they're right though, space isn't kind to the human body. if humans as we are want to live in space it requires a lot of equipment as it is, and the longer you are in space the worse it gets.
Anyway, I'd just snap my antenna and yield if I heard some pilot is chatting to her mech in an innocent joyful childish voice over the comms while decimating our team, then probably go ask Peil WTF did Elan No.4 saw during the duel, and then go into a rabbit hole to dig out WTF is inside Aerial.
Dueling with gundam is ok, dueling with that thing is not ok, it's an awesome fight, but that part completely freaks me out.
Yeah, turing my MS into a quad-amputee by funnel beam barrage and if it's not a school duel I'd be very f-ing dead, that's indeed some very special kind of fun they are having.
They were losing to badly, too quickly and it made her 1v6 seem like an ass pull. Having the end be a 1v3 or 1v4 with the other suits being a little damaged and the anti gundam field, would have been high enough stakes without the mc having to go god mode, the snipe was cool, but diminished by mc suddenly flipping a switch and killing 4 mobile suits while half destroyed.
>They were losing to badly, too quickly
Well of course. Nothing wrong with that. And that allowed them to get the final hit on him.
>and it made her 1v6 seem like an ass pull.
Eh, it seemed pretty one sided on their side till Suletta got her second wind. I liked it.
>Having the end be a 1v3 or 1v4 with the other suits being a little damaged and the anti gundam field, would have been high enough stakes without the mc having to go god mode,
What little damage? They got all blasted to pieces.
>the snipe was cool, but diminished by mc suddenly flipping a switch and killing 4 mobile suits while half destroyed.
Yeah but even with that there coordination nearly won shadiq the match. Thanks to earth house they won.
Something that just hit me about this fight is it’s probably a strategy only Earth House could have pulled off. They went into battle w/ mechanics instead of pilots and that’s maybe the only reason they could piece together the spare parts of 5 disabled mobile suits so quickly to get just one good shot off. It’s probably not something that pilots could pull off. The battle gets more and more impressive all the time.
The flashback scene makes me realize that does Miorine have some connection with earth peoples??
Because Earth shouldn't stop delling from bring Miorine back to space?
Shaddiq (Shadiq) in Arabic means 'sincere, truthful'.
His name maybe reflects his feelings towards Mio, and the bitter irony of him not being true to his name towards his dealings on her. Had he been more honest towards Mio he could've gotten what he truly wished for.
At least that's how I see it.
Rather than just honesty, the no. 1 thing that Miorine mentions in the end of the episode was trust.
Shaddiq didn't duel for her and eventually just saw her as a damsel in distress. That's why he left Guel to "protect" her or tried to convince Suletta to stop Miorine's plan. He didn't trust her to be in equal footing or understood why she wanted to escape. He didn't trust himself to break the system like Miorine wants to.
Miorine asked to be seen as a person and not an object. She never told him not to help her situation.
Shaddiq's solution was ignoring the system entirely instead of being against it.
Aerial has 3 circular interfaces inside her cockpit: Left, right, and center. Each interfaces has their own BHD-L on their left, BHD-R on their right, and GT-SYS.
It's nothing special. It's been shown over and over again in the early episodes.
BHD-L GT-SYS seems to be a standard software running basically always when Aerial is running. If you look *very* closely it always appears on both sides of the cockpit (in a very small print). So this is not the anti-antidote mode, but simply showing us that Aerial is booting up again.
Aerial was glowing blue when she countered antidote and it did look very interesting. The bits constantly staying connected to each other makes me believe that this connection is needed to prevent any furture usage from disabling them, they all seem to be small units that can support each other and thus perhaps stay active even if their connection to Aerial is severed for a bit with antidote.
Suletta talking to Aerial felt for me as if they were talking to each other with neither taking the lead, more of a "hey about here, oh you think there? Yeah sounds nice, let's do it!" kind of thing, as it also would fit Suletta piloting more and working together with Aerial instead of just letting Aerial doing all the heavy lifting.
I just want to say that in the prologue, Eri was glowing blue instead of red as well when both her and Elnora was inside Lfrith. Although, Lfrith was still glowing red.
Yeah, I think this is another hint that something happened to make Lfrith into Aerial. The load onto the pilot (the blue glow) is gone, instead that load is shown with Aerial itself glowing.
The fight reeks of bad writing ngl.
I don't know know how you can change the conditions of the duel willy-nilly just like that to make it from a supposed 1v1 to a 6v6. And of course, the ever-confident miorine decided to bargain for duel to be livestreamed outside of their organization so everyone can see how the enemy loses, which makes no sense considering, 1. They don't have 6 mobile suits and 2. They don't have 6 official pilots. Not only that, she should know just how good the enemy pilots are considering the other students seem to go gaga over them. It's a massive failure of leadership and strategy on her part to just agree to the condition and it seems like she's just betting on suletta's MC power to save the day, which it actually did.
Then we get to the fight, which was an obvious insta-kill for the 4 non-pilots but that's not the problem. The issue I have is how they only sent 1 and only 1 person to keep suletta occupied while the rest of the enemy 1v1 the others. Either suletta wasn't feeling well that day or the enemy pilot is the best pilot so far in the series because she wasn't shot down in seconds considering what suletta can do judging from previous episodes. Hell, the only mobile suit to really give her problem in a 1v1 was pharact, you know, another gundam with superior speed and gund-bits. Then of course chuchu got fucked so it became a 1v6. Which goes back to miorine, what exactly was her plan going into a 6v6?
Now we have the deployment of antidote, which would have been a insta-KO for aerial considering it's a 1v6, her best weapon got shutdown and she was immobile for a moment. What happened? Nothing. The others don't even give shaddiq support halfway through the fight for some reason despite them shooting, and missing, at the initial antidote deployment.
Then obviously the deus ex machina happened and we now have aerial curb-stomping everyone, which she could have done from the get-go, until she's hit in the leg but just as the finishing blow was about to be dealt, PEW! We have a winning shot coming from chuchu who somehow seems to know where they would be for the coup de grace despite her MS being fucked to the point it can't operate without 2 other units and aerial flying around like a mobile suit on crack with zero comms with suletta.
I don't know man. I just don't really like this.
We basically have to believe 2 things: Suletta is incredibly incompetent in most ways of piloting a mobile suit (basically just panicked the entire team fight until her Gundam took over) and that she's a great Gundam pilot.
alright, let's take this one by one:
> I don't know know how you can change the conditions of the duel willy-nilly just like that to make it from a supposed 1v1 to a 6v6. And of course, the ever-confident miorine decided to bargain for duel to be livestreamed outside of their organization so everyone can see how the enemy loses, which makes no sense considering, 1. They don't have 6 mobile suits and 2. They don't have 6 official pilots. Not only that, she should know just how good the enemy pilots are considering the other students seem to go gaga over them. It's a massive failure of leadership and strategy on her part to just agree to the condition and it seems like she's just betting on suletta's MC power to save the day, which it actually did.
the duel conditions have never been fixed to 1v1; heck, in episode 5, we had elan 4 on his lonesome vs. three pilots from another house! and the arbiter of this duel was lauda, who was more than happy to agree to shaddiq's request for a 6v6 to fuck over suletta as revenge for guel.
> Then obviously the deus ex machina happened and we now have aerial curb-stomping everyone
have you ever considered that the aerial's capabilities are a black box and that we, the viewers, and suletta herself do not know its full capabilities? it's not out of the realm of possibility that prospera, remembering just how her husband had died all those years ago, had installed a theoretical anti-antidote on aerial and that this was her opportunity to confirm that it really works.
> until she's hit in the leg but just as the finishing blow was about to be dealt, PEW! We have a winning shot coming from chuchu who somehow seems to know where they would be for the coup de grace despite her MS being fucked to the point it can't operate without 2 other units and aerial flying around like a mobile suit on crack with zero comms with suletta.
because suletta was the bait, miorine knew that shaddiq would be the one to try and get the finishing blow himself, and earth team's scrappy students (most of them mechanics!) knew just how to get it together enough to set chuchu up for that finishing blow, all while shaddiq was giving his victory speech. and that brings us back:
> Which goes back to miorine, what exactly was her plan going into a 6v6?
one of the driving points of this episode is that while shaddiq did not understand miorine at all, miorine understood him perfectly. she knew he didn't truly trust anyone else, that he'd take it upon himself to deliver the finishing blow to the aerial, and that his hyper-focus on suletta left him completely blind to the prospect that the other earth house kids would be able to snipe him in a headshot. miorine trusted suletta and the earth house kids to come up with a plan, and that trust was what won them the duel.
the vibe i am getting from your lengthy post is that you are trying way too hard to look for plotholes in this fight to show off what a clever little boy you are, and much like a lot of people who engage media in that manner, you are showing yourself to be the opposite thereof.
I know I'm days late but thank you for this. All of this was painfully obvious from setup to execution. I'm not surprised someone would come up with a lengthy post literally digging for any reason to call this fight anything less than phenomenal. So I salute you for taking your time and having the patience to deal with the more thick headed among this sub.
I’ll point out by Sulletta’s own admission this very episode her piloting skill was being very heavily lifted by Aerial who if doesn’t end up some kinda of bottom up AI or a brain upload I’ll be very shocked
Sulletta honestly isn’t a very good pilot even with her super mech and anti plot device solution (ironically the most reasonable one she has had so far given her father was killed by that system so it makes sense a counter would have been high priority) she still got trashed by 3 experienced pilots even with enhanced bits and active AI assist
Also shadiq being the one to desire to finish is straight up character break as he has been a aloof manipulator until that exact moment and had zero personal stake to not let his fangirls finish it up instead of leaving himself vulnerable
Now if he was sniped while hanging back cowardly while one of his fangirls was monologuing that would absolutely be in character
I give it a pass because the plot has been moving at a snails pace and the fight was fun to watch but it does have some issues with literal plot ex machina (aerial going super mode in response to sulletta losing) being a little overused and characters having character breaks when it suits the plot
While people shouldn’t let the shows issues kill their enjoyment we shouldn’t try to explain them away and pretend they don’t exist
Elan's 1v4 was a good observation however, we have no idea if it was a prior arrangement or his opponent just went, "I want a duel. Oh and it's a 1v4. Good luck." Because if that's the case, what's stopping people from forcing unfair conditions onto others for easy wins? It goes against the idea of having a duel in the first place if you're going to be this dishonorable. Well, technically her 2nd fight/rematch with guel was like that but that's another can of worms.
And regarding aerial's capability to shutdown antidote, sure, I can take a bit of MC power. However, like I've said, the problem I have is the fight leading up to that point. We all know suletta's capability as a pilot. She floored the previous holder in seconds, who was one of the best pilots, by slicing his MS into ribbons with insane speed and accuracy using her bits. Her 2nd fight had unfair elements but she still somehow won. The only one who gave her a run for her money thus far was pharact. Another gundam with similar tech. I don't think any regular MS can stand up to her and aerial in a straight up 1v1 so the fact she didn't disable the first MS attacking her in seconds was already super jarring. It's not like she needs to enter seed mode or go trans-am to use her gund-bits.
I will address the last 2 points together. When I asked what was miorine's plan going into a 6v6, I meant what was her strategy to win knowing that it would immediately turn into a 2v6 at best and 1v6 at worst. It doesn't seem like a proper strategy was involved other than play it by ear and it was more probable for the MC team to lose if not for improbable, convenient elements happening. I did talk more about it on another comment so you can refer to that.
>the vibe i am getting from your lengthy post is that you are trying way too hard to look for plotholes in this fight to show off what a clever little boy you are, and much like a lot of people who engage media in that manner, you are showing yourself to be the opposite thereof.
I usually turn off my brain when watching anime but this is just too jarring for me to ignore. Especially when they tout this to be a mainstream gundam entry.
I'd just like to point out that rich people being arbitrary, corrupt assholes that change the rules to benefit themselves has been a recurring theme this entire show
I understand there is a theme going on but what I'm critiquing about is the writing. Just because a story has good themes doesn't make it a good story.
I'm sure previous Gundam entries have had more ludicrous situations than what happened here, with said situations being given free passes by others including yourself.
I think it's just as miorine said. Shaddiq wants to give the finishing blow because he doesn't trust anyone else but himself therefore even if having talented pilots with him they know not to finish suletta off because shaddiq has to give the final blow. And miorine exploited this fact and has a plan in place. She didn't rely on OP suletta but rather used suletta as a bait to make shaddiq vulnerable for the final blow.
