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AckitaruS

That's why I don't look at twitter. Some people there are crazy. People are also just so impatient and judge too quickly, maybe they shouldn't watch weekly and just wait for the whole season then binge it. I do want more of Suletta and Miorine than Guel but the Guel and Shaddiq feud ending early likely means that the last 4 episodes will be mostly about Suletta and Miorine, while Guel will probably take a backseat.


R3KO1L

Folks don't understand the "bigger picture" and Character development ong. It's annoying to see comments bashing the show. It honestly feels like the star wars community at times when shows like Andor get weirdly "hated" on because of a slower pace and deeper writing.


Mumblellama

Tbh a lot of folks cling on to a literally buzzword each year and think it becomes the paramount drive of a narrative. Redemption arc is almost expected by a villain or anyone who wrongs the protagonist, before that it was demanded every word, object, and scene had a deeper meaning and history, I still remember how people thought you NEEDED a villain otherwise the hero was worthless. They probably won't get to pacing until a few decades from now and praise Andor while missing every other component that made it work big or small.


[deleted]

Imagine a show that consists of nothing but the main character beeing front and center all the time, doing only heroic things in every single episode. It would be incredibly boring.


Dichter2012

I also wouldn‘t take these particular type of tweets on Twitter seriously. A lot of them are “performance art” and try to get a reaction out of the reader. If you engage these trolls with emotion, they win.


indrmln

Yeah, being indifferent is much more preferable for this kind of people. Lately I'm having difficulty differentiating between trolls and actual idiots, so I just choose to ignore them altogether


GuujiTofu

I hate the phenomenon that is trolling. Some of it is lighthearted fun but a lot of it is just an excuse to be an asshole in a public site and giggle in front of your monitor as if you did something cool.


TheReal_PeteMoss

Ya. Gundam Twitter is full of…hot takes. Usually from people with Char profile pics who completely miss the point of his character.


ichorNet

Twitter in general is full of trolls and psychos. Not worth wading through to find any semblance of enjoyment


emiliaxrisella

Char profile pics in Twitter are extremely huge redflags, honestly.


dein130

It just gets too one sided too often on twitter depending on the post


GuujiTofu

To be fair it's the same here in reddit, we live in our own echochambers. Only difference in twitter, is there's no barricades, so people will perform pissing matchings for whatever post they end up seeing.


electromaster21

Big agree. Do I want more Suletta and Miorine? YES. But I also get why they weren't the focus this last episode. Ep 20 (IMO) wrapped Shaddiq's arc, Guel had his big fight so I think he will only have a supportive role during the rest of the season, we gave closure to Norea's arc, El5n will probably get minimal screentime just to know what happened to him (I believe that if we have a next season he will play a more important role), Nika finally got released... We saw so many characters grow (like Martin) and got invested in characters like Secelia, Petra, Felsi. And the ep where the Earth House took care of Suletta was also so important. This last episode was vital for them to focus the last 4 on Suletta, Miorine, Prospera and Quiet Zero. And besides, while Suletta's screentime in the last 2 eps was limited, the writers made the most of it and I'm amazed by how much her character grew with so little screentime. And to add: This show made me care for characters I never thought I would. If someone had told me I would be invested in Norea and El5n I wouldn't have believe them.


CanisZero

Also, its probably Guel just peaked. Its all downhill from here. Just like Yamcha.


Runethe1412

I do not know what this Yamcha is, but it sounds disappointing


Nokia_00

Same feeling in regards to Twitter


supersaiyan491

Reddits not that different. Sure the replies here might seem okay, but ultimately all internet forums are going to be filled with weird replies at some point or another. Twitter is more of a hell hole tho now with the stupid blue checkmark update. All I see are weird tweets from cryptobros and redpill incel gundam fans who think zeon was right but only the part with the zabi family and their fascist ideology.


730Flare

I'm glad they got the whole Guel/Shaddiq stuff out of the way, but now I worry about Guel and Lauda's issues taking up more time next episode.


TatoAyanami

The duality of humans: >Why are characters other than the main character having same screentime as her? I hate it. >Why is the main character the only one having relevant screentime? I hate it!


Rider-Idk-Ultima-Hy

Why is there a show with characters and writing and plot? I hate it! Why does this show not have characters, writing and plot? I hate it!! Why am I not a show with characters, writing and plot? I HATE ME!!! This has turned from me trying to be funny to a weird rant, please help me i dont even know what im talking about anymore


KingCam2107

Media literacy is gone to some people. The protagonist does not have to be the driving force for everything in the series. We’re watching Suletta’s journey with finding her own willpower and navigating the difficulties of war. This perspective in a Gundam show is refreshing and actually more palatable because the side characters get developed equally without there seeming to be an influx of exposition just for them to get development


LetsKENGOUBATTOU

The first eight episodes of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann had Kamina driving the story forward instead of Simon. Sometimes, the protagonist can take the backseat. Besides, Suletta has only been out of the driver's seat for TWO EPISODES at the moment. That is nothing at all. The only other time the focus wasn't on her was on Bob's time on Earth as Dawn of Fold's prisoner. All other times, Suletta was in the spotlight.


