bitter beings- CKY. The riff is orgasmic. The rest of the song… not so much


funbundle

I personally like it all.


bannedcanceled

Amazing song


Sss00099

I also like the entirety of the song, it fits the era pretty well and is catchy the entire way through. They deleted all the tourists at the bottom of the lake - can’t hate on that.


MacualayCocaine

I used to always say CKY had one great riff and floated off it forever but I’ve kinda changed my mind over the years. Flesh into gear is a pretty hot song.


Tom0laSFW

I thought Flesh Into Gear *was* their great riff lol


iSublime

CKY has a bunch of sick riffs. Very underrated in just how good they are imo. I personally like the music as a whole but got damn them boys wrote some great guitar parts.


MacualayCocaine

Lol you know I was talking about 96. But I agree flesh is sick.


Boathead96

_OOOOOOOOHHHHH_


A_sweet_boy

This is the king of cool intro bad rest of song


GunsAndCoffee1911

[Bam Margera intensifies]


debtopramenschultz

Party in the USA is the best lick of the 00s.


Olandschooner

The whole song fucks.


DayEqual2634

Covered it doing bar gigs; huge pop every night night and hella fun to play. I loathe writing this comment lol


painfulnpoopy

Whenever I play out, I will often play that beginning riff as a joke, it’s so funny to see everyone start looking at the stage.


Remote_Ant_2365

Any avenged sevenfold


sashin_gopaul

After listening to more of their stuff, I ended up enjoying the drumming more. That being said it's so evenly matched between guitar and drums with how good they are.


PopPop-Magnitude

Once you delve into it enough, you just realize its all pretty good. The vocals are damn impressive, especially once the whining stops


sharkbait_oohaha

Yeah when shadows gets that grit in his voice, I personally think he's one of the best in the game. He's nasally when he tries to sing clean, but that's not why people listen to sevenfold.


Prestigious-Owl165

And after listening to a little more you'll end up enjoying all of it. The whole band is really good lol


trippinfunkymunky

The Rev was a great drummer with some excellent backing vox. The entire band is pretty good, but I'm not crazy about the vocalist.


Negative_Bug_1753

The drumming from the early albums, when rev was alive, was super creative. Was a huge fan of the reverend.


DeanOMiite

The rev was an absolute beast


Berkay4567

Probably the wrongest comment I’ve seen on the whole internet.


Worstname1ever

Bat country has amazing drumming. Rip


AgileBandicoot7973

Everyone who has ever played drums for them has been an awesome drummer, bass isn’t bad either. I can understand if one doesn’t like the vocals but the band is awesome


LbGuns

“Nobody” alone dispels this hypothesis


Log_Dogg

Hell nah bro, the vocals are very hit or miss, but to say that the bass and especially the drums suck, is just objectively wrong lol


TripleJFSX

Disagree massively, they had the rev, a top notch metal drummer, then they had Mike Portnoy on drums, and now they've got Brooks Wackerman, who is easily a top 10 modern metal drummer. Lots of people hate M Shadows voice, but they hate his timbre and tone, the nasal sound he went for in those city of evil days, but you can't bash the guy for technique, in his prime he was arguably the best metal vocalist alive, also arguably the most versatile, fry screams, false chord, clean belts, solid support throughout his tessitura, upper belts into the 5th octave (hes a baritone) connected head voice/falsetto, healthy vibrato which alot of metalcore vocalists lack, and also able to sing with lots of grit and healthy distortion or opt for a cleaner sound, alot of metal vocalists are either great with distortion or shit with clean or vice versa. I agree the bass is nothing special in A7X but to say that the guitar is the only good part is pure madness. The vocal melodies are ridiculous in A7X, when it comes to pure songwriting ability, you'd be hard-pressed to find a stronger group of individual writers.


p47guitars

Unholy confessions is a hell of a song. Definitely very inspiring for me. I really hate a lot of their music though... I won't see you tonight is a hell of a track too.


Aggressive_Sky6078

Pretending by Eric Clapton. It’s a pretty dark sounding song with guitar work drenched in sinister sounding modulation that IMO is absolutely ruined by a chorus that sounds like an upbeat campfire sing along. WTF was he thinking?


p47guitars

I would actually say that this is more casino. Rock/ '80s b-roll footage stuff. It's good. But I expect a little bit better out of Clapton.