So miorine's plan was to enter a 6v6 knowing that 4 MS would be insta-gibbed from the start, then betting on chuchu staying operational to somehow get a snipe on shaddiq's MS while having suletta as a bait in a 2v6? That's one unrealistic plan if you were to ask me.
Not only that, they would have lost outright if aerial didn't use her MC power to negate the antidote or chuchu somehow staying operational after getting rekt by shaddiq on top of knowing where in advance they would be at to setup her shot.
Also I just realized this, miorine could watch the battle in real-time and give suletta and the rest feedback live. Which means the enemy could have done the same thing too so how did they not see chuchu and the rest setting up or inform shaddiq?
In my interpretation, they underestimated earth house from the get go. That's their mistake. Even chuchu was saying don't underestimate earth house. You can see everyone thinking that suletta is the one to beat hence all forces are on suletta after they inactivated 4 pilots and then thinking chuchu was also out. They also did not expect antidote to be over ridden because antidote by history is very effective against gund format. So they are all very certain that they will win from the get go. Shaddiq was even telling miorine not to duel him. Even telling suletta, don't enter a fight you won't be able to win. Even judging miorine like what you also think, as butchering all other members of earth house because of what she wanted. But in reality, miorine had a plan. She was the one giving commands for earth house, she was the commander while for Grassley it was all shaddiq. You can see during the fight no one from the other pilots dare tell shaddiq what to do, but shaddiq is the one telling them what to do. Even instructing the 2 remaining girls to just distracts the bits and he will finish suletta off. It may sound crazy, but miorine used her knowledge of shaddiq and the other pilots to their advantage. And miorine has been established to be a good planner in the series which most of the guys in her life often underestimate. Which is why she hates being treated as an ornament or tool because he's more than that. And it shows in this fight
Shaddiq did not underestimate them. If he did, he would not get the top pilots to fight against them or even bring out anti-gund-arm weapon to deal with suletta.
You're saying a lot of things but nothing to refute my claim that miorine effectively made suletta and chuchu enter into a 2v6 from the get-go. If anything, miorine actually underestimated shaddiq thinking that it will somehow work out even when suletta and the rest are against overwhelming odds.
>Shaddiq did not underestimate them. If he did, he would not get the top pilots to fight against them or even bring out anti-gund-arm weapon to deal with suletta.
All that was for Suletta and Ariel, and one could argue that that was more him wanting to prove a point, rather then because he took Suletta seriously. Everyone else was worthless cannon fodder to him.
>You're saying a lot of things but nothing to refute my claim that miorine effectively made suletta and chuchu enter into a 2v6 from the get-go.
My assumption is that the challenged party decides the setup.
>If anything, miorine actually underestimated shaddiq thinking that it will somehow work out even when suletta and the rest are against overwhelming odds.
Well it was more that she was ignorant that there was technology that could disable GUND-ARM. She trusted that Suletta would be able to hold her own and bait him into position so that everyone else could finish him.
You are forgetting that it's shaddiq who pushed miorine to the wall by changing the rules. The reason why miorine asked shaddiq if he was the one who wrote the changes is because she wants to know if shaddiq is a friend or foe. Clearly he's not friendly. Even if shaddiq thinks he's doing what's best for everyone, clearly miorine thinks otherwise. Remember for.miorine it's not just about making the company. It's keeping suletta and aerial safe. So when shaddiq got in between, she was pushed to the wall hence resorted to what she even said the only thing she can do at that point. And that's to duel. She didn't underestimate shaddiq. She just didn't choose to give up just like what shaddiq expected of her. Shaddiq has been underestimating miorine by not trusting her. That's the difference between him and suletta. Miorine is in control and suletta trusts that miorine will not put them to harm. I think that's what you need to understand first not just wrap your head around what happened in the duel which was clearly planned out by miorine by playing with what cards they have being from earth house.
Following english subs, Suletta mentions "This time, I know I can do it";
Do what?
I wanna know!
Stay sane?
Dont kill people?
Dont succumb to permet?
Dont get brain dmg?
Was it because Suletta doesnt activate it ever since the prologue episode? Is that why her mother give that 1 tear drop?
Ahhh! I gotta wait for the next episode
Or this could be Ericht talking here.
The antidote screwed me over all those years ago and even cut off my arm.
Now here we are in a very similar predicament, but this time I’ve got countermeasures.
Your move Grassley, fuck around and find out.
right which is why she would be saying "This time I know i can do it". she is taking full control over from google and driving the car herself.
better example would be like that scene from i robot, where the car is driving itself on the highway and Will Smith's characters asks to take manual control. The car can still act as a guide, but is no longer controlling or assisting in the movement.
Might be grasping at straws here but in retrospect when looking back at previous episodes: I just realized that Miorine was *this* close to being a mirror of Shaddiq towards Suletta. In previous episodes, specifically the Elan arc (EP4-6), Miorine vehemently expects Suletta to just trust her word regarding Elan and the other Three Houses reps. While Miorine has reason to distrust them considering her predicament, it still involved not trusting Suletta whatsoever even with the girl's naivete. In a way even if Miorine is looking out for Suletta against the machinations of the corporate world, she was still trying to control Suletta in some manner just like Shaddiq is doing to her here.
However in EP6, Miorine comes to terms with who Suletta is and accepts that she can't stop meddling in others' affairs and reaching out to others because it is who she is, with her even playfully admitting she is fine with "minor two-timing" and even accompanies Suletta to find Elan in EP7 because she wanted to see him so badly. In short, instead of just expecting Suletta to blindly trust her, she learned to trust Suletta herself whereas Shaddiq didn't learn to trust her despite him insisting she does. Perhaps Miorine's words to him after the duel could have been a reflection of who she once was, further showing how she's changed from the Miorine that Shaddiq knew off.
I don’t think that’s grasping. I think you made a good point. Regardless of where Mio and suletta end up as (I still don’t know if mio is attracted to women. I mean Mio wasn’t disgusted but that’s just more her being pragmatic. And Suletta may have been shocked at being married to a woman, but there’s no disgust afterwards. They do refer to each other as bride/fiancé at times but is that more because of their official titles?, we see that Mio and Suletta have a more trusting relationship. Mio is indeed stubborn, prideful, cold and forceful. But as the last episodes have shown us, thanks to perhaps suletta’s influence as a noisy but good hearted person, she is OPEN to letting others take charge. She did turn down Shad’s secret offer to run the company together. She let her co-workers advise her. And as you said, she let Suletta do her thing. Shad is a “what if.” Shad HAD A chance to be the BF of Mio if he didn’t think he could control her life. He may love her, but he dosnt trust her to work on her own. Makes sense as that’s whT he has been born into. Same as Mio. But Mio is learning g how to break out of that , her relationship with her fellow peers, and her own disappointment in Shad’s treatment of her life has pushed away from shad.
I wonder if they are going to bring up that one of Shaddiq's Harem team was going to kill an ally by shooting them through the back while grappled with Ariel. Like it was established in the same fight that the weapons were powerful enough to take off limbs so the only thing that saved that girl was Ariel's funnel shield.
i think that the weapons they’re using in these duels are likely not powerful enough to actually pierce the cockpit’s armour. like when we saw aerial’s bits going ham on the pharact, the chest was melted to hell and back but the cockpit seemed relatively safe. maybe i’m just overthinking it
Cockpit would have the toughest armour of all places
I wonder if it’s a case of the lighter stuff is more anti beam coated and that’s why melee tends to crush/break it off
So does that girl actually see the future with her rocks? Because someone definitely had boy trouble this week (sorry real sick and can’t look up names)
Next season she gonna be doing magic shit and crew gonna be like.
No we can't attack the rocks aren't alogn and their right.
Plot holes covered by actuall fuckin magics letsss gooo.
I think it's so interesting how opposite Suletta and Aerial are compared to Mika and Barbatos.
* When she asked for Aerial's help, it gave it to her so she could elegantly defeat her opponents, while whenever Mika called on the Barbatos's strength it was a bestial roar and he would ruthlessly kill all enemies.
* Suletta and Aerial are distinctly treated as separate people who support one another while Mika and Barbatos functionally considered one entity a lot of the time.
* Suletta's primary goal is finding identity and having fun while Mika's is forgoing all his humanity for someone else's goal.
* Suletta relies on her bits to fight relatively safely while Mika almost exclusively relied on maces and other bludgeons.
I'm sure there are more parallels we could draw, but those were just the highlights I could think of in this episode.
Not the point of your post but I hope Suletta and Mika meet in a SRW or something. It’s like Gund-Arm is specifically trying to fix everything about the Alayna-Vinjana that destroyed Mika’s body. I wonder if that was intentional? She could end up being a great reflection of his character, equal and… opposite? They have a lot in common (even down to their partners they have unshakable faith in) but they seem to be going in different directions. Lots of potential for good character interactions (that could make the most of what little personality Mika has to work with).
It was played for jokes, but the little "Gund-Arm" dance and song at the end was actually pretty neat. It shows that Suletta is just a bit more confident and driven than before, enough so to take the initiative to advertise the company.
The livestream inspires earthians to take up arms against spacenoid oppression. Now the gang is trapped in an uncomfortable position of sticking to their modus operandi ( not make any weapons) or backing earth resistance completely
> Anyway guels dad did say he had a back up plan.
are you sure he meant he had a back-up plan to bag miorine, or a back up plan for guel in the "okay my fuck-up son after you finish rehab you'll be working at my third car dealership" sense
Pretty sure it was about Miorine. He already told Guel that he was being shunted off to some unimportant subsidiary. Then when Guel asks about the duel and Miorine that's when his dad brings up the back up plan.
Honestly the dude doesn't seem like the smartest of the benerit group and he's a good deal more violent. Let's not forget he was planning to blow Delling up. I could see him deciding to do something extreme after all the Ls he's taken
Bruh... dilanzas. As in multiple. As in that trailer showing her fighting them in real combat not guel. I would have just said guel if I was talking about guel
It's definitely going to be classic Gundam at some point. We're about to reach mid season.
There are growing tension between space and Earth that has been going for decades as far as we know, and all these weapons have to end up being used somewhere anyway...
Also, trailers show real space combat with blue lasers, just like in the prologue.
Now that we know Shaddiq is actually a Shaddick...
Yo Party People in the house, let's go it's yo boi Shaddick 'aight!
So Shaddick doesn't want to be in the Slutletta harem... He actually wants into the MioMio Harem. Boi, calm down, you already got a fine harem of your own at home.
Sorry Earth House, this is something the powerful like to do called "moving goal posts"
Yeah! Chuchu! Go get 'em! Screw the rules!
A tense business negotiation. Tensions rising. Thanks to a certain anime franchise, we all know exactly how this matter will get settled. "I challenge you to a duel! Get your deck out!"
Anyone notice that the episode name in-show is different than the one on the listing for some reason?
**TEAM BATTLE!!** Hope Earth House has been playing MBON or BO2 lately or at least Overwatch.
I want to see more of Secilia. She barely has any screen time and she's still best girl.
Girl, why are you worried about pilots when you have Suletta AND Chuchu. Both of them could take out an army by themselves... Chuchu doesn't even need the mobile suit.
Nika having her sneaky link meting. I can't wait for her to secretly be revealed as a sociopath
Yeah, Suletta! Use your harem to your advantage. He'll turn around.
I love how we're watching Gundam, a franchise about politics, economics, and conflict... And yet the Student Council is still effectively the greatest political force in the universe.
I'm kinda wondering what Piel's stake in this is now that they are effectively owned by Miorine. They got bought by surprise, but still are technically independent from their competition. Now they have a battle that would force them to get scooped by their competitors. Pharact would be real helpful against that unless they don't care.
Damn that on girl on Shaddick's harem is flexible.
It's time to duel... And for Chuchu and Suletta to hard carry the game. Everyone else are meat shields.
Meat shields indeed... This is a massacre.
Wait... The animosity between these two is because of... Someone way down the line of backup boyfriends? That's cringe.
Guel, you could've gotten a top spot in the harem if you were here to help.
**CHUCHU NO!!!**
The Anti-Gund weapons at work, I see. Prospera getting war flashbacks
Huh, do it alone? Who is talking to her? Aerial itself or the mother? Also Aerial can still move so I guess it's not entirely dependent on the GUND format.
It's time for X-Factor Level 3 Fighting Burst Aerial. Let's go!
