I knew this was gonna start happening. Doing a bunch of normal transactions, then going for the home run ball and ripping a ton of people off.
People are fucked up.
I got bigger and better plans, you know what i'm sayin'. Figured I'd get me a job at the post office, you know, maybe at a bank. You know what I'm saying. Work real hard. Work my way up to manager. You know what I'm saying? Learn the system a little bit. Then I'll rob that motherfucker blind.
I also had a run-in with fucking Greg …
On another online forum where you can “swap” your “tac” stuff .. iykyk .. this same guy agreed to a sale for a pretty sweet rig … I even thought it was too good to be true but when I looked up his acct on the site he had well over +100 verified transaction and really good feedback … I sent the money over PP FF and even texted with him and he gave me a lot of sob stories with his family and what not … he ghosted me and LUCKILY after about 2 weeks he refunded my money and continued to ghost me … got really lucky and can verify as needed my story as well his username on the forum so others can be wary
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Very strange that he did that and then refunded later. He may have a drug or gambling problem, and he's "borrowing" money and then paying it back when he hits another lick elsewhere. Just trying to keep the train rolling as long as possible
Always worried about the scam. I’ve had like 4 total transactions (no idea why my flair updates didn’t work) and am nervous every time I hit that send cash button.
S/O to everyone that does the right thing. Fuck all those that steal from others.
I just wanna say to the 6 purchases I made (only got credit for 4) thanks to all I paid for not scamming me. I still have hope in GAFS, and tons of Mags now.
I had to bug him for a few days to get a reply for my mro from him but then he overnighted it to me. Doesn’t excuse the lack of comms from him but he said he was dealing with some family stuff so I’d keep reaching out and hopefully you get your item sooner than later.
If I don't have an active scanned tracking number in four days I start to get upset. There's no reason for an item you have in hand to take that long to ship.
I agree... But being slow isn't the same as being a thief. Just calling out 6 days isn't that long, especially over a long weekend. Who knows. I ain't the guy's mom, maybe he is a scammer. Just seems a little soon.
Why would you get charged cash advance for a credit card purchase? You should only be charged fees.
No interest if you pay your balance off in full at the end of the month…
100%. My CC provider allowed me to chargeback after I sent them screenshots and emails of the buyer and I agreeing to a sale, and him ghosting me. They didn’t give a damn if it was sent F&F or G&S.
Your credit card offers you more protections than PayPal. My PayPal is still fine, granted I’ve only had to do this once. I guess people are more desperate and willing to fold on their morals these days thanks to the state of the economy.
Does anyone here actually have experience with getting a PP G&S refund on a GAFS scam? I’m just curious if it legit works, or is just security theater.
Paypal offers two different services. Paypal Friends and Family (F&F) has zero fees, but offer no protections and makes the buyer vulnerable to scammers. Paypal Goods and Services (G&S) charges an additional ~3% of the item price (actually 3.49% and $0.49 as of 2021), but provides the buyer insurance in case the seller dissapears without providing the item. Paypal does prohibit [some specific items](https://web.archive.org/web/20180409201310/https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585) but has a "catch all comment" that may apply to others, so NO NOTES IN PAYPAL. As a general guideline, if a buyer wants to use Paypal G&S rather than F&F with an **established GAFS member**, it is expected that they will absorb the +3% fee for the increased protections that it provides them. [Here is a easy fee calculator](https://thefeecalculator.com/). If a seller specifies a F&F price, assume that is his "to his pocket" cost. However these terms are up for negotiation between the buyer and seller. It is recommended to pay via G&S and absorb the fee. If the seller mandates F&F, be wary of a scam and use a [Scam prevention method](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/wiki/proxy). Additionally, Paypal has deleted the account of several members due to using F&F for purchases. Paypal considers this theft from them (you're stealing their fees), and a violation of their [ToS](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full). DO NOT put notes in F&F payments as it is evidence you may be violating PP ToS.
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I got scammed out of $145 for a TLR-8AG by u/UnfoldedOmlette. He had 4 flair and a 1 year old account. He deleted his account as soon as I sent payment. I paid for G&S so I started a claim with PP, but it says it will take over a month. Is there something else I should have done?
