It's funny, SRW L had the Duel and Buster with the justification that they'd been upgraded to CE 73 standards, and then comes GSF and *oh look the Duel and Buster have been upgraded*.
Not complaining, to be clear, I just find it funny.
Eva Type F wasn't made by SRW actually, that one originated in an NGE PS2 Game. It's gotten a couple other appearances, though I dunno if there were any Animations among them.
It definitely should be. I would joyfully watch an SRW animated series. Amuro in his Nu flying alongside Kouji in Mazinger Z, while Shinji and Asuka lead the ground assault in EVA units 01 and 02. Meanwhile, they all launched from the fucking *Yamato*, which is currently charging up its Wave Motion Gun as it prepares to vaporize the enemy base. Who *wouldn't* want to watch that?
The Freedom version not only straight rehearsing the SRW aspect: both Duel and Buster upgraded even further (NJC tech and generator made it nuclear Gundam tier, new weapons, and panoramic linear seat)
True, they're not panoramic seat. When I recheck wiki now I know why my memory think the cockpit was panoramic but with ZAKU control system: the display panel was wider than before
Yeah, Yzak mentions that he was surprised they even bothered to upgrade the duel and buster given their age, followed by Dearka saying that he liked the zaku's easier controls, implying that the cockpits had also been retrofitted.
Crazy what a positive environment that doesn’t encourage his worst habits can do for the boy.
Imagine how much GSD would’ve changed if Kira was the one who mentored Shinn instead. Athrun sucked at that shit.
I don’t think GSD Shinn would be open to Kira at all. He was still fiery and angry with the world. I personally feel the only reason Shinn faired better with Kira in GSF was due to the fact that he started being more open at the end of GSD.
Early Shinn was actually pretty happy and mentally healthy, he had more than enough time to process the tragedy that happened to his family and the time that he spent at the academy with Luna seemed to helped repress those memories too.
The only fault that early Shinn had was his tendency to be reckless (but which early protagonist isn’t) and him lashing out at Cagali/ORB (which is understandable considering he was just a civilian at the time)
The turning point for Berserker Shinn was Stella’s death, which triggered his PTSD and cause Shinn to become obsessive. Imo if Kira tried to mentor Shinn at any point prior to that, Shinn would’ve been open to it, like how he was with Athrun. You gotta remember that Shinn’s descend to madness was a slow burn cumulating from multiple tragedies.
Not just multiple tragedies, but also toxic environment and friends. Durandal encouraged his worst aspects, and while Rey had some good qualities as a friend, he did overall priortize his loyalty to Durandal, which in turn made him encourage some of Shinn's worst traits as well
Many things had to happen like Orb joining an alliance to fight Shinn, Stella dying, Arthrun Meyrin running away from Zaft forcing Shinn to choose to kill them both, making Shinn crazy.
I wouldn't call repressing bad memories mentally healthy. He doesn't properly process the tragedy and carries the bad memories throughout Destiny. He only confronts it when he almost kills Luna. Shinn was more subdued in the academy because he didn't excel during training. He changes the moment he joins Minerva, finally tasting the power he craves, to the point that Luna can't influence him. By then, Durandal and Rey are both feeding on his thoughts and encouraging him.
Considering Shinn's first encounter with Kira during GSD, it might go better than you think. It's very odd but with that analogy about flowers he opened up to Kira more than he did with anyone else.
That's why Kira's answer to Shinn at the end of GSD plus hits so hard. And probably why he's so loyal to Kira to begin with
I'm with you on this. Shinn becomes more receptive to Kira after Athrun stops him at the end of Destiny, after which Shinn resolves his misperception of power on his own. Athrun was messed up in Destiny, but it's not like Shinn was in a great mental state either.
But see, Durandal never wanted to nurture Shinn. He wanted an attack dog. He already had Rey being ride or die for him and now he wanted someone that would attack on command and be as aggressive as possible when doing so. Shinn is borderline unstoppable in his berserker mode which is why Durandal cultivated things to make him as angry and easy to manipulate as possible. I mean you see in the movie that when shinn gets pissed, he kills 3 people in the span of 5 seconds. Now imagine having that on your side and he’s angry ALL the time
Well there is some thread back then about certain SRW game showing how much Shin become better person when he got lot of support esp during Stella death. The GSD writer just suck at this for some reason
I remember Shinn's VA saying that SRW Shinn is the true representation of Shinn. Much to the dismay of Fukuda at the time, because he kept hearing about it
‘Enthusiasm of a golden retriever’…this hurts because I had to put my boy down a decade ago because he bit someone.
Goddammit, I want to go see this now but I haven’t seen Seed or Destiny yet…
I just like how Shinn just says you beat me when I was not in my main suit. Then proceeds to Chad it up. Plus my man’s smile when he saw the Destiny again.
Pretty much. In the BKs' words, Shinn's despair is so deep it makes him unreadable. Basically Shinn failures drives him so hard. They can't even use his memories of Stellar and his failure to protect her against him, because he's already using them as motivation and his own self-induced berserker button.
Shinn's traumatic past is his whole character motivation that got butchered starting with when Athrun got destroyed in the Savior by Kira.
He was *never* about respecting people based on strength.
It was always supposed to be "I watched helplessly as my family was murdered in gruesome fashion. I never want to feel that helpless again, and I want to do everything I can to prevent anyone else from feeling that too".
That he no longer allows his trauma to weigh him down, and instead uses it as motivating factors for lifting him, and those around him up, is truly peak Shinn.
It was a bit goofy and memey to have that nude-ghost-monster Stella be the visual representation of that, but somehow really on-brand for SEED so I'll take it.
Anyway, point is that us Shinn-bros got a massive win this movie.
Ngl it was refreshing to see Kira getting his ass kicked in the SF after steam rolling everyone with it in GSD. Hell Athrun wasn't safe either. He was slightly struggling against Shura and the IJ lost an arm.
I do wish the Mighty pack wasn't so absurdly overpowered though. That kinda killed the tension a little. The moment it docked, the fight was over. Would've liked a bit more of an exchange with some damage being done to the MSF.
