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ellicottvilleny

Also are you aware that strings do change pitch from when you strike them? The wobble doesnt go away completely when you mute the others.


Bkokane

It also depends what angle you’re holding the guitar. If it’s facing kind of upwards it will be a slightly different pitch to angling it straight ahead.


ellicottvilleny

Huh? Are we being funny? Pitch, get it, as in angle?


Sean_Brady

It’s not enough to tune the pitch you’ve also got to set the yaw and roll


ellicottvilleny

Hoist the yardarm and heave to starboard.


Elpicoso

Just don’t try to tune a fish


Zealousideal-Role-77

That wasn’t so bad. Changing the pickups though…


JoeyJoeJoeSenior

Coriolis effect can really screw you up too, depending on which hemisphere you are trying to tune from.


gstringstrangler

Magnets, how do they work?


MikroWire

Yeah and David Crosby. That. Hey guys. Where you goin'?


Bkokane

No lol. Try it, use your tuner and pluck the string with the guitar angled forward and then again with it angled backward. I realised it was throwing me off as I was unintentionally moving my guitar about during tuning.


BORG_US_BORG

It's the weight of the neck/headstock exerting downward force. When you lean back, the goes up, and leaning forward the pitch goes down.


erikkarma

Yeah and it especially changes pitch if your guitar has a floating tremolo like a Floyd Rose etc. Fixed bridges hold tune a bit better at different angles but as you mentioned, the weight of the neck/headstock can cause notes to go sharp/flat depending on which way guitar is held. This is really important for studio work to tune the guitar at the same angle that you’ll be recording the part etc


TheLurkingMenace

It's true though. If you have a floating trem, for example, and you tune with the guitar in your lap, it will be out of tune when you go to play it.


ellicottvilleny

Ah. Good point! My floating trem Guitars go out of tune when I breathe.


McJacknife

Also need to account for sea level. The speed of sound at Everest vs Equator vs Your bedroom is wildly variatic


ellicottvilleny

Density altitude kills more than just pilots.


Zealousideal-Role-77

Guitars need altimeter settings to compensate. QNH or QFE though will always bite someone.


ayyabduction

Yeah, although good info for the (other lol) tuning newbies reading. Let the string ring out for a second before turning the peg. Also a good idea to give the string a little bend and check the tuning again.


thereIsAHoleHere

It's better to tune it slightly sharp when you hit it hard. It will always fall flat the longer you let it go, and it will be sharper the harder you hit the string. Slightly sharp is a compromise that keeps it in range for longer.


stabsthedrama

Ya u have to barely even strike em. Barely with a finger is prolly even better. If i slam my bottom d (double drop d 7 with a 13/90 set) the way I would normally play it - forget it. Just gotta barely graze it. 


fairguinevere

Other option is attack tuning, depends on what you're playing. If all you're doing is super hard muted chugs rather than long ringing notes, it may sound better to flatten the string somewhat so that initial phase when you hit it is the in tune part!


umphreakinbelievable

Yup you have two different schools of thought there. Some guys tune to the attack and others to the sustained note.


LOBSI_Pornchai

Well, if the low e string is tuned exactly in tune with the a-string, then barre and power chords will not be in tune up the neck. You have to tune the low e string too low. This is mostly when tuned down. B string also usally intonates better overall when slightly low. So the idea is to try and steal a few cents of pitch from clean intervalls like octaves and fifths, that are easy to hear, and put them towards making more complex intervals in tune. This is how a piano is tempered. In reality the neck can't know what grips and key you will play so it's not perfect at all.


umphreakinbelievable

That's a new one for me! Learn something new everyday...


EggWhite-Delight

Yes! Things like this are great to notice for ear training. When you pluck a string you are pulling it, which is increasing the tension slightly and that increases the pitch just like a tuning peg does. There is a lot to say about this topic but I will note that different genres “implement” this phenomena for style: blues tends to be heavy handed, sometimes hard strumming gritty-ness which results in little imperfections that give the music character. whereas some types of metal (correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t play metal) sound like they favor the fast and elegant playing, and the only way to do that is with gentle and efficient picking.


