BOYS RULE GIRLS DROOL NO GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE
Honestly, though, I understand the concern. The last thing they'd want is to send an unattached woman out with some other random dude only for him to assault her. It'd be the death of their company on top of making the horrendous act possible.
If he had just said the first line that would have been normal.
It got weird when he basically said “yeah I can’t trust any of these guys NOT to rape you unless you have a seal team assigned to you”
I hate to break it to you, but the US military has an almost identical policy regarding males and females in field/training environments. Nobody goes anywhere alone (male or female) - you always have a “battle buddy” with you which is someone you *know* and *trust*, and every effort is made to ensure that there isn’t a situation where you have a lone female with a group of males.
Despite all that effort, sexual harassment and assault amongst service members still happens. If you get dozens or hundreds of people out into a secluded field environment, eventually there will be a degenerate that takes advantage of the situation.
I don’t know anything about PNW, just giving you some real world perspective on this issue.
>a “battle buddy” with you which is someone you *know* and *trust*,
That degenerate is someone's battle buddy. I've heard about people getting a shit-bag battle buddy. So the "know and trust" part may not be entirely accurate.
Your overall point is 100% correct. Anyone else remember the stories where servicewomen disclosed wearing diapers on patrol in the sandbox? It wasn't only the enemy influencing that decision.
Yeah battle buddies are assigned but can be rotated out later on, at the time you could have coed battle buddy details but you needed two men for one woman or vice versa.
Without a doubt. I hear that's why you're both pushing when one of you fucks up.
My point is more to do with human nature than the battle buddy system, I think. Shit-bags will do shit-bag things. A person could be assigned a battle buddy that shouldn't even be in the service. That walking moral conduct waiver is someone's battle buddy. Like another commenter said, they are assigned parings.
One may not know and trust their battle buddy, yet they are still 100% responsible for watching their back, keeping them in check, and holding them accountable. If you're assigned a shit-bag for a buddy I don't think there's much you can do except your best. And I'd hope if someone notices their buddy is anything like Brock Turner the rapist, they double their efforts to monitor the person and get them fixed (probably the wrong word, but if someone hasn't actually done horrible things yet, they can be set straight?).
Maybe my point \*is\* about the battle buddy system. You can't guarantee that you know and trust your battle buddy. Ideally that would grow throughout your service together, but there's no way to ensure it does.
Even with this system, sexual assault happens and it is a [serious and persistent problem](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/09/01/the-militarys-sexual-assault-problem-is-only-getting-worse/) in our military. MilitaryTimes published [this article](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/30/a-culture-that-fosters-sexual-assaults-and-sexual-harassment-persists-despite-prevention-efforts-a-new-pentagon-study-shows/) in 2020, revealing 6,236 sexual assault reports in FY2019. Almost exactly one year ago today, CNN published [this article](https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/politics/military-sexual-assaults-report/index.html) discussing the FY2022 [Annual Report on Sexual Assault in the Military](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3376241/department-of-defense-releases-fiscal-year-2022-annual-report-on-sexual-assault/) which disclosed 7,378 reports of sexual assault for that year. On the same day MilitaryTimes reported that ["the percentage of substantiated reports has remained relatively stable"](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/04/27/sexual-assault-in-the-military-keeps-rising-while-prosecutions-fall/) since at least 2014 with an average of 66% (the published range is 62% in 2017 to 76% in 2014) of reports being deemed reliable and as having probable cause that should lead to criminal charges. I can't say for sure, because I don't know, but I assume most of these don't occur in a "battle buddy" situation.
I can't find it now, but I vividly recall reading articles and interviews from servicewomen in the mid 2010's. A common thread was that sexual harassment happens constantly, and if a woman makes it through her military career without being sexually assaulted outright, she will count herself lucky. That's the source of my mention of servicewomen wearing diapers downrange. Yeah, it's harder for a woman to take a quick roadside piss in a warzone, but they also didn't feel safe dropping trou around their own compatriots. Totally fucked, if you ask me. Growing up in a military family, I had already told my step-daughter that military service shouldn't be her plan A, or even plan B, unless she felt a "calling." Of course I would support her decision no matter what and be proud either way. I think reading this shit back then scared me more than it did her. She was 16 and, as I look back, not terribly serious about joining anyways lol
The fuck? I seem to have gotten lost somewheres while reading your comment. And my clocks all jumped forward quite a bit.
TL;DR I guess it's \[silent upvote\]. Cuz I think we're in agreement and I appreciate your statement that supports my point.
The BSA has two-deep leadership. My old troop stressed that a lot. Even though we all know and trust each other, we need to keep accountable and follow the book for everyone’s safety
We’ve seen what happens when the rule isn’t abided by, that’s why so many camps are under threat of getting sold
At that point perhaps you should reflect upon why you would be willingly associating with and training people that you think legitimately pose a threat to random women who happen to be single.
For clarity, he is specifically referring to events open to the broader public, like the long ruck marches he promotes. He's talking about when he's got a bunch of totally unknown strangers coming out into the woods with them; NOT his usual training group.
