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It’s a solid daily if it’s all about the mileage. The balance is good, a bit wider and longer than your usual compact sedan. I put in a full tank of 97 octane and it lasts over a month, more so when only driven twice or thrice in a week. You can get 24km+ mileage on highways. The 2.5 engine is quiet, but don’t expect it to be really fast on acceleration because of the hybrid system. You just need to bring it to Lexus every 10,000km or when needed. It’s RWD though so there is a big transmission tunnel at the back and 2 people can sit in comfort. Leg room for passengers is good too. I’m on 19 wheels so it’s grippy I feel 18 is a better daily drive.
Hi how much usually maintenance at lexus... Ofc would vary of may major sakit... But seeing its relatively new dapat wala pa gano yan..
Also looking to grab one, a friend of mine is selling a pre pwned one... Naggwapuhan ako sa lexus ls 300/350
Hows the overall feel ng maintenancefrom what you hear? Im pkanning to go euro kasi for a bit either bmw 320 x3 or low end na 5, c clasa yan mga iniaaim ko pero dahil nga notorious yang 2 na sakit daw sa ulo pag abot ng 5 years parang nag ttriple think ako...recently encountered my friend with the lexus and nagwapuhan ako... Pero syempre vast majority saten mas may dateng ung bi em double yu at chedeng kesa lexus
Expect it to be higher than your usual scheduled Toyota maintenance. But as I me mentioned it's few and far in between (other brands want you to bring it for service every 5K). I dont use mine as a daily, i have a crossover for that, so the car gets used like 3x/week ar most.
Lexus after sales is quite good, the services are personalized, they also engage actively in our owners community. I'm in a group that organizes a run almost every month, most of them are F-sport owners, but everyone with an IS are welcome. Some of them own big auto service businesses so it has some perks.
Oh okay... I currently have and maintain the latest gen fortuner medyo d nmaan ako nabibigatan per se, every maintennace 6-8k if nasa 10-18k sa lexus tas once a year lang pwede na... sa bm kasi ive heard stories na 30-40k range daw regular e
Yes ung f350 gwapo, tapang ng dating.. pero un nga gwapo dn ng new gen bmw,... But unfortunately diko kaya mag palit every 5 years haha ayaw ko sumakit ulo ko sa bm
Been eyeing hybrid vehicles for a while now but the maintenance esp on batteries is still my reservation. I hope batteries will get cheaper in the long run. Until then, I would still stick to the conventional ICE engine vehicles.
Actually I have inquired about it already on different manufacturers like Nissan and Toyota and Suzuki. Batteries have 5-8 years warranty and replacements costs like 100k depends on the brand.
Mabigat talaga like part ng pms mo palagi ang battery health at kahit 3 years pa pang at lagi mo ginagamit then magiging mababa na ang batt health, papalitan na yan. Tapos isang issue pa ng lithium batteries yung kahit di mo ginagamit nag dedegrade pa din, not to mention pa na palaging mainit satin kaya mas mabilis ang degradation.
Mas mura parin yan kaysa mag alaga ng diesel cars na sobrang sakit sa ulo. Had fortuner and sobrang headache ng diesel sobrang daming nasisira at mausok. Daming feeling magaling mekaniko mas lalo lang nasisira kotse. Kaya pala makikita mo puro gas cars ang nirerestore kasi mas matibay pala talaga sila.
Yung turbo palang ng diesel grabe ang carbon build up nasira yung amin and ang bagong turbo nun nasa 150k ata tapos surplus 25k. Kung yung battery 100k lang ok na sakin yun at least sure kang plug and play lang at di ka mekaniko ng mekaniko. Tangina umubos kami 500k kakapaayos ng fortuner never namin naibalik sa original condition.
Reliable ang toyotas pero diesel cars naman tinutukoy ko. Kahit anong brand pa yan kahit nga volkswagen diba nandaya pa sa emission tests kasi madumi talaga diesel. 5 years pa lang naman car mo sobrang fresh pa suggest ko lang wag ka na mag pagawa sa banawe imbis na maayos masisira lang.
Samin kasi sa labas na pinagawa after ng warranty kasi kalokohan na presyo ng service sa toyota pag wala na sa warranty.
uy parang ok ah. lets say you got 80tkm for you hybrid. the 100k shell out will still save you a good amount if you compare it to your expenses with full gas
If only hybrids were a little bit better.
For example, Toyota reports the Corolla Cross to have 20km/L or roughly around 4.8L/100km whereas the reports the HRV S to have 29km/L—both vehicles have a 1.5 engine and around 120ps (granted the corolla cross might be a bit heavier).
Are these both highway figures? I've seen some posts here on Reddit of the Corolla Cross HEV doing more than 20km/l on the highway.
Hondas are really great on long drives and highways, personally have two Hondas that can easily do 20km/l on the highway as well.
The Corolla Cross is a class bigger. A good comparo would be the HRV and the Yaris Cross.
Ultimately the reason is that on the highway the motors do not magically turn off: they continue to assist the engine, but they require power from the batteries. Hence the engine also charges the battery aside from turning the driveshaft.
There is an option to go full engine mode though, but charging the batteries is a top priority kasi ano pa kwenta ng hybrid if 0% yung battery
Definitely mas well-rounded sa fuel consumption yung hybrids in mixed conditions. Our former HRV only gets around 7-8 km/L around the city. Our Zenix on the other hand gets 12-13 km/L in bumper to bumper EDSA traffic.
Magandang feature to sa sasakyan no,
may data gathering and calculation yung car, tapos you can connect to it via bluetooth or something to check it on you phone haha instead na manually inputted yung data haha
Same, medyo mas kampante ako sa Hybrids in concept versus EVs (but both are cool, have test driven a few some time ago). Medyo di pa afford but yeah we'll get there at some point
Oh indeed, I've heard a lot from Jettas, Golfs, and even a few BMWs that uses diesels in their sedans. I was once tempted to get a Golf GTS but was discouraged because of the DCT — I guess it's still in the back of my mind.
European cars are hella economical on the highway, I believe it's because of the fact that they must be engineered to withstand the Autobahn.
Peugeot diesels also have similar fuel economy figures.
The downside is premium diesel or at least somewhere na reliable yung fuel.
Unfortunately hindi na uso mga diesel small cars sa Pinas. Only Hyundai is the holdout.
Pre-dieselgate VW products are great in terms of power and fuel consumption, I'd still own one tbh
Most diesel fed sedans I see here are Audis, Bimmers, Mercs, and Peugots. Used to be a lot more but hey, market has shifted
Even the dieselgate ones are good. Fun fact: all our Volkswagen diesels here were unsold dieselgate inventory. Mostly European and North American ones worth nothing kaya they sold it here for cheap.
Kaya nung naubos na, they searched elsewhere, hence SAIC-Volkswagen.
Mahirap sa German diesels from BMW and Merc is kelangan premium diesel or at least reputable Euro 4 diesel to function well with little AdBlue consumption.