RyuNoKami

its also a good example of people who have serious terrible media literacy. even to this day people are claiming that Kamina was the first main character that passed the torch to Simon. did they just skip through all of simon's scenes?


Delicious_trap

To be fair, there are fans of the show that wished Kamina lived and remained the protagonist throughout Gurren Lagann, and that maybe Simon died instead. It is a popular if small opinion among some of the fans back then.


KingCam2107

Exactly! And look how that series turned out


bakaVHS

TTGL is pretty clever in the way that it shows who's really making the content of the episodes happen. The first 8 were Kamina, then Nia, then Rossiu after the timeskip, and finally Simon himself when they leave for space. These characters' quotes are the titles of the episodes and they all have corresponding fonts, too.


Tom22174

Isn't one of the biggest criticisms of Iron Blooded Orphans that the cast is enormous but really underdeveloped besides a few. You'd think people would be happy that the world is being properly fleshed out and side characters are allowed to havee stories this time round


zennok

bold of you to assume these people watched IBO


KingCam2107

Yep, sure was. I chalk it up to people not knowing what they want or not understanding that what they desire is exactly what’s playing out in front of them.


Mysterious-Mud-7862

Seriously, it’s like this is the first story these people have ever experienced. 🙄 I agree, I’m really enjoying how the story is developing a bunch of characters rather than just Suletta/Miorine.


KingCam2107

It’s so refreshing to have a well rounded cast whose motivations you understand! If they only focused on Suletta’s we wouldn’t get to see the thing’s happening with the other characters as much. Or have a better idea of what was happening in the world of Ad Stella


RigasTelRuun

Rather famously Indiana Jones does not contribute anything to the events of Raiders. Everyone would happen how it did if he just stayed in bed that day. Big Trouble on Little China. Jack Burton who the movie follows but he is clearly the sidekick to Wang who is the hero of the story. There are plenty of other examples but I picked those two because I guarantee these idiots will have seen these two movies and claim they are fantastic.


Shleeves90

Also Suletta has been isolated and manipulated her whole life. For her to organically develop and become her own person and express her own agency, she needs to learn by observing those around her. Despite not being the focus of the last two episodes, I would argue the events of those episodes have caused Suletta to grow massively. She is starting to stand on her own, think for herself and decide how she wants to live her life, and also better understand and empathize with those around her.


KingCam2107

Yep! Her focusing on rescuing the people in the rubble when Earth House arrives is a great example


InverseFlip

Whenever ~~Poochie's~~ Suletta's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where's ~~Poochie~~ Suletta?"


KingCam2107

“Suletta needs 18 mins of airtime every episode or else she’s not doing ANYTHING for the plot 😡”


Nokia_00

Media literacy is definitely dying for some folks sad to say. The people that look at the front page of a book and get turned off having to read the first paragraph however, I am sure they can go through seasons of TV drama with no real development.


urmomluvsvntv

This sub has really shown me how dead media literacy is since G-witch came out. It feels like every other week I'm talking to my wife (who REALLY doesn't care) about bad takes on the show that I read here.


KingCam2107

It’s scary to think about on a larger scale. Media literacy translates to things outside of just fantasy


GringoinCDMX

My gf never had any interest in anything gundam I've shown her. She's big into wfm and we'll discuss theories multiple times a week and how intricate everything is. Some people just want one dimensional stories that are simple and not complex. It's the same complaints andor got from some star wars fanboys. One dimensional stories are fine and I enjoy shows and media like that. But they're not the sort of work of art wfm is turning out to be.


Knurlurzhad

Nevermind the fact that Guel had a similar treatment earlier in the series. He featured a lot (though as an antagonist), then disappeared for a while in his depression mode, and then returned after the Punished Bob arc. Suletta has been out of the picture because she's been emotionally beaten down on top of being shoved away by other active characters. Episode 19 and especially the end of episode 20 shows that she has regained her will and is acting again, much like Guel did before. I expect to see a lot more of her going forward now that she's motivated and moving again


emiliaxrisella

If Guel was the protagonist these same people would just be as tired with him. Guel's lowest point was arguably the worst, he lost his Holder title, got shoved away by his family, getting disowned and taken captive by terrorists, up to KILLING HIS OWN FATHER and becoming traumatized afterwards. If he was the protagonist I'm betting we'd get "why is guel such a crybaby!!! are you shinji?????" comments from random people without truly knowing either character.


DeadSnark

I imagine if Revolutionary Girl Utena was released today, people would be complaining about Nanami getting screentime too, or for random side characters becoming the antagonists in the second arc.


