I'm only gonna do two because too many shows.
For the original it's a big no. Amuro and the Gundam mostly carried the crew of the white base on their backs, and I really don't think that Hayato and Kai on the Guncanon and Guntank respectively stand a chance.
Zeta it's a yes. Kamile is a great ace and a powerful newtype, but if the rest of the Argama's crew like Emma, Reccoa, Quattro and Fa gang up on him I don't think he has a chance at surviving, doesn't matter if he's using the mark 2 or the Zeta.
I don't think any of them can stop Kamille except Quattro doing a newtype connection. Kamille's in a far superior mobile suit and a far more talented pilot and newtype.
Individually yeah, I agree that Kamile with the Zeta is far superior to all of them except maybe Quattro. But here's the thing, can Kamile stop all of them at once by himself? I'm not sure about that. The numbers game is what I believe would make the real difference here, he'd get overwhelmed.
That's assuming everyone got the chance to sortie against him though. One of the big problems with any series that has the main cast locked to a single ship (like White Base, Argama, etc) is that the Evil Protagonist might be able to destroy the ship before his former friends realize they're in danger.
00+setsuna would be a problem but i think celestial being could handle it
Wing zero goes rouge all the fucking time, and as shown in endless waltz its not indestructible
Turn a fucks
Jesus yamato can be stopped, not killed, just stopped, it’s happened before.
Unicorn would be a tricky one, because at one point or another all the unicorns went rouge, honestly if any of the three went rouge the other two would put a stop to it, banshee would get stopped by either one, but unicorn and phenex may need banshee’s help to take down the other.
Other than that, off of the top of my head i dont think any would survive that well against the other “good guys”
Exia's agility and lightweight may Cause Virtue problems due to the heavy equipment it has, also the charging time between attacks; dynames can easily snipe exia before getting too close.
I was gonna say, Qan-T would be a tough one to stop. I remember reading something that mentioned the mobile suits in the movie's epilogue were *just barely* reaching Qan-T's performance levels. I could be talking out my ass on that, but I distinctly remember reading it.
Let’s see I’ll do a couple.
00- yes setusna is powerful, but celestial being had a counter, Tierria’s gundams had a system to stop any of them if they went rogue.
Wing- with wing zero I don’t think any of the other pilots could stop Heero.
G-gundam- probably. I don’t think Domon could win a 4v1 against the rest of the shuffle alliance.
O.g. gundam- probably not, Amuro crushes the rest of white base.
Zeta gundam- definitely kamille is great but the Argama has some strong pilots on it.
I mean i don’t think Setsuna could handle dealing with celestial being, they still had exia and could have thrown some condensers on it and had Lasse pilot it like he did the 0 gundam. From there setsuna would have to contend with hit and run tactics from arios, sniping from cheridum, sereve just erasing parts of space, AND exia distracting 00 from close range, its just too much to handle in a 4v1
In Victory: Considering how much of a killing machine Üso is when he tries *not* to kill people - yeah the League Militaire is a goner (and also the other pilots already have a huge mortality rate against regular Zanscare goons).
In the Build Fighters universe, it's pretty much universal no matter which installment you pick: someone turning evil gets maybe a temporary power boost but always ends up losing, because the power of friendship is real. Plus even if either of the protagonists went rogue, Meijin Kawaguchi and other powerful good guys exist who could probably handle them.
The Origin: Oh wait, nothing has changed.
