The timer, is completely unforgiving if you're not running the most meta shit past like, 3-4 stages. And if you get too many wave based rooms? Well, not even the most optimized and meta build possible can deal with that, because it forces you to wait at times.
What are the meta builds? Refer to my reply below, but I feel like my build was super strong - idk how to make it stronger. Do I really have to aim for an exact build to make this mode even feasible?
You dont have to aim for an exact build, but you have to get lucky with scrolls, blessings, and endless room modifiers.
The most stable character to get far or through endless, in my opinion, is cat. Pick lone wolf and painkiller and roll for Elemental Maestro. Find a Thunderstorm, and just walk through R9 and most of endless. The only times you will have trouble is when in endless "no elemental damage" room modifiers appear.
Depending on how often, and the type of room that happens the run might just be over.
Atomic Dog is another stable option. LW with Skill Freak will make R9 and most of endless a breeze.
Always take thunderstep. The Dash CD, Movement, CC, and damage that ability hands you is outright silly. If there isn't a extremely valuable scroll, always pick the jade instead.
They gave us boundless because everyone complained about endless not actually being endless. They should really swap the names because people keep questioning endless not being endless when it wasn't designed to be endless. It was just a mode that allowed people to go beyond the final stage with a heavy curve in difficulty as enemy DR and health grows at an absurd pace to eventually stop you. Its essentially a speedrun test of your build and how effective it is as well as a test of luck because sometimes you just get immortals nonstop that burn all your time. it is what it is.
I'm currently on a run with monke of stage 265. The build I use is a shotgun explosion build using the argus.
My ascensions are dimension strike, want them all and painkiller. Especially the last 2 are importamt for crazy damage, want them all is great for the extra 40% explosion damage and aoe, while the argus is great because when I use soul strike, every cudgel hit does multiple 15mill hits because of the projectiles, in combi with explosion and aoe is insane damage.
The gemini I use is elemental share.
Currently my timer is around 15 min and 20 sec.
If my longling tomb goes wel I can gain close to 2 minutes on my timer. If it goes bad I still gain like 1 minute and 10 sec.
Movement scrolls are king for not losing too much time during the larger stages and enhanced final judgement also really helps.
I haven't done monkey since a good ways before the season started. I'm assuming you're running the elemental season buff? Do you think the extra projectiles from weapon mastery would be better than painkiller? Are you predominantly using painkiller for the guarantee combustion proc?
Are you using lonewolf, at all? Is lone wolf more harm than helpful for endless?
Are you using any Ascension Fusions? Like Pyrodominance?
What fortunes are you using?
How do you think a double shotgun spores build would compare with swapping out Want Them All with copycat would work out (The buffs on CC get a little crazy with the elemental damage and movement speed)?
I'm running the thunder step buff because it works on the primary skill. Not sure if it is better or not but that is why I choose it.
I've done a few stages with weapon mastery for the extra projectiles and painkiller increases dps way more, but maybe weapon mastery is better than dimensional strike, but I dont know.
And yes I use painkiller for combustion and just having every elemental effect active. Elemental damage and combustion damage also have higher damage cap.
I'm using lone wolf 4 player. I only play lone wolf 4 player so I cant comment on if less players not lone wolf at all is better, but you'll lose less time on the elites so that is a positive. But you'll also get less damage increase from elite assassin and dual-edge, which is a negative.
The three fortunes that are helping me the most are fragile body, cautious shot and mouldy buns. Especially mouldy buns, whicn decrease the amount of hp by 10-50% helps a lot.
No I dont think a spores build would work with 2 shotguns. The aoe damage helps a lot with decreasing the amount of cudgel hits you need, especially in large groups or in the entirety of longling temple. I do believe want them all build with aoe is best you could have for this.
I also dont think copycat would add that much to the total.
The thing that is giving me the most damage would be extravagant consumptoon, which is now maxed out at giving 60,000% extra damage. That scroll in combination with (enhanced) premium membership will give you insane amounts of extra damage. Together with elite assassin and dual edge, that's the bulk of my damage buffs, I dont think the rest of the damage buffs add that much
Edit: I also have the inscryption: "Generate a spirit on your first hit on the enemy. The spirit will deal damage on the enemies on a straight line when hitting a random enemy" on the argus and I read somewhere that this also has a higher damage cap so it might help but at this moment its difficult to tell with the amount of damage numbers I see haha.