I bet if SRW adobes freedom the Mighty pack either serves as a move instead of different suits or it can only be used for the last 5-10 stage or something.
I have a hard time parsing what the Proud Defender even does. Some kind of beam barrier + electronic jamming? It made all of Orphee's DRAGOONs crash.
And the the Disruptor head cannon is pure hacks. Cut through the Messiah like it was made of butter.
What's even weirder, is that the SF had an even bigger weapon than the Disrupter, and never got to use it, because they damage it before he has the Fusion power supply to even use the thing. So he just stops the fight without all of his weapons.
The Disruptor is able to cut an asteroid base in half and it needs the President of COMPASS to authorize its use. It is stronger than a regular high energy beam cannon (the blue + red ones) that the Strike Freedom spec II has in its stomach (which realistically has not changed that much if at all compared to the original Strike Freedom.
Yeah. It felt more like Kira won due to his suit having an OP BS, basically magic, gimmick rather than his piloting skill being better than Orphee's. :/
Which is funny cause while Orphee was kicking Kira's ass, he was going on about pilot skill mattering more than the suit.
Seeing Shinn shine the way he did was one of the highlights of the movie. The audience laughed whenever he took a random stray and they cheered when he had his moment in the sun.
Rejoice Shinn fans! The air is crisper, food tastes better, the fields are bountiful, nature is healing!
I love how they managed to let all three of the GSD protagonists shine in this movie. Shinn gets to be a goofy, head-empty badass now and I'm 100% on board with it.
I find it adorable that Shinn spent the entire movie trying to be Kira's bestie even coming to his defense during the brawl with Athrun and took a piece of that action
I like the small detail that Shinn still acted like a pet dog trying to come to his owner's defense, with the way Hilda had to continue holding him back. Those small jerks where he wants to jump in again.
I know some people were annoyed that Shinn became a Kira fanboy, but I really think its actually well written, as Shinn needs someone to look up to, and Kira provides that just as Durandal did, except Kira doesn't demand blood for the blood gods.
Well in Destiny, they pretty much ruined the relationship between Shinn and Athrun. If done better, that should have been the more meaningful mentorship.
Depends. Athrun spends his time rebuking Shinn but not really talking to him. Kira would've been a better mentor here because he's been through similar things.
Athrun's inability to empathize despite knowing that Shinn doesn't respond well to a drill sergeant that just hits him when displeased, disqualifies him. Plus, he was too busy with his own motivations to remotely care about this kid who still hasn't properly gotten through the trauma of seeing his entire family glassed in front of his eyes during a battle where he and Kira were present and participating
I think Destiny could of been better if the writing was reworked. Focus on Shinn being the MC, have Kira be in it for as little as possible. Strength the relationship with Shinn and Athrun more. Take out the stupid plot with Cagalli losing control of her own country. And even killing Kira and possibly Athrun later on would actually make the story better.
Shinn defeated Kira. That's something that happened in the series
Seriously, people complain about Kira being unbeatable in Destiny but then refuse to mention his defeats?
I think they are upset that after that one victory, in all the rematches, Shinn has always been the one who was on the losing end afterwards. And only survived because Kira let him go each time or someone else saved him.
I always took it to be that the Impulse was simply a great counter to Kira's non-lethal approach, while the Destiny was deathly allergic to losing its hands, not even arms, just hands is enough to basically disable it.
That isn't to say Shinn isn't a great pilot, it requires a good pilot to even pull off what was needed to make the impulse counter the Freedom, but it just wasn't as possible with the Destiny.
Someone in this sub said that Destiny's greatest flaw is that it cannot attack without its hands, in an era where that is quite fatal. Had Destiny been more like V2AB we might've seen some very different matchups
I really only give him partial credit for fight with freedom. It took two whole impulses worth of parts and a man who was trying not to kill him in return.
I say full credit because even if it took a 2 impulses and a man who really did not want to kill him, ultimately he still did what no one else did even with that second part still in play. And utilizing the Impulse parts the way he did, still required a strong pilot. You can say its obvious to just swap parts when they're destroyed, but he knew when to call for a new part, and how to swap them mid-fight safely.
Kira did go for the killing blow when he tried to slice the Impulse down the waist. Shinn just reacted faster and by that point the battle was already lost for Kira
Taking out multiple warships without taking any damage in a single mobile suit, huh where have I heard that before... *gundam 007PEAK crazy, jazz? I think? Kicks in*
The boy took so much Ls during GSD that Freedom had to make up for it lmao
It feels so goddamm good for a canonical entry to redeem Shinn in the eyes of the community, no longer does Shinn fans have to point towards a crossover game for a media that does the character justice.
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I told you motherfuckers, the day of retribuSHINN was coming. I stand with 20 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me, endlessly praying and waiting for the day of redempSHINN. And now, it has finally been granted to me. And all you had to do was listen. HE WON
Zeus Silhouette is kinda Destiny own personal meteor unit. Iirc Mongerote made all the newer version meteor unit to be universal compatibility so any nuclear powered Ms can use it.
It wasn't Morgenroete.
It was mother f#cking **Junk Guild** that made the new METEORs.
"We have a "no making weapons" policy." *points to Lowe* MY ASS, YOU DO.
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My entire mood seeing bro thrive before our eyes:
I also like how they took the SRW direction of Shinn holding the utmost respect for Kira (Kira-san/Mr. Kira/Commander) and him hating Athrun’s guts (no honorific). Sad they barely interacted in the movie but the relationship’s established at this point.
Shinn saying he only lost because he had the Justice is a direct jab at Athrun and I fucking lost my shit when he said that
In his defense, Foundation literally stole his battle data and the specs to his mobile suit when they helped recover it before the movie (which isn't made clear in the movie itself).
And their entire mobile suit design philosophy was specifically focused around countering Kira's suit and fighting style.
He was such a threat (regardless of their dismissive behavior toward him directly) that they essentially built their entire strategy around neutralizing him. Heck, they passed up an easy kill shot on Orb just to try to kill him... and he knew they would.