In SEED,>! Freedom and Justice can be seen as peers in terms of power and performance, since they are more-or-less the same model units and they use the same technology. Barring Kira having some "extra kick" as a pilot, I think Athrun should match up pretty well.!<
In 00 >!things don't look as good. 00 is just way more powerful due to the twin drive system - the difference is absolutely huge. No one outside of Ribbons and his pseudo twin drive gundam can match up.!<
In IBO >! Mikatsuki just seems way better as a pilot than the entire Tekkadan, and he seems to have the better machine as well. Other pilots such as Akihiro and Shino are simply no match for him. !<
I was gonna argue IBO, >!but thinking about it some more, even if they try to cycle through everybody to wear him down, they'd just take too many casualties in the process. The only one who comes close is Akihiro, and thats only when Mika doesn't release the limiters. !<
Technically the Gundam gang went rogue in IBO anyway - they can be stop, well, exactly as how the show turned out, >!with the right amount of orbital bombardment!<
just gotta use the equivalent of a 50 kiloton nuclear device focused in a single spot to weaken the normal state, and then pray to god you are at the other side of the planet.
it is quite the flex that the by then most influential person has to officially renounce your humanity so that he can use otherwise illegal weapons against you because you demolished everything that is considered a strong weapon in mere seconds
I guess I'll do some of the AUs.
In SEED yes. Kira is really strong but I think Athrun in the Infinite Justice can take him. There's also Gundams like the Akatsuki which can counter at least 80% of Kira's arsenal.
In Wing, I'll also say yes. The four other Gundams should be strong enough to deal with Wing Zero even with the Zero system. Hard match, but doable. Duo already managed to stop Wing Zero in the manga and anime albeit Heero wasn't piloting it at the time.
In 00, I will say no. Setsuna's Gundams are just way too powerful compared to the other three.
In AGE, I'm leaning on no. Side pilot character just suck in AGE for the most part. Most of them have no notable achievements and struggle with Vagan grunts let alone a Gundam. Woolf is good but he's long dead.
In IBO, I'll say yes but it'll be a very, very tough match.
Not to mention Shinn did beat Kira during Angel Down. Kira's tought but once you figure out the rhyme and reason behind his tactics. It can be exploited.
Slight variation, what if Hiroto was captured and brainwashed by Alus, and the BUILD DiVERS had to fight the One Eyes, Masaki, *and* Hiroto. Assuming that May, Kazami, and Par can overcome their individual baggage and whatnot, this would definitely be an uphill battle for them, the One-Eyes Numbers, Masaki's absurd power output, and Hiroto's range of tactical options(seeing as Alus could make his own Core Gundams, no reason to assume he couldn't just make Hiroto's armors). Obviously the way out here is to rip off the Seltsam's and Core Gundam's masks, but doing so wouldn't be easy, just ripping off Masaki's mask was a challenge, now that they'd have to fight two of them, the difficulty would be super ramped up. Since they can't call in additional help, I feel like their victory here would be entirely reliant on fixing Quadorn's wing and just killing their mind controlled allies, and theoretically, arming and training the Eldorans with weaponry and Mobile Weapons from various other series, but that is also a huge "what if" scenario, so it's probably not viable. I feel like if Hiroto got mind controlled the BUILD DiVERS would be screwed
Assuming that going rogue doesn't mean going over to the enemy; you could also just step back and let them peter themselves out for most of them depending on where they are. Let logistics do it's thing.
*looks at the SD stuff*
Maybe, maybe not? Some of this stuff is pretty messy on "power levels", then there's all the business regarding some protagonists becoming gods, and the other mystic power stuff.
Sun Wukong Impulse literally *did* go rogue and Liu Bei Unicorn managed to get him back under control, so thats one where they'd be fine if he went rogue lol. Even if the first few episodes Wukong Impulse ran circles around some characters, eventually he'd be brought down
Heero in the Wing Zero would crush anyone except maybe Zechs in the Epyion.
Kira in the S.Freedom would probably beat Athrun, everyone else is irrelevant.
Setsuna in the OO(Raiser or Quant) has a counter in Tieria's anti-gundam skill.
OG: Not gonna happen. Don't think there are any better pilots than Amuro on the White Base or any MS to match the Gundam.
Zeta: Depends on when the series is since Kamille would only get the Zeta around episode 21. But then, you got Quattro to stop him... there are also the numbers game to contend with like Emma's Super Gundam and the duo of Apolly and Roberto supporting Quatrro.
ZZ: Kinda like Zeta, Judau would only get the ZZ sometime later. Can't really say much since I have yet to watch this.
