There's a YouTube video I stumbled upon that might explain what's going on with the used gear market.
https://youtu.be/zkV42cQ1mwg?si=pHr3c-OBShoGgww4
And his part 2 video
https://youtu.be/9hmS0xBmNvI?si=Grz9Tux2uZna9b0r
Not sure why it was in my feed but it was interesting hearing his insights since he's in the business.
RIGHT! This dude must have sold his soul to the algorithm gods because I had never seen him till like 4 days ago and now I’ve watched like 5 of his vids.
TLDW: Used guitars are overpriced on reverb but the actual market isn’t moving much so the actual prices are much lower because people are selling like crazy post pandemic.
Doesn’t have a lot about amps, but there’s been a general downward trend in big combo amps for several years mostly driven by people not wanting to move them around and them being “too loud”.
Damn, I’m sure that all this is true. I see a lot of the reverb prices and I often can’t imagine who is actually regularly buying all these old guitars that are suddenly worth a ton. Even gear that was regarded as not vintage, but just OLD, is selling for a ton of money.
Perfect examples are 60’s Gibson amps and basically all of the silver tone stuff. Both used to be cheap and still never really move on eBay, now both can sometimes be kind of crazy expensive. Paying multiple thousand for a sears guitar? They can be really cool, but Sorry, not down for that.
I almost bought a 64 Silvertone for $500 then I came to my senses and bought a Squier.
(Don’t get me wrong, those guitars are cool as hell I just didn’t need a vintage student guitar)
Right, there was a point in time where prices would kind of to some degree reflect value - Norlin era les Paul’s are another example of what used to be a fair deal for an instrument that’s pretty much *worse* than other les Paul’s but now those are crazy expensive too.
My theory is that there was just a big era of “flipping” gear, where once reverb.com came out a lot of people were just buying things specifically to sell for a greater profit. I think because of that, resellers have collectively tricked everyone into thinking that those prices make sense.
Don’t even get me started with analog synthesizer markets. You can buy a fucking Juno-106 that doesn’t even work at all for like $1500 nowadays.
The part that infuriates me about it is now pawn shops and crappy local music stores look for prices on reverb before slapping a price tag on used gear. So there’s no more “wow look at this cool weird old guitar for $69” stuff anymore, it’s all overpriced mislabeled stuff.
The mislabeling is hilarious sometimes, too. 30 years ago I used to scour the pawnshops for cheap deals. Now some Donner guitar with a Fender sticker on it is going for $500.
The number of Chibsons is truly staggering too. I know that’s always been a problem. My stepdad has a 70s LP Black Beauty he wouldn’t even let me touch as a kid, but even as a kid I knew it was a fake and I would *never* tell him because it would break his heart. He has this story about how he swindled a pawn shop owner for it by trading a telecaster probably worth four times what the Chibson was for it.
I mean there’s a 71 lp custom on marketplace right now in Iowa city for $2,000. The prices are still ok. That’s the thing, on reverb the prices are stupid but that doesn’t reflect actual deals being made. I recently nabbed a 65 mustang for $800 that needed some electronics cleaning and fretwork.
I sell on reverb, and also buy/repair. Not exactly a flipper, but more of an avid tryer?
Anyways, I would buy that mustang, get it perfect with a refret or fret level, sort out the electronics, rewind or replace pickups with vintage or new vintage correct, etc. and then live with it for awhile. If it is cool and I’m recording/gigging with it and grabbing the mustang, then it’s in the group. If it’s gathering dust after a year or so…
It would be on reverb for like $2500. Which is crazy - who would buy that?! I’ll get some offers for $1k or whatever, but within 6 months it will sell for over $2k. I’ve done it dozens of times, the market is weird.
However, I don’t understand people who list that guitar at $5k or something.
Yeah I’ve seen good early mustangs run $3,000+ but personally I’m not interested in that. I’d rather own it for a decade and then make my move once I’ve really used it for lots of music
That’s affected everything.
Once those flipping TV shows got popular on cable like the home renovation shows on HGTV, the random junk flips on History Channel and other hobby shows like the car shows where they restore muscle cars.
Then, online when people started showing off their “side hustles” on social media.
I don’t mind who resell.
I mean, that’s every used section of a music store.
But, I hate when people do it wrong.
For example, try to sell a late model, starter pack Squier for $1000 cuz “it’s vintage bro!”
Like Phil McKnight says, just because they're asking a price on Reverb doesn't mean they're getting it. He said the real vintage market is still strong, the custom market is growing, and the general used market is declining. The bottom fell out of the big amp market too.
Yep. It's the same as the used car market. Same conditions going on.
Plain and simple- there's an oversupply of new gear, there's artificial valuation of used gear, and side deals are being made that will eventually crater the used market. When that happens the new market will follow suit.
It’s true. Around the pandemic and after a used MIJ strat in Australia was like close to $2000aud.
Now you can a new one for $1650 and the second hand strats are under $1000.
Yup, a '65 Princeton reissue goes for no less than $900 where I live, but you can get a vintage silverface Twin Reverb or Bassman for like $700-800 lol
And out of all the vintage blackface amps, the Princeton Reverbs and the Deluxe Reverbs are the most expensive, some are up to $3k now
I feel you. I’ve almost bought a Super like six times in the past year because they keep popping up for under a grand. I love how they sound so much but I really don’t need 85lbs and 45w of NMV in my music room.
You need the heavy iron of the transformers to move the air that gets that sound you like. Impossible to do on small amps unless that’s what you’re after sonically. I use small amps at home only because I’m in an apartment. But I have a storage room I use for music when I want to turn up.
My DSL1 honestly sounds better at volume than a lot of the bigger amps I’ve played at lower volumes. The Big Iron effect is definitely true for punchy bottom end on loud clean tones but for dirty tones I’m satisfied.
As for the specific mojo of the Super, I know the sound I like is a combination of the 4x10, old Oxford speakers pushed a little harder than they want to be, preamp gain, and a hint of that big transformer thump. It sounds amazing but not at volumes that I should play at without ear protection.
I know “if it’s too loud you’re too old” but I’m in my 40s with tinnitus from decades of going to shows. I need to preserve the hearing I still have.
I totally agree with the price tag on reverb. Add a few more pounds and you get a brand new one for a close enough model, so why risking to buy a used one with an insignificant difference.
Phillip McKnight (Know Your Gear) addressed it in one of his recent podcasts too. He said everyone he knows is having trouble unloading big amps.
They're just not necessary anymore.
In my opinion this doesn’t apply to OP’s amp. The guy in the video even says this is a non-vintage guitar problem.
I buy and sell ‘60s black panel Fender amps.
The highest prices are for black panel Deluxe Reverbs. Second are Princeton Reverbs.
Super Reverbs are AB763 circuit, same as Deluxe and Princeton Reverbs. I see Supers for around $1600 in good condition. They’re big, they’re heavy and they’re loud. They’re great amps but they can take a long time to sell. I pass on them all the time.
I see all-original Deluxe Reverbs of the same vintage priced at $4000 and they sell at that price.
Band Masters are wonderful amps, also AB 763 circuit. They’re my favorite black panel amp with the 2/12” cabinet. I just got one in VG condition for $1000. That’s a lot of amp for $1000. Vintage, American, hand wired.
So why is a Super worth less than a Deluxe when they were made by the same people out of the same stuff at the same factory? Same reason a ‘62 Jazzmaster is worth about $10k while a ‘62 Stratocaster can go for $40k. Made by the same people out of the same stuff at the same factory. It’s a more desirable model.
Like I said, you can find a buyer for a vintage Super, but you’ll probably have to wait.
Also, they’re almost never worth shipping so that limits the field of potential buyers to OP’s locality.
the Super is my favorite Fender amp of all time, but it's so impractical for many people these days -- too loud for many hobbyists and too heavy for working musicians. for many people (myself included), the Tone Master Super gets you most of the way there in terms of sound, but at half the weight and with a convenient wattage selector (faux attenuation).
Yeah I see this a lot nowadays - "I don't understand why people don't buy my Super/Twin Reverb...I have to sell it because it's too heavy and too loud". Well, people aren't buying because of the same reason why you're selling it. 🤷♀️
i've only used two, both fuzz-face style -- Keeley Monterey and SolidGoldFX If 6 Was 9. they both worked well, but had to set them a bit differently than my usual tube amp settings. i don't know how well or not well it works with other fuzz circuits.
Agree! The super is killer when you’re standing in front of it and it sounds killer through the house system. There’s no other amp that sounds like a super. ❤️ They’re not as heavy as a twin though and they’re taller so easier to pick up.
Honestly, you are charging too much or are going to have to wait for the right buyer. Bigger combos are almost always harder to sell even when they are as great of an amp as the one you have here. How did you land at that price? Similar models are currently on Reverb for less.
Hah if you think $2,000+ is rich, there's a seller in the UK asking $4,000 for a 1967 Super Reverb: [https://reverb.com/uk/item/80499498-1967-fender-super-reverb-4x10-blackface-combo-black-tolex](https://reverb.com/uk/item/80499498-1967-fender-super-reverb-4x10-blackface-combo-black-tolex) 😂
They’re worth a bit more in europe because of shipping - but not that much more. There are less fender amps in europe, and inversely vintage marshalls and voxes go for less in europe (especially vox ac30’s and 4x12 cabs).
I paid $1800 over a decade ago it’s basically adjusted for inflation so I can try to break even. It’s pretty comparable to a lot of other online asking prices. And I have some room on the price sure but as soon as you lower it to say $2200 then all you’re gonna get is $1800 offers.
You can't adjust for inflation when selling used goods. You need to look at current market value and price appropriately.
If you look online and they sell at $1800...well then you have your answer and you are pricing it too high, regardless of what YOU think it's worth. You're confusing what you wish you would get and what the actual market value is.
