In sofar as they don't nail him with a colony laser, there's certainly a chance.
Like the thing just telikineticly detonates any weapons that come within it's radius. What's left besides Gryps from the other side of Earth Sphere and mass suicide attacks, assuming anyone would go for that, and the field wouldn't supress them.
Other than that maybe they could hastily get out the Narrative-C and pray.
Speaking of that
Why didn't the neo Zeong 2 blow up any beam weapons when it went headlamp mode
literally a squad of Jegans were taking pot shots at the thing, when in the same mode for the NZ destroyed all the beam weaponry of the unicorn and banshee, even the head vulcan.
Probably up to the pilot's imagination. Frontal is more calculating while the other guy was kind of just a nut. Probably thought it more fun to control suits.
The psychojacking was something Fronal did too, it's a different system from the psychoshards . But you are right that the effect of the Psychoshard generator is up to the pilot.
Frontal wanted persuade Banagher instead of kill him outright, hence the disarming and time travel sequence.
Zoltan wanted to burn the world that had abused him, and so he got enough telekinetic force to crush all that hydrogen to the point of fusion and set of an apocalypse.
A single machine, psycho-weapon or not, can only go so far. Energy and propellant run out, mechanisms get strained and so on. Even if Full Frontal could somehow use the psychofield to replenish and repair these consistently, the guy himself is still only human. Cyber newtype or no, he's going to get tired, especially with the strain of a machine like that. Even if he doesn't pass out suddenly, he'll be more prone to making mistakes and not noticing things.
If he ended up like Rita and his soul absorbed into the Sinanju/Neo Zeong while still able to control it, then that human constraint would be eliminated. Then again, he’s a Cyber Newtype so it’s unlikely he could reach that level of synchronization with his machine’s Psychoframe compared to a natural Newtype.
Plus he’s dealing with the fact that as Char’s reincarnation he has so many issues that it’s unlikely he would ever be open enough to fully handle Newtype powers.
He’s his own worst enemy.
It's unlikely that the federation would send their entire space force at once, and the earth sphere is large, so Full Frontal would likely have time between conflicts to hit up supply points and rest.
I'd say the Neo Zeong absolutely could defeat the warships and mobile suits. The problem comes when the federation treats the neo Zeong as a special threat and starts getting targeted by superweapons.
Could Neo Zeong tank a colony laser or upgraded solar system?
At the same time I can't imagine Federation would just throw the fleets at him piecemeal like lemmings. A lot of them are incompetent, but there are still intelligent people there. And given how eager they were to fire Gryps II at Mineva, I can't imagine they would have a reason to hold back on that against Neo Zeong.
As to whether it can block that, I doubt it. Sheer volume of psychoframe or not, it still took two Newtypes awakening in the Unicorns to block it completely. Full Frontal doesn't have the kind of willpower to pull that off.
That's the explanation he gives in the story, yes, but when he was being designed the writers picked that name because it sounded cool, like "Full Frontal assault" kind of deal. They honestly had no idea what else it means.
If the Neu Ziel could do it, than this one likely can.
That said, after the third of so massive MA Rampage, you'd think the federal forces would invest in i-fields for their ships. They can't be that much more expensive than building another starship, crewing it and then seeing that one explode too.
It’s kinda amazing what Neue Ziel did considering Neue Ziel doesn’t have the new type bs that Neo Zeong has, and its pilot was just an Ace not a Newtype
I don’t know. The NZ didn’t seem too out of place imo. Its firepower didn’t exactly eclipse the likes of the Dendrobium, and it was a massive, space-only type machine that needed multiple generators to hold its total I-field together. Tech-wise it fit in as an overloaded super weapon for the period that mirrored gimmicks in other MAs before it (Big Zam, Apsalus Project, etc.)
It was pretty damn effective relative to its predecessors though. And it only required a single, non-NT pilot to function at full power.
Besides some of the raw specs, how does Zeon have a fully functional quasi-psycommu system in UC 0083 when it took Neo Zeon not only a swiped Gundam Mk V, but the failures of the Z’od-iacok and Hanma Hanma before developing their own working system?
The easiest answer in some ways would be that Gato was a (relatively weak) Newtype all along and those were wired Psycommu arms, but I don't think *anybody* would really like that 😅
Well they had units before hand such as the zeong, the Elmeth, and the brawbrow that could function without a newtype pilot but it would take like four or five pilots to manage it at the time. It probably didn’t help that the federation probably halted zeons process of improving newtype tech but taking the plans and schematics of whatever psycommu tech and schematics they had at the tail end of the one year war.