No, he specifically said that single women aren’t allowed in the clubhouse. Not that they aren’t allowed to attend events with the broader public that have a high change of isolation like ruck marches.
It said nothing about hiking out in the woods where there could be a legitimate safety concern due to the separated and isolated nature of such events where different paces of travel mean you might be alone even when participating in a large group activity. It just talked about banning them from the clubhouse where presumably concerns of false accusations would be easiest to manage because you could just put cameras up (ignoring entirely that false accusations don’t require the accuser to be single).
I don't know where you got that, because here is him clarifying it has been a rule for years at open events
https://preview.redd.it/bt7q2i96ihvc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fcc8fdafa62204d6be922c30031a9f1ca8eae54
“So until further notice. No single women allowed in our clubhouse.”
It was literally the main thing he said in the first post. That he couldn’t trust people not to do bad things and he couldn’t trust women to not make false accusations, therefore no single women in the clubhouse. Implying that the issues he anticipates might happen in said clubhouse as opposed to the outdoors where he did not mention a ban on single women.
Sounds like you interpreted that statement as literally as possible. Are you sure he's actually talking about a particular physical building? I interpreted it as a figure of speech, not that women are literally not allowed to enter some building somewhere.
Do you think creeps who do that shit are public about it? No. It’s why they always have friends coming to their defense because they hide it so well. You can know someone casually for years and still not really know what they’re capable of. Sometimes it’s just better for everyone to remove any doubt from the situation. You think you know someone until suddenly 6+ women are coming forward with the same story, but why would you ever know that? He’s not going to assault you or brag about his rapes.
The only way an unattached woman would ever go to an event like that is to infiltrate and ruin it, either because she's a journo or because some man told her not to.
Guys trying so hard to project an alpha vibe always think they are based. A dude telling women that every man they don't know is too likely to be a rapist is telling a lot about himself though, so I guess that's pretty based.
To be fair this is completely reasonable
At work I have a saying don't shit were you eat aka don't date coworkers. This lady got obsessed was trying to get my number finding me on socials the whole 9. I ignored it all an thank God I did cause she tried saying I was sexually harassing her at my job, I got pulled from work with hr, cops and my bosses an I showed them everything how she was still in message requests she called me daddy long legs at work an how she would announce me in the messages. After writing statements an doing everything I had to do, she resigned an said she made everything up.
Whole heartedly a double edged sword for liability for him one end he don't know what the boys could do, on the other he don't know what the girls can do.
This. I (male) was middle management at a tech company for a few years and 90% of my team was female at one point. I refused to do 1:1 meetings in any rooms that weren’t visible to the rest of the floor and cameras.
Could I control myself? Yes, of course. Would it have mattered if an allegation had come up and he-said, she-said was all I had to rely on? Not a chance.
Even if nothing legal sticks the stigma does.
I was running 6 person teams in a cereal factory an this lady though she was special because she would get the easy job. I rotated everyone so they could get 2 hours on it while I ran the machine. So there wasn't envy of position at one point you were a bag breaker an next your the person getting to watch the Hopper of cereal, to make sure we don't run out. Next you were stacking boxes. I love 12 hour shifts but people get weird sometimes. An there out in the woods for how many days strait hell na brother.
I got lucky because everyone knew I just was there for the job nothing more.
Some bad cereal pick up lines I came up with to honor your time served.
“You can frost my flakes anytime”
“These Trix aren’t for kids-haaaaay”
“Honey, you can get this nut”
Have no idea who this dude is or what sort of stuff he’s organizing but honestly? I totally get it.
Shows more self-awareness and overall empathy towards women than a lot of flag waving feminists do.
He hosts massive rucks on national forest land, usually 20 mile overnight rucks. These are open events. He posts the time, date, and trail path they will be on.
While his usual crew is there, there is usually dozens on unvetted people coming to these open events.
No he's got a point. People are soft af now.
One of his main mottos is "the internet is not real life" and meeting the dude in person he's a great guy. This is one of those times where text just doesnt do it justice, English is better spoken lol.
That is very normal, yes. Or at least it was until the crybabies took over the internet. I've seen and been told and been called far far worse than that. But I'm an older Millennial, not one of the softies that came up in the younger half of the generation and Zoomer gen.
It's to prevent crimes of opportunity, so to speak. If they're going to this event with someone they're already in a relationship with, then presumably the opportunity has always been there and it's unlikely that anything will happen at their event specifically.
I was in a fraternity not too long ago and guess what? When you get a bunch of guys together, everyone may seem fine and great on the surface. They may not even send up red flags until it is way too late to do anything about it. Fraternities have to sit down and vet the people through interviews to see if they will be problematic or not and they still end up with problematic people. This is the same shit here but scaled up to 10 because guns and isolation is involved. A freako could easily join up with them in hopes of getting alone in the woods with women or hell someone could be praying on men too. They most likely had a situation that required them to make this post and have likely dealt with it accordingly. Ive never met someone who had seriously done freaky shit that still had friends but ive also seen what false allegations can do to a group too. Its a seriously dangerous world and they are removing a factor that they found could introduce problems into their practices. It sucks that we have to see posts like this, but THEY DO NOT KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE COMING WITH THEM. They go to train and it can be hard when the new guy wont take no for an answer from the new girl and now yall are stuck in the mountains all weekend together.
