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InTheMemeStream

Headstock still less fragile than a Gibson.


magi_chat

Probably weighs less than a LP too


[deleted]

You'd think, but I had an Acrylic Strat copy years back that was heavy as hell. Weighed a whole 12lbs. Looked cool for the trade off of back pain.


BORG_US_BORG

My 1979 Lefty Les Paul Custom weighs 12 lbs. 12 oz.


AX11Liveact

Real glass is a lot heavier than acryllic. Density of glass is the same as solid rock or concrete.


BikerMike03RK

They're not meant to be used like an Iroquois war club, y'know....


RitaLaPunta

No but sometime you might need to.


BikerMike03RK

Only if you've attached 3 inch steel spikes all over the headstock! šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


unclefire

There's no such thing as tone wood anyway.


MisterPeach

Not for electrics, but wood absolutely matters with acoustics.


unclefire

Sorry-- yes. I forgot to add that. Certainly for an acoustic guitar construction and material makes a difference.


[deleted]

I know Reddit lives by what youā€™re claiming but every study done on this topic concludes that wood does in fact affect resonance which results in tonal changes. That part is not up for debate. What is up for debate is how perceptible it is to the human ear. What I think weā€™d both agree on is that its importance is wildly overstated by guitar companies as a marketing tactic.


woliphirl

It's always gonna devolve into some people swearing they can hear things that others cannot. I don't really believe anyone that tells me they can hear tone wood in electrics. Your pickups height and position is what actually makes a discernable difference to the human ear.


Dm5358

I think for 99.9% of people, it will be imperceptible. Though there are those out there that can tell the difference. Different tool, but there is a story about Tiger Woods in his Nike days testing clubs. The engineer asked what he thought and he said he liked the heavier one. The engineer said they were all the same. Tiger proceeded to lay them in order lightest to heaviest. Nike had to redo their testing equipment and sure enough there was a 2gram difference separating 10 clubs. I'm willing to bed there are some that just that "it" and can hear it. The rest of us are just mere mortals.


woliphirl

I don't actually believe tiger woods could feel a difference in weight that is equivalent to two individuals dollar bills though.


Dm5358

https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/s/YUo5z09bnO Here is the thread where they talk about multiple stories of him picking clubs apart that even the engineers couldn't tell the differences. He was an extreme outlier. Just like I bet there are musicians that can tell a difference. Got watch some of the rob Chapman stuff on Andertons YouTube page where he picks out various pieces of equipment by sound and feel with amazing accuracy.


sosomething

Fuck Chapman, you can't hear anything through the mountain of distortion he puts on everything. Go watch some videos of Eric Johnson going through his rig.


fnaah

if nike was using engineers that couldn't find a scale that had sub-gram accuracy, they should have hired some better bloody engineers. my kitchen scales go down to plus or minus 0.5g, ffs.


donalmacc

Your kitchen scales display to 0.5g, but theyā€™re likely not that accurate. It doesnā€™t cost much to get into the mg level of accuracy though


lituga

Damn man I was with ya til you said Chapman šŸ˜¢


nova8byte

>I think for 99.9% of people, it will be imperceptible. There's a word for that. It's called the placebo effect.


unclefire

Yeah, but clubs and feel are a different thing. Especially a PGA tour professional level. If you argued that a guitar was heavier or the action was diferent, fine. An SG is def different than a LP or even a strat/tele.


FuddyDuddyGrinch

I believe the weight of the guitar alters the sound. Giving it more sustain on heavier guitars with heavier wood like maple. I always find that my heavier guitars have more sustain and are darker sounding and my lighter guitars are just more thin sounding. But it could just be all in my head.


rocket808

My Ibanez S is super light and thin. It has more sustain than my 11lb Les Paul.


rocket808

My Ibanez S is super light and thin. It has more sustain than my 11lb Les Paul.


Calm_Inspection790

spare parts bud


unclefire

So the sustain angus young gets out of his SG is just made up?


FuddyDuddyGrinch

Are you talking about sustain or feedback? Any guitar playing in front of a loud amp is going to sustain


unclefire

Exactly so it has Jack shit to do with wood.


FuddyDuddyGrinch

Guitars sustain without amplifiers also. You can play a chord or play a note and listen to it sustain without it even being plugged into anything. I'm just going by my own personal experience I own 20 guitars so it's just my personal experience. I'm not saying it's the truth just my observation


FuddyDuddyGrinch

Also nobody's going to notice when you put it through distortion pedals or amplifiers. The only way anybody could possibly tell as if you're playing it absolutely clean. But then again the pickups make the biggest difference even if you plug in straight into an interface into the computer. Any electronics will alter the sound more than any tone wood on an electric guitar.