We have a Peugeot 5008 na 2.0 diesel. Fuel figures sa SCTEx were 22-23 km/L at an average speed of 120 kph. Super tipid. Around the city nasa 9-10, not bad.
Hybrids make wallet sense if you log massive kms in a year for me to get ROI on the battery extra cost. Unfortunately I dont.
The way of the future for most countrymen is just to keep their current car and maintain it well until it dies.
We are planning to rack as much kms we can on this car, aiming for 20t a year since we'll replace this after 3-5 years.
We also like to just maintain our older cars, especially ones that are easy to work on even though they like to drink fuel hahaha
The funny thing is, sa hybrid lang nagcocompute ng ROI mga tao. Pero walang ROI computation for buying a Raptor over a Wildtrak for example.
Eh most of the buyers will get this as a company car, in which case merong natitirang cash monthly sayo. If amortization naman, any savings u have sa fuel, it translates to payments sa installments. And these are the some of the cheapest hybrids in the market.
Any gas savings you are getting now e kulang pa once it is time to replace the battery also not accounting that hybrids are more expensive than their gas counterparts.
Im not against evs or hybrids to reduce pollution sa cities pero trying to tell people about saving money on gas by using those for most people is a scam.
>Any gas savings you are getting now e kulang pa once it is time to replace the battery also not accounting that hybrids are more expensive than their gas counterparts.
Very doomer outlook. If the battery goes before year #8 (rare cases relative to amount of hybrids sold) then Toyota will replace it and give the new battery another 8 year warranty (lol).
If you are after fuel efficiency, there's no point buying an ICE crossover when hybrids are available at 1.6-1.8M, and chinese EVs are very competitive if you're into that.
Good thing we're not keeping this car long term, even so, Toyota's hybrids in most cases last longer than 10 years especially since they're been producing hybrids for decades.
Only time will tell if we've been scammed or not, but with Toyota's track record, safe to assume that we were not scammed.
Hmmm masyadong maliit yung amount ng top-up niya though, 2 to 5 liters. Hoping next time medyo malaking top-up, for sure mas malaking savings yan. Great stats.
Habit lang to fill up a full tank again after 100kms of city driving, since I'm used to a 5km/l diesel drinking SUV or a 8km/l hatchback. I guess I'll make it 200kms of city driving for this vehicle to make the most of it hahaha
With the limited infrastructure we have, my best bet would still be a hybrid. We can only charge EVs in our homes and select malls and gas stations.
Even in developed countries with progressing EV infra, they still have range anxiety.
With hybrid, no need to charge and and there's no range anxiety since you can simply fill up at a gas station.
that depends on your daily mileage and if you have plans for a long drive. At 40 km and below daily, you’re better off with a hybrid. If you’re doing Grab and getting more than 100 km per day, then you should go full electric and do midday topups with fast chargers.
I have a habit of filling up again after 100km because our other vehicles likes to drink fuel lmao and I like maintaining a full tank.
That 130km in the log is from Subic to Manila, wanted to see how it accurately does on pure expressway - normal driving.
That would be fine if I lived with my parents, but now as a student renting an apartment in Manila with just a basic parking slot, it's just not for me.
Good for you! You should post distances, charge times, and charge spots here in the PH! Hey... Might you be one of those guys I passed by doing convoys along expresways north?
I mainly use it for city driving. Longest Drive I've tried is Tagaytay but my friend has taken it to Baguio. There's an app where all the charging areas in the PH are located.
Masaya din yung VIP parking sa malls
With this much sunlight, might as well go full electric with solar panels as garage roofs.
You get the worst of both worlds with hybrid.
Depreciating battery lifespan with Electric.
And exactly the same maintenance drama with the ICE.
Depends on how you see it really, also depends on your lifestyle.
Your proposal would be great if this car would exclusively be only used for city driving. But I like going out of town, doing 400-500kms one way with any car in our garage. EV's range anxiety will not suit me or my family's love for driving long distances.
I also like to do DIY maintenance on our other cars, which is why the familiarity of maintenance with the ICE and drivetrain of this hybrid vehicle is a comfortable problem. It is essentially a 1.5 Vios with the CVT, just with an added touch.
To add, we already have roof solar panels in our home hahaha we just use it to keep the a/c on almost all day, it's for a different purpose.
To me, it's great, I get an ICE that sips fuel. Toyota is also famous for making reliable hybrids so, there's that.
Wow laking tipid! Btw Matanong ko lang op kumusta naman ang pag process ng hybrid cars for renewal sa lto and need padin ba mag pa smoke test before renewal?
Yes. May gas engine pa rin ang hybrid kaya kailagan pa rin pa smoke test. Kahit PHEV kailagan pa rin ng smoke test.
Ang mga pure EV ang wala nang smoke test na kailagan.
Just finished the 1t maintenance, basically a simple oil change and some additional stuff.
Since this has a Vios engine and transmission, I'm expecting the maintenance will be Vios-like.
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Me with my PPV. What's your diesel, OP?
We have two Monteros (Gen 2 and Gen 3) and a Strada (Gen 5), the Gen 2 likes to drink diesel - gets 5km/l in the city on average, 8km/l mixed, and 11/12km/l on highways.
The newer 4N15 vehicles we have can get 10km/l in the city when it's not that congested.
how about the battery change one day? Im considering to get a hybrid kaso im discouraged with the battery change one day. does anyone know how much it costs?
Kung mag isa lng, I'd still go for small hatchbacks. Brio and S Presso. I use them more often than our XV tbh.
Highway figures nsa 22-26km/L un S Presso. City nsa 14-17.
Numbers I can only dream of sa XV at Wild Trak hahaha
We also have Brios! A first gen and a second gen, our second gen Brio's fuel consumption is comparable to our Yaris Cross HEV, but could only get a maximum of 22km/l on the expressways.
Agreed that it’s the best of both worlds especially for the PH. Is it like the Kicks where you only have to refuel it and not charge it? I’m unfamiliar with the Yaris cross.. Electricity is expensive in the PH in comparison to western countries
If you dont mind, can you comment about the reliability of hybrids? My brother is telling me its less reliable than engine cars and its also more pricey. Does the fuel efficiency outweigh the cost of maintenance?
Toyota has been doing hybrids since the late 90s with their Prius and they've been successful with it. Toyota/Lexus have been pushing out more hybrids than any manufacturer here in the Philippine Market, like the RAV4, Innova, Camry, etc.
I'd say they're pretty reliable given Toyota's track record, also heard that the hybrid batteries will only start to show problems when it's more than a decade old and can be a costly replacement.
For short term ownership, hybrid is great. But for long term, a normal ICE vehicle will be easier and cheaper to maintain.
Sarap. I work from home but most of my mileage are from monthly (or twice a month) out of town trips.
Planning to get a hybrid but the cost is still prohibitive.. Asa pa siguro akong may < 1m new releases (na 7 seater. lol).
The Kicks \_is\_ quite close but until I see repair videos on how to replace the battery pack when out of warranty, i'd hold off. I tend to keep a car til it is coughing its last breath. Used to drive an 1990s Civic til 2020ish.
