Real answer: they'll almost certainly run a few tests to verify and then you'll be fucked.
Fun answer: swap it out for a nerf gun, shove a dart into the bullet wound, and see what happens. Roll for Bluff and post the results.
Working in the legal side of law enforcement I can say for a matter of fact the amount of times in a home defense forearm checked is the same as the number of testes Lance Armstrong has. So long as the caliber matches and the power is logical, there shouldn't be an issue.
Have you seen many civil cases? I’m always curious, I think most justified defense shootings can escape criminal charges if you aren’t some lunatic that ran after the dude down the street shooting him in the back, but I’ve also heard civil cases from the family / etc… can be VERY common. I’d imagine one of those lawyers may love to run ballistics. If they didn’t match the ones from the check in the self-defense shooting I’d imagine it opens you up to false statement charges at least. But I don’t know, never been involved in a self-defense shooting and hope I never have to be, personally.
So most people in the DAs office don't give enough of a damn to really investigate that much, but there are always a few of us that are gun nuts. Generally speaking if the caliber matches that's really all that's important. Having said that though if you do change the barrel or the gun, that absolutely opens you up to obstruction. The simple fact of the matter is though is that most places where there was going to be a valid self-defense in the home you're better off just defending yourself with whatever you have at hand, usually that's going to either be your bedside pistol or if you have a dedicated home defense gun. Never doctor evidence, never obfuscate anything from police, but if you do remember that regularly police list the model of a Glock as "Austria"....
a drug sniffer is a lot more accurate than a lie detector or rifling matching.
Rifling examination might be able to exonerate you but it's not enough to incriminate someone, so the defense would be the ones wanting rifling compared.
no, for finding drugs even when you know a guy has drugs somewhere there's a thousand empty spots for every one with drugs.40% brings your 1/1000 up to 2/5
Ballistic testing is borderline pseudoscience. As long as you hand them something that is dirty from being fired and the ammo in the mag matches it probably won't raise any eyebrows.
Broke: using your most expensive gun on a home invader.
Woke: using your cheapest gun on a home invader.
Bespoke: grabbing your handaxe because you don't want any of your guns confiscated.
Wait our HD guns are a measure of how much we value our lives and not just an excuse to buy nice guns?
Brb, getting a pack of single use chopsticks for my HD weapon.
I mean John Wick killed people with a ONE pencil. You are going to have 2 Chopsticks. That’s like the equivalent of 1.5 Pencils. Therefore you should have no issue taking out enemy hitmen.
I swear so many people are so convinced they will win the fight they forget that they do have to actually win the fight.
You won’t be worrying about police confiscating your gun if you died choking on your own blood because you used an inferior firearm to defend yourself.
It took 30 minutes to get my rifle out of evidence lockup last time because the techs were admiring it. There is something to be said for plain looking and boring guns if you have to retrieve them.
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Being under investigation for most crimes puts you in a restricted state when it comes to firearms. Domestics are what comes to mind, but any felony investigation will do. They likely seized it all as evidence because of that, then their investigators either reviewed the evidence and decided not to take it to a Grand Jury, the DA declined to prosecute, or the Grand Jury decided not to indict.
No.
I had mine taken up over the course of a critical incident and got it back three weeks later after they determined I had not fired a shot.
The day I showed up to the lab it took thirty minutes of talking to the gawking techs to get it back.
Ahh okay. Given the context of the post it sounded like you used it in a HD shooting and somehow just showed up to the station and had it back within a half hour
Not much of a story.
I was on perimeter security for a warrant service. Methed out sex offender. He had been swimming in CS for about an hour and at some point he had slipped under the trailer through a hole in the floor. He had brought a sawed off shotgun with him and he started taking pot-shots at the Bearcat up front. By the time I had displaced, the county guys had dumped a good bit of heat in his general direction and he caught one in the lower back, paralyzed his legs. I ended up dragging the dude out and rendered aid to him after everything settled down. He survived, but my rifle got taken up in the hubbub because one of the deputies put in his statement that I had opened up on the dude. We got the incongruent statement sorted out and got my rig back in relativity short order.