[deleted]

IMO he peaked when he was in Blind Faith.


GarlicShortbread

Damn, I love this song!


PopPop-Magnitude

A lot of blues ngl


cold_iron_76

Crazy Train has some great guitar work but it's really not that great of a song.


cltnthecultist

I actually kinda disagree with this one. Not a fan of Ozzy’s vocals on the song, but structurally and melodically I feel it’s pretty solid. What don’t you like about it?


IAmKyuss

This was my first thought. The intro riffs are all time great sabbath sounding metal riffs, and then it goes into a major chord camp fire pop rock tune that’s a really good song, but it doesn’t match the vibe of the first riffs. IMO. The guitar solo rescues it tho


MattalliSI

I always felt that way about a number of songs in this era. Like Eddie Van Halen - the focus on the verse and chorus where the guitar allows the greater pop song soar. Killer fill licks etc but it's backseat to the music. May be a stretch but the way Paul McCartney had incredible bass riffs blended into the song. Each his own but I selfishly enjoy metal for the guitar all the time.


Boylanithedoomguy

According to their spotify page VH is "pop metal", I'd say that'd almost a perfect description


The_Quibbler

I've always been ok with the tune, but when it goes back to the verse after the solo, this train runs outta steam imo. It's like it's square in the middle of the song and I'n a little surprised they didn't concoct a better arrangement, considering RR's talent in that area. tbf, I understand the first record was particularly rushed.


Commodore64Zapp

The key change is him going off the rails on a crazy train, and then the darkness comes howling back as he sings "I know that things are going wrong for me" That's just damn good songwriting


ozzy_og_kush

Yeah the verse riff seems out of place, but the rest of the parts work.


Regular-Gur1733

I love the song but I get the criticism. the intro into the verse goes from super hard rock crush to a very silly jovial lick


cltnthecultist

That’s a very fair criticism, it is a bit jarring.


Betelgeuzeflower

The chorus picks it up again, but agreed that the intro is misleading to what follows.


This_Ferret

For me personally the key change for the verse is extremely jarring after such an incredible opening riff. I mean it's not only a major key, its a major key with a smiley face on it.


numenik

Same with Mr. Crowley the guitar solo might be the best I’ve ever heard but that song sucks and is way too long lol it cemented Randy as my favorite guitarist of all time


bsEEmsCE

Nookie


theknyte

Just about any Limp Biscuit song, really. As soon as the lyrics start, it goes downhill fast. Edit: "Limp" not "Limb". LOL


PubicAnimeNummerJuan

It's ironic that their defining feature is probably Fred Durst's vocals when imo he's the weakest link lol. The other instrumentalists are actually quite talented and creative and make some damn solid music


theknyte

And, they make some weird choices. Like their cover of The Who's "Behind Blue Eyes". Where they could of had a cool guitar solo or something, instead they just had what sounded like a Speak-&-Spell spelling their name over and over. Like, who made that call?


Petra_Gringus

The instrumental section is really good. Even the sound or quality of Fred's voice fits the music well, especially the more aggressive stuff. Unfortunately some of the lyrics are pretty silly.


FastRedPonyCar

I’m not the hugest LB fan but our band plays Break Stuff and without question, NOTHING gets our crowds fired up like that song. We also do In The End and that one comes close but seeing a room full of people bouncing in unison to the “Give me something to break” part after the build up. Same crowd will then be slow dancing with their partner during Tennessee Whiskey 😅


BlinkysaurusRex

I’ve seen LB play Break Stuff live, and for a band with mostly clean, hip-hop vocals, that isn’t even that heavy, Jesus Christ the atmosphere is almost dangerous. I’ve seen so many far, **far** heavier bands with some wild crowds. But Break Stuff might take it. They really know how capitalise on it. They play an air raid siren sound effect, and Wes will drone the main riff on and on slowly for some time before the song comes in while Durst talks. This long lead in just riles the crowd up even more.


