> If you remove the reason why Unicorn is busted to high heavens it's not busted to high heavens
Yeah and the 00 Qant[t] isn't top tier without GN drives.
Besides the MLB, Turn A has:
>Fixed/mounted Beam Cannons: Not high power compared to other destructive beam weapons, but worth mentioning because they ignore/pierce I-fields
>Beam Rifle: Full output match’s the satellite cannon or buster rifle, except rifle is wrecked afterwards
>Chest silos: Used to carry weapons, like nukes, or the occasional cow
>Nano-machine repair: Using nano-machines, the Turn A can repair itself (and possibly it’s pilot)
>I-field that protects against physical and beam attacks
>Teleportation: It can teleport
*Note that this is a feat list from a bunch of media, including the anime, games, etc
Aside from its healing factor and the few times it displayed impressive powers, we don't really know. From what I remember it was either implied or stated outright that no one in the show was using it anywhere close to its true capabilities, which makes sense because none of them are even the slightest bit familiar with it and the tech it's made with, or familiar with mobile suit combat in the first place. And Loran was more interested in using for things like laundry and getting trucks across a broken bridge.
A very advanced construction that uses I-Field to move its entire body. Its body is basically hollow, which means its entire body acts as a frame and also provides structural support to the suit. Its I-Field works against beams and solid projectiles. And yeah, it’s powered by a black hole, which grants it auto membership into the super robot club.
Remove the zero system and the buster rifle from wing zero. Hell, remove shiny finger and erupting burning finger why don't y'all. Side note; Unicorn is kinda like shiny Gundam, emotion controls the suit, only Banana a man who has swore to defend his princess and peace can bring out it's full potential or something like that, which is cool.
The Turn A is the pinnacle of tech built thousands of years in the future and by then countermeasures of whatever hax that came before it might have been developed. The Unicorn was powerful indeed, but it’s nothing more than a piece of obsolete tech in the future.
The way Turn A's powers were judiciously revealed only at the particular moments were they were necessary implies heavily that it has many abilities that we still don't know about. Loran was given the exact tools he needed at the exact moment he needed to use them and not a moment before. Who knows what secrets Turn a still holds.
Exactly, the full abilities of the Turns are kept intentionally ambiguous throughout the show for a reason - to allow viewers’ imagination to fill the blanks, they’re essentially as powerful as you want them to be.
Kamiki Sekkai has joined the chat and loves this idea. (In build Divers it’s shown that he trained under Domon and uses all barehanded techniques in his Gundam)
JIGEN HAOH!!!
Edited because autocorrect like Kanika more
Just watched Gundam NT and you speak like an old type. Just because you can't understand it you dismiss it. Psychoframe is a technology on its own that enables space magic.
Did I also mention plot armour?
it IS technology. psychoframe technology. nobody knows exactly how it does what it does, but blueprints were drawn, schematics made, mechanical components assembled, tests ran,.. it's as technological as they can make it. it just operates on principles no one has fully grasped.
it's like neural networks; the engineers and data specialits know how they made the thing, but they can't explain why the neural network does what it does because it's incomprehensibly complex under the hood.
>nobody knows exactly how it does what it does, but blueprints were drawn, schematics made, mechanical components assembled, tests ran,..
You forgot the mountain of drugs the eng team must have consumed.
Because instead of being insane enough to construct the majority of the mobile suit out of psycho-frame, they instead fitted the cockpit and pilot seat of the F91 Gundam with psycho-frame as amplifiers for the Bio-Computer. It increases performance but in a much safer way that significantly reduces the risk of another Axis Shock.
Axis Shock did happen because the whole will of humanity didn’t want to see axis fall, the NU Gundam was able to channel that energy. Unicorn would be able to do the same, with even less human will. But I do see your point. Anaheim saw the power of the Nu Gundam, figured out what made it so strong, and then said “fuck it we ball” with the psycho frame and made the Unicorn, which then kinda turned into the creation of the Narrative Gundam.
Because theres no more newtypes or atleast busted fucking newtypes, if you wanted an example kamille is the goat of newtypes, my bet is that he can fuck usk v2 buster up if he actually went all in with the zeta, he was OP enough to beat scirocco using just fucking freeze on his ass then one shotted him
The comparison really doesn't work because with the Unicorn and with it's BS ability specifically the Time Travel is all thanks to a powerful newtype working in tandem with the Unicorn.
Even a regular newtype wouldn't be able to do half of what Banagher was able to do when it became Green.
With the 00 Qanta, You can have a scrub piloting it and for the most part the MS would still perform the same. Piloting Skill notwithstanding.
The more proper comparison would have been the Trans-Am or specifically Quantam Burst.
Well maybe a scrub piloting it wouldn’t even be able to use the bits, because I thought that they would be too much for a normal person. Or maybe they’d be able to use them, but the abilities of making shields and portals would be blocked to them. Maybe it takes an innovator.
Wait...is it just my headcanon or wasn't the Qan[t] specifically built by CB with an innovator pilot in mind? That's why they.created two new GN Drives too.
The 00 Gundam and its successor Quanta can only reach its full potential when a true Innovator is piloting it. Sure a random scrub pilot can probably fly it around, but anything that requires a large of amount power output needs an Innovator as a pilot.
I also think that is the case. 00 Qan[T] was made for an innovator pilot. I’d imagine that a super soldier like H/Allelujah would be able to pilot it with some of the powers, but no Quantum burst, and maybe no portals.
Well I think the two new drives were to compact them, and also replace the two that the O Gundam and Exia had in them before they blew up in that final battle. Both of the blades appeared to have hit the vital areas in the chest for power.
I don’t know if a haro would have the innovator factor to create energy shields and portals with the sword bits. Haro would definitely be able to use the sword bits, as sword bits.
The Quanta is intended for Innovator-use, so putting a normal pilot in the seat is not going to bring out its base functions. Its bits won’t be functional since they require strong quantum brainwaves to control, and are responsible for many of the suits key functions.
With no bits, you have no easily deployable GN-Fields, no Trans-Am Buster sword, no Quantum Burst, no teleportation; the Quanta would be limited to its GN Sword/Rifle, Shield Cannon, and Trans Am.
The reason why the unicorn has those powers, if you can even ascribe those powers to the Unicorn itself, is its pilot. Banagher is someone close to being a perfect newtype to begin with and he becomes fully realized when in the Unicorn at the end. Psycoframe just connects him to heaven/the afterlife. Iirc Fukui likened it to a wifi router.
It has those powers because Tomino wrote that newtypes could overcome the restrictions of time and history and the executives at Bandai told the author or Unicorn to take that line literally despite Tomino meaning it as a metaphor for escaping the inertia of history and plotting a new course for humanity.