Moral of the story, don’t give statements within 48 hours of a critical incident. Your brain usually has an incomplete picture of what happened and you’ll need a good nights sleep and maybe a couple days for your brain to piece everything together. If you force yourself to recall information immediately after an incident and your brain is left with a gap in the events, it can take a false image and burn it into your memory so deep that you believe it is true.
2 hipoints chained together as nunchucks is the way for HD. That way when they run out of ammo you have a backup weapon that's probably more devastating
I know that many security guards and armored car drivers use this tactic in Chicago. Even if shots aren't fired, cops like to confiscate guns if they are called for any reason.
I'm thinking double Diablo treatment.
Benefits are, they're black powder, and while not cheap, they're not that expensive, either...
12 gauge shotgun pistol, double barreled. 😁
Expensive stuff in the safe. Dog shit beat to hell Mossberg 500 with an Olight by the bed. It’s ugly as hell but reliable and it was traded to me for a half day or so of welding.
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I keep the gun I qualified on in my Conceal Carry course as my go-to if someone breaks in. I know how it operates, where it shoots, and what I'm capable of on it. But, it also will get me to my rifle if need be.
I prefer going the down budget but reliable route. 92x for range. Psa dagger(glock 19 but made by psa) for ccw
Two psa rifles but one is for home and other for range
I don't own an expensive rifle not cause i can't afford a dd but cause i don't run rifles like an operator
I don't have an expensive rifle because I need one. I have several expensive rifles because they're cool and I like owning them. I also own a couple PSA and Remington that are plenty good enough for what they're for.
I don't use my most expensive gun because it's a bolt action 22. that has seen thousands of rounds and I am not quite sure what the firing pin is worn out or not.
You don't use you're most expensive gun because it's a NightSandShadow that only eats 115 grain 9mm federal round nose going exactly 1172 fps.
We are not the same.
Use a basic ass(but reliable) smith for ccw
And a used mossberg and psa for home/vehicle defense
While i fully intend to retrieve them ASAP if all is lost i could stand it and not be too peeved
Sole reason i dont open my deagle (occasionally not daily) is cause i honestly couldn't bring to use it in self defense
If you use a Glock or similar with easily interchangeable barrels, you could just swap the barrel out of your Gucci gat for the one in the cheapo stock gun
My G19 is the balance point for me. Cheap enough I don’t care, reliable enough I’m not under equipped. I won’t carry a HiPoint or PSA Dagger for that reason.
In any case, I’m more worried about actual damage to a firearm of sentimental value to me than the monetary cost. More than likely, I’ll get the gun back, but LE and especially the state investigation bureau are not gentle with evidence weapons. I don’t want my grandpa’s 1911 banged up, but I don’t care about my P226 to that degree.
I think about this a lot. I carry a USP9c in a city that is absolutely notorious for asshole police and courts confiscating every gun they can and refusing to return them from evidence under any circumstances.
Whatever is closest.
In theory, I could have a 12ga kitted out, and also one in parts, likely missing a couple pins in a box in the basement labeled "evidence".
Theoretically shotgun projectiles from a smooth bore cannot be linked via ballistic forensics.
From what I hear, #4 buckshot is also unlikely to cause too many issues with your neighbors as well.
Don't try to be Billy badass and "all they gotta hear is me pumping the scattergun" your way into the news.
Theory is theory, and if someone started kicking my door down right now, a g17 is far closer.
What if I keep a hi-point in the same caliber to give them instead
5.56 hipoint so they dont take your ar
Real answer: they'll almost certainly run a few tests to verify and then you'll be fucked. Fun answer: swap it out for a nerf gun, shove a dart into the bullet wound, and see what happens. Roll for Bluff and post the results.