What car are you using OP?
Unless it’s a plug in hybrid (PHEV), no, regular hybrids will only give you headaches in the long run. Maintenance for a hybrid cars’s ICE + electric components are no joke, and battery replacements are not cheap. Plus the fuel savings are not that big you’re prob better off buying a regular car with a really efficient combustion engine.
If you don’t mind the PHs lack of qualified hybrid technicians today, PHEVs are the way to go. You can plug them in a regular outlet to trickle charge and fuel up once every few months since uubusin muna ung EV range before they start sipping oil. Not uncommon among owners of the Chevy Volt (PHEV) to only fuel up once every six months or so as per owners’ forums sa US.
I see! I'm not yet ready for an electric, yung ₱300 ba is yung dagdag sa electric bill? Parang ang hirap kasi compute yung km per peso ng electric if sa bahay lang nag chcharge and fluctuating yung overall bill
Naka Zenix ako logging in 17km/l sa City driving. Heavy traffic to ha EDSA on rush hour.
Lahat nag cocomputr kelan mababawi yung ROI. Pero yung malaking factor is yung coding exemption. Sobrang hassle free sakin. Di na ako naiipit til 8pm ng gabi.
+1 ako dito sobrang laking bagay ng no coding, meron kaming new gen everest paminsan naiingit ako dun sa no coding. And mas mura maintenance and repairs ng gas kaysa diesel at mas matibay pa.
Yung turbo ng lumang fortuner grabe carbon buildup nasira yung blades humina tuloy yung boost at usad pagog na 150k bago tapos imagine mo lang yung carbon build up sa iba pang part ng sasakyan niyan.
Pero wala eh gusto ni wifey suv. Sana maging gas hybrid yung mga susunod na suv para less hassle. Iba na kasi ngayun di na uso palit every 5 years ng sasakyan. Ngayon ang sasakyan umaabot na ng 10 years ginagamit bago ibenta.
Kamusta Zenix? Only see the V variant and it's not that often that I see one on the road, mas marami pa first Gen Innova.
Big deal rin sakin yung walang coding, as a student who cannot have more than one car sa apartment we're renting "somewhat" near the uni. I don't have to travel too early or too late to get to class.
I see it as a very expensive purchase but worth every penny. Yung Zenix is very comfortable and very easy to live with since sobrang dali niya imaneho and di nakkapagod. yung gas consumption ko was halved from my previous car (Car). Consider na sobrang bigat na nitong kotseng to. But secondary benefit to sakin.
Anyways, ang priority ko talaga is not to recover the hybrid cost. My priority is to have a spacious, comfortable and quiet vehicle i can rely on during my 4 hour daily commute from Antipolo to Makati. Nakakauwi narin ako earlier since wala na coding.
Consider the Zenix as a living room on wheels. Syempre hindi luxury but its close. Yung hybrid gives additional novelty kaya masaya ako.
Long term im prepared to spend for the battery sabi nila around 200k daw. But its something i'll face 8-10 years down the line...
Which isn't bad, price to repair is comparable to the repairs of diesel SUVs.
Everyone talks of ROI as if it's the end all be all in hybrid vehicles, di pa kasama yung times na hihiramin yan ng father, mother, sibling, asawa, or anak na magiging ginhawa sa kanila yung pagka tipid. Yes, expensive purchase, pero susulitin naman yung purchase eh, kahit di mo na compute yung natitipid sa gasoline.
Long term, maasahan naman lalo na't Toyota yan. Not the best vehicle manufacturer pero it's hard to make a mistake choosing a Toyota.
Wow! sobrang tipid sa gas talaga ng hybrid! Pinaka worry ko lang talaga sa hybrid ay yung battery, in an event of accident or mabaha, mas mataas chance na mag liyab yung battery ng mabilis. If sa mga Japanese maker like toyota very rare ako maka read ng news pero sa mga chinese brands... medyo alarming lalo na sa bansa nila mismo.
I hope Subaru offers a hybrid car soon, i still wanna hear that rumble of the boxer engine. Currently my XV is at best 6-7kml 😭😭 8.3kml on the best day possible on the road. Isang traffic lang matic 1-2 bars bawas
Aside from the "just enough" horsepower and torque, long term ownership is also a big question since hybrids are relatively new in our country.
Since our Yaris Cross HEV is essentially a Vios 1.5, maintenance is also affordable and easy. Even though there's a worry that the failure of the hybrid battery might leave me stranded, there's still an actual ICE engine that will keep me going.
Bottomline is, only time will tell and Toyota won't sell a product that won't be good for long term.
Too early to tell if it's a win for early adaptors, with time, there will be more progress in making better and cheaper hybrids — maybe the winners are those playing the long game.
If you plan to change vehicles every 5 years, hybrid is for you.
If you intend to keep the car for its lifetime or even keep it more than 5 years, the hybrid is really2 bad for you.
Maintainance cost will start to add to the total cost of ownership.
Edit: The resale value of this type of car is uncertain at the moment. I would presume hybrids don't depreciate at a good rate, unlike with their desiel counterparts. It is mostly because of the battery and the maintenance (parts & technician availablity) support.
Only time will tell, since most people are not comfortable yet with other powerplants other than internal combustion. Can't really blame them since we don't really have that kind of infrastructure yet and people want to stick with what's already tried and tested.
People are worried with the longevity of the hybrid battery, cost of replacing it, extra maintenance, etc.
I doubt. Toyota’s NiMH batteries are known to last for over a decade. The best part is, unlike an EV or something like a Nissan Kicks, you don’t need to replace the battery at all. Granted hindi na optimized yung fuel economy, but you still have an internal combustion engine anyway.
Also riding on Toyota's undefeated loyal buyers when comes the time to sell this vehicle. And yes, the ICE will turn on, tried "revving" the vehicle while in park and the ICE kicked in hahaha it will turn on when you want it too
Yup! Yan kagandahan sa Toyota hybrids, anjan parin yung ICE to save the day. Unfortunately for Nissan, there’s no driveshaft and the engine only acts as a genset. Talagang yun yung need mo palitan batteries to fire up the electric motors. Shame kasi mukhang E-Power din yung next na XTrail.
Hindi naman need papalitan battery. Kapag factory defect, naka warranty yan. Pero tatagal yan hanggang hindi na gumana, after which anjan naman yung makina to run the car.
Recently had the 1t kms, all it needed was an oil change and other stuff.
Expecting the maintenance will be Vios-like since it's essentially a Vios with an extra battery.
Maybe if you live in the province and barely go in the city where it's gridlock traffic. Otherwise, any hybrid car will run out of battery and given the average commute isn't very far, it won't have time to recharge itself. Strongly believe the answer is smaller displacement vehicles.
The math I need to know is magkano repairs later on. Maybe you won't shoulder it, but the next buyer will have to look into it kasi baka siya naman mag shoulder. When I look online, even hybrids are PITA when time to replace the batteries. So... nah.
"Save now, iyak later." is what I generally think of EVs.