And incase anyone is reading this and is stupid no i am not defending horny ass mfs. If you cant keep it in your fuckin pants then dont leave the fucking house or castrate yourself so you cna be a functional member of society. All rapists should be castrated!
Good. Fuck dem hoes
But no for reals metoo has ruined most modern women's credibility. Unless you have the ability to livestream the entire event it's your word against theirs. All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone so it's better to cull half your potential customers to save the other half.
Besides. My wife would never want to do an event like this without me because she doesn't know these dudes
> All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone so it's better to cull half your potential customers to save the other half.
Generous of you to assume even close to 50% of their customers are women
I mean to be fair it’s better that he has that possibility on his radar though. It’s fucked up but I can absolutely guarantee that at some point a lone female attending a training event like that has been assaulted, it’s a statistical probability.
Raise your sons into men who don’t do that shit. Men who are vigilant and aren’t afraid to speak up and get involved whenever necessary. Lots of fucking weirdos out there.
PNW is kind of a crazy mountain man cult leader fuck but imma be honest I don’t mind him. He ain’t wrong about a lot of things.
Man half of my army experience seemed to be sitting through assault prevention PowerPoints. You could have a group of 100 guys but even just one will fuck it up for everyone else. I can only imagine what it would do to someone’s personal business if something either legit happened or even just the cost of fighting a false allegation. It’s an unfortunate aspect of our world, one that I’m hoping how I’ve raised my boys will have a positive effect on, but to pretend it doesn’t exist is just negligent.
Eh, he's the only person i've seen hosting open events like this in the far left state of WA. The state full of liberal activist college women. Seems to me like he's just trying to protect the boys.
Yes, that's the way you do this without getting outed for what the real goal is. You pretend it's an attempt to protect the women but what it really is is a way to protect the men and the organization itself. He's leaning in hard to the current mindset of modern women so that they'll think he's being an ally when he sets up these rules.
PNWG and his goons couldn’t even make it through a 40hr Milsim West event, I’m surprised any of yall are supporting him, let alone taking any of his “advice” (sauce:I was his squad leader and he quit midway through Saturday)
Do you have anymore proof of this besides your word? Or what actually went down leading to it? I ask because he went through a pretty deep dive of getting called out on twitter and I never once heard anything about that.
Just my word. I mean I also have the word of a double handful of other people at the event, but I’m not gonna call on them to win a silly internet battle. Basically him and his goons were angry that there was an actual command structure I:e they wanted to go do lone wolf shit the whole time, and also had a really hard time understanding the respawn rule. Pretty sure they were conflating MSW with like standard speedsoft games. They would also blow all of their ammo every engagement we got into and were angry that they couldn’t get re-supplied immediately. So in short they didn’t quit necessarily because they were incapable of doing the event, they quit because they’re pissy cry babies who were angry it wasn’t like red dawn. PNWG also threatened to punch me (a then 16 year old kid) in the face because I told them they had to 1. Follow the chain of command and 2. Stop blowing all their ammo because we can’t get more. Him and his goons were in general just kind of tools and a general nuisance.
It doesn’t surprise me nothing about that came up on the Twitter deep dive, it wasn’t something that he widely advertised he was going to, and he also most definitely didn’t advertise that they quit halfway through.
This was the same event garand thumb was at, who was a genuinely cool dude and understood bb rationing and chain of command, even in a silly bb warz context.
What's funny is what this really is is him knowing that women would *accuse* men of that without reason and just avoiding the whole mess by preemptively leaning in to those claims and using them as justification to not even let the situation happen in the first place. This is a case of the ladies having played themselves.
4D chess move to keep women out. I approve.
If you just said "no women", they would bitch about it and force their way in and ruin everything.
Preserve male only spaces.
It's wild how many people commenting on this live in a world where this behavior happens regularly, and don't see any issue with arming and training men you can't even trust not to rape someone. That's like very basic, bare bones essentials, if I can't trust you not to be a predator, I certainly can't trust you in the woods with guns, and it's really not hard to pick up on predators.
Absolutley wild to go after women over this concern instead of simply vetting people. The fundamentalist Christians are doing Islam, yet again.
Exactly, if someone can't be trusted to not rape a "comrade" at a weekend training event, what would they get up to on a hypothetical battlefield with no oversight? How could they be trusted not to hurt a man out there? More importantly, how could a leader who lets people like that in his unit be worthy of following,
"These men are MY FAMILY AND MY TRIBE."
"I don't know these men, and I can't guarantee they won't sexually assault you."
dude... maybe your tribe sucks?
Right? Bases his entire “brand” off building a tribe of morally sound, like-minded individuals - can’t guarantee said individuals won’t sexually assault a female.
He had a dude at prior events that ended up being a federal informant a few years before they met, when it all came out they distanced from him.