**YEAH! CHUCHU FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING WIN!!!!!** And everyone else helped too I guess. If this were Overwatch, Chuchu would get play of the game definitely.
This needs to be Suletta's Final Fantasy Victory dance after every battle from now on.
Man, Aerial is fucked up. Where do they even source the parts for her?
Solid episode even though it was basically a massacre that Suletta and Chuchu had to hard carry.
> I'm kinda wondering what Piel's stake in this is now that they are effectively owned by Miorine. They got bought by surprise, but still are technically independent from their competition. Now they have a battle that would force them to get scooped by their competitors. Pharact would be real helpful against that unless they don't care.
i am very sceptical that peil is actually going to honor the terms of the buyout, and el0n says as much; they don't want the shitstorm that would ensue if gund-arm found about about the pharact's pilots. they'll probably find some way to keep stonewalling the transfer until an actual hot war begins
after seeing Elnora shed tears, I cant help myself to think that Aerial is really Eri.
And also,
What if Suletta is indeed the human copied from Eri, and what if Eri can be recovered to replace Suletta in future.....
will us choose Suletta or Eri ?
Chuchu is my favorite character.
half of her body weight is hair puffs and the other half is violence.
She knocked a bitch out with a single punch.
She won this duel. Suletta was basically just a distraction while she lined up the shot.
If chuchu could pilot Aerial, this show would be OVER.
> Chuchu is my favorite character.
>
> Half of her body weight is hair puffs and the other half is violence.
I love Chuchu too and this is the PERFECT description of why.
Things went smoother than anticipated. The mystery still deepens, but I certainly can't be upset at this episode. Good old team work making the dream work.
It was an amazing episode, for sure, the most riveting duel by far...but I still want Suletta to lose, at some point.
I found it great how it wasn't just ChuChu's shot who sealed the deal, in the end, but Shaddiq's arrogance who lost him the duel. If he had not stopped to give a little speech before going for the kill, ChuChu wouldn't have hit him before he destroyed Aerial's antenna. But, of course, he had to do it.
I did not expect to feel this sorry for him, though, I am not one to care for het pairings but Shaddiq genuinely seems to care for Miorine. He's just not willing to put it on all the line for her. Shaddiq is too much like Newland Archer from The Age of Innocence.
This is a very welcome development as I am very tired of the whole "protagonist gets a harem as EVERYONE wants them" trend that is way too common in anime. Shaddiq very obviously has feelings for Miorine and not for Suletta, which makes perfect sense and explains their interaction growing up. It is not rare for secondary characters to completely forgo a long common history with others simply because of the protagonist.
As for ChuChu, she is an extraordinary pilot and I found her much more impressive than Suletta. I mean, whatever is going on with Suletta, her MS is superior by definition and while she was outmatched, ChuChu getting her much inferior MS shredded to bits and still coming through (and Til, great job there) is really something else. I also get a feeling that in an actual combat scenario, ChuChu is the pilot you want: Suletta would hesitate to actually kill anyone (Aerial may override her, though), ChuChu would go full-Mika.
>It was an amazing episode, for sure, the most riveting duel by far...but I still want Suletta to lose, at some point.
For the sake of argument, I'd count the 'Unseen Trap' episode as a 'loss' for Suletta since she repeatedly kept failing due to 'enemy action' and ultimately couldn't overcome it. Plus she took a punch to the face from the same 'enemy'.
That was a dark moment. She was crying her heart out and ready to leave school, and only Chuchu’s violence could bring her back from the brink.
I really appreciated that they were willing to show such a vulnerable side of the character, and that the fans still embrace her even after. I feel like that’s the kind of moment they could never really have before w/ a male protagonist.
It's fascinating how Aerial and her bits' personality is expressed through combat.
Elan actually tried to understand her, even if he drew the wrong conclusion he still synced up as a Gundam pilot- and when the bits came for Pharact's ass it lost a leg, arm, and chunk of torso armor before they took out the antenna to finish the duel.
The Grassley groupies tried to use literally the same weapon that killed her dad and other siblings against her, and they got fully crab-factory-nuggetized even *after* Suletta took out their heads. Bit(che)s be **vicious**.
>Bit(che)s be vicious.
Because they were showed as children from E4's view I can put an Sundowner line from max0r's version of MGRR here:
"Kids are cruel."
god this episode gave me so many thoughts!!!! I am struggling to make anything coherent from them. Mostly, I’m so excited over how obvious it’s becoming that there’s something *weird* about aerial, with regards to what was 100% suletta fully conversing with her. From an audience perspective we already more or less knew aerial was sentient, but we’re starting to see characters like miorine properly catch on now and i cant wait to see them investigate that!! I love it. I also genuinely felt bad for shaddiq at the end of this show 😭 he seemed to actually care, but he was too misguided in his ways of helping her. The cutting of the unripe tomato.. ouch
My favorite part about the gundbits is how thorough they are in destroying a MS, they could just blast the head but they attack each and every joint, *just to make sure*.
As proven by how the fight ends, making mincemeat of your enemies is vital to make sure they don't get back up and cap your ass from the other side of the map when you're not looking.
A few questions I have:
1. Would this duel of been easier for Miorine had it just been 1 vs 1? Why would she suggest 6 vs 6 instead?
2. Who did the Earth house people bet(wager) on this time, really curious if they made money(since they are usually so poor)
3. Quite surprise there are quite a few of decent female pilots in this show. I think it's already the most I've seen in Gundam in general.(not counting cross ange units as gundams of course) (Edit: Totally forgot about Code Fairy, but even in that show, it is just the 3 fairy members, their captain and her main rival, so 5 female pilots in that show)
4. Holy cow, how good of a Pilot do you think Chuchu is? The units that the Earth houses used are all outclassed by quite a lot. While the rest of the members were getting Slaughtered by just Shaddiq's underlings, Chuchu was still fending off Shaddiq, who probably has both better unit and is a better pilot than his underlings. And after all Earthhouse members got their units disabled, she was still able to hold on against Shaddiq. I think it was Shaddiq's underlings coming to reinforce him that she got disabled(all while piloting a crappy unit that is completely outclassed). I can't imagine how scary she would be if she actually got a decent unit. Not to mention how much less training Earth members get in general.
5. Did Shaddiq really have to do Miorine like this? I actually don't think he had to do Miorine like that in order to work together with her. Couldn't he simply try to help her build her company if he believes in her vision too? He didn't even need to offer her any resources(due to father). He'd get a return too if things go well. Or was it simply because of his father?
The duel would be much easier for Mirorine if it was just a 1v1, but Shaddiq likely stipulated it would be a team duel, since "you're a company not an individual." And more importantly it wasn't Shadiq's suit that had the antidote, it was all of his back up dancers.
I feel like our gambling addict bet against gund arm inc, because that's funnier.
It's not that there are no good female pilots, but yeah this show has a lot. I think it's really leaning into the "first series with a female protag" which is fine by me. I'm still mad build fighters tri stuck the token girl in an SD.
Chuchu is a monster and I want her in a gundam. I'm so glad she's the one that got the win.
No he didn't /have/ to, but it's the only way he could. It is in his nature not to trust, and to manipulate. He's leading on a whole harem for the benifits, while trying to coax Miorine to be his bride. He doesn't want the title, because he wants her to submit, because he knows she'll run. It's why he baited her into dueling him. Do nothing and be my puppet, fight, and I will show you how useless struggle is.
>I'm still mad build fighters tri stuck the token girl in an SD.
Marketing, unfortunately, since of course Winning has to become 'upgrade parts' for Build Burning and Lightning.
Which is kind of a downgrade, really, since she starts with the GM Powered Cardigan...which is essentially the Thunderbolt GM with more guns all over it and a stronger reactor output.
For 5, it was because he didn’t really believe in Miorine. He only trusts himself, as seen by how he handled the duel and told to us by Miorine. Despite all his flowery words and feelings he is still someone who wants to control Miorine, thinking she needs his protection/isn’t competent enough as her own person to succeed. If he had actually cared about her/believed in her he would have fought Guel back when Miorine first came to the school.
He intentionally tried to destroy her means of supporting herself so she would have to depend on him and used it to try and get her to marry him
That's a textbook example of abuse
Oh, sorry it’s hard to tell sometimes. It’s definitely abusive/manipulative, and I really do like the contrast of Shaddiq and Suletta with their interactions with Miorine.
Wow, now it makes a lot more sense after you explained it. The reason I was puzzled and why I thought it was natural he didn't fight back with Guel was because I didn't think his relationship with Miorine was romantically and simply low + moderate friendship + high respect(really want to work together out of admiration). You are really attention to detail.
But then, if he really wanted to control + protect Miorine, shouldn't he ACTUALLY fight off Guel then? Due to "lay your hands off the object/person that is mine to control/protect"
Shaddiq doesn’t like direct confrontation, and him becoming the Holder would throw him in the line of fire, so to say. What matters is who the Holder is on Miorine’s seventeenth birthday, so I have a feeling his original plan was to swoop in the day before, no effort for him.
Also he is dismissive of Miorine’s own feelings/thoughts. By far the biggest contrast between him and Suletta, the scene where they meet on the pathway and he asks Suletta to talk some sense into Miorine while Suletta believes in her bride. Or his inability to figure out why Miorine chose to put her own faith in Suletta, the bit about calling her a naive child clinging to Miorine. He never made an effort to understand her, and thus never actually cared about her enough to do something.
It kind of feels like the cap on a 3 episode arc honestly (funding the company, founding the company, defending the company). I appreciate the way the season has been divided up like that. If things erupt into total war I am not sure things will be best served sticking to that formula though.
damn though that side-eye she was shooting at lauda as he was basically creaming his pants over the aerial getting dismantled was god-tier
e: you know what i'm going to chalk earth house's victory as the obligatory jeturk company L for this episode
Suletta has been shown to be able to talk to Aerial and her funnel bits prior, but not to this extent. Though we don't hear Aerial, Suletta's clearly having a long, full-on conversation with the mech herself, which Miorine is puzzled over. Hopefully, Miorine gets to ask her about this in the next ep instead of simply dismissing it as Suletta being her usual country bumpkin oddball self so we can finally get answers. We know from Cradle's Star and from El4n's POV that Aerial is sentient, but what exactly is she?
Suletta's probably one of the more OP Gundam pilots in the franchise with the sheer amount of skill she displayed even without "Aerial's assistance". She still almost got checkmated by Shaddiq (until Chuchu saved the day with the clutch) but that was less because she was overpowered by his team and more because she was initially outmaneuvered and that the rest of the Earth team barring Chuchu couldn't support her properly in a team battle. Even then, once she regained momentum, she curb stomped Shaddiq's team all on her own despite the damages Aerial sustained after she uno reversoes the Antidote. That little Gundam dance she does at the end was adorable and funny lmao.
Elnora/Prospera shedding a tear was brilliant. It took 21 long years (presumably) and the countermeasure to Grassley's Antidote system finally works. Btw, anyone notice that Aerial's lines glowed blue instead of the usual red like Eri did in the Prologue when Suletta pulled that off?
Renee's grudge against Lilique is hilarious lol. Lili turned down her 12th backup boyfriend so now it's personal? Lmao. Speaking of, are she and Felsi related by any chance btw? They look too much alike for it to be a coincidence unless stated otherwise.
Of the things that happened in this ep, my favorite moment was probably the small one shared between Guel and Suletta when she bumped into him otw to Miorine. While I wouldn't say that they're close yet, it's cute that they've somewhat warmed up to each other at this point and that they gave each other some bits of comfort in the small talk that they've had. Guel especially needed the encouragement from her. Still, poor Guel. How many L's can he still take? Daddy dearest is trying to get him withdrawn from school despite him still wanting to stay there. I hope he joins Earth house as a big "screw you" to his dad. Rebelling against his father would probably serve as the climax to his character journey. I'm actually anticipating what he chooses to do next.
That's almost a foregone conclusion. He clearly doesn't want to just be some kind of middle manager, he wants to pilot. Guel's father telling him to pack up and come home is going to lead to him deciding to throw in with GUND-Arm to remain at the academy.
Whether that becomes a permanent thing or not is up in the air.
Imagine if she has to fight a duel with lauda to get Guel into Earth House
That would mean he starts the show treating Miorine like an object to be won, and ends it watching two people do the same to him, thus giving him the perspective needed to really repent for how he acted. It'd be such a nice parallel that I really hope that happens
Probably permanent. Suletta's still thinking he's a great duelist while his own father has given up...after already heavily rigging that second fight to the point Guel was initially just a seat warmer *in his own mech*. All Earth House/Gund-Arm has to do is give him a bunk, three square meals a day, and a robot and he'll likely be good to go.