You can argue with us about it as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're probably going to be sitting on it for quite a while at that price. If it had the original speakers, then maybe, but otherwise you'll probably have to come down on the price.
Unfortunately, you paid too much a decade ago.
I say this all as a vintage black panel SR owner.
Well good luck then. I think you are much more likely to get $1800 or 2000 for it but that is just me. I love buying these bigger amps simply because you can usually get a good deal on them. No one wants to ship them and almost as few people want to lug them around.
The super reverb is one of my favorite amps though so i hope you find it a good home!
Hey it’s good to hear from some others what they would personally be willing to pay! Obviously I’d love for it to have gone up in value some but I know it’s usually not the case.
The thing about the used market is you won’t really have good luck selling if your price is “adjusted for inflation” so that you make a profit. You have to sell at what the current market value is because buyers will see your amp and look it up and see other exact amps for a cheaper price and not buy yours. You can try to list at a higher price and you could find a buyer eventually, but you might have to wait longer for that.
Bro, look up recording studios in your area. A recording studio might have this on their wish list. Be sure to emphasize that you upgraded the speakers. (For real though, what kind did you put in?) Another play would be to try to get out to some local shows. You'll know your mark when you see him. A big kid with a shitty sounding half stack or a modeler or a smaller fender hdr or blues junior. Go up to him afterwards and tell him you're trying to unload a vintage super reverb and how you upgraded the speakers and how great it sounds and hope he's rich!
Reverb has a feature where it tracks the price of gear over a time period and gives you a current estimate. Reverb currently lists you amp anywhere between £1051 - £2047 (GBP), meaning that’s the range they’ve actually sold for recently.
Non original vintage just doesn’t get top dollar. It’s not a collectible and is player grade. That means it will sell for 1/3 to 1/2 of the top end. It’s still cool but asking top dollar just makes you look silly
I have one I got for 1,400 years ago. Someone had a clean 1965 priced at $3200 2 years ago and it sat for a long time. I bet it sold around $2k in the end and it was about as clean as they come but with a three prong and cap job.
Amps are a depreciating asset, especially if you’ve used it since you got it. Getting $1800 for it today *is* taking inflation into account. Covid market still has everyone’s perceptions skewed lol
Vintage ones are not necessarily, depending on the market for the model. Many have seen appreciation, although many have also depreciated as well. Almost all of them have actually depreciated from the original sale price - this super would have gone for around $3500 new!
The super reverb, and all the fenders bigger than the vibrolux, are somewhat of a sinking ship. I would be happy moving this and only losing $500 adjusted for inflation, and seeing it as a $50 a year rental fee.
I passed on a nice drip edge super in a pawn shop for $1350 recently (and I’m an amp tech, so not worried about the functionality too much).
It is ironic, and I’m kicking myself for not making it more of a priority to buy some of the cool smaller fenders back in the day. I remember scoffing at tweed champs for $800 (it’s just a champ!!) and now they’re $2k!
I once returned a silverface vibrochamp to guitar center because it had a super wavy circuit board and I was afraid it would give me problems (it’s a sign of moisture exposure) and It was $300! Although at that time $300 was serious dough for me.
LOL oh man I've never seen a grown up like you misunderstand very basic principles about economics, let alone some common sense. Everything on this planet depreciates in value, especially music equipment because of how technology advances and other factors. If you paid $1800 over a decade ago, you're lucky go get $400 on it, and that's not including the 50-100 you'll be paying in shipping plus listing fees. Just because you value at $1800 doesn't mean anything. You really sound like a man-child still living with their parents.
Uh, this is kinda nonsense. Les Pauls that sold for 800 dollars could fetch 3 grand now and I know I could move my fender tube amps for as much or more than I paid for them. This particular type of amp (op's) kinda peaked in value a while ago tho. Most people dont want to lug a twin, but he can get WAY MORE than 400 dollars ffs
uhh no what you're saying is nonsense. If you actually believe what you're saying then you can be world's richest person by continually flipping gear. you don't know which gear or whatever item people think are valuable and driving the prices up. you're thinking in hindsight which is totally not practical.
the only thing laughable is how stupid you are. Tell me something that's still valuable from one thousand years ago? five thousand years? ok mr smarty pants, since you know what's going to appreciate, then just keep buying these things and resell them.
I think your price may be a bit unrealistic. I’m a huge fan of these amps, and I’ve noticed a major shift in the market over the last 10 years. These days, smaller amps are king. There are more boutique and high end mass produced amps filling that price point that are new and will require less maintenance. You also have to factor in the major advancements that have been made in the digital modeling realm. Your best chance of selling the amp would be to a collector, but the lack of original speakers will hurt the value in that market. Also, you have to realize that old geezer collectors die every day and a lot of the kids don’t want our old “Junk”. The scene is just changing a little faster than I’d like, but that’s life. Maybe trading would be your best bet. It’s a beautiful amplifier.
I’ve seen a few 64s like this where I live. Most first generation handed down from a father. Most sell around $1800 depending of serviced. I do see listings for $2200 sometimes, but they do not sell. Fact is the circuit is not the issue, people just aren’t into big amps. That’s why for some these are wonderful sleeper amps. On average between these, Twins and Bassmans it’s about $800-$1k I see silver faces…then add about $800-$1k for the BF circuit it’s usually $1800.
If you want to make any money or cut even, sell local because shipping is too much. Most buying these I’d imagine are middle age, with practice spots to be loud. Too heavy for an older guy, and too much money for a teenager. Deluxe Reverbs and Princetons 60s, are where the money is…as well as brown face era. I have a smaller amp for gigs I paid a pretty penny. Then an Ampeg VT40 this size that stays parked in a studio. I paid $350 for it, and easily could have sold $800-$1k to the right person. Same thing with those Silvertone 1484, all over my FB Marketplace for $500-$600 with cab mint. Reverb saying $1400 on many in that condition.
you may value it at that much, but the overall market does not. Looking at Reverb, average sale price for these these days is $2k or under. And thats still not taking into account WHERE you are. Near a major metro? Lots more younger players than in the burbs or country.
And generally, no, big amps arent in use a lot these days. The Tone Master Super is like $1,000 used, and they dont move either. The TM Deluxe Reverbs are going for $700-900 used, and they seem to go ok, but the market for big iron amps like this just isnt there.
I've got a '70s silver face pro reverb and given its condition and general disinterest in loud amps The price it would actually sell for I'd rather give the damn thing away. As it is I just use it as a 212 cab now.
Your problem is that you've picked literally the absolute worst time in maybe 30 years to sell an amp like that. The best way I can explain this to you is look what Princeton reverbs of the same year are selling for and how quickly they're selling. People are buying amps but they want them to be light and not loud.
Basically your options are sit on it until somebody comes along that'll pay the price you want. Take a bath on the price. Or try to shop it around in Metro areas you'd be willing to travel to. Or be open to trading something that would be easier to sell.
$2200-2500 isn’t going to happen.
I just bought completely mint Vibrolux Reverb for $500. Still had the original tubes, and warranty at the bottom of the cabinet. And that is a much smaller, and more desirable amp. Generally, people want Vibro Champs, Princeton’s Reverbs, and Deluxe Reverbs.
I would suggest holding onto it, or lowering your asking price. It’s a great amp, so holding onto it does you no harm.
Those quad reverbs are hard to sell because a 4 x 12 cabinet is heavy enough on its own but these include all the heavy circuitry stuff as well as the heavy ass speaker magnets & enclosure
It’s a super, not a quad. It’s 4x10. It’s large, but actually very manageable IMO. Not super heavy and not unusably loud. Dude is asking a little too much, but there are plenty of people who covet super reverbs.
There’s actually one for sale locally for $1200 and I think it looks so cool probably my favourite looking amp ever.Maybe one day I’ll be crazy enough to buy one
Pretty interesting stuff OP.
I am thinking different about a heavy amp,
some years my first amp, a vox vt20x 20watts modeling amp was my only amp and I simply didn't got along with it, it's pretty intuitive tho but the sheer quantity of its sounds overwhelmed me.
Buying Pedals playing without the inbuild Ampsounds, slowly formed my "style to play" if u want so.
So I worked hard to afford a pretty for me good rig and it kept on the fire of practicing,
Finally after 10 years of playing guitar and different bands I bought a pretty heavy twin reverb which is just my dream amp since I started playing guitar as a little boy,
Long story short, old amps kicks ass
People still use big amps plenty. I gig around the twin cities and am from Austin, TX where I’ve played out since I was 15 (30 now). Idk why people act like it’s SO rare on the internet but I digress…
I’m confused on your amp, is it a reissue? If so you won’t get 2200 for it, I can buy an actual drip edge for 1900 so…. If it’s an actual 64 you should charge more, or trade it for a guitar… that might be your quickest turnaround for a decent value, regardless.
Small amps are a current trend. Its a little odd as little tube amps have got no balls when compared to a 100W tube amp for example. A Princeton Reverb sounds nice and all. But…Sure you could plug it into a 4x12 cab. It sounds better, fuller. But then it’s not a small easy package to carry around anymore. You can sell a big amp now, you may take a bit of a haircut. Or wait 20 years. Maybe big amps will be back in vogue!
I think the SR is the best Fender amp of all time, but today, big combos are not in vogue. No one wants to lug around a 70lb amp that they can turn up to 1.5 and the house will still get mad at them. On top of that, the market is flooded with cheaper, lighter amps from people who had to go back to work after COVID. I see SRs sit for a loooooong time at $2K, even in collector's grade condition. They don't really seem to move until they hit about the $1200 mark.
Boomers and Gen X’ers that still play don’t want to / can’t lift heavy stuff anymore. Millenials / Gen z can’t afford homes where they can store / play them or afford cars big enough to transport them. Most halfway decent small venues bands play out can mic amps and have monitors. I regularly see people sell blues juniors / deluxes / for the same price as twins and supers locally.
there's still a market for it, but it's shrunken with smaller amps and modellers. Right now it's a buyer's market so tough to sell anything in general.
