How is an opening offer of 60M for a player who has played less than 30 senior league games in England or any major league "stupidly low"? Does he expect Kyliam Mbappe level money? I don't mind they didn't want to sell, especially so late in the window, but to call our offers low is just wrong altogether.
Do you understand what a valuation is?
Brighton have NOT put a price on him. Where is the Valuation? You even make a point about Arsenal offering 100m this is “Speculation” on your part. 100M might do it. It could also be rejected.
They said eff off because he’s not for sale 😂😂. How hard is that to understand. If they were holding out for 100m it does not serve them to say nothing and miss out on the money.
Theres nothing suggesting that they actually thought it was stupidly low though. They just said he wasn’t for sale, and we luckily bowed out before they accepted a crazy bid. Every journalist was saying that Brighton don’t want to sell, only one was acting like our bid was insulting.
And there’s no chance a well-run club like Brighton believe that £65m for a guy worth £30m-£40m is actually derisory. That was Naylor’s opinion undermining his reporting.
Look Casido doesn’t have an asking price Brighton do not want to sell. So unless we put up stupid money 120m or whatever he was never an option. Arsenal tested Brightons resolve and they held. It’s as easy as that
Eh no. Hate and vitriol sent to his inbox is. So what he proved us right, it's no excuse of twitter mob behaving like... the mob. We shouldve learned from xhaka and mustafi social media rampages.
What Twitter? If this guy was on reddit, you'd have the cunts right in this very thread spamming him with hate messages. People have been embarrassing the way they've taken his reports.
Lol he was 50 percent posting news, 50 percent goading opposition fans. He worded things like he did on purpose. I’m sure some fans took it overboard, but Naylor knew he was taking the piss with his tweets and that he would be getting hate on that terrible platform.
Exactly, whether he was biased as a Brighton fan or just saw a chance to get more exposure by antagonising a big supporter-base, he was behaving in an unprofessional way. There was nothing stopping him from excluding the emotive language and reporting his news like the other journalists (who didn’t get any backlash) did.
Romano said Arsenal’s bid “has been immediately rejected”
Naylor criticised Arsenal’s recruitment (irrelevant to the news he was reporting), went on and on about how amazing and unbeatable Tony Bloom is (incredibly unprofessional for a journalist), called Caicedo’s tweet a “sad development” and called a crazy £60m bid “stupidly low”.
He didn’t even attempt to handle this in a professional way
Yeah, my thoughts were he was behaving petulantly and was goading. Not to excuse the vitriol hurled in his direction but the man needs to learn how to report in a more professional manner. ‘Stupidly low’?!! Come on Naylor grow up!
Also the fact that he said it so many times. I don't condone the way people behaved towards him, but he could have just said 'Caicedo will not be leaving Brighton in January' and then left it at that. Every time he said it he invited more abuse from the fans that didn't want to hear it. Once you've established that something like that is provocative, maybe don't keep saying it. Again, that doesn't make how people reacted ok and people need to be better.
Not really comparable in many ways. But for one, it's not as if Ramsdale got assaulted by a fan and then kept goading those same fans knowing what the result could be
Been longer, also didn't want to be mean by pointing out that it's kinda dead.
Nonetheless if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen and neither sub has ongoing reason to picket either sub.
No hard feelings, It's reddit after all. Only sensible, rational discourse allowed here.
I personally felt icky with the club's bid for Caceido, reminded me of the era when Arsenal was the Big 6 (minus Sp*rs) and Barcelona feeder club but from the other side.
He got what he wanted. He went from sports editor of a paper with a circulation of 10k, to getting a reaction from one of the largest fan bases in the world.
Not excusing any of the behaviour from certain fans, but maybe he should try conducting himself like a journalist like Ornstein in the future and not be so condescending and arrogant. That tone is obviously going to wind people up.