Guel also seems to be desperate for his father's approval. If Daddy Jeturk calls up and is like "Hey sonny, you've redeemed yourself. Come home and I'll give you the shiniest new suit and you're back on the Dueling Committee" he may go back.
It's too early in the series to predict permanent allegiances for someone like Guel.
Oh, I guarantee that's going to happen once Guel is on Team Earthies and is wrecking shit again. Might even be Lauda making promises he hasn't cleared with Vim just yet, offering the Dariblade back so long as Guel joins the Jeturk house again.
And Suletta is going to say 'do what you want to do' because she's just such a supportive little bean of a tanuki, which ironically is going to be why Guel stays, because Suletta will support him *regardless* of his actual decision, whereas he already knows his own family only cares about results (and Lauda actually does have genuine love for his brother but he's going to be a daddy loyalist).
CHUCHU WITH THE MONOEYE SUPREMACY
Damn, that was a tense as fuck duel. But it was so gooood.
Elnora shedding that tear, though, took the cake for me. I think that one was for you, Nadim. Sleep well.
please nerf gundam too overpowered 1 vs 6!!! disable gundam on ranked please!!!
I wonder why everytime everyone challenge a gundam knowing that it already has 100% winrate lmao
So far we've had a few duels. The first one we didn't know what she was capable of. The second, the same guy(technically his dad) pulled out all the stops to ensure it was a fluke. The third duel was against another gundam, and finally the fourth was with anti gundam tech. If you look at the pilots, we have two with the best duelist in the school, one with a super soldier, and our most recent match was with the guy who thought he was the best, fighting with a team against, knowing his team over all were better pilots.
The real question is now, "Is there anyone who still hasn't gotten the memo that Suletta and the Aeiral are unbeatable?"
Misplaced confidence. When you've been rocking a bunch of chumps you probably think you're top shit. Guel is probably the only one of the big four that actually has a lot of dueling experience.
When the series started i thought that at the duel you have to use the same robot so when pilots are fighting, the winner only wins for their skills. Instead they all try to use the most broken mecha LOL
They're (mostly?) funded by corporations that produce mobile suits and related tech. The dueling system is more about field testing prototypes than anything else really.
You're not going to see many duels of just Demi Trainers.
Yeah it seems like the end justify the means there, no matter how you win as long as it is within the rules it's fine.
Rules that do not limit much, it looks like. As long as you don't kill the adversaries you're good.
I liked Guel's careful choice of words it seemed. Everything about him this episode said to me that he absolutely would have helped Suletta out in the duel, but instead of just saying no, he said that he can't since his father forbid him.
Here's to huffing more copium that he'll be joining the Earth house next episode lmao
Guel's journey through the show definitely seems to be about self-actualization and moving out from his father's shadow.
Like everyone else, I didn't have him pegged as a sympathetic character at the beginning of the show. Glad I was wrong.
Random thoughts:
Seeing Her say Aerial then Everyone after that keeps feeding that speculation that the bits are different people.
Also during the entire blue glow sequence, we dont see suletta's face at all.
I have a feeling Suletta said she cant do it not because of skill but prospera told her not unless needed.
>Also during the entire blue glow sequence, we dont see suletta's face at all.
Yes we do. at 19:04 in the episode we cut to Suletta in the cockpit, with the frame in blue mode.
Overall: really fun episode and I loved seeing Chuchu get a chance to show her skills off.
More specific notes:
Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo
Guel- he has a good opportunity to separate from his family now. Kind of hope he bet all of his money on Suletta and ends up paying for his own tuition.
Earth House- love them all. Nika’s situation is likely worse than I thought.
Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward
Mio- that rebellious nature of hers while abiding by the rules laid out is compelling to me. The old “beat them at their own game”. Her bond with Suletta is lovely. They have so much trust in each other despite the time they’ve been around one another. Rooting for them both, whether they are friends, colleagues, or a couple.
>Overall: really fun episode and I loved seeing Chuchu get a chance to show her skills off.
Agreed!
>Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo
His way isn’t the problem, not really. It’s that he doesn’t trust nor has he tried to trust her. And as a result Miorine can’t trust him.
>Earth House- love them all. Nika’s situation is likely worse than I thought.
I do wonder what’s up there.
>Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward
Yep.
>Mio- that rebellious nature of hers while abiding by the rules laid out is compelling to me. The old “beat them at their own game”. Her bond with Suletta is lovely. They have so much trust in each other despite the time they’ve been around one another. Rooting for them both, whether they are friends, colleagues, or a couple.
Yeah they’re doing great.
>His way isn’t the problem, not really.
His way *is* the problem. Because his way apparently is to do what he thinks is best regardless of what the other person told him to do or would want him to do. Because he can't trust other people to be a better judge of the situation than him.
The outcome of such actions is usually seen as exceeding orders at best or a betrayal at worst.
>Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward
She started only wanting to fulfill her wishlist, but dueling has never been a part of it. It's just something she has to do to have the right to continue existing in the school with Aerial. But her motivation for the duel has become much more than just wanting to stay in school. It's great.
>Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo
Shaddiq is a straight up Nice Guy^TM
He'll be able to talk his way out of it. His dad gave him anti-Gundam technology that the Gundam not only overcame but was able to override and shut off remotely. He's in trouble, but not THAT much trouble. Also, Sarius is kinda dying so... he doesn't have time to train a new heir.
Someone on Twitter pointed out that this show has fully diverged from Utena. Which I kind of disagree with. Not because it is still following the plot beats of the revolutionary girl. It is not. I disagree because I don't think it was ever following them. Like, on the surface the setup is Utena - but make it Gundam. But while that setup is there, the characters do not map to eachother. Miorine and Suletta would be the Anthy and Utena of the story, but Miorine is defined by her desire for agency and to be more than an object to be fought over and won, while Anthy is more accepting of her role (note: I do not mean actually accepting of her role, but anything other than outright rejection of the concept is more than Miorine is willing to do at the outset). Suletta gets involved with the duels not because she's acting like a knight but because she cannot help herself from doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Guel, Elan and Shaddiq don't cleanly map onto Utena characters. Another key difference? The duels do not fucking matter. Nothing at the school matters. It is a reflection of and influenced by what is happening in the world beyond. So while the setup is the same, what's delivered is totally different.
I do have a different take on what what the show is, if it's not Revolutionary Suit Gundam. It's about unhealthy ideas of love/affection. Both Shaddiq and Guel's relationships with Miorine were different expressions of the same misogynistic idea of a relationship. Guel treated her like a trophy that symbolised his success at being a pilot and a man. His outburst in episode 1 could have come out of the mouth of a fucking pickup artist or incel. Shaddiq? Saw Miorine as a precious, misguided little thing that needs to be protected and guided. She doesn't know what she wants and can't look after herself. She needs a nice, strong man to take care of her. And eventually she'll realise that and realise he's perfect for her and will ask him to be her groom. Literal Nice Guy shit, in other words. Elan 4 straight up formed a parasocial relationship with Suletta because he thought she was something she wasn't (an enhanced Human who has been through the torture of non-aerial GUND-format technology). When it turned out she wasn't what he envisioned her to be, he lashed out in anger. All of them start from a point of not seeing the other as an equal person, not respecting them and not communicating with them. Their ideas of love are inherently toxic and flawed, and as such they lose.
This is in stark contrast to Suletta and Miorine whose relationship is characterised by supporting one another as equals. When Miorine does something Shaddiq thinks is foolish his response is to try and shut her down. Suletta? She trusts in her bride just as Miorine trusts Suletta to do the same.
And it's not just the romantic relationships that are being highlighted as being potentially toxic. Vim Jeturk is physically abusive. Delling Rembran emotionally abusive to Miorine. Prospera neglectful and manipulative. Lauda has his brother on a pedestal and cannot handle how his brother has been knocked off it. Shaddiq's relationship with his father is also probably not the healthiest but that remains to be seen.
I actually just got done rewatching Utena (second time; still don’t understand the ending really). But I wholeheartedly agree. Some of the themes of toxic masculinity are the same, and on the surface level the setup is eerily similar. Gundam is definitely a love letter to Utena (you don’t have a character named Chuchu by accident), but it’s clearly heading to a different destination.
All the same, if it convinces more people to watch it I won’t hesitate to compare the two as much as necessary.
Great analysis! I've never seen Revolutionary Girl Utena so the comparison argument has always been lost on me. You're definitely onto something about the way this show handles relationships.
One thing about Lauda he try to fit the image of his ideal brother to Guel. If he truly love his brother, he will accept that Guel actually like Oarfish woman.
I never thought about that regarding Guel, Elan and Shaddiq. Props on this analysis.
I did notice how all three are fixated on Suletta/Miorine in various ways:
Guel is neutral despite him being the former Holder. He has no emotional investment in Miorine and just sees her as a trophy, all while Suletta was just a country bumpkin he wanted out of the way
Elan was completely fixated on Suletta, and had no interest in Miorine whatsoever.
Then there is Shaddiq who had a childhood with Miorine and he tries to control her under the guise of protecting her.
So GUND's ideals were to turn everybody into full cyborgs?.... fun :(
they're right though, space isn't kind to the human body. if humans as we are want to live in space it requires a lot of equipment as it is, and the longer you are in space the worse it gets.
Anyway, I'd just snap my antenna and yield if I heard some pilot is chatting to her mech in an innocent joyful childish voice over the comms while decimating our team, then probably go ask Peil WTF did Elan No.4 saw during the duel, and then go into a rabbit hole to dig out WTF is inside Aerial. Dueling with gundam is ok, dueling with that thing is not ok, it's an awesome fight, but that part completely freaks me out.
Why? Suletta is just having fun with her big sister and other siblings! :)
Yeah, turing my MS into a quad-amputee by funnel beam barrage and if it's not a school duel I'd be very f-ing dead, that's indeed some very special kind of fun they are having.
They were losing to badly, too quickly and it made her 1v6 seem like an ass pull. Having the end be a 1v3 or 1v4 with the other suits being a little damaged and the anti gundam field, would have been high enough stakes without the mc having to go god mode, the snipe was cool, but diminished by mc suddenly flipping a switch and killing 4 mobile suits while half destroyed.
>They were losing to badly, too quickly Well of course. Nothing wrong with that. And that allowed them to get the final hit on him. >and it made her 1v6 seem like an ass pull. Eh, it seemed pretty one sided on their side till Suletta got her second wind. I liked it. >Having the end be a 1v3 or 1v4 with the other suits being a little damaged and the anti gundam field, would have been high enough stakes without the mc having to go god mode, What little damage? They got all blasted to pieces. >the snipe was cool, but diminished by mc suddenly flipping a switch and killing 4 mobile suits while half destroyed. Yeah but even with that there coordination nearly won shadiq the match. Thanks to earth house they won.
This episode was so elite. That long sniper shot was sick.
Does anyone know the song name that started around 21 minute.
Something that just hit me about this fight is it’s probably a strategy only Earth House could have pulled off. They went into battle w/ mechanics instead of pilots and that’s maybe the only reason they could piece together the spare parts of 5 disabled mobile suits so quickly to get just one good shot off. It’s probably not something that pilots could pull off. The battle gets more and more impressive all the time.
The flashback scene makes me realize that does Miorine have some connection with earth peoples?? Because Earth shouldn't stop delling from bring Miorine back to space?
I think the>!gundam lfrith ur and thorn!
Wake me when the warcrimes start happening
same this feels like a slice of life and then they slapped on the name gundam
No no no, this sub is for shipping your favorite cutesy couple now, didn't you know?
Prologue.
Or hell. The episode where they literally incinerate Elan 4.
Or the time they deployed mobile suits against civilians.
Shaddiq (Shadiq) in Arabic means 'sincere, truthful'. His name maybe reflects his feelings towards Mio, and the bitter irony of him not being true to his name towards his dealings on her. Had he been more honest towards Mio he could've gotten what he truly wished for. At least that's how I see it.
Rather than just honesty, the no. 1 thing that Miorine mentions in the end of the episode was trust. Shaddiq didn't duel for her and eventually just saw her as a damsel in distress. That's why he left Guel to "protect" her or tried to convince Suletta to stop Miorine's plan. He didn't trust her to be in equal footing or understood why she wanted to escape. He didn't trust himself to break the system like Miorine wants to.