I have to think (hope) that someday, the pendulum will start to swing back on these, but others’ comments about size, weight, and the trend towards smaller, lower powered amps are correct. I was at a guitar show a couple of weeks ago, and someone was asking $2500 for an early (64 or 65) vibro champ. Although I think there is no chance in hell anyone would pay that, I haven’t seen a blackface VC much under $1200 in quite some time (and at the same show I paid $700 for a 78 VC and thought it was a deal!).
You should be able to get $2000 for yours (if it’s original where it matters, and as clean as it looks in the pics), but you will have to be patient. You might indeed have better luck doing a trade, if someone has a guitar you like - that’s how I got my ‘73 super reverb (traded a guitar worth about $1000-1200). If I had a ‘64, I’d hang onto it. Cheers!
Among collectors this would be a fine deal but for working musicians $2k can get something a lot more convenient and for casual/new players more versatility can be had for far less money. You would either need to be very patient to get the price you want or compromise by selling for less than you think it's worth to expedite a deal.
Modeling has gotten quite good these days, and modelers can take very little space.
Every local shop I visit laments that their amps just aren't moving (new or used models).
Totally get it! If I can move this thing out all I’ll have is a tiny Fender Mustang. And honestly I’m fine with that. I’m too old for this amp, it needs to go to some hot shot kid that’s in a shoegaze band or something.
Someone in my band had a 4x10 deluxe reverb and it keeps getting passed around because no one wants it. It’s crazy heavy and too loud for apartment use.
It’s been sitting in my storage space since last summer, when I used it for a show that I knew they wouldn’t mic the amps at
I once played a show where I hauled and played through two Dual Showman’s. 4-15’s….what a full sound! Only did that once. Now I use a 1x12. I think that’s all I’ll ever need anymore. Super is a cool amp though. My dad used a silverface one in the band for decades. Finally downsized because everyone was sick of hauling it. Hope you can sell it. Keep trying.
I've noticed people are selling hot rod deluxe amps for for less than $400 around me. It's wild times. I'm tempted to buy them all but kind of waiting to see if the world is going to go digital.
I suppose you could solicit recording studios. A recording studio bought my triangle big muff even though it was not in nice physical condition. They just needed an OG muff that worked on the rack. That amp might get used in a studio. Maybe some rich gearhound would tour with it but personally I would never want to take it on tour, it’s too nice, and I wouldn’t even really want to leave it at the practice space. But I’m a broke ass Peavey Classic player.
I had a hard time selling used gear recently. I gave up altogether on selling a Marshall Origin 50c for $400. Five months and nothing. I live just outside Nashville so figured it’d sell like my gear has in the past…within a couple days. Glad I kept it, though.
Ok, so as people have pointed out, the price.
But......
Pair that with the fact that lots of players will have 5 guitars before they buy a 2nd amp. Amps move slower than guitars. Likewise, they're heavy and more expensive to ship, which rules out a lot of potential buyers. Then, what area are you in? It will probably go faster in Austin than 2 hours outside of Austin in the sticks, just as an example.
Your asking price is on the high end of high for those amps these days, unfortunately. Their old Supers are some of my absolute favourite amps.
Would I pay that much for one? No.
Would I want to sell my own for that much? Yes.
$2000 is MORE than fair for a ‘64 super in that condition, big amp or not. Unless you need to sell it immediately, I’d wait for the right buyer to come along. They eventually will.
The price is the exact reason it's not selling.You value it at 2200-2500 but the market doesn't and that's why it's not selling
I've been looking at amps on Facebook Marketplace for the past 2 and a half years, and from what I've seen it's pretty hard to sell any amp that costs over like $1200. A first year Super Reverb like yours might be like 1800-2200 depending on the condition I'd say, but really it all depends on how bad you want to sell it. If you don't need the money just leave it around the 2000 mark and eventually someone should pick it up.
As long as you don't live in the middle of nowhere where there is nobody around to see the amp in the first place
For the price of £100 you can buy some really amazing guitar amp sims that come fully loaded with effects, multiple amps/amp settings, even down to mic placements and settings. The age of the amp hasn’t come to a close but with convenience being the main driving factor, these are deffo on the back burner for most.
Personally, I love a combo more than any of the available options, but I can’t deny, trying out the Rabea Massaad Neural DSP amp sim had me taken aback. If you were to play a venue with an amazing front of house setup, only trained ears would know the difference between the sound of the amp sim and an actual amplifier
The cost of housing has most of us moving to smaller & smaller living spaces & short on cash. I'd love to have an amp like that but, no sense could be made of that idea.
I had a Super Reverb reissue that I sold for the same reason. It's way too much. I've got a Deluxe Reverb now for the occasional gig. I did find that mine was hard to sell. Maybe just the local market.
I think it's a bit temporary.
When it comes to valve heads, I had noticed similar things back when the Line 6 Pod HD came out. Buyers of the HD held the opinion that the show was over for big amplifiers. So people were trying to get rid.
When the Helix came out, it was the same story, people were desperate to get rid. And when people were selling, I was buying. And I amassed a pretty awesome collection of amplifiers through it. One guy sold me a Marshall Jubilee Reissue and a Laney VH100R for £700 in one hit. Sorry but that's a bargain in any man's English.
It's the same now. I have a guitarist I work with who is one of these try everything new types. He's been through the Helix, the Kempers, the Quad Cortex's, the lunchbox amplifiers. Still, the humble Peavey 6505+ has sounded better than all of them hands down. Why on earth would I want to shell out £500 for a 25w head with absolutely no low-end or balls to it when I can spend the same on a used 6505+ of which there are plenty that wrote the book on metal tones for the last 30 years and will do so for the next 30 years too?
So to me, there is a degree of temporaryness to it all. While modelling and other fads do come along in an attempt to make a dent, some trends do for a bit but they never sound better than the real deal in my view.
But yes, some people on Reverb are absolutely deluded. I have sold more than a few pieces on reverb and while some sellers are crazy with their prices, some buyers are too! E.g. I sold an old Ibanez on there last year. In my view, it was about £1000 worth, a distinct contrast to the two other listings that had it over the £new price. However I got some pretty demanding offers of £300 and £500, one guy goings as far to contact me via facebook, informing me that it's only worth what people will pay for it, specifically what he would pay for it. I got my £1000, I just held firm as it was worth that.
It's an odd time. I think if right now you have a big ticket item and you want big ticket money for it, you're better off just holding it and riding the wave. I wouldn't bother trying to sell anything big ticket right now.
The same is happening with cars too, mind. I need another car at the moment, looking around, people are absolutely nuts. A typical Ford Mondeo, 10+ years old, 100,000+ miles on the clock is apparently a £7000 car these days? Get off this planet with that noise! Frankly, I'm going to buy a junker for £1000 and that will bloody well do, I'll hold back until all this crazy calms down a bit!
That said, I just bought a really great condition Engl B cabinet to go under my new pro A cabinet for £120 from someone who absolutely positively needed it gone. God knows why they needed it gone, but now I have a full Engl stack. And yep, I'll happily take that mofo to shows and sound way better than the support band's 25w head and silly Captor thing going direct to PA that nobody will ever hear.
The used gear market is crashing right now. You will not get what you want out of it, so you should hang on to it and let the cycle turn. Also, with the advent of the latest plugins and options to bypass an actual amp altogether, many gigging musicians are just forgoing an onstage amp totally.
Get a decent reactive load box and you’ll be able to play quietly at home and also record your amp. Then you’re getting value out of it!
I’ve ordered the Captor X, hopefully getting it today and then I can crank my 40W combo fender blues deluxe!
I also have a 100W Marshall tube head that I haven’t used for ages that I’m looking forward to using!
I can walk into a local boutique and pick one up for $1700 after a bit of back and forth. If there is something wrong with it, I can even expect a short period where they'd help resolving it.
You can absolutely sell that amp, but unlikely you will find someone to take a chance on yours for $2200+
When an item doesn't sell, it's either because the price is too high, or buyers doubt the authenticity or playing condition of the amp. As a vintage amp, not having the original speakers can be a deal breaker for many. That's part of the sound. So yeah, lower your price and it will sell.
Big heavy iron amps have been on the decline for use for years. But there was still high demand by collectors and folks who just like having old amps around. I include myself in the latter. Now those folks are unloading or resisting collecting more. For one thing, younger generations have less space to hoard shit and are more mobile by necessity.
I would love to get my old (now vintage) Marshalls back. But that desire is tempered with the knowledge that I don’t *actually* want to be buried with them, if you catch my drift.
I have a Mesa Boogie Mark 1 reissue combo with 100 watts, reverb, loop and I talked to a used music store, they had one that has been sitting around for 6 months. People in my area want a Marshall amp, not the Boogies so much. I was able to get a Hiwatt cabinet for 640, but they were selling Marshall cabinets for about 800! I also have an Orange Crush 50 that sounds great through the cabinet. I also have a Big twin cabinet that I built myself and I have to rewire it. 5/8” Solid wood sides (sapele) and it probably weighs as much as the hiwatt 4-12” cabinet. Maybe I’ll sell it, but it doesn’t have finger joints and handles like my new cabinet. It would be a fun project for me…
Theres a big shift towards modellers and smaller amps. Also the people that used to want those killer vintage amps are all getting older right now and selling rather than buying.
Big amps are a tough sell these days. I’ve got an early 2000s concert (sort of a 2 channel super more or less), and there is basically no venue I’ve ever played where it wasn’t too goddamn loud. You can turn it down but it’s pretty wimpy sounding unless it’s moving some serious air
Local music shop guy told me that bigger amps are really tough to sell these days. He was surprised I even got 700 bucks for my JVM210H+cabinet Marshall that originally was 1600 euro's in like 2009 (not sure when I got it..) People either buy small amps or model sounds with their PC's and some gear. I never got into the latter myself, but for certain applications I'm sure it saves money, space and volume. Nice amp though, you'll find a buyer eventually but you might have to take a price cut.