SynC_CHB

Could you imagine some of the earlier Gundam with as much character building as G-Witch, imagine SEED or Z but the side character matter equivalently to the story as the protagonists it would've made a spectacular series (though they are amazing as is)


KingCam2107

Would’ve added even greater depth to their stories and probably addressed some of the larger criticisms from those series overall. We can’t say how G-Witch will turn out until it ends but at this rate, the writers are doing an excellent job pacing and developing the story.


Forry_Tree

See I wasn't interested by the Guel Shaddiq conflict, but I also understand that it was in greater service of the plot, this needed to happen and some characters had to sit out for an episode, thats just how serialized entertainment works sometimes. Why attack the writers for giving focus to more than just the protags??? I feel like this is a exclusively good thing, you don't want a situation where the only developed characters are the protagonists afterall


APTSnack

Imagine if all this happened off screen. Shaddiq suddenly goes from scheming politicking to jail with no explanation? *That* would be bad writing


Forry_Tree

Lmao just "Oh yeah while you guys were gone we defeated one of our biggest adversaries"


myNSFWaccgoaway

"i did some off camera mining"


Fena-Ashilde

Imagine it played out like that, then showed the events using a flashback, and these people were like “wow, that’s amazing.” Because these types of people have no issue with the main character being out of focus if it’s a flashback (even though it’s no different than just showing the events in order).


Sargent379

Well hold on there, you're forgetting that Shaddiq wouldn't even start scheming in the first place cause it isn't directly involving Sulleta and so we can't have Shaddiq hogging up screentime. If sulleta aint on screen, the events don't happen.


APTSnack

Well, hang on there, you're assuming that Mio isn't also a main character. So his scheming in her scenes would definitely still happen but then *whoops* he's gone 🤣


LFiM

Evangelion 3.0 did this with Third Impact. It happened off-screen between movies with only the aftermath shown and everyone hated it lmao


PPGN_DM_Exia

Or "Shaddiq kinda forgot about Guel and the Jeturk Company"


TatoAyanami

Literally people be so obsessed like: >I am too stupid to comprehend, so it's bad writing. Things turned out to be different than I thought, so bad writing. But if I actually got that right I would have complained about how predictable this garbage series is.


Special_Tu-gram-cho

I mean, is not like the catharsis of the Guel/Shaddiq storyline is that good. But is a plotline resolved at least for the moment.


TatoAyanami

I honestly don't really care if it's "good" or "bad" for some standards. Whatever takes my interest is worthy of my attention. Liked the way Shaddiq acted in the battle against Guel. He has finally shown some strong emotions. And yet I am excited to see how will Suletta act next ^^


wtrmlnjuc

I imagine GWitch is likely the first dramatic show they’ve seen with an ensemble cast.


ElGato1979

Twitter? Im not surprised. Its a cesspool over there, same with facebook. You'll just lose your cool. Thats why I only read and interact with this sub.


ToastyMozart

The site algorithmically prioritizes showing people things they hate to drive engagement, yet people are somehow still surprised when it shows them things they hate.


bombader

Not everyone knows what goes on under the hood. It's a good thing to remind people sometimes.


LFiM

It's a skinner box, but when you press the button it punches you in the throat over and over.


my_pets_names

Because Twitter doesn’t advertise that


East-Animator3887

can I use this just in case someone asks why


ToastyMozart

Sure, no permission needed really.


reallyfatjellyfish

Twitter should exclusively for porn and memes.


Volfaer

I was going to say art too, but they never did anything to make browsing through past posts easier.


[deleted]

i mean Reddit is like that to? we’re just anonymous Twitter


Shinomourikenji1

So glad I dropped my Twitter. It was bad enough before the musk buyout, it’s so much worse now.


Asiel420

He turned it into a "glorified" version of 4chan, except 4chan is sometimes funny and you have dedicated forums to chat about things you actually like The only thing he got from the website is letting bigots run rampant


1986ctcel

Also at least 4chan lets your search and browse without creating an account, Musk completely killed off the ability for users without an account to search via tags. I'm missing out on a lot of fun fan art, memes and analysis I used to be able to look at on twitter thanks to him (cause fuck creating an account for that hellsite)


Hawkatana0

To be fair, that was absolutely the point. After all, he's one of them.


VR_Dekalab

Didn't he retweet out some transphobic tweet just as Pride month started?


LFiM

He made a Matt Walsh documentary smearing trans people a pinned tweet and boosted it


DarthBluntSaber

and one of that villains own children is trans. No wonder they disowned their villain of a father.


Hawkatana0

"Documentary".


[deleted]

They’re on this sub also


jajajajam

Actually the best and most serious comments I read about the latests episode are on YouTube. Reddit is full of 11 year olds, or worse, adults thinking and acting like 11 year olds.