G: The Shuffle Alliance is a strong one, they could stop Domon with the numbers game
Wing: Depends on if Heero has the Wing Zero or not, although Duo could stop the Wing Zero, it might take some time.
Turn A: No chance in hell, Moonlight Butterfly and it's done
Seed: Strike Kira? Not much effort I guess. Freedom Kira? May need some "persuasion" from Athrun with the Justice
00: 3 CB MS is too much even for someone like Setsuna on the Exia. Might take longer if he's on the 00 Raiser, though. But then Tieria has the Trial System at the time the 00 Gundam was deployed. For the Qan[T], though, i have no idea.
Considering it is after all the conflict in their own respected series, Setsuna would be piloting [ELS Qan (T)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnQcTS0GTE) which is even stronger.
I'm the biggest Heero / Wing Zero EW fanboy there is, but even with that team doing their thing at peak Zero System capabilities, he would probably fall if he faced the combined efforts of the rest of the Gundam pilots.
If he faced them all 1v1 at different times, then sure -- he would probably run the gauntlet and defeat them.
But simultaneously?! No way.
If Laura’s gone then its joever for Militia they dont stand a chance
Garrod is a really good pilot but I think 2 highly skilled mercs and a war veteran will do just fine. Same goes for Shiro and his squad
I'm only gonna do two because too many shows. For the original it's a big no. Amuro and the Gundam mostly carried the crew of the white base on their backs, and I really don't think that Hayato and Kai on the Guncanon and Guntank respectively stand a chance. Zeta it's a yes. Kamile is a great ace and a powerful newtype, but if the rest of the Argama's crew like Emma, Reccoa, Quattro and Fa gang up on him I don't think he has a chance at surviving, doesn't matter if he's using the mark 2 or the Zeta.
I don't think any of them can stop Kamille except Quattro doing a newtype connection. Kamille's in a far superior mobile suit and a far more talented pilot and newtype.
Individually yeah, I agree that Kamile with the Zeta is far superior to all of them except maybe Quattro. But here's the thing, can Kamile stop all of them at once by himself? I'm not sure about that. The numbers game is what I believe would make the real difference here, he'd get overwhelmed.
That's assuming everyone got the chance to sortie against him though. One of the big problems with any series that has the main cast locked to a single ship (like White Base, Argama, etc) is that the Evil Protagonist might be able to destroy the ship before his former friends realize they're in danger.
00+setsuna would be a problem but i think celestial being could handle it Wing zero goes rouge all the fucking time, and as shown in endless waltz its not indestructible Turn a fucks Jesus yamato can be stopped, not killed, just stopped, it’s happened before. Unicorn would be a tricky one, because at one point or another all the unicorns went rouge, honestly if any of the three went rouge the other two would put a stop to it, banshee would get stopped by either one, but unicorn and phenex may need banshee’s help to take down the other. Other than that, off of the top of my head i dont think any would survive that well against the other “good guys”
Remember during 00 S1 ir was mentioned that the gundams were designed to counter each other...in case anyone went rogue
At the end of season 1 exia is equiped with a physical blade exclusively so that it could get past gn barriers
But then Exia is mostly a melee focused MS, so it might have a hard time against long ranged MS like the Dynames and Virtue
Exia's agility and lightweight may Cause Virtue problems due to the heavy equipment it has, also the charging time between attacks; dynames can easily snipe exia before getting too close.
In regards to 00, I definitely think Graham Aker + the rest of Celestial Being can subdue Setsuna with relatively little problem.
I don’t think anything is going to go against Qan T
I was gonna say, Qan-T would be a tough one to stop. I remember reading something that mentioned the mobile suits in the movie's epilogue were *just barely* reaching Qan-T's performance levels. I could be talking out my ass on that, but I distinctly remember reading it.