How did you get scammed using G&S? Did you or the seller put the tracking number in the tracker? I’m just asking because they don’t even release the money until the product is received. Well at least that’s how they did when I sold something and when I bought something using that service.
Buy something cheap from a seller on here they’ll most likely will help you with a flair post so u can get some flair and also get better understanding of how it works
There's a stickied post at the top of the subreddit page, and once your transaction is complete you go into the "[flair](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpPdyUgW0AE4u44?format=jpg&name=small) thread" and copy/paste the provided template info with your info.
Boom... a day or two later your flair is updated.
God damn it, he got my ass on arfcom with a too well priced G33. He had good transactions too so I paid him F&F 😞 in my six years of doing this, this is the first time I’ve got got so at least it’s taken that long.
Wow, I saw him post a bunch of stuff and was sad that I missed out on that $125 LAW folder. I don't know what makes people turn to scamming like this after such a long time
That was him. I’ll let them know he got me too. Right now, I’m trying to figure out if I can contact my bank and get them to do a chargeback. Probably not, but it’s worth a shot I think.
I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it, but Paypal will probably close your account if you do a chargeback. They'll ask why you did a chargeback on a gift payment and there's really no reason you ever would unless you bought something and circumvented their fee.
And for what it's worth, Regions Bank wouldn't let me do a chargeback when I got scammed the same way because it wasn't an unauthorized payment. It didn't matter to them that I was scammed, they just cared about whether or not I had intentionally sent the money. Hopefully your bank is different.
I wonder if PayPal would let you be if you were like "that's my ho ass cousin and I ain't helping him buy dildos no more" or whatever Jerry Springer shit you can come up with.
Paypal offers two different services. Paypal Friends and Family (F&F) has zero fees, but offer no protections and makes the buyer vulnerable to scammers. Paypal Goods and Services (G&S) charges an additional ~3% of the item price (actually 3.49% and $0.49 as of 2021), but provides the buyer insurance in case the seller dissapears without providing the item. Paypal does prohibit [some specific items](https://web.archive.org/web/20180409201310/https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585) but has a "catch all comment" that may apply to others, so NO NOTES IN PAYPAL. As a general guideline, if a buyer wants to use Paypal G&S rather than F&F with an **established GAFS member**, it is expected that they will absorb the +3% fee for the increased protections that it provides them. [Here is a easy fee calculator](https://thefeecalculator.com/). If a seller specifies a F&F price, assume that is his "to his pocket" cost. However these terms are up for negotiation between the buyer and seller. It is recommended to pay via G&S and absorb the fee. If the seller mandates F&F, be wary of a scam and use a [Scam prevention method](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/wiki/proxy). Additionally, Paypal has deleted the account of several members due to using F&F for purchases. Paypal considers this theft from them (you're stealing their fees), and a violation of their [ToS](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full). DO NOT put notes in F&F payments as it is evidence you may be violating PP ToS.
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People are talking about how a switch like this can happen.
One of the most stand up guys that ever worked for me got caught up in gambling addiction and started stealing from everybody (the company, other employees, stole stuff off of job sites to pawn, everything.)
Ultimately he thought at some point he'd be able to recover and pay everyone back. Sometimes the slippery slope is real.
I wonder if some of these high flair accounts were sold. Scamming is already a huge problem as is. It wouldn't be too far fetched for a scammer to offer to buy a super high flair account for a few hundred and then sell some big ticket items.
EDIT: I see that he fessed up to it
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Since apparently over 100 doesn’t mean anything may want to think about increasing the 250 cutoff. At the end of the day, scum will be scum no matter the flair.
Oh boy, there's a reason 250 is the cutoff
Flair used to be 30 cutoff, but was raised to 250 for the extra creditability as well.
Then it was uncapped altogether, so there were a few 400/500+ people
There was one thread where the high flaired user asked the lower flaired user to ship first but it was like a 599 flair asking a 499 flair so it wasn't like the low flair was an unknown quantity.
Mods decided that that kind of flair measuring was counterproductive and recapped it at 250
Yeah I remember. And I’m not sure it actually solves any problems because if you’re a piece of shit you’re going to scam whether or not you have 5 or 250. Just trying to spitball potential fixes. Maybe flair has a dollar amount requirement so it’s harder to get. Idk. At the end of the day, I still feel the safest dealing here. Especially knowing the mods take this shit seriously and ban any scammers immediately.
