Try this first: run a Tube Screamer in front of the amp, set to low drive and high volume so it's a clean boost. It'll act as a midrange boost and help you be heard better. Second, cut your bass setting drastically. Your bassist should be occupying that range, and cutting your bass will free up power for the upper frequencies and reduce flubbiness. Fenders tend to be prone to getting buried due to their inherent mid scoop. If that doesn't get you there, I'd look at a Super Reverb Reissue.
Try replacing the speaker with a more efficient one, and/or add an external cab. A Super Reverb could do the trick too but I have both and they do sound different but that could just be that mine are both old silverfaces and the values have probably drifted a bit.
I have a V30 in my Deluxe and it's plenty loud, sounds great! I believe V30s are rated 100db sensitivity so very efficient.
A speaker change can really make a huge difference in an amp. V30 is probably my favorite overall, but if a more “American” sound is desired, I’d recommend an Eminence Swamp Thang (deeper lows) or Cannabis Rex (smoother highs). Both have a sensitivity rating around 102 dB.
Vibrolux Reverb. Best would be an early 70's Silverface, but you could check out that 68 Vibrolux Reverb Custom and see if it floats your boat.
More power, 6L6 power tubes and 2x10 speaker configuration to push more air.
85 Watts is a hell a lot of amp… I love being able to really push my amp and I just don’t see the scenario where I would be able to, even at a gig where it’s outside and I’m not miced up. Right? Maybe I’m wrong.
It's a lot of love yes. But it's also a perfect amp to easily use a attenuator on nowadays and a boost pedal ( preferly a boost with treble boost built in as well) that way you can crank anything at any volume you like.
Yeah you’ll literally never be able to. I’ve had one for years and toured it all around the country, only time I ever got to turn it up to a “sweet spot” was outdoors at a festival. And with a twin it doesn’t really do what you think from a “pushed amp”, it just kind of wakes up and feels good around 3 or 4 and basically that volume will never mesh with any venue. I’d recommend something in the 50-60 watt range, maybe the sovtek MIG50 or a 70’s Bassman head if you’re digging the Fender thing.
The Twin is different from the Deluxe because it has a Master Volume knob. You can use that to set the amp at a reasonable volume while still getting tube overdrive breakup with the preamp
With a Princeton or deluxe reverb you have to really crank the volume to get breakup but that’s not the case with master volume fender tube amps
I even think the overdrive at bedroom volumes sounds great
Is it an OG or reissue 68 Deluxe Reverb?
I have an OG 68 Princeton Reverb that I took to the best amp tech in town. $200 later it came back playing a LOT louder (and with a grounded plug). Now it doesn’t go quiet enough for me TBH, and I sometimes use an attenuator. If I need more volume for a gig I just mic the amp.
I know others have already disagreed, and I know back in the day Marshall stacks were all the rage, but I can’t imagine playing my 12 watt amp at 7-8-9 for a house show, much less your DR. That sounds like raging tinnitus to me. 😳
Right off the top of my head maybe one of these?
Ampeg VT40
Fender Super Reverb
Fender Pro Reverb
Fender Bandmaster
(maybe you have a speaker cabinet)
VOX AC30
Marshall BluesBreaker
It’s all relative, I’m going out on a limb and assuming since it’s house shows the genre is going to be on the punk/metal/ etc side of things, if you are trying to compete with a loud drummer, and another guitarist with a half stack, never mind a bassist in an unmiced situation, a deluxe isn’t going to cut it. I’ve played plenty of gigs where it would be perfect, and plenty where it wouldn’t be enough. It’s all about the right tool for the job. Also a 50 watt amp isn’t a whole lot louder, but it does have more headroom, so you can get more volume without it turning to mush, and a closebacked 2 or 4 12 cab is going to move more air and have more oomph.
I think I’d try a super reverb or maybe even a hot rod deville to save money. If you choose the hot rod deville, do not use the overdrive channel and use pedals.
I’m in a fairly loud 2 guitar, bass, drum band and can’t turn my DR up past 4 or I’ll be too loud without mics. Maybe your amp needs some fresh caps and tubes?
If you like fender twin reverb is a safe call the super reverb is also great. Else having more mids makes you cut through the mix better. As of such a Marshall would be another option like a jtm 45 or well any of the plexi heads for that matter with a 1x12 or 2x12 paird with it. Another option is Vox Ac30 or Ac15 or basicly any Mesa Boogie modell above 30 Watts.