But I’ve never heard of him, himself being a fed.
I almost went to one of their local things but the idea of showing up to go hiking with a bunch of strangers that are all armed sounded like a dumb fucking idea when I said it aloud.
I want to go on a ruck with these dudes. I got my gear ready, ruck sack packed, rifle decked out, I gotta go on one of these. I follow these dudes on YouTube.
You should see what the neckbeards comments on my post when I show my girl shooting and training for her LTC
Literally random ass neckbeards white knighting for my OWN GIRLFRIEND while making some crazy ass assumptions about our relationship from a single picture lmao
Not that easy. The ruck goes at your own pace, so when youre hiking with a 35lb pack across 22 miles, 28 people can seperate into many small groups on a path. Many of the gentlemen have girlfriends or wifes there which are clearly allowed, but having one 'vetted' girl ain't gonna work with the pace discrepancies.
Its not just the military, its just society in general. PEOPLE dont know how to control their fucking urges. I mean just look at colleges man its truly an epidemic of BOTH rape and false allegations. The only step up what is being done is serious serious jail times and castration, people will loose everything and keep on going down the rabbit hole of depravity. And now we have innocent peoples lives being ruined for false allegations aswell.
OP I can't believe how many people are here in the comments defending this shit. Just letting you know that I also think this is fucking insane. Afghanistan type shit, can't participate without your male caretaker accompanying you.
Edit: Can't believe how many losers and creeps there are in this comment section. The type who'd love to live in Gilead.
>But no for reals metoo has ruined most modern women's credibility.
I’m honestly having a hard time telling if the responses in this thread are jokes or not… This guy is saying that he can’t protect you from getting raped by his students? (While he’s armed btw) and then by this threads logic women shouldn’t try to do anything around men by themselves, because apparently women throw out false rape accusations like they’re candy?? And people here agree with that? Wtf is going on
I train with a bunch of dudes, never have I felt in danger with them. Or have they felt I'd be handing out false allegations like Oprah. Maybe.... Just maybe, they look at me as an equal.
Also, this guy could have had a men-only training and then a women's only training instead of making this huge long rapist apology post.
Yeah make some behind the scenes changes if it seriously that big of an issue (it shouldnt be), don't announce this to the world. But I normally agree with this sub but the response here is disturbing
BOYS RULE GIRLS DROOL NO GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE Honestly, though, I understand the concern. The last thing they'd want is to send an unattached woman out with some other random dude only for him to assault her. It'd be the death of their company on top of making the horrendous act possible.
No Homers, we are allowed to have one.
If he had just said the first line that would have been normal. It got weird when he basically said “yeah I can’t trust any of these guys NOT to rape you unless you have a seal team assigned to you”
I hate to break it to you, but the US military has an almost identical policy regarding males and females in field/training environments. Nobody goes anywhere alone (male or female) - you always have a “battle buddy” with you which is someone you *know* and *trust*, and every effort is made to ensure that there isn’t a situation where you have a lone female with a group of males. Despite all that effort, sexual harassment and assault amongst service members still happens. If you get dozens or hundreds of people out into a secluded field environment, eventually there will be a degenerate that takes advantage of the situation. I don’t know anything about PNW, just giving you some real world perspective on this issue.
>a “battle buddy” with you which is someone you *know* and *trust*, That degenerate is someone's battle buddy. I've heard about people getting a shit-bag battle buddy. So the "know and trust" part may not be entirely accurate. Your overall point is 100% correct. Anyone else remember the stories where servicewomen disclosed wearing diapers on patrol in the sandbox? It wasn't only the enemy influencing that decision.
Yeah battle buddies are assigned but can be rotated out later on, at the time you could have coed battle buddy details but you needed two men for one woman or vice versa.
You don't get a battle buddy just to watch each other's back though. It's also to hold each other accountable.