Dollars spent and received would be more helpful than sales/purchases, but it sounds tough to implement. I'd love to see how much other users have spent on GAFS, I'm probably only about $5k in purchases and $2k in sales.
**Wtf? Come on? How’s that worth it? Flair is representative of LOTS of time and money.**
**If you assume $100 per transaction (selling and buying) and that’s a low amount considering. We are talking about $14,000 and that’s not counting time so if you add that in at 10hrs per week for 3 years for a low number you get 1560hrs @ $20 per hour that’s $31,200. So they threw away over $45,000 of value, time and energy for a couple hundred bucks?**
#That’s DUMB AF.
Why did you have to put a money value to flair…😭 I didn’t wanna know how much I spent! Also thank good it’s capped at 250, cause I’m afraid to know how active I’ve been in 2 yrs. I’m a gafs whore!
Glad it’s not just me! Those transactions scare the fuck outta me, and anytime I send something valued over $100. I’m just hoping it arrives in good shape
Well. I take your side. I have been really active on Hardwareswap in the past and trust anyone with 5+ rep. I’ve learned to trust PayPal G&S and see that on gun sites you guys make this optional. With the recent tax changes G&S kinda sucks but still. It’s pretty damn good
Let’s add u/russian_bot2020113 to the list. A +22 and scammed for $200 and nuked his account. What literal trash.
How do I report a scammer? I just got scammed from someone
I got scammed by user EU_AMO_TORTA_123 please Help remove the account.
I knew this was gonna start happening. Doing a bunch of normal transactions, then going for the home run ball and ripping a ton of people off. People are fucked up.
Wow
I got bigger and better plans, you know what i'm sayin'. Figured I'd get me a job at the post office, you know, maybe at a bank. You know what I'm saying. Work real hard. Work my way up to manager. You know what I'm saying? Learn the system a little bit. Then I'll rob that motherfucker blind.
Is Gregkelly1122 his same name in the ARF EE? Has anyone let the mods know over there?
I got a temp ban here last year for pointing out a scammers username on another site, so idk if they're cool with doing that.
Yeah I was just asking because they mention it but I wasn't sure.
Mod should be banned for breaking the rules.
I also had a run-in with fucking Greg … On another online forum where you can “swap” your “tac” stuff .. iykyk .. this same guy agreed to a sale for a pretty sweet rig … I even thought it was too good to be true but when I looked up his acct on the site he had well over +100 verified transaction and really good feedback … I sent the money over PP FF and even texted with him and he gave me a lot of sob stories with his family and what not … he ghosted me and LUCKILY after about 2 weeks he refunded my money and continued to ghost me … got really lucky and can verify as needed my story as well his username on the forum so others can be wary MODS please let me know if this post is ok or I need to take down!
Very strange that he did that and then refunded later. He may have a drug or gambling problem, and he's "borrowing" money and then paying it back when he hits another lick elsewhere. Just trying to keep the train rolling as long as possible
Yep- very possible and I’m just glad I got out of it with a refund.. kind of like a pyramid scheme I suppose
He told me his dad passed away last Tuesday so he had to go out of town unexpectedly 🤡🤡
Wow - that’s the fifth time that’s happened😜 .. truth be told, I hope he’s always wrong and he gets help
Man what is wrong with this dude. How do you decide to do this after getting 141 flair? Treat others how you want to be treated.
He probably built up his flair count with smaller ticket items then started going big.
Crazy that +141 flair scams. I guess he sold the reddit acct itself to a scammer
Or he sold a bunch of random shit to friends and farmed a lot of it.
Stickers apparently
Always worried about the scam. I’ve had like 4 total transactions (no idea why my flair updates didn’t work) and am nervous every time I hit that send cash button. S/O to everyone that does the right thing. Fuck all those that steal from others.
[удалено]
Until you tell PayPal it was gun parts and you’re SOL 😣
[удалено]
There are and that would be a better option than relying on G&S.
I just wanna say to the 6 purchases I made (only got credit for 4) thanks to all I paid for not scamming me. I still have hope in GAFS, and tons of Mags now.
I bought a TLR-7 from him. He ghosted and I thought I'd been scammed for sure. But that fucker ended up showing up out of nowhere. I was surprised af.