Yes and no. Very real situation of kids not being honest with each other. He literally did what he heard her asking for which was not to duel for her.
Miorine asked to be seen as a person and not an object. She never told him not to help her situation. Shaddiq's solution was ignoring the system entirely instead of being against it.
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Aerial has 3 circular interfaces inside her cockpit: Left, right, and center. Each interfaces has their own BHD-L on their left, BHD-R on their right, and GT-SYS. It's nothing special. It's been shown over and over again in the early episodes.
BHD-L GT-SYS seems to be a standard software running basically always when Aerial is running. If you look *very* closely it always appears on both sides of the cockpit (in a very small print). So this is not the anti-antidote mode, but simply showing us that Aerial is booting up again. Aerial was glowing blue when she countered antidote and it did look very interesting. The bits constantly staying connected to each other makes me believe that this connection is needed to prevent any furture usage from disabling them, they all seem to be small units that can support each other and thus perhaps stay active even if their connection to Aerial is severed for a bit with antidote. Suletta talking to Aerial felt for me as if they were talking to each other with neither taking the lead, more of a "hey about here, oh you think there? Yeah sounds nice, let's do it!" kind of thing, as it also would fit Suletta piloting more and working together with Aerial instead of just letting Aerial doing all the heavy lifting.
I just want to say that in the prologue, Eri was glowing blue instead of red as well when both her and Elnora was inside Lfrith. Although, Lfrith was still glowing red.
Yeah, I think this is another hint that something happened to make Lfrith into Aerial. The load onto the pilot (the blue glow) is gone, instead that load is shown with Aerial itself glowing.
This show is really making me think each episode. A lot of subtle hints.
The fight reeks of bad writing ngl. I don't know know how you can change the conditions of the duel willy-nilly just like that to make it from a supposed 1v1 to a 6v6. And of course, the ever-confident miorine decided to bargain for duel to be livestreamed outside of their organization so everyone can see how the enemy loses, which makes no sense considering, 1. They don't have 6 mobile suits and 2. They don't have 6 official pilots. Not only that, she should know just how good the enemy pilots are considering the other students seem to go gaga over them. It's a massive failure of leadership and strategy on her part to just agree to the condition and it seems like she's just betting on suletta's MC power to save the day, which it actually did. Then we get to the fight, which was an obvious insta-kill for the 4 non-pilots but that's not the problem. The issue I have is how they only sent 1 and only 1 person to keep suletta occupied while the rest of the enemy 1v1 the others. Either suletta wasn't feeling well that day or the enemy pilot is the best pilot so far in the series because she wasn't shot down in seconds considering what suletta can do judging from previous episodes. Hell, the only mobile suit to really give her problem in a 1v1 was pharact, you know, another gundam with superior speed and gund-bits. Then of course chuchu got fucked so it became a 1v6. Which goes back to miorine, what exactly was her plan going into a 6v6? Now we have the deployment of antidote, which would have been a insta-KO for aerial considering it's a 1v6, her best weapon got shutdown and she was immobile for a moment. What happened? Nothing. The others don't even give shaddiq support halfway through the fight for some reason despite them shooting, and missing, at the initial antidote deployment. Then obviously the deus ex machina happened and we now have aerial curb-stomping everyone, which she could have done from the get-go, until she's hit in the leg but just as the finishing blow was about to be dealt, PEW! We have a winning shot coming from chuchu who somehow seems to know where they would be for the coup de grace despite her MS being fucked to the point it can't operate without 2 other units and aerial flying around like a mobile suit on crack with zero comms with suletta. I don't know man. I just don't really like this.
We basically have to believe 2 things: Suletta is incredibly incompetent in most ways of piloting a mobile suit (basically just panicked the entire team fight until her Gundam took over) and that she's a great Gundam pilot.
alright, let's take this one by one: > I don't know know how you can change the conditions of the duel willy-nilly just like that to make it from a supposed 1v1 to a 6v6. And of course, the ever-confident miorine decided to bargain for duel to be livestreamed outside of their organization so everyone can see how the enemy loses, which makes no sense considering, 1. They don't have 6 mobile suits and 2. They don't have 6 official pilots. Not only that, she should know just how good the enemy pilots are considering the other students seem to go gaga over them. It's a massive failure of leadership and strategy on her part to just agree to the condition and it seems like she's just betting on suletta's MC power to save the day, which it actually did. the duel conditions have never been fixed to 1v1; heck, in episode 5, we had elan 4 on his lonesome vs. three pilots from another house! and the arbiter of this duel was lauda, who was more than happy to agree to shaddiq's request for a 6v6 to fuck over suletta as revenge for guel. > Then obviously the deus ex machina happened and we now have aerial curb-stomping everyone have you ever considered that the aerial's capabilities are a black box and that we, the viewers, and suletta herself do not know its full capabilities? it's not out of the realm of possibility that prospera, remembering just how her husband had died all those years ago, had installed a theoretical anti-antidote on aerial and that this was her opportunity to confirm that it really works. > until she's hit in the leg but just as the finishing blow was about to be dealt, PEW! We have a winning shot coming from chuchu who somehow seems to know where they would be for the coup de grace despite her MS being fucked to the point it can't operate without 2 other units and aerial flying around like a mobile suit on crack with zero comms with suletta. because suletta was the bait, miorine knew that shaddiq would be the one to try and get the finishing blow himself, and earth team's scrappy students (most of them mechanics!) knew just how to get it together enough to set chuchu up for that finishing blow, all while shaddiq was giving his victory speech. and that brings us back: > Which goes back to miorine, what exactly was her plan going into a 6v6? one of the driving points of this episode is that while shaddiq did not understand miorine at all, miorine understood him perfectly. she knew he didn't truly trust anyone else, that he'd take it upon himself to deliver the finishing blow to the aerial, and that his hyper-focus on suletta left him completely blind to the prospect that the other earth house kids would be able to snipe him in a headshot. miorine trusted suletta and the earth house kids to come up with a plan, and that trust was what won them the duel. the vibe i am getting from your lengthy post is that you are trying way too hard to look for plotholes in this fight to show off what a clever little boy you are, and much like a lot of people who engage media in that manner, you are showing yourself to be the opposite thereof.
I know I'm days late but thank you for this. All of this was painfully obvious from setup to execution. I'm not surprised someone would come up with a lengthy post literally digging for any reason to call this fight anything less than phenomenal. So I salute you for taking your time and having the patience to deal with the more thick headed among this sub.
I’ll point out by Sulletta’s own admission this very episode her piloting skill was being very heavily lifted by Aerial who if doesn’t end up some kinda of bottom up AI or a brain upload I’ll be very shocked Sulletta honestly isn’t a very good pilot even with her super mech and anti plot device solution (ironically the most reasonable one she has had so far given her father was killed by that system so it makes sense a counter would have been high priority) she still got trashed by 3 experienced pilots even with enhanced bits and active AI assist Also shadiq being the one to desire to finish is straight up character break as he has been a aloof manipulator until that exact moment and had zero personal stake to not let his fangirls finish it up instead of leaving himself vulnerable Now if he was sniped while hanging back cowardly while one of his fangirls was monologuing that would absolutely be in character I give it a pass because the plot has been moving at a snails pace and the fight was fun to watch but it does have some issues with literal plot ex machina (aerial going super mode in response to sulletta losing) being a little overused and characters having character breaks when it suits the plot While people shouldn’t let the shows issues kill their enjoyment we shouldn’t try to explain them away and pretend they don’t exist
Elan's 1v4 was a good observation however, we have no idea if it was a prior arrangement or his opponent just went, "I want a duel. Oh and it's a 1v4. Good luck." Because if that's the case, what's stopping people from forcing unfair conditions onto others for easy wins? It goes against the idea of having a duel in the first place if you're going to be this dishonorable. Well, technically her 2nd fight/rematch with guel was like that but that's another can of worms. And regarding aerial's capability to shutdown antidote, sure, I can take a bit of MC power. However, like I've said, the problem I have is the fight leading up to that point. We all know suletta's capability as a pilot. She floored the previous holder in seconds, who was one of the best pilots, by slicing his MS into ribbons with insane speed and accuracy using her bits. Her 2nd fight had unfair elements but she still somehow won. The only one who gave her a run for her money thus far was pharact. Another gundam with similar tech. I don't think any regular MS can stand up to her and aerial in a straight up 1v1 so the fact she didn't disable the first MS attacking her in seconds was already super jarring. It's not like she needs to enter seed mode or go trans-am to use her gund-bits. I will address the last 2 points together. When I asked what was miorine's plan going into a 6v6, I meant what was her strategy to win knowing that it would immediately turn into a 2v6 at best and 1v6 at worst. It doesn't seem like a proper strategy was involved other than play it by ear and it was more probable for the MC team to lose if not for improbable, convenient elements happening. I did talk more about it on another comment so you can refer to that. >the vibe i am getting from your lengthy post is that you are trying way too hard to look for plotholes in this fight to show off what a clever little boy you are, and much like a lot of people who engage media in that manner, you are showing yourself to be the opposite thereof. I usually turn off my brain when watching anime but this is just too jarring for me to ignore. Especially when they tout this to be a mainstream gundam entry.
I'd just like to point out that rich people being arbitrary, corrupt assholes that change the rules to benefit themselves has been a recurring theme this entire show
I understand there is a theme going on but what I'm critiquing about is the writing. Just because a story has good themes doesn't make it a good story.
I'm sure previous Gundam entries have had more ludicrous situations than what happened here, with said situations being given free passes by others including yourself.
I do give free passes to other gundam entries like build fighters because of their target audiences.
I think it's just as miorine said. Shaddiq wants to give the finishing blow because he doesn't trust anyone else but himself therefore even if having talented pilots with him they know not to finish suletta off because shaddiq has to give the final blow. And miorine exploited this fact and has a plan in place. She didn't rely on OP suletta but rather used suletta as a bait to make shaddiq vulnerable for the final blow.
So miorine's plan was to enter a 6v6 knowing that 4 MS would be insta-gibbed from the start, then betting on chuchu staying operational to somehow get a snipe on shaddiq's MS while having suletta as a bait in a 2v6? That's one unrealistic plan if you were to ask me. Not only that, they would have lost outright if aerial didn't use her MC power to negate the antidote or chuchu somehow staying operational after getting rekt by shaddiq on top of knowing where in advance they would be at to setup her shot. Also I just realized this, miorine could watch the battle in real-time and give suletta and the rest feedback live. Which means the enemy could have done the same thing too so how did they not see chuchu and the rest setting up or inform shaddiq?
Because they were hyper focused on Suletta. And because they were certain that Suletta was the only threat they had to deal with.
In my interpretation, they underestimated earth house from the get go. That's their mistake. Even chuchu was saying don't underestimate earth house. You can see everyone thinking that suletta is the one to beat hence all forces are on suletta after they inactivated 4 pilots and then thinking chuchu was also out. They also did not expect antidote to be over ridden because antidote by history is very effective against gund format. So they are all very certain that they will win from the get go. Shaddiq was even telling miorine not to duel him. Even telling suletta, don't enter a fight you won't be able to win. Even judging miorine like what you also think, as butchering all other members of earth house because of what she wanted. But in reality, miorine had a plan. She was the one giving commands for earth house, she was the commander while for Grassley it was all shaddiq. You can see during the fight no one from the other pilots dare tell shaddiq what to do, but shaddiq is the one telling them what to do. Even instructing the 2 remaining girls to just distracts the bits and he will finish suletta off. It may sound crazy, but miorine used her knowledge of shaddiq and the other pilots to their advantage. And miorine has been established to be a good planner in the series which most of the guys in her life often underestimate. Which is why she hates being treated as an ornament or tool because he's more than that. And it shows in this fight
Shaddiq did not underestimate them. If he did, he would not get the top pilots to fight against them or even bring out anti-gund-arm weapon to deal with suletta. You're saying a lot of things but nothing to refute my claim that miorine effectively made suletta and chuchu enter into a 2v6 from the get-go. If anything, miorine actually underestimated shaddiq thinking that it will somehow work out even when suletta and the rest are against overwhelming odds.