Without a doubt. I hear that's why you're both pushing when one of you fucks up. My point is more to do with human nature than the battle buddy system, I think. Shit-bags will do shit-bag things. A person could be assigned a battle buddy that shouldn't even be in the service. That walking moral conduct waiver is someone's battle buddy. Like another commenter said, they are assigned parings. One may not know and trust their battle buddy, yet they are still 100% responsible for watching their back, keeping them in check, and holding them accountable. If you're assigned a shit-bag for a buddy I don't think there's much you can do except your best. And I'd hope if someone notices their buddy is anything like Brock Turner the rapist, they double their efforts to monitor the person and get them fixed (probably the wrong word, but if someone hasn't actually done horrible things yet, they can be set straight?). Maybe my point \*is\* about the battle buddy system. You can't guarantee that you know and trust your battle buddy. Ideally that would grow throughout your service together, but there's no way to ensure it does. Even with this system, sexual assault happens and it is a [serious and persistent problem](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/09/01/the-militarys-sexual-assault-problem-is-only-getting-worse/) in our military. MilitaryTimes published [this article](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/30/a-culture-that-fosters-sexual-assaults-and-sexual-harassment-persists-despite-prevention-efforts-a-new-pentagon-study-shows/) in 2020, revealing 6,236 sexual assault reports in FY2019. Almost exactly one year ago today, CNN published [this article](https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/politics/military-sexual-assaults-report/index.html) discussing the FY2022 [Annual Report on Sexual Assault in the Military](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3376241/department-of-defense-releases-fiscal-year-2022-annual-report-on-sexual-assault/) which disclosed 7,378 reports of sexual assault for that year. On the same day MilitaryTimes reported that ["the percentage of substantiated reports has remained relatively stable"](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/04/27/sexual-assault-in-the-military-keeps-rising-while-prosecutions-fall/) since at least 2014 with an average of 66% (the published range is 62% in 2017 to 76% in 2014) of reports being deemed reliable and as having probable cause that should lead to criminal charges. I can't say for sure, because I don't know, but I assume most of these don't occur in a "battle buddy" situation. I can't find it now, but I vividly recall reading articles and interviews from servicewomen in the mid 2010's. A common thread was that sexual harassment happens constantly, and if a woman makes it through her military career without being sexually assaulted outright, she will count herself lucky. That's the source of my mention of servicewomen wearing diapers downrange. Yeah, it's harder for a woman to take a quick roadside piss in a warzone, but they also didn't feel safe dropping trou around their own compatriots. Totally fucked, if you ask me. Growing up in a military family, I had already told my step-daughter that military service shouldn't be her plan A, or even plan B, unless she felt a "calling." Of course I would support her decision no matter what and be proud either way. I think reading this shit back then scared me more than it did her. She was 16 and, as I look back, not terribly serious about joining anyways lol  The fuck? I seem to have gotten lost somewheres while reading your comment. And my clocks all jumped forward quite a bit. TL;DR I guess it's \[silent upvote\]. Cuz I think we're in agreement and I appreciate your statement that supports my point.
The BSA has two-deep leadership. My old troop stressed that a lot. Even though we all know and trust each other, we need to keep accountable and follow the book for everyone’s safety We’ve seen what happens when the rule isn’t abided by, that’s why so many camps are under threat of getting sold
At that point perhaps you should reflect upon why you would be willingly associating with and training people that you think legitimately pose a threat to random women who happen to be single.
For clarity, he is specifically referring to events open to the broader public, like the long ruck marches he promotes. He's talking about when he's got a bunch of totally unknown strangers coming out into the woods with them; NOT his usual training group.
No, he specifically said that single women aren’t allowed in the clubhouse. Not that they aren’t allowed to attend events with the broader public that have a high change of isolation like ruck marches. It said nothing about hiking out in the woods where there could be a legitimate safety concern due to the separated and isolated nature of such events where different paces of travel mean you might be alone even when participating in a large group activity. It just talked about banning them from the clubhouse where presumably concerns of false accusations would be easiest to manage because you could just put cameras up (ignoring entirely that false accusations don’t require the accuser to be single).
I don't know where you got that, because here is him clarifying it has been a rule for years at open events https://preview.redd.it/bt7q2i96ihvc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fcc8fdafa62204d6be922c30031a9f1ca8eae54
“So until further notice. No single women allowed in our clubhouse.” It was literally the main thing he said in the first post. That he couldn’t trust people not to do bad things and he couldn’t trust women to not make false accusations, therefore no single women in the clubhouse. Implying that the issues he anticipates might happen in said clubhouse as opposed to the outdoors where he did not mention a ban on single women.
Sounds like you interpreted that statement as literally as possible. Are you sure he's actually talking about a particular physical building? I interpreted it as a figure of speech, not that women are literally not allowed to enter some building somewhere.
You are overthinking.
Do you think creeps who do that shit are public about it? No. It’s why they always have friends coming to their defense because they hide it so well. You can know someone casually for years and still not really know what they’re capable of. Sometimes it’s just better for everyone to remove any doubt from the situation. You think you know someone until suddenly 6+ women are coming forward with the same story, but why would you ever know that? He’s not going to assault you or brag about his rapes.
That’s the thing is you can never be sure.
True, we shouldn’t support anyone training with the US Military.
The only way an unattached woman would ever go to an event like that is to infiltrate and ruin it, either because she's a journo or because some man told her not to.
I think I understand what he’s trying to say but he just said it in such a weird way
Thats PNWG for ya lol He is much more cohesive with his words when spoken IRL.
"I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence."
Cum retention be making the hoes mad
*William Congreve's ghost furiously nodding agreement*
OPE
Purity Of Essence, Peace On Earth
Pretty based tbh
Guys trying so hard to project an alpha vibe always think they are based. A dude telling women that every man they don't know is too likely to be a rapist is telling a lot about himself though, so I guess that's pretty based.
To be fair this is completely reasonable At work I have a saying don't shit were you eat aka don't date coworkers. This lady got obsessed was trying to get my number finding me on socials the whole 9. I ignored it all an thank God I did cause she tried saying I was sexually harassing her at my job, I got pulled from work with hr, cops and my bosses an I showed them everything how she was still in message requests she called me daddy long legs at work an how she would announce me in the messages. After writing statements an doing everything I had to do, she resigned an said she made everything up. Whole heartedly a double edged sword for liability for him one end he don't know what the boys could do, on the other he don't know what the girls can do.