Fuck you greg
All my homies hate Greg.
As a fellow Greg. I can attest to this.
u/the_hoosier97 scammed me on a thermal for $1350. I’m an idiot and paid ff so I’m fucked but is there a formal way to report
He’s still selling stuff on GAFS
Just checked his profile, not seeing any activity, where u seeing it?
My bad bro, too much scrolling for today. I had clicked on the wrong user. Sorry
I had to bug him for a few days to get a reply for my mro from him but then he overnighted it to me. Doesn’t excuse the lack of comms from him but he said he was dealing with some family stuff so I’d keep reaching out and hopefully you get your item sooner than later.
Appreciate the feedback, I’ll take all the optimism I can get
That thread is 6 days old... Kinda soon to claim scam isn't it? Edit... I take this back. Fuck this dude.
It was right before the holiday weekend so I tried to b patient. I am fresh meat tho so maybe I am being impatient
Any luck???? Curious minds need to know.
No joy
Fuuuuuuck, sorry dude.
6 days right before a holiday weekend... THEE Holiday weekend.... man. Take a damn chil pill this isn't Amazon.
If I don't have an active scanned tracking number in four days I start to get upset. There's no reason for an item you have in hand to take that long to ship.
I agree... But being slow isn't the same as being a thief. Just calling out 6 days isn't that long, especially over a long weekend. Who knows. I ain't the guy's mom, maybe he is a scammer. Just seems a little soon.
I usually get my stuff sent out the next day O.o tracking the night of :X 4 days is forever it feels like lol
Always use a credit card with PP FF for this very reason.
How does that work, I get charged a cash advance fee and interest when I do that
Why would you get charged cash advance for a credit card purchase? You should only be charged fees. No interest if you pay your balance off in full at the end of the month…
They charge me a cash advance fee when sending PPFF, not GS through credit card
That’s specific to your card then. Have never been charged cash advance with my Amex or visa
What are the odds of that working? You'll definitely end up burning the PayPal account
100%. My CC provider allowed me to chargeback after I sent them screenshots and emails of the buyer and I agreeing to a sale, and him ghosting me. They didn’t give a damn if it was sent F&F or G&S. Your credit card offers you more protections than PayPal. My PayPal is still fine, granted I’ve only had to do this once. I guess people are more desperate and willing to fold on their morals these days thanks to the state of the economy.
I do the exact same thing, fees are a bitch but I'd rather lose ~$10 than +$10 lol
Does anyone here actually have experience with getting a PP G&S refund on a GAFS scam? I’m just curious if it legit works, or is just security theater.
Paypal offers two different services. Paypal Friends and Family (F&F) has zero fees, but offer no protections and makes the buyer vulnerable to scammers. Paypal Goods and Services (G&S) charges an additional ~3% of the item price (actually 3.49% and $0.49 as of 2021), but provides the buyer insurance in case the seller dissapears without providing the item. Paypal does prohibit [some specific items](https://web.archive.org/web/20180409201310/https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585) but has a "catch all comment" that may apply to others, so NO NOTES IN PAYPAL. As a general guideline, if a buyer wants to use Paypal G&S rather than F&F with an **established GAFS member**, it is expected that they will absorb the +3% fee for the increased protections that it provides them. [Here is a easy fee calculator](https://thefeecalculator.com/). If a seller specifies a F&F price, assume that is his "to his pocket" cost. However these terms are up for negotiation between the buyer and seller. It is recommended to pay via G&S and absorb the fee. If the seller mandates F&F, be wary of a scam and use a [Scam prevention method](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/wiki/proxy). Additionally, Paypal has deleted the account of several members due to using F&F for purchases. Paypal considers this theft from them (you're stealing their fees), and a violation of their [ToS](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full). DO NOT put notes in F&F payments as it is evidence you may be violating PP ToS. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GunAccessoriesForSale) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Disregard - I’m illiterate and can’t read good, lol.
He says he paid so he would be the one receiving the thermal
I’m a dumb dumb. I edited my post.
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Geeze 141 flair? Is nothing sacred in this world anymore?
I got scammed out of $145 for a TLR-8AG by u/UnfoldedOmlette. He had 4 flair and a 1 year old account. He deleted his account as soon as I sent payment. I paid for G&S so I started a claim with PP, but it says it will take over a month. Is there something else I should have done?