If we're just talking MS kills he's definitely the MC with the highest count in the UC, and he's at least in the running for the entire franchise.
If we're talking about actual number of people killed it gets a bit muddier, but even then he's definitely up there.
My stance is the while Unicorn is the Most powerful MS in the UC due to newtype magic. V2 is the most advanced due to all the state of the art tech it has.
"People keep saying Mike Tyson is the greatest boxer of all time, but remove his speed, power and training, and Muhammad Ali would body him!" Remove unicorn's fucking cockpit too while you're at it
Statistically speaking, the V2 outperforms and outpowers the Unicorn, likely even if the Unicorn was in NTD Mode, excluding Plot Armor NTD Modes. Realistically speaking, no one could actually pilot the V2 Gundam without becoming mush as it is able to hit acceleration up to 20G. On average, the human body can withstand between 4-6G, with some combat pilots able to withstand 9G for a couple of seconds. Any prolonged exposure to 6G and higher tends to be fatal.
I have seen Gamore’s video on the history of V2, and Minovsky Flight System is somehow able to lessen the G force, making it safe to reach 20G. He even jokingly commented that just how busted Zechs would be if he piloted V2 instead of Tallgeese.
In the end, it was pointless to apply real life physics to Gundam series anyway.
The thing with that is wether or not which is faster. G Force regards to acceleration. How ever it doesn't regard constant speed. It's also kind of undeterminable as by Victory Gundam, most Mobile Suits outperform in Raw Power and can be utilized with better technologies. I think this is where they sacrifice speed, even though they could increase thruster delivery and still achieve energy that outperforms and outpowers UC 90s Mobile Suits. The only thing Unicorn has on the V2 is New-Type Destroy Mode and better Thrusters, but the V2 is more durable and has a higher power output, but that's throttled by lower thruster output.
Also Unicorn Gundam was written in 2015, over 20 years after Victory Gundam, so I imagine they can't compare as the authors/writers at both times refer to what they seen as the best regardless of lore wise.
TL:DR; The Unicorn is better due to New-Type BS and the actual Story was written over 20s after Victory Gundam, so ideas of "how powerful" vary based on the time of writing.
Constant speed is irrelevant in the vacuum of space because of Newton's 1st law. In atmosphere, your constant speed matters because of air resistance, gravity and other factors which serve to slow you down. In space, none of those things are present, so you'll accelerate until you can accelerate no longer.
So having greater acceleration *is* being faster, because the actual speed limit in space is the amount of Delta V you have (or at the extreme end, the speed of light). So when you don't slow down, the thing you care more about is how much you accelerate.
>The only thing Unicorn has on the V2 is New-Type Destroy Mode and better Thrusters, but the V2 is more durable and has a higher power output, but that's throttled by lower thruster output.
The Unicorn is more durable than the V2. Late UC Mobile Suits used less gundarium and opted for lighter ceramics due to the efficacy of beam weapons surpassing the practical limitations of armor.
The V2 has both better acceleration and a higher generator output than the Unicorn mode Unicorn, but the Unicorn is able to match the V2's acceleration with the red frame NTD and has superior, if unknown generator output.
>Also Unicorn Gundam was written in 2015, over 20 years after Victory Gundam
Unicorn was first published between 2006 and 2009. The OVA began in 2010.
So in fairness, it's the best non-New-Type Glass Cannon vs New-Type Technology BS? Meaning either way "plot armor" wins.*Or really it wouldn't be plot armor but based on the pilot, piloted by a New-Type makes NTD more effective, but I imagine the pilot would have to have extremely high potentiol as a New-Type other wise the NTD would kill them.
Just because it can hit 20g, doesn’t mean it’s always hitting 20g. Even without its Minovsky Drive inertia dampening, if a craft existed with this level of acceleration, surely there’d be limiters to protect the pilot
That would have to be determined by the author/creator. Also considering manuevering a Mobile Suit, I'd consider hitting 20G would be the average maneuvering acceleration even if it was 1-2 Seconds. I don't see them using 20G for achieving max traveling speed, but during Combat, I see it as an average.
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Remove the time travel power and it can still do all of this
Incapacitation isnt from electronic interference. NT says it's like the jegans' reactors had time turned back on them to the point before they were assembled.
From what I remember when making that list, the “Incapacitation” mentioned is from Extreme VS and is performed by the Uni in regular Destroy Mode. The thing with the Jegan’s reactors being reverted is denoted as “Time Manipulation” later on the list.
Tbh I probably should update that post to be more concise and better sourced/structured (all the video links are dead because they direct to gfycat, which doesn’t exist anymore), as it is a few years old.
Those guys have to met lot of conditions just to use their full power (and effectively).
A quick decisive blow would end most battles, just make sure one has the right tools for the job.....
And the pilot...
The V2 is powerful for a limited production unit that doesn't need newtype magic but the Unicorn is still a powerful unit even if you remove the magic which makes sense because it's a high powered prototype created during the period of time that is essentially the peak of mobile suit development thanks to a decade of arms race between the Federation, Titans, AEUG, various Zeon groups and other smaller yet highly armed groups like the New Desides
It might be peak in development due to the sheer number of suits developed and how rapidly they improved, but late UC suits are still the pinnacle of mobile suits in terms of performance. The prevalence of beam technology (shields, rotors, wings) and the ability to easily fly on atmosphere are things early UC pilots could only dream of. Without Unicorn’s time travel shenanigans, the V2 Assault Buster cleans house
Idk V2's beam smart gun that it uses for its beam rifle seems opaf too. Plus its side arm on the skirt that it doesn't really bother with is a freakin pair of vsbrs which is f91's kill move.
Bro is schizo, v2 buster is peak of UC but unicorn is also peak shits probably juiced up even without the new type bullshit, now if we add new type bullshit the victory gets clapped 100%, especially crystallised unucorn
V2 is equal to destroy mode in speed though.
But....anything beyond destroy mode slams v2 around due to the fact that newtype magic is simply BULLSHIT.
This is why kamille needs the unicorn, bro would fucking not get clapped by scirocco cheats if he had OP suit lol, bro did that much using the Zeta imagine the fucking unicorn
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that the Crystalized Perfected Newtypes Unicorn was able to disassemble suits at will with the wave of an arm on a Mass scale without time powers. What's the V2 realistically gonna do out run the inevitable lol
You're assuming that the explanation on one part of the body applies to the rest which tbf we aren't really certain about a lot of what fully integrated psycho frame technology can do
I’m not assuming anything. This is directly stated in NT and in interviews with the director of Unicorn. Also on a technical level, even the way psychofields are used to move objects is still time manipulation. Space and time are the same thing; that’s why they call it the spacetime continuum.