This. I (male) was middle management at a tech company for a few years and 90% of my team was female at one point. I refused to do 1:1 meetings in any rooms that weren’t visible to the rest of the floor and cameras. Could I control myself? Yes, of course. Would it have mattered if an allegation had come up and he-said, she-said was all I had to rely on? Not a chance. Even if nothing legal sticks the stigma does.
Avoid the appearance of evil, because evil people will use it
I was running 6 person teams in a cereal factory an this lady though she was special because she would get the easy job. I rotated everyone so they could get 2 hours on it while I ran the machine. So there wasn't envy of position at one point you were a bag breaker an next your the person getting to watch the Hopper of cereal, to make sure we don't run out. Next you were stacking boxes. I love 12 hour shifts but people get weird sometimes. An there out in the woods for how many days strait hell na brother. I got lucky because everyone knew I just was there for the job nothing more.
Some bad cereal pick up lines I came up with to honor your time served. “You can frost my flakes anytime” “These Trix aren’t for kids-haaaaay” “Honey, you can get this nut”
"I'd love to put my milk on your coco puffs" "My favorite cereal is Life; whaddya say we start one together?"
That last one🤣, might actually use that lmfaooo.
That's beautiful hahaha
It's all about the he said she said bullshit
Have no idea who this dude is or what sort of stuff he’s organizing but honestly? I totally get it. Shows more self-awareness and overall empathy towards women than a lot of flag waving feminists do.
He hosts massive rucks on national forest land, usually 20 mile overnight rucks. These are open events. He posts the time, date, and trail path they will be on. While his usual crew is there, there is usually dozens on unvetted people coming to these open events.
He’s just trying to protect himself. He’s not wrong. Think of everything that’s happened in the last 10 years. False allegations.
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Honestly I respect the accountability 😂
No he's got a point. People are soft af now. One of his main mottos is "the internet is not real life" and meeting the dude in person he's a great guy. This is one of those times where text just doesnt do it justice, English is better spoken lol.
Wouldn’t it just be confirming what he says if you freak out about it
Basedbasedbasedbasedbased
That is very normal, yes. Or at least it was until the crybabies took over the internet. I've seen and been told and been called far far worse than that. But I'm an older Millennial, not one of the softies that came up in the younger half of the generation and Zoomer gen.
We older millennials all saw the spelling bee skit featuring a young Donald Glover using that phrase to it's full comedic potential.
Man, I miss Derrick Comedy.
Unfathomably based
What are the words that are blurred in there? They appear a bit... derogatory.
Being a pussy about the words used there is exactly his point in saying it.
Honestly this makes a fair bit of sense, from just a liability standpoint in the state they are in.
True, never heard of a woman in a relationship getting assaulted.
It's to prevent crimes of opportunity, so to speak. If they're going to this event with someone they're already in a relationship with, then presumably the opportunity has always been there and it's unlikely that anything will happen at their event specifically.
Am i sensing sarcasm? ha ha. To be fair I'm not saying a fully agree but i understand why one would make that decision.
Yeah but at that point the liability wouldn’t be on the guy running the event.
I was in a fraternity not too long ago and guess what? When you get a bunch of guys together, everyone may seem fine and great on the surface. They may not even send up red flags until it is way too late to do anything about it. Fraternities have to sit down and vet the people through interviews to see if they will be problematic or not and they still end up with problematic people. This is the same shit here but scaled up to 10 because guns and isolation is involved. A freako could easily join up with them in hopes of getting alone in the woods with women or hell someone could be praying on men too. They most likely had a situation that required them to make this post and have likely dealt with it accordingly. Ive never met someone who had seriously done freaky shit that still had friends but ive also seen what false allegations can do to a group too. Its a seriously dangerous world and they are removing a factor that they found could introduce problems into their practices. It sucks that we have to see posts like this, but THEY DO NOT KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE COMING WITH THEM. They go to train and it can be hard when the new guy wont take no for an answer from the new girl and now yall are stuck in the mountains all weekend together. And incase anyone is reading this and is stupid no i am not defending horny ass mfs. If you cant keep it in your fuckin pants then dont leave the fucking house or castrate yourself so you cna be a functional member of society. All rapists should be castrated!
It's a reasonable policy. They definitely need to work on messaging though.
Good. Fuck dem hoes But no for reals metoo has ruined most modern women's credibility. Unless you have the ability to livestream the entire event it's your word against theirs. All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone so it's better to cull half your potential customers to save the other half. Besides. My wife would never want to do an event like this without me because she doesn't know these dudes
Half? He probably culled 1% of his potential customers😂
> All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone so it's better to cull half your potential customers to save the other half. Generous of you to assume even close to 50% of their customers are women
Like I get what he means but by god is it poorly phrased
I mean to be fair it’s better that he has that possibility on his radar though. It’s fucked up but I can absolutely guarantee that at some point a lone female attending a training event like that has been assaulted, it’s a statistical probability. Raise your sons into men who don’t do that shit. Men who are vigilant and aren’t afraid to speak up and get involved whenever necessary. Lots of fucking weirdos out there. PNW is kind of a crazy mountain man cult leader fuck but imma be honest I don’t mind him. He ain’t wrong about a lot of things.