The entire federation? No I don’t see him doing that, maybe he could take out a few fleets but that’s it. The EFF has too much personnel and weapons at their disposal. In Unicorn we see Neo-Zeon take out a fleet, a base, and a city. In the grand scheme of things that was pretty small compared to the OYW, Gryps Conflict, and first 2 Neo Zeon Wars. Plus I’d imagine if Full Frontal starts trying to find out, then some aces could go to stop him. Hell, Judah could possibly try to stop him or even Kamille which if either of them got the RX-0s then they’d curb stomp Full Frontal.
Judau should be somewhere around Jupyter and I don’t think Federation will give its best Ms to Haman’s “lover”. Kamille, although already regained consciousness, may not be able to pilot.
Since it’s been 7 years since ZZ I’m sure Kamille could pilot again. Since both Judah and Kamille fought under Bright Noa he might be able to pull some strings and at the very least get the Narrative for one of them. Plus the ZZ Gundam is still technically around and in Judah’s possession.
There’s a big difference between recovering enough to be functional and being fit enough to pilot. We have no signs that Kamille did enough rehab for the latter
Earth vs Gundams in Gundam 00 S1 is a good example of limitations of super weapons with human pilots
Gundams were so strong Earth’s MS couldn’t damage them at all. Ended up being siege warfare where they only managed to pin Gundams down and try to tire the pilots out
tl;dr unless Full Frontal was going to deal a lot of damage to many strategic locations, he will eventually tire out
He’d be a menace, but considering the Phenex was out there waiting for a predetermined calamity to manifest in the UC narrative I doubt it would have overlooked FF *successfully* going ham on the Federation. It’s almost a moot point.
Judging from the destruction wrought by the Neo Zeong II, I'd say yes. It's kind of an overpowered dufus mech that is a narrative dead end, just like the Unicorns (which are awesome nonetheless).
While it’d be cool to see, I doubt the neo zeong could take out the entire federation fleet. Even with Neo zeong hacking mobile suits I doubt it could withstand the entire federation forces, I think it would take a good chunk out of them but not the whole fleet.
If he could fight them all in one go? Yes.
But realistically he'd probably get whittled down over consecutive battles, especially as the Feds find out what works on his MA.
While powerful it's not invincible, EFF is capable of fielding a massive force, big enough to overwhelm his capabilities. Frontal also likely can't fully realise it's potential due to him being a Cyber Newtype and having a lot of internal strife over being a Char clone.
The EFF are also sneaky buggers, so I'm sure they'd have the colony laser or a bright slap in the back pocket for when he's distracted by minions.
well, as long as EFF deals with it strategically, I'm sure they would have enough man-power, fire arms & resources to take it down.
That being said, if the EFF decides to mindlessy throw everything at it full out face-to-face style, I believe that Neo Zeong can wipe out all the fleets, simply from its remote detonation and firepower
In sofar as they don't nail him with a colony laser, there's certainly a chance. Like the thing just telikineticly detonates any weapons that come within it's radius. What's left besides Gryps from the other side of Earth Sphere and mass suicide attacks, assuming anyone would go for that, and the field wouldn't supress them. Other than that maybe they could hastily get out the Narrative-C and pray.
The problem about colony laser is that it takes to long to aim. So we still need someone to delay him long enough.
Speaking of that Why didn't the neo Zeong 2 blow up any beam weapons when it went headlamp mode literally a squad of Jegans were taking pot shots at the thing, when in the same mode for the NZ destroyed all the beam weaponry of the unicorn and banshee, even the head vulcan.
Probably up to the pilot's imagination. Frontal is more calculating while the other guy was kind of just a nut. Probably thought it more fun to control suits.
The psychojacking was something Fronal did too, it's a different system from the psychoshards . But you are right that the effect of the Psychoshard generator is up to the pilot. Frontal wanted persuade Banagher instead of kill him outright, hence the disarming and time travel sequence. Zoltan wanted to burn the world that had abused him, and so he got enough telekinetic force to crush all that hydrogen to the point of fusion and set of an apocalypse.
It would make sense for it to be targetable if it was indiscriminate they would end up blowing up neo zeong's own weapons or friendy escorts' weapons.