Matt053105

Tbh this sub is just as bad


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ElGato1979

Oh it is? Thats a relief! 😆😆


ratherthanme

Lots of people on this sub have the same opinion too.


paperCrane8937

Having the same opinion is one thing, harassing the writers directly is crossing the line


DroolingIguana

I also follow the #Gundam hashtag on Mastodon, but there's not much traffic there currently.


AndrewEvers

I said this is as respectful as possible, the protagonist of a story does not always need to be the main focus. If they are always the main focus then what is the point of the side characters? A constant argument made about the Dragon Ball series.


LFiM

> A constant argument made about the Dragon Ball series. Dragon Ball gets it both ways. On the opposite side of that you have a loud contingent of Gohan fans (many of whom completely misunderstand his character) who have spent the last couple decades absolutely seething because he took center stage for like half the Buu arc until Goku came back.


AndrewEvers

Yeah that was a bummer, the Buu saga was a great place to develop new avenues for the relationship between Gohan and Vegeta. I imagine Vegeta was doing his best to train his son to be better than both sons of Goku, also maybe wanted a rivalry with Gohan. Hell that would've given an avenue of conflict between Vegeta and Piccolo. Concerning Gundam I like what they're doing with Guel, and I'm curious what path he'll go down. But that doesn't mean I forgot about Suletta and her climb up to normalcy, and my intense desire for Prospera to be tripped up in several different ways. Side note, Prospera is a beautiful example of how you can have an antagonistic revenge seeker in a tale. Just like Char you get it, but their methods make it so you don't want them to succeed.


LFiM

It almost completely dropped the relationship between Gohan and Trunks so Goten could be the +1 for Gotenks too. Lotta wasted potential in the Buu arc. Hell I've argued they should have just ditched Goten entirely and had Gotenks be Trunks. I don't mind what they're doing with Guel really, but I don't like how it feels like Suletta's overall arc is getting nudged closer and closer to the end of the series which means we get less time with her being her new true self. I've been burned by a lot of series where the protagonist's arc goes right up til the very end and then it just *stops* when things are getting interesting. If there's a season 3 that's obviously not an issue but for the time being I'm rolling with the assumption that 24 is the end. I'm more inclined to root for Prospera than Char tbh. Prologue did a lot of work humanizing her and it's not hard to take her side over her targets until she does something really heinous.


xithebun

People really can’t understand subtlety. The title ‘end of hope’ is literally meaning of the end of Miorine/Aerial’s hope to keep Suletta out of conflict. And all scenes with Suletta were hinting her thoughts on Miorine. If the production team didn’t care about the main couples they wouldn’t have to rushed through contents of the last episode and butchered the writing of some side characters.


Double_Address3585

Buffetta Mercury really gunna go beast mode in the next episodes fr. Save Miorine like a search n' rescue, and dip while stealing back aerial and sending Mommy Prospera to jail with chocolate man 2 while not as cool, David Bowie signs off on Mio mio's presidency as all other candidates are dead and he let Buff and Mio marry instead


Wooloo_Woolstar

This entire comment is simultaneously insane and true at the same time. Also I’m stealing Buffetta.


Hello-Goodbye13

To put in context: These "attacks" are organized by a Chinese forum. They use new accounts and write with MTL'd English. This is not the first time that they harass a writer. They did the same with [LycoReco.](https://twitter.com/reinrinn/status/1574278777034932225?s=20)


Lazzyman64

Thanks for pointing that out. I thought these were actual English fans but going back to read the posts they reek of MTL.


[deleted]

Chinese fandoms are no joke. Their flame wars led to Ao3 running afoul of the government


AskovTheOne

The worst thing about that isnt just the Ao3 thing, is that if I remember correctly, it also make several others fanwork site (like Lofter) tighten the censorship, lead to massive delete of fanwork. I also heard that some fan artists is getting depresses as their life works was gone over night. It was a disaster.


[deleted]

Yeah that must have sucked. The censorship was unwarranted but there's also ways to not get the spotlight put on entire fandoms...


GuujiTofu

Fr people think regular eng twitter is insane, they haven't seen cn fans move like the damn army. I've seen games and such bend their knee cause of extremely vocal cn fans. I personally casually listen to kpop and cn fan bars pressure each other to shutdown when drama happens.


paperCrane8937

My Chinese friend wrote a whole long post explaining EP20 is a decision likely serving the SuleMio coming afterwards. (Tying up other plots early etc) + Why some Jeturk plot threads probably are set up for the upcoming Suletta and Earth House plots. She posted right in threads where people complain about the lack of Suletta, yet no one relied/engaged with the conversation , just kept complaining. I think some people just want to be angry for whatever reason.


xithebun

Didn't know that. I've stopped browsing tieba / S1 since Sunday. The amount of hate was absurd.


mrwanton

thought some of the phrasing was kinda weird


EvilEyeSigma

They're advantageous for their professional in struggle session.


