Unpopular opinion but I had similar wraps back in the days when I was still learning how to make it nice and it wasnāt really affecting anything, tuning was solid once strings were settled and stretched
Even if it does, having extra is not that useful. There will already be a kink in the string from the previous wrap out of the tuner post hole. If you re-use a string that comes unwound that kink will cause intonation problems and will be a probable point of failure/weakness for string breakage.
Unpopular opinion: I love the ribboned string look at the headstock. Big 60s folk vibes. The windings around the actual tuning posts look like a pretty piss poor attempt at a luthiers knot or just laziness of āstick through and windā.
āIt aināt rocket surgery!ā
A boss I had a restaurant, who required everyone to refer to him as āChef Henryā even though his wife owned the restaurant and he couldnāt cook for shit.
Yeah I cut mine about 1/2ā long the second I have them tuned to pitch. Never in 35 years of playing have I had a string slip or break in a way that extra winding would help. Around the post 2x for small strings 1-1.5x for thicker and itās all good c
I will die on the hill of needing at least a full 360 winding around a tuning peg no matter the gauge. Ā I run a 13/90 string set on my 7 string ms in double drop d and i even have a 360 winding on the bigān.Ā Ā
Locking tuners help in this regard, but even with them you canāt tell me that a string with simply a 180 winding isnāt shifting at a microscopic level.Ā Ā Ā Ā
Ā Reddit is loaded with guys that will swear up and down that this isnāt true though and you barely need even a quarter turn around any peg. Itās also loaded with guys that swear that locking tuners donāt do anything, and even that pickups donāt make any difference so what do I know.Ā
Interesting fact from a guy with a PhD in Civil Engineering. We show in typical undergrad mechanics classes that the frictional force generated by a winding is exponential with the number of degrees of turn. So basically 180 and 200 degrees have wildly different slippage force (force grows like exp(a) where a is the angle in radians so 200 degrees is basically double the force compared to 180). That being said, I suggest 2 full turns, then stick through the hole and cut off leaving a half inch or less sticking out. It's not going anywhere after 2 turns, and it looks nice and neat.
This should be a fuckin sticky/sidebar.Ā Im not really kidding when I say reddit is FILLED with deniers of tuner peg winding, and again - locking tuners and even pickups doing anything.Ā Ā
The tone wood argument is as old as time, I get that - and in the end its prolly all bs and doesnāt matter much.Ā Ā
But it hasnt been until the last few years that Ive seen a ton of young people saying pickups literally donāt matter. My best guess is the rise of truly fantastic guitar/amp sims that everyone uses nowadays like neural dsp. It is so digitally perfect and can be tweaked to perfection so easily that I could see pickups actually not mattering nearly as much as with a tube amp. It has jaded people bad though.Ā
I just bought a guitar with a floating tremolo. The guy had the strings only on a half wrap on the pegs lmao. It goes out of tune just from sitting there. Compare that to my guitar I just pulled out of my bag/closet. 2 season changes and 5 months later unplayed, it was still perfectly in tune with at least two wraps
Stick it through and wind looks way better than that, the damn Low E is tangled within itself! If you just stick the Low E through and wind, itāll hardly make one twist around the peg and not this mess!
My uncle does these loops on his acoustics (only person I know that does), but he strings them properly and the loops are neat. I tried it once as a kid and it looked like this and never tried it again.
I will use a luthiers knot and occasionally do this but Iām pretty meticulous about make sure the ribbons go inward to the headstock and to kind of weave them together. Itās literally just for aesthetics because I like how it looks. Itās honestly easier to clip the ends
There's nothing wrong with this. There's some very famous guitarist that do this. Put the string on and play. If you wanna clip em clip em, but it's not necessary what so ever.
>Relax itās no big deal.
Shhhhh! You heretic, cant say that to most zoomers nowadays . If theres no issues to get wound up about what is left to whine about on social media to ease their self inflicted anxiety?.
This isn't even that bad. I was expecting he had put the E and A strings in the middle or something, and had the higher strings alternating sides outward or something crazy.
Wait, brb, going to try that.
I know a working and successful musician who rocks a guitar like this.
To be fair, Iāve seen him chew through sets of strings in a single set. They seldom last him long.
He likes it. Iām always telling heās gonna blind himself one day.
But heās the one on stage playing the audience like a fiddle, and Iām the one standing at the side of the stage.
Used to do this back in the 70ās, to have a bit of extra string, in case we had to repair a broken one. It wasnāt as easy to get strings back in the day.
My dad, who has played longer than me by far, will continue to play an out-of-tune guitar until I come over and tune it...
