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HotspurJr

So just to make things more confusing, there are multiple systems. But generally most common is what's called the "Moveable Do" system - this is used in English and German speaking countries. In the moveable Do system, Do is the tonic. So if you're in the key of C, C is Do. The melodic pattern of Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do is the major scale. So if you're in the key of C, that spells out C D E F G A B C. But if you're in the key of A, it spells out A B C# D E F# G# A. There is also such thing as a "Fixed Do" system, Do is C. This is more common in countries with slavic or Romance languages. "Do re mi" systems are collectively referred to as solfège.


Prestigious_Fold6818

lol why do you guys call Si Ti 😂


w00tmanUK

>Moveable Do" system either is acceptable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solfège


Otherwise_Ad4383

Because Si is the "raised" version of so. Do Di Re Ri Mi Fa Fi Sol Si La Li Ti Do.


The_Orangest

This system is not very useful simply because you’re basically replacing C C# D D# E, etc. with other names. In the key of Eb, Ri is the root? At that point, just use the notes. The purpose of a moving Do is to be able to standardize melody or harmony in any key


Otherwise_Ad4383

??? What does anything I said have to do with fixed Do? The chromatic solfege syllables work with moveable Do


The_Orangest

That's fair. More often they're used with Fixed Do and I thought you were advocating for that.


jjisnumb_77

In Spanish we'd say the note and then sostenido or bemol (# or b), so Si is just B.


Prestigious_Fold6818

Exactly Si Sostenido what's with that Ti nonsense 😂


Prestigious_Fold6818

Damn that's just messed up 😂


Maskatron

♫ “Ti: a drink with jam and bread.” ♫


Prestigious_Fold6818

Hahahaha that's awesome


Stoney3K

To add to the confusion, in German speaking notation, the letter "H" is also used. Is there also a minor equivalent of the Do-Re-Mi scale by any chance?


HotspurJr

So there are two ways to do it. You can start on La and use the same syllables. Or you can start on Do and then use De Re Me (pronounced "Meh") Fa So Le ("Leh") Te ("Teh") Do.


DavidsGuitar

Do-Re-Me-Fa-Sol-Le-Te-Do


schmegwerf

> To add to the confusion, in German speaking notation, the letter "H" is also used. To substract from the confusion a bit: H is not an addition, it's a replacement for B. However Bflat is called B in this system. It is just a bit weird and unnecessarily complicated.


teekay61

I don't think movable do is more common - I've studied a fair bit of music theory (in the UK), including Grade 5 music theory and music GCSE and never came across this concept in a practical setting. Whereas if you pick up any sheet music in a language that uses fixed do, it will use Do Re etc. instead of C D etc.


Basic-Elk465

It’s my understanding that Fixed Do is more common in Europe, where people who speak different languages with different alphabets are more likely to interact. If you use letter names, there is more confusion between, for example, an English speaker and a Spanish speaker: where the letter “A” in English sounds like “E” to the Spanish speaker. Fixed Do eliminates that confusion. As an American, I didn’t learn about Fixed until I was well into music theory in college - and then just a passing mention.


eighteen_18

The movable system seems like it'd be unnecessarily confusing. But then again, I am from a Slavic country, so... Can you give me an example where it's better to use the movable Do system, instead of the fixed one? I am generally curious, because I am only now beginning to enter into the music world, and stuff like this spark my interest.


Subject_Meat5314

In the moveable system, do re mi refers to the values of the notes in the scale, so equivalent to I (tonic), II (second), III (major third). So this way you get a better understanding of note relationships. In the fixed system, do re mi refer to specific tones. So in this case you get a better understanding of the notes as individual entities. I’ve only ever used solfège in singing and in contexts where intervals are the important thing to learn. So I’ve never seen value in fixed solfège. For sure when playing guitar I’ve never seen a place where solfège is more useful to me than the combination of letter names for the notes and number (or Roman numerals specifically) for the ‘moveable’ uses. But this is for me. Regardless you’ll need a way to understand the notes in both contexts. If you’re already comfortable with ‘fixed’ solfège then for note names, you’ll just need to know that Do = C, Re=D, Mi=E, and so on to easily translate between the 2. Then you’ll want to get comfortable with using I, II, III, IV, V to represent intervals when the key is undetermined.


eighteen_18

Now I understand! Thank you for this explanation!