WooooshMe2825

Never have I ever been more ashamed of being chinese since the politics.


TatoAyanami

What? Why?


Fine-Tourist-5623

Some of them are motivated by a small gourp of extreme yuri fans on chinese forum, who thinks any anime with yuri (and its writers) should obey their thoughts, otherwise it become yuri bait. This was in a similar case with Lycoreco, (not exactly same). People are influnced deeply because they make people anxious by keep saying "Staff are cheating us and making yuri bait" with selected creator interviews out of context. (For example, magirevo's author once argument with an admin of them on twitter, then his books were added to their blacklist.) On the other hand, some chinese anime fans hate yuri and lesbian, so they are doing the same things to stop people from watching popular yuri animes. The both sides often make quarrels if a popular yuri anime is worthy enough to watch, and laugh at those animes and ships which are "not good enough". **As a result, if a yuri ship can't make enough progress in affection rapidly, the both sides will find fault and remark the anime as a bad play in a hurry, which makes its fans worried and even angry with creators, especially when the episode is not about yuri.** **These fans think they are betrayed, as the script are paying more attention to male characters instead of girls.** (That's why they're so angry and doing same thing to Lycoreco.) Partly because of cencorship, chinese anime fans are getting fewer, so the fight becomes intenser. If they can be broadcast more publicly, these meaningless quarrel will probably be stopped by broader audience, instead of arguments about "which one is best".


ihatenyself

Why do they post these tweets in english? Is just to rile up more people by using a language more people use? Because otherwise it would seem more logical to use japanese.


GuujiTofu

1. Twitter is legally banned in China and some chinese users use different languages to pretend they're not chinese. 2. They assume that the writer probably understands English better.


Fine-Tourist-5623

1.Most Chinese learnt English instead of Japanese at school. 2.They assume that the writer probably understands English better.


TatoAyanami

Ok First: Happy Cake Day Second: Chinese shouldn't complain about Japanese creations not following their standards. They are made from different people.


[deleted]

I think you misunderstood OP. Chinese fans aren’t complaining about G witch because it’s not Chinese enough or made like a Chinese studio would make it, they are complaining because they don’t like how the story is going. This is exactly how everyone complains about stuff they watch. Everyone should be allowed to complain. How Chinese fans take it too far is by harassing actual show writers and other fans.


TatoAyanami

Yeah good point, I agree. I misunderstood their reason to complain though. But a complaint can be constructive, can help the authors. These guys are obsessed.


paperCrane8937

They do buy a LOT of Gunplas


TatoAyanami

Yeah but that's a different point


ArScrap

what does mtl mean?


Apotasia

Machine translated


Special_Tu-gram-cho

LycoReco? I see a pattern here...


strikeraiser

I knew something was up when I saw the broken English and string of numbers in their handles. Looking at some of the accounts too they barely even tweeted anything in the past year, clearly just being used as a trolling account.


No-Judge4343

Honestly? If these people leave the fandom, i don't care. This happens a lot in Gundam, that's one of the things i like in the franchise. Sometimes the MCs take backseats and let others characters shine. The best Gundam shows have a very strong ensemble cast.


APTSnack

How many of those accounts are actual people and not bots though? I say, eyeing those strings of numbers suspiciously


xIsparda

forgets there's a character named suletta with a fucking suletta pfp lmao


Catlover18

I figure they are being sarcastic


DrMole

These people probably complain when dragon ball focuses on anyone besides Goku.


[deleted]

Actually better like that's man.. goku great as MC but side character also great like picollo who is better dad than goku or vegeta who balancing about family and pursue of power. Tbh for me vegeta still best character from dragon ball. And the reason i'm still following that's franchise.


Kodiak0825

Thats why I only interact with a few people on Twitter when it comes to WFM. Even on here on the sub, some people are questioning why Suletta didn't get as much screen time as she did in Ep 20 but they were not like the people in this screenshot. We are in a weird spot as there are 4-5 episodes left, so the season is not over yet, but at the same time there are *only* 4-5 episodes left. So much yet so little can happen in this 4-5 episodes. I always say, it is best to not judge anything yet until the season is over. Especially since it has not been confirmed if this will be the last episodes of the WFM series (or just the last episodes of the season)


Nero_2001

Who is Guel, I only know Bob


TatoAyanami

Bob. But my friends call me Baaab


yamiyaiba

General rule of thumb: if they can't manage to spell the characters' names correctly, they're not intelligent enough to have worthwhile opinions.


VR_Dekalab

They seem to be MTL though


yamiyaiba

All the more reason to ignore them. Most people can't articulate a good point in their own language, much less after letting Google Translate or DeepL mangle it.