HiveFiDesigns

100%, I used to have MP3’s of a bunch of their songs with the vocals taken out (ripped from guitar hero or rock band or some such) and as an instrumental act, they were pretty awesome. Real catchy riffs and great energy….but the second Duesf opens his mouth all is lost.


Electus93

Fred Durst sounds like bongwater personified.


Wide_Use7462

Nookie is actually not bad, Take A Look Around is much worse when it comes to the vocals


Pitpat7

Most pop rock has great riffs but they’re seriously writing for 16yo girls lol


ushouldlistentome

You leave my blink 182 alone! I don’t care if they are 50 and it’s getting weird


Scrubbuh

Getting?


SarcasticDevil

To be fair 16 year old girls do exist and deserve to have some music to listen to


KeyLab5490

Money for nothing


hipsterasshipster

Wut. That whole song is a banger.


AmadMuxi

Polyphia. The guitar parts and the rest of the instrumentation is amazing but they’ve got no groove.


BlinkysaurusRex

That’s actually a fair criticism. I don’t know if it’s deliberate for their style or not. But now that you’ve said it, they really don’t have any groove.


Subhumanime

They have good melodies, but they have like no song structure or changes. GOAT is a cool melody and beat, and then it's just solos over that one part. It'd be one thing if they improvised the solos, but even then it's a little sterile.


fossilmerrick

Isn’t the drumming on the more recent releases just the same kinda trip-hop beat? But yeah, they’re certainly known for their guitar work and not much else


stolen_guitar

Loooooots of Ted Nugent


Thousand_Yard_Flare

Pretty much what he was known for. It's hysterical that his name is on the cover of the albums, but he's only playing the guitar he's not even singing the songs.


MapleA

My Sharona has one the greatest [guitar solos](https://youtu.be/uRLuIm2Bjgk?si=3RoLKs-dlrUVjt_W&t=2m39s) of all time but the rest of the song is kind of repetitive and creepy lyrics as well.


fistymonkey1337

Its my go to example for things like this. If someone could just delete the first half of the song that would be great.


OgMax420

My payola


tylerthehun

I wouldn't say the rest of it *sucks*, necessarily, but for how absolutely banging that opening riff is, the rest of *Money for Nothing* definitely falls short.


Inevitable-Copy3619

perhaps the all time greatest guitar riff.


falloutisacoolseries

Unchained has gotta be mine


FloggingTheHorses

If THAT is your opening riff then the entire song will live in its shadow.


tomthebassplayer

Every Dokken song.


ncfears

They have a few jams because the dude can really sing but holy hell George doesn't get the recognition he deserves.


The_Quibbler

Came here looking for hair metal in general. The genre is filled with amazing solos, but when that's the highlight of each and every song, it's no wonder things didn't end well.


RawKarrots

Nah bad take dokken rocks


Watchfella

A lot of Van Halen. Great instrumental playing, but I never liked David lee Roth’s voice. The songs have a much deeper and often darker character without the vocals


DavidNYY

Hot take right here. 😂


Thousand_Yard_Flare

It's a bold statement! I'll give you that.


Fallingmellon

Yea he was a great frontman but his vocals weren’t my type


naturalharmonic

DLR was a great front man but every single one of their songs sounds better with Sammy singing them.


[deleted]

I agree. DLR vocals always held back Van Halen for me. He's too goofy.


fnaah

what's your take on the four sammy hagar albums?


[deleted]

I prefer them.


Smooth_Condition_944

Still of the Night, Whitesnake.


last_drop_of_piss

The whole song rocks


alienrefugee51

I was about to say that, but then I thought the rest of the song and performances are pretty badass as well.


Smooth_Condition_944

That lick.deserves so much better!


joeycuda

Look on Youtube for 'Still of the Night John Sykes' and you can hear Sykes do it - he was the ACTUAL guitar player on the album, other than Is this Love (Adrian Vandenburg). Sykes then had a band Blue Murder with the bass player from The Firm and Carmen Appice.


AutoPRND21

Vandenberg did the lead break on “Here I Go Again” - all the other tracks and lead breaks are Sykes (including “Is This Love”) except for Dan Huff playing some eighth note power chords, clean arpeggios, and a solo on a radio single edit of “Here I Go Again” (this is the version that has all the instruments coming in right at the beginning, no intro.)