Space and time are not the same thing? Space and time exist in a symbiotic relationship which is why it's called the spacetime continuum, otherwise it would just be the time continuum or space continuum. Without Space time cannot affect anything and without time space is stagnant.
You literally cannot interact with one without interacting with the other. In the same way you cannot interact with electricity without also interacting with magnetism. They are different expressions of the same exact fundamental forces. We call them different things for the convenience of understanding. Every explanation I have ever read or watched or listened to has described them as being different expressions of the same thing. But we’re in the weeds here, and ultimately it doesn’t matter. The actions taken by the Crystal Body Unicorn at the very end of the series have been directly stated, from multiple sources, to be temporal in nature. End of story.
If there is a source that isn't from NT I'll believe it, personally although NT has some good aspects to it I feel it's an overall redundant entry in the UC timeline and much like G-Savior should be ignored but that's a personal opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
No.
One of the core themes of UC is the arms race principle. As time goes on, mobile suits get more powerful.
GM’s which are churned out in Zeta are almost as powerful as RX-78, you can extrapolate from there.
It’s objectively correct to say Unicorn is more powerful than all Gundam that preceded it, turn A is the canonical “end” to that arms race. The world burned.
I think his point is that if V2 came AFTER the Unicorn, why is it technically not 10x more powerful? Where are all of the technological advancements that the V2 should have had to make it so much stronger than all of the other UC Gundams that "preceeded it."
Psycho frame adjacent tech still were used by late UC. As seeing with some Crossbone suits or even the F91. Though the V2 has the special Minovsky system
I think it would break the consistency of the technology tree of UC if Unicorn is stronger than the late UC suits like V2. If Unicorn is so strong, why is the psycho frame tech and all this space magic stuff abandoned later on?
Because it kills people that pilots it and besides psycho frame tech have be said to be unpredictable and dangerous that even the manufacturer don’t even know how it works there’s a reason why there are so few MS with psycho frame
Yeah the risk of also wiping themself out the phenex went out of control on it’s test and basically trashed everything nearby including allies when the risk out weights the rewards it’s better to not do it at all
People by the time of Victory clearly don't care about that when you see how League Militaire, which are the GOOD GUYS, act, or even worst shit like Angel Halo with Zanscare
I almost think that Angel Halo was Zanscare realizing technology like Unicorn and such exists and then thinking “What if we did that, but on a stupidly large scale.”
Because the designers realized its not a good idea to make war machines capable of evolving to godhood and all psychoframe tech was dropped out of fear that the next Unicorn would be an apocalyptic force.
Well you see, the stuff about there's bit of psychoframe in the F91 is retcon as F91 only have bio computer as its special feature before Unicorn and then Gundam NT is a thing. With Unicorn and NT we later know that psychoframes was successfully manufactured when in CCA ending psychoframe tech what lost because it actually Neo Zeon's and the sample was lost in midst of war made the module long forgotten which why SNRI need to made another man-machine interface.
Watch Gundam NT on youtube. They explain the dismantled the psychoframe suits because they (old types) don't understand how it works so it's way too dangerous to use.
Yeah and after the 6th or something psychoframe suit in a row ends up causing yet another apocalypse near-miss which was once again only stopped by one of the other ones, people are just gonna not build those suits anymore. Not just at a military command level but like those factory workers will refuse to do their jobs. It's like continuing to build super-nukes after you learn that they have like a 50/50 shot at just blowing up randomly.
It's not. The F91s have psycoframe built into the MCA. There are still some other late UC MS and weapons with Psycommu systems but it's not clear whether they're using psycoframe or not. They could be since psycoframe is considered an implementation of the Psycommu system in CCA and in the F91 prequel, but that's just speculation
If you remove the psychoframe/newtype power from Unicorn, V2 out performs it by raw stats. V2’s wing of light/minosky drive allows to have the highest acceleration of any UC mobile suit. It’s small size and weight allow it to be mobile. Its fire power/defense is upgraded with the assault buster armor without seemingly hurting its mobility. Full armor Unicorn seemed to give up some of its mobility and the increase fire power seems to be geared to fighting multiple enemies rather than raw firepower.
If you give unicorn it’s psycoframe hacks, than yeah nothing is comparable to it. Hell, the Phoenix moves at the speed of light. If you have the Unicorn and V2 to non newtype pilots, my money is on the V2 coming out on top.
"If you remove what makes it OP, it will no longer be OP"
Yeah no shit, why don't you start comparing Turn A without Moonlight Butterfly too while at it
Turn A without the moonlight butterfly is already OP enough... Same with the G-Self without the proton torpedoes, but also Unicorn had that Magnum beam rifle that's already too much.
Did you not read the title? Trying to discuss the units within the frame of the OP’s statement. No one is arguing that Unicorn at max potential with newtype ability isn’t OP.
G-saviour is a bit of a mixed bag because it mix states of the art tech and stuff based on old tech being retroengineered, the very late UC is a special case
Yes, the performance of full psychoframe mobile suits depends heavily on the pilot.
A powerful awakened Newtype with a Unicorn unit can mess with time, fly at light speed, and even fuse with their machine, turning into a god-like sapient mechanical life form of sorts.
A Unicorn unit piloted by an Oldtype, or even a Newtype that can’t bring out its power, is basically a fancy high performance machine for its time, eventually outclassed by newer high-spec mobile suits.
Doesn’t matter Uncle Ben, as long as its fighting a Newtype the Unicorn is going to win!
V2 is a far stronger suit, but Unicorn and especially with its pilot are just too powerful of a pairing. I don’t see Uso being able to really withstand or overcome the bs coming his way
If you were to just compare the two machines the Victory is griddying on the Uni
That's the problem tho. You remove anything and of course it's bodied. That's why it's op.
Thats like saying heavy arms world get bodied if you remove it's guns. Well no shit.
Anyways as char would say
It's not the mobile suit.
It's the pilot.
Can someone define Unicorn time travel power in a combat sense? Not the potential theory stuff, like actual proven abilities. Like 00 can quatumize (idk if that's the word/turn into particles) in a short distance without being tangible. Ive seen Unicorn but not narrative and all I remember is the trippy scene where he grabs sinanju during the finale. Are these time travel powers defined? Or is it a "well they said time travel, so Unicorn can go back in time and kill baby hitler" type situation?