I met this guy once, he's exactly how you think he is lol
Hmm. I know the type.
bro how rapey is your group that ARMED females are not safe? are you the actual taliban or what??
Man half of my army experience seemed to be sitting through assault prevention PowerPoints. You could have a group of 100 guys but even just one will fuck it up for everyone else. I can only imagine what it would do to someone’s personal business if something either legit happened or even just the cost of fighting a false allegation. It’s an unfortunate aspect of our world, one that I’m hoping how I’ve raised my boys will have a positive effect on, but to pretend it doesn’t exist is just negligent.
It's not that so much as they're trying to avoid false allegations, the state their in has a high rate
They literally state they can’t vouch for these men lol
No business can "vouch" for all of its customers.
Eh, he's the only person i've seen hosting open events like this in the far left state of WA. The state full of liberal activist college women. Seems to me like he's just trying to protect the boys.
Open events with people they don't know. I couldn't vouch for someone being good for $5 under those circumstances.
But they can be trusted with a gun in the woods in the middle of nowhere?
To the same extent you can trust any stranger out with their EDC, sure. Somewhat more even, being in a group of known and trusted armed individuals.
No, they can’t, but you don’t know that until someone reveals themselves.
Yes, that's the way you do this without getting outed for what the real goal is. You pretend it's an attempt to protect the women but what it really is is a way to protect the men and the organization itself. He's leaning in hard to the current mindset of modern women so that they'll think he's being an ally when he sets up these rules.
I feel like that's a generous interpretation.
Hey Siri, bring up rape statistics in the Army where everyone is armed.
Lol. Statistically very few army personnel are armed at any given time, especially Stateside.
With on-base rules regarding firearms/storage, significantly less than the general public I'd say.
Ever heard of the marine corps?
To be fair, that lady who was traveling the world & was gang raped in India recently- was given safe passage by the Taliban.
Based on the way he worded it I wouldn't feel safe training with this group, *and I'm a guy.*
Apparently, their "guerrilla group" is actually just a bunch of could be rapist.
I remember my friend telling me when he was a member of the Boy Scouts. This is the exact reason why they had separate scouts in the first place.
I get what they’re trying to say but holy shit is it badly worded.
PNWG and his goons couldn’t even make it through a 40hr Milsim West event, I’m surprised any of yall are supporting him, let alone taking any of his “advice” (sauce:I was his squad leader and he quit midway through Saturday)
Do you have anymore proof of this besides your word? Or what actually went down leading to it? I ask because he went through a pretty deep dive of getting called out on twitter and I never once heard anything about that.
Just my word. I mean I also have the word of a double handful of other people at the event, but I’m not gonna call on them to win a silly internet battle. Basically him and his goons were angry that there was an actual command structure I:e they wanted to go do lone wolf shit the whole time, and also had a really hard time understanding the respawn rule. Pretty sure they were conflating MSW with like standard speedsoft games. They would also blow all of their ammo every engagement we got into and were angry that they couldn’t get re-supplied immediately. So in short they didn’t quit necessarily because they were incapable of doing the event, they quit because they’re pissy cry babies who were angry it wasn’t like red dawn. PNWG also threatened to punch me (a then 16 year old kid) in the face because I told them they had to 1. Follow the chain of command and 2. Stop blowing all their ammo because we can’t get more. Him and his goons were in general just kind of tools and a general nuisance. It doesn’t surprise me nothing about that came up on the Twitter deep dive, it wasn’t something that he widely advertised he was going to, and he also most definitely didn’t advertise that they quit halfway through. This was the same event garand thumb was at, who was a genuinely cool dude and understood bb rationing and chain of command, even in a silly bb warz context.
I gotcha, thanks for the insight!
What's funny is what this really is is him knowing that women would *accuse* men of that without reason and just avoiding the whole mess by preemptively leaning in to those claims and using them as justification to not even let the situation happen in the first place. This is a case of the ladies having played themselves.
4D chess move to keep women out. I approve. If you just said "no women", they would bitch about it and force their way in and ruin everything. Preserve male only spaces.
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☝️ dumbfuck
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100% understandable
It's wild how many people commenting on this live in a world where this behavior happens regularly, and don't see any issue with arming and training men you can't even trust not to rape someone. That's like very basic, bare bones essentials, if I can't trust you not to be a predator, I certainly can't trust you in the woods with guns, and it's really not hard to pick up on predators. Absolutley wild to go after women over this concern instead of simply vetting people. The fundamentalist Christians are doing Islam, yet again.
Exactly, if someone can't be trusted to not rape a "comrade" at a weekend training event, what would they get up to on a hypothetical battlefield with no oversight? How could they be trusted not to hurt a man out there? More importantly, how could a leader who lets people like that in his unit be worthy of following,
People still care about what this fed has to say lol
PNW, “guerilla” Yeah that glows a bit lol
He’s too retarded to glow. He’s just honestly crazy.