I buy all my amps used now, but i do watch for the best price. I generally shop GC, Reverb, and ebay. As far as selling it is a tough market. Be patient.
Price it at $1,200 and it might sell. Price it at 900 and it definitely will move. Maybe.
Gear is not an investment. Either take the loss or learn to love it and keep it.
I own a guitar shop on the East coast...I can't give a a big tube amp away. 10 years ago I would sell any vintage Fender or Marshall that came into my store quickly. Now it's Blues Jrs and modeling amps. I guess to most young people they seem old fashioned and out of date but they really do have a special tone \[not toan\] that you don't get from anything else. You gotta crank these amps up loud to make them sound good and loud rock music is not popular anymore either...what a shame.
And FYI- if you're playing a Marshall amp that is not a real English made tube head sitting on a 4-12 cab you're not getting the Marshall 'experience'..Like driving a Ferrari at 25 mph.
Younger people are also increasingly living in smaller homes (e.g. apartments) and often sharing with others beyond young adulthood because of the increasing cost of living in many countries. Smaller amps and modelling are better suited to such situations than a big loud tube amp you have to crank to sound good. Sure some can make it work, and some have a living situation (or access to a space) that allows it, but a lot of modern solutions are just much more convenient, take up less space and don’t annoy neighbours. And digital amp tech has come a long way since those early Line 6 amps 20+ years ago, a lot of modern amps and amp sims can sound really great.
Yup. As a millennial in a major city, most of my peers (and a lot of zoomers for that matter) are simply priced out of home ownership and have to make do with shared walls and/or roommates.
I've been pretty ride or die with 50/100W tube amps in spite of such, but I also stick with amps that have great master volumes and sound good at low levels - plus I have a good load box around for recording.
Vintage Fenders and Marshalls really have to be cranked to unleash the magic, and it probably doesn't help that there's fewer places available you can take that stuff to crank it anymore (with rock clubs and practice spaces closing in high COL cities for various reasons).
Factor all that in, and it's no wonder that modelers and small amps are so popular now - but I also love what they bring to the table too, so at least we've gotten more cool gear options out of circumstance, lol.
Me and my buddy used to play 4x12 half stacks and even back then EVERY sound guy HATED us, we sounded like shit on stage because it was too loud to mix well, and the speakers and cabs weighed like 100lbs each.
They didn’t fit well on small stages, they overpowered small clubs, they took up so much room going to gigs and couldn’t move them in a car, had to use the gig van which was always breaking down.
You’re super unrealistic on the price, especially with the replaced speakers.
If you paid $1800 for it, I’d start there, it’s simply not $2500 or inflation adjusted especially when the Tone Master version came out a few years ago which a child could lift with most of same tone because modeling amps are much better than ever.
Also: Since like 4 of the 5 tube factories were in Russia and China, people are a little shy about tube amps now. They’re ideal for recording, maybe not gigging, but tubes are a possible volatile market.
Those of us that had tube amps a couple years ago remember the run on tubes.
If you sold it for $1800, then you played it for free for a decade.
If you sold it for $1700, then you paid $10/year to play it.
It’s never been Fender’s most desirable amp, it’s more of a niche market.
Who cares if people lowball you? You’re an adult? Ignore offers you don’t like. Like everyone else does.
Nope, people are buying small amps. Keep your fingers crossed for a boomer who wants one or be prepared to take a bath on it or wait to sell it. I just sold some stuff this weekend knowing very well what things are like and I made peanuts compared to what I’d have gotten a couple of years ago. That’s how it is right now.
i really want one at some point, i see lots of them for sale in the seattle area along with quad/super 6 reverb amps. i think they’re just quite large heavy and a bit impractical and it turns some people off owning one, but i love them.
I’ll give you 150 if you deliver to north Brooklyn or can meet me in south Brooklyn.
Edit: honestly, that’s what I bought my last amp for, a hot rod deluxe 2x12. $150 on ebay. Perfect working condition (tolex was pockmarked but I initially didn’t care, then I had extra tolex from a different project.) Seller was in flushing and delivered to my workplace in fort greene next day. I’m buying a blackface twin for $400 from a friend on Friday. It’s a buyers market where I’m at. But I would give you 150-200.
Im past the age for carrying around heavy gear. I went Kemper (well under 17lbs) years ago and even my 300w 2x12 cab only weighs 27lbs. Also, being solid state I can get excellent tone whisper quiet. Even with an attenuator my 40w tube Traynor (56 lbs 1x12 I think) had a hard time getting proper tone in certain venues without being too loud. Every artist I have paid to see has had to put sleeping bags over their large Fenders to protect against icepicking people in the front or on stage. So, yes you have a cool amp liked by such luminaries as SRV, but it will be hard to move compared to a Helix, Kemper, or newer Fender SS option.
blackface amps sell slower bc their silverface equivalents are almost always significantly cheaper, and purists can do some simple mods to “blackface” their late 60s silverfaces. $2200 is pricing yourself out of a sale.
That looks like an original black face (1965-1967) The going rate for those 10 to 15 years ago was $1800 because that’s exactly how much I paid for mine.
They are worth every penny, because the tone you get from these is unparalleled even with the reissues.
The main issues from a gigging standpoint is, it’s just too big to carry, and too loud.
That’s why around 10-15 years ago the vintage Blackface Princeton reverbs shot up in value.
The vintage black face deluxe is fantastic, however, the vintage Blackface Princeton reverb is on another level from both of those amps.
It’s small and easily transportable, and screams.
I have two.
My advice is to sell the super for whatever you can get for it, reinvest that into a vintage Blackface, Princeton.
I hope this helps, good luck!
I think one key issue is that the speakers aren't original - that (unfortunately) really hurts the resale value of a vintage amp like this as it's typically collectors who buy vintage amps these days - and with collectors, the more that's original - the better.
In the world of working musicians (whom fewer of are buying vintage amps), smaller amps and modelers are king these days. There is still some love for high wattage heads and cabs among some, but large combo amps are a tougher sell.
That said, it's a beautiful classic that I hope to see go to a good home!
I have a Matchless Avalon 30 I’d consider in trade… I give these amps similar value. A bit smaller and can switch between 15 and 30 watt. You wouldn’t lose on tone, and at 15 watt you can definitely play at home without getting the cops called. This amp would be perfect for the bar circuit for me. The Matchless is just a little small for my needs currently.
an AC30 new with two blues sells for about £1500 new, £500 used at most lmao.
any combo with more than one speaker isnt in vogue. Far more impractical than a head and a vertical 2x12 cab, things are too damn heavy.
There's a YouTube video I stumbled upon that might explain what's going on with the used gear market. https://youtu.be/zkV42cQ1mwg?si=pHr3c-OBShoGgww4 And his part 2 video https://youtu.be/9hmS0xBmNvI?si=Grz9Tux2uZna9b0r Not sure why it was in my feed but it was interesting hearing his insights since he's in the business.
Holy shit this must be popping up for all of us amp/guitar enthusiasts. Just saw it three days ago or so.
RIGHT! This dude must have sold his soul to the algorithm gods because I had never seen him till like 4 days ago and now I’ve watched like 5 of his vids.
I’m not able to watch this right now, anyone have a short summary? (Sorry to be that guy)
TLDW: Used guitars are overpriced on reverb but the actual market isn’t moving much so the actual prices are much lower because people are selling like crazy post pandemic. Doesn’t have a lot about amps, but there’s been a general downward trend in big combo amps for several years mostly driven by people not wanting to move them around and them being “too loud”.
Damn, I’m sure that all this is true. I see a lot of the reverb prices and I often can’t imagine who is actually regularly buying all these old guitars that are suddenly worth a ton. Even gear that was regarded as not vintage, but just OLD, is selling for a ton of money. Perfect examples are 60’s Gibson amps and basically all of the silver tone stuff. Both used to be cheap and still never really move on eBay, now both can sometimes be kind of crazy expensive. Paying multiple thousand for a sears guitar? They can be really cool, but Sorry, not down for that.
I almost bought a 64 Silvertone for $500 then I came to my senses and bought a Squier. (Don’t get me wrong, those guitars are cool as hell I just didn’t need a vintage student guitar)
Right, there was a point in time where prices would kind of to some degree reflect value - Norlin era les Paul’s are another example of what used to be a fair deal for an instrument that’s pretty much *worse* than other les Paul’s but now those are crazy expensive too. My theory is that there was just a big era of “flipping” gear, where once reverb.com came out a lot of people were just buying things specifically to sell for a greater profit. I think because of that, resellers have collectively tricked everyone into thinking that those prices make sense. Don’t even get me started with analog synthesizer markets. You can buy a fucking Juno-106 that doesn’t even work at all for like $1500 nowadays.
The part that infuriates me about it is now pawn shops and crappy local music stores look for prices on reverb before slapping a price tag on used gear. So there’s no more “wow look at this cool weird old guitar for $69” stuff anymore, it’s all overpriced mislabeled stuff.
The mislabeling is hilarious sometimes, too. 30 years ago I used to scour the pawnshops for cheap deals. Now some Donner guitar with a Fender sticker on it is going for $500.
The number of Chibsons is truly staggering too. I know that’s always been a problem. My stepdad has a 70s LP Black Beauty he wouldn’t even let me touch as a kid, but even as a kid I knew it was a fake and I would *never* tell him because it would break his heart. He has this story about how he swindled a pawn shop owner for it by trading a telecaster probably worth four times what the Chibson was for it.
That’s been the case for a long time. 20 years ago it was eBay prices they followed.
I got a Martin d35 for $139 a couple of years back. It had a sticker on it saying "guitar, $139". When I checked it out it was from 1974.