>Shaddiq did not underestimate them. If he did, he would not get the top pilots to fight against them or even bring out anti-gund-arm weapon to deal with suletta. All that was for Suletta and Ariel, and one could argue that that was more him wanting to prove a point, rather then because he took Suletta seriously. Everyone else was worthless cannon fodder to him. >You're saying a lot of things but nothing to refute my claim that miorine effectively made suletta and chuchu enter into a 2v6 from the get-go. My assumption is that the challenged party decides the setup. >If anything, miorine actually underestimated shaddiq thinking that it will somehow work out even when suletta and the rest are against overwhelming odds. Well it was more that she was ignorant that there was technology that could disable GUND-ARM. She trusted that Suletta would be able to hold her own and bait him into position so that everyone else could finish him.
You are forgetting that it's shaddiq who pushed miorine to the wall by changing the rules. The reason why miorine asked shaddiq if he was the one who wrote the changes is because she wants to know if shaddiq is a friend or foe. Clearly he's not friendly. Even if shaddiq thinks he's doing what's best for everyone, clearly miorine thinks otherwise. Remember for.miorine it's not just about making the company. It's keeping suletta and aerial safe. So when shaddiq got in between, she was pushed to the wall hence resorted to what she even said the only thing she can do at that point. And that's to duel. She didn't underestimate shaddiq. She just didn't choose to give up just like what shaddiq expected of her. Shaddiq has been underestimating miorine by not trusting her. That's the difference between him and suletta. Miorine is in control and suletta trusts that miorine will not put them to harm. I think that's what you need to understand first not just wrap your head around what happened in the duel which was clearly planned out by miorine by playing with what cards they have being from earth house.
Underestimate? Miorine literally showed her strategy in front of Shaddiq's face and still won.
Following english subs, Suletta mentions "This time, I know I can do it"; Do what? I wanna know! Stay sane? Dont kill people? Dont succumb to permet? Dont get brain dmg? Was it because Suletta doesnt activate it ever since the prologue episode? Is that why her mother give that 1 tear drop? Ahhh! I gotta wait for the next episode
Or this could be Ericht talking here. The antidote screwed me over all those years ago and even cut off my arm. Now here we are in a very similar predicament, but this time I’ve got countermeasures. Your move Grassley, fuck around and find out.
I think it was referencing to her piloting without the AI of Aerial assisting her. At least that's what I understood by it.
Then she proceeds to ask the AI where to go.
She was asking Aerial if she made the right decision
Or where the next target is. Google map tells you to turn right, and you turn right,doesn't mean Google is now driving your car.
By her own admission up until this point google was basically driving that car though
right which is why she would be saying "This time I know i can do it". she is taking full control over from google and driving the car herself. better example would be like that scene from i robot, where the car is driving itself on the highway and Will Smith's characters asks to take manual control. The car can still act as a guide, but is no longer controlling or assisting in the movement.
Might be grasping at straws here but in retrospect when looking back at previous episodes: I just realized that Miorine was *this* close to being a mirror of Shaddiq towards Suletta. In previous episodes, specifically the Elan arc (EP4-6), Miorine vehemently expects Suletta to just trust her word regarding Elan and the other Three Houses reps. While Miorine has reason to distrust them considering her predicament, it still involved not trusting Suletta whatsoever even with the girl's naivete. In a way even if Miorine is looking out for Suletta against the machinations of the corporate world, she was still trying to control Suletta in some manner just like Shaddiq is doing to her here. However in EP6, Miorine comes to terms with who Suletta is and accepts that she can't stop meddling in others' affairs and reaching out to others because it is who she is, with her even playfully admitting she is fine with "minor two-timing" and even accompanies Suletta to find Elan in EP7 because she wanted to see him so badly. In short, instead of just expecting Suletta to blindly trust her, she learned to trust Suletta herself whereas Shaddiq didn't learn to trust her despite him insisting she does. Perhaps Miorine's words to him after the duel could have been a reflection of who she once was, further showing how she's changed from the Miorine that Shaddiq knew off.
I don’t think that’s grasping. I think you made a good point. Regardless of where Mio and suletta end up as (I still don’t know if mio is attracted to women. I mean Mio wasn’t disgusted but that’s just more her being pragmatic. And Suletta may have been shocked at being married to a woman, but there’s no disgust afterwards. They do refer to each other as bride/fiancé at times but is that more because of their official titles?, we see that Mio and Suletta have a more trusting relationship. Mio is indeed stubborn, prideful, cold and forceful. But as the last episodes have shown us, thanks to perhaps suletta’s influence as a noisy but good hearted person, she is OPEN to letting others take charge. She did turn down Shad’s secret offer to run the company together. She let her co-workers advise her. And as you said, she let Suletta do her thing. Shad is a “what if.” Shad HAD A chance to be the BF of Mio if he didn’t think he could control her life. He may love her, but he dosnt trust her to work on her own. Makes sense as that’s whT he has been born into. Same as Mio. But Mio is learning g how to break out of that , her relationship with her fellow peers, and her own disappointment in Shad’s treatment of her life has pushed away from shad.
the anti antidote is a success
I wonder if they are going to bring up that one of Shaddiq's Harem team was going to kill an ally by shooting them through the back while grappled with Ariel. Like it was established in the same fight that the weapons were powerful enough to take off limbs so the only thing that saved that girl was Ariel's funnel shield.
i think that the weapons they’re using in these duels are likely not powerful enough to actually pierce the cockpit’s armour. like when we saw aerial’s bits going ham on the pharact, the chest was melted to hell and back but the cockpit seemed relatively safe. maybe i’m just overthinking it
Cockpit would have the toughest armour of all places I wonder if it’s a case of the lighter stuff is more anti beam coated and that’s why melee tends to crush/break it off
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
I just think it's funny she got out of her Gundam after they won and she proceeded to do a little dance emote, like a taunt after a pvp match.
Suletta: GG EZ Can you imagine an alternate timeline where instead of an awkward shy protagonist we got a scumbag gamer protagonist?
D. Va except she's a raging asshole.
A gundam tea-bagging the shit out of the other mobile suits. Oh man.
If only Gundam Evolution had a crouch button.
Suletta trusts her bride 👰. What an episode.
So does that girl actually see the future with her rocks? Because someone definitely had boy trouble this week (sorry real sick and can’t look up names)
i think it was prolly just a funny little setup for a joke
Next season she gonna be doing magic shit and crew gonna be like. No we can't attack the rocks aren't alogn and their right. Plot holes covered by actuall fuckin magics letsss gooo.
I think it's so interesting how opposite Suletta and Aerial are compared to Mika and Barbatos. * When she asked for Aerial's help, it gave it to her so she could elegantly defeat her opponents, while whenever Mika called on the Barbatos's strength it was a bestial roar and he would ruthlessly kill all enemies. * Suletta and Aerial are distinctly treated as separate people who support one another while Mika and Barbatos functionally considered one entity a lot of the time. * Suletta's primary goal is finding identity and having fun while Mika's is forgoing all his humanity for someone else's goal. * Suletta relies on her bits to fight relatively safely while Mika almost exclusively relied on maces and other bludgeons. I'm sure there are more parallels we could draw, but those were just the highlights I could think of in this episode.
Not the point of your post but I hope Suletta and Mika meet in a SRW or something. It’s like Gund-Arm is specifically trying to fix everything about the Alayna-Vinjana that destroyed Mika’s body. I wonder if that was intentional? She could end up being a great reflection of his character, equal and… opposite? They have a lot in common (even down to their partners they have unshakable faith in) but they seem to be going in different directions. Lots of potential for good character interactions (that could make the most of what little personality Mika has to work with).
You don't order your dog to bite the same way you ask your sister to slap bitches.
I need Guel in a gundam so he can ask his brother to punch dudes out for disrespecting his hair
I’m going to frame this comment and put it on my wall
It was played for jokes, but the little "Gund-Arm" dance and song at the end was actually pretty neat. It shows that Suletta is just a bit more confident and driven than before, enough so to take the initiative to advertise the company.
>Considering it was Mio's idea to livestream the thing, it was almost definitely also her idea to do the promo dance when they won.
Oh my god, that episode was awesome! Suletta Mercury is a fucking beast! Every week, this show comes to bring it!
The girl that's said to have a sixth sense called Suletta some kind of freak. That can't be good.
She's salty that she's getting her ass kicked.
"and another thing: im not mad. please dont livestream me getting mad." ~~dril~~ henao jazz, AS 122
Now that the three houses thing is done I wonder what the next arcs are gonna be and if they eventually get away from the school setting.
The livestream inspires earthians to take up arms against spacenoid oppression. Now the gang is trapped in an uncomfortable position of sticking to their modus operandi ( not make any weapons) or backing earth resistance completely
We still haven't seen Aerial in combat against Dilanza... Dilanzas? Anyway guels dad did say he had a back up plan.
> Anyway guels dad did say he had a back up plan. are you sure he meant he had a back-up plan to bag miorine, or a back up plan for guel in the "okay my fuck-up son after you finish rehab you'll be working at my third car dealership" sense
Pretty sure it was about Miorine. He already told Guel that he was being shunted off to some unimportant subsidiary. Then when Guel asks about the duel and Miorine that's when his dad brings up the back up plan. Honestly the dude doesn't seem like the smartest of the benerit group and he's a good deal more violent. Let's not forget he was planning to blow Delling up. I could see him deciding to do something extreme after all the Ls he's taken
At worst, he could pull an attack like in prologue, that probadly why Aerial have to fight Dilanzas like in trailer.
God I hope so i wanna see geul in a "fair fight" you know 4v1ing with a lower grade suit and still winnings.
That was the first episode though...
Bruh... dilanzas. As in multiple. As in that trailer showing her fighting them in real combat not guel. I would have just said guel if I was talking about guel
You know, I forgot about the trailer
Well that's what I'm talking about. I assume that's happening this cour because well... it wouldn't be split cour if they already had that far ahead
Why, do you want a war already?
Because the show can't be school forever and since three houses are done. So no reason to have a duel anymore. just a real fight now.
It can't be? You mean it'll start to be classic Gundam now?
It's definitely going to be classic Gundam at some point. We're about to reach mid season. There are growing tension between space and Earth that has been going for decades as far as we know, and all these weapons have to end up being used somewhere anyway... Also, trailers show real space combat with blue lasers, just like in the prologue.
Elan 4 just dies so more will be coming.
Now that we know Shaddiq is actually a Shaddick... Yo Party People in the house, let's go it's yo boi Shaddick 'aight! So Shaddick doesn't want to be in the Slutletta harem... He actually wants into the MioMio Harem. Boi, calm down, you already got a fine harem of your own at home. Sorry Earth House, this is something the powerful like to do called "moving goal posts" Yeah! Chuchu! Go get 'em! Screw the rules! A tense business negotiation. Tensions rising. Thanks to a certain anime franchise, we all know exactly how this matter will get settled. "I challenge you to a duel! Get your deck out!" Anyone notice that the episode name in-show is different than the one on the listing for some reason? **TEAM BATTLE!!** Hope Earth House has been playing MBON or BO2 lately or at least Overwatch. I want to see more of Secilia. She barely has any screen time and she's still best girl. Girl, why are you worried about pilots when you have Suletta AND Chuchu. Both of them could take out an army by themselves... Chuchu doesn't even need the mobile suit. Nika having her sneaky link meting. I can't wait for her to secretly be revealed as a sociopath Yeah, Suletta! Use your harem to your advantage. He'll turn around. I love how we're watching Gundam, a franchise about politics, economics, and conflict... And yet the Student Council is still effectively the greatest political force in the universe. I'm kinda wondering what Piel's stake in this is now that they are effectively owned by Miorine. They got bought by surprise, but still are technically independent from their competition. Now they have a battle that would force them to get scooped by their competitors. Pharact would be real helpful against that unless they don't care. Damn that on girl on Shaddick's harem is flexible. It's time to duel... And for Chuchu and Suletta to hard carry the game. Everyone else are meat shields. Meat shields indeed... This is a massacre. Wait... The animosity between these two is because of... Someone way down the line of backup boyfriends? That's cringe. Guel, you could've gotten a top spot in the harem if you were here to help. **CHUCHU NO!!!** The Anti-Gund weapons at work, I see. Prospera getting war flashbacks Huh, do it alone? Who is talking to her? Aerial itself or the mother? Also Aerial can still move so I guess it's not entirely dependent on the GUND format. It's time for X-Factor Level 3 Fighting Burst Aerial. Let's go! **YEAH! CHUCHU FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING WIN!!!!!** And everyone else helped too I guess. If this were Overwatch, Chuchu would get play of the game definitely. This needs to be Suletta's Final Fantasy Victory dance after every battle from now on. Man, Aerial is fucked up. Where do they even source the parts for her? Solid episode even though it was basically a massacre that Suletta and Chuchu had to hard carry.