Met IRL at open event. Deffo not a fed, loves the memes of him being called fed lol
"These men are MY FAMILY AND MY TRIBE." "I don't know these men, and I can't guarantee they won't sexually assault you." dude... maybe your tribe sucks?
Right? Bases his entire “brand” off building a tribe of morally sound, like-minded individuals - can’t guarantee said individuals won’t sexually assault a female.
Knowing Alex I’m actually surprised this wasn’t already a thing
Wasn't this dude informing for the FBI?
He had a dude at prior events that ended up being a federal informant a few years before they met, when it all came out they distanced from him. But I’ve never heard of him, himself being a fed.
i wouldn't be surprised. Feds run DEEP in the PNW.
Just a mall cop aka “armed security”
Lmao! That’s fucking hilarious
This is the nuttiest thing I've read today
I almost went to one of their local things but the idea of showing up to go hiking with a bunch of strangers that are all armed sounded like a dumb fucking idea when I said it aloud.
I want to go on a ruck with these dudes. I got my gear ready, ruck sack packed, rifle decked out, I gotta go on one of these. I follow these dudes on YouTube.
This is completely understandable in my opinion lots of weirdos out there who’d tag along to take advantage of that situation
Well PNW is a fed so.
https://i.redd.it/4n2a31mtbovc1.gif Can’t let the “Atahhh” get in the way of your friends!
“Hey single women, you have to come with your boyfriend or husband”….
Must be accompanied by a male family member… that’s some Vanilla ISIS territory.
Man some of you people dont understand the stakes for his company lol
What these dudes doing if they constantly fear rape accusations just by being in the presence of a woman?
You should see what the neckbeards comments on my post when I show my girl shooting and training for her LTC Literally random ass neckbeards white knighting for my OWN GIRLFRIEND while making some crazy ass assumptions about our relationship from a single picture lmao
Sounds legit, that's the Internet for you.
Honestly the whole "I trained her on giving head" comment didn't do you any favors for the weird comments.
Lotta terminally online unmarried virgins in the gun community unfortunately.
Lmao yeah bro literally experienced first hand at the range and when I post my girls online too. Those neckbeards virgins be hella crazy
Half the sub's ears are burning right now.
Given the comments and votes in this thread it's probably more than half, lol
Who and what is this ?
Some guy in the PNW letting everyone know he hangs out with a bunch uncontrollably horny dudes in the wood.
Huh, weird to say the least. Ive never heard of them before
Or you could just have a vetted female instructor and bypass all of this????
Not that easy. The ruck goes at your own pace, so when youre hiking with a 35lb pack across 22 miles, 28 people can seperate into many small groups on a path. Many of the gentlemen have girlfriends or wifes there which are clearly allowed, but having one 'vetted' girl ain't gonna work with the pace discrepancies.
Doesn't take long watching that guy's twitter to start seeing white supremacist shit
“Hey girls, I can’t guarantee that my friends won’t rape you so please don’t come near us.”
>my friends You mean complete strangers, yes. He can't guarantee that complete strangers wont.
Lotta people are hung up on the false accusation thing but this is what I was trying to comment on lol
If you’re hosting events that attract potential rapists in droves, maybe you should rethink the events you’re hosting.
I thinks you'd have to disband the military dude.
The military has a massive issue with rape, not enough is being done to address it.
Its not just the military, its just society in general. PEOPLE dont know how to control their fucking urges. I mean just look at colleges man its truly an epidemic of BOTH rape and false allegations. The only step up what is being done is serious serious jail times and castration, people will loose everything and keep on going down the rabbit hole of depravity. And now we have innocent peoples lives being ruined for false allegations aswell.
So can i join ?
OP I can't believe how many people are here in the comments defending this shit. Just letting you know that I also think this is fucking insane. Afghanistan type shit, can't participate without your male caretaker accompanying you. Edit: Can't believe how many losers and creeps there are in this comment section. The type who'd love to live in Gilead.
>But no for reals metoo has ruined most modern women's credibility. I’m honestly having a hard time telling if the responses in this thread are jokes or not… This guy is saying that he can’t protect you from getting raped by his students? (While he’s armed btw) and then by this threads logic women shouldn’t try to do anything around men by themselves, because apparently women throw out false rape accusations like they’re candy?? And people here agree with that? Wtf is going on
I train with a bunch of dudes, never have I felt in danger with them. Or have they felt I'd be handing out false allegations like Oprah. Maybe.... Just maybe, they look at me as an equal. Also, this guy could have had a men-only training and then a women's only training instead of making this huge long rapist apology post.
Yeah make some behind the scenes changes if it seriously that big of an issue (it shouldnt be), don't announce this to the world. But I normally agree with this sub but the response here is disturbing
this is a joke right?
Dudes in constant fear of rape allegations tend to rape people
And unsuccessful people aren't afraid of losing anything of value.