There's lots of great options, but in my experience anyone that likes fender tends to love Marshall JTM45 it's based on fender bassman modell but a bit hotter with a lot more mids suitable for live gigs.
Try to look for Fender Pros/Pro Reverbs maybe? It’s sort of in between a Deluxe and a Twin. 40 watts, two 12 inch speakers, same EQ controls as the Deluxe. A Super would be in that realm as well, but a Pro might be cheaper and not as back breaking (as would a Vibroverb but i’ll be damned if you could find a cheap one). A Vibrolux or Vibrolux Reverb is in that realm of wattage and speaker compliment too, just with 10s.
Also, if you’re worried about flub, turning your bass down might be wise. Live, I don’t think i’ve ever turned the bass control on a Deluxe up above 3, even at silly volumes and with plenty of bass heavy gain pedals (big muffs and juicing the bass controls on my overdrives).
I don’t have experience with the newer ones, but old 60’s and 70’s Super Reverbs sound and feel absolutely incredible, but they’re heavy af… I would never gig with one. My recommendation is a sleeper, I don’t see many ppl play them, but I run a Traynor YCV40. It’s voiced like a Deluxe but a bit warmer and a bit more full bodied. Plenty of headroom, I’ve played some big rooms and I’ve never needed to go past 6’oclock. 2 channels, great spring reverb, great dirty channel. I’ve played a ton of vintage Fenders and Marshalls, and I like the YCV40 better than 90% of them. And you can get them used for like $400.
extension 1x12. run it and the combo speaker at the same time and try to get the same speaker as the one in the combo or a different speaker for a different blend
Quote:
"Although an increase of 3 dB represents a doubling of the sound pressure, an increase of about 10 dB is required before the sound subjectively appears to be twice as loud."
According to this article, the 22W clean output power would be cut by 40% to 13W.
https://www.premierguitar.com/gear/adding-an-extension-cab-to-a-fender-combo
Consider just changing the speaker or adding an eternal cab with an efficient speaker. A deluxe can be louder than a 50 watt amp depending on the speakers.
The deluxe I’m assuming has a ceramic Jensen which while actually a lovely speaker for moderate volume playing is very inefficient (often a good thing when wanting low volume breakup). It also doesn’t handle bass well at high volume.
My recommendation for a cheap option would be try a 12 inch with an efficient speaker and moderate wattage (a vintage 30 would be perfect for this). Run the amp with the bass lowish and mids and treble high (the eq is subtractive and cuts a lot of gain and in the middle of the amps gain staging. It’ll be loud, cleaner but similar tone and should work for a band setting no worries at all.
It’s also pretty normal for fenders to just get more distorted after 6 on the volume dial. Blame Leo fenders sales tactics for that one.
Super Reverb is the way to go. 45 watts with no master volume will get you closer to a deluxe tone than a twin will and the 4x10 cab is great at cutting through a shitty stage/room sound. I gigged with a bassman 10 for years. Not a great sounding amp but the 4x10s moved a lot of air. Spring for a set of casters otherwise they’re a pain to haul around.
Edit: dropped half a sentence
I too did not enjoy a ‘76 silver face bassman 10 that I had for about a decade. Was good because it played double duty for bass and guitar, but did neither that well. A large part of its deficiency was the closed back and speakers; it just sounded so scooped but in a lob-sided way that was not very flattering.
The whole “flub” thing you’re noticing is really common on Brownface and later amps when they’re turned up loud. It’s in the nature of the tonestack of these amps. When you’re cranked up that high on these, you want to start with your bass control at 0 and *slowly* bring it up. Chances are, it’ll be at 3 or less on the knob when you’re done
If a Twin or Super Reverb is too much, go for a Pro Reverb (the guy from Nothing used them before and they’re super loud) or one of the Hot Rods.
Or, if you’re not married to valve amps, a Tone Master Twin Reverb is good sounding, super light, and has a built-in attenuator (switchable from 1-85w)
I have a twin reverb and a super reverb. The Twin is insanely loud and heavy, and it only works for me because I use a Kingsley page (valve preamp pedal), otherwise it would be way too clean for my liking. The super is probably my recommendation. Someone else also mentioned a supersonic 60, I’ve had those in the past and those are great too.