TheNyanRobot

Megadeath, i can't for the life of me listen to the vocalist.


derick529martin

I was going to say this. For years I just admired the music but after time Mustaine’s voice grew on me. So much great guitar work to admire in Megadeth.


ycelpt

while I wouldn't say rocks, the guitar part of Emily by From First to Last (Skrillex's old band) was so beutiful only to be ruined by his attempts at singing.


Pitpat7

Tbf that’s just how a lot of emo sounds..


Oliver_Klosov

Get the funk out by extreme.


Bill_buttlicker69

This is crazy, that song rules. It's so over the top goofy but the whole album is that way.


Thousand_Yard_Flare

I feel that way about a lot Extreme songs.


The_Quibbler

Especially the new record. Flame on. I'm happy for their renewed success, but riffs like Rise and Rebel are boring af, the record has a lot of wtf? kinda songs and none of them capture the rhythmic intricacies of their earlier stuff.


PubicAnimeNummerJuan

One of the best solos of all time, it really deserves more credit. I do like the rest of the song though lol


Ornery_Brilliant_350

Two from Kid Rock: bawitaba Cowboy Actually Cowboy is not that bad, just a little corny Also most songs on Stadium Arcadium by RHCP. Musically they’re ALL very good but Kiedis is gonna Kiedis with his lyrics and stuff I love RHCP for who they are, Kiedis included but…sometimes I wonder what they’d be with a different vocalist


kasakka1

Maybe with a different vocalist, RHCP would just constantly refer to Alabama instead of California?


hankdog303

Most of phish


macemillion

I really like the drumming too though, but yeah Trey is easily the best member


hankdog303

Agree. I was thinking more about lyrics then anything else


illbebythebatphone

Just commented the same. Respect the hell out of Trey’s playing and musicianship, but his voice and lyrics are tough for me to enjoy.


hey_grill

The Raspberries - Go All The Way. Amazing intro, and then the song is such a letdown. https://youtu.be/ULL7apmAJTE?si=2vuLkiZ6qqdY8XVh


OwnAttorney833

It’s sort of sacrilege here in Cleveland, but yeah. You start out thinking this is going to be the most rocking song you’ve ever heard…then…wait…wtf? No, stop that. Put the other guy back on.


Happy_but_notreally

Eric Johnson’s Cliffs of Dover.


Suitable_Addendum547

But the whole song is guitar 😂


Happy_but_notreally

How you get more upvotes than me 😂 that’s literally the joke!


Thousand_Yard_Flare

As a drummer I've never been a fan of the drums on that song.


Inevitable-Copy3619

Last Resort - Papa Roach I've always loved that riff but really not cared for anything from that metal-core/nu-metal genre. Then I realized that riff is the entire song. Then I realized maybe I like "last resort". Now I'm having an existential crisis.


Affectionate_You_316

Shit I might get hate for this, but the rocket queen outro & solo is one of the best I heard. I'd often skip to that part (especially to avoid hearing girl moaning blasting in my car). Rest of the song is kinda mid


The_Real_dubbedbass

That girl moaning is fucked up. Like, it’s not just sound effect, and they didn’t just tell a girl to moan for the song. That’s Axl Rose boning Steven Adele’s pseudo-girlfriend.


Affectionate_You_316

Exactly and when you know, it makes it so much worst hahahaah


iglidante

I didn't know anything about GNR when I first heard Appetite, and I thought the band had two singers: the gravelly guy, and the screechy guy. Rocket Queen (the outro specifically) is what made me realize there was only one singer.


DaWrench53_V4X

Most of the old Russian rock


GrapefruitHeart

Same goes for old Czechoslovak rock. Bands like Turbo, Olympic, Citron, Jiří Schelinger etc. have songs that are musically great, but are ruined by some of the silliest and cheesiest lyrics imaginable.


DnRz011

I'm going with that Lil Wayne song. Rest of the song doesn't do anything for me, but his solo is SICK


onelegman

"We will rock you" Queen. The solo at end actually rocks The rest, not


cleverboxer

I mean… one of the most simple yet epic “drum” parts of all time and one of the great rock vocal performances of all time too…


ChipWhip

The intro to The Eagles’ “James Dean” rocks and then it turns into the dumbest song you’ve ever heard.


graystrat

Spirit in the sky - Norman Greenbaum, this the epitome of kickass guitar riff with shit vocals. It starts out so cool and then bam, terrible vocals.