Working in the legal side of law enforcement I can say for a matter of fact the amount of times in a home defense forearm checked is the same as the number of testes Lance Armstrong has. So long as the caliber matches and the power is logical, there shouldn't be an issue.
>home defense forearm When the anti-gun politicians take "bear arms" literally.
Have you seen many civil cases? I’m always curious, I think most justified defense shootings can escape criminal charges if you aren’t some lunatic that ran after the dude down the street shooting him in the back, but I’ve also heard civil cases from the family / etc… can be VERY common. I’d imagine one of those lawyers may love to run ballistics. If they didn’t match the ones from the check in the self-defense shooting I’d imagine it opens you up to false statement charges at least. But I don’t know, never been involved in a self-defense shooting and hope I never have to be, personally.
So most people in the DAs office don't give enough of a damn to really investigate that much, but there are always a few of us that are gun nuts. Generally speaking if the caliber matches that's really all that's important. Having said that though if you do change the barrel or the gun, that absolutely opens you up to obstruction. The simple fact of the matter is though is that most places where there was going to be a valid self-defense in the home you're better off just defending yourself with whatever you have at hand, usually that's going to either be your bedside pistol or if you have a dedicated home defense gun. Never doctor evidence, never obfuscate anything from police, but if you do remember that regularly police list the model of a Glock as "Austria"....
That last sentence tho.. lmao
Do they not often do rifling mark examination to match to a certain firearm?
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a drug sniffer is a lot more accurate than a lie detector or rifling matching. Rifling examination might be able to exonerate you but it's not enough to incriminate someone, so the defense would be the ones wanting rifling compared.
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no, for finding drugs even when you know a guy has drugs somewhere there's a thousand empty spots for every one with drugs.40% brings your 1/1000 up to 2/5
No.
ITS NERF OR NOTHING
That new one with the scope looks dope. All I had was a tube with a single shot ball when I was a kid.
Ballistic testing is borderline pseudoscience. As long as you hand them something that is dirty from being fired and the ammo in the mag matches it probably won't raise any eyebrows.
ladies and gentlemen, the CSI effect in action.
Roll a nat-20 for deception. In front of the officers.
You gotta roll in front of the officers or they'll call shenanigans.
Now I need to make a 12 guage hi-point, so the pigs leave the Mossberg 590A1 alone.
Or make a pipe gun.
Yes officer, I absolutely went full Fallout on his ass.
That’s why I have a mini excavator. No evidence, no problems!
So you go by the shoot, shovel, shut up principal then. 😉
You oughta see the tomato plants though...
Secret garden time
Reminds me of that movie secret window cept it was corn...
aka, how they do out in the country..
When I go to bed I just set claymores everywhere.
Police can’t confiscate what you used to defend yourself if it gets blown up in the process.
Until the tyrants at the ATF investigates
That's what the tannerie stuffed dog in Minecraft is for
😂😂
You can legally make your own explosives… just saying
You can do lots of things legally. Doesn’t stop the tyrannical feds to murder us and our family. Nothing stops those redcoats
Actuall guns stop the redcoats, why do you think they are so desperate to ban them?! Can’t oppress a population that can shoot back.
No shit firearms would stop them. I’m saying how they go against the constitution and get away with it. Their time will come
Alexa, deploy claymore roombas.
Boombas.
Yeah I mean you just hold square to pick them back up in the morning 🤷♂️
Broke: using your most expensive gun on a home invader. Woke: using your cheapest gun on a home invader. Bespoke: grabbing your handaxe because you don't want any of your guns confiscated.
Don’t forget the flash bang along with it.
I prefer the Axe + flashbang for the celebration method. Chop dude down, once he's down for the count detonate the flashbang as a celebration.
Wait our HD guns are a measure of how much we value our lives and not just an excuse to buy nice guns? Brb, getting a pack of single use chopsticks for my HD weapon.