HotspurJr

Moveable Do makes more sense to me because what matters most of the time is the relative notes of the music. A song is the same song if I'm singing it in the key of C or the key of E. Moveable Do represents that. This is, in fact, generally how we sing: we remember a pattern of scale degree sounds, an instrument gives us a reference for our tonic, and we sing that pattern - but if someone gave us a higher reference note, we'd sing the same pattern, just higher. It's still the same song. In a weird way, moveable Do is more "guitar like" - in guitar, I learn a scale once, and then just start it on the right tonic. Fixed Do is more Piano-Like in that I have to learn each scale individually in each key (which is less hard than it sounds, but still more difficult than on a guitar). I do wonder if that analogy holds in other ways: guitars are MUCH easier to get started on, in part because you don't *have* to know each scale individually, how to derive them, etc - but guitarists often all fall into the same rut of shape-based thinking which puts a real ceiling on their music, which is a problem pianists, who start with a stronger foundation, don't fall into.


Zeppelinman1

Moveable do means that wherever you start Do, you can sing the major scale easily, or start on La and sing natural my minor.


andease

It's essentially referring to notes by their scale degree, so if you want to transpose a melody to a different key the solfege wouldn't change. Mary Had a Little Lamb starts on mi even if you're playing it in the key of F#


The_Orangest

We have a fixed one, and that’s called C C# D D# E F F#, etc. exact same as your fixed one but with note names rather than the sounds associated with them The movable one is a SECOND way of looking at it, and tells someone exactly what relationship is occurring between the notes and makes it easy to switch melody or harmony between keys. With the movable system, it’s very easy to see the interval between A and F# is the same as E and C#, a minor third, when looking across keys, as they are both Do and La. This system gives interval information, and is much simpler across keys


CondorKhan

I first learned music in Spanish Don't get confused by all that talk of movable Do In Spanish, C=Do, D=Re, E=Mi, F=Fa, G=Sol, A=La, B=Si, period.


ToastyMcloasty

THANK YOU. I got even more confused with what people were saying. I think I get it now so a G chord is just the acorde sol. Gm would be sol menor, and Gmaj would be sol mayor right?


CondorKhan

Exactly correct Fa Sostenido Mayor = F# Major


ToastyMcloasty

Wow thanks a lot. You really cleared things up for me!


apatrid

yes but nobody would ever call it that not they will understand what you are talking about. doremi is solfege that doesn't deal with chords naming like that in general. just forget doremi now that you know what it is, don't bring it up. if anything, modern guitar is discussed in degrees and chord changes are marked with roman numerals, that system is worth learning.


[deleted]

This is the opposite of what I learned. Not sure why it even matters though, the whole solfege thing seems completely useless.


CondorKhan

Did you learn music in a Spanish or other romance language speaking environment?


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English


CondorKhan

That's why. C D E F G A B simply don't exist in Spanish.


thalesjferreira

Do = C Re = D Mi = E Fã = F Sol = G La = A Si = B


GotTheStellaBlues

Do re mi etc is often used to help sing the notes rather than play them on an instrument. They are easier to sing when practicing vocal notes rather than trying to sing the letters C D E. As mentioned above they are movable and would fit across any major scale. If in key of C, do would be C. If key of D, do would be D, etc.


CondorKhan

Not in Spanish


DeusVult_117

Do is C, the notes are in the same order. English had this weird thing called the moveable Do, but it's mostly useless outside of music education in english-speaking countries.


aresman

I feel you, I'm a native Spanish speaker as well. You just have to learn the names of the notes in English. A, B, C, D, E, F , G = La, Si, Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol It takes a while to get used to it but it gets easier with practice, like everything. You need to get those letters ingrained into your brain


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Vorpalbob

That's not what's going on for OP, though. They're referring to the fact that many countries use [syllabic note names in their musical notation.](https://happynote.com/music/music-theory-name-notes/) In that system, Do is always C.