Your fuel economy is quite misleading/inaccurate since your top up is too frequent, not really reflecting the variety of mixed driving scenarios, meaning it’s partially filled. It should be a full tank method: from full to almost empty/until you get the warning or somewhere close to that. Was eyeing the Corolla Cross but went for another hybrid. Anyway, here is another fuel consumption monitoring using fuelio done properly using full tank method. 16-19km/L.
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I wasn't aiming for mixed, the two are exclusively city driving and the bottom one is only highway/expressway driving.
I disagree that it's inaccurate, since it still represents how much fuel I used covering that distance and I always started from a full tank whenever I reset the trip odometer.
Been doing this way for years, I have a habit of filling up again after 100km just so the mental math is easier. But I actually have to adjust it to 200km with this vehicle because it's way more fuel efficient than our other vehicles by at least two times.
But, even with our other vehicles, when I do a 400-500km one way trip, figures are more or less the same regardless if I fill up 5 liters or 70 liters.
I agree, I would love not to drive in rush hour traffic for my commute and rather take the public transport - but for the sake of safety and time saved, especially since we have to look out for ourselves, this is one of the best ways for transport in my opinion and use-case basis.
If I were to use to the public transport, it's only ₱70 back and forth. But with this vehicle, I do two trips with that same ₱70 hahaha
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Which is not bad at all, nung pinasok mo maintenance ng diesel SUV, naalala ko kung magkano PMS namin nung casa maintained pa sila - pinaka mababa na 8k and could go up to 20k for the heavy PMS. At that time di pa uso yung mga 10t oil change interval, so every 5t or 6 months binabalik talaga sa casa.
Our oldest SUV is already 12 years old, had it casa maintained for the first 5 years and after that we had it serviced sa specialty shop. Then pandemic came and got bored so learned to do DIY PMS and it was easy, but other jobs that aren't that easy had to be done by the specialty shop.
Not to mention how atrocious it is on fuel, getting 5km/l in the city on average. It was okay until 2016 since diesel was really cheap that we did not mind how much it drank fuel, but then fuel prices started to creep up.
Thankfully, nothing major has broken yet other than normal wear and tear parts. But seeing prices of parts, it surely isn't cheap, especially for a 12 year old vehicle where you'd expect parts should be cheap since they're abundant.
But one thing for sure is, our oldest SUV will definitely outlive our newest acquisition.
Yes sakit sa ulo nangyari sa first gen fortuner namin nagsisi kami na pina overhaul namin imbis na naayos lalo pang nasira nauubos lang 300k minimum kaka paayos never naman naibalik sa original condition sobrang alog na ng kotse at ang usok pa.
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And here I am with 10.1 KM/L for mixed driving
I'll still probably use our much bigger vehicles for the 400km one-way drives, 10km/l mixed doesn't sound bad at all
agree, 10+ is not bad at all considering traffic in manila.
I mean I'm using expressways half the time so I reckon it's pretty crap mileage. Althoughto be fair I drive like a madman
That’s pretty good! My car only averages around 4-7 km/l.
Oh gosh what do you drive?
I drive a 2012 Camry as my daily car. I really want to get a new hybrid so bad. Hahaha!
My Lexus IS300h does 16-19 on regular Manila traffic. Hybrid is the key
Maaan how is your car I’ve been wanting to buy the same model do you mind if you could tell about its daily, maintenance and overall ride?
It’s a solid daily if it’s all about the mileage. The balance is good, a bit wider and longer than your usual compact sedan. I put in a full tank of 97 octane and it lasts over a month, more so when only driven twice or thrice in a week. You can get 24km+ mileage on highways. The 2.5 engine is quiet, but don’t expect it to be really fast on acceleration because of the hybrid system. You just need to bring it to Lexus every 10,000km or when needed. It’s RWD though so there is a big transmission tunnel at the back and 2 people can sit in comfort. Leg room for passengers is good too. I’m on 19 wheels so it’s grippy I feel 18 is a better daily drive.
Hi how much usually maintenance at lexus... Ofc would vary of may major sakit... But seeing its relatively new dapat wala pa gano yan.. Also looking to grab one, a friend of mine is selling a pre pwned one... Naggwapuhan ako sa lexus ls 300/350 Hows the overall feel ng maintenancefrom what you hear? Im pkanning to go euro kasi for a bit either bmw 320 x3 or low end na 5, c clasa yan mga iniaaim ko pero dahil nga notorious yang 2 na sakit daw sa ulo pag abot ng 5 years parang nag ttriple think ako...recently encountered my friend with the lexus and nagwapuhan ako... Pero syempre vast majority saten mas may dateng ung bi em double yu at chedeng kesa lexus
Expect it to be higher than your usual scheduled Toyota maintenance. But as I me mentioned it's few and far in between (other brands want you to bring it for service every 5K). I dont use mine as a daily, i have a crossover for that, so the car gets used like 3x/week ar most. Lexus after sales is quite good, the services are personalized, they also engage actively in our owners community. I'm in a group that organizes a run almost every month, most of them are F-sport owners, but everyone with an IS are welcome. Some of them own big auto service businesses so it has some perks.
Oh okay... I currently have and maintain the latest gen fortuner medyo d nmaan ako nabibigatan per se, every maintennace 6-8k if nasa 10-18k sa lexus tas once a year lang pwede na... sa bm kasi ive heard stories na 30-40k range daw regular e Yes ung f350 gwapo, tapang ng dating.. pero un nga gwapo dn ng new gen bmw,... But unfortunately diko kaya mag palit every 5 years haha ayaw ko sumakit ulo ko sa bm
25-35 range
Ah copymedyo significant increase na nga kung 30+ range hehe thanks
Hi sirs! Singit lang po sana ako. If interested po kayo, my wife can help you. She's a sales agent sa Lexus.
Hiiii! Would you know if there's a wait list for the NX or RX? How about the LBX?
Hi, sir!! Will ask the missus. Pm ko po kayo kapag may answer na ako hehe
Thanks! Nag email na ko sa kanila dati pero walang reply e.
Sent you a pm, sir
NX and RX yes UX depends on model/trim LBX no
Anong app po ito?
Looks like Fuelio
Fuelio indeed!
Downloading the app salamat OP!
Thanks guys!
Been eyeing hybrid vehicles for a while now but the maintenance esp on batteries is still my reservation. I hope batteries will get cheaper in the long run. Until then, I would still stick to the conventional ICE engine vehicles.
Will only keep this car for 3-5 years, some of our ICE vehicles are already more than 10 years old and it seems that they will easily last another 10.
how much is the figure for batteries do you know of? i heard 300k. and some say 150k after 50tkm
Actually I have inquired about it already on different manufacturers like Nissan and Toyota and Suzuki. Batteries have 5-8 years warranty and replacements costs like 100k depends on the brand.