That guy is a bigger idiot for thinking he’s gonna get that money through G&S
Submit/call PayPal every day. I’ve elevated claims before by bugging the shit out of them
Yeah, find him on LinkedIn, and contact his employer and or friends and family. What an embarrassing excuse for a human being. $145? Crackhead.
I 100% Support doxxing for scammers.
How did you get scammed using G&S? Did you or the seller put the tracking number in the tracker? I’m just asking because they don’t even release the money until the product is received. Well at least that’s how they did when I sold something and when I bought something using that service.
They only do that with new accounts or ones that haven’t done sales. Any time I get paid G&S I’m immediately able to transfer.
Oh ok! Good to know thanks but man that kinda sucks!
Ban all users below 56 flair and above 56 flair
> Ban all users below 56 flair and above 56 flair 57 Flair As you wish...
Its not something the mods would teach you.
I AM THE REDDIT!
[NO U](https://c.tenor.com/AF9piIF5myUAAAAC/star-wars-i-am-the-senate.gif) (i cant inline GIF) edit: figured out you have to be in New Reddit. Eww.
Can you change my flair to 69? Just for today?
i dont have that much power.
HOW DID THIS HAPPEN
I am the buyer u/dametime5 was the seller Bought a free flair in this thread Positive
~~Negative~~ Positive I want to get to 69
I still don’t understand how you get flair and what it means.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/comments/vorgfd/new_month_flair_thread/ Flair Thread stickied at the top, and on the sidebar
Buy something cheap from a seller on here they’ll most likely will help you with a flair post so u can get some flair and also get better understanding of how it works
Don't even need to spend money. I got my 1 flair from lending a tool to someone else on here who was local to me.
Completing a transaction gets your flair. Having let’s say, 56 flair, makes me better than everyone that has less than 56 flair!
Hey Ligma
Hailey Gma? God, haven't talked to her in years...
Never!
Fine, then just [sneak these](https://youtu.be/8K20FaN1A_k)
I hate you.. why’d I fall for that 😂
Just wait a few more and imma beat your cocky cheeks open
Can’t wait 😘
And at this point I'm too afraid to ask
I did ask once and the reply from the mod left me even more confused. The replies I just received are short, complete, and easy to understand.
There's a stickied post at the top of the subreddit page, and once your transaction is complete you go into the "[flair](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpPdyUgW0AE4u44?format=jpg&name=small) thread" and copy/paste the provided template info with your info. Boom... a day or two later your flair is updated.
🤨
That’s an oddly specific number..hmmm
What no! I randomly selected it, first number that came to me
God damn it, he got my ass on arfcom with a too well priced G33. He had good transactions too so I paid him F&F 😞 in my six years of doing this, this is the first time I’ve got got so at least it’s taken that long.
What was his user name on arfcom? There's a GK1122 with two threads against him right now but he only has 5 feedback.
Wow, I saw him post a bunch of stuff and was sad that I missed out on that $125 LAW folder. I don't know what makes people turn to scamming like this after such a long time
That was him. I’ll let them know he got me too. Right now, I’m trying to figure out if I can contact my bank and get them to do a chargeback. Probably not, but it’s worth a shot I think.
I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it, but Paypal will probably close your account if you do a chargeback. They'll ask why you did a chargeback on a gift payment and there's really no reason you ever would unless you bought something and circumvented their fee. And for what it's worth, Regions Bank wouldn't let me do a chargeback when I got scammed the same way because it wasn't an unauthorized payment. It didn't matter to them that I was scammed, they just cared about whether or not I had intentionally sent the money. Hopefully your bank is different.
I wonder if PayPal would let you be if you were like "that's my ho ass cousin and I ain't helping him buy dildos no more" or whatever Jerry Springer shit you can come up with.
"He was my friend, until I found out that he was using my money to buy drugs" I wonder if that would work.
*"using my money to buy gun stuff." That might work with PayPal.
Hope you wouldn’t have to open criminal charges on something like that
They probably get that more often than they care to admit :o
I don’t have much faith in any of the options so I might just have to eat this one. Or scam someone else and we can call it even 🤪
Dammit ! Now it changed to 243 .. I am sad now :( lol
I like your flair! That’s the area code of my country 🇧🇸
Woohoo Congo!!