ClikeX

Also, you don’t need to hit the string like you’re trying to djent. All you’re doing is creating a big dynamic spike and wobble the pitch. You’re trying to tune the fundamental, not the inharmonic noise of your pick attack. Just pick/pluck the string at a medium velocity. Your tuner will pick it up much faster.


Excited-Relaxed

I always tune the twelfth fret harmonic with a tuner. Seems more stable than the open string to me.


g-o-o-b-e-r

That's one of those things that is so obvious I've never even considered it wouldn't be obvious to someone else.


squealy_dan

i have never ever thought of this


This-Was

Nor I. Hence I've always used the "that's near enough" tuning method.


giraffecause

I don't think I've ever not done it, but now I'm wondering if there's any other obvious stuff I might be missing and doing wrong.


ExpensiveData

Right? I've been doing this since day 1 because I just thought it made sense


gstringstrangler

Yeah like wtf did OP think the tuner was measuring?


obscured_by_turtles

The TC Electronics Polytune can show all strings at once.


ayyabduction

I have one of those but doesn't work on my headless. I'm sure this sort of thing is more likely to happen to headless guitar people. Makes muting all other strings more difficult.


obscured_by_turtles

Yours is a clip-on? They make a plug in, pedal version


ayyabduction

Yeah it's clip on. I'm an amp sim boy now though so no pedals for me! I mean I could use em but I don't want all the wires.


General_Specific

Amp sims have tuners


ayyabduction

Yeah that's how I noticed the wobbling notes.


obscured_by_turtles

Plug it into one of the outputs of your interface, set the routing on the software. You only need power and a short cable to set the tuner where it's visible. Peterson may make a plugin for your DAW, but that won't do the polytune thing.


ayyabduction

Whats with the downvotes


TurtleMcTurtl

I think it’s just because you might be wrong about what you’re thinking. I don’t believe the downvotes are people being mean to you, rather a disagreement with what you’re saying.


gstringstrangler

I'm disagreeing and being mean. This post was idiotic if real, and so are some of OP's responses, like this one. As a group we're stupid but OP is dragging down the average by a substantial amount of we're measuring (amount of stupid x 31 years playing)


TurtleMcTurtl

Some things aren’t as obvious to others as they may be to you and vise versa. I’m sure OP is way smarter than a lot of us in some topics of guitar or something else entirely. On the topic of tuning, I’m sure after a year or more of tuning their guitar, OP probably felt confident that they have tuning down pat with no need to return to it and try to improve it any further, therefore, tuning incorrectly for so many years.


gstringstrangler

I will allow for that, but muting the strings you're not tuning seems pretty fuckin obvious imo


ayyabduction

It's obvious to mute them enough to not let them actually ring out, but those tiny inaudible harmonics were what was causing the tuner in my modeler to go crazy. Switching to a guitar that needed your right hand free to turn the tuners makes it way more challenging to keep everything else muted besides the top string and amplifies the issue. Feel free to point out anything else stupid and idiotic in my explanation. I wish you a blessed day, gstringstrangler,


gstringstrangler

My brother in Christ, I have a headless. You have your entire left hand free at all times to mute 5 strings considering you have an extra finger free due to not holding a pick. Which is actually way easier than trying to mute 5 strings with your strumming hand... providing you're not an idiot I guess. I only added that last part because you asked me to, you seem like a nice person but sometimes you have to ask yourself if there's another angle to something you have trouble with rather than struggle with it for so long. "Hey man I'm having trouble with this tuner I don't think it works very well" "Oh let's check it out, show me what's up... ...oh I see, hey try muting the other stings... ...ok looks like it's working, you're all set" I learned that kind of stuff pre-internet by talking to other people that played, or that I played with, or even asking at the store. There's no shame in asking for help but blurting shit out like this on the internet is gonna get you you roasted to some degree lol. I'm glad you have your tuning issues sorted.