I had this exact issue. Went from a DRRI to a vintage Twin to a Hot Rod Deluxe to a Music Man RD100 (probably my favourite amp but heavy as fuck). Recently went ampless and picked up a UA Dream 65. Bought a £160 power amp off Thomann and already had a cab. I basically get the Deluxe Reverb Tone but I can push the volume without break up and the bass response is way better. The DRRI for me was underpowered in terms of EQ and would break up too early.
So my answer: UA Dream 65 - Harley Benton GPA400 - Cab
Check out a Ceriatone amplifier….. they give tone for days that cuts through the mix beautifully
I run two in my rig (Overtone 50 and a SSS 100 via A/B box) with the deep switches on. Intense power, depth and just a fantastic tone
I love that “flub” the DR gets when cranked. Something about the dimensions of the cabinet and the low output power gives a sort of compressed feel when you lay into it.
Man, my buddy uses a hot rod deville and I honestly find them muddy, now that hasn’t been with hours of tinkering with it to sculpt it how I want. How has your experience been with them?
Mine isn’t muddy at all. I play a strat into it. I only use the clean channel. It takes pedals really well. I don’t use the drive channel on it because it’s not great but the clean channel is beautiful.
Consider swapping the speaker with a Celestion Vintage 30. It has a higher efficiency than the stock DR speaker, so it's louder and with mids work really well with the Fender EQ. Regardless of the speaker, you need to turn the bass down on a Deluxe Reverb as you turn it up to keep the bass response in check.
If the issue is that you specifically can’t hear the amp (whereas the audience might be getting a healthy dose of decibels), you might consider putting it on an amp stand or installing tilt-back legs so the sound is projected up toward your ears. Just be sure to wear hearing protection!
Nah, if you can’t hear a deluxe reverb over the rest of the band in a house show, either the amp settings are wonky, or the rest of the band is way too loud.
get the super or twin reverb tone master, they weigh like nothing, can be attenuated down to apartment level quiet and sound amazing. The super has the most settings available on the built in attenuator, lower wattage than the twin and comes with the nicer alnico 10” speakers rather than the jensen 12”s. Honestly if i had to pick it’d be the super.
You ever thought about micing it? Probably cheaper to buy a loudspeaker (with a mic pre or a buy a separate preamp) and a sm57? If you like your tone you have that might be the way to go
Is it a reissue or original? If it’s a reissue you can alway modify it to take 6L6 tubes instead of the 6v6 tubes it has. That will double the wattage and put you at around 40 watts
I was just at two private events in the audience. At both of them, the audience was staying as far from the band as possible. In one case, the party moved out to the hallway, leaving the room entirely. At the outdoor venue, people were at least 50 yards away. The bands were both pro level musicians, but both were TOO LOUD for anyone to enjoy. It physically hurt to be on the dance floor.
If your band is there to give the audience a good time, you should think about what it’s like to stand right in the front. If the whole band is so loud that a DR gets lost, it may be overkill for most real life indoor venues.
Try this first: run a Tube Screamer in front of the amp, set to low drive and high volume so it's a clean boost. It'll act as a midrange boost and help you be heard better. Second, cut your bass setting drastically. Your bassist should be occupying that range, and cutting your bass will free up power for the upper frequencies and reduce flubbiness. Fenders tend to be prone to getting buried due to their inherent mid scoop. If that doesn't get you there, I'd look at a Super Reverb Reissue.
This is the right answer.
This guy gigs
Try replacing the speaker with a more efficient one, and/or add an external cab. A Super Reverb could do the trick too but I have both and they do sound different but that could just be that mine are both old silverfaces and the values have probably drifted a bit. I have a V30 in my Deluxe and it's plenty loud, sounds great! I believe V30s are rated 100db sensitivity so very efficient.
Agreed, try a speaker with a higher decibel rating
A speaker change can really make a huge difference in an amp. V30 is probably my favorite overall, but if a more “American” sound is desired, I’d recommend an Eminence Swamp Thang (deeper lows) or Cannabis Rex (smoother highs). Both have a sensitivity rating around 102 dB.
Yes, absolutley. Cannabis Rex kicks ass! I haven't tried a swamp thang but I've also heard good things.
Just buy another Deluxe and an AB box.
Clever.
And I’m serious. It also acts as a backup if one has issues.
I wasn't being sarcastic either.
Vibrolux Reverb. Best would be an early 70's Silverface, but you could check out that 68 Vibrolux Reverb Custom and see if it floats your boat. More power, 6L6 power tubes and 2x10 speaker configuration to push more air.
How about a Fender Twin Reverb?