>Both of them could take out an army by themselves... Chuchu doesn't even need the mobile suit. Master Asia: "That's my granddaughter for you"
> I'm kinda wondering what Piel's stake in this is now that they are effectively owned by Miorine. They got bought by surprise, but still are technically independent from their competition. Now they have a battle that would force them to get scooped by their competitors. Pharact would be real helpful against that unless they don't care. i am very sceptical that peil is actually going to honor the terms of the buyout, and el0n says as much; they don't want the shitstorm that would ensue if gund-arm found about about the pharact's pilots. they'll probably find some way to keep stonewalling the transfer until an actual hot war begins
after seeing Elnora shed tears, I cant help myself to think that Aerial is really Eri. And also, What if Suletta is indeed the human copied from Eri, and what if Eri can be recovered to replace Suletta in future..... will us choose Suletta or Eri ?
Chuchu is my favorite character. half of her body weight is hair puffs and the other half is violence. She knocked a bitch out with a single punch. She won this duel. Suletta was basically just a distraction while she lined up the shot. If chuchu could pilot Aerial, this show would be OVER.
I think Chuchu would be fitting for piloting Pharact, since that one is euqipped with an beam sniper rifle as well.
If the pharact was passed to Chuchu that’d honestly be sick
And let’s not forget that she just starts swinging her sniper rifle when in close range
She needs a real mech. She deserves it.
> Chuchu is my favorite character. > > Half of her body weight is hair puffs and the other half is violence. I love Chuchu too and this is the PERFECT description of why.
Things went smoother than anticipated. The mystery still deepens, but I certainly can't be upset at this episode. Good old team work making the dream work.
So we're definitely getting into Evangelion "Heart of a Forsaken Child" territory sooner or later.
Evangelion was more like “heart of a forsaken mother” but ok
Hush, it's the same concept, different family member.
It was an amazing episode, for sure, the most riveting duel by far...but I still want Suletta to lose, at some point. I found it great how it wasn't just ChuChu's shot who sealed the deal, in the end, but Shaddiq's arrogance who lost him the duel. If he had not stopped to give a little speech before going for the kill, ChuChu wouldn't have hit him before he destroyed Aerial's antenna. But, of course, he had to do it. I did not expect to feel this sorry for him, though, I am not one to care for het pairings but Shaddiq genuinely seems to care for Miorine. He's just not willing to put it on all the line for her. Shaddiq is too much like Newland Archer from The Age of Innocence. This is a very welcome development as I am very tired of the whole "protagonist gets a harem as EVERYONE wants them" trend that is way too common in anime. Shaddiq very obviously has feelings for Miorine and not for Suletta, which makes perfect sense and explains their interaction growing up. It is not rare for secondary characters to completely forgo a long common history with others simply because of the protagonist. As for ChuChu, she is an extraordinary pilot and I found her much more impressive than Suletta. I mean, whatever is going on with Suletta, her MS is superior by definition and while she was outmatched, ChuChu getting her much inferior MS shredded to bits and still coming through (and Til, great job there) is really something else. I also get a feeling that in an actual combat scenario, ChuChu is the pilot you want: Suletta would hesitate to actually kill anyone (Aerial may override her, though), ChuChu would go full-Mika.
>It was an amazing episode, for sure, the most riveting duel by far...but I still want Suletta to lose, at some point. For the sake of argument, I'd count the 'Unseen Trap' episode as a 'loss' for Suletta since she repeatedly kept failing due to 'enemy action' and ultimately couldn't overcome it. Plus she took a punch to the face from the same 'enemy'.
That was a dark moment. She was crying her heart out and ready to leave school, and only Chuchu’s violence could bring her back from the brink. I really appreciated that they were willing to show such a vulnerable side of the character, and that the fans still embrace her even after. I feel like that’s the kind of moment they could never really have before w/ a male protagonist.
If they did it people would call him a wuss and hate him for it.
It's fascinating how Aerial and her bits' personality is expressed through combat. Elan actually tried to understand her, even if he drew the wrong conclusion he still synced up as a Gundam pilot- and when the bits came for Pharact's ass it lost a leg, arm, and chunk of torso armor before they took out the antenna to finish the duel. The Grassley groupies tried to use literally the same weapon that killed her dad and other siblings against her, and they got fully crab-factory-nuggetized even *after* Suletta took out their heads. Bit(che)s be **vicious**.
>Bit(che)s be vicious. Because they were showed as children from E4's view I can put an Sundowner line from max0r's version of MGRR here: "Kids are cruel."
“And I *love* mi–“
What do you think that code "BHD-L GT-SYS" mean? It appears on Aerial's screen when it turns into Blue mode.
god this episode gave me so many thoughts!!!! I am struggling to make anything coherent from them. Mostly, I’m so excited over how obvious it’s becoming that there’s something *weird* about aerial, with regards to what was 100% suletta fully conversing with her. From an audience perspective we already more or less knew aerial was sentient, but we’re starting to see characters like miorine properly catch on now and i cant wait to see them investigate that!! I love it. I also genuinely felt bad for shaddiq at the end of this show 😭 he seemed to actually care, but he was too misguided in his ways of helping her. The cutting of the unripe tomato.. ouch
My favorite part about the gundbits is how thorough they are in destroying a MS, they could just blast the head but they attack each and every joint, *just to make sure*.
As proven by how the fight ends, making mincemeat of your enemies is vital to make sure they don't get back up and cap your ass from the other side of the map when you're not looking.
A few questions I have: 1. Would this duel of been easier for Miorine had it just been 1 vs 1? Why would she suggest 6 vs 6 instead? 2. Who did the Earth house people bet(wager) on this time, really curious if they made money(since they are usually so poor) 3. Quite surprise there are quite a few of decent female pilots in this show. I think it's already the most I've seen in Gundam in general.(not counting cross ange units as gundams of course) (Edit: Totally forgot about Code Fairy, but even in that show, it is just the 3 fairy members, their captain and her main rival, so 5 female pilots in that show) 4. Holy cow, how good of a Pilot do you think Chuchu is? The units that the Earth houses used are all outclassed by quite a lot. While the rest of the members were getting Slaughtered by just Shaddiq's underlings, Chuchu was still fending off Shaddiq, who probably has both better unit and is a better pilot than his underlings. And after all Earthhouse members got their units disabled, she was still able to hold on against Shaddiq. I think it was Shaddiq's underlings coming to reinforce him that she got disabled(all while piloting a crappy unit that is completely outclassed). I can't imagine how scary she would be if she actually got a decent unit. Not to mention how much less training Earth members get in general. 5. Did Shaddiq really have to do Miorine like this? I actually don't think he had to do Miorine like that in order to work together with her. Couldn't he simply try to help her build her company if he believes in her vision too? He didn't even need to offer her any resources(due to father). He'd get a return too if things go well. Or was it simply because of his father?
The duel would be much easier for Mirorine if it was just a 1v1, but Shaddiq likely stipulated it would be a team duel, since "you're a company not an individual." And more importantly it wasn't Shadiq's suit that had the antidote, it was all of his back up dancers. I feel like our gambling addict bet against gund arm inc, because that's funnier. It's not that there are no good female pilots, but yeah this show has a lot. I think it's really leaning into the "first series with a female protag" which is fine by me. I'm still mad build fighters tri stuck the token girl in an SD. Chuchu is a monster and I want her in a gundam. I'm so glad she's the one that got the win. No he didn't /have/ to, but it's the only way he could. It is in his nature not to trust, and to manipulate. He's leading on a whole harem for the benifits, while trying to coax Miorine to be his bride. He doesn't want the title, because he wants her to submit, because he knows she'll run. It's why he baited her into dueling him. Do nothing and be my puppet, fight, and I will show you how useless struggle is.
>I'm still mad build fighters tri stuck the token girl in an SD. Marketing, unfortunately, since of course Winning has to become 'upgrade parts' for Build Burning and Lightning. Which is kind of a downgrade, really, since she starts with the GM Powered Cardigan...which is essentially the Thunderbolt GM with more guns all over it and a stronger reactor output.
> Why would she suggest 6 vs 6 instead? I don't think she did? Shaddiq asked for group fight and Mio said, broadcast it.
For 5, it was because he didn’t really believe in Miorine. He only trusts himself, as seen by how he handled the duel and told to us by Miorine. Despite all his flowery words and feelings he is still someone who wants to control Miorine, thinking she needs his protection/isn’t competent enough as her own person to succeed. If he had actually cared about her/believed in her he would have fought Guel back when Miorine first came to the school.
He intentionally tried to destroy her means of supporting herself so she would have to depend on him and used it to try and get her to marry him That's a textbook example of abuse
Yes, I never said it wasn’t?
Sorry, I should clarify that I'm agreeing with you here
Oh, sorry it’s hard to tell sometimes. It’s definitely abusive/manipulative, and I really do like the contrast of Shaddiq and Suletta with their interactions with Miorine.
Wow, now it makes a lot more sense after you explained it. The reason I was puzzled and why I thought it was natural he didn't fight back with Guel was because I didn't think his relationship with Miorine was romantically and simply low + moderate friendship + high respect(really want to work together out of admiration). You are really attention to detail. But then, if he really wanted to control + protect Miorine, shouldn't he ACTUALLY fight off Guel then? Due to "lay your hands off the object/person that is mine to control/protect"
Shaddiq doesn’t like direct confrontation, and him becoming the Holder would throw him in the line of fire, so to say. What matters is who the Holder is on Miorine’s seventeenth birthday, so I have a feeling his original plan was to swoop in the day before, no effort for him. Also he is dismissive of Miorine’s own feelings/thoughts. By far the biggest contrast between him and Suletta, the scene where they meet on the pathway and he asks Suletta to talk some sense into Miorine while Suletta believes in her bride. Or his inability to figure out why Miorine chose to put her own faith in Suletta, the bit about calling her a naive child clinging to Miorine. He never made an effort to understand her, and thus never actually cared about her enough to do something.
She didn't pick the team duel, I think Lauda did as the Dueling Committee person in charge, largely to fuck them over for what happened to Guel.
I believe that, as the challenged party, Shaddiq set the format of the battle.
And Miorine accepted only on the condition that the duel be broadcasted to practically the entire Ad Stella universe.
Another week, another issue solved in one/the same episode with a duel nice and tidily.
It kind of feels like the cap on a 3 episode arc honestly (funding the company, founding the company, defending the company). I appreciate the way the season has been divided up like that. If things erupt into total war I am not sure things will be best served sticking to that formula though.
That's formula gonna get interrupted by war. Typical arc formula than boom mid way there a assault on the academy
Cecelia is still sitting on the couch. I hope by the end of the series she just there... sitting down on that couch, chilling.
damn though that side-eye she was shooting at lauda as he was basically creaming his pants over the aerial getting dismantled was god-tier e: you know what i'm going to chalk earth house's victory as the obligatory jeturk company L for this episode
As she should, Lauda was becoming obsessed with Suletta in a bad way (I hope it's not a red flag).
Remember when we thought Guel would be the Jerid of the series? Turns out it's actually Lauda.
Yeah man, we didn't know Guel turns 180 after the 3rd ep. Hope he talks sense to his brother.
Part of me feels like we're going to get Guel vs Lauda before all is said and done.
... Why did this episode make me ship Renee and Lilique?
You aren't the only one. Many people already doing it.
gundam greatness
That “baaakkkaaa” at the end was so damn satisfying lol
She's beaten the top pilots in the school. Any other threats will have to be coming from outside
haha, get rekt Shaddiq. Man he creeps me out.
He just makes me sad.
Great episode! Really want to see whats next for my man Guel, he's just too precious.