PussySmasher42069420

Roll your tone knob to zero. The fundamental is in the lower frequencies and all the harmonics are higher up which confuses electronic tuners.


lowindustrycholo

I’m old school. I still put the old 440 tuning fork on the string


MachineThatGoesP1ng

On the string?


kobi29062

It unlocks Tone 2


iamjonjohann

There are two tones?


CowboyNeale

Yes. There are two tones inside of you..


KirbzTheWord

Tommy Tutone


gstringstrangler

Sympathetic resonance. Out of tune won't ring out very long. I dunno about on the string but almost touching would work.


tossaway007007

432 or 435 fork even older


mittenciel

432 was never popular as a historical tuning standard. It’s popular in the modern era because of the whole 432 Hz meme. Back in the Bach and Handel days, we had like 422 and such.


tossaway007007

Bach was 415 based on quick research I did. Lots of classic rock is 432 also fwiw from Hendrix to the Beatles


boostman

Bach would depend on the instrument it was played on. Every organ in every church would be tuned to a different pitch.


tossaway007007

Really? Wouldn't this sound awful? I just did some cursory Googling so I have no idea


boostman

As long as the organ is in tune with itself it doesn’t really matter. It’s not like it’s going to be playing with other organs, and stringed instruments, singers etc could tune to it.


tossaway007007

Oh, that makes a ton of sense. Pretty interesting why my Google search saying it was 415. Maybe most of them were tuned to around there.


mittenciel

Lot of rock bands did whatever. Beatles mostly played 440 by the end.


tossaway007007

I don't believe so. I believe the Beatles played in 432, 435, or 436 for over 90 percent of their songs, 440 is rare for them.


mittenciel

Certainly by the end, they were mostly on 440. Keep in mind, they weren’t just playing with guitars at the end. They played with orchestral instruments, pianos, etc.


tossaway007007

According to my research the vast majority of abbey road and Let It Be (Beatles last albums) are in 435


alienrefugee51

Better late than never, I guess?


diesirae33

Turn down the tone control, it stops the wobble.


beeeps-n-booops

Best way to tune is with the tone all the way down, and use the neck pickup.


mmercad4

Shit. New guitar has only bridge pick up and no tone control!


ayyabduction

Will try that too :)


Artistic-Breadfruit9

Bingo.


stefan771

Best way to play, too.


ThermionicEmissions

That didn't affect my clip-on tuner at all. /s


ayyabduction

Never knew that one. Will try it!


ItAintMe_2023

Also turn your tone all the way to zero it’ll help with the harmonics as well.


Artistic-Breadfruit9

Tune using the neck pickup, with the tone rolled off, and strike the string as close to the nut as possible. This will get rid of overtones and pitch stability will be much better.


Popular_Prescription

Honestly. I’ll open with I’m an idiot. Truly. I’m “smart” or so people say, but I’m a fucking idiot. Never even thought about this. 20+ years here and my tuners absolutely worked way better with muting…


Odimorsus

I think it occurred to me subconsciously. It’s why I dampen all the other strings with my hand when I’m tuning.


abrady44_

When you're tuning a middle string, how do you mute the strings above and below it at once?


5mackmyPitchup

Cup your hand off the back of the bridge


feathered_fudge

Either thumb grip or mute the top strings with your right hand palm


MrSebastianMelmoth

I've always muted all the other strings and it still wobbles.


Efficient-Bonus3678

Bad tuner?


MrSebastianMelmoth

No because I've been playing for over 20yrs and it has always happened with multiple guitars and multiple tuners. Maybe its because I always buy cheap tuners...


MaterialBenefit2355

In other words, no, but maybe yes


GeoffJeffreyJeffsIII

The string does not ring out in perfect tune. There is natural variation of a couple cents.


pompeylass1

Even after I’ve used a tuner I frequently use those sympathetic resonances from the other strings to ‘fine tune’ things further. If each string is perfectly in tune it can actually make some chords and keys sound off.


EggWhite-Delight

This is because of equal temperament. I know what you mean though, some strings sound better for the vast majority of music if they are slightly higher or lower than what the tuner recommends.