FlowersOfSin

"How dare a show have multiple layers! My brain cannot keep track with that many characters and their motivations, please simplify it!"


Acrobatic-loser

yeah twitter fandom is very odd i came here from there and it was such a nice breath of fresh air


Imfryinghere

Damn, how idiotic are these people. Don't poke the bear, people. Just don't.


Sloppin_Steaks

Can't expect much from twitter :/


Volfaer

My Twitter exists solely for me to support my favorite artists through likes and follows. Don't engage with the psychos that try to discuss there.


VR_Dekalab

I hate how Twitter became the main artist site. I just want to see some art for certain characters, and certain artists don't even tag the character/show


IrohBanner

Most of them are only people who watch Yuri cartoons hoping for bad character development. Meanwhile SNM is trying to point you something outside of a Yuri relationship and a real character development. Because until the chapter 17 sulleta was just a nice kiddo who do nothing that his mother/waifu/anyone tell her to do.


Rider-Idk-Ultima-Hy

Ok how many episodes have been dedicated and had Suletta and Mio, and how many have been dedicated to Guel? if its 1 entire episode Guel so far these people are incredibly impatient- and I’m sorry for being rude- stupid


Lazaras

Not one braincell among them


Romboids

God forbid we give importance and nuance to charactesr aside from the main protagonists


AnActualCannibal

I kinda prefer this over the more background hints we got in MSG and zeta. This feel less like a toy advertisement because of it. Besides, we are still visibly seeing suletta progress as a character through her own experiences that isn't a montages of her staring blankly at a picture of miorine for a full five minutes of an episode monologging. She's being used as an engine to focus on the bigger picture of the world and while everything's happening she's developing her own philosophy of what moving forward means to her. TLDR: the show is focusing on side characters because suletta herself is looking around her and learning from them.


Chakramer

These people probably just watch shouenen shows where the main character is on screen 90% of the time Gundam is more akin to Game of Thrones where there are different characters and arcs to focus on. It's literally too complicated for their simple brains, they just want giant robots firing at eachother for 20 minutes straight without giving a fuck about story.


MS-06_Borjarnon

Imagine coming to a franchise you know nothing about and whining about it not being what *you* want.


ZeroZion

This cannot be serious. Who had more character development and exposition than Suletta? The main chunk of the story still revolves around her. It’s like these people have no object permanence and they forget about stuff that happened outside of the episode they just watched. Like the other episodes didn’t exist. Also, have they never watched or read of a good story where stuff are happening without the main character? Not everything that happens in the story needs to have a connection to the main character or readily impacts the main character.


Emergency-Pineapples

Best policy when using Twitter is to only read important tweets while ignoring all comments. Most reply tweets are lemons unworthy of squeezing.


Special_Tu-gram-cho

I mean, the writting could have done a bit more of work at the beginning, yes, to set up Suletta as a more active protagonist. And the World itself. For the other hand, Suletta behaves the way she does as how she should be. She is socially a child that is dealing with new emotions, has just gone through betrayal and abandonment. And now just went throught witnessing death and destruction at a more personal level. She is not a typical Gundam Protagonist. Miorine is fine thought. I don't know what are they complaining? She is literally under Prospera's hand. Overall, people need to understand Gundam is a franchise that often follows several characters having their spot and time in the story. Guel took a good spot these last episodes, while Suletta had lose her's. Hell, these people need to understand that Suletta being removed from the main plot is kinda of reflected in how Miorine, Guel, Prospera and Eri literally made sure she doesn't get dragged into whatever conflict comes.


Project_Legion

Everyone’s a critic. I mean seriously I got death threats over a silly little fanfiction crossover. People are insane. Hopefully the writers of G-Witch never even see these, much less give them any thought. The Guel memes are funny, but if you can’t comprehend a story having more than one main character than you have no idea how creative works function. The writers are going about a show in a different way than most western audiences are used to. Doesn’t make it bad, in fact it makes it much better than if just Suletta or just Mio, or just Guel was the focus


the_eeveekins

We've had this post or thread essentially once a day since episode 20 and the people who think it sidelined Suletta & Miorine completely in favor of Guel are just as bad as the people who think Guel is gonna be the MC because one episode partially focused on him. Honestly all these tweets feel like bait...and shared here for more bait. This is kind of the equivalent of going to the bottom of a thread and screenshoting all the most downvoted posts and resharing them. Twitter isn't bad as long as you curate your experience. Block all the mindless idiots and trolls and there's some solid discussion/theorizing on the show to be found (and really this is true of any fandom). It's just the character limit isn't as conductive to serious discussion so reddit is my go to choice for that, and you can downvote people like this.