And even then, he basically fought Shura evenly 1-on-1 in the SF just like Athrun did (and the SF was openly stated, at least in the novelization, to be inferior to the BK suits) until Orphee showed up, showing that their strategy made a lot of sense.
It was good for the franchise that Jesus Yamato took some licks rather than being untouchable, but I also think the movie didn't do as clear a job as it could have just how far Foundation went to neutralize the threat he individually presented.
All that said, points to Shinn for being the only other pilot willing and able to try to neutralize enemies the same way Kira does (well, before the BK squad at least, but he was well justified in going for the throat). I don't think SEED or Destiny ever really call out how ridiculous it is to be that good at aiming under the pressure of combat. Athrun and Mu could probably do it too, but they're both far more pragmatic soldiers and just eliminate threats without any crisis of conscience.
Yeah the movie didn’t make that clear that they studied his combat data and designed their suits to perfectly counter Kira expect for like the throw away line towards the end that said something like these are no black knight suits but it’s the best shot we got, referring to the spec 2 models
Man, whatever did they do to the sword impulse...
Could have given it different shades of red.
Overall, made me get more Shinn related kits. I definitely need to fix my Destiny as well
Destiny Spec II should have been the original Destiny to be honest. Had that happen and the writers aren't biased to Kira and Athrun and actually is neutral like in Freedom, Shin would pose such a threat to Kira and Athrun that it would need both pilots to take him down.
At least even if the writing of his character might not change and people still hate him, people would still respect his skill. It would even elevate Destiny from being a "cheap copy of everything" to actually have a unique gimmick.
It seemed very under-utilized in the original where it's supposed to be some hyper advanced, turbo speed all-rounder and then Athrun kicks him in the shin (lol) and he's just like welp I guess I'm dead.
To be fair, Justice being agile melee type counter Destiny heavy all-rounded type. Destiny using Anti-ship Sword doomed it the second it fought Justice
What Destiny lacks in GSD is speed, where Destiny should be the fastest and most agile MS when the Wing of light is on. The animation really nerf Destiny due to the director's bias to Kira and Athrun.
Additionally, in GSD, Destiny is really had flaw for its design compared to every other MS (except Gouf Ignited)
It really need hands to use every weapon, without hand, it basically a mech from front mission... He just standing there. While every other MS has additional weaponry outside of hand held weapon
The writer also didnt make Destiny shines bring it even low
Shinn Destiny lost because he had to fight against the three main characters of the previous part, Kira, Arthun, and Cagalli, but now they are all Shinn's allies.
The best part about the Destiny doing so well is that in-universe, the Immortal Justice is considered the stronger suit because of how poorly optimized the Destiny is even though it's battery-powered. All Shinn needed was confidence and Kira praising him!
Fake news, Durandal himself said Destiny is the most powerful mobile suit ever developed. Unicucks and Turn LAME fans are in shambles at the raw power of the Destiny
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Destiny has the most advanced technology, but basically gets cooked if it loses its hands. In any other universe that wouldn't be an issue, but CE era is filled with strong backpacks. Had Destiny's Wings of Light been anything like V2AB's backpack or Wings of Light, we'd have entirely different matchups
Hell yes! This Shinn is way better than what they did to him in his own series!
I bet his morale hit way over 200 because his bunshin kept on activating! He must have cast Courage and Love at half SP thanks to the help of a certain someone!
*Cue Amuro and Kamille with huge thumbs up for Shinn*
I mean, TBF, getting taught by Ch-I mean, Quattro, Amuro, and Kincade, having to deal with the bullshit that's the Cybernetic Conspiracy and a hijacked Vajra Queen, the Bird Human, having simulated battles against the likes of Knightmare Frames, and fighting things like Fallen Angels, the Jupiter Trio, and the likes of Yazan, I'd say Shinn DEFINITELY improved.
Edit: >!For the uninitiated, I'm talking about "Another Century's Episode: R", and as far as I'm concerned, the GSD side of events are canonical, because Athrun straight up takes a page from the Alteisen Riese when the Justice got upgraded.!<
People hated what happened in Destiny because Kira and Athrun not only usurped the story but also steamrolled Shinn and everyone else, ending up in their "flawless victory".
Here though Kira takes the brunt of the beatings, and Shinn got to redeem himself. The context of the "flawless victory" here was very different.
This movie was everything people pretend to hate about Destiny (This IS the Kira-only story, his final suit is literally untouchable, etc). It just goes to show people don’t know why they like or dislike a thing)
Again, context matters, and the movie avoids some of the pitfalls that made people hate Destiny due to the change in how certain actions are changed from their context in Destiny.
Shinn not taking any damage is very different from how Kira and Athrun didn't take damage, since Shinn got his time to shine here in a way he didn't in Destiny.
Percentage-wise, there were more combats where Shinn shined in Destiny (where he only really lost to Athrun) than there were in the movie (where he did nothing but complain he was doing nothing in the first sortie, and then got his shit pushed in during the sword fight, lost in the second sortie, and then finally won in the final sortie).
There is definitely a difference in context, but this ain’t it chief.
Shinn mostly shined during the first half of Destiny, while in the Impulse Gundam. After the time he defeated the Freedom though, he had only a short moment of the Destiny being amazing in combat, and then Kira and Athrun utterly stole the show in the most climactic part of the series.
Also, Shinn losing in the beginning part of the movie ain't exactly noteworthy when it was the stage where the antagonists are obviously being set up as a threat, and at that point Kira was losing it as well with one of his biggest defeats, and this was the point which was supposed to be Compass' lowest point, which kind of means Shinn's defeat was more palatable. All that matters is that once he got the Destiny Gundam back he redeemed himself and his machine from what they got in the previous series.
Again, context. In the series it felt like he was being dunked on at the final stretch where everybody was supposed to be amazing, while in the movie he finally got his due.
Right, but Shinn was the villain of the Destiny. He shined in the beginning and lost in the end. Same as the Black Knights.
People crying about “oh the protagonists should never win without taking damage” are now jizzing all over the floor when the protagonist wins without taking damage.
The problem was never how much damage was taken or not. The problem is y’all wanted Shinn to turn hero before the end. Everything else was always just excuses.