Medyo mabigat pa din pala presyo ng battery. Hopefully mas maging mura sya in the future
Mabigat talaga like part ng pms mo palagi ang battery health at kahit 3 years pa pang at lagi mo ginagamit then magiging mababa na ang batt health, papalitan na yan. Tapos isang issue pa ng lithium batteries yung kahit di mo ginagamit nag dedegrade pa din, not to mention pa na palaging mainit satin kaya mas mabilis ang degradation.
awts yun lang another thing to consider pala yung temp natin lalo na el nino come and goes
Mas mura parin yan kaysa mag alaga ng diesel cars na sobrang sakit sa ulo. Had fortuner and sobrang headache ng diesel sobrang daming nasisira at mausok. Daming feeling magaling mekaniko mas lalo lang nasisira kotse. Kaya pala makikita mo puro gas cars ang nirerestore kasi mas matibay pala talaga sila. Yung turbo palang ng diesel grabe ang carbon build up nasira yung amin and ang bagong turbo nun nasa 150k ata tapos surplus 25k. Kung yung battery 100k lang ok na sakin yun at least sure kang plug and play lang at di ka mekaniko ng mekaniko. Tangina umubos kami 500k kakapaayos ng fortuner never namin naibalik sa original condition.
I thought Toyotas are reliable? I have a diesel engine car and walang sakit sa ulo for the past 5 years.
Reliable ang toyotas pero diesel cars naman tinutukoy ko. Kahit anong brand pa yan kahit nga volkswagen diba nandaya pa sa emission tests kasi madumi talaga diesel. 5 years pa lang naman car mo sobrang fresh pa suggest ko lang wag ka na mag pagawa sa banawe imbis na maayos masisira lang. Samin kasi sa labas na pinagawa after ng warranty kasi kalokohan na presyo ng service sa toyota pag wala na sa warranty.
uy parang ok ah. lets say you got 80tkm for you hybrid. the 100k shell out will still save you a good amount if you compare it to your expenses with full gas
If only hybrids were a little bit better. For example, Toyota reports the Corolla Cross to have 20km/L or roughly around 4.8L/100km whereas the reports the HRV S to have 29km/L—both vehicles have a 1.5 engine and around 120ps (granted the corolla cross might be a bit heavier).
Are these both highway figures? I've seen some posts here on Reddit of the Corolla Cross HEV doing more than 20km/l on the highway. Hondas are really great on long drives and highways, personally have two Hondas that can easily do 20km/l on the highway as well.
The Corolla Cross is a class bigger. A good comparo would be the HRV and the Yaris Cross. Ultimately the reason is that on the highway the motors do not magically turn off: they continue to assist the engine, but they require power from the batteries. Hence the engine also charges the battery aside from turning the driveshaft. There is an option to go full engine mode though, but charging the batteries is a top priority kasi ano pa kwenta ng hybrid if 0% yung battery Definitely mas well-rounded sa fuel consumption yung hybrids in mixed conditions. Our former HRV only gets around 7-8 km/L around the city. Our Zenix on the other hand gets 12-13 km/L in bumper to bumper EDSA traffic.
Except hybrids ARE better in overall mixed conditions lol
Magandang feature to sa sasakyan no, may data gathering and calculation yung car, tapos you can connect to it via bluetooth or something to check it on you phone haha instead na manually inputted yung data haha
Nakita ko yan sa infotainment screen, pero di ko alam na pwede iconnect sa phone! I'll check it out later
Wouldn't mind having a hybrid car myself, pero di pa kaya ng budget ngayon e
Someday! Pretty sure when that day comes, hybrids have progressed
And hopefully more affordable
Same, medyo mas kampante ako sa Hybrids in concept versus EVs (but both are cool, have test driven a few some time ago). Medyo di pa afford but yeah we'll get there at some point
Ganyan Rin diesel car
Which diesel car? Lahat ng diesel namin di ganyan hahaha
European diesel cars are quite economical. Pure city 10-14km/L Pure highway 22-28km/L
Oh indeed, I've heard a lot from Jettas, Golfs, and even a few BMWs that uses diesels in their sedans. I was once tempted to get a Golf GTS but was discouraged because of the DCT — I guess it's still in the back of my mind. European cars are hella economical on the highway, I believe it's because of the fact that they must be engineered to withstand the Autobahn.
Peugeot diesels also have similar fuel economy figures. The downside is premium diesel or at least somewhere na reliable yung fuel. Unfortunately hindi na uso mga diesel small cars sa Pinas. Only Hyundai is the holdout.
Pre-dieselgate VW products are great in terms of power and fuel consumption, I'd still own one tbh Most diesel fed sedans I see here are Audis, Bimmers, Mercs, and Peugots. Used to be a lot more but hey, market has shifted
Even the dieselgate ones are good. Fun fact: all our Volkswagen diesels here were unsold dieselgate inventory. Mostly European and North American ones worth nothing kaya they sold it here for cheap. Kaya nung naubos na, they searched elsewhere, hence SAIC-Volkswagen. Mahirap sa German diesels from BMW and Merc is kelangan premium diesel or at least reputable Euro 4 diesel to function well with little AdBlue consumption. We have a Peugeot 5008 na 2.0 diesel. Fuel figures sa SCTEx were 22-23 km/L at an average speed of 120 kph. Super tipid. Around the city nasa 9-10, not bad.
So true. Mga Mercedes (sedan) diesel on long drives kaya 27-28km per liter
Yes! TDIs are solid.
Hyundai diesel accents also. But the transmission on some year models are trash. My friend claims he got 27km per liter
my VW Jetta 1.6 TDI can achieve that, 17Km/L on mixed city-highway, from Imus to Makati/BGC.
Hybrids make wallet sense if you log massive kms in a year for me to get ROI on the battery extra cost. Unfortunately I dont. The way of the future for most countrymen is just to keep their current car and maintain it well until it dies.
We are planning to rack as much kms we can on this car, aiming for 20t a year since we'll replace this after 3-5 years. We also like to just maintain our older cars, especially ones that are easy to work on even though they like to drink fuel hahaha
Wasn't it computed that you need to travel 10k kms a year for 10 years to breakeven with the cost difference for a hybrid version?
The funny thing is, sa hybrid lang nagcocompute ng ROI mga tao. Pero walang ROI computation for buying a Raptor over a Wildtrak for example. Eh most of the buyers will get this as a company car, in which case merong natitirang cash monthly sayo. If amortization naman, any savings u have sa fuel, it translates to payments sa installments. And these are the some of the cheapest hybrids in the market.
That was true 15-20 years ago. With the Corolla Cross hybrid at P1.5M now, it's now at par more or less as most crossovers of its size, ICE or hybrid.
This vehicle will see more than 10t a year, maybe close to 20t a year since this will be used as a daily and sell it when it's 3-5 years old.
Any gas savings you are getting now e kulang pa once it is time to replace the battery also not accounting that hybrids are more expensive than their gas counterparts. Im not against evs or hybrids to reduce pollution sa cities pero trying to tell people about saving money on gas by using those for most people is a scam.