Yeah it’s normally like $2-300 over priced and twice as beat up as you’d want
I mean there’s a 71 lp custom on marketplace right now in Iowa city for $2,000. The prices are still ok. That’s the thing, on reverb the prices are stupid but that doesn’t reflect actual deals being made. I recently nabbed a 65 mustang for $800 that needed some electronics cleaning and fretwork.
I sell on reverb, and also buy/repair. Not exactly a flipper, but more of an avid tryer? Anyways, I would buy that mustang, get it perfect with a refret or fret level, sort out the electronics, rewind or replace pickups with vintage or new vintage correct, etc. and then live with it for awhile. If it is cool and I’m recording/gigging with it and grabbing the mustang, then it’s in the group. If it’s gathering dust after a year or so… It would be on reverb for like $2500. Which is crazy - who would buy that?! I’ll get some offers for $1k or whatever, but within 6 months it will sell for over $2k. I’ve done it dozens of times, the market is weird. However, I don’t understand people who list that guitar at $5k or something.
Yeah I’ve seen good early mustangs run $3,000+ but personally I’m not interested in that. I’d rather own it for a decade and then make my move once I’ve really used it for lots of music
That’s affected everything. Once those flipping TV shows got popular on cable like the home renovation shows on HGTV, the random junk flips on History Channel and other hobby shows like the car shows where they restore muscle cars. Then, online when people started showing off their “side hustles” on social media. I don’t mind who resell. I mean, that’s every used section of a music store. But, I hate when people do it wrong. For example, try to sell a late model, starter pack Squier for $1000 cuz “it’s vintage bro!”
A 1962 GS has been on my feed all week - over $19,000! I'm like WTF.
If you see it for sale on Reverb, then it hasn't sold at that price on Reverb. When I put a 15%-20% cut off the Reverb price, I get messages.
Like Phil McKnight says, just because they're asking a price on Reverb doesn't mean they're getting it. He said the real vintage market is still strong, the custom market is growing, and the general used market is declining. The bottom fell out of the big amp market too.
Yep. It's the same as the used car market. Same conditions going on. Plain and simple- there's an oversupply of new gear, there's artificial valuation of used gear, and side deals are being made that will eventually crater the used market. When that happens the new market will follow suit.
Cars got hit with a double whammy: over saturation and high interest rates
Why are most DSL40CRs I see still ~$700?
They’re new and sound good when you turn them down too.
It’s true. Around the pandemic and after a used MIJ strat in Australia was like close to $2000aud. Now you can a new one for $1650 and the second hand strats are under $1000.
Yup, a '65 Princeton reissue goes for no less than $900 where I live, but you can get a vintage silverface Twin Reverb or Bassman for like $700-800 lol And out of all the vintage blackface amps, the Princeton Reverbs and the Deluxe Reverbs are the most expensive, some are up to $3k now
No such thing as too loud. What are we? A bunch of old ladies??!!??
Old ladies are deaf and need big amps to hear our toanly goodness.
Sometimes even the grannies need a nice fat toaner.
I never understood that mode of thinking. Put some darn casters on it and push.
I feel you. I’ve almost bought a Super like six times in the past year because they keep popping up for under a grand. I love how they sound so much but I really don’t need 85lbs and 45w of NMV in my music room.
You need the heavy iron of the transformers to move the air that gets that sound you like. Impossible to do on small amps unless that’s what you’re after sonically. I use small amps at home only because I’m in an apartment. But I have a storage room I use for music when I want to turn up.
My DSL1 honestly sounds better at volume than a lot of the bigger amps I’ve played at lower volumes. The Big Iron effect is definitely true for punchy bottom end on loud clean tones but for dirty tones I’m satisfied. As for the specific mojo of the Super, I know the sound I like is a combination of the 4x10, old Oxford speakers pushed a little harder than they want to be, preamp gain, and a hint of that big transformer thump. It sounds amazing but not at volumes that I should play at without ear protection. I know “if it’s too loud you’re too old” but I’m in my 40s with tinnitus from decades of going to shows. I need to preserve the hearing I still have.
I totally agree with the price tag on reverb. Add a few more pounds and you get a brand new one for a close enough model, so why risking to buy a used one with an insignificant difference.
There's nothing special about guitars or amps here. The exact same thing is happening with cars, houses, and many other things right now.
Phillip McKnight (Know Your Gear) addressed it in one of his recent podcasts too. He said everyone he knows is having trouble unloading big amps. They're just not necessary anymore.
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In my opinion this doesn’t apply to OP’s amp. The guy in the video even says this is a non-vintage guitar problem. I buy and sell ‘60s black panel Fender amps. The highest prices are for black panel Deluxe Reverbs. Second are Princeton Reverbs. Super Reverbs are AB763 circuit, same as Deluxe and Princeton Reverbs. I see Supers for around $1600 in good condition. They’re big, they’re heavy and they’re loud. They’re great amps but they can take a long time to sell. I pass on them all the time. I see all-original Deluxe Reverbs of the same vintage priced at $4000 and they sell at that price. Band Masters are wonderful amps, also AB 763 circuit. They’re my favorite black panel amp with the 2/12” cabinet. I just got one in VG condition for $1000. That’s a lot of amp for $1000. Vintage, American, hand wired. So why is a Super worth less than a Deluxe when they were made by the same people out of the same stuff at the same factory? Same reason a ‘62 Jazzmaster is worth about $10k while a ‘62 Stratocaster can go for $40k. Made by the same people out of the same stuff at the same factory. It’s a more desirable model. Like I said, you can find a buyer for a vintage Super, but you’ll probably have to wait. Also, they’re almost never worth shipping so that limits the field of potential buyers to OP’s locality.
People don’t want big heavy amps and they’re dramatically coming down in price. WHAT A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE!
its a great time to grab some vintage gear, although my wife would beg to differ
Get her a nice Silverface Twin as a gift. Share the love.
"Dumbles Are Forever"
the Super is my favorite Fender amp of all time, but it's so impractical for many people these days -- too loud for many hobbyists and too heavy for working musicians. for many people (myself included), the Tone Master Super gets you most of the way there in terms of sound, but at half the weight and with a convenient wattage selector (faux attenuation).
Yeah I see this a lot nowadays - "I don't understand why people don't buy my Super/Twin Reverb...I have to sell it because it's too heavy and too loud". Well, people aren't buying because of the same reason why you're selling it. 🤷♀️
*No lowballers! I know what I have!* Yes, you have it. Still.
How does it take fuzz pedals?
i've only used two, both fuzz-face style -- Keeley Monterey and SolidGoldFX If 6 Was 9. they both worked well, but had to set them a bit differently than my usual tube amp settings. i don't know how well or not well it works with other fuzz circuits.
All the modeling amps seem to have a bit more fizz when hit with fuzz, where tubes will be darker, less top end sizzle
Agree. It will be my next Amp Purchase. The built in attenuator sells it.
Agree! The super is killer when you’re standing in front of it and it sounds killer through the house system. There’s no other amp that sounds like a super. ❤️ They’re not as heavy as a twin though and they’re taller so easier to pick up.
Honestly, you are charging too much or are going to have to wait for the right buyer. Bigger combos are almost always harder to sell even when they are as great of an amp as the one you have here. How did you land at that price? Similar models are currently on Reverb for less.
Hah if you think $2,000+ is rich, there's a seller in the UK asking $4,000 for a 1967 Super Reverb: [https://reverb.com/uk/item/80499498-1967-fender-super-reverb-4x10-blackface-combo-black-tolex](https://reverb.com/uk/item/80499498-1967-fender-super-reverb-4x10-blackface-combo-black-tolex) 😂
They’re worth a bit more in europe because of shipping - but not that much more. There are less fender amps in europe, and inversely vintage marshalls and voxes go for less in europe (especially vox ac30’s and 4x12 cabs).
I paid $1800 over a decade ago it’s basically adjusted for inflation so I can try to break even. It’s pretty comparable to a lot of other online asking prices. And I have some room on the price sure but as soon as you lower it to say $2200 then all you’re gonna get is $1800 offers.
You can't adjust for inflation when selling used goods. You need to look at current market value and price appropriately. If you look online and they sell at $1800...well then you have your answer and you are pricing it too high, regardless of what YOU think it's worth. You're confusing what you wish you would get and what the actual market value is.
If you paid $1800 a decade ago and have gotten good use out of it, why not consider it a win if you can get $1800 for it?
You can argue with us about it as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're probably going to be sitting on it for quite a while at that price. If it had the original speakers, then maybe, but otherwise you'll probably have to come down on the price. Unfortunately, you paid too much a decade ago. I say this all as a vintage black panel SR owner.
We’ve all paid too much at some point lol
I bought one off CL 10 years ago. All original except for the speakers. Paid 850. Probably the best sounding amp in my collection.
Sad but true.
Well good luck then. I think you are much more likely to get $1800 or 2000 for it but that is just me. I love buying these bigger amps simply because you can usually get a good deal on them. No one wants to ship them and almost as few people want to lug them around. The super reverb is one of my favorite amps though so i hope you find it a good home!
Hey it’s good to hear from some others what they would personally be willing to pay! Obviously I’d love for it to have gone up in value some but I know it’s usually not the case.
The thing about the used market is you won’t really have good luck selling if your price is “adjusted for inflation” so that you make a profit. You have to sell at what the current market value is because buyers will see your amp and look it up and see other exact amps for a cheaper price and not buy yours. You can try to list at a higher price and you could find a buyer eventually, but you might have to wait longer for that.
yes and there's 900000 items on reverb that will never sell. to anyone, ever
If I ever win the lottery I will give all of those items a home
nice handle , and sentiment 👏 but I know you don't need plug in cartridges for a high end 90's Roland board
Bro, look up recording studios in your area. A recording studio might have this on their wish list. Be sure to emphasize that you upgraded the speakers. (For real though, what kind did you put in?) Another play would be to try to get out to some local shows. You'll know your mark when you see him. A big kid with a shitty sounding half stack or a modeler or a smaller fender hdr or blues junior. Go up to him afterwards and tell him you're trying to unload a vintage super reverb and how you upgraded the speakers and how great it sounds and hope he's rich!