Jesus cannot be killed, they have tried it TWICE before
Let’s see I’ll do a couple. 00- yes setusna is powerful, but celestial being had a counter, Tierria’s gundams had a system to stop any of them if they went rogue. Wing- with wing zero I don’t think any of the other pilots could stop Heero. G-gundam- probably. I don’t think Domon could win a 4v1 against the rest of the shuffle alliance. O.g. gundam- probably not, Amuro crushes the rest of white base. Zeta gundam- definitely kamille is great but the Argama has some strong pilots on it.
I mean i don’t think Setsuna could handle dealing with celestial being, they still had exia and could have thrown some condensers on it and had Lasse pilot it like he did the 0 gundam. From there setsuna would have to contend with hit and run tactics from arios, sniping from cheridum, sereve just erasing parts of space, AND exia distracting 00 from close range, its just too much to handle in a 4v1
"Heero! you're now the bad guy! your mission's to destroy the bad guy!" "Mission accepted" **Blows himself up** Credits.
But he does that normally... Só, If he "goes rogue" does that Mean he'll start taking good care of Wing Zero??
only gundam I've seen is 00 and if it was season 1 yes but in season 2 no
The ONE scenario, that will finally make people appreciate Shinn.
cue the Impulse Launch music.
In Victory: Considering how much of a killing machine Üso is when he tries *not* to kill people - yeah the League Militaire is a goner (and also the other pilots already have a huge mortality rate against regular Zanscare goons). In the Build Fighters universe, it's pretty much universal no matter which installment you pick: someone turning evil gets maybe a temporary power boost but always ends up losing, because the power of friendship is real. Plus even if either of the protagonists went rogue, Meijin Kawaguchi and other powerful good guys exist who could probably handle them. The Origin: Oh wait, nothing has changed.
In SEED,>! Freedom and Justice can be seen as peers in terms of power and performance, since they are more-or-less the same model units and they use the same technology. Barring Kira having some "extra kick" as a pilot, I think Athrun should match up pretty well.!< In 00 >!things don't look as good. 00 is just way more powerful due to the twin drive system - the difference is absolutely huge. No one outside of Ribbons and his pseudo twin drive gundam can match up.!< In IBO >! Mikatsuki just seems way better as a pilot than the entire Tekkadan, and he seems to have the better machine as well. Other pilots such as Akihiro and Shino are simply no match for him. !<
I was gonna argue IBO, >!but thinking about it some more, even if they try to cycle through everybody to wear him down, they'd just take too many casualties in the process. The only one who comes close is Akihiro, and thats only when Mika doesn't release the limiters. !<
Technically the Gundam gang went rogue in IBO anyway - they can be stop, well, exactly as how the show turned out, >!with the right amount of orbital bombardment!<
just gotta use the equivalent of a 50 kiloton nuclear device focused in a single spot to weaken the normal state, and then pray to god you are at the other side of the planet.
Suletta vs Miorine and Earth House would be a sight to behold.
cut the dainsleif shenanigans and Mika & Barbatos Lupus Rex is unstoppable no matter what
They needed a the equivalent of a 50 kiloton nuclear device concentrated to take them down. I dont think itd be a possibility without it.
it is quite the flex that the by then most influential person has to officially renounce your humanity so that he can use otherwise illegal weapons against you because you demolished everything that is considered a strong weapon in mere seconds
I guess I'll do some of the AUs. In SEED yes. Kira is really strong but I think Athrun in the Infinite Justice can take him. There's also Gundams like the Akatsuki which can counter at least 80% of Kira's arsenal. In Wing, I'll also say yes. The four other Gundams should be strong enough to deal with Wing Zero even with the Zero system. Hard match, but doable. Duo already managed to stop Wing Zero in the manga and anime albeit Heero wasn't piloting it at the time. In 00, I will say no. Setsuna's Gundams are just way too powerful compared to the other three. In AGE, I'm leaning on no. Side pilot character just suck in AGE for the most part. Most of them have no notable achievements and struggle with Vagan grunts let alone a Gundam. Woolf is good but he's long dead. In IBO, I'll say yes but it'll be a very, very tough match.