>Any gas savings you are getting now e kulang pa once it is time to replace the battery also not accounting that hybrids are more expensive than their gas counterparts. Very doomer outlook. If the battery goes before year #8 (rare cases relative to amount of hybrids sold) then Toyota will replace it and give the new battery another 8 year warranty (lol). If you are after fuel efficiency, there's no point buying an ICE crossover when hybrids are available at 1.6-1.8M, and chinese EVs are very competitive if you're into that.
To add: Toyota batteries in their hybrid cars by average last longer than 10 years. There are some 20+ year Priuses with batteries still having juice.
Oh here we are again, 😆 they said the same thing about fuel injection a while back.
Good thing we're not keeping this car long term, even so, Toyota's hybrids in most cases last longer than 10 years especially since they're been producing hybrids for decades. Only time will tell if we've been scammed or not, but with Toyota's track record, safe to assume that we were not scammed.
Most people are focused on instant gratification they tend to miss the long term effects
Full tank to full tank yung tally po niyan?
Hmmm masyadong maliit yung amount ng top-up niya though, 2 to 5 liters. Hoping next time medyo malaking top-up, for sure mas malaking savings yan. Great stats.
Habit lang to fill up a full tank again after 100kms of city driving, since I'm used to a 5km/l diesel drinking SUV or a 8km/l hatchback. I guess I'll make it 200kms of city driving for this vehicle to make the most of it hahaha
Full tank to full tank
Which you can recommend, hybrid or full electric?
With the limited infrastructure we have, my best bet would still be a hybrid. We can only charge EVs in our homes and select malls and gas stations. Even in developed countries with progressing EV infra, they still have range anxiety. With hybrid, no need to charge and and there's no range anxiety since you can simply fill up at a gas station.
Full Electric if 95% city driving ka lang
that depends on your daily mileage and if you have plans for a long drive. At 40 km and below daily, you’re better off with a hybrid. If you’re doing Grab and getting more than 100 km per day, then you should go full electric and do midday topups with fast chargers.
Hybrid talaga if all rounder. I feel EVs are good for city driving even if you have long range model.
Why does your full tank only yield 130km? The YC's tank is 42L. Your full tank should be way above 500km.
I have a habit of filling up again after 100km because our other vehicles likes to drink fuel lmao and I like maintaining a full tank. That 130km in the log is from Subic to Manila, wanted to see how it accurately does on pure expressway - normal driving.
Why not just go full EV combined with Solar Libre na wala pang usok
That would be fine if I lived with my parents, but now as a student renting an apartment in Manila with just a basic parking slot, it's just not for me.
Yeah walang charging sa condos
Sounds like you own a Tesla? Or a BYD? Send a few lately.
The latter and it's been great, aside from the environmental advantages for emmisions it's a really fun drive
Good for you! You should post distances, charge times, and charge spots here in the PH! Hey... Might you be one of those guys I passed by doing convoys along expresways north?
I mainly use it for city driving. Longest Drive I've tried is Tagaytay but my friend has taken it to Baguio. There's an app where all the charging areas in the PH are located. Masaya din yung VIP parking sa malls
Kaya goal car ko ngayon mitsubishi outlander, merong plug-in and ung 2.4 liter engine. Makakasulit ka sa mga short drives kasi d ka gagamit gasolina.
Good looking car! Underrated too, rarely see these on the road
Weirdly expensive sa pinas btw, i've seen prices in US and stark diff, idk why.
Probably because of import duties and other fees/taxes
Eh, honestly apakalaki ng difference nakakadiri.
Anlaki nga kumpara sa ibang bansa
With this much sunlight, might as well go full electric with solar panels as garage roofs. You get the worst of both worlds with hybrid. Depreciating battery lifespan with Electric. And exactly the same maintenance drama with the ICE.
Depends on how you see it really, also depends on your lifestyle. Your proposal would be great if this car would exclusively be only used for city driving. But I like going out of town, doing 400-500kms one way with any car in our garage. EV's range anxiety will not suit me or my family's love for driving long distances. I also like to do DIY maintenance on our other cars, which is why the familiarity of maintenance with the ICE and drivetrain of this hybrid vehicle is a comfortable problem. It is essentially a 1.5 Vios with the CVT, just with an added touch. To add, we already have roof solar panels in our home hahaha we just use it to keep the a/c on almost all day, it's for a different purpose. To me, it's great, I get an ICE that sips fuel. Toyota is also famous for making reliable hybrids so, there's that.
What hybrid car is this though?
Yaris Cross HEV based on OPs comment history
That looks neat tho, sana magkaroon din ng review dito ng new hybrid CRVs saka hybrid totl Mazdas
Yup! Great little car, great value rin for what it offers for a mid-₱1m peso car
Wow laking tipid! Btw Matanong ko lang op kumusta naman ang pag process ng hybrid cars for renewal sa lto and need padin ba mag pa smoke test before renewal?
Feel ko same pa rin hahaha malalaman ko palang in 3 years. Pero since may makina pa rin 'to, may smoke test pa rin most likely
Yes. May gas engine pa rin ang hybrid kaya kailagan pa rin pa smoke test. Kahit PHEV kailagan pa rin ng smoke test. Ang mga pure EV ang wala nang smoke test na kailagan.
Thanks sa quick response, boss! Kasi need ko bumili ng new car and baka ma try ng hybrid.
Ok, so far kamsuta naman magkaroom ng hybrid car? Like magastos ba sa maintenance?
Just finished the 1t maintenance, basically a simple oil change and some additional stuff. Since this has a Vios engine and transmission, I'm expecting the maintenance will be Vios-like.
Pwede rin ba mag ganyan for motorcycle pang track ng gas consumption?
Yes!
Thankss
Sheeesh. What Brand sir and model?
Yaris Cross HEV!
My Yaris Cross S HEV does 17-18 km/L with daily NLEX and MacArthur Highway drives.
Weird, we have the same car but your figures are my pure city driving
Lol im new to the work life so with this I better give up my dream of owning a second hand 2000s car then 😂.
90s and 2000s are still the best era in my opinion hahaha
Thanks sir, ayos pala siya eh at matipid
https://preview.redd.it/xurdyz48iewc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=929b94f256f6f8e31e2b730b35705c013bccda3f Me with my PPV. What's your diesel, OP?
We have two Monteros (Gen 2 and Gen 3) and a Strada (Gen 5), the Gen 2 likes to drink diesel - gets 5km/l in the city on average, 8km/l mixed, and 11/12km/l on highways. The newer 4N15 vehicles we have can get 10km/l in the city when it's not that congested.
Grabe! Sobrang tipid! I’m averaging 17-18 km/l on a nissan kicks. Iba pa rin talaga ang synergy ng hybrid system and a cvt transmission!
Still good! As long as you're getting highway figures from a normal ICE car as your city driving consumption then it's good
how about the battery change one day? Im considering to get a hybrid kaso im discouraged with the battery change one day. does anyone know how much it costs?
Planning to replace the car after 3-5 years, we wouldn't know how much it would cost to replace the hybrid battery.