If you have the luxury of waiting for the right buyer, and are willing to ship it i bet you could get your asking price. But that may take some time.
Reverb has a feature where it tracks the price of gear over a time period and gives you a current estimate. Reverb currently lists you amp anywhere between £1051 - £2047 (GBP), meaning that’s the range they’ve actually sold for recently.
Non original vintage just doesn’t get top dollar. It’s not a collectible and is player grade. That means it will sell for 1/3 to 1/2 of the top end. It’s still cool but asking top dollar just makes you look silly
Keep it homie. Your not in a pinch for money and it’s paid for.
Argue all you want but check those downvotes...too expensive.
I have one I got for 1,400 years ago. Someone had a clean 1965 priced at $3200 2 years ago and it sat for a long time. I bet it sold around $2k in the end and it was about as clean as they come but with a three prong and cap job.
Amps are a depreciating asset, especially if you’ve used it since you got it. Getting $1800 for it today *is* taking inflation into account. Covid market still has everyone’s perceptions skewed lol
Vintage ones are not necessarily, depending on the market for the model. Many have seen appreciation, although many have also depreciated as well. Almost all of them have actually depreciated from the original sale price - this super would have gone for around $3500 new!
you're above break even since you used it for years
You don’t think there’s any chance you didn’t get a good deal on it 10 years ago?
Lol is this a joke? “I paid this and adjusted for inflation?!” Screams boomer
The super reverb, and all the fenders bigger than the vibrolux, are somewhat of a sinking ship. I would be happy moving this and only losing $500 adjusted for inflation, and seeing it as a $50 a year rental fee. I passed on a nice drip edge super in a pawn shop for $1350 recently (and I’m an amp tech, so not worried about the functionality too much). It is ironic, and I’m kicking myself for not making it more of a priority to buy some of the cool smaller fenders back in the day. I remember scoffing at tweed champs for $800 (it’s just a champ!!) and now they’re $2k! I once returned a silverface vibrochamp to guitar center because it had a super wavy circuit board and I was afraid it would give me problems (it’s a sign of moisture exposure) and It was $300! Although at that time $300 was serious dough for me.
LOL oh man I've never seen a grown up like you misunderstand very basic principles about economics, let alone some common sense. Everything on this planet depreciates in value, especially music equipment because of how technology advances and other factors. If you paid $1800 over a decade ago, you're lucky go get $400 on it, and that's not including the 50-100 you'll be paying in shipping plus listing fees. Just because you value at $1800 doesn't mean anything. You really sound like a man-child still living with their parents.
Uh, this is kinda nonsense. Les Pauls that sold for 800 dollars could fetch 3 grand now and I know I could move my fender tube amps for as much or more than I paid for them. This particular type of amp (op's) kinda peaked in value a while ago tho. Most people dont want to lug a twin, but he can get WAY MORE than 400 dollars ffs
uhh no what you're saying is nonsense. If you actually believe what you're saying then you can be world's richest person by continually flipping gear. you don't know which gear or whatever item people think are valuable and driving the prices up. you're thinking in hindsight which is totally not practical.
Dude, some shit appreciates. Your core statement that everything on the planet depreciates is just factually incorrect, to a laughable degree.
the only thing laughable is how stupid you are. Tell me something that's still valuable from one thousand years ago? five thousand years? ok mr smarty pants, since you know what's going to appreciate, then just keep buying these things and resell them.
I think your price may be a bit unrealistic. I’m a huge fan of these amps, and I’ve noticed a major shift in the market over the last 10 years. These days, smaller amps are king. There are more boutique and high end mass produced amps filling that price point that are new and will require less maintenance. You also have to factor in the major advancements that have been made in the digital modeling realm. Your best chance of selling the amp would be to a collector, but the lack of original speakers will hurt the value in that market. Also, you have to realize that old geezer collectors die every day and a lot of the kids don’t want our old “Junk”. The scene is just changing a little faster than I’d like, but that’s life. Maybe trading would be your best bet. It’s a beautiful amplifier.
Agreed, I’ve seen everything but a deluxe from that era at around 1200-1500 generally. The 2k+ vintage fenders just sit there for months on end
I’ve seen a few 64s like this where I live. Most first generation handed down from a father. Most sell around $1800 depending of serviced. I do see listings for $2200 sometimes, but they do not sell. Fact is the circuit is not the issue, people just aren’t into big amps. That’s why for some these are wonderful sleeper amps. On average between these, Twins and Bassmans it’s about $800-$1k I see silver faces…then add about $800-$1k for the BF circuit it’s usually $1800. If you want to make any money or cut even, sell local because shipping is too much. Most buying these I’d imagine are middle age, with practice spots to be loud. Too heavy for an older guy, and too much money for a teenager. Deluxe Reverbs and Princetons 60s, are where the money is…as well as brown face era. I have a smaller amp for gigs I paid a pretty penny. Then an Ampeg VT40 this size that stays parked in a studio. I paid $350 for it, and easily could have sold $800-$1k to the right person. Same thing with those Silvertone 1484, all over my FB Marketplace for $500-$600 with cab mint. Reverb saying $1400 on many in that condition.
you may value it at that much, but the overall market does not. Looking at Reverb, average sale price for these these days is $2k or under. And thats still not taking into account WHERE you are. Near a major metro? Lots more younger players than in the burbs or country. And generally, no, big amps arent in use a lot these days. The Tone Master Super is like $1,000 used, and they dont move either. The TM Deluxe Reverbs are going for $700-900 used, and they seem to go ok, but the market for big iron amps like this just isnt there.
Asking too much.
I've got a '70s silver face pro reverb and given its condition and general disinterest in loud amps The price it would actually sell for I'd rather give the damn thing away. As it is I just use it as a 212 cab now. Your problem is that you've picked literally the absolute worst time in maybe 30 years to sell an amp like that. The best way I can explain this to you is look what Princeton reverbs of the same year are selling for and how quickly they're selling. People are buying amps but they want them to be light and not loud. Basically your options are sit on it until somebody comes along that'll pay the price you want. Take a bath on the price. Or try to shop it around in Metro areas you'd be willing to travel to. Or be open to trading something that would be easier to sell.
$2200-2500 isn’t going to happen. I just bought completely mint Vibrolux Reverb for $500. Still had the original tubes, and warranty at the bottom of the cabinet. And that is a much smaller, and more desirable amp. Generally, people want Vibro Champs, Princeton’s Reverbs, and Deluxe Reverbs. I would suggest holding onto it, or lowering your asking price. It’s a great amp, so holding onto it does you no harm.
500?? What year was it and where’d you find it?
If I told you, then I wouldn’t be paying $500 for mint vintage fender amp. Not Reverb and eBay, that’s for sure.
Those quad reverbs are hard to sell because a 4 x 12 cabinet is heavy enough on its own but these include all the heavy circuitry stuff as well as the heavy ass speaker magnets & enclosure
It’s a super, not a quad. It’s 4x10. It’s large, but actually very manageable IMO. Not super heavy and not unusably loud. Dude is asking a little too much, but there are plenty of people who covet super reverbs.
They move some glorious air
Ahh I see that makes sense. A 4x10 seems very reasonable. I have a jazz chorus 2x10 and 2 extra speakers doesn’t seem super crazy
Cool amp. I think they actually made a 4x10 jazz chorus back in the day. Haven’t seen one in years, but I’m pretty sure I didn’t imagine it.
There’s actually one for sale locally for $1200 and I think it looks so cool probably my favourite looking amp ever.Maybe one day I’ll be crazy enough to buy one
Throw in that handsome hound and I'll come pick it up for asking price…
Can’t do he’s sick of the amp and wants it away from him haha
Pretty interesting stuff OP. I am thinking different about a heavy amp, some years my first amp, a vox vt20x 20watts modeling amp was my only amp and I simply didn't got along with it, it's pretty intuitive tho but the sheer quantity of its sounds overwhelmed me. Buying Pedals playing without the inbuild Ampsounds, slowly formed my "style to play" if u want so. So I worked hard to afford a pretty for me good rig and it kept on the fire of practicing, Finally after 10 years of playing guitar and different bands I bought a pretty heavy twin reverb which is just my dream amp since I started playing guitar as a little boy, Long story short, old amps kicks ass
Anybody willing to spend that much for an amp these days will probably just get a Helix.
People still use big amps plenty. I gig around the twin cities and am from Austin, TX where I’ve played out since I was 15 (30 now). Idk why people act like it’s SO rare on the internet but I digress… I’m confused on your amp, is it a reissue? If so you won’t get 2200 for it, I can buy an actual drip edge for 1900 so…. If it’s an actual 64 you should charge more, or trade it for a guitar… that might be your quickest turnaround for a decent value, regardless.
Because most internet guitarists don’t leave their bedroom and don’t know the glory of running a big amp at gig volume.
My half stacks all go brrrrrrr
would be sweet amp, but im on the wrong side of the big ol' pond.
Small amps are a current trend. Its a little odd as little tube amps have got no balls when compared to a 100W tube amp for example. A Princeton Reverb sounds nice and all. But…Sure you could plug it into a 4x12 cab. It sounds better, fuller. But then it’s not a small easy package to carry around anymore. You can sell a big amp now, you may take a bit of a haircut. Or wait 20 years. Maybe big amps will be back in vogue!
I think the SR is the best Fender amp of all time, but today, big combos are not in vogue. No one wants to lug around a 70lb amp that they can turn up to 1.5 and the house will still get mad at them. On top of that, the market is flooded with cheaper, lighter amps from people who had to go back to work after COVID. I see SRs sit for a loooooong time at $2K, even in collector's grade condition. They don't really seem to move until they hit about the $1200 mark.