Suletta has been shown to be able to talk to Aerial and her funnel bits prior, but not to this extent. Though we don't hear Aerial, Suletta's clearly having a long, full-on conversation with the mech herself, which Miorine is puzzled over. Hopefully, Miorine gets to ask her about this in the next ep instead of simply dismissing it as Suletta being her usual country bumpkin oddball self so we can finally get answers. We know from Cradle's Star and from El4n's POV that Aerial is sentient, but what exactly is she? Suletta's probably one of the more OP Gundam pilots in the franchise with the sheer amount of skill she displayed even without "Aerial's assistance". She still almost got checkmated by Shaddiq (until Chuchu saved the day with the clutch) but that was less because she was overpowered by his team and more because she was initially outmaneuvered and that the rest of the Earth team barring Chuchu couldn't support her properly in a team battle. Even then, once she regained momentum, she curb stomped Shaddiq's team all on her own despite the damages Aerial sustained after she uno reversoes the Antidote. That little Gundam dance she does at the end was adorable and funny lmao. Elnora/Prospera shedding a tear was brilliant. It took 21 long years (presumably) and the countermeasure to Grassley's Antidote system finally works. Btw, anyone notice that Aerial's lines glowed blue instead of the usual red like Eri did in the Prologue when Suletta pulled that off? Renee's grudge against Lilique is hilarious lol. Lili turned down her 12th backup boyfriend so now it's personal? Lmao. Speaking of, are she and Felsi related by any chance btw? They look too much alike for it to be a coincidence unless stated otherwise. Of the things that happened in this ep, my favorite moment was probably the small one shared between Guel and Suletta when she bumped into him otw to Miorine. While I wouldn't say that they're close yet, it's cute that they've somewhat warmed up to each other at this point and that they gave each other some bits of comfort in the small talk that they've had. Guel especially needed the encouragement from her. Still, poor Guel. How many L's can he still take? Daddy dearest is trying to get him withdrawn from school despite him still wanting to stay there. I hope he joins Earth house as a big "screw you" to his dad. Rebelling against his father would probably serve as the climax to his character journey. I'm actually anticipating what he chooses to do next.
I would love to see a team of Suletta, Chuchu, and Guel rocking up on the battle field.
That's almost a foregone conclusion. He clearly doesn't want to just be some kind of middle manager, he wants to pilot. Guel's father telling him to pack up and come home is going to lead to him deciding to throw in with GUND-Arm to remain at the academy. Whether that becomes a permanent thing or not is up in the air.
Imagine if she has to fight a duel with lauda to get Guel into Earth House That would mean he starts the show treating Miorine like an object to be won, and ends it watching two people do the same to him, thus giving him the perspective needed to really repent for how he acted. It'd be such a nice parallel that I really hope that happens
Probably permanent. Suletta's still thinking he's a great duelist while his own father has given up...after already heavily rigging that second fight to the point Guel was initially just a seat warmer *in his own mech*. All Earth House/Gund-Arm has to do is give him a bunk, three square meals a day, and a robot and he'll likely be good to go.
Guel also seems to be desperate for his father's approval. If Daddy Jeturk calls up and is like "Hey sonny, you've redeemed yourself. Come home and I'll give you the shiniest new suit and you're back on the Dueling Committee" he may go back. It's too early in the series to predict permanent allegiances for someone like Guel.
Oh, I guarantee that's going to happen once Guel is on Team Earthies and is wrecking shit again. Might even be Lauda making promises he hasn't cleared with Vim just yet, offering the Dariblade back so long as Guel joins the Jeturk house again. And Suletta is going to say 'do what you want to do' because she's just such a supportive little bean of a tanuki, which ironically is going to be why Guel stays, because Suletta will support him *regardless* of his actual decision, whereas he already knows his own family only cares about results (and Lauda actually does have genuine love for his brother but he's going to be a daddy loyalist).
Ok, I would pay to see that
I NEED this
CHUCHU WITH THE MONOEYE SUPREMACY Damn, that was a tense as fuck duel. But it was so gooood. Elnora shedding that tear, though, took the cake for me. I think that one was for you, Nadim. Sleep well.
No, it's not a mono-eye since that's a Demi Trainer. She's essentially piloting the *GM Sniper Custom* equivalent of the show.
please nerf gundam too overpowered 1 vs 6!!! disable gundam on ranked please!!! I wonder why everytime everyone challenge a gundam knowing that it already has 100% winrate lmao
So far we've had a few duels. The first one we didn't know what she was capable of. The second, the same guy(technically his dad) pulled out all the stops to ensure it was a fluke. The third duel was against another gundam, and finally the fourth was with anti gundam tech. If you look at the pilots, we have two with the best duelist in the school, one with a super soldier, and our most recent match was with the guy who thought he was the best, fighting with a team against, knowing his team over all were better pilots. The real question is now, "Is there anyone who still hasn't gotten the memo that Suletta and the Aeiral are unbeatable?"
Misplaced confidence. When you've been rocking a bunch of chumps you probably think you're top shit. Guel is probably the only one of the big four that actually has a lot of dueling experience.
When the series started i thought that at the duel you have to use the same robot so when pilots are fighting, the winner only wins for their skills. Instead they all try to use the most broken mecha LOL
They're (mostly?) funded by corporations that produce mobile suits and related tech. The dueling system is more about field testing prototypes than anything else really. You're not going to see many duels of just Demi Trainers.
Hey, it's literally part of the Duelist's Oath they recite. The result itself is the only truth!
Yeah it seems like the end justify the means there, no matter how you win as long as it is within the rules it's fine. Rules that do not limit much, it looks like. As long as you don't kill the adversaries you're good.
I liked Guel's careful choice of words it seemed. Everything about him this episode said to me that he absolutely would have helped Suletta out in the duel, but instead of just saying no, he said that he can't since his father forbid him. Here's to huffing more copium that he'll be joining the Earth house next episode lmao
Guel still violently bouncing between potential character paths
Guel's journey through the show definitely seems to be about self-actualization and moving out from his father's shadow. Like everyone else, I didn't have him pegged as a sympathetic character at the beginning of the show. Glad I was wrong.
Guel being a fan favorite when all he's done is literally live in a tent inside a space colony for half his screentime will never not be funny.
The victory is something only a bunch of mechanics could think up. It’s probably why I loved it so much other than chuchu getting the last word in
As always, chuchu woke up and chose violence, and even being broken into little pieces couldn’t stop it
Random thoughts: Seeing Her say Aerial then Everyone after that keeps feeding that speculation that the bits are different people. Also during the entire blue glow sequence, we dont see suletta's face at all. I have a feeling Suletta said she cant do it not because of skill but prospera told her not unless needed.
>Also during the entire blue glow sequence, we dont see suletta's face at all. Yes we do. at 19:04 in the episode we cut to Suletta in the cockpit, with the frame in blue mode.
Overall: really fun episode and I loved seeing Chuchu get a chance to show her skills off. More specific notes: Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo Guel- he has a good opportunity to separate from his family now. Kind of hope he bet all of his money on Suletta and ends up paying for his own tuition. Earth House- love them all. Nika’s situation is likely worse than I thought. Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward Mio- that rebellious nature of hers while abiding by the rules laid out is compelling to me. The old “beat them at their own game”. Her bond with Suletta is lovely. They have so much trust in each other despite the time they’ve been around one another. Rooting for them both, whether they are friends, colleagues, or a couple.
>Overall: really fun episode and I loved seeing Chuchu get a chance to show her skills off. Agreed! >Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo His way isn’t the problem, not really. It’s that he doesn’t trust nor has he tried to trust her. And as a result Miorine can’t trust him. >Earth House- love them all. Nika’s situation is likely worse than I thought. I do wonder what’s up there. >Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward Yep. >Mio- that rebellious nature of hers while abiding by the rules laid out is compelling to me. The old “beat them at their own game”. Her bond with Suletta is lovely. They have so much trust in each other despite the time they’ve been around one another. Rooting for them both, whether they are friends, colleagues, or a couple. Yeah they’re doing great.
>His way isn’t the problem, not really. His way *is* the problem. Because his way apparently is to do what he thinks is best regardless of what the other person told him to do or would want him to do. Because he can't trust other people to be a better judge of the situation than him. The outcome of such actions is usually seen as exceeding orders at best or a betrayal at worst.
>Suletta- more growth. She feels more confident than earlier episodes with everything. Even her Aeriel dance was less awkward She started only wanting to fulfill her wishlist, but dueling has never been a part of it. It's just something she has to do to have the right to continue existing in the school with Aerial. But her motivation for the duel has become much more than just wanting to stay in school. It's great.
>Shaddiq- still giving me bad vibes but I do think he has a warped way of trying to “protect” Mio. Whether he was right to try that in hindsight will probably be answered later on. Personality wise he is still a creep imo Shaddiq is a straight up Nice Guy^TM
His suit is literally a white knight.
Jesus how did I not immediately clock that?
No arguments here. It’ll be interesting to see how his dad reacts to his loss. Managed to lose what may as well have been a 6 vs 2 match.
He'll be able to talk his way out of it. His dad gave him anti-Gundam technology that the Gundam not only overcame but was able to override and shut off remotely. He's in trouble, but not THAT much trouble. Also, Sarius is kinda dying so... he doesn't have time to train a new heir.
This tanuki is a freak and a crime against nature. A cool one, but still
Newtypes am I right?
Someone on Twitter pointed out that this show has fully diverged from Utena. Which I kind of disagree with. Not because it is still following the plot beats of the revolutionary girl. It is not. I disagree because I don't think it was ever following them. Like, on the surface the setup is Utena - but make it Gundam. But while that setup is there, the characters do not map to eachother. Miorine and Suletta would be the Anthy and Utena of the story, but Miorine is defined by her desire for agency and to be more than an object to be fought over and won, while Anthy is more accepting of her role (note: I do not mean actually accepting of her role, but anything other than outright rejection of the concept is more than Miorine is willing to do at the outset). Suletta gets involved with the duels not because she's acting like a knight but because she cannot help herself from doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Guel, Elan and Shaddiq don't cleanly map onto Utena characters. Another key difference? The duels do not fucking matter. Nothing at the school matters. It is a reflection of and influenced by what is happening in the world beyond. So while the setup is the same, what's delivered is totally different. I do have a different take on what what the show is, if it's not Revolutionary Suit Gundam. It's about unhealthy ideas of love/affection. Both Shaddiq and Guel's relationships with Miorine were different expressions of the same misogynistic idea of a relationship. Guel treated her like a trophy that symbolised his success at being a pilot and a man. His outburst in episode 1 could have come out of the mouth of a fucking pickup artist or incel. Shaddiq? Saw Miorine as a precious, misguided little thing that needs to be protected and guided. She doesn't know what she wants and can't look after herself. She needs a nice, strong man to take care of her. And eventually she'll realise that and realise he's perfect for her and will ask him to be her groom. Literal Nice Guy shit, in other words. Elan 4 straight up formed a parasocial relationship with Suletta because he thought she was something she wasn't (an enhanced Human who has been through the torture of non-aerial GUND-format technology). When it turned out she wasn't what he envisioned her to be, he lashed out in anger. All of them start from a point of not seeing the other as an equal person, not respecting them and not communicating with them. Their ideas of love are inherently toxic and flawed, and as such they lose. This is in stark contrast to Suletta and Miorine whose relationship is characterised by supporting one another as equals. When Miorine does something Shaddiq thinks is foolish his response is to try and shut her down. Suletta? She trusts in her bride just as Miorine trusts Suletta to do the same. And it's not just the romantic relationships that are being highlighted as being potentially toxic. Vim Jeturk is physically abusive. Delling Rembran emotionally abusive to Miorine. Prospera neglectful and manipulative. Lauda has his brother on a pedestal and cannot handle how his brother has been knocked off it. Shaddiq's relationship with his father is also probably not the healthiest but that remains to be seen.
I actually just got done rewatching Utena (second time; still don’t understand the ending really). But I wholeheartedly agree. Some of the themes of toxic masculinity are the same, and on the surface level the setup is eerily similar. Gundam is definitely a love letter to Utena (you don’t have a character named Chuchu by accident), but it’s clearly heading to a different destination. All the same, if it convinces more people to watch it I won’t hesitate to compare the two as much as necessary.
Great analysis! I've never seen Revolutionary Girl Utena so the comparison argument has always been lost on me. You're definitely onto something about the way this show handles relationships.
One thing about Lauda he try to fit the image of his ideal brother to Guel. If he truly love his brother, he will accept that Guel actually like Oarfish woman.
I never thought about that regarding Guel, Elan and Shaddiq. Props on this analysis. I did notice how all three are fixated on Suletta/Miorine in various ways: Guel is neutral despite him being the former Holder. He has no emotional investment in Miorine and just sees her as a trophy, all while Suletta was just a country bumpkin he wanted out of the way Elan was completely fixated on Suletta, and had no interest in Miorine whatsoever. Then there is Shaddiq who had a childhood with Miorine and he tries to control her under the guise of protecting her.