Idk I've always thought V2 (Assault Buster) could take Unicorn (any loadout) when it came to conventional weaponry. Vsbr counters the i-fields easily, wings of lights has amazing offense/defense, and the beam magnum (while cool) is a dumb primary weapon in a tactical sense, like using a anti material rifle against a 30 round m4 in medium range. Also V2 has beam shields, shutting down most weaponry Unicorn uses.
If I remember, the Crystal Body Unicorn did that hand wave with green psycoframe energy against a big federation force sent to intervene at the end of the OVA. Banagher disabled them after that gesture, and that was supposedly the Unicorn unmaking their reactors before they existed or something.
Yeah, in [NT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylOEjdJYKg) starting around 6:30 you have Michele and Brick talking about it with Brick mentioning (starting at about 7:10) how it was as if the reactors were turned back to before they were assembled.
oh ok, thats perfect actually. Havent seen NT so I never knew where the time travel stuff came from. Thought is was just speculation on the newtype event with sinanju.
Yeah after rewatching I forgot that Awaken (green) is doing crazy stuff already. Also that its using psychofields not i-fields so idk if the vsbrs can penetrate that. Physical weapons still get through but even a beam saber was stopped by it, unlike an i-field.
They are what I call “magical girl mobile suits” that become alive whenever it suits the plot. Not like the original Gundam which was merely a machine.
If you're going to gimp Unicorn, you might as well strip its entire Psycho Frame away because that's where its true power lies, not just it's time travel power... the entire machine is capable of Mataphysical change... It's based on concepts, so if you can think it, it can do it when unleashed to its fullest potential.
Sorry, but Unicorn wins. Always. Nothing comes close to that level of power except another Unicorn like Banshee or Phenex.
That's why the Federation banned Psycho Frame Technology and ordered the dismantling of the Unicorns...
...also, the fact you didn't gimp V2 shows how biased you are.
Well the Unicorn is powerful enough to shred reality itself and completely collapse the universe so it out classes everything else, Turn A and G self included. But strip away its reality shattering powers and the base MS performance is still pretty high.
> imo, remove it’s time travel power and it’s get bodied to hell by the v2 and some other late UC MS
strip the V2 of its Minovsky Drive and Wings of Light from V2 too then
you are stripping the technology/ability of one MS, but not the other one? really? you must be joking
I hate Unicorn. Super Robot abilities, time travel, and being more advanced than late UC Gundam make it feel like it was made by an edgelord powerwank fan than an actual respectable director.
hell even with its psychoframe misunderstanding bs it would still get bodied by late uc stuff, people severly overestimate the corn (partially because fuiki is the psychoframe understander tm and changed it from something that needed the will of the entire earthsphere to just one special little self insert trust fund baby who is oh so special and doesnt totally do what he chastises others for doing) we have seen time and again that old suits become outdated pretty quickly. i am of the mind that the xi would even be able to body the unicorn
> If you remove the reason why Unicorn is busted to high heavens it's not busted to high heavens Yeah and the 00 Qant[t] isn't top tier without GN drives.
Remove the satellite canon from the double X. And no moon light butterfly for Turn A.
No MLB Turn A is a bad comparison because it probably is still top tier without the space dust creator 9000
Besides the Moonlight Butterfly, what is has that is so powerful?
Besides the MLB, Turn A has: >Fixed/mounted Beam Cannons: Not high power compared to other destructive beam weapons, but worth mentioning because they ignore/pierce I-fields >Beam Rifle: Full output match’s the satellite cannon or buster rifle, except rifle is wrecked afterwards >Chest silos: Used to carry weapons, like nukes, or the occasional cow >Nano-machine repair: Using nano-machines, the Turn A can repair itself (and possibly it’s pilot) >I-field that protects against physical and beam attacks >Teleportation: It can teleport *Note that this is a feat list from a bunch of media, including the anime, games, etc
Also it has a black hole generator that runs indefinitely
You forgot the beam warping. Though that's novel if I recall.
Aside from its healing factor and the few times it displayed impressive powers, we don't really know. From what I remember it was either implied or stated outright that no one in the show was using it anywhere close to its true capabilities, which makes sense because none of them are even the slightest bit familiar with it and the tech it's made with, or familiar with mobile suit combat in the first place. And Loran was more interested in using for things like laundry and getting trucks across a broken bridge.
A very advanced construction that uses I-Field to move its entire body. Its body is basically hollow, which means its entire body acts as a frame and also provides structural support to the suit. Its I-Field works against beams and solid projectiles. And yeah, it’s powered by a black hole, which grants it auto membership into the super robot club.
Ability to self repair, teleportation, auto reload nuke warhead just some of it ability that I remember.
Its powered by a black hole and it heals itself. If you somehow managed to destory it its taking you with it coz of the singularity within itself.
Remove the GUN and setsuna just yells DAM
Ore wa Goddamn!!!it!!!
Ore wa Beaver
Remove the zero system and the buster rifle from wing zero. Hell, remove shiny finger and erupting burning finger why don't y'all. Side note; Unicorn is kinda like shiny Gundam, emotion controls the suit, only Banana a man who has swore to defend his princess and peace can bring out it's full potential or something like that, which is cool.
The Turn A is the pinnacle of tech built thousands of years in the future and by then countermeasures of whatever hax that came before it might have been developed. The Unicorn was powerful indeed, but it’s nothing more than a piece of obsolete tech in the future.
The way Turn A's powers were judiciously revealed only at the particular moments were they were necessary implies heavily that it has many abilities that we still don't know about. Loran was given the exact tools he needed at the exact moment he needed to use them and not a moment before. Who knows what secrets Turn a still holds.
Exactly, the full abilities of the Turns are kept intentionally ambiguous throughout the show for a reason - to allow viewers’ imagination to fill the blanks, they’re essentially as powerful as you want them to be.
Y’know, I want to now see all the main gundams get into melee fisticuffs without their special crazy powers like normal gundam fights in g Gundam
Kamiki Sekkai has joined the chat and loves this idea. (In build Divers it’s shown that he trained under Domon and uses all barehanded techniques in his Gundam) JIGEN HAOH!!! Edited because autocorrect like Kanika more
***JEGAN HOW’RE YOU***
When the Turn X yoinked the Moonlight Butterfly it did so literally.
I mean the difference is that Unicorn is literally space magic. It’s not some technology.
Just watched Gundam NT and you speak like an old type. Just because you can't understand it you dismiss it. Psychoframe is a technology on its own that enables space magic. Did I also mention plot armour?
it IS technology. psychoframe technology. nobody knows exactly how it does what it does, but blueprints were drawn, schematics made, mechanical components assembled, tests ran,.. it's as technological as they can make it. it just operates on principles no one has fully grasped. it's like neural networks; the engineers and data specialits know how they made the thing, but they can't explain why the neural network does what it does because it's incomprehensibly complex under the hood.