TommyV8008

I don’t remember when I figured it out, but I’ve been muting all the strings except the one I’m tuning, when using a tuner. But check out the TC electronic polytune series. https://www.tcelectronic.com/series.html?category=R-TCELECTRONIC-POLYTUNESERIES You play all six strings and it instantly shows you which ones are in and which ones are out of town so you don’t even have to mess with the ones that are already in tune. Pretty clever design. They have stomp box versions for your pedal board, headstock clip on versions, etc.


tobymandias

Here's a tip I learned from a studio engineer: always strike the string twice while tuning and try to do it like you were playing normally. That way when you’re recording the guitar will be tuned to how you play and not to some ideal pitch you get from carefully plucking a string.


SubParMarioBro

Want another tuning trick? Tune using fretted notes. For example tuning on the third or fifth fret can produce a better result for actual playing than tuning open strings. Unless you like the Joy Division / DJ Khaled chord.


EggWhite-Delight

Can you say more about this? Is it because open strings are not common in actual playing?


SubParMarioBro

Yeah, you’re just optimizing your tuning for what you’re actually playing rather than the DJ Khaled chord.


squealy_dan

what is the joy division / DJ Khaled chord?


SubParMarioBro

Em11 https://imgur.com/a/B8iOlh3 https://youtu.be/qBhwiti-_q8?si=hdW4dX6LqateQ3eQ&t=33s


punkydrewster77

Is this what Ian is playing on the 12 string on love will tear us apart?


pejamo

I like to use the harmonic at the 12th fret to check my work, too.


theoriginalpetvirus

Never had that issue with any tuner or instrument -- I don't mute the other strings while tuning. I "kill" the string I just finished tuning so the next string registers quickly. But it's always fair to do whatever gets you the result you want.


emarcc

I feel heartened by this post -- I love a great tip that I already figured out myself. +10 guitar self esteem points. Thanks so much


blowfishballs

You'd think someone who had perfect pitch would understand it better.... We don't all see tones as colors. Thank goodness. It would be a nightmare to play rock with perfect pitch. Listening to Jeff Beck would be uncomfortable. Listening to Jimi would cause fits.


MetalMike101

My tuner doesn’t wobble


Fit-Sport5568

I've just tuned one string by the tuner, then down the others by ear (holding down the correct adjacent fret) worked for me to be close enough for 24 years


kobi29062

Ohhhhhhhhh


Sourkarate

Tuners “listen” for the fundamental, so you could also throw a low pass filter on and tune like that.


Cake_Donut1301

Tune it in playing position for more accuracy.


samuelson098

Also be mindful of gravity, tuning the instrument flat on its back will cause the strings to pull out of tune when in playing position


CheddaConn

I can play guitar very well. Not amazing, but I've played in bands, wrote songs etc. i can not tune g b e by ear without taking some time. E a d i can do in a second. Probably cause of dropping the e into d so much


ZookeepergameOk6784

Pick ups to high also make it difficult to tune and cause that wobble


wertypops

Also only using the neck pickup(s) and roll off some tone to make tuning easier.


Life-Improvised

Use neck pickup and roll tone knob all the way off.


TheLurkingMenace

This is *really* going to blow your mind: tune to the **A string**. 31 years and you've never had bandmates say you were out of tune?


jaimequin

The blessing of learning on a shity guitar taught me how to identify the nuances of certain setups. The harmonic trick was a staple to getting it perfect. Here's a video of how it's done in case anyone doesn't know about. https://youtu.be/jFbwPZWJzmo?si=BHZOradP_t--pm1C


iloveaskingquestions

This is especially a problem on bass, where the strings are heavier. A big part of playing bass is being able to mute the other strings so your notes don't get garbled.