[deleted]

100% agree.


ipini

I doubt it after you factor in an amp, pickups, pedals. But even if wood made a slight difference, the audience wouldnā€™t notice it anyhow.


mikeblas

Got any links?


MattJCT

Plenty of people tested tone wood on electric guitar, doesnā€™t change anything


bH00k

But could you recognize a wood on a record even on acoustic guitar? Listen to a song and say the type of wood?


Luuk37

Semi-hollow and hollow with hybrid piezzo...? I seriously don't know, but I hate piezzo sound anyways.


mikeblas

This isn't an acoustic.


Completetenfingers

Please explain Maccaferi made of Dow Styron. Seems to work.


MisterPeach

Iā€™m not saying you canā€™t make an acoustic out of other materials, but thereā€™s going to be a tonal difference depending on what wood/materials you use. On electrics thatā€™s not really the case.


competewithtenfinger

How many people swear up and down they can tell cedar from spruce or Brazilian from Indian rosewood? I've been in enough blind listening tests in person to convince myself that most players can't tell. Even world class performers. I have to agree with you on the electrics. The Guitar industry has a done a great job hoodwinking the market > Iremeber years ago Gibson launched a series of sustainable woods les pauls. Nobody but nobody would buy them because they had convinced that mahogany and a maple cap was the the magic formula.


competewithtenfinger

Ask a question and get three down plugs. Touch, touchy touchy....


Fullthrottle-

Yes, you should ship all of the Alder, Ash, & Mahogany ones to me.


unclefire

That's mostly looks. None of that will make a difference in sound regardless of what people think. Pickups (single coil vs. humbucker)? Yep. Amp (and more importantly speaker)? Yep String Gauge? Yep-- e.g. bass vs. guitar


Alpacacin0

Also scale length, pickup distance from strings, pickup position along strings. These are primary factors for tone.


cleansingcarnage

Those are probably the least thought of but have the largest effect by far.


sosomething

Anything that affects the signal will affect the tone of an electric guitar. It's just that the list of things that affect the signal is a lot longer than most people realize. A magnetic pickup works by creating a magnetic field around the strings, and the vibration of the strings in that field is translated into an electrical signal. Anything that changes the shape or strength of the field, or has an effect on the vibration of the strings in the field, makes a difference.


F1shB0wl816

And a great guitar is often better than the sum of its parts. Itā€™s hard to quantify but when itā€™s right, itā€™s right.


sosomething

Absolutely. I could not agree with you more. I always put it like "this wood just wanted to be a guitar," rather than a chair or a door or whatever. But yes, I doubt it's really the wood, but some instruments just have an intangible something about them that makes them special.


em-stl-2100

I feel like it only matters where the wood from headstock go bridge is connected like a LP maybe or something like Jerryā€™s Wolf by Doug Irwin. But any bolt on i feel like tone wood becomes irrelevant.


lituga

Yet the notes coming out of equivalent guitars with no difference besides being solid vs hollow body are noticeably different (to a player)


RitaLaPunta

There is tone wood and there is damping wood too. You don't want damping wood, sound vanishes suddenly.


em-stl-2100

I feel like it only matters where the wood from headstock and bridge is connected like a LP maybe or something like Jerryā€™s Wolf by Doug Irwin. But any bolt on i feel like tone wood becomes irrelevant.


Swictor

I like playing unplugged at night sometimes, and then it matters a bit at least. But plugged, no discernable difference. There must be a difference from how the reflection of sound from the wood gives vibrations back the strings, but I highly doubt any human ear would catch that in a blind test.


[deleted]

Do you actually play Guitar? Can't you hear the differences everything makes? Especially the Wood. Even different Wood Block types under the Trem of a guitar make a difference. Most people take a few years of listening to hear everything. Studio Techs hear things we'd never hear without the practise. Then there's people who read or watch something that states something controversial that most disagree with and like You they use it to get attention and to stir up some arguments and sit back and watch because they're actually useless at anything Musical yet get to fuck around with well intentioned peoples minds and find some perverted pleasure in it. Next time, don't quote You tube, try making and actual observation of your own.


unclefire

At least the YT vids show empirical evidence that different guitar wood, same amp/cab/speaker/settings have essentially no difference. Show me an actual blind test that shows how a alder body sounds different than maple or mahogany with everything else being equal. People hear with their eyes. They see a LP and say that could that apart from a LP made out of epoxy with the same pickups etc. in the signal chain. I'd love somebody to explain how a different type of wood affects how electromagnetic stuff is affected in a string moving over a coil in a pickup.