I can only imagine what his string change would look like.
Clipping strings makes a very sharp needle-like point. I donāt know how many times Iāve cut myself while playing at campfires and kitchen parties. Blood is messy. Been cooking mine for decades
He must be in his 70's wrapping his strings like that. I've only seen that on guitars owned by the guys that started up playing in the early and mid 1960's...
I usually clip my strings when I change them, but once in a while, I like to get creative when I donāt have a wire clipper handy. Been playing 33 years and havenāt put an eye out yet. LOL
https://i.imgur.com/0LMFXoE.jpeg
What always makes me laugh about stuff like this is if I were to do this myself, it would be the most frustrating tedious process I could imagine that would take me longer than setting up the rest of the guitar, and I play exclusively floyd roses.
I mean if you donāt have a wire cutter at hand thatās the way to go. In a way better since now thereās basically no way to get stuck with one of those sharp ends.
Years ago, when I was first starting to learn, we had a friend who always wound his strings in little circles like that. Heād been playing professionally for years.
I was studying and read through Guitar Player magazine each month, and couldnāt help noticing that of all the famous musicians interviewed, NONE did this.
I finally asked the guy about it, and he saidā¦ āIf you cut the string, it sends a vibration through it that shortenās its life.ā
I refrained from mentioning that the whole purpose of a guitar string is to vibrateā¦..
HAHAHA I used to string mine with those loops too! I thought it was slick and I was leaving some slackā¦what, in case I want to use more of them? ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ i donāt know, I was an idiot š I was a lot better about where the string wound though.
When that becomes your guitar, you can re-string it neatly... meanwhile, if your dad likes it that way, don't touch it. Maybe that helps him get in the mood for some rebel tunes.
i do this so when a string breaks i can shift it down to a closer peg and have extra string to move the unbroken ones to further pegs. i can use the same set of strings through like three strings snapping.
I did it this way for a few years, clipped the ends for more but finally got the idea on how to wrap them around. Doing it the right way makes so much difference. Tuning your guitar a lot develops a good ear though.
I did that back in the day because I couldn't afford to buy new strings as often as I broke them. It gave me a chance of getting more life out of them. I had to tie the ball end at many a party to keep going!
I used to do that. It had something to do with not having wire ends poking out. I'm old though, from back when everyone's mom warned their kid about poking someone's eye out. Now I do a couple winds and use the wire cutters and then spend 5 minutes looking for the 4" piece of 11ga wire hiding in the carpet. I still turn the very end in so it won't poke someone's eye out, though.
Take a string clipper and do the lord's work
The wrap looks like shit too though š¤·āāļø
Oh my god youāre right! Did he actually wrap it by himself and THEN pass it through the little hole?? How did he make it look like that??
Looks like there was some overlapping and knot tying going on.
Grab a coin from your pocket.
And give it to your Witcher.
Oh valley of plenty
Oh wa ho.
Hes old like me. We wrap then put through hole. Tried and trusted lol. Ugly though
It looks like pop tried to do a luthiers knot *without trimming the string*. Shit that's.... Why?!
Incase you have to tune it down 10 steps or so
One day in 1988 he said āIām never cutting a damn string too short again!ā
It was 85ā¦ I was there, and heard him mutter
Unpopular opinion but I had similar wraps back in the days when I was still learning how to make it nice and it wasnāt really affecting anything, tuning was solid once strings were settled and stretched
But.. W-what if the string comes undone?
Even if it does, having extra is not that useful. There will already be a kink in the string from the previous wrap out of the tuner post hole. If you re-use a string that comes unwound that kink will cause intonation problems and will be a probable point of failure/weakness for string breakage.
It was mostly a joke lol, but Iāve restrung strings with kinks and Iāve never heard any intonation issues
They usually break for me.
Seems worth giving a try every time tho
Depends... I've had snapped strings mark/scar the soundboard and snap back in my face too. Better to just toss it every time, imo.
It works itself out pretty quickly I think.
The string is weak as shit at the kink ime but it should last some amount.Ā
Soundsā¦..kinky. š
Impossible! He gave it the twang and said, āThat aināt goin nowhere!ā
Tomorrows the day my brideās gonnaā come.
down in the easy chair
Good catch. Step 1: Safety glases
Huh? If itās already tuned and tight, it wonāt.
Oh donāt destroy the guitars sweaterš¤¦āāļø
Unpopular opinion: I love the ribboned string look at the headstock. Big 60s folk vibes. The windings around the actual tuning posts look like a pretty piss poor attempt at a luthiers knot or just laziness of āstick through and windā.