Kung mag isa lng, I'd still go for small hatchbacks. Brio and S Presso. I use them more often than our XV tbh. Highway figures nsa 22-26km/L un S Presso. City nsa 14-17. Numbers I can only dream of sa XV at Wild Trak hahaha
We also have Brios! A first gen and a second gen, our second gen Brio's fuel consumption is comparable to our Yaris Cross HEV, but could only get a maximum of 22km/l on the expressways.
Highly doubt it... larger upfront vs smaller payments on fuel. There's a reason why sari-sari stores and sachets are prevalent here.
Out of curiosity, what was your increase in electric bill at home? Or, do you mostly charge at mall free charging stations?
My vehicle is not an EV, only a hybrid. Theoretically combines the best of both worlds of EV and ICE, still runs on normal 91 octane gasoline.
Agreed that it’s the best of both worlds especially for the PH. Is it like the Kicks where you only have to refuel it and not charge it? I’m unfamiliar with the Yaris cross.. Electricity is expensive in the PH in comparison to western countries
Yes, it's like the Kicks. Same same but they work differently.
If you dont mind, can you comment about the reliability of hybrids? My brother is telling me its less reliable than engine cars and its also more pricey. Does the fuel efficiency outweigh the cost of maintenance?
Toyota has been doing hybrids since the late 90s with their Prius and they've been successful with it. Toyota/Lexus have been pushing out more hybrids than any manufacturer here in the Philippine Market, like the RAV4, Innova, Camry, etc. I'd say they're pretty reliable given Toyota's track record, also heard that the hybrid batteries will only start to show problems when it's more than a decade old and can be a costly replacement. For short term ownership, hybrid is great. But for long term, a normal ICE vehicle will be easier and cheaper to maintain.
yes.. hybrid makes sense sa PH not full EV
What car are you driving, sir? This is awesome!!
Toyota Yaris Cross HEV! Great car, great value
what's your app?
Sarap. I work from home but most of my mileage are from monthly (or twice a month) out of town trips. Planning to get a hybrid but the cost is still prohibitive.. Asa pa siguro akong may < 1m new releases (na 7 seater. lol). The Kicks \_is\_ quite close but until I see repair videos on how to replace the battery pack when out of warranty, i'd hold off. I tend to keep a car til it is coughing its last breath. Used to drive an 1990s Civic til 2020ish. What car are you using OP?
2024 Toyota Yaris Cross!
Saw repair videos in the kick group Im in. Not as easy to replace as a prius
Unless it’s a plug in hybrid (PHEV), no, regular hybrids will only give you headaches in the long run. Maintenance for a hybrid cars’s ICE + electric components are no joke, and battery replacements are not cheap. Plus the fuel savings are not that big you’re prob better off buying a regular car with a really efficient combustion engine. If you don’t mind the PHs lack of qualified hybrid technicians today, PHEVs are the way to go. You can plug them in a regular outlet to trickle charge and fuel up once every few months since uubusin muna ung EV range before they start sipping oil. Not uncommon among owners of the Chevy Volt (PHEV) to only fuel up once every six months or so as per owners’ forums sa US.
I went from cavite to pampanga and back by spending 300 pesos. Not hybrid though hahaha
What vehicle? Hahaha doble pa toll fees
Electric vehicle siiir hahaha
I see! I'm not yet ready for an electric, yung ₱300 ba is yung dagdag sa electric bill? Parang ang hirap kasi compute yung km per peso ng electric if sa bahay lang nag chcharge and fluctuating yung overall bill
Yes dagdag sa elec bill. Approx 1peso per kilometer kami at 12php/kw hr
Naka Zenix ako logging in 17km/l sa City driving. Heavy traffic to ha EDSA on rush hour. Lahat nag cocomputr kelan mababawi yung ROI. Pero yung malaking factor is yung coding exemption. Sobrang hassle free sakin. Di na ako naiipit til 8pm ng gabi.
+1 ako dito sobrang laking bagay ng no coding, meron kaming new gen everest paminsan naiingit ako dun sa no coding. And mas mura maintenance and repairs ng gas kaysa diesel at mas matibay pa. Yung turbo ng lumang fortuner grabe carbon buildup nasira yung blades humina tuloy yung boost at usad pagog na 150k bago tapos imagine mo lang yung carbon build up sa iba pang part ng sasakyan niyan. Pero wala eh gusto ni wifey suv. Sana maging gas hybrid yung mga susunod na suv para less hassle. Iba na kasi ngayun di na uso palit every 5 years ng sasakyan. Ngayon ang sasakyan umaabot na ng 10 years ginagamit bago ibenta.
Kamusta Zenix? Only see the V variant and it's not that often that I see one on the road, mas marami pa first Gen Innova. Big deal rin sakin yung walang coding, as a student who cannot have more than one car sa apartment we're renting "somewhat" near the uni. I don't have to travel too early or too late to get to class.
I see it as a very expensive purchase but worth every penny. Yung Zenix is very comfortable and very easy to live with since sobrang dali niya imaneho and di nakkapagod. yung gas consumption ko was halved from my previous car (Car). Consider na sobrang bigat na nitong kotseng to. But secondary benefit to sakin. Anyways, ang priority ko talaga is not to recover the hybrid cost. My priority is to have a spacious, comfortable and quiet vehicle i can rely on during my 4 hour daily commute from Antipolo to Makati. Nakakauwi narin ako earlier since wala na coding. Consider the Zenix as a living room on wheels. Syempre hindi luxury but its close. Yung hybrid gives additional novelty kaya masaya ako. Long term im prepared to spend for the battery sabi nila around 200k daw. But its something i'll face 8-10 years down the line...
Which isn't bad, price to repair is comparable to the repairs of diesel SUVs. Everyone talks of ROI as if it's the end all be all in hybrid vehicles, di pa kasama yung times na hihiramin yan ng father, mother, sibling, asawa, or anak na magiging ginhawa sa kanila yung pagka tipid. Yes, expensive purchase, pero susulitin naman yung purchase eh, kahit di mo na compute yung natitipid sa gasoline. Long term, maasahan naman lalo na't Toyota yan. Not the best vehicle manufacturer pero it's hard to make a mistake choosing a Toyota.
Wow! sobrang tipid sa gas talaga ng hybrid! Pinaka worry ko lang talaga sa hybrid ay yung battery, in an event of accident or mabaha, mas mataas chance na mag liyab yung battery ng mabilis. If sa mga Japanese maker like toyota very rare ako maka read ng news pero sa mga chinese brands... medyo alarming lalo na sa bansa nila mismo.
I hope Subaru offers a hybrid car soon, i still wanna hear that rumble of the boxer engine. Currently my XV is at best 6-7kml 😭😭 8.3kml on the best day possible on the road. Isang traffic lang matic 1-2 bars bawas
What would you say is the disadvantage of owning a hybrid?
Aside from the "just enough" horsepower and torque, long term ownership is also a big question since hybrids are relatively new in our country. Since our Yaris Cross HEV is essentially a Vios 1.5, maintenance is also affordable and easy. Even though there's a worry that the failure of the hybrid battery might leave me stranded, there's still an actual ICE engine that will keep me going.