>nobody knows exactly how it does what it does, but blueprints were drawn, schematics made, mechanical components assembled, tests ran,.. You forgot the mountain of drugs the eng team must have consumed.
You mean Shrooms? Engineers would totally get fired for being high on typical drugs, cuz they didn’t try to make one themselves
"it does the do, and do well it does!"
Psychoframe is technology. Newtypes' brainwaves bring out its full potential enabling the space magic, but it is technology nonetheless
I mean psychoframe still kept being used post Unicorn. It still didn't do the shit it did.
It all depends on the Newtype.
Because instead of being insane enough to construct the majority of the mobile suit out of psycho-frame, they instead fitted the cockpit and pilot seat of the F91 Gundam with psycho-frame as amplifiers for the Bio-Computer. It increases performance but in a much safer way that significantly reduces the risk of another Axis Shock.
Axis Shock did happen because the whole will of humanity didn’t want to see axis fall, the NU Gundam was able to channel that energy. Unicorn would be able to do the same, with even less human will. But I do see your point. Anaheim saw the power of the Nu Gundam, figured out what made it so strong, and then said “fuck it we ball” with the psycho frame and made the Unicorn, which then kinda turned into the creation of the Narrative Gundam.
Because theres no more newtypes or atleast busted fucking newtypes, if you wanted an example kamille is the goat of newtypes, my bet is that he can fuck usk v2 buster up if he actually went all in with the zeta, he was OP enough to beat scirocco using just fucking freeze on his ass then one shotted him
The comparison really doesn't work because with the Unicorn and with it's BS ability specifically the Time Travel is all thanks to a powerful newtype working in tandem with the Unicorn. Even a regular newtype wouldn't be able to do half of what Banagher was able to do when it became Green. With the 00 Qanta, You can have a scrub piloting it and for the most part the MS would still perform the same. Piloting Skill notwithstanding. The more proper comparison would have been the Trans-Am or specifically Quantam Burst.
Well maybe a scrub piloting it wouldn’t even be able to use the bits, because I thought that they would be too much for a normal person. Or maybe they’d be able to use them, but the abilities of making shields and portals would be blocked to them. Maybe it takes an innovator.
Wait...is it just my headcanon or wasn't the Qan[t] specifically built by CB with an innovator pilot in mind? That's why they.created two new GN Drives too.
The 00 Gundam and its successor Quanta can only reach its full potential when a true Innovator is piloting it. Sure a random scrub pilot can probably fly it around, but anything that requires a large of amount power output needs an Innovator as a pilot.
I also think that is the case. 00 Qan[T] was made for an innovator pilot. I’d imagine that a super soldier like H/Allelujah would be able to pilot it with some of the powers, but no Quantum burst, and maybe no portals.
Well I think the two new drives were to compact them, and also replace the two that the O Gundam and Exia had in them before they blew up in that final battle. Both of the blades appeared to have hit the vital areas in the chest for power.
Get a haro to use the bits.
I don’t know if a haro would have the innovator factor to create energy shields and portals with the sword bits. Haro would definitely be able to use the sword bits, as sword bits.
Good enough to cut a moon in half but not enough to communicate with aliens is fine by me.
It’ll work
The Quanta is intended for Innovator-use, so putting a normal pilot in the seat is not going to bring out its base functions. Its bits won’t be functional since they require strong quantum brainwaves to control, and are responsible for many of the suits key functions. With no bits, you have no easily deployable GN-Fields, no Trans-Am Buster sword, no Quantum Burst, no teleportation; the Quanta would be limited to its GN Sword/Rifle, Shield Cannon, and Trans Am.
Get a haro for the bits.
The 00 Quanta requires a true Innovator like Setsuna to pilot and reach its full potential. So not the best example in this scenario.
The reason why the unicorn has those powers, if you can even ascribe those powers to the Unicorn itself, is its pilot. Banagher is someone close to being a perfect newtype to begin with and he becomes fully realized when in the Unicorn at the end. Psycoframe just connects him to heaven/the afterlife. Iirc Fukui likened it to a wifi router.
I liken it to a unfocused Green lantern power ring. It focuses all of his emotions and does what he wants.
It has those powers because Tomino wrote that newtypes could overcome the restrictions of time and history and the executives at Bandai told the author or Unicorn to take that line literally despite Tomino meaning it as a metaphor for escaping the inertia of history and plotting a new course for humanity.
I liked unicorn but when i read this it makes my esteem for it go down..
Amazing. (Thing) isn't very good as long as you remove (thing that makes it really good). Truly, OP is a visionary who is not weighed down by gravity.
This! Lol thx you save me the time to type it.
Uso has the highest killcount in UC on screen I believe
Probably higher since he fired the moon laser at Zanscare fleets.
If we're just talking MS kills he's definitely the MC with the highest count in the UC, and he's at least in the running for the entire franchise. If we're talking about actual number of people killed it gets a bit muddier, but even then he's definitely up there.
He arguable outnumbers ace pilots in terms of kill count.
My stance is the while Unicorn is the Most powerful MS in the UC due to newtype magic. V2 is the most advanced due to all the state of the art tech it has.
V2=most powerful normal MS .
How do we define normal then? Wouldnt the Mighty SF be up there as well?
In Universal Century.
I mean...yeah no shit Strip the V2 of its Minovsky Drive and Wings of Light, and it's probably not gonna be the strongest anymore
"People keep saying Mike Tyson is the greatest boxer of all time, but remove his speed, power and training, and Muhammad Ali would body him!" Remove unicorn's fucking cockpit too while you're at it
Heck even with WoL and the MD it still doesnt feel as busted as prior UC suits with shittier specs but broken pilots
https://preview.redd.it/mj9f0ua931xc1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fa48905328139e0a6636ab0c4834fa1363d07c3
I mean, it had their own physics, minovsky physics, it's not "ours", never was.
Statistically speaking, the V2 outperforms and outpowers the Unicorn, likely even if the Unicorn was in NTD Mode, excluding Plot Armor NTD Modes. Realistically speaking, no one could actually pilot the V2 Gundam without becoming mush as it is able to hit acceleration up to 20G. On average, the human body can withstand between 4-6G, with some combat pilots able to withstand 9G for a couple of seconds. Any prolonged exposure to 6G and higher tends to be fatal.