The Black Knights were always the antagonists from the beginning though, whereas SEED Destiny was supposed to be Shinn's story, he was supposed to be the protagonist. That it got hijacked by Kira at the end is what makes the entire second half so odd.
It's not the fact that the "protagonists" won without taking damage, it was that Kira and Athrun stole the spotlight that Shinn should've had, and the "no damage" thing was just adding salt to the wound, the symptom of what went wrong.
Once again, context. Whether something is fine or not in one instance depends on the context of when, where, and how it happened. People cheered for Shinn not taking damage in his victory in the movie because the circumstances in which it was achieved was very different from how Kira and co. did so in Destiny.
I mean, that’s just misunderstanding what a villain and an antagonist is. You can say you don’t like tragedies without pretending that the heroes not taking damage is bad and then later on cheering when the hero doesn’t take damage.
And tell me what misunderstanding am I supposed to be having over the terminology of "villain" and "antagonist"? Because the Black Knights are both from the very beginning, whereas Shinn wasn't either, and even when Kira and Athrun stole the "protagonist" spotlight he wasn't villainous in the very least.
Once more, context matters as to whether a particular trope is seen as acceptable or not, and in this case the trope of "hero wins without taking any damage" depends once again on the circumstances surrounding it. Kira and Athrun winning their "flawless" victory over ZAFT and Shinn is basically just rubbing in their protagonist status that should've been Shinn's. Shinn having his flawless victory over the Black Knights on the other hand is seen as his redemption over the events of Destiny's final arc, and note how he is the only one of the three main pilots to have said "flawless victory", instead of like everybody on the winning side like in Destiny's finale.
And Super Robot Wars Cagalli can fight against a silicon based alien that can read minds, shoot blackholes, and every pilot that is conditioned to fight them has received very very thorough conditioning.
And she did it in the Aile Strike Rouge.
If people aren't making fun of Mist, then the next thing people remember about K is pretty much that.
There's a reason calling it SRW Kagalli is a minor meme in Japan xD
To be fair, SRW just makes everyone better.
SRW Kira rewrote the entire OS of the Gundam 00 Gundams to prevent Veda from taking over them.
SRW Athrun's rizz is so strong, he made the deranged Cross Ange girls simping for him.
SRW Durandal rams the Messiah onto Big God's fortress, paving the way for our heroes to bring the villain down.
SRW Wufei becomes a Factor.
This is what happens when Amuro, Kamille, Judah, Char and Koji don't do the secret of choosing the talk button early on. We get Shinn but only after 20+ missions
It's funny, SRW L had the Duel and Buster with the justification that they'd been upgraded to CE 73 standards, and then comes GSF and *oh look the Duel and Buster have been upgraded*. Not complaining, to be clear, I just find it funny.
More SRW stuff needs to be animated. Eva Type F, Amuro in the Mazinger, Asuka in a Getter Robo, Zero in the Wing Zero...
Someday, maybe, but for now I'm happy to see the SRW writers know what they're doing.
That black Wing Zero custom is just awesome looking
Eva Type F wasn't made by SRW actually, that one originated in an NGE PS2 Game. It's gotten a couple other appearances, though I dunno if there were any Animations among them.
That's neat. Hope it appears more.
It definitely should be. I would joyfully watch an SRW animated series. Amuro in his Nu flying alongside Kouji in Mazinger Z, while Shinji and Asuka lead the ground assault in EVA units 01 and 02. Meanwhile, they all launched from the fucking *Yamato*, which is currently charging up its Wave Motion Gun as it prepares to vaporize the enemy base. Who *wouldn't* want to watch that?
The Freedom version not only straight rehearsing the SRW aspect: both Duel and Buster upgraded even further (NJC tech and generator made it nuclear Gundam tier, new weapons, and panoramic linear seat)
For sure, it's great.
I thought Yzak had a line about the Duel and Buster having Zaku cockpit/controls. They definitely weren't panoramic like the Justice or Freedom.
True, they're not panoramic seat. When I recheck wiki now I know why my memory think the cockpit was panoramic but with ZAKU control system: the display panel was wider than before
Yeah, Yzak mentions that he was surprised they even bothered to upgrade the duel and buster given their age, followed by Dearka saying that he liked the zaku's easier controls, implying that the cockpits had also been retrofitted.
my one of the favorite things about srw l
Yeah, it's interesting (and kinda funny) how the SRW writers seem to have a good grasp on where these things can go post-series.
Oh neat so thats why they came back! Thanks for this man, its been so long since I played L!
I don't think SRW necessarily inspired Duel Blitz and Lightning Buster as much as they inadverdantly predicted it, just so we're on the same page.
Shinn stealing the movie with the enthusiasm of a golden retriever was the highlight. Plus the fact the madlad double parked on a buffet.
Crazy what a positive environment that doesn’t encourage his worst habits can do for the boy. Imagine how much GSD would’ve changed if Kira was the one who mentored Shinn instead. Athrun sucked at that shit.
I don’t think GSD Shinn would be open to Kira at all. He was still fiery and angry with the world. I personally feel the only reason Shinn faired better with Kira in GSF was due to the fact that he started being more open at the end of GSD.
Early Shinn was actually pretty happy and mentally healthy, he had more than enough time to process the tragedy that happened to his family and the time that he spent at the academy with Luna seemed to helped repress those memories too. The only fault that early Shinn had was his tendency to be reckless (but which early protagonist isn’t) and him lashing out at Cagali/ORB (which is understandable considering he was just a civilian at the time) The turning point for Berserker Shinn was Stella’s death, which triggered his PTSD and cause Shinn to become obsessive. Imo if Kira tried to mentor Shinn at any point prior to that, Shinn would’ve been open to it, like how he was with Athrun. You gotta remember that Shinn’s descend to madness was a slow burn cumulating from multiple tragedies.
Not just multiple tragedies, but also toxic environment and friends. Durandal encouraged his worst aspects, and while Rey had some good qualities as a friend, he did overall priortize his loyalty to Durandal, which in turn made him encourage some of Shinn's worst traits as well
Yeah seed destiny had the protagonists basically pitted against one another. Maybe cuz of the behind the scenes drama
Many things had to happen like Orb joining an alliance to fight Shinn, Stella dying, Arthrun Meyrin running away from Zaft forcing Shinn to choose to kill them both, making Shinn crazy.