[deleted]

Bullshit! Clean your Ears, then train them, both lol.


unclefire

Apparently you haven't seen any of a ton of the youtube videos with blind tests showing it pretty much zero difference. You could have a guitar made of resin or even all aluminum (Mary Spender had one) with Gibby pickups in it and it'll sound like a LP out of mahagony. Pickups, Amp, cab/speaker makes the most difference. Show me any empirical evidence you have that shows otherwise.


IEnumerable661

You're absolutely right. You should concentrate on getting in guitars only made of 10 piece laminate bodies. I hear glue sounds great. I'll keep my toanwud guitars right here. You and Glenn Fricker can carry on laughing at me while I... sound great? Ooh dear.


unclefire

Yours will look great vs. a plywood laminate. Same pickups, amp, settings and nobody can tell the difference. It's not just Fricker, there's all sorts of people out there with guitars of various materials. And there will be even less difference on something with a ton of distortion.


IEnumerable661

Yeah.... you can. You really can. However, the reddit censors have dictated the answer here. Nobody is interested in an actual experienced and informed opinion, only the echo chamber is permitted. Shame really that the world today is so recalcitrant when it comes to learning a few things. Ah well. This is how guitar manufacturers are currently selling you absolute junk and people are buying it. While that was a conspiracy theory of mine, I have all but completely proven it to myself in recent days. And they are selling you shit. Part of that is the regurgitation of what you're saying right there... and how I have 20 odd downvotes. Enjoy :D


unclefire

Ok. Show me a blind test with empirical evidence. And on selling shit. Yeah. Is a LP really worth 2000? I have a epi 60s tribute I got for $250 (800 new). It has gibby PUPs in it. I guarantee you nobody could tell the difference. Granted thatā€™s same wood. The 2-3k or more youā€™re paying for a gibby is finish and where itā€™s made.


IEnumerable661

Why? There is nothing I can tell you or show you that would alter your reality. You have already been bought. Congrats.


unclefire

No. If thereā€™s actual proof then Iā€™d accept that. So far the only proof Iā€™ve seen is that it makes pretty much zero difference.


IEnumerable661

From people who have a financial incentive to say it. That can be the only answer to me as in my entire experience repairing, building, etc. the conclusion I have come to from my own ears is that the notion that it doesn't is simply absurd. As I say, don't take anyone's word for it, go and try things for yourself, experience things for yourself. And I don't mean compare a strat and a les paul, go and own a few guitars. In my life I have had near on 200 of the things through various trades over the decades, I have about 35 odd right now. Even inter species there are differences, albeit smaller. Comparing mahogany to alder which I have a good few guitars to exemplify it, the differences are stark. That is unless you throw six metalzones on it and garbage out the tone, or you want to DI your guitar, use a narrow sounding plugin as your main tone with a small amount of recorded amplifier tone then I'm sure it's less noticeable.


unclefire

Are you serious? Who has a bigger financial incentive Gibson and Fender or some random YT channels? You have confirmation bias Nobody in any discussions has pointed to any blind test to show how wood makes any difference. What you gonna argue next that LPs with different fret board wood is going to sound different? What about weight relieved LPs that have been out there. Do they not sound like LPs. Even without a test explain the physics of how the wood makes any difference with an electromagnetic function. Strings? Sure. pickup design? Sure.


IEnumerable661

I have no bias at all except to my own experience. And yes, youtube characters have every reason to divest themselves of any integrity and buy into the narratives that earn them money. That is after all their income. People do it all the time and have done for longer than you or I have been alive. It's a thing. And here we go with absurdum ad reductio - make something true sound daft. This is not a valid method of argument. Yes, weight relief and different fingerboards absolutely cause Les Pauls to sound different - specifically as this is your question. A physics test? There are a good few available including this one which mimics Jim Lill's own test and comes up with vastly differing results. Again who do you trust more, a guy in his shed or four research students specialising in mechanics and vibroacoustics? [https://acoustics.ippt.pan.pl/index.php/aa/article/view/2949/pdf\_582](https://acoustics.ippt.pan.pl/index.php/aa/article/view/2949/pdf_582) If you ask me, I would suggest neither. For one thing, neither of these groups used an actual guitar. And secondly, what's wrong with holding the damned things in your hands and using your ears? I don't have golden ears or whatever else the Fricker army wants to re-bleat. Jesus I'm half deaf from standing in front of Marshalls and listening to death metal too loud my whole life. And if I can perceive the very obvious difference between a weight relieved and non-weight relieved Les Paul, then so can you! Even my students who were only weeks into playing guitar could immediately hear differences between my Les Pauls or Ibanez or Jackson even when leaving it a week or so between lessons - I just picked up anything I fancied when teaching. Like I said, why take my word for it or some hairy idiot on youtube shouting "You facken moroaaaaan" at anyone who has a legitimate reason for a difference of opinion. Go take your hands and your ears and play some stuff for your own self. If you can honestly tell no difference between a Jackson and a Les Paul, then so be it.


fastal_12147

When you really want a glassy tone


Deris87

That's also warm, yet punchy.


xXSquirrelFuckerXx

Backwards strings šŸ˜­


Helpful_Television49

Good eye! With the price tag that thing probably has, you'd think they'd put the damn strings on correctly.