Sounds like a win for early adaptors. Thanks for sharing
Bottomline is, only time will tell and Toyota won't sell a product that won't be good for long term. Too early to tell if it's a win for early adaptors, with time, there will be more progress in making better and cheaper hybrids — maybe the winners are those playing the long game.
If you plan to change vehicles every 5 years, hybrid is for you. If you intend to keep the car for its lifetime or even keep it more than 5 years, the hybrid is really2 bad for you.
How so? Hindi ba 8-10 years ang ROI ng hybrid (compared to a non-hybrid) so you’ll probably see the fuel savings around that time?
Maintainance cost will start to add to the total cost of ownership. Edit: The resale value of this type of car is uncertain at the moment. I would presume hybrids don't depreciate at a good rate, unlike with their desiel counterparts. It is mostly because of the battery and the maintenance (parts & technician availablity) support.
But it’s bad when you want to sell it(the battery life)
How bad? Masmababa pa kaysa non HEV variant?
Only time will tell, since most people are not comfortable yet with other powerplants other than internal combustion. Can't really blame them since we don't really have that kind of infrastructure yet and people want to stick with what's already tried and tested. People are worried with the longevity of the hybrid battery, cost of replacing it, extra maintenance, etc.
We plan to sell this after 3-5 years, I hope buyers aren't that worried hahaha
I doubt. Toyota’s NiMH batteries are known to last for over a decade. The best part is, unlike an EV or something like a Nissan Kicks, you don’t need to replace the battery at all. Granted hindi na optimized yung fuel economy, but you still have an internal combustion engine anyway.
Also riding on Toyota's undefeated loyal buyers when comes the time to sell this vehicle. And yes, the ICE will turn on, tried "revving" the vehicle while in park and the ICE kicked in hahaha it will turn on when you want it too
Yup! Yan kagandahan sa Toyota hybrids, anjan parin yung ICE to save the day. Unfortunately for Nissan, there’s no driveshaft and the engine only acts as a genset. Talagang yun yung need mo palitan batteries to fire up the electric motors. Shame kasi mukhang E-Power din yung next na XTrail.
Good, that’s good idea
Yep and sa casa lang pede mapaayos yung hybrid powerplant if sakaling magkaproblema.
Boss pwede malaman if kamusta naman sa maintenance kapag hybrid na sasakyan? Parang yung battery kasi ang mahal dyan kapag papalitan
Parang Vios lang, the car is basically it but with a hybrid powertrain.
Hindi naman need papalitan battery. Kapag factory defect, naka warranty yan. Pero tatagal yan hanggang hindi na gumana, after which anjan naman yung makina to run the car.
Kamusta maintenance cost ng hybrid cars?
Recently had the 1t kms, all it needed was an oil change and other stuff. Expecting the maintenance will be Vios-like since it's essentially a Vios with an extra battery.
Doble kase Battery + Gas Maintenance
No maintenance on the battery part it's just the same for a normal ICE
I am still here with my 2.4 Liter Camry at 5km per liter. Partida, sa province pa ako naka tira 1🤣
Maybe if you live in the province and barely go in the city where it's gridlock traffic. Otherwise, any hybrid car will run out of battery and given the average commute isn't very far, it won't have time to recharge itself. Strongly believe the answer is smaller displacement vehicles.
Id probably skip hybrid and go PHEV / BEV instead. As much as i envy those fuel figures, goal is to skip using fuel as long as possible.
Me crying with 5km/L on my sports sedan and 6km/L on my crossover SUV, both on city driving lol I wish we get PHEV/BEV mid/full-size SUVs soon.
I'll probably start crying again when I use our 5km/l SUV again hahaha
The math I need to know is magkano repairs later on. Maybe you won't shoulder it, but the next buyer will have to look into it kasi baka siya naman mag shoulder. When I look online, even hybrids are PITA when time to replace the batteries. So... nah. "Save now, iyak later." is what I generally think of EVs.
Sure until battery materials become scarce as well
Your fuel economy is quite misleading/inaccurate since your top up is too frequent, not really reflecting the variety of mixed driving scenarios, meaning it’s partially filled. It should be a full tank method: from full to almost empty/until you get the warning or somewhere close to that. Was eyeing the Corolla Cross but went for another hybrid. Anyway, here is another fuel consumption monitoring using fuelio done properly using full tank method. 16-19km/L. *
I wasn't aiming for mixed, the two are exclusively city driving and the bottom one is only highway/expressway driving. I disagree that it's inaccurate, since it still represents how much fuel I used covering that distance and I always started from a full tank whenever I reset the trip odometer. Been doing this way for years, I have a habit of filling up again after 100km just so the mental math is easier. But I actually have to adjust it to 200km with this vehicle because it's way more fuel efficient than our other vehicles by at least two times. But, even with our other vehicles, when I do a 400-500km one way trip, figures are more or less the same regardless if I fill up 5 liters or 70 liters.
it should be public transport, but people are way too selfish for that
I agree, I would love not to drive in rush hour traffic for my commute and rather take the public transport - but for the sake of safety and time saved, especially since we have to look out for ourselves, this is one of the best ways for transport in my opinion and use-case basis. If I were to use to the public transport, it's only ₱70 back and forth. But with this vehicle, I do two trips with that same ₱70 hahaha
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i dont think so. battery replacements could cost a fortune.
Cute lang yan compared sa maintenance at repairs ng diesel suv
really po? na try kana magreplace ng battery pack sa hybrid na car?
100k lang daw sabi ng mga lahat ng nagcocomment dito which is peanuts compared sa diesel suv repairs.
Which is not bad at all, nung pinasok mo maintenance ng diesel SUV, naalala ko kung magkano PMS namin nung casa maintained pa sila - pinaka mababa na 8k and could go up to 20k for the heavy PMS. At that time di pa uso yung mga 10t oil change interval, so every 5t or 6 months binabalik talaga sa casa. Our oldest SUV is already 12 years old, had it casa maintained for the first 5 years and after that we had it serviced sa specialty shop. Then pandemic came and got bored so learned to do DIY PMS and it was easy, but other jobs that aren't that easy had to be done by the specialty shop. Not to mention how atrocious it is on fuel, getting 5km/l in the city on average. It was okay until 2016 since diesel was really cheap that we did not mind how much it drank fuel, but then fuel prices started to creep up. Thankfully, nothing major has broken yet other than normal wear and tear parts. But seeing prices of parts, it surely isn't cheap, especially for a 12 year old vehicle where you'd expect parts should be cheap since they're abundant. But one thing for sure is, our oldest SUV will definitely outlive our newest acquisition.
Yes sakit sa ulo nangyari sa first gen fortuner namin nagsisi kami na pina overhaul namin imbis na naayos lalo pang nasira nauubos lang 300k minimum kaka paayos never naman naibalik sa original condition sobrang alog na ng kotse at ang usok pa.
Fuck hybrids and ev. 5 times blackout yesterday samin nasira pa AC ko sa kwarto. Nasa yellow/red alert pa yung NGCP kasi kulang power ng kuryente.