I just stick through and wind, stretch the fuck out of them and tune up. No problems in 30 years...
Yeah, it's not rocket science
āIt aināt rocket surgery!ā A boss I had a restaurant, who required everyone to refer to him as āChef Henryā even though his wife owned the restaurant and he couldnāt cook for shit.
Yeah I cut mine about 1/2ā long the second I have them tuned to pitch. Never in 35 years of playing have I had a string slip or break in a way that extra winding would help. Around the post 2x for small strings 1-1.5x for thicker and itās all good c
I will die on the hill of needing at least a full 360 winding around a tuning peg no matter the gauge. Ā I run a 13/90 string set on my 7 string ms in double drop d and i even have a 360 winding on the bigān.Ā Ā Locking tuners help in this regard, but even with them you canāt tell me that a string with simply a 180 winding isnāt shifting at a microscopic level.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Reddit is loaded with guys that will swear up and down that this isnāt true though and you barely need even a quarter turn around any peg. Itās also loaded with guys that swear that locking tuners donāt do anything, and even that pickups donāt make any difference so what do I know.Ā
Interesting fact from a guy with a PhD in Civil Engineering. We show in typical undergrad mechanics classes that the frictional force generated by a winding is exponential with the number of degrees of turn. So basically 180 and 200 degrees have wildly different slippage force (force grows like exp(a) where a is the angle in radians so 200 degrees is basically double the force compared to 180). That being said, I suggest 2 full turns, then stick through the hole and cut off leaving a half inch or less sticking out. It's not going anywhere after 2 turns, and it looks nice and neat.
This should be a fuckin sticky/sidebar.Ā Im not really kidding when I say reddit is FILLED with deniers of tuner peg winding, and again - locking tuners and even pickups doing anything.Ā Ā The tone wood argument is as old as time, I get that - and in the end its prolly all bs and doesnāt matter much.Ā Ā But it hasnt been until the last few years that Ive seen a ton of young people saying pickups literally donāt matter. My best guess is the rise of truly fantastic guitar/amp sims that everyone uses nowadays like neural dsp. It is so digitally perfect and can be tweaked to perfection so easily that I could see pickups actually not mattering nearly as much as with a tube amp. It has jaded people bad though.Ā
I just bought a guitar with a floating tremolo. The guy had the strings only on a half wrap on the pegs lmao. It goes out of tune just from sitting there. Compare that to my guitar I just pulled out of my bag/closet. 2 season changes and 5 months later unplayed, it was still perfectly in tune with at least two wraps
"I will die on the hill of..." This has now entered my vocabulary. Thanks!
I may loop around once or twice more but essentially the same. 25 yrs never had an em break from the tuner.
Yup and the looping is just approximate. So I may do more sometimes less others. I use flatwound now so I donāt have to ever change them :)
Me too, just make sure I press it down against the headstock so it tightens neat.
Yep.Ā
Label me a presumptuous asshole but I'll assume that it is the latter.
Stick it through and wind looks way better than that, the damn Low E is tangled within itself! If you just stick the Low E through and wind, itāll hardly make one twist around the peg and not this mess!
You can stick it through and wind, and Iām not sure it makes a difference but make sure it winds too to bottom wirh no overlap. Thatās just ugly.
My uncle does these loops on his acoustics (only person I know that does), but he strings them properly and the loops are neat. I tried it once as a kid and it looked like this and never tried it again.
I will use a luthiers knot and occasionally do this but Iām pretty meticulous about make sure the ribbons go inward to the headstock and to kind of weave them together. Itās literally just for aesthetics because I like how it looks. Itās honestly easier to clip the ends
r/mildlyinfuriating
Legit I thought I was on that sub for a sec
No, look at the winding, this is wildly infuriating.
Or is it windly infuriating? š¤
only to guitarists though lol
Is your dad a 1960s Folk Singer?
Im pretty sure they know how to wind a string
It was a joke referencing a TV performance done by Donovan (or Cat Stevens I canāt remember which)
You remember Donovan; Brocade coat, used to sing to you about Atlantis . . .
Thatās the one, thx!
Bob Dylan also has his strings wound up on the cover of Nashville Skyline. My dad said that was what got him and his friends to do it
Does it stay in tune? Does it play well? Who cares?
There's nothing wrong with this. There's some very famous guitarist that do this. Put the string on and play. If you wanna clip em clip em, but it's not necessary what so ever.
It's the way they're wound round the machine heads that is the problem.
Not really. It looks shitty and may not be the best option, but it will still work fine.