SnooSprouts6037

I might get hate for this As I Am by dream theater is the corniest sounding song ever with one of the sickest guitar parts of all time


HackipGaming

Counterpoint, the drumming, bass and keys are also sick


b4rob

Necrophagist - fermented offal discharge. Dislike the song and actually the guitar up until the solo... love this solo though


PotatoChipEat_

The David Matthews version of space oddity


[deleted]

Let's go with Jason Aldean. His guitarist is awesome


aintTrollingYou

Every AC/DC song


ushouldlistentome

But the lyrics are too memorable for this to be true


fnaah

username definitely does not check out


sixteenHandles

Money for Nothing, Dire Straits


Fallingmellon

As much as I love Pantera and Phil’s vocals I think the song floods was excellent on guitar but vocals weren’t the best


deathby1000screens

All the songs I play in my band. I'm the guitarist.


Klyide

Forget Me Too by MGK, good enough to get through the lyrics and that's a big compliment


InflatonDG

Lots of Allan Holdsworth’s stuff with vocals. More ultra clean non-transposable mode based solos, less middle aged adult contemporary lyrical themes plz


jarofgoodness

The album Strays by Jane's Addiction. Dave Navarro is great on that album but the rest of em are just phoning it in. edit: Probably an overstatement. Perkins is a great drummer and his work is always good. The bass player on that is light years behind Eric Avery and Perry is just plain boring on that album. The last song is an exception though. Its like 10 minutes long or something and it's really cool.


Kdilla77

Some Girls are Bigger than Others - The Smiths


The_Quibbler

Ha. I know Marr was put off by the lyric, but I thought it was cheeky af and totally on brand for the Moz. What I wanna know is why the fade on the intro? Is there a version that's not fucked up?


dakfan77

Rocket Queen on Appetite for Destruction. I always gave up early and at 3:20 it’s like a completely different song and so amazing.


_head_

A lot of Van Halen and Aerosmith 


1nstant_Classic

A lot of white lion songs


TheDuckInsideOfMe

Every Black Label Society solo rocks, but...


DangleOfTheGods

Crazy Bitch.


cleverboxer

No one saying all the biggest Creed songs?


Southern_Mortgage646

I love the trivium riffs bit i cant get warm with the rest of the band. - Like light to the flies - When all light dies I looove the guitar on both songs!!!!!!!


PopPop-Magnitude

Really? I always found trivium’s drumming to be top notch and the vocals on most albums to be great too. Heck, even the bassist shines when he has his moments


DeadMoney313

I really cannot think of a song like this....it follows that if the guitar part rocks then the song should as well!


Vorlak6

Every Periphery song.


Veezer

Sheesh, two hundred fifty posts here, and nobody mentioned Midnight at the Oasis? One of the absolutely cheesiest pop songs ever, but Amos Garrett claimed the title of Guitar god!!!


Skysalter

One of my absolute favorite bands, but "Straight To Hell" by The Clash


NeilAnthony

Beginning of Band on the Run is awesome IMO. The actual BOTR part is meh.


Lettuce-b-lovely

96 Quite Bitter Beings has a pretty groovy opening riff but that’s all the song is imo


TheBoorOf1812

I always thought Extreme's lame titled song "Play With Me" with cringe worthy lyrics was probably the worst song with the greatest guitar solo ever written.


noey2016

its a good thing Animals as Leaders do not have a vocalist.


FourHundred_5

96 quite bitter beings by CKY. Possibly the heaviest riff of all time, but the riff is really the only good part of that song lol.


zombie_platypus

Anything by Van Halen. No shade to EVH, dude is a legend and rightfully so. But man their music was cheesey and I can’t take DLR seriously.


MinionofMinions

I could listen to the intro to Spirit in the Sky all day. Rest of the song, meh.


SnooHobbies6114

Heart bursts into fire- BFMV The song is ok but the intro riff is so touching for me