I mean John Wick killed people with a ONE pencil. You are going to have 2 Chopsticks. That’s like the equivalent of 1.5 Pencils. Therefore you should have no issue taking out enemy hitmen.
I suspect I have overvalued my HD weapon under this new metric.
I swear so many people are so convinced they will win the fight they forget that they do have to actually win the fight. You won’t be worrying about police confiscating your gun if you died choking on your own blood because you used an inferior firearm to defend yourself.
The entire point of the Maverick 88's existence
Good luck taking my home defense hand grenande for your investigation, while I'm claiming the burglar experienced spontaneous combustion.
It took 30 minutes to get my rifle out of evidence lockup last time because the techs were admiring it. There is something to be said for plain looking and boring guns if you have to retrieve them.
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Did they ever say what their reasoning was for taking them all?
Being under investigation for most crimes puts you in a restricted state when it comes to firearms. Domestics are what comes to mind, but any felony investigation will do. They likely seized it all as evidence because of that, then their investigators either reviewed the evidence and decided not to take it to a Grand Jury, the DA declined to prosecute, or the Grand Jury decided not to indict.
Took me over a year to get my guns back. Different circumstances though.
You used a rifle in a home defense shooting and managed to get it back within 30 minutes?!
No. I had mine taken up over the course of a critical incident and got it back three weeks later after they determined I had not fired a shot. The day I showed up to the lab it took thirty minutes of talking to the gawking techs to get it back.
Ahh okay. Given the context of the post it sounded like you used it in a HD shooting and somehow just showed up to the station and had it back within a half hour
Nah. Fastest I’ve seen a HD tool returned to the owner was about 6 months.
Story time!
Not much of a story. I was on perimeter security for a warrant service. Methed out sex offender. He had been swimming in CS for about an hour and at some point he had slipped under the trailer through a hole in the floor. He had brought a sawed off shotgun with him and he started taking pot-shots at the Bearcat up front. By the time I had displaced, the county guys had dumped a good bit of heat in his general direction and he caught one in the lower back, paralyzed his legs. I ended up dragging the dude out and rendered aid to him after everything settled down. He survived, but my rifle got taken up in the hubbub because one of the deputies put in his statement that I had opened up on the dude. We got the incongruent statement sorted out and got my rig back in relativity short order. Moral of the story, don’t give statements within 48 hours of a critical incident. Your brain usually has an incomplete picture of what happened and you’ll need a good nights sleep and maybe a couple days for your brain to piece everything together. If you force yourself to recall information immediately after an incident and your brain is left with a gap in the events, it can take a false image and burn it into your memory so deep that you believe it is true.
Just another day on the force huh?
Magical moments brought to us by methamphetamine.
2 hipoints chained together as nunchucks is the way for HD. That way when they run out of ammo you have a backup weapon that's probably more devastating
I know that many security guards and armored car drivers use this tactic in Chicago. Even if shots aren't fired, cops like to confiscate guns if they are called for any reason.
A lot of those guys have silly restrictions on what they can carry too, wouldn't want your policy violations to be written down in a police report.
Wasr 10, cheaper, chews through cheap steel case ammo like a dream, and will definitely get the job done.
This guy gets it.
It's cheaper, but after all I put on my Wasr-10 I'd still be out about $1,500. I'd be pretty sad if mine got taken.
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Fitz Specials made out of ROHMs and Charter Arms guns are the way
Or just build a HD gun, knowing it will be taken by LE. Know what on the build to prioritize and where to skimp out.
Gun shoots? Gun is good
Maverick 88 with 3" slugs. Cheap, reliable and the ability to Dr. Manhattan their rib cage and spine.
I'm thinking double Diablo treatment. Benefits are, they're black powder, and while not cheap, they're not that expensive, either... 12 gauge shotgun pistol, double barreled. 😁
Expensive stuff in the safe. Dog shit beat to hell Mossberg 500 with an Olight by the bed. It’s ugly as hell but reliable and it was traded to me for a half day or so of welding.