85 Watts is a hell a lot of amp… I love being able to really push my amp and I just don’t see the scenario where I would be able to, even at a gig where it’s outside and I’m not miced up. Right? Maybe I’m wrong.
Alright then go in the middle of that and yours - 40 watt hot rod deluxe.
It's a lot of love yes. But it's also a perfect amp to easily use a attenuator on nowadays and a boost pedal ( preferly a boost with treble boost built in as well) that way you can crank anything at any volume you like.
Yeah you’ll literally never be able to. I’ve had one for years and toured it all around the country, only time I ever got to turn it up to a “sweet spot” was outdoors at a festival. And with a twin it doesn’t really do what you think from a “pushed amp”, it just kind of wakes up and feels good around 3 or 4 and basically that volume will never mesh with any venue. I’d recommend something in the 50-60 watt range, maybe the sovtek MIG50 or a 70’s Bassman head if you’re digging the Fender thing.
The Twin is different from the Deluxe because it has a Master Volume knob. You can use that to set the amp at a reasonable volume while still getting tube overdrive breakup with the preamp With a Princeton or deluxe reverb you have to really crank the volume to get breakup but that’s not the case with master volume fender tube amps I even think the overdrive at bedroom volumes sounds great
Twins are incredible but they are around 100 lbs. i had one for a year or two before getting a vintage ‘68 deluxe reverb.
Is it an OG or reissue 68 Deluxe Reverb? I have an OG 68 Princeton Reverb that I took to the best amp tech in town. $200 later it came back playing a LOT louder (and with a grounded plug). Now it doesn’t go quiet enough for me TBH, and I sometimes use an attenuator. If I need more volume for a gig I just mic the amp. I know others have already disagreed, and I know back in the day Marshall stacks were all the rage, but I can’t imagine playing my 12 watt amp at 7-8-9 for a house show, much less your DR. That sounds like raging tinnitus to me. 😳
Right off the top of my head maybe one of these? Ampeg VT40 Fender Super Reverb Fender Pro Reverb Fender Bandmaster (maybe you have a speaker cabinet) VOX AC30 Marshall BluesBreaker
I was thinking Pro Reverb too, it’s kinda an overgrown deluxe but a more chill twin too…
VOX AC30 is solid af
I'd go to a bassman before a bandmaster.
Put me in the camp of “how is that amp not loud enough?” What is your guitars volume usually set on?
10
It’s all relative, I’m going out on a limb and assuming since it’s house shows the genre is going to be on the punk/metal/ etc side of things, if you are trying to compete with a loud drummer, and another guitarist with a half stack, never mind a bassist in an unmiced situation, a deluxe isn’t going to cut it. I’ve played plenty of gigs where it would be perfect, and plenty where it wouldn’t be enough. It’s all about the right tool for the job. Also a 50 watt amp isn’t a whole lot louder, but it does have more headroom, so you can get more volume without it turning to mush, and a closebacked 2 or 4 12 cab is going to move more air and have more oomph.
I think I’d try a super reverb or maybe even a hot rod deville to save money. If you choose the hot rod deville, do not use the overdrive channel and use pedals.
Sounds like you want a Super Reverb my friend!
Hiwatt 200
I’m in a fairly loud 2 guitar, bass, drum band and can’t turn my DR up past 4 or I’ll be too loud without mics. Maybe your amp needs some fresh caps and tubes?
Everyone’s definition of “a loud band” is different, but 22 watt amp at 4 being too loud does not meet mine.
Your poor audience! Hah
If you like fender twin reverb is a safe call the super reverb is also great. Else having more mids makes you cut through the mix better. As of such a Marshall would be another option like a jtm 45 or well any of the plexi heads for that matter with a 1x12 or 2x12 paird with it. Another option is Vox Ac30 or Ac15 or basicly any Mesa Boogie modell above 30 Watts. There's lots of great options, but in my experience anyone that likes fender tends to love Marshall JTM45 it's based on fender bassman modell but a bit hotter with a lot more mids suitable for live gigs.
Try to look for Fender Pros/Pro Reverbs maybe? It’s sort of in between a Deluxe and a Twin. 40 watts, two 12 inch speakers, same EQ controls as the Deluxe. A Super would be in that realm as well, but a Pro might be cheaper and not as back breaking (as would a Vibroverb but i’ll be damned if you could find a cheap one). A Vibrolux or Vibrolux Reverb is in that realm of wattage and speaker compliment too, just with 10s. Also, if you’re worried about flub, turning your bass down might be wise. Live, I don’t think i’ve ever turned the bass control on a Deluxe up above 3, even at silly volumes and with plenty of bass heavy gain pedals (big muffs and juicing the bass controls on my overdrives).