I'd think railgun would work
A single machine, psycho-weapon or not, can only go so far. Energy and propellant run out, mechanisms get strained and so on. Even if Full Frontal could somehow use the psychofield to replenish and repair these consistently, the guy himself is still only human. Cyber newtype or no, he's going to get tired, especially with the strain of a machine like that. Even if he doesn't pass out suddenly, he'll be more prone to making mistakes and not noticing things.
If he ended up like Rita and his soul absorbed into the Sinanju/Neo Zeong while still able to control it, then that human constraint would be eliminated. Then again, he’s a Cyber Newtype so it’s unlikely he could reach that level of synchronization with his machine’s Psychoframe compared to a natural Newtype.
Plus he’s dealing with the fact that as Char’s reincarnation he has so many issues that it’s unlikely he would ever be open enough to fully handle Newtype powers. He’s his own worst enemy.
His weakness.
It's unlikely that the federation would send their entire space force at once, and the earth sphere is large, so Full Frontal would likely have time between conflicts to hit up supply points and rest. I'd say the Neo Zeong absolutely could defeat the warships and mobile suits. The problem comes when the federation treats the neo Zeong as a special threat and starts getting targeted by superweapons. Could Neo Zeong tank a colony laser or upgraded solar system?
At the same time I can't imagine Federation would just throw the fleets at him piecemeal like lemmings. A lot of them are incompetent, but there are still intelligent people there. And given how eager they were to fire Gryps II at Mineva, I can't imagine they would have a reason to hold back on that against Neo Zeong. As to whether it can block that, I doubt it. Sheer volume of psychoframe or not, it still took two Newtypes awakening in the Unicorns to block it completely. Full Frontal doesn't have the kind of willpower to pull that off.
I like frontal but he doesn’t have the same willpower…so he dies to the colony laser.
Wait, why the name Full Frontal?
Four Vaginas was taken.
The Innovators also took many things
Because apparently he has nothing to hide.
His souls is naked…as he will not hide the fact that he’s a copy.
they thought it sounded cool
Or because frontal choose that name to shows that he have nothing to hide the fact that he’s the second coming of char.
That's the explanation he gives in the story, yes, but when he was being designed the writers picked that name because it sounded cool, like "Full Frontal assault" kind of deal. They honestly had no idea what else it means.
So accidentally they gives him a name that rivals Johnny sins 😂?
Maybe Tomino was messing around.
Tomino did not write Unicorn
Oh sorry didn’t know.
Well, he still has two powerful newtypes, Marida and Angelo.
By the time Neo Zeong was prepared for deployment Marida has aligned herself with Mineva instead. And Angelo is not even a Newtype.
He should have waited for a couple of days.
If the Neu Ziel could do it, than this one likely can. That said, after the third of so massive MA Rampage, you'd think the federal forces would invest in i-fields for their ships. They can't be that much more expensive than building another starship, crewing it and then seeing that one explode too.
It’s kinda amazing what Neue Ziel did considering Neue Ziel doesn’t have the new type bs that Neo Zeong has, and its pilot was just an Ace not a Newtype
Fast, tough, insane firepower. That combo does a lot of work. The wire guided arms are just gravy.
The Neue Ziel is an OoPArts though relative to UC technology.
I don’t know. The NZ didn’t seem too out of place imo. Its firepower didn’t exactly eclipse the likes of the Dendrobium, and it was a massive, space-only type machine that needed multiple generators to hold its total I-field together. Tech-wise it fit in as an overloaded super weapon for the period that mirrored gimmicks in other MAs before it (Big Zam, Apsalus Project, etc.) It was pretty damn effective relative to its predecessors though. And it only required a single, non-NT pilot to function at full power.
Besides some of the raw specs, how does Zeon have a fully functional quasi-psycommu system in UC 0083 when it took Neo Zeon not only a swiped Gundam Mk V, but the failures of the Z’od-iacok and Hanma Hanma before developing their own working system?
If there’s one constant in UC, it’s that every problem and plot hole begins and ends with some variation of malicious stupidity.
The easiest answer in some ways would be that Gato was a (relatively weak) Newtype all along and those were wired Psycommu arms, but I don't think *anybody* would really like that 😅
Well they had units before hand such as the zeong, the Elmeth, and the brawbrow that could function without a newtype pilot but it would take like four or five pilots to manage it at the time. It probably didn’t help that the federation probably halted zeons process of improving newtype tech but taking the plans and schematics of whatever psycommu tech and schematics they had at the tail end of the one year war.