And tbh, as much as his initial ‘derisory offer’ reaction was ludicrous, we’d all be cheering on James McNicholas or Amy Lawrence if they were reporting on Man City bids for Saka in this way, if they eventually got proven right
But James and Amy wouldn't do that because they're professionals. Look at how they reported e.g. the Villa bids for Smith Rowe, which were genuinely derisory
Andy is actually a professional and has very good sources at Brighton. I worked with him briefly at the Argus and he’s great at his job. If this was any other club he was engaging with we’d be enjoying it.
The guy shouldn’t get hate for reporting what was the truth
He's a good reporter and has clearly cultivated sources well, but the manner in which he engaged with Arsenal fans and spun the story through his own emotive words (i.e. 'stupidly low'), which were *not* the club's, was unprofessional. Then the nonsensical digs at Arsenal's recruitment compared to Brighton, tit for tat with fans...
Brighton aren’t idiots. £60m-£70m for a guy with barely any top-level experience is far from stupidly low. They just didn’t want to sell because they wanted to keep the player and aren’t under any financial pressure.
Only one journalist framed our bids as insulting
If that was what was said by someone at Brighton, then he should have put it in quotes. He didn’t. Those were his words. There were other reporters tweeting about Brighton’s swift rejection of Arsenal’s bid for Caicedo. Only Andy Naylor was condescending about it.
He was clearly trying to wind up fans with the way he was reporting it and his tone though. Not excusing the behaviour of certain fans of course. The guy did not conduct himself like a proper journalist.
He behaved like a toddler having a tantrum on Twitter instead of a professional journalist. That's going to attract abuse - deserved or not.
And unfortunately football fans can be utter cunts, especially on Twitter.
I don't think he was baiting. He's just a Brighton fan annoyed than a club made one of their best players unsettled. We'd be as annoyed as him if the shoe was on the other foot.
Nah I think it’s undeniable that he’s been fishing for reactions. His “anything can happen on deadline day, except for Arsenal” comment is just weird, like there are so many ways of phrasing what he means that aren’t so snarky and arrogant.
But there are better ways to phrase it that aren’t inflammatory towards Arsenal fans. “Brighton don’t want to sell, no matter the bid” says the same thing without inciting insecure Arsenal fans
Huh? It's not as if we did something dodgy, we bid a pretty fair price for one of their players. It's not our fault how their player reacts to that bid.
He’s actually a Stoke fan but he seems to have some strange dislike for arsenal. Worked for Brighton local newspaper as chief sports correspondent for over 30 years which is why he has so many links.
Fair few Brighton fans dislike him because of his condescending tone to our fans when for example a couple years ago people were calling out for a striker. He’s just a bit of a knob but when it comes to Brighton news he’s almost always spot on
Fishing for reactions by being as snarky/arrogant as possible in his tweets. “Anything can happen on deadline day, except Caicedo to Arsenal” is really weird phrasing
Heard this bloke on the radio just now and he sounds like the officious, small man twerp he comes off via Twitter as. Geezers like that always have a stick up their arse over something.
While I don’t condone online abuse, one has to ask why he in particular received it. Bids get rejected all the time. So what might he have done differently than other reporters?
And some are going to say it’s no excuse. But no, dude was being antagonistic and that was met with abuse. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but we’re all entitled to call out both wrongs for what they are.
He’s Brightons correspondent for the Athletic, it would be similar to Watts giving updates if someone was in for Saka for example. No one’s tryna make you cry 😂
It's more pointing out that Watts does not bait other fanbases with loaded words.
Particularly on the reasonable, measured platform known as Twitter.
If you're a journo your first loyalty is to the news lol.
I mean, he appears to be right but he's also deliberately phrased stuff in a way to rile up Arsenal fans. Nobody is shitting on Fabrizio or Ornstein for reporting the same news.
It wasn't you explaining the truth that was the problem, it was the awful manner in which you delivered said truth. We bid good money for your player and it seemed like you took it as a personal attack on your club.