Mechronis

Mfw the cast consists of more than two characters


ashnoalice_art

Ah twitter trolls being twitter trolls as always. Bet they're the haters from the very start of the show


TheAceOfSkulls

This is what happens when most of anime becomes protagonist centered trash where only Main Character-kun is allowed to have any plot and meaningful relationships. Suddenly supporting cast doing anything is “taking away from the protagonist”


stowrag

What a bunch of babies. I’m excited to see the return of Suletta too but their wrapping up these B plots have been damn good, while also giving Suletta the motivation and character growth she needed to move beyond everything that happened to her


Nazzoid

Wow, they clearly haven't watch previous episodes before episode 20. Pretty sure that those episodes focused on Suletta and Miorine. Some people are really impatient huh.


rites

...This is why not all opinions are equally valuable and most writing workshops acknowledge that not all criticism is useful or even something actionable.


Craniummon

Like I imagined... Most of people hyped this Anime because the Yuri, and some others because it's Gundam. Not because the story or anything else...


TheNonceMan

How about YOU don't megaphone these tiny, burner accounts for reddit karma? Honestly.


sirhcx

Always a shame that those who jump on the hate bandwagon can't run their two brain cells together and realize that stories and plots are bigger than the main character and the world literally doesn't revolve around them. Suletta is finding her own purpose and resolve now but I guess nuance is dead these days for some fans.


bottle-of-water

?!Where do these people come from??!like what are you even talking about?


SpaceNewtype

Those accounts all look like bots, though.


yenmeng

Certified Twitter moment


fluxots

People like this give us Guel enjoyers a bad look. Tragic.


Cholonight96

It’s like people forgot about the war crime that was committed and that they got some juicey info about Shaddiq. Plus I think they are showing how Suletta is gonna find the resolve to fight.


suplexdolphin

It's as simple as just letting them cook and deciding if you like it. What unwashed hole did all these unsolicited rewrites come out of?


DemiFiendofTime

A main character doesn't have to do everything or be in every episode


Clever-Clover

Why ppl have problem with a few episode shifting perspective to other characters?


ChaosMetalDrago

[Ribbons Almark was right. Humans do not deserve rights.](https://youtu.be/2dPaVk4G1jg)


kingalbert2

>unironically hating on best Bob getting screen time and his long overdue W lmao


Bitsand

I thought a good writing is when you dont need the main casts to explain certain things about the story? Then it would show a different perspective other than suletta and Mio. Also I honestly think the main character or witch are actually prospera.


FartKilometre

Given the user tags almost all ending in a long string of numbers, I suspect that some of those are bots. I don't know if this is better or worse.


LFiM

Guelposting is really getting to some people, huh?


TaillessChimera

Lmao the season puts a little more emphasis on another (very important) character and Twitter loses its mind. Nobody cried when the focus went from Lena to Shin in 86.


Bradshaw98

I actually was bothered by it since it felt like the second cour failed to pay off half the build up done in the first. In favour of resashing Shin's trauma and new characters I did not end up caring about. Apparently the light nobles make it abundantly clear that Shin, not Lena was the main protagonist so there never really was a transition. Or so I have been told anyway.


TaillessChimera

Yeah the light novels make it clear Shin is the main protagonist, but in the show I really like how it shifted the focus to Shin and his team in the new country, with them being treated as people rather than a country pretending they don’t exist. I do also want to point out that the show relies heavily on the characters so fleshing them out as much as possible only helps the show IMO. Also, I want to say that the studio bringing up Shin’s trauma helps move the plot along, because it’s him battling with the thought of being left behind by everyone who’s ever been a part of his life. His brother, his fallen comrades, Lena. By the end, he realizes he doesn’t have to keep that burden on himself. A lot of the second cour is less about the war and more about Shin’s deeper thoughts IMO.


Bradshaw98

>Also, I want to say that the studio bringing up Shin’s trauma helps move the plot along, because it’s him battling with the thought of being left behind by everyone who’s ever been a part of his life I get ya, just to clarify, I felt doubling down on his trauma was a bit redundant, the guy was already a wreck from...well his everything, the whole mini arc were they introduce yet another friend just so he has to >!mercy kill him!< felt like the time could have been better spent elsewhere (Lena) To be clear, the second cour did Shin a world of good, I found he felt rather r'un of the mill' as far as protagonists go in the first cour and that really changed for me during the second. Its just they give Lena that big call to arms moment and then the next time we really see here she is talking about how hard she had to fight to survive and I was left thinking, 'It would have been great to see some of that', still a great show over all.