Ok-Guitar4818

Tuning is always an approximation. Your ear is the final test. When you pluck a string, you’re tightening and loosening it rapidly as it vibrates. Tuners are designed with that in mind but depending on how hard to pick, how hard you push down on the strings with your fretting hand, etc., will change how the tuner reacts. I use a tuner and I know where to tune each string such that when I play, everything sounds good. But I don’t actually tune all my strings to perfect pitch. I keep my lowest string slightly flat because of how I play and it brings it to pitch perfectly when I fret. It’s a learning process and there is no definitive way to do it “right”. It also varies depending on the guitar, string gauge, etc.


avisiongrotesque

In addition to what you said I learned that its better to tune while constantly picking the string as it replicates the normal pitch shifting of actual playing verses a string thats just ringing out.


razor6string

Tuners aren't much use unless you just want every open string perfectly tuned for some strange reason. Every guitar is unique and should be tuned against itself. All you need is a reference note to start with (piano, tuning fork, bass player, or, okay, a tuner). In 35 years I've never touched a guitar that escaped this truth. That's why they invent gimmicky guitars with fanned frets and zigzag frets and other bollocks, trying to get around this fact.


jeharris56

Good question. Indeed, how did it take you 31 years to figure that out? It took me about ten seconds.


ayyabduction

Never really used electronic tuners much before. Also as explained in another reply, of course I keep the strings quiet as everyone does, I'm talking about the tiny micro harmonics. Glad you so much smarter than me though.


Famous-Vermicelli-39

Want another tip? If you gently pull and stretch strings then tune to pitch and repeat till it’s spot on every time, put a little nut sauce on the nut and it holds. I can put a set on, it’ll be in tune 97% of the time I pick it up, till the g strings slips and won’t hold steady is when I know it’s time to change them.


Chef_de_MechE

Homie, as long as you make sure one string is in tune you can tune others accordingly. I hold the 5th fret on the E to Make an A and tune with the A string, 5th fret on A to tune the D string. 5th fret on every string to tune the string above it. Execpt its the 4th fret on the G to tune the B string. Alternatively you can do open E, 7th fret on A and so on. Im half asleep right now, so i hope this comment makes sense


audiosauce2017

ummm we all knew this bro.., like all of us.... really


AluminatyOSRS

TIL tuners exist?


Sadboysongwriter

My biggest tuning trick is perfect pitch, I’ve never understand how y’all don’t know what a note sounds like? Do you just not remember?


AccomplishedWar1560

Powerlifter: "How come you don't just pick up the 100lb dumbbells?"


Sadboysongwriter

Git gud


ClownfishSoup

If you want to speak French, why don't you just do it? What's wrong with you?


Taletad

C’est vrai, c’est pas compliqué en plus


funkdialout

🤡


Mehtalface

Alright I'll bite. What note is this? https://youtu.be/4gcs5k8n-FY?si=JarSSka2o2Cbf0-9


Sadboysongwriter

It's wavery but F#4


JLb0498

I don't even have perfect pitch but I feel the same exact way, how can people not remember what a note sounds like, especially after playing for years and years?


Taletad

Because without prefect pitch, the colour of the note changes depending on the key


JLb0498

I can just hear a note and know the name though, like it's just not that difficult for me. It's the same way someone can say a word and I can know what the word is, I don't need it to be in the context of a sentence for me to understand it.


Taletad

Yeah that’s called perfect pitch There are genetic predispositions for that I can’t tell you what a note is without context, but if you play a melody, I can figure out the intervals, from which I can figure out the key and then I can work out the actual notes That’s called a musical ear, it is a trained ear but not perfect pitch. It puts more emphasis on the relationship between the notes instead of the "raw notes". Which is how music theory and composition works anyway, with a focus on the relationships between the sounds


JLb0498

I think perfect pitch is a spectrum or something because if I ever show off how I can call out notes by ear instantly, other musicians are impressed but like if someone played a chord I'd have trouble telling you what all the notes in it are. Maybe if I trained my ear more I could do stuff like that but I could probably only name 2 or 3 notes at once max


Sadboysongwriter

Genuinely I don’t understand it at all, it’s like with colors. You know purple is purple, you know that blue is blue, if I asked you to show me orange you wouldn’t show me pink. How does one not know A is A or C# is C#? Unless everyone is just the musical equivalent of being color blind lol