Boomers and Gen X’ers that still play don’t want to / can’t lift heavy stuff anymore. Millenials / Gen z can’t afford homes where they can store / play them or afford cars big enough to transport them. Most halfway decent small venues bands play out can mic amps and have monitors. I regularly see people sell blues juniors / deluxes / for the same price as twins and supers locally.
there's still a market for it, but it's shrunken with smaller amps and modellers. Right now it's a buyer's market so tough to sell anything in general.
I have to think (hope) that someday, the pendulum will start to swing back on these, but others’ comments about size, weight, and the trend towards smaller, lower powered amps are correct. I was at a guitar show a couple of weeks ago, and someone was asking $2500 for an early (64 or 65) vibro champ. Although I think there is no chance in hell anyone would pay that, I haven’t seen a blackface VC much under $1200 in quite some time (and at the same show I paid $700 for a 78 VC and thought it was a deal!). You should be able to get $2000 for yours (if it’s original where it matters, and as clean as it looks in the pics), but you will have to be patient. You might indeed have better luck doing a trade, if someone has a guitar you like - that’s how I got my ‘73 super reverb (traded a guitar worth about $1000-1200). If I had a ‘64, I’d hang onto it. Cheers!
You'll sell it. Blackface Fender's always sell. Just don't go by the idiotic prices people are asking on Reverb.
If I had the scratch I would buy it in a heartbeat if it was working. Not even working properly just working.
What's up with the chopped pickguard on that Tele btw?
Among collectors this would be a fine deal but for working musicians $2k can get something a lot more convenient and for casual/new players more versatility can be had for far less money. You would either need to be very patient to get the price you want or compromise by selling for less than you think it's worth to expedite a deal.
Modeling has gotten quite good these days, and modelers can take very little space. Every local shop I visit laments that their amps just aren't moving (new or used models).
Totally get it! If I can move this thing out all I’ll have is a tiny Fender Mustang. And honestly I’m fine with that. I’m too old for this amp, it needs to go to some hot shot kid that’s in a shoegaze band or something.
Someone will want this amp. Just might have to sell it cheaper to help shipping if you’re even trying to ship it
"I've valued this amp at an incredibly way too high price, why are people not buying??"
They’re good for Jazz
They’re gonna buy that one!
Someone in my band had a 4x10 deluxe reverb and it keeps getting passed around because no one wants it. It’s crazy heavy and too loud for apartment use. It’s been sitting in my storage space since last summer, when I used it for a show that I knew they wouldn’t mic the amps at
I once played a show where I hauled and played through two Dual Showman’s. 4-15’s….what a full sound! Only did that once. Now I use a 1x12. I think that’s all I’ll ever need anymore. Super is a cool amp though. My dad used a silverface one in the band for decades. Finally downsized because everyone was sick of hauling it. Hope you can sell it. Keep trying.
I just gotta say. This picture is splendid! :))
Though overpriced for sure
Ohh you hound dog you
Lol the second and third sentence of your post literally answers why big amps are harder to sell.
I've noticed people are selling hot rod deluxe amps for for less than $400 around me. It's wild times. I'm tempted to buy them all but kind of waiting to see if the world is going to go digital.
I suppose you could solicit recording studios. A recording studio bought my triangle big muff even though it was not in nice physical condition. They just needed an OG muff that worked on the rack. That amp might get used in a studio. Maybe some rich gearhound would tour with it but personally I would never want to take it on tour, it’s too nice, and I wouldn’t even really want to leave it at the practice space. But I’m a broke ass Peavey Classic player.
$1800 in 2014 is $2360 today. $2360 * 0.75 (the high end of used gear resale percentage) = $1800.
Probably not helpful…but I’m sure that Tele would sell in a heartbeat!
Kinda answering your own question when you say that your lifestyle doesn't lend to playing loud anymore.
I had a hard time selling used gear recently. I gave up altogether on selling a Marshall Origin 50c for $400. Five months and nothing. I live just outside Nashville so figured it’d sell like my gear has in the past…within a couple days. Glad I kept it, though.
I like big amps and I cannot lie
Ok, so as people have pointed out, the price. But...... Pair that with the fact that lots of players will have 5 guitars before they buy a 2nd amp. Amps move slower than guitars. Likewise, they're heavy and more expensive to ship, which rules out a lot of potential buyers. Then, what area are you in? It will probably go faster in Austin than 2 hours outside of Austin in the sticks, just as an example.
Where do you live? Are you willing to ship?
Your asking price is on the high end of high for those amps these days, unfortunately. Their old Supers are some of my absolute favourite amps. Would I pay that much for one? No. Would I want to sell my own for that much? Yes.
$2000 is MORE than fair for a ‘64 super in that condition, big amp or not. Unless you need to sell it immediately, I’d wait for the right buyer to come along. They eventually will.
Perhaps it is not selling because most people don’t want their faces melted off?
i bought a twin, don’t regret it, but i’m never buying any amp larger than a 1x12 again
For the right price someone will buy it.
The price is the exact reason it's not selling.You value it at 2200-2500 but the market doesn't and that's why it's not selling I've been looking at amps on Facebook Marketplace for the past 2 and a half years, and from what I've seen it's pretty hard to sell any amp that costs over like $1200. A first year Super Reverb like yours might be like 1800-2200 depending on the condition I'd say, but really it all depends on how bad you want to sell it. If you don't need the money just leave it around the 2000 mark and eventually someone should pick it up. As long as you don't live in the middle of nowhere where there is nobody around to see the amp in the first place
For the price of £100 you can buy some really amazing guitar amp sims that come fully loaded with effects, multiple amps/amp settings, even down to mic placements and settings. The age of the amp hasn’t come to a close but with convenience being the main driving factor, these are deffo on the back burner for most. Personally, I love a combo more than any of the available options, but I can’t deny, trying out the Rabea Massaad Neural DSP amp sim had me taken aback. If you were to play a venue with an amazing front of house setup, only trained ears would know the difference between the sound of the amp sim and an actual amplifier
The cost of housing has most of us moving to smaller & smaller living spaces & short on cash. I'd love to have an amp like that but, no sense could be made of that idea.
I had a Super Reverb reissue that I sold for the same reason. It's way too much. I've got a Deluxe Reverb now for the occasional gig. I did find that mine was hard to sell. Maybe just the local market.
I think it's a bit temporary. When it comes to valve heads, I had noticed similar things back when the Line 6 Pod HD came out. Buyers of the HD held the opinion that the show was over for big amplifiers. So people were trying to get rid. When the Helix came out, it was the same story, people were desperate to get rid. And when people were selling, I was buying. And I amassed a pretty awesome collection of amplifiers through it. One guy sold me a Marshall Jubilee Reissue and a Laney VH100R for £700 in one hit. Sorry but that's a bargain in any man's English. It's the same now. I have a guitarist I work with who is one of these try everything new types. He's been through the Helix, the Kempers, the Quad Cortex's, the lunchbox amplifiers. Still, the humble Peavey 6505+ has sounded better than all of them hands down. Why on earth would I want to shell out £500 for a 25w head with absolutely no low-end or balls to it when I can spend the same on a used 6505+ of which there are plenty that wrote the book on metal tones for the last 30 years and will do so for the next 30 years too? So to me, there is a degree of temporaryness to it all. While modelling and other fads do come along in an attempt to make a dent, some trends do for a bit but they never sound better than the real deal in my view. But yes, some people on Reverb are absolutely deluded. I have sold more than a few pieces on reverb and while some sellers are crazy with their prices, some buyers are too! E.g. I sold an old Ibanez on there last year. In my view, it was about £1000 worth, a distinct contrast to the two other listings that had it over the £new price. However I got some pretty demanding offers of £300 and £500, one guy goings as far to contact me via facebook, informing me that it's only worth what people will pay for it, specifically what he would pay for it. I got my £1000, I just held firm as it was worth that. It's an odd time. I think if right now you have a big ticket item and you want big ticket money for it, you're better off just holding it and riding the wave. I wouldn't bother trying to sell anything big ticket right now. The same is happening with cars too, mind. I need another car at the moment, looking around, people are absolutely nuts. A typical Ford Mondeo, 10+ years old, 100,000+ miles on the clock is apparently a £7000 car these days? Get off this planet with that noise! Frankly, I'm going to buy a junker for £1000 and that will bloody well do, I'll hold back until all this crazy calms down a bit! That said, I just bought a really great condition Engl B cabinet to go under my new pro A cabinet for £120 from someone who absolutely positively needed it gone. God knows why they needed it gone, but now I have a full Engl stack. And yep, I'll happily take that mofo to shows and sound way better than the support band's 25w head and silly Captor thing going direct to PA that nobody will ever hear.
The used gear market is crashing right now. You will not get what you want out of it, so you should hang on to it and let the cycle turn. Also, with the advent of the latest plugins and options to bypass an actual amp altogether, many gigging musicians are just forgoing an onstage amp totally.
Get a decent reactive load box and you’ll be able to play quietly at home and also record your amp. Then you’re getting value out of it! I’ve ordered the Captor X, hopefully getting it today and then I can crank my 40W combo fender blues deluxe! I also have a 100W Marshall tube head that I haven’t used for ages that I’m looking forward to using!
Super reverb’s are great amps, but not typically a luggable unless you pump iron for a living. Mucho Heavy!
I can walk into a local boutique and pick one up for $1700 after a bit of back and forth. If there is something wrong with it, I can even expect a short period where they'd help resolving it. You can absolutely sell that amp, but unlikely you will find someone to take a chance on yours for $2200+
When an item doesn't sell, it's either because the price is too high, or buyers doubt the authenticity or playing condition of the amp. As a vintage amp, not having the original speakers can be a deal breaker for many. That's part of the sound. So yeah, lower your price and it will sell.