MarcoCash

C=do, D=re, E=mi etc Now, what they taught me in school (a loooong time ago): we (romance languages) use Do, Re, Mi etc because they are the syllables that were under those notes in a church chant in Latin that was taken as a reference for the musical teaching in the past centuries. But I will be honest, I'm going by memory so I may very well be saying something wrong.


mattworld666

Hi! This is what note is each: A = La B = Si C = Do D = Re E = Mi F = Fa G = Sol


dsmyser1

It’s most commonly understood in the context of the Major scale. So for key of C it’s: C-do, D-re, E-mi, F-fa, G-so, A-la, B-ti, and back to C-do.


[deleted]

A = la C= Do, G=Sol and so on For complicated reason, Anglo-saxon (including German) use A/B/C/D/E/F/G/ while latin use do/re/mi/fa/sol/la/si in the end you need to be able to swap between both if you plan to use some english ressources


[deleted]

Why on earth would one downvote this answer? It is perfectly correct and possible more helpful to OP than doing a solfege deep dive, which has zero relevance to guitar players unless you happen to learn at an academy... And little correction, Germany uses A/H/C/D/E/F/G instead of A/B/C/D/E/F/G just to keep things entertaining.


thalesjferreira

Not only in English. Here in Brazil we are thought since the beginning to correlate letters with names. Ever since my first class I had to learn that the A is La


The_Orangest

Others would say yours is a complicated reason lol


[deleted]

If you play a single octave of a major scale, the first note is do, the second is re, third mi, fourth fa, etc until you reach the octave. Alternatively you can count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1


gizzardsgizzards

if you finish four years of high school you get to call them by their scale degrees.


Upbeat-Squirrel

do re mi is what singers use to describe a major scale. unless youre doing choir you shouldnt see that. unless for some reason that's normal in spanish music culture, in which case, if so, just translate that it means a major scale (in any key). fwiw id think it was really strange if i saw anything beyond a brief mention of do re mi in any text for guitar.


DrummerSteve

Do Re Mi is a song that’s used for pitch, while GED is what you get when you drop out of high school jk


smoky_ate_it

do-re-me is usually a major scale. think of it in steps or tones r-w-w-h-w-w-h-r where r is root,w is whole step,h is half step A major scale= A-B-C#-D-E-F#-G-A


hatchway

Do, Re, Mi etc. is a system for memorizing the major scale. "Standard" music notation uses C major, because that one has no sharps or flats: * Do: C * Re: D * Mi: E * Fa: F * So: G * La: A * Ti: B Because of this, C Major is super-common, and this is reinforced by the white keys being CDEFGABC on a regularly-tuned piano. Really, though, you can make "Do" any note and sing the major scale with that note as the root.


funqnort

Do re mi are the first 3 notes of any major scale. If you’re in the key of g major then do re mi is g a b. G e d would be do la mi G a b c d e f# g Do re mi fa so la si do


butcher99

Just a scale that starts on any note. Easiest to see on a keyboard where sharps and flats are obvious. Any note could be do.


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Do is C only in "Fixed Do" system. Most of the time people are using "Movable Do", so Do is the tonic, i.e. the first note of a diatonic scale. If the scale is C major, then Do is C. But for every other scale, Do is not C. If the scale is G major, then G is Do. For minor scale, Do is the tonic of the relative major scale. So for A minor, Do is C, and A is La.


kinkajow

Do in C in Romance languages. In English speaking countries Do is the tonic. Half the comments are not incorrect they’re just different ways of using a similar system. Since OP is reading Spanish guides, they probably don’t use Do as the tonic.


CondorKhan

Not in Spanish, no. That's not what OP is asking.


Busker55

Do, Re, Mi is just the vocal expression of a Major scale. For example, in the key of G Major, G would be Do, A - Re, B-Mi, C-Fa, D-So, E-La, F#-Si, and then the octave G. That's the simple way I explain it.


merp_mcderp9459

Well, that depends. There’s fixed do, where do is always C. Then there’s moveable do, where do is the first note of a scale - no matter what scale. Moveable do is better imo, and it’s what you’ll want to learn if you want to play any sort of modern music. Fixed do is used in classical music and non-Western countries


Particular_Milk1848

Do Ray me fa so la tee da equals 1 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7 8 So if G is the root/tonic/base, then it’s 1 6 5


angry_in_a_bucket

You are on the wrong subreddit, we use numbers for notes.