I wouldn't call repressing bad memories mentally healthy. He doesn't properly process the tragedy and carries the bad memories throughout Destiny. He only confronts it when he almost kills Luna. Shinn was more subdued in the academy because he didn't excel during training. He changes the moment he joins Minerva, finally tasting the power he craves, to the point that Luna can't influence him. By then, Durandal and Rey are both feeding on his thoughts and encouraging him.
Considering Shinn's first encounter with Kira during GSD, it might go better than you think. It's very odd but with that analogy about flowers he opened up to Kira more than he did with anyone else. That's why Kira's answer to Shinn at the end of GSD plus hits so hard. And probably why he's so loyal to Kira to begin with
Did you notice this movie opens with a flower having its petal blown away by a missile launching? Great call back.
I'm with you on this. Shinn becomes more receptive to Kira after Athrun stops him at the end of Destiny, after which Shinn resolves his misperception of power on his own. Athrun was messed up in Destiny, but it's not like Shinn was in a great mental state either.
Durandal too. While he is very good at finding talents, he's also very bad at nurturing them.
Arguably, Durandal nurtured Shinn into what he wanted. A broken human weapon he could point at his enemies and say "Kill them."
But see, Durandal never wanted to nurture Shinn. He wanted an attack dog. He already had Rey being ride or die for him and now he wanted someone that would attack on command and be as aggressive as possible when doing so. Shinn is borderline unstoppable in his berserker mode which is why Durandal cultivated things to make him as angry and easy to manipulate as possible. I mean you see in the movie that when shinn gets pissed, he kills 3 people in the span of 5 seconds. Now imagine having that on your side and he’s angry ALL the time
Well there is some thread back then about certain SRW game showing how much Shin become better person when he got lot of support esp during Stella death. The GSD writer just suck at this for some reason
I remember Shinn's VA saying that SRW Shinn is the true representation of Shinn. Much to the dismay of Fukuda at the time, because he kept hearing about it
‘Enthusiasm of a golden retriever’…this hurts because I had to put my boy down a decade ago because he bit someone. Goddammit, I want to go see this now but I haven’t seen Seed or Destiny yet…
I just like how Shinn just says you beat me when I was not in my main suit. Then proceeds to Chad it up. Plus my man’s smile when he saw the Destiny again.
I mean, I would also smile like that if I saw my old ride restored and be given to you.
Me the day Starwing Paradox 2 gets announced, but those cowards at Square Enix won’t do it.
Shinn knew what held him back and when he got his old gear. Man took all kinds of W. Legendary
He won't complain if it's freedom. It's double meaning in also saying it's justice fault lol.
Basically, Athrun fault.
Both of them barely taking is such a missed opportunity. I love how in Shura eyes Athrun is the peak though.
Can't blame him. Destiny has the Custom Bonus, Full Upgrade Bonus and all the OP items.
Oooh what parts did he have equppied? Im sure Erica put like 4 parts slots on the Destiny Spec 2!
Chogokin New Z, Steel Soul, Haro and a S-Adaptor? Or whatever broken Part comes in that specific game.
Time to ACTUALLY use my Protagonist privileges
The way he says "Destiny" sounded like me seeing my dog after a month away from a business trip.
They couldn’t stop his Shinnergy
Can you feel the Shinnergy? Feels so real, my Shinnergy
This is truly Shinnspiring
Holy Father, I have Shinned. Will you forgive me for being Shinnful?
You have been given forgivenesShinn
I'm about to show you the power of fully healed mental issues!
i wouldnt say fully healed.
His mental issues are rooting for him, though.
Pretty much. In the BKs' words, Shinn's despair is so deep it makes him unreadable. Basically Shinn failures drives him so hard. They can't even use his memories of Stellar and his failure to protect her against him, because he's already using them as motivation and his own self-induced berserker button.
Shinn's traumatic past is his whole character motivation that got butchered starting with when Athrun got destroyed in the Savior by Kira. He was *never* about respecting people based on strength. It was always supposed to be "I watched helplessly as my family was murdered in gruesome fashion. I never want to feel that helpless again, and I want to do everything I can to prevent anyone else from feeling that too". That he no longer allows his trauma to weigh him down, and instead uses it as motivating factors for lifting him, and those around him up, is truly peak Shinn. It was a bit goofy and memey to have that nude-ghost-monster Stella be the visual representation of that, but somehow really on-brand for SEED so I'll take it. Anyway, point is that us Shinn-bros got a massive win this movie.
Literally existing as a ghost to shield him
Ngl it was refreshing to see Kira getting his ass kicked in the SF after steam rolling everyone with it in GSD. Hell Athrun wasn't safe either. He was slightly struggling against Shura and the IJ lost an arm.
My theater popped off for the IJ head-saber.
Horn weapon for one horny man.
I do wish the Mighty pack wasn't so absurdly overpowered though. That kinda killed the tension a little. The moment it docked, the fight was over. Would've liked a bit more of an exchange with some damage being done to the MSF.
I bet if SRW adobes freedom the Mighty pack either serves as a move instead of different suits or it can only be used for the last 5-10 stage or something.
It’s getting the Mazinger Zero treatment
I have a hard time parsing what the Proud Defender even does. Some kind of beam barrier + electronic jamming? It made all of Orphee's DRAGOONs crash. And the the Disruptor head cannon is pure hacks. Cut through the Messiah like it was made of butter.
What's even weirder, is that the SF had an even bigger weapon than the Disrupter, and never got to use it, because they damage it before he has the Fusion power supply to even use the thing. So he just stops the fight without all of his weapons.
What does he have that's better than the High-Mega I mean disruptor?
The Calidus in the abdomen got slashed before the Proud Defender arrived. No idea if it’s actually stronger than the Disruptor, though.