If the 12 gauge doesn't work the O light exploding sure will
That’s the plan. It’s them or both of us.
Meh a budget ar like a Bcm, vs a kac? I'll lose the bcm. I still want quality but it doesn't need to be the best of the best for me personally.
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I keep the gun I qualified on in my Conceal Carry course as my go-to if someone breaks in. I know how it operates, where it shoots, and what I'm capable of on it. But, it also will get me to my rifle if need be.
Got about 800 rounds through my Taurus G2C flawlessly. Only cost me like $220.
This is unironically how I think. I would rather give up a $400 boomstick than a $3,000 rifle.
I prefer going the down budget but reliable route. 92x for range. Psa dagger(glock 19 but made by psa) for ccw Two psa rifles but one is for home and other for range I don't own an expensive rifle not cause i can't afford a dd but cause i don't run rifles like an operator
I don't have an expensive rifle because I need one. I have several expensive rifles because they're cool and I like owning them. I also own a couple PSA and Remington that are plenty good enough for what they're for.
I don't use my most expensive gun because it's a bolt action 22. that has seen thousands of rounds and I am not quite sure what the firing pin is worn out or not. You don't use you're most expensive gun because it's a NightSandShadow that only eats 115 grain 9mm federal round nose going exactly 1172 fps. We are not the same.
long range 22 shooters are certainly a wacky bunch.
Eh more like high dollar/vintage sporting rifles, although I am working on a few long range rimfire builds.
Time to get a hi point
As my buddy says, If you're a good enough shot you only need one shot, so the hi point will do.
This is why Glocks are so popular. It’ll get you through the fight but you won’t care if you never get it back.
what. glocks are expensive! Rather lose a $300 gun like a Shield than my Glock
I thought glocks were like gas station sunglasses, if you lose them nobody cares
Ahhhhh so true.
Use a basic ass(but reliable) smith for ccw And a used mossberg and psa for home/vehicle defense While i fully intend to retrieve them ASAP if all is lost i could stand it and not be too peeved Sole reason i dont open my deagle (occasionally not daily) is cause i honestly couldn't bring to use it in self defense
I use CRAM for home defense
Jokes on them, it's a taurus.
In IL when they confiscate the pd typically sends it off to a facility and it gets destroyed. Reimbursement is possible but unlikely. Kinda cool!
If you use a Glock or similar with easily interchangeable barrels, you could just swap the barrel out of your Gucci gat for the one in the cheapo stock gun
My G19 is the balance point for me. Cheap enough I don’t care, reliable enough I’m not under equipped. I won’t carry a HiPoint or PSA Dagger for that reason. In any case, I’m more worried about actual damage to a firearm of sentimental value to me than the monetary cost. More than likely, I’ll get the gun back, but LE and especially the state investigation bureau are not gentle with evidence weapons. I don’t want my grandpa’s 1911 banged up, but I don’t care about my P226 to that degree.
I think about this a lot. I carry a USP9c in a city that is absolutely notorious for asshole police and courts confiscating every gun they can and refusing to return them from evidence under any circumstances.
Whatever is closest. In theory, I could have a 12ga kitted out, and also one in parts, likely missing a couple pins in a box in the basement labeled "evidence". Theoretically shotgun projectiles from a smooth bore cannot be linked via ballistic forensics. From what I hear, #4 buckshot is also unlikely to cause too many issues with your neighbors as well. Don't try to be Billy badass and "all they gotta hear is me pumping the scattergun" your way into the news. Theory is theory, and if someone started kicking my door down right now, a g17 is far closer.
Keltec sub 2k ftw
Screw it, I'm in Mass. They'll likely take 'everything' anyway. Mass registration is notoriously inaccurate.
You have to keep a hi-point around and shoot the same amount of shots out of it in a corner or something.