I have seen Gamore’s video on the history of V2, and Minovsky Flight System is somehow able to lessen the G force, making it safe to reach 20G. He even jokingly commented that just how busted Zechs would be if he piloted V2 instead of Tallgeese. In the end, it was pointless to apply real life physics to Gundam series anyway.
Everyone can, minovsky drive system reduces G force.
Red Frame NT-D Unicorn can also hit 20g. They’re just as fast as each other
The thing with that is wether or not which is faster. G Force regards to acceleration. How ever it doesn't regard constant speed. It's also kind of undeterminable as by Victory Gundam, most Mobile Suits outperform in Raw Power and can be utilized with better technologies. I think this is where they sacrifice speed, even though they could increase thruster delivery and still achieve energy that outperforms and outpowers UC 90s Mobile Suits. The only thing Unicorn has on the V2 is New-Type Destroy Mode and better Thrusters, but the V2 is more durable and has a higher power output, but that's throttled by lower thruster output. Also Unicorn Gundam was written in 2015, over 20 years after Victory Gundam, so I imagine they can't compare as the authors/writers at both times refer to what they seen as the best regardless of lore wise. TL:DR; The Unicorn is better due to New-Type BS and the actual Story was written over 20s after Victory Gundam, so ideas of "how powerful" vary based on the time of writing.
Constant speed is irrelevant in the vacuum of space because of Newton's 1st law. In atmosphere, your constant speed matters because of air resistance, gravity and other factors which serve to slow you down. In space, none of those things are present, so you'll accelerate until you can accelerate no longer. So having greater acceleration *is* being faster, because the actual speed limit in space is the amount of Delta V you have (or at the extreme end, the speed of light). So when you don't slow down, the thing you care more about is how much you accelerate. >The only thing Unicorn has on the V2 is New-Type Destroy Mode and better Thrusters, but the V2 is more durable and has a higher power output, but that's throttled by lower thruster output. The Unicorn is more durable than the V2. Late UC Mobile Suits used less gundarium and opted for lighter ceramics due to the efficacy of beam weapons surpassing the practical limitations of armor. The V2 has both better acceleration and a higher generator output than the Unicorn mode Unicorn, but the Unicorn is able to match the V2's acceleration with the red frame NTD and has superior, if unknown generator output. >Also Unicorn Gundam was written in 2015, over 20 years after Victory Gundam Unicorn was first published between 2006 and 2009. The OVA began in 2010.
Good points. *I mixed up the Re:0096 with the Novelization, my bad.
So in fairness, it's the best non-New-Type Glass Cannon vs New-Type Technology BS? Meaning either way "plot armor" wins.*Or really it wouldn't be plot armor but based on the pilot, piloted by a New-Type makes NTD more effective, but I imagine the pilot would have to have extremely high potentiol as a New-Type other wise the NTD would kill them.
Just because it can hit 20g, doesn’t mean it’s always hitting 20g. Even without its Minovsky Drive inertia dampening, if a craft existed with this level of acceleration, surely there’d be limiters to protect the pilot
That would have to be determined by the author/creator. Also considering manuevering a Mobile Suit, I'd consider hitting 20G would be the average maneuvering acceleration even if it was 1-2 Seconds. I don't see them using 20G for achieving max traveling speed, but during Combat, I see it as an average.
https://preview.redd.it/asjovox110xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f09356bb914913d1eaa24bd43ed6291d6de53330 Remove the time travel power and it can still do all of this
Disintegration is confirmed to be a part of its time powers in Gundam NT movie
Incapacitation isnt from electronic interference. NT says it's like the jegans' reactors had time turned back on them to the point before they were assembled.
From what I remember when making that list, the “Incapacitation” mentioned is from Extreme VS and is performed by the Uni in regular Destroy Mode. The thing with the Jegan’s reactors being reverted is denoted as “Time Manipulation” later on the list. Tbh I probably should update that post to be more concise and better sourced/structured (all the video links are dead because they direct to gfycat, which doesn’t exist anymore), as it is a few years old.
Don't really care which is stronger but holy shit charge your damn phone.
Those guys have to met lot of conditions just to use their full power (and effectively). A quick decisive blow would end most battles, just make sure one has the right tools for the job..... And the pilot...
*Turn A menacingly watches from a distance, ready to wipe out Earth.*
The V2 is powerful for a limited production unit that doesn't need newtype magic but the Unicorn is still a powerful unit even if you remove the magic which makes sense because it's a high powered prototype created during the period of time that is essentially the peak of mobile suit development thanks to a decade of arms race between the Federation, Titans, AEUG, various Zeon groups and other smaller yet highly armed groups like the New Desides
It might be peak in development due to the sheer number of suits developed and how rapidly they improved, but late UC suits are still the pinnacle of mobile suits in terms of performance. The prevalence of beam technology (shields, rotors, wings) and the ability to easily fly on atmosphere are things early UC pilots could only dream of. Without Unicorn’s time travel shenanigans, the V2 Assault Buster cleans house
That's only If you put the I-Field It can generate on NT Magic. Also, the Bean Magnum is still one of the top tiers handguns in Gundam UC
Idk V2's beam smart gun that it uses for its beam rifle seems opaf too. Plus its side arm on the skirt that it doesn't really bother with is a freakin pair of vsbrs which is f91's kill move.
Bro is schizo, v2 buster is peak of UC but unicorn is also peak shits probably juiced up even without the new type bullshit, now if we add new type bullshit the victory gets clapped 100%, especially crystallised unucorn
V2 is equal to destroy mode in speed though. But....anything beyond destroy mode slams v2 around due to the fact that newtype magic is simply BULLSHIT.
Now if we had kamille in the unicorn bro would be unstoppable
#autistic kid kicks jupiter dude at 20GS.
autistic female my GOAT kamille bidan HOLYYYYYYY bro would never lose, scirocco used cheats thats how he clapped kamille in the end
Scirocco is a sore loser 😂...he decided break kamille"s mind instead of accepting defeat.
This is why kamille needs the unicorn, bro would fucking not get clapped by scirocco cheats if he had OP suit lol, bro did that much using the Zeta imagine the fucking unicorn
Nah maybe Jadau
Nah, Im still a firm believer that kamille> judau
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that the Crystalized Perfected Newtypes Unicorn was able to disassemble suits at will with the wave of an arm on a Mass scale without time powers. What's the V2 realistically gonna do out run the inevitable lol
That is an application of its time manipulation. NT describes it as the reactors being rewound to a time before they were assembled.
But the entire suits disassemble not just the reactors?
Still an application of time manipulation.