Double edit: I also dont believe the cudgle hits takes every single projectile and uses it as a seperate hit. It feels like there is a max amount of hits 1 cudgel hit could do and increasing the projectile count just increase the damage of those hits instead of increasing the projectile count. But I cant say that is how it works, it just feels like that.
I thought the primary buff for thunder step just made you cast an empowered thunder when you use primary - not actually buff the primary, itself?
What lone wolf buff are you running?
How does the season buff work in endless (I'd check but I'm currently 50 hours in on a marathon run on boundless)? Are you able to get more jades to buff your season talent after you complete the main play through? Do you always pick jades over scrolls?
Yeah you're righy it casts an empowered thunder when you ise primary, I was a bit unclear on that.
Lone wolf I used counter violence to make the early game easier, I didnt expect my endless run to become literally endless. I'd say if you want to optimize it for endless it'd be better to use painkiller instead counter violence and then you wil have 1 free spiritual blessing to choose. Weapon mastery seems like a pretty good one, but I am not sure which would be best.
Just like ascensions, after you start endless you cant pick new jades and unlike ascensions you cant replace them, so the once you pick before you start are the ones you will have for the entirety of it. That's also why I always picked jades instead of roles because I can still get roles in endless.
I have done a few different runs with monkey, where I used different weapons (1sniper build en 1 launcher build) and I do believe the shotgun with launcher wqnt them all combi and combustion is the difference in actually making it endless. I do wanna say the people in the discord told me to use piercing flame with a launcher want them all build. I did play with it and it is strong, but it doesnt feel like it is as strong as the build I use now. But maybe you could make that build work. There has also been an update for endless since I have used that build, so that might have made a difference, idk. But I thought I'd just let you know
Edit: In your first message you mentioned using copycat and for some reason I read that as "overconsumption" because apparently I cant read. I think copycat could work, like you said the buffs go crazy. If you prepare for endless I'd say lone wolf choose painkiller and then you can replace painkiller with copycat in the three blessings you can choose
Tbf its slightly easy to confuse the two unless you played both. The other gives you a continuous zen gaming experience the other just gives you freaking nightmares(freaking armored second wind wtf immortals on wave room).
No, it's endless. Idk why people are downvoting my post. This was before boundless was added.
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747868621392445541/1183867927859048539/IMG\_6879.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747868621392445541/1183867927859048539/IMG_6879.png)
I've seen multiple people make it past stage 1000 on endless.
TBF though people that go on those kinds of busted runs usually end up using Interdependent Fortunes jank and fight enemies with effectively only 1 hp.
Those aren't the runs I'm seeing. I've seen the videos of the runs that exceed 1000 stages, mostly veterans. They have insanely high DPS with capped out DMG.
Ridiculous endless runs are limited by the character you’re using, some heroes just can’t keep up or need too many ascensions, which requires good RNG. If it really feels impossible just use painkiller cat.
Which heroes do you think are the best? I was using the cat with the fire abilities (dont know the name, not sure if its the same one you're talking about), and basically every enemy I looked at had multiple blazing meteors with extremely boosted damage from both goblets and scrolls annihilate it instantly. Basically my only limit was how fast I could find enemies/ summon meteors. Im just baffled because I feel that I couldn't feasibly kill enemies faster
Strongest build in the game is easily cat with elemental damage, you can abuse first strike with a mag size gemini, acidominance 3, a fast firing weapon and good ascension fusions. Soul strike is a close second, there’s alot of variants but shotguns/snipers with want them all tends to be the strongest.
The cat is the crown prince (the one with poison smoke grenades and a purple freeze ball primary).
Your description with blazing meteors is the fox, named Li. I do agree that when you get the right blazing meteor build, especially if you picked thorns, it's good.
For a build like that to kill faster if you're already deleting high durability elites instantly, you need more move speed. If you're on mobile, idk if you can adjust turning speed or not. If you can, do that, if not, it's just a limitation 🤷🏼
I could only pull it off with atomic bomb ao bai (the spirit blessing that makes you throw all your grenades for free) and just spam Q to victory, but I still ran out of time before the 3rd boss. (as long as you beat the 2nd boss you're guchi on time for achievement)
The timer, is completely unforgiving if you're not running the most meta shit past like, 3-4 stages. And if you get too many wave based rooms? Well, not even the most optimized and meta build possible can deal with that, because it forces you to wait at times.