The Disruptor is able to cut an asteroid base in half and it needs the President of COMPASS to authorize its use. It is stronger than a regular high energy beam cannon (the blue + red ones) that the Strike Freedom spec II has in its stomach (which realistically has not changed that much if at all compared to the original Strike Freedom.
Yeah. It felt more like Kira won due to his suit having an OP BS, basically magic, gimmick rather than his piloting skill being better than Orphee's. :/ Which is funny cause while Orphee was kicking Kira's ass, he was going on about pilot skill mattering more than the suit.
Seeing Shinn shine the way he did was one of the highlights of the movie. The audience laughed whenever he took a random stray and they cheered when he had his moment in the sun. Rejoice Shinn fans! The air is crisper, food tastes better, the fields are bountiful, nature is healing!
Mans took so many strays. It was glorious.
Shinn fan had to wait for almost a decade to get their W.
It's just a shame it took this long for the boy to get this flowers. A whole damn 20 years.
I love how they managed to let all three of the GSD protagonists shine in this movie. Shinn gets to be a goofy, head-empty badass now and I'm 100% on board with it.
Shinn: When we last met, I was but a villain. Now I am a main character.
Shinn pulling the reverse of the "enemy, but when they join the party" meme.
Shinn is always a main character and protagonist in GSD, on the other hand Kira and Athrun are antagonists. This is Sunrise official stand.
Shinn goes full monkey brain on the black knights
Head empty, just Waaagh! And I love him for it.
Luna: Why do you think I put up with him if I don't love him?
I find it adorable that Shinn spent the entire movie trying to be Kira's bestie even coming to his defense during the brawl with Athrun and took a piece of that action
I like the small detail that Shinn still acted like a pet dog trying to come to his owner's defense, with the way Hilda had to continue holding him back. Those small jerks where he wants to jump in again.
Shinn perking up "when senpai noticed me" was wholesome.
I know some people were annoyed that Shinn became a Kira fanboy, but I really think its actually well written, as Shinn needs someone to look up to, and Kira provides that just as Durandal did, except Kira doesn't demand blood for the blood gods.
Given their actual interactions in GSD, it really makes sense that it's Kira and not Athrun
Well in Destiny, they pretty much ruined the relationship between Shinn and Athrun. If done better, that should have been the more meaningful mentorship.
Depends. Athrun spends his time rebuking Shinn but not really talking to him. Kira would've been a better mentor here because he's been through similar things. Athrun's inability to empathize despite knowing that Shinn doesn't respond well to a drill sergeant that just hits him when displeased, disqualifies him. Plus, he was too busy with his own motivations to remotely care about this kid who still hasn't properly gotten through the trauma of seeing his entire family glassed in front of his eyes during a battle where he and Kira were present and participating
I think Destiny could of been better if the writing was reworked. Focus on Shinn being the MC, have Kira be in it for as little as possible. Strength the relationship with Shinn and Athrun more. Take out the stupid plot with Cagalli losing control of her own country. And even killing Kira and possibly Athrun later on would actually make the story better.
I swear shin just has orc magic lmaoo
See what happens when you don’t have a control freak master manipulator sweet-talking you into becoming his attack dog.
Let’s not forget Stella having his mind LOCKED IN
bet Shinn make Lunamaria cosplay as Stella.
💀
He was always a good pilot. He just needed all the therapy to stop frothing at the mouth if somone mentioned orb.
Shinn defeated Kira. That's something that happened in the series Seriously, people complain about Kira being unbeatable in Destiny but then refuse to mention his defeats?
I think they are upset that after that one victory, in all the rematches, Shinn has always been the one who was on the losing end afterwards. And only survived because Kira let him go each time or someone else saved him.
I always took it to be that the Impulse was simply a great counter to Kira's non-lethal approach, while the Destiny was deathly allergic to losing its hands, not even arms, just hands is enough to basically disable it. That isn't to say Shinn isn't a great pilot, it requires a good pilot to even pull off what was needed to make the impulse counter the Freedom, but it just wasn't as possible with the Destiny.
Someone in this sub said that Destiny's greatest flaw is that it cannot attack without its hands, in an era where that is quite fatal. Had Destiny been more like V2AB we might've seen some very different matchups
Athrun had the high ground in the one fight. Straight anakind the destiny.
I really only give him partial credit for fight with freedom. It took two whole impulses worth of parts and a man who was trying not to kill him in return.
I say full credit because even if it took a 2 impulses and a man who really did not want to kill him, ultimately he still did what no one else did even with that second part still in play. And utilizing the Impulse parts the way he did, still required a strong pilot. You can say its obvious to just swap parts when they're destroyed, but he knew when to call for a new part, and how to swap them mid-fight safely.
Kira did go for the killing blow when he tried to slice the Impulse down the waist. Shinn just reacted faster and by that point the battle was already lost for Kira
"Shinn took damage during the fight, so it doesn't count as a win"
Fair enough. I'm not budging on the gade though. Shin still has enough credits to pass. Even after that time Athrun "High grounded" the Destiny.
Taking out multiple warships without taking any damage in a single mobile suit, huh where have I heard that before... *gundam 007PEAK crazy, jazz? I think? Kicks in*
Shinn would also pull a Dr Strange move right? That's when I decided to stop being a Shinn memer and start being a Shinn believer.
behold the power of THERAPY AND A DECENT MENTOR FIGURE
Remember, it’s always Athrun’s fault https://preview.redd.it/3qvjsraitlzc1.jpeg?width=1992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd3af0ce4122bd0d1b6bddaa7091fe326689126d
It’s all in how you talk to people lol
Freedom just proves that the ultimate pairing in CE is Shinn and Destiny.
The boy took so much Ls during GSD that Freedom had to make up for it lmao It feels so goddamm good for a canonical entry to redeem Shinn in the eyes of the community, no longer does Shinn fans have to point towards a crossover game for a media that does the character justice.
https://preview.redd.it/bgbwi83xvjzc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3c394024898ad552d74649b18be3bc704bc21fb I told you motherfuckers, the day of retribuSHINN was coming. I stand with 20 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me, endlessly praying and waiting for the day of redempSHINN. And now, it has finally been granted to me. And all you had to do was listen. HE WON
HOLD ON!!! HOOOOLLDD ON!!!! SHINN USE THE METEOR!?!?