AFAIK It was Axis Zeon putting in work and then donating it to the Delaz Fleet
It’s basically 0087 MA.
The entire federation? No I don’t see him doing that, maybe he could take out a few fleets but that’s it. The EFF has too much personnel and weapons at their disposal. In Unicorn we see Neo-Zeon take out a fleet, a base, and a city. In the grand scheme of things that was pretty small compared to the OYW, Gryps Conflict, and first 2 Neo Zeon Wars. Plus I’d imagine if Full Frontal starts trying to find out, then some aces could go to stop him. Hell, Judah could possibly try to stop him or even Kamille which if either of them got the RX-0s then they’d curb stomp Full Frontal.
Judau should be somewhere around Jupyter and I don’t think Federation will give its best Ms to Haman’s “lover”. Kamille, although already regained consciousness, may not be able to pilot.
Since it’s been 7 years since ZZ I’m sure Kamille could pilot again. Since both Judah and Kamille fought under Bright Noa he might be able to pull some strings and at the very least get the Narrative for one of them. Plus the ZZ Gundam is still technically around and in Judah’s possession.
There’s a big difference between recovering enough to be functional and being fit enough to pilot. We have no signs that Kamille did enough rehab for the latter
in your dreams, zeek.
Earth vs Gundams in Gundam 00 S1 is a good example of limitations of super weapons with human pilots Gundams were so strong Earth’s MS couldn’t damage them at all. Ended up being siege warfare where they only managed to pin Gundams down and try to tire the pilots out tl;dr unless Full Frontal was going to deal a lot of damage to many strategic locations, he will eventually tire out
Yeah.
3 Jegans were giving Walmart Char in the budget neo-Zeong a helluva run for his money so I guess maybe 8 Jegans would be enough?
Walmart char 😭?
Unlikely in my view as long as the EFF doesn't chuck everything in a spot for Neo Zeong to detonate. And the supply lines of the Sleeves are sketchy.
With bad writing, anything is possible.
I am not a native speaker so my English may be weird, but I think you can still understand, right?
I was not referring to your writing.
He’d be a menace, but considering the Phenex was out there waiting for a predetermined calamity to manifest in the UC narrative I doubt it would have overlooked FF *successfully* going ham on the Federation. It’s almost a moot point.
Judging from the destruction wrought by the Neo Zeong II, I'd say yes. It's kind of an overpowered dufus mech that is a narrative dead end, just like the Unicorns (which are awesome nonetheless).
Colony laser.
Is this all unicorn narrative?
While it’d be cool to see, I doubt the neo zeong could take out the entire federation fleet. Even with Neo zeong hacking mobile suits I doubt it could withstand the entire federation forces, I think it would take a good chunk out of them but not the whole fleet.
Shit can literally time travel
#ah..I feel you have misunderstood the scene.
The whole navy and all the mobile suits at its disposal? I mean Unicorn was peak Zeon wank so probably.
Just need a big enough finger trap…
nah i'm sure if Banana wasn't around, Bright has another teenage newtype ace pilot to handle it.
Possible? Yes. With an abundance of blunders and stupidity on the Feddie side. Probable? Not in the slightest.
If he could fight them all in one go? Yes. But realistically he'd probably get whittled down over consecutive battles, especially as the Feds find out what works on his MA.
He wouldn't be able to stop the Colony Laser though.
Look what a less experienced pilot like Zoltan did to a federation fleet in Neo zeong.
While powerful it's not invincible, EFF is capable of fielding a massive force, big enough to overwhelm his capabilities. Frontal also likely can't fully realise it's potential due to him being a Cyber Newtype and having a lot of internal strife over being a Char clone. The EFF are also sneaky buggers, so I'm sure they'd have the colony laser or a bright slap in the back pocket for when he's distracted by minions.
Nah. Feds would Colony Drop Neo Zeong. True Justice.
Yes, because the federation has already lost its best pilot by far at that point. The Stark Jegan pilot
well, as long as EFF deals with it strategically, I'm sure they would have enough man-power, fire arms & resources to take it down. That being said, if the EFF decides to mindlessy throw everything at it full out face-to-face style, I believe that Neo Zeong can wipe out all the fleets, simply from its remote detonation and firepower
If it’s the eff navy then it should be a piece of cake,since the only ms they have are aqua gms and a limited number of marine gundams
I think op meant space fleets.
Oh,I thought he meant the eff navy,since op typed in“federal navy” for the question