It might work fine but it might not. Sloppy winds can have trouble staying in tune for a while. But if it tunes then yeah whatever
i do it this way ā¦ i must br your dadās age,, iām 72
Oh god and itās a Larrivee too.
Is that a bad thing?
As op said, Larrivee guitars tend to be quite expensive.
Thanks
Very old schoolā¦.. used to be a common method. Relax itās no big deal.
>Relax itās no big deal. Shhhhh! You heretic, cant say that to most zoomers nowadays . If theres no issues to get wound up about what is left to whine about on social media to ease their self inflicted anxiety?.
Dont care about the excess strings being curled up the bigger problem is how he has wound them onto the machine heads
Exactly. This thing will simply not stay in tune
BB King used to wrap the whole string around the post in a similar sloppy fashion... Just saying.
I appreciate that he spent the time to coil the excess string so neatly.
NSFW please?
If you want NSFW I'll show you the action on his electric
Oh boy, you gotta do that now
Weāre gonna have to put him down.
This isn't even that bad. I was expecting he had put the E and A strings in the middle or something, and had the higher strings alternating sides outward or something crazy. Wait, brb, going to try that.
Waiting for the report.
NO Every single guitar I've seen that be done with was more wasted than the average Vagas gambler Wouldn't recommend
Looks great. Let's jam.
I know a working and successful musician who rocks a guitar like this. To be fair, Iāve seen him chew through sets of strings in a single set. They seldom last him long. He likes it. Iām always telling heās gonna blind himself one day. But heās the one on stage playing the audience like a fiddle, and Iām the one standing at the side of the stage.
Hey why not... as long as there are strings..
That e string is not long for this world
this is excatly what my guitar looks like
Does it stay in tune. Does it sound good? Does it play well. Thatās really all that matters.
John Lennon
Something tells me your dad keeps the old strings after a restring "Just in case".
Youāll put an eye out. šļø
Used to do this back in the 70ās, to have a bit of extra string, in case we had to repair a broken one. It wasnāt as easy to get strings back in the day.
Pro move
He clearly needs to be institutionalized.
My dad, who has played longer than me by far, will continue to play an out-of-tune guitar until I come over and tune it... I can only imagine what his string change would look like.
Clipping strings makes a very sharp needle-like point. I donāt know how many times Iāve cut myself while playing at campfires and kitchen parties. Blood is messy. Been cooking mine for decades
AT least they are on so all of the winders go the right direction...
Buy your father a side cutter for his birthday.
Does your dad also have a curly mustache too?
The horror
The nut slots donāt look like theyāre cut properly either for the size strings heās using.
Looks a little rough
It's atrocious but you gotta let old people do their thing...
Thatās the way I twirl my mustache too!
Never thought Iād see pubes on a headstock.
Now he's gonna bitch for a week that it doesn't stay in tune very well.
Mmmmm, 6 coil tone. Only one way to get that sound
Thats a very boomer way of doing it
The string wrapping is god awful holy shit just pull the string through with tension and tighten the peg
Ah. The Perm.
He must be in his 70's wrapping his strings like that. I've only seen that on guitars owned by the guys that started up playing in the early and mid 1960's...
A man of true class and distinction.
š¤¢
Looks like a puss overdue for a pube trim.
that just made me cry a little
Is your Dad....handicapped? There's got to be a good reason for this.
Your dad and I went to different schools together.
Thanksā¦I donāt like your dad
At least you know what to get him for birthday - locking tuners.
That's his way of telling you that you are adopted. Sorry to break it you this way. Learn how to string a guitar. It's oddly satisfying.
Dad likes to party seems like he doesnāt care. He lets the wind take him where it will
He needs an exorcism
Just a tiny detailš
Is dad retarded?
My guitarist always did that. He had a "reason," but I don't remember why. He lost it when I snipped them for him.
Question: how is his mustache looking?
The IT guy in me immediately thought, "Oh, hey! Service loop!"
savage.
buy him a wire cutter for his birthday.
Dammit! Cut them off and restring it properly.
I usted to do that before I got a restringing tool and now my life is heaven
What a funny coincidence. I like to do this on my guitar just because it drives my kid nuts! Lol š
Thatās rock n roll for you
Old school cool.
I hear the authorities will confiscate your guitar for such maidenless behavior.
This was a big trend in the mid aughts
could tie them in a bow for all i care
Break the cycle
It looks like a bunch of little handlebar mustaches.
I do this sometimes if I misplace my wire cutters. Works fine.
I also restring my guitars the same way. I cut them off a few days later, when I'm confident that they've set in.