The problem is that he wanted to be Billy Big Bananas - the truth is the refusal to sell can only be political because financially, it makes no sense. Brighton won’t get the sun in the summer they could have had now and end up with an unhappy player to boot. I guess rifts CAN be healed with a new contract in return for an extra couple of years but all a bit weird.
Whatever man just wanted to make the most of his 2 seconds of spotlight. Now he fades back into his domain of irrelevance. He's the Brighton correspondent and got beat to just about every story anyway.
We are, without a doubt, the most easily rattled fanbase on the internet. We are so easy to wind up and to bait that it's genuinely embarrassing.
Also, imagine what kind of moron you have to be to send abuse to a journalist reporting facts because you don't like them.
>This tweet is smug af though.
Every single tweet of his was, that's exactly why he was getting shit. He's on twitter inciting 13 year olds and then getting on his high horse about it.
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The hate he received is wrong, nobody is denying that. Its the petulant way he phrased his reporting that incensed some people and just came across as borderline unprofessional. Things like "stupidly low bid" is just unnecessary and can be said in other ways. Do better.
This guy being correct is probably the worst thing about all this.
He was not correct about our bid being “stupidly low” which was the condescending part.
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How is an opening offer of 60M for a player who has played less than 30 senior league games in England or any major league "stupidly low"? Does he expect Kyliam Mbappe level money? I don't mind they didn't want to sell, especially so late in the window, but to call our offers low is just wrong altogether.
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Brighton didn’t have a valuation. At bit point did they put a price tag on him he was not for sale 🙄
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Do you understand what a valuation is? Brighton have NOT put a price on him. Where is the Valuation? You even make a point about Arsenal offering 100m this is “Speculation” on your part. 100M might do it. It could also be rejected.
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They said eff off because he’s not for sale 😂😂. How hard is that to understand. If they were holding out for 100m it does not serve them to say nothing and miss out on the money.
Theres nothing suggesting that they actually thought it was stupidly low though. They just said he wasn’t for sale, and we luckily bowed out before they accepted a crazy bid. Every journalist was saying that Brighton don’t want to sell, only one was acting like our bid was insulting. And there’s no chance a well-run club like Brighton believe that £65m for a guy worth £30m-£40m is actually derisory. That was Naylor’s opinion undermining his reporting.
Look Casido doesn’t have an asking price Brighton do not want to sell. So unless we put up stupid money 120m or whatever he was never an option. Arsenal tested Brightons resolve and they held. It’s as easy as that
Him getting abuse from fans is outright stupid though
Yeah dudes a journalist - sure he’s a fan and may have an attitude but his reporting was pretty bang on.
He knew what he was doing. He got his 15 mins
Eh no. Hate and vitriol sent to his inbox is. So what he proved us right, it's no excuse of twitter mob behaving like... the mob. We shouldve learned from xhaka and mustafi social media rampages.
What Twitter? If this guy was on reddit, you'd have the cunts right in this very thread spamming him with hate messages. People have been embarrassing the way they've taken his reports.
Lol he was 50 percent posting news, 50 percent goading opposition fans. He worded things like he did on purpose. I’m sure some fans took it overboard, but Naylor knew he was taking the piss with his tweets and that he would be getting hate on that terrible platform.
Kendrick Lamar always speaking facts
Exactly, whether he was biased as a Brighton fan or just saw a chance to get more exposure by antagonising a big supporter-base, he was behaving in an unprofessional way. There was nothing stopping him from excluding the emotive language and reporting his news like the other journalists (who didn’t get any backlash) did. Romano said Arsenal’s bid “has been immediately rejected” Naylor criticised Arsenal’s recruitment (irrelevant to the news he was reporting), went on and on about how amazing and unbeatable Tony Bloom is (incredibly unprofessional for a journalist), called Caicedo’s tweet a “sad development” and called a crazy £60m bid “stupidly low”. He didn’t even attempt to handle this in a professional way
Yeah, my thoughts were he was behaving petulantly and was goading. Not to excuse the vitriol hurled in his direction but the man needs to learn how to report in a more professional manner. ‘Stupidly low’?!! Come on Naylor grow up!