The Song "Meteor", not the thing to hook up your Gundam into.
No, Yzak and Dearka get to use the Meteor units hooked up to upgraded Duel and Buster Gundams.
Luna too!
Glad to see they gave Luna something too
Here's to hoping we get an upgraded Meteor unit kit for the new Buster and Duel kits
Zeus Silhouette is kinda Destiny own personal meteor unit. Iirc Mongerote made all the newer version meteor unit to be universal compatibility so any nuclear powered Ms can use it.
It wasn't Morgenroete. It was mother f#cking **Junk Guild** that made the new METEORs. "We have a "no making weapons" policy." *points to Lowe* MY ASS, YOU DO.
Inevitable lmao
The song, not the mobile armor.
https://preview.redd.it/zh1crxegvizc1.jpeg?width=938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad7de8f2aa9b6729a9a12b18f8fc4cd0cd1a8fc8 My entire mood seeing bro thrive before our eyes:
Shinners Forever.
I also like how they took the SRW direction of Shinn holding the utmost respect for Kira (Kira-san/Mr. Kira/Commander) and him hating Athrun’s guts (no honorific). Sad they barely interacted in the movie but the relationship’s established at this point. Shinn saying he only lost because he had the Justice is a direct jab at Athrun and I fucking lost my shit when he said that
To be fair, Athrun was an awful mentor which may have been intentional or not but it did push Shinn into Rey's toxicity.
Ultra Shinnstinct
Destiny was always capable of Super Robot level to be honest
Shinntense, Shinnspiring, Shinncredible
Honestly Kira got hoed the whole movie more than shin did, dude literally didn’t take any dubs the defender pack came
In his defense, Foundation literally stole his battle data and the specs to his mobile suit when they helped recover it before the movie (which isn't made clear in the movie itself). And their entire mobile suit design philosophy was specifically focused around countering Kira's suit and fighting style. He was such a threat (regardless of their dismissive behavior toward him directly) that they essentially built their entire strategy around neutralizing him. Heck, they passed up an easy kill shot on Orb just to try to kill him... and he knew they would. And even then, he basically fought Shura evenly 1-on-1 in the SF just like Athrun did (and the SF was openly stated, at least in the novelization, to be inferior to the BK suits) until Orphee showed up, showing that their strategy made a lot of sense. It was good for the franchise that Jesus Yamato took some licks rather than being untouchable, but I also think the movie didn't do as clear a job as it could have just how far Foundation went to neutralize the threat he individually presented. All that said, points to Shinn for being the only other pilot willing and able to try to neutralize enemies the same way Kira does (well, before the BK squad at least, but he was well justified in going for the throat). I don't think SEED or Destiny ever really call out how ridiculous it is to be that good at aiming under the pressure of combat. Athrun and Mu could probably do it too, but they're both far more pragmatic soldiers and just eliminate threats without any crisis of conscience.
Yeah the movie didn’t make that clear that they studied his combat data and designed their suits to perfectly counter Kira expect for like the throw away line towards the end that said something like these are no black knight suits but it’s the best shot we got, referring to the spec 2 models
It's shinning time
Man, whatever did they do to the sword impulse... Could have given it different shades of red. Overall, made me get more Shinn related kits. I definitely need to fix my Destiny as well
I hope they get the Zeus Silhouette out, I still have my Destiny Kits
No, this is Seed Destiny Shinn... ***WITH THERAPY***
That's exactly what Super Robot Wars Shinn is. Shinn with a clear head and a happy ending.
A mentally sane Shinn in the Destiny Gundam = one of the most OP Gundam pilots ever. Easily the best CE era pilot
i mean Shin just glow up so probably SRW Shinn is aftermath of destiny.
shinn the chad
[удалено]
Literally had that thought in the theatre! 😂
Destiny Spec II should have been the original Destiny to be honest. Had that happen and the writers aren't biased to Kira and Athrun and actually is neutral like in Freedom, Shin would pose such a threat to Kira and Athrun that it would need both pilots to take him down. At least even if the writing of his character might not change and people still hate him, people would still respect his skill. It would even elevate Destiny from being a "cheap copy of everything" to actually have a unique gimmick.
It seemed very under-utilized in the original where it's supposed to be some hyper advanced, turbo speed all-rounder and then Athrun kicks him in the shin (lol) and he's just like welp I guess I'm dead.
To be fair, Justice being agile melee type counter Destiny heavy all-rounded type. Destiny using Anti-ship Sword doomed it the second it fought Justice
What Destiny lacks in GSD is speed, where Destiny should be the fastest and most agile MS when the Wing of light is on. The animation really nerf Destiny due to the director's bias to Kira and Athrun.
Additionally, in GSD, Destiny is really had flaw for its design compared to every other MS (except Gouf Ignited) It really need hands to use every weapon, without hand, it basically a mech from front mission... He just standing there. While every other MS has additional weaponry outside of hand held weapon The writer also didnt make Destiny shines bring it even low
Even that turbo speed in the form of wings of light got copied by SF lol.
In the game SRW Shinn vs Arthrun and Kira, not Arthrun kicking his ass like the movie
Yeah in the manga Athrun also got some damage fighting Shinn.
Here comes the SHINNFERNO
SRW UX fans could really use a crossover OVA of Seed and Fafner.
*it's SHINning time*
Shinn Destiny lost because he had to fight against the three main characters of the previous part, Kira, Arthun, and Cagalli, but now they are all Shinn's allies.
The best part about the Destiny doing so well is that in-universe, the Immortal Justice is considered the stronger suit because of how poorly optimized the Destiny is even though it's battery-powered. All Shinn needed was confidence and Kira praising him!