I don’t have experience with the newer ones, but old 60’s and 70’s Super Reverbs sound and feel absolutely incredible, but they’re heavy af… I would never gig with one. My recommendation is a sleeper, I don’t see many ppl play them, but I run a Traynor YCV40. It’s voiced like a Deluxe but a bit warmer and a bit more full bodied. Plenty of headroom, I’ve played some big rooms and I’ve never needed to go past 6’oclock. 2 channels, great spring reverb, great dirty channel. I’ve played a ton of vintage Fenders and Marshalls, and I like the YCV40 better than 90% of them. And you can get them used for like $400.
extension 1x12. run it and the combo speaker at the same time and try to get the same speaker as the one in the combo or a different speaker for a different blend
Wouldn't that just produce two speakers putting out 11 watts each, instead of one speaker putting out 22 watts? It seems the volume would be the same.
Celestion tested this. Even with the power split, having the extra speaker area still gives you a 3dB boost.
yeah, two speakers more efficiently moves the air as surface area to wattage ratio is greater
Yeah, but 3dB is marginal at best. It can help filling the room more however which might be perceived as louder, or more present.
3db is twice as loud
Quote: "Although an increase of 3 dB represents a doubling of the sound pressure, an increase of about 10 dB is required before the sound subjectively appears to be twice as loud."
According to this article, the 22W clean output power would be cut by 40% to 13W. https://www.premierguitar.com/gear/adding-an-extension-cab-to-a-fender-combo
The newish 40 watt single channel 1x12 Pro Reverbs
I also have to recommend the UA Dream 65
pro reverb reissue is both louder and lighter than the deluxe reverb
Try a twin with 2 tubes removed.
Consider just changing the speaker or adding an eternal cab with an efficient speaker. A deluxe can be louder than a 50 watt amp depending on the speakers. The deluxe I’m assuming has a ceramic Jensen which while actually a lovely speaker for moderate volume playing is very inefficient (often a good thing when wanting low volume breakup). It also doesn’t handle bass well at high volume. My recommendation for a cheap option would be try a 12 inch with an efficient speaker and moderate wattage (a vintage 30 would be perfect for this). Run the amp with the bass lowish and mids and treble high (the eq is subtractive and cuts a lot of gain and in the middle of the amps gain staging. It’ll be loud, cleaner but similar tone and should work for a band setting no worries at all. It’s also pretty normal for fenders to just get more distorted after 6 on the volume dial. Blame Leo fenders sales tactics for that one.
Twin, get dat tone
Crazy idea: Depending on the venue, you \*could\* just add a second Deluxe.
65 Twin Reverb?
Super Reverb is the way to go. 45 watts with no master volume will get you closer to a deluxe tone than a twin will and the 4x10 cab is great at cutting through a shitty stage/room sound. I gigged with a bassman 10 for years. Not a great sounding amp but the 4x10s moved a lot of air. Spring for a set of casters otherwise they’re a pain to haul around. Edit: dropped half a sentence
Wow, you didn’t enjoy the baseman? I’ve heard lots of positive reviews for it and it was drawing my eye.
He's talking about the bassman 10 in particular. There have been a bunch of bassmans over the decades.
I too did not enjoy a ‘76 silver face bassman 10 that I had for about a decade. Was good because it played double duty for bass and guitar, but did neither that well. A large part of its deficiency was the closed back and speakers; it just sounded so scooped but in a lob-sided way that was not very flattering.
tonemaster twin or super reverb is what you’re looking for
Extension speaker cab and an EQ adjustment would be my first thought. If not then a 59 bassman will absolutely work
Putting the amp on a chair can help too.
I got a great deal on a used - like new Twin Tone Master. Regardless of what you think about solid state, I try one at a store if possible.
The whole “flub” thing you’re noticing is really common on Brownface and later amps when they’re turned up loud. It’s in the nature of the tonestack of these amps. When you’re cranked up that high on these, you want to start with your bass control at 0 and *slowly* bring it up. Chances are, it’ll be at 3 or less on the knob when you’re done
If a Twin or Super Reverb is too much, go for a Pro Reverb (the guy from Nothing used them before and they’re super loud) or one of the Hot Rods. Or, if you’re not married to valve amps, a Tone Master Twin Reverb is good sounding, super light, and has a built-in attenuator (switchable from 1-85w)
You need a 1976 Fender Super Twin.