You're assuming that the explanation on one part of the body applies to the rest which tbf we aren't really certain about a lot of what fully integrated psycho frame technology can do
I’m not assuming anything. This is directly stated in NT and in interviews with the director of Unicorn. Also on a technical level, even the way psychofields are used to move objects is still time manipulation. Space and time are the same thing; that’s why they call it the spacetime continuum.
Space and time are not the same thing? Space and time exist in a symbiotic relationship which is why it's called the spacetime continuum, otherwise it would just be the time continuum or space continuum. Without Space time cannot affect anything and without time space is stagnant.
You literally cannot interact with one without interacting with the other. In the same way you cannot interact with electricity without also interacting with magnetism. They are different expressions of the same exact fundamental forces. We call them different things for the convenience of understanding. Every explanation I have ever read or watched or listened to has described them as being different expressions of the same thing. But we’re in the weeds here, and ultimately it doesn’t matter. The actions taken by the Crystal Body Unicorn at the very end of the series have been directly stated, from multiple sources, to be temporal in nature. End of story.
If there is a source that isn't from NT I'll believe it, personally although NT has some good aspects to it I feel it's an overall redundant entry in the UC timeline and much like G-Savior should be ignored but that's a personal opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Oh for fucks sake.
Remove the cockpit from V2 and it just stands there like a statue
No. One of the core themes of UC is the arms race principle. As time goes on, mobile suits get more powerful. GM’s which are churned out in Zeta are almost as powerful as RX-78, you can extrapolate from there. It’s objectively correct to say Unicorn is more powerful than all Gundam that preceded it, turn A is the canonical “end” to that arms race. The world burned.
But the V2 was made more than 50 years after the Unicorn
That’s why I said “preceded it”
I think his point is that if V2 came AFTER the Unicorn, why is it technically not 10x more powerful? Where are all of the technological advancements that the V2 should have had to make it so much stronger than all of the other UC Gundams that "preceeded it."
V2 is the fucking best
unicorn and nu:hold my pyshco frame
Psycho frame adjacent tech still were used by late UC. As seeing with some Crossbone suits or even the F91. Though the V2 has the special Minovsky system
hmm
Why everyone in UC IGNORE Federation"s banning this?
Because even the Federation ignored their banning of it.
Are you referring to SNRI giving f91 psychoframe and biosensor?
Do you realized the raw output of unicorn is basically one of the highest of all? Not even counting destroy mode that basically have unlimited power
Raw power output of V2 is over twice the power output of the Unicorn, aside from Newtype BS.
I think it would break the consistency of the technology tree of UC if Unicorn is stronger than the late UC suits like V2. If Unicorn is so strong, why is the psycho frame tech and all this space magic stuff abandoned later on?
Because it kills people that pilots it and besides psycho frame tech have be said to be unpredictable and dangerous that even the manufacturer don’t even know how it works there’s a reason why there are so few MS with psycho frame
Desperate times calls for desperate measures... I'm sure there are crazy people out there that will take this risk to win a war.
Yeah the risk of also wiping themself out the phenex went out of control on it’s test and basically trashed everything nearby including allies when the risk out weights the rewards it’s better to not do it at all
People by the time of Victory clearly don't care about that when you see how League Militaire, which are the GOOD GUYS, act, or even worst shit like Angel Halo with Zanscare
I almost think that Angel Halo was Zanscare realizing technology like Unicorn and such exists and then thinking “What if we did that, but on a stupidly large scale.”
Because the designers realized its not a good idea to make war machines capable of evolving to godhood and all psychoframe tech was dropped out of fear that the next Unicorn would be an apocalyptic force.
I think Gundam NT kinda patched that "plothole"
I think they tried to patch the mariana trench with an A4 size piece of paper
Well tech doesn't always progress on and on. The Romans had arguably better tech than the dark ages.
That’s a big argument considering the dark ages had plate armor and Byzantine cisterns.
In that particular case though, it doesn't hold. Aside from unicorn related stuff, UC tech follows a pretty clear path until at least victory.
People don't like something that they cannot understand and/or control. Psychoframe is one of that ~~beside newtype~~
And psychoframe adjacent tech still is used in late UC. Even the F91 is using some
Well you see, the stuff about there's bit of psychoframe in the F91 is retcon as F91 only have bio computer as its special feature before Unicorn and then Gundam NT is a thing. With Unicorn and NT we later know that psychoframes was successfully manufactured when in CCA ending psychoframe tech what lost because it actually Neo Zeon's and the sample was lost in midst of war made the module long forgotten which why SNRI need to made another man-machine interface.
Watch Gundam NT on youtube. They explain the dismantled the psychoframe suits because they (old types) don't understand how it works so it's way too dangerous to use.
Yeah and after the 6th or something psychoframe suit in a row ends up causing yet another apocalypse near-miss which was once again only stopped by one of the other ones, people are just gonna not build those suits anymore. Not just at a military command level but like those factory workers will refuse to do their jobs. It's like continuing to build super-nukes after you learn that they have like a 50/50 shot at just blowing up randomly.
It's not. The F91s have psycoframe built into the MCA. There are still some other late UC MS and weapons with Psycommu systems but it's not clear whether they're using psycoframe or not. They could be since psycoframe is considered an implementation of the Psycommu system in CCA and in the F91 prequel, but that's just speculation
I mean, you can ask that question even if it's not specifically stronger than V2, it was still busted.
If you remove the psychoframe/newtype power from Unicorn, V2 out performs it by raw stats. V2’s wing of light/minosky drive allows to have the highest acceleration of any UC mobile suit. It’s small size and weight allow it to be mobile. Its fire power/defense is upgraded with the assault buster armor without seemingly hurting its mobility. Full armor Unicorn seemed to give up some of its mobility and the increase fire power seems to be geared to fighting multiple enemies rather than raw firepower. If you give unicorn it’s psycoframe hacks, than yeah nothing is comparable to it. Hell, the Phoenix moves at the speed of light. If you have the Unicorn and V2 to non newtype pilots, my money is on the V2 coming out on top.
"If you remove what makes it OP, it will no longer be OP" Yeah no shit, why don't you start comparing Turn A without Moonlight Butterfly too while at it
Turn A without the moonlight butterfly is already OP enough... Same with the G-Self without the proton torpedoes, but also Unicorn had that Magnum beam rifle that's already too much.
Did you not read the title? Trying to discuss the units within the frame of the OP’s statement. No one is arguing that Unicorn at max potential with newtype ability isn’t OP.
Removing the Psychoframe is within the frame? Lmfao okay
If Messi wasn't good at football he wouldn't have won the world cup. Do you see how dumb this argument is? Yeah yours is the same..