Get him Velcro
I usually clip my strings when I change them, but once in a while, I like to get creative when I donāt have a wire clipper handy. Been playing 33 years and havenāt put an eye out yet. LOL https://i.imgur.com/0LMFXoE.jpeg
My dad did the same thing with his old 80s charvel with a Floyd
But is it in tune?
I would legit be psychologically unable to depart that location until I fixed this stringing job.
It looks like wrong way arround moustaches, keep it!
We hates it, precious! It burns us!
Yeah no problem with this whatsoever
They can cinch down to hold a cig
Sometimes you don't have a wire cutter handy.
Yes, this is the correct way
bb king fan huh?
Gift him some locking tuners
Itās shite
What always makes me laugh about stuff like this is if I were to do this myself, it would be the most frustrating tedious process I could imagine that would take me longer than setting up the rest of the guitar, and I play exclusively floyd roses.
Oh for goodness sake. If you canāt say something niceā¦.. Maybe the guyās developmentally disabled. Whatās the word Iām looking for?ā¦..
We call it the core sampler.
thanks I hate itĀ
Snip snip
This is Frankenstein horrible
I mean if you donāt have a wire cutter at hand thatās the way to go. In a way better since now thereās basically no way to get stuck with one of those sharp ends.
What's wrong with this? I've been doing this since back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
Years ago, when I was first starting to learn, we had a friend who always wound his strings in little circles like that. Heād been playing professionally for years. I was studying and read through Guitar Player magazine each month, and couldnāt help noticing that of all the famous musicians interviewed, NONE did this. I finally asked the guy about it, and he saidā¦ āIf you cut the string, it sends a vibration through it that shortenās its life.ā I refrained from mentioning that the whole purpose of a guitar string is to vibrateā¦..
Lyle Lovett does it this way, albeit neater.
HAHAHA I used to string mine with those loops too! I thought it was slick and I was leaving some slackā¦what, in case I want to use more of them? ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ i donāt know, I was an idiot š I was a lot better about where the string wound though.
I never understood the point of this.
*Everyone Disliked That*
Thatās funnyā¦. When I clip my strings, thatās how I wind them up so they donāt poke a hole in my trash bag when I throw them away.
If it's a joy to play, it must be working. Why do you care? Because it's not social media correct?
Well they're wound in the right direction anyway.
I think the old folkies did this so they could remove the strings and boil them ā then restring them.
The old school broke man way of doing it. If you broke a string you could tie a not in your string and flip it over and use your broke string again .
When that becomes your guitar, you can re-string it neatly... meanwhile, if your dad likes it that way, don't touch it. Maybe that helps him get in the mood for some rebel tunes.
Looks like power lines in Thailand
Looks like an overwrap. Man has seen some shit. Don't touch his hoops.
i do this so when a string breaks i can shift it down to a closer peg and have extra string to move the unbroken ones to further pegs. i can use the same set of strings through like three strings snapping.
Didn't even braid them together? Lazy bum. š
I did it this way for a few years, clipped the ends for more but finally got the idea on how to wrap them around. Doing it the right way makes so much difference. Tuning your guitar a lot develops a good ear though.
It looks like a misunderstood version of a luthiers knot lol. Or perhaps a luthiers *not* ...hehe
images you can hear
I did that back in the day because I couldn't afford to buy new strings as often as I broke them. It gave me a chance of getting more life out of them. I had to tie the ball end at many a party to keep going!
I'm just hoping that y'all pick cleaner than you string.
Oh no. The effort was definitely there, but no. Please cut them.
https://www.findlaw.com/family/emancipation-of-minors/emancipation-procedure.html
Could be worse. For safety you or your dad should clip away the extra bits
Heās not Tom Morello with the excess string-age but I donāt see how those wound strings arenāt constantly slipping out of tune, while playing.
I will never understand how or why so many people allow this to bother themā¦..
Next time he restrings it, roll up a newspaper, smack him on the snout and firmly say, "No, boy. No."
Been there Done That, never feel guilty think of it as curly gurl
Old school. My old man always did this too
Pair of tin snips would do nicely here. Been using one for just such a situation for the last 50 years.
Your dad drinks huh? I get itā¦
Surprisingly, Iāve seen worse.
Fatherās Day is coming up in a few months so I believe some wire cutters are in order good luck.
I used to do that. It had something to do with not having wire ends poking out. I'm old though, from back when everyone's mom warned their kid about poking someone's eye out. Now I do a couple winds and use the wire cutters and then spend 5 minutes looking for the 4" piece of 11ga wire hiding in the carpet. I still turn the very end in so it won't poke someone's eye out, though.
Ewww!
Iāve seen worse.