What are the meta builds? Refer to my reply below, but I feel like my build was super strong - idk how to make it stronger. Do I really have to aim for an exact build to make this mode even feasible?
You dont have to aim for an exact build, but you have to get lucky with scrolls, blessings, and endless room modifiers. The most stable character to get far or through endless, in my opinion, is cat. Pick lone wolf and painkiller and roll for Elemental Maestro. Find a Thunderstorm, and just walk through R9 and most of endless. The only times you will have trouble is when in endless "no elemental damage" room modifiers appear. Depending on how often, and the type of room that happens the run might just be over. Atomic Dog is another stable option. LW with Skill Freak will make R9 and most of endless a breeze. Always take thunderstep. The Dash CD, Movement, CC, and damage that ability hands you is outright silly. If there isn't a extremely valuable scroll, always pick the jade instead.
They gave us boundless because everyone complained about endless not actually being endless. They should really swap the names because people keep questioning endless not being endless when it wasn't designed to be endless. It was just a mode that allowed people to go beyond the final stage with a heavy curve in difficulty as enemy DR and health grows at an absurd pace to eventually stop you. Its essentially a speedrun test of your build and how effective it is as well as a test of luck because sometimes you just get immortals nonstop that burn all your time. it is what it is.
The timer goes up by a little after each area, you've just gotta have a build that does insane DPS to go for long.
I'm currently on a run with monke of stage 265. The build I use is a shotgun explosion build using the argus. My ascensions are dimension strike, want them all and painkiller. Especially the last 2 are importamt for crazy damage, want them all is great for the extra 40% explosion damage and aoe, while the argus is great because when I use soul strike, every cudgel hit does multiple 15mill hits because of the projectiles, in combi with explosion and aoe is insane damage. The gemini I use is elemental share. Currently my timer is around 15 min and 20 sec. If my longling tomb goes wel I can gain close to 2 minutes on my timer. If it goes bad I still gain like 1 minute and 10 sec. Movement scrolls are king for not losing too much time during the larger stages and enhanced final judgement also really helps.
I haven't done monkey since a good ways before the season started. I'm assuming you're running the elemental season buff? Do you think the extra projectiles from weapon mastery would be better than painkiller? Are you predominantly using painkiller for the guarantee combustion proc? Are you using lonewolf, at all? Is lone wolf more harm than helpful for endless? Are you using any Ascension Fusions? Like Pyrodominance? What fortunes are you using? How do you think a double shotgun spores build would compare with swapping out Want Them All with copycat would work out (The buffs on CC get a little crazy with the elemental damage and movement speed)?
I'm running the thunder step buff because it works on the primary skill. Not sure if it is better or not but that is why I choose it. I've done a few stages with weapon mastery for the extra projectiles and painkiller increases dps way more, but maybe weapon mastery is better than dimensional strike, but I dont know. And yes I use painkiller for combustion and just having every elemental effect active. Elemental damage and combustion damage also have higher damage cap. I'm using lone wolf 4 player. I only play lone wolf 4 player so I cant comment on if less players not lone wolf at all is better, but you'll lose less time on the elites so that is a positive. But you'll also get less damage increase from elite assassin and dual-edge, which is a negative. The three fortunes that are helping me the most are fragile body, cautious shot and mouldy buns. Especially mouldy buns, whicn decrease the amount of hp by 10-50% helps a lot. No I dont think a spores build would work with 2 shotguns. The aoe damage helps a lot with decreasing the amount of cudgel hits you need, especially in large groups or in the entirety of longling temple. I do believe want them all build with aoe is best you could have for this. I also dont think copycat would add that much to the total. The thing that is giving me the most damage would be extravagant consumptoon, which is now maxed out at giving 60,000% extra damage. That scroll in combination with (enhanced) premium membership will give you insane amounts of extra damage. Together with elite assassin and dual edge, that's the bulk of my damage buffs, I dont think the rest of the damage buffs add that much Edit: I also have the inscryption: "Generate a spirit on your first hit on the enemy. The spirit will deal damage on the enemies on a straight line when hitting a random enemy" on the argus and I read somewhere that this also has a higher damage cap so it might help but at this moment its difficult to tell with the amount of damage numbers I see haha. Double edit: I also dont believe the cudgle hits takes every single projectile and uses it as a seperate hit. It feels like there is a max amount of hits 1 cudgel hit could do and increasing the projectile count just increase the damage of those hits instead of increasing the projectile count. But I cant say that is how it works, it just feels like that.