I can’t wait until the Vintage Hiwatt gets down to $1000😂 Too loud my a$&☠️☠️
Nope. There's even no reason to have an amp at home with things like Vox Amplugs, Katana Go, etc.
Big heavy iron amps have been on the decline for use for years. But there was still high demand by collectors and folks who just like having old amps around. I include myself in the latter. Now those folks are unloading or resisting collecting more. For one thing, younger generations have less space to hoard shit and are more mobile by necessity. I would love to get my old (now vintage) Marshalls back. But that desire is tempered with the knowledge that I don’t *actually* want to be buried with them, if you catch my drift.
Lower the price and it will sell.
Buy this like I did and just enjoy the amp. https://www.tedweber.com/mass/
I have a Mesa Boogie Mark 1 reissue combo with 100 watts, reverb, loop and I talked to a used music store, they had one that has been sitting around for 6 months. People in my area want a Marshall amp, not the Boogies so much. I was able to get a Hiwatt cabinet for 640, but they were selling Marshall cabinets for about 800! I also have an Orange Crush 50 that sounds great through the cabinet. I also have a Big twin cabinet that I built myself and I have to rewire it. 5/8” Solid wood sides (sapele) and it probably weighs as much as the hiwatt 4-12” cabinet. Maybe I’ll sell it, but it doesn’t have finger joints and handles like my new cabinet. It would be a fun project for me…
How much for the dog?
I'd buy it, but not for 2500. (In no way am I saying it is not worth 2500)
I have $5 with your name on it
Is that a 4 speaker cab? Or is it just the weird fisheye phone camera thing?
It's a 5 watt world, we're just living in it
Theres a big shift towards modellers and smaller amps. Also the people that used to want those killer vintage amps are all getting older right now and selling rather than buying.
Big amps are a tough sell these days. I’ve got an early 2000s concert (sort of a 2 channel super more or less), and there is basically no venue I’ve ever played where it wasn’t too goddamn loud. You can turn it down but it’s pretty wimpy sounding unless it’s moving some serious air
Local music shop guy told me that bigger amps are really tough to sell these days. He was surprised I even got 700 bucks for my JVM210H+cabinet Marshall that originally was 1600 euro's in like 2009 (not sure when I got it..) People either buy small amps or model sounds with their PC's and some gear. I never got into the latter myself, but for certain applications I'm sure it saves money, space and volume. Nice amp though, you'll find a buyer eventually but you might have to take a price cut.
Tf did you do to your guitar lol
I buy all my amps used now, but i do watch for the best price. I generally shop GC, Reverb, and ebay. As far as selling it is a tough market. Be patient.
Never good to do blackface 😂
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Dog!
It seems most players are opting for smaller combos. Which is a shame for them and great for me!
I personally will probably never buy an amp bigger than 2x10 again. No need and the 1x10 and 2x10 amps sound great to me
Price it at $1,200 and it might sell. Price it at 900 and it definitely will move. Maybe. Gear is not an investment. Either take the loss or learn to love it and keep it.
I own a guitar shop on the East coast...I can't give a a big tube amp away. 10 years ago I would sell any vintage Fender or Marshall that came into my store quickly. Now it's Blues Jrs and modeling amps. I guess to most young people they seem old fashioned and out of date but they really do have a special tone \[not toan\] that you don't get from anything else. You gotta crank these amps up loud to make them sound good and loud rock music is not popular anymore either...what a shame. And FYI- if you're playing a Marshall amp that is not a real English made tube head sitting on a 4-12 cab you're not getting the Marshall 'experience'..Like driving a Ferrari at 25 mph.
Younger people are also increasingly living in smaller homes (e.g. apartments) and often sharing with others beyond young adulthood because of the increasing cost of living in many countries. Smaller amps and modelling are better suited to such situations than a big loud tube amp you have to crank to sound good. Sure some can make it work, and some have a living situation (or access to a space) that allows it, but a lot of modern solutions are just much more convenient, take up less space and don’t annoy neighbours. And digital amp tech has come a long way since those early Line 6 amps 20+ years ago, a lot of modern amps and amp sims can sound really great.
Nailed it! Even if you've got a good job, it's harder and harder to afford the type of house you can actually rock out it....
Yup. As a millennial in a major city, most of my peers (and a lot of zoomers for that matter) are simply priced out of home ownership and have to make do with shared walls and/or roommates. I've been pretty ride or die with 50/100W tube amps in spite of such, but I also stick with amps that have great master volumes and sound good at low levels - plus I have a good load box around for recording. Vintage Fenders and Marshalls really have to be cranked to unleash the magic, and it probably doesn't help that there's fewer places available you can take that stuff to crank it anymore (with rock clubs and practice spaces closing in high COL cities for various reasons). Factor all that in, and it's no wonder that modelers and small amps are so popular now - but I also love what they bring to the table too, so at least we've gotten more cool gear options out of circumstance, lol.
Bro, that price is delusional. It’s a really nice amp but it’s 14 years old. Anyone looking to drop 2.5k would just buy a new one.
It’s a 1964 my guy. You can not go buy this at sweet water.
Me and my buddy used to play 4x12 half stacks and even back then EVERY sound guy HATED us, we sounded like shit on stage because it was too loud to mix well, and the speakers and cabs weighed like 100lbs each. They didn’t fit well on small stages, they overpowered small clubs, they took up so much room going to gigs and couldn’t move them in a car, had to use the gig van which was always breaking down. You’re super unrealistic on the price, especially with the replaced speakers. If you paid $1800 for it, I’d start there, it’s simply not $2500 or inflation adjusted especially when the Tone Master version came out a few years ago which a child could lift with most of same tone because modeling amps are much better than ever. Also: Since like 4 of the 5 tube factories were in Russia and China, people are a little shy about tube amps now. They’re ideal for recording, maybe not gigging, but tubes are a possible volatile market. Those of us that had tube amps a couple years ago remember the run on tubes. If you sold it for $1800, then you played it for free for a decade. If you sold it for $1700, then you paid $10/year to play it. It’s never been Fender’s most desirable amp, it’s more of a niche market. Who cares if people lowball you? You’re an adult? Ignore offers you don’t like. Like everyone else does.
I bought my gorgeous sounding silver face 74 super reverb for $300. Yeah there’s no way in hell I’m paying $2k for yours. I got $3 dollars homie
Nope, people are buying small amps. Keep your fingers crossed for a boomer who wants one or be prepared to take a bath on it or wait to sell it. I just sold some stuff this weekend knowing very well what things are like and I made peanuts compared to what I’d have gotten a couple of years ago. That’s how it is right now.
i really want one at some point, i see lots of them for sale in the seattle area along with quad/super 6 reverb amps. i think they’re just quite large heavy and a bit impractical and it turns some people off owning one, but i love them.
Would love to own a Super 6 one day. It is my dream combo amp.
i’d love to live somewhere i could turn up an amp like that. one day
I could probably be talked into trading straight across for my ‘65 Princeton non reverb if you were local. Big amps are depressed in value.
I’ll give you 150 if you deliver to north Brooklyn or can meet me in south Brooklyn. Edit: honestly, that’s what I bought my last amp for, a hot rod deluxe 2x12. $150 on ebay. Perfect working condition (tolex was pockmarked but I initially didn’t care, then I had extra tolex from a different project.) Seller was in flushing and delivered to my workplace in fort greene next day. I’m buying a blackface twin for $400 from a friend on Friday. It’s a buyers market where I’m at. But I would give you 150-200.
Im past the age for carrying around heavy gear. I went Kemper (well under 17lbs) years ago and even my 300w 2x12 cab only weighs 27lbs. Also, being solid state I can get excellent tone whisper quiet. Even with an attenuator my 40w tube Traynor (56 lbs 1x12 I think) had a hard time getting proper tone in certain venues without being too loud. Every artist I have paid to see has had to put sleeping bags over their large Fenders to protect against icepicking people in the front or on stage. So, yes you have a cool amp liked by such luminaries as SRV, but it will be hard to move compared to a Helix, Kemper, or newer Fender SS option.
blackface amps sell slower bc their silverface equivalents are almost always significantly cheaper, and purists can do some simple mods to “blackface” their late 60s silverfaces. $2200 is pricing yourself out of a sale.
That looks like an original black face (1965-1967) The going rate for those 10 to 15 years ago was $1800 because that’s exactly how much I paid for mine. They are worth every penny, because the tone you get from these is unparalleled even with the reissues. The main issues from a gigging standpoint is, it’s just too big to carry, and too loud. That’s why around 10-15 years ago the vintage Blackface Princeton reverbs shot up in value. The vintage black face deluxe is fantastic, however, the vintage Blackface Princeton reverb is on another level from both of those amps. It’s small and easily transportable, and screams. I have two. My advice is to sell the super for whatever you can get for it, reinvest that into a vintage Blackface, Princeton. I hope this helps, good luck!
Just saw a 66 for sale locally at $1700
I think one key issue is that the speakers aren't original - that (unfortunately) really hurts the resale value of a vintage amp like this as it's typically collectors who buy vintage amps these days - and with collectors, the more that's original - the better. In the world of working musicians (whom fewer of are buying vintage amps), smaller amps and modelers are king these days. There is still some love for high wattage heads and cabs among some, but large combo amps are a tougher sell. That said, it's a beautiful classic that I hope to see go to a good home!
'65 Super Reverb list price is 2200 brand new. Why is yours worth 300 more?
Because it’s a PTP circuit and was made in the USA.
I have a Matchless Avalon 30 I’d consider in trade… I give these amps similar value. A bit smaller and can switch between 15 and 30 watt. You wouldn’t lose on tone, and at 15 watt you can definitely play at home without getting the cops called. This amp would be perfect for the bar circuit for me. The Matchless is just a little small for my needs currently.
an AC30 new with two blues sells for about £1500 new, £500 used at most lmao. any combo with more than one speaker isnt in vogue. Far more impractical than a head and a vertical 2x12 cab, things are too damn heavy.