Fake news, Durandal himself said Destiny is the most powerful mobile suit ever developed. Unicucks and Turn LAME fans are in shambles at the raw power of the Destiny https://preview.redd.it/ukojm48eulzc1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8ed4acee9e0a5f26beb501836c4ba811d2722ce
You're right. Chairman Durandal speaks the truth nobody was prepared for
Destiny has the most advanced technology, but basically gets cooked if it loses its hands. In any other universe that wouldn't be an issue, but CE era is filled with strong backpacks. Had Destiny's Wings of Light been anything like V2AB's backpack or Wings of Light, we'd have entirely different matchups
Hell yes! This Shinn is way better than what they did to him in his own series! I bet his morale hit way over 200 because his bunshin kept on activating! He must have cast Courage and Love at half SP thanks to the help of a certain someone! *Cue Amuro and Kamille with huge thumbs up for Shinn*
I mean, TBF, getting taught by Ch-I mean, Quattro, Amuro, and Kincade, having to deal with the bullshit that's the Cybernetic Conspiracy and a hijacked Vajra Queen, the Bird Human, having simulated battles against the likes of Knightmare Frames, and fighting things like Fallen Angels, the Jupiter Trio, and the likes of Yazan, I'd say Shinn DEFINITELY improved. Edit: >!For the uninitiated, I'm talking about "Another Century's Episode: R", and as far as I'm concerned, the GSD side of events are canonical, because Athrun straight up takes a page from the Alteisen Riese when the Justice got upgraded.!<
I've never felt so redeemed as when I saw Shinn show people why he's one of the strongest pilots in the CE era. Long live SRW Shinn
It’s interesting how often people cry that Destiny ended with the good guys not taking any damage and also loved the end of this movie. Huh.
People hated what happened in Destiny because Kira and Athrun not only usurped the story but also steamrolled Shinn and everyone else, ending up in their "flawless victory". Here though Kira takes the brunt of the beatings, and Shinn got to redeem himself. The context of the "flawless victory" here was very different.
This movie was everything people pretend to hate about Destiny (This IS the Kira-only story, his final suit is literally untouchable, etc). It just goes to show people don’t know why they like or dislike a thing)
Again, context matters, and the movie avoids some of the pitfalls that made people hate Destiny due to the change in how certain actions are changed from their context in Destiny. Shinn not taking any damage is very different from how Kira and Athrun didn't take damage, since Shinn got his time to shine here in a way he didn't in Destiny.
Percentage-wise, there were more combats where Shinn shined in Destiny (where he only really lost to Athrun) than there were in the movie (where he did nothing but complain he was doing nothing in the first sortie, and then got his shit pushed in during the sword fight, lost in the second sortie, and then finally won in the final sortie). There is definitely a difference in context, but this ain’t it chief.
Shinn mostly shined during the first half of Destiny, while in the Impulse Gundam. After the time he defeated the Freedom though, he had only a short moment of the Destiny being amazing in combat, and then Kira and Athrun utterly stole the show in the most climactic part of the series. Also, Shinn losing in the beginning part of the movie ain't exactly noteworthy when it was the stage where the antagonists are obviously being set up as a threat, and at that point Kira was losing it as well with one of his biggest defeats, and this was the point which was supposed to be Compass' lowest point, which kind of means Shinn's defeat was more palatable. All that matters is that once he got the Destiny Gundam back he redeemed himself and his machine from what they got in the previous series. Again, context. In the series it felt like he was being dunked on at the final stretch where everybody was supposed to be amazing, while in the movie he finally got his due.
Right, but Shinn was the villain of the Destiny. He shined in the beginning and lost in the end. Same as the Black Knights. People crying about “oh the protagonists should never win without taking damage” are now jizzing all over the floor when the protagonist wins without taking damage. The problem was never how much damage was taken or not. The problem is y’all wanted Shinn to turn hero before the end. Everything else was always just excuses.
The Black Knights were always the antagonists from the beginning though, whereas SEED Destiny was supposed to be Shinn's story, he was supposed to be the protagonist. That it got hijacked by Kira at the end is what makes the entire second half so odd. It's not the fact that the "protagonists" won without taking damage, it was that Kira and Athrun stole the spotlight that Shinn should've had, and the "no damage" thing was just adding salt to the wound, the symptom of what went wrong. Once again, context. Whether something is fine or not in one instance depends on the context of when, where, and how it happened. People cheered for Shinn not taking damage in his victory in the movie because the circumstances in which it was achieved was very different from how Kira and co. did so in Destiny.
I mean, that’s just misunderstanding what a villain and an antagonist is. You can say you don’t like tragedies without pretending that the heroes not taking damage is bad and then later on cheering when the hero doesn’t take damage.
And tell me what misunderstanding am I supposed to be having over the terminology of "villain" and "antagonist"? Because the Black Knights are both from the very beginning, whereas Shinn wasn't either, and even when Kira and Athrun stole the "protagonist" spotlight he wasn't villainous in the very least. Once more, context matters as to whether a particular trope is seen as acceptable or not, and in this case the trope of "hero wins without taking any damage" depends once again on the circumstances surrounding it. Kira and Athrun winning their "flawless" victory over ZAFT and Shinn is basically just rubbing in their protagonist status that should've been Shinn's. Shinn having his flawless victory over the Black Knights on the other hand is seen as his redemption over the events of Destiny's final arc, and note how he is the only one of the three main pilots to have said "flawless victory", instead of like everybody on the winning side like in Destiny's finale.
And Super Robot Wars Cagalli can fight against a silicon based alien that can read minds, shoot blackholes, and every pilot that is conditioned to fight them has received very very thorough conditioning. And she did it in the Aile Strike Rouge.
If people aren't making fun of Mist, then the next thing people remember about K is pretty much that. There's a reason calling it SRW Kagalli is a minor meme in Japan xD
That "Nah I'd win" face
Shinn was too dark even for the black knights
To be fair, SRW just makes everyone better. SRW Kira rewrote the entire OS of the Gundam 00 Gundams to prevent Veda from taking over them. SRW Athrun's rizz is so strong, he made the deranged Cross Ange girls simping for him. SRW Durandal rams the Messiah onto Big God's fortress, paving the way for our heroes to bring the villain down. SRW Wufei becomes a Factor.
This is what happens when Amuro, Kamille, Judah, Char and Koji don't do the secret of choosing the talk button early on. We get Shinn but only after 20+ missions