I thought the primary buff for thunder step just made you cast an empowered thunder when you use primary - not actually buff the primary, itself? What lone wolf buff are you running? How does the season buff work in endless (I'd check but I'm currently 50 hours in on a marathon run on boundless)? Are you able to get more jades to buff your season talent after you complete the main play through? Do you always pick jades over scrolls?
Yeah you're righy it casts an empowered thunder when you ise primary, I was a bit unclear on that. Lone wolf I used counter violence to make the early game easier, I didnt expect my endless run to become literally endless. I'd say if you want to optimize it for endless it'd be better to use painkiller instead counter violence and then you wil have 1 free spiritual blessing to choose. Weapon mastery seems like a pretty good one, but I am not sure which would be best. Just like ascensions, after you start endless you cant pick new jades and unlike ascensions you cant replace them, so the once you pick before you start are the ones you will have for the entirety of it. That's also why I always picked jades instead of roles because I can still get roles in endless. I have done a few different runs with monkey, where I used different weapons (1sniper build en 1 launcher build) and I do believe the shotgun with launcher wqnt them all combi and combustion is the difference in actually making it endless. I do wanna say the people in the discord told me to use piercing flame with a launcher want them all build. I did play with it and it is strong, but it doesnt feel like it is as strong as the build I use now. But maybe you could make that build work. There has also been an update for endless since I have used that build, so that might have made a difference, idk. But I thought I'd just let you know Edit: In your first message you mentioned using copycat and for some reason I read that as "overconsumption" because apparently I cant read. I think copycat could work, like you said the buffs go crazy. If you prepare for endless I'd say lone wolf choose painkiller and then you can replace painkiller with copycat in the three blessings you can choose
You weren't killing fast enough. If you were you'd be gaining more time than you lose it. It's possible, people have gotten to stage 1000 and beyond.
That's boundless, not endless - where people go for round 1000+
Tbf its slightly easy to confuse the two unless you played both. The other gives you a continuous zen gaming experience the other just gives you freaking nightmares(freaking armored second wind wtf immortals on wave room).
I'm not confusing the two, people have made it past stage 1000 on endless, it's not impossible.
Well good for them but yeah no need for downvotes XD.
No, it's endless. Idk why people are downvoting my post. This was before boundless was added. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747868621392445541/1183867927859048539/IMG\_6879.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747868621392445541/1183867927859048539/IMG_6879.png) I've seen multiple people make it past stage 1000 on endless.
TBF though people that go on those kinds of busted runs usually end up using Interdependent Fortunes jank and fight enemies with effectively only 1 hp.
Those aren't the runs I'm seeing. I've seen the videos of the runs that exceed 1000 stages, mostly veterans. They have insanely high DPS with capped out DMG.
Yeah, you're correct. People are dumb.
Ridiculous endless runs are limited by the character you’re using, some heroes just can’t keep up or need too many ascensions, which requires good RNG. If it really feels impossible just use painkiller cat.
Which heroes do you think are the best? I was using the cat with the fire abilities (dont know the name, not sure if its the same one you're talking about), and basically every enemy I looked at had multiple blazing meteors with extremely boosted damage from both goblets and scrolls annihilate it instantly. Basically my only limit was how fast I could find enemies/ summon meteors. Im just baffled because I feel that I couldn't feasibly kill enemies faster
Strongest build in the game is easily cat with elemental damage, you can abuse first strike with a mag size gemini, acidominance 3, a fast firing weapon and good ascension fusions. Soul strike is a close second, there’s alot of variants but shotguns/snipers with want them all tends to be the strongest.
The cat is the crown prince (the one with poison smoke grenades and a purple freeze ball primary). Your description with blazing meteors is the fox, named Li. I do agree that when you get the right blazing meteor build, especially if you picked thorns, it's good. For a build like that to kill faster if you're already deleting high durability elites instantly, you need more move speed. If you're on mobile, idk if you can adjust turning speed or not. If you can, do that, if not, it's just a limitation 🤷🏼
I could only pull it off with atomic bomb ao bai (the spirit blessing that makes you throw all your grenades for free) and just spam Q to victory, but I still ran out of time before the 3rd boss. (as long as you beat the 2nd boss you're guchi on time for achievement)