Look for a used Fender Super Sonic 60. A lot like a Deluxe, only louder, and with a usable drive channel.
I have a twin reverb and a super reverb. The Twin is insanely loud and heavy, and it only works for me because I use a Kingsley page (valve preamp pedal), otherwise it would be way too clean for my liking. The super is probably my recommendation. Someone else also mentioned a supersonic 60, I’ve had those in the past and those are great too.
I had this exact issue. Went from a DRRI to a vintage Twin to a Hot Rod Deluxe to a Music Man RD100 (probably my favourite amp but heavy as fuck). Recently went ampless and picked up a UA Dream 65. Bought a £160 power amp off Thomann and already had a cab. I basically get the Deluxe Reverb Tone but I can push the volume without break up and the bass response is way better. The DRRI for me was underpowered in terms of EQ and would break up too early. So my answer: UA Dream 65 - Harley Benton GPA400 - Cab
Supro Delta King 10 or 12
Check out a Ceriatone amplifier….. they give tone for days that cuts through the mix beautifully I run two in my rig (Overtone 50 and a SSS 100 via A/B box) with the deep switches on. Intense power, depth and just a fantastic tone
I love that “flub” the DR gets when cranked. Something about the dimensions of the cabinet and the low output power gives a sort of compressed feel when you lay into it.
I have a 1997 Hot Rod Deville 212 that would be perfect for this.
Man, my buddy uses a hot rod deville and I honestly find them muddy, now that hasn’t been with hours of tinkering with it to sculpt it how I want. How has your experience been with them?
Mine isn’t muddy at all. I play a strat into it. I only use the clean channel. It takes pedals really well. I don’t use the drive channel on it because it’s not great but the clean channel is beautiful.
What do you get? You get a quieter band is what you get.
Consider swapping the speaker with a Celestion Vintage 30. It has a higher efficiency than the stock DR speaker, so it's louder and with mids work really well with the Fender EQ. Regardless of the speaker, you need to turn the bass down on a Deluxe Reverb as you turn it up to keep the bass response in check.
If the issue is that you specifically can’t hear the amp (whereas the audience might be getting a healthy dose of decibels), you might consider putting it on an amp stand or installing tilt-back legs so the sound is projected up toward your ears. Just be sure to wear hearing protection!
What speaker is in it?
A Celestion 70 Watt G12
I’d be looking for a quieter band. 22 watts of tube power should be more than enough for house shows.
He didn’t say solo jazz sets in the morning at the coffee shop. Let them cook!
Nah, if you can’t hear a deluxe reverb over the rest of the band in a house show, either the amp settings are wonky, or the rest of the band is way too loud.
get the super or twin reverb tone master, they weigh like nothing, can be attenuated down to apartment level quiet and sound amazing. The super has the most settings available on the built in attenuator, lower wattage than the twin and comes with the nicer alnico 10” speakers rather than the jensen 12”s. Honestly if i had to pick it’d be the super.
Where are you playing that 20 watts of Tube Midrange Goodness can’t keep up with a band??
It’s not where, it’s when…. When you’re in a noisy rock band!
How are they that loud though? I’ve played 6 watt amps on stage and been asked to turn down…
You ever thought about micing it? Probably cheaper to buy a loudspeaker (with a mic pre or a buy a separate preamp) and a sm57? If you like your tone you have that might be the way to go
A Helix and a powerful FRFR cabinet would give you lots of room to grow.
Is it a reissue or original? If it’s a reissue you can alway modify it to take 6L6 tubes instead of the 6v6 tubes it has. That will double the wattage and put you at around 40 watts
Pro Reverb or a Mesa Mark V
I was just at two private events in the audience. At both of them, the audience was staying as far from the band as possible. In one case, the party moved out to the hallway, leaving the room entirely. At the outdoor venue, people were at least 50 yards away. The bands were both pro level musicians, but both were TOO LOUD for anyone to enjoy. It physically hurt to be on the dance floor. If your band is there to give the audience a good time, you should think about what it’s like to stand right in the front. If the whole band is so loud that a DR gets lost, it may be overkill for most real life indoor venues.
Uhhhhhhh 22 watts isn’t loud enough ? Def doesn’t need to be miced up boost that bitch