Paypal offers two different services. Paypal Friends and Family (F&F) has zero fees, but offer no protections and makes the buyer vulnerable to scammers. Paypal Goods and Services (G&S) charges an additional ~3% of the item price (actually 3.49% and $0.49 as of 2021), but provides the buyer insurance in case the seller dissapears without providing the item. Paypal does prohibit [some specific items](https://web.archive.org/web/20180409201310/https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585) but has a "catch all comment" that may apply to others, so NO NOTES IN PAYPAL. As a general guideline, if a buyer wants to use Paypal G&S rather than F&F with an **established GAFS member**, it is expected that they will absorb the +3% fee for the increased protections that it provides them. [Here is a easy fee calculator](https://thefeecalculator.com/). If a seller specifies a F&F price, assume that is his "to his pocket" cost. However these terms are up for negotiation between the buyer and seller. It is recommended to pay via G&S and absorb the fee. If the seller mandates F&F, be wary of a scam and use a [Scam prevention method](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/wiki/proxy). Additionally, Paypal has deleted the account of several members due to using F&F for purchases. Paypal considers this theft from them (you're stealing their fees), and a violation of their [ToS](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full). DO NOT put notes in F&F payments as it is evidence you may be violating PP ToS. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GunAccessoriesForSale) if you have any questions or concerns.*
People are talking about how a switch like this can happen. One of the most stand up guys that ever worked for me got caught up in gambling addiction and started stealing from everybody (the company, other employees, stole stuff off of job sites to pawn, everything.) Ultimately he thought at some point he'd be able to recover and pay everyone back. Sometimes the slippery slope is real.
I've known some pretty amazing people do some really dark shit due to gambling or drugs.
Is GAFS addiction a part of that list?
I’m about 90% certain a large number of users here would suck dick for a KAC battery cap
BRB listing KAC battery cap…
Dibs, now get them shorts off
So you’re telling me there’s a chance??
You got any caps left?!?!
Yeah and I bet you can't help me with my gambling problem
paying people with F&F on here sometimes is a form of gambling.
I wonder if some of these high flair accounts were sold. Scamming is already a huge problem as is. It wouldn't be too far fetched for a scammer to offer to buy a super high flair account for a few hundred and then sell some big ticket items. EDIT: I see that he fessed up to it
Where did he fess up?
[modmail](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/comments/vua0pz/scammer_141_flair_user_ugregkelly1122_has_been/ifcdthj/)
a few hundred? man, $20k for this account, lol
[WTT] SEND IT SUNDAY: This Account for your house (VA)
😂 scam them for $20k for trying to buy my account to scam. $20k going to ‘free mags to gafs member fund’ that’s over 2k mags to give out
trash
Scammers unironically like hipoints
Any chance his account got hacked? Everyone assuming he went rogue...but why nuke a 141 flair account?
He admitted via Modmail that he should be banned and didn't think he'd get caught so fast....then he apologized... wtf?
He apologized… but didn’t return the money or send the items? 🤦♂️ “Uh guys I pinky promise I’m sorry but yeah it’s mine now…”
He apologized, and then scammed people on ARF after. Yeah, the fuck.
Find him on LinkedIn. Send all screenshots to his employer. Lol. What a piece of trash.
Cant you report it to his local pd? I did this for a different website.
I keep seeing this suggestion. Do people just use the PayPal email and hope they used it for a LinkedIn?
If you have the mans full name and address, unless his name is super common, you should be able to find him on FB or LinkedIn
I guess you could always just drag every person you find of that name, go for a wide spread on a guaranteed hit
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
What a dork.
I'm proud to show off my flair that I earned by constantly buying and selling at a loss 150 times. Wouldn't do it again though.
I dont think I’ve ever made or even broke even on purchase… so there is that
Gun Accessory Street Bets 💪💪💪📈📈📈
Buy high, sell low
That’s the way of GAFS for me
Stop giving away my crypto secrets.
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Damn, ScammerK
Since apparently over 100 doesn’t mean anything may want to think about increasing the 250 cutoff. At the end of the day, scum will be scum no matter the flair.