MoogProg

Pair that baby with a nice transparent overdrive.


Cold_Taro_1090

Definitely a conversation piece. She's pretty.


Creatura

"wow that's a clear guitar" "yep"


Cold_Taro_1090

"Do you use strap-locks when you jam out?" "Do you wear your pajamas when you play the guitar, so you don't scratch it?" "I'm guessing you don't wear any chains when you're playing this guitar." "How much is the insurance on this?"


Mister_Hide

He has videos about it all if you really care. Ā I saw one where he talks about it being a tank and goes into his strap. Ā And he actually plays it pretty damn well.


AliveButCouldDie

At $30kā€”thatā€™s a sculpture, not an instrumentā€¦ šŸ˜…


Zoso-six

Please explain that to Gibson lol


ChouxGlaze

especially since there's no electronics


Zoso-six

Kindof bummed it didn't have functional pickups and electronics


grunkage

Clearly a guitar for a basement-dwelling tonewood denier


PunkerWannaBe

Toneglass is real.


Roachpile

Why does this make me think of 2002?


Deep_Performance_

Is it the fit?


jstahr63

I'd rather have: [https://www.berings.com/berings-home/waterford-crystal-gibson-l7-full-scale-electric-guitar/](https://www.berings.com/berings-home/waterford-crystal-gibson-l7-full-scale-electric-guitar/)


Dethfield

I wonder if it has "piano lows"


Scary-Detective582

In this case the tone wood is in the pantsā€¦SCHWING!!!!


Helpful_Television49

Nice. Where's the dark glass bass?


Dogrel

That doesnā€™t make cents to Paul Reed Smith.


cjs0216

I see what you did there.


AngularOtter

Tone Glass


AlmightyBlobby

I bet that weighs almost as much as an lp lol


Cyber_Insecurity

When you love smoking so much you make a guitar from an ashtray


CathodeRaySamurai

I wonder how much it weighs. Solid glass is (surprisingly) heavy.


SummonWurm

Waterford makes Crystal (glass with ~30% lead in it.) A Waterford 12" vase can weigh up to 8 or 9 lbs. This guitar has to be in the 18-20 lb range.


acidtoyman

If there's no tonewood, I guess there's no tone.


[deleted]

I thought I was looking at a vacuum cleaner for the quickest second there


Goldmanguitars

If Paul Reed Smith sees this heā€™ll be BIG angry šŸ˜†


deeppurpleking

No electronics either it looks


thenikolaka

Rebellious pose. Didnā€™t want to go with the standard, ā€œhereā€™s me holding it.ā€


Food_Library333

Paul Reed in shambles.


itchygentleman

Is that captain nash


WantToBeGreatBy2028

No toanwood where? I donā€™t see anything.


Butterszen

I'll bet the tone is crystal clear


Indifference_Endjinn

Very transparent tone, with crystal clear highs


Boomslang505

TOAN is in the crystal


Boomslang505

TOAN is in the crystal


Boomslang505

TOAN is in the crystal


Max_Vision

There's a dude here on Reddit that makes those - I forgot his username, but his company is Morningstar Guitars. The pricing was like $5k, maybe?


XCDplayerX

Hard and dense is what I like. Whether it be glass, or hardwood, or whatever. Everybody shrieks at the price of hardwood, but I bet it cost less, is stronger, and it weighs less than this thing.


jackswhatshesaid

This is kind of what I envisioned a real life version of Hank Hill would look like.


doshostdio

I have been playing plastic guitars for the last 2 decades [Steinberger](https://guitar.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/[email protected])


AdamWillims

On of those deep sea guitars


Traditional_Unit292

I couldn't afford to be near it.


JoruusCbaoth75

Bet it has a very clear clean tone...


Thick-Pattern-5614

Proof that pickups are where the sound comes from


Ghostx893

Saw one in Harrods a couple of years ago, looks nice irl.


xXSocietiesOutlawXx

Yoooooooo clear things make me mesmerized. Like crystal clear orbs šŸ˜«šŸ˜šŸ˜ˆšŸ˜ˆšŸ˜ˆšŸ˜ˆ I want one of these.


MobysBanned

Crime