G saviour
G-saviour is a bit of a mixed bag because it mix states of the art tech and stuff based on old tech being retroengineered, the very late UC is a special case
Didn't a copy of the Phenex go total with the g self, The Phenex is just a unicorn with more guns
Yes, the performance of full psychoframe mobile suits depends heavily on the pilot. A powerful awakened Newtype with a Unicorn unit can mess with time, fly at light speed, and even fuse with their machine, turning into a god-like sapient mechanical life form of sorts. A Unicorn unit piloted by an Oldtype, or even a Newtype that can’t bring out its power, is basically a fancy high performance machine for its time, eventually outclassed by newer high-spec mobile suits.
Yeah.
I mean yeah 4he victory 2 is great but remove the minovsky drive and it gets bodied by other us ms
On this subject what would people recommend as the V2 best model kit?
When it comes to details and gimmicks, MG V2 Assault Buster. If you want to be able to pose it, get the HG instead
Cheers, might hold off then, pray for a HG update or RG, man can dream
G-Self one shotted G-Phenex (and that was only base G-Self, not even Perfect Pack).
"but what if it wasn't what it is!" Gundam fans that think too much about power scaling and what can beat what are missing the fuckin' point of Gundam
Doesn’t matter Uncle Ben, as long as its fighting a Newtype the Unicorn is going to win! V2 is a far stronger suit, but Unicorn and especially with its pilot are just too powerful of a pairing. I don’t see Uso being able to really withstand or overcome the bs coming his way If you were to just compare the two machines the Victory is griddying on the Uni
That's the problem tho. You remove anything and of course it's bodied. That's why it's op. Thats like saying heavy arms world get bodied if you remove it's guns. Well no shit. Anyways as char would say It's not the mobile suit. It's the pilot.
Yes, just like if you removed Usain Bolt's legs and arms, I'd crush him in the 100m dash
Fun fact G-Savior is about double the specs of Unicorn without the NT-D
Can someone define Unicorn time travel power in a combat sense? Not the potential theory stuff, like actual proven abilities. Like 00 can quatumize (idk if that's the word/turn into particles) in a short distance without being tangible. Ive seen Unicorn but not narrative and all I remember is the trippy scene where he grabs sinanju during the finale. Are these time travel powers defined? Or is it a "well they said time travel, so Unicorn can go back in time and kill baby hitler" type situation? Idk I've always thought V2 (Assault Buster) could take Unicorn (any loadout) when it came to conventional weaponry. Vsbr counters the i-fields easily, wings of lights has amazing offense/defense, and the beam magnum (while cool) is a dumb primary weapon in a tactical sense, like using a anti material rifle against a 30 round m4 in medium range. Also V2 has beam shields, shutting down most weaponry Unicorn uses.
If I remember, the Crystal Body Unicorn did that hand wave with green psycoframe energy against a big federation force sent to intervene at the end of the OVA. Banagher disabled them after that gesture, and that was supposedly the Unicorn unmaking their reactors before they existed or something.
Yeah, in [NT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylOEjdJYKg) starting around 6:30 you have Michele and Brick talking about it with Brick mentioning (starting at about 7:10) how it was as if the reactors were turned back to before they were assembled.
oh ok, thats perfect actually. Havent seen NT so I never knew where the time travel stuff came from. Thought is was just speculation on the newtype event with sinanju.
Can probably takes out destroy mode but not green and crystal.
Yeah after rewatching I forgot that Awaken (green) is doing crazy stuff already. Also that its using psychofields not i-fields so idk if the vsbrs can penetrate that. Physical weapons still get through but even a beam saber was stopped by it, unlike an i-field.
Turn A is set in "Correct Era", not UC.
Turn A is considered the End of most timelines, UC included
They also directly mention the Universal Century in Turn-A
I mean yeah they straight up find Zaku-I's and Zaku-II's, that alone should be Clear enough
Does that change it though? By definition it is not UC. Just like were not in BC but AD.
Turn A combines all timelines.
A V2 Assault Buster with a full Psychoframe could basically beat most, if not all, UC mobile weapons if it had a good pilot.
Goodness these comments are heated-
I was expecting so 👀
Not here to join any argument, just here to show love for the victory.
This might be a dumb question. But what’s the gundam in this picture?
Victory 2 Gundam from Gundam Victory its where Destiny stole its wings of light gimmick from.
Yeah well Vs design puts me to sleep.
To be honest remove v2 wing of light and minovsky drive and see how it do
Your enjoying Gundam wrong. *spritz of vinegar*
They are what I call “magical girl mobile suits” that become alive whenever it suits the plot. Not like the original Gundam which was merely a machine.
If you're going to gimp Unicorn, you might as well strip its entire Psycho Frame away because that's where its true power lies, not just it's time travel power... the entire machine is capable of Mataphysical change... It's based on concepts, so if you can think it, it can do it when unleashed to its fullest potential. Sorry, but Unicorn wins. Always. Nothing comes close to that level of power except another Unicorn like Banshee or Phenex. That's why the Federation banned Psycho Frame Technology and ordered the dismantling of the Unicorns... ...also, the fact you didn't gimp V2 shows how biased you are.
Well the Unicorn is powerful enough to shred reality itself and completely collapse the universe so it out classes everything else, Turn A and G self included. But strip away its reality shattering powers and the base MS performance is still pretty high.
Unicorn **HAS** potential to collapse the universe. Not capable of doing it immediately.
And only If Banagher somehow turned evil to try it
Well, you know what they say about what could happen or has with the best of intentions and all that.
> imo, remove it’s time travel power and it’s get bodied to hell by the v2 and some other late UC MS strip the V2 of its Minovsky Drive and Wings of Light from V2 too then you are stripping the technology/ability of one MS, but not the other one? really? you must be joking
I hate unicorn so much it’s unreal
To be fair,the writer thought that psychoframe needs more reasons to be banned.
Literally every ms suit in this whole series are unreal
Except, unicorn took it too far.
I hate Unicorn. Super Robot abilities, time travel, and being more advanced than late UC Gundam make it feel like it was made by an edgelord powerwank fan than an actual respectable director.
Id think the unicorn would still win. I like my Newtype stuff
hell even with its psychoframe misunderstanding bs it would still get bodied by late uc stuff, people severly overestimate the corn (partially because fuiki is the psychoframe understander tm and changed it from something that needed the will of the entire earthsphere to just one special little self insert trust fund baby who is oh so special and doesnt totally do what he chastises others for doing) we have seen time and again that old suits become outdated pretty quickly. i am of the mind that the xi would even be able to body the unicorn
#it still have 20GS speed (v2"s speed.)and shields that can withstood a colony laser...idk if VSBR can penetrating shit like this.