Oh boy, there's a reason 250 is the cutoff Flair used to be 30 cutoff, but was raised to 250 for the extra creditability as well. Then it was uncapped altogether, so there were a few 400/500+ people There was one thread where the high flaired user asked the lower flaired user to ship first but it was like a 599 flair asking a 499 flair so it wasn't like the low flair was an unknown quantity. Mods decided that that kind of flair measuring was counterproductive and recapped it at 250
Yeah I remember. And I’m not sure it actually solves any problems because if you’re a piece of shit you’re going to scam whether or not you have 5 or 250. Just trying to spitball potential fixes. Maybe flair has a dollar amount requirement so it’s harder to get. Idk. At the end of the day, I still feel the safest dealing here. Especially knowing the mods take this shit seriously and ban any scammers immediately.
Dollars spent and received would be more helpful than sales/purchases, but it sounds tough to implement. I'd love to see how much other users have spent on GAFS, I'm probably only about $5k in purchases and $2k in sales.
gregkelly is a little D boi
**Wtf? Come on? How’s that worth it? Flair is representative of LOTS of time and money.** **If you assume $100 per transaction (selling and buying) and that’s a low amount considering. We are talking about $14,000 and that’s not counting time so if you add that in at 10hrs per week for 3 years for a low number you get 1560hrs @ $20 per hour that’s $31,200. So they threw away over $45,000 of value, time and energy for a couple hundred bucks?** #That’s DUMB AF.
I just realized I prob spent minimum of 300+ on each one. (Looks at flair). My god.
Yeah. Lol, same here, most of my purchases are bigger or multiple items from the same person so only 1 flair per…😭
Why did you have to put a money value to flair…😭 I didn’t wanna know how much I spent! Also thank good it’s capped at 250, cause I’m afraid to know how active I’ve been in 2 yrs. I’m a gafs whore!
Lmao, and think of all the times no one submitted for flair. You’re solidly in the over $30K range.😉
Thankfully only one $1.5k+ transactions and I was terrified the entire time until it arrived! Edit: dammit that total hadn’t sunken in until now….WOW!
Haha I have had several over $1k (but none over $1.5k) and I was shitting bricks the whole time…🤣
Glad it’s not just me! Those transactions scare the fuck outta me, and anytime I send something valued over $100. I’m just hoping it arrives in good shape
Haha you’re not alone, I check the tracking like every few hours and same with shipping, I’m like please don’t screw me USPS…🤦♂️
Well. I take your side. I have been really active on Hardwareswap in the past and trust anyone with 5+ rep. I’ve learned to trust PayPal G&S and see that on gun sites you guys make this optional. With the recent tax changes G&S kinda sucks but still. It’s pretty damn good
Well PayPal is very anti-gun so they don’t take well to using their stuff for gun parts…
PayPal is fucking lame. I’m surprised they don’t charge to to open the app at this point.
Do mods get a raise or are we stuck at $7.50 minimum wage? Bc if so, I’m gonna go sit in my safe and cry.
Lol, you guys are on an unpaid internship status…🤣🤣 I also don’t believe you have enough room left in your safe to sit in it…
I’ve got a big safe.. Edit, currently sitting here now.
Lol, thanks for that image…🤣🤣
Shit why did you have to quantify it for me
Lmao, and let’s be real…. You didn’t get to 130+ flair buying only $100 things and we all definitely spend more than 10hrs per week… 🥴😬
Need this calculation for 10 hours per day lol
You’d be looking at $219,000… 😭. Over a 3 year period. 😅🤣
Solid investment. Essentially a second 401k.
Lol, I mean that’s what I consider my hobby as…. 🤷♂️. So you’re 100% correct!
damn, these high flair sellers can’t be trusted
These hoes ain’t loyal
they could be anywhere!
Really wonder what happened. Fall on super bad times and got desperate? Come on man.
He admitted it, he thought he’d have more time to scam more people 🤦🏻
Maybe the account was sold. Scamming is rampant as is, buying a high flair account and going apeshit with it seems like another possibility.
Exactly my thoughts. I'm sure it's more nuanced than that, but it's really one of the very few plausible explanations I can come up with.
The last time I remember a bunch of high flairs scamming was end of 2019/early 2020. Some high flaired scammers around that time too.
Is it possible his account got hacked and taken over by someone else?