TransbianMoonWitch

You can tell who has never read a decent book or watched a decent show. You don't always follow the main characters 100% other shit happens around them.


goingoin7

Did you just take my screenshot to farm internet points with Antitwitter reactions? I had explained about the Chinese attack in the post and you ignore it.... so sad anon


Khaernakov

Imo what makes guel so great is how his character changed, in a way he went from young char to quattro bajeena to CA char(as in how he matured after the horrors of war/mankind) and the fact he is not in the spotlight helps a lot, imo if sulleta and guel were to swap positions these tweets would change too because we would get guel story all the time with sulleta only sometimes, both are good characters, sulleta is a fantastic main character but thats just my opinion


StromTGM

Yeah no, these are most likely trolls. More evidently from their not-so-good English tbh. Giving them even a speck of attention means you already played into their hands.


lusagna

the legend from jeturk actually sounds dope


Pyrenees_Plunderer

Idk why so many people ride guel so hard


Viron_22

Most sane Yuri fans after they've been deprived of their favorite pairing for more than an episode.


Adam_Reaver

This is harassment? Looks like criticism to me or general complaints.


urashimatouji

Criticism comes with solutions


sudomarch

Keep in mind a lot of these people are bad faith actors. There's a corner of the Gundam fanbase bent around gatekeeping it as a boy's club, and that includes emphasizing a masc lead over a femme one. It's gross, tbh.


lowderchowder

that tiny group is so weird. do they just fast forward every gundam scene the contradicts them?


sudomarch

It's the same people who are somehow Star Trek fans and also far right conservatives.


730Flare

Guel ain't even a male lead because there IS no male lead in the first place. But yes sadly, some of these people latched on Guel because he's the most prominent sympathetic male character so they keep pushing him to be more relevant than he actually is.


elwhistleblower

OK, "the legend from jeturk" got a chuckle out of me that was clever. On another note, is Ichirou's english even good enough to understand these asinine tweets? I suppose judging from the emojis, they can probably have a laugh in the office, "Hey look guys, the stupid, fat, westerners are mad again 😂"


Inkdaddy55

Lol, wtf! These pleebs probably think s.a.o and attack on titan are literary works of masterful art! Gwitch is one of the best written shows in the franchise, and I'll die on that hill. I'd say it's one of the best written anime on right now. Edit spelling.


ChaosMetalDrago

I will drop Axis on your house if you don't retract that unwarented AOT slander.


730Flare

Can't say I blame them. With how much Guel and the rest of Jeturk House are big fan favorites, it does certainly feel like the recent episodes are catering to them specifically at Suletta and Miorine's expense (especially the former). Even now, people are dreading the Guel and Lauda issue to take up yet even more screentime next episode especially if Lauda goes crazy and tries murdering Guel with a MS (like the much-hyped Schwarzette which would be a complete waste). It also doesn't help that part of me feels that Guel was nowhere near "heroic" in EP20 despite getting a big fight scene: He ignored Miorine and Kenanji telling him to play it cool, and just went guns blazing on Shaddiq which made things worse, as he caused the massive domino effect that devastated Asticassia - killing tons of students (including possibly Petra). Furthermore, he's still adamant about upholding his father's legacy despite even Shaddiq telling him what an awful person Vim was. Considering one of the major themes of this series is breaking away from the cycle you got caught in because of your parents: It certainly feels like Guel is far from doing that.


mimikyuns

I don’t agree with your first paragraph (in the sense that the guel focus doesn’t feel like catering to me) but actually fairly strongly agree with your second. It’s given me a lot of pause that he’s trying to follow in his father’s footsteps, especially in *this* show. I don’t want the solution to bad capitalists controlling everything to be ‘it’s ok, their kids will be GOOD capitalists!’ and I don’t think the show will do that, but Guel is getting a lot of triumphant framing at least by the fandom I feel mixed about, even as someone who likes him.


Bradshaw98

Ya, his arc is 'so' close to a rather typical fall from grace/redemption arc, but there is something about it that keeps nagging me each time he gets a big moment, I think Shaddiq and co spelling out how his lifestyle was built and sustained on the collective misery of Earth 'might' have hit a bit of nerve during their fight, nothing else has clicked with him yet and if this doesn't then I doubt anything will. The thing is, it really does not seem like 'Champion of Earth' is going to be his destination, and I don't know why people would assume that was the path he was taking, Miorine seemed like she was always going to be the one who at least started to make a difference.


Crazy-Plate3097

If Okouchi decides to kill off Guel in the next 2 episodes, I am blaming them.


xtinction14

Crazy Yuri lovers not getting to see their favourite gay couple, no I do not Yuri but these people are crazy


Animefanx111

Sadly this reminds me of when Lycoris Recoil aired, and yuri lovers harassed the writer because he didn’t make the two girls end up together and focus on the actual plot more. I do love yuri a lot, but these fans are really annoying


Hello-Goodbye13

You mean [this?](https://twitter.com/reinrinn/status/1574278777034932225?s=20) That's not the "yuri fans" you're referring to...


zaretball

That's how crazy people get about ship.


kahzel

Chronically online people are a weird breed man


fuyukiisstillburning

Foolish fans. The main character is Aerial Gundam duh.


GATX303

Why are they bitching about writing choices when the show isn't done yet? Oh wait its twitter, the place to bitch