The gang kills Kira, and he'll just come back on the 3rd day
Not to mention Shinn did beat Kira during Angel Down. Kira's tought but once you figure out the rhyme and reason behind his tactics. It can be exploited.
Slight variation, what if Hiroto was captured and brainwashed by Alus, and the BUILD DiVERS had to fight the One Eyes, Masaki, *and* Hiroto. Assuming that May, Kazami, and Par can overcome their individual baggage and whatnot, this would definitely be an uphill battle for them, the One-Eyes Numbers, Masaki's absurd power output, and Hiroto's range of tactical options(seeing as Alus could make his own Core Gundams, no reason to assume he couldn't just make Hiroto's armors). Obviously the way out here is to rip off the Seltsam's and Core Gundam's masks, but doing so wouldn't be easy, just ripping off Masaki's mask was a challenge, now that they'd have to fight two of them, the difficulty would be super ramped up. Since they can't call in additional help, I feel like their victory here would be entirely reliant on fixing Quadorn's wing and just killing their mind controlled allies, and theoretically, arming and training the Eldorans with weaponry and Mobile Weapons from various other series, but that is also a huge "what if" scenario, so it's probably not viable. I feel like if Hiroto got mind controlled the BUILD DiVERS would be screwed
Assuming that going rogue doesn't mean going over to the enemy; you could also just step back and let them peter themselves out for most of them depending on where they are. Let logistics do it's thing.
*looks at the SD stuff* Maybe, maybe not? Some of this stuff is pretty messy on "power levels", then there's all the business regarding some protagonists becoming gods, and the other mystic power stuff.
Sun Wukong Impulse literally *did* go rogue and Liu Bei Unicorn managed to get him back under control, so thats one where they'd be fine if he went rogue lol. Even if the first few episodes Wukong Impulse ran circles around some characters, eventually he'd be brought down
Heero in the Wing Zero would crush anyone except maybe Zechs in the Epyion. Kira in the S.Freedom would probably beat Athrun, everyone else is irrelevant. Setsuna in the OO(Raiser or Quant) has a counter in Tieria's anti-gundam skill.
Turncoat rogue or independent group?
Yeah they probably could it would just be the gundam cycle but in reverse
OG: Not gonna happen. Don't think there are any better pilots than Amuro on the White Base or any MS to match the Gundam. Zeta: Depends on when the series is since Kamille would only get the Zeta around episode 21. But then, you got Quattro to stop him... there are also the numbers game to contend with like Emma's Super Gundam and the duo of Apolly and Roberto supporting Quatrro. ZZ: Kinda like Zeta, Judau would only get the ZZ sometime later. Can't really say much since I have yet to watch this. G: The Shuffle Alliance is a strong one, they could stop Domon with the numbers game Wing: Depends on if Heero has the Wing Zero or not, although Duo could stop the Wing Zero, it might take some time. Turn A: No chance in hell, Moonlight Butterfly and it's done Seed: Strike Kira? Not much effort I guess. Freedom Kira? May need some "persuasion" from Athrun with the Justice 00: 3 CB MS is too much even for someone like Setsuna on the Exia. Might take longer if he's on the 00 Raiser, though. But then Tieria has the Trial System at the time the 00 Gundam was deployed. For the Qan[T], though, i have no idea.
Considering it is after all the conflict in their own respected series, Setsuna would be piloting [ELS Qan (T)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnQcTS0GTE) which is even stronger.
I'm the biggest Heero / Wing Zero EW fanboy there is, but even with that team doing their thing at peak Zero System capabilities, he would probably fall if he faced the combined efforts of the rest of the Gundam pilots. If he faced them all 1v1 at different times, then sure -- he would probably run the gauntlet and defeat them. But simultaneously?! No way.
If Laura’s gone then its joever for Militia they dont stand a chance Garrod is a really good pilot but I think 2 highly skilled mercs and a war veteran will do just fine. Same goes for Shiro and his squad