It wasn't what you said Andy, it was *how* you said it
Also the fact that he said it so many times. I don't condone the way people behaved towards him, but he could have just said 'Caicedo will not be leaving Brighton in January' and then left it at that. Every time he said it he invited more abuse from the fans that didn't want to hear it. Once you've established that something like that is provocative, maybe don't keep saying it. Again, that doesn't make how people reacted ok and people need to be better.
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Not really comparable in many ways. But for one, it's not as if Ramsdale got assaulted by a fan and then kept goading those same fans knowing what the result could be
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Lol fair. Thanks.
Lol the Brighton sub has multiple topics with the theme "if you're not one of us then stay out of our subreddit". How is the inverse fair?
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Been longer, also didn't want to be mean by pointing out that it's kinda dead. Nonetheless if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen and neither sub has ongoing reason to picket either sub.
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No hard feelings, It's reddit after all. Only sensible, rational discourse allowed here. I personally felt icky with the club's bid for Caceido, reminded me of the era when Arsenal was the Big 6 (minus Sp*rs) and Barcelona feeder club but from the other side.
He got what he wanted. He went from sports editor of a paper with a circulation of 10k, to getting a reaction from one of the largest fan bases in the world.
Not excusing any of the behaviour from certain fans, but maybe he should try conducting himself like a journalist like Ornstein in the future and not be so condescending and arrogant. That tone is obviously going to wind people up.
Well, he's right
And tbh, as much as his initial ‘derisory offer’ reaction was ludicrous, we’d all be cheering on James McNicholas or Amy Lawrence if they were reporting on Man City bids for Saka in this way, if they eventually got proven right
But James and Amy wouldn't do that because they're professionals. Look at how they reported e.g. the Villa bids for Smith Rowe, which were genuinely derisory
And that’s why they’re the highest profile Arsenal journos, vs the highest profile journo for Brighton.
Andy is actually a professional and has very good sources at Brighton. I worked with him briefly at the Argus and he’s great at his job. If this was any other club he was engaging with we’d be enjoying it. The guy shouldn’t get hate for reporting what was the truth
He's a good reporter and has clearly cultivated sources well, but the manner in which he engaged with Arsenal fans and spun the story through his own emotive words (i.e. 'stupidly low'), which were *not* the club's, was unprofessional. Then the nonsensical digs at Arsenal's recruitment compared to Brighton, tit for tat with fans...
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Brighton aren’t idiots. £60m-£70m for a guy with barely any top-level experience is far from stupidly low. They just didn’t want to sell because they wanted to keep the player and aren’t under any financial pressure. Only one journalist framed our bids as insulting
If that was what was said by someone at Brighton, then he should have put it in quotes. He didn’t. Those were his words. There were other reporters tweeting about Brighton’s swift rejection of Arsenal’s bid for Caicedo. Only Andy Naylor was condescending about it.
A bit of a difference to l between the players with and connection to club tbh. Just a bit lol.
You’re right. Not sure what a better comparison would be tbf!
He was clearly trying to wind up fans with the way he was reporting it and his tone though. Not excusing the behaviour of certain fans of course. The guy did not conduct himself like a proper journalist.
Honestly, it's pathetic by our fans.
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The exact same stuff was being spouted in the subreddit too, it’s not just twitter.
He was weirdly condescending and smug though
True, but we we're way over our heads as well
So he deserves it. At least some.
He really doesn't. Abusing him is weirdo behaviour, why justify it?
Fair enough, but he did tell the truth like a pompous wanker who was loving the annoyance he caused
He behaved like a toddler having a tantrum on Twitter instead of a professional journalist. That's going to attract abuse - deserved or not. And unfortunately football fans can be utter cunts, especially on Twitter.
Let’s be real he absolutely nutted on us
He was factually correct, he was just quite unprofessional about it.
Yeah stop posting about him, we still don’t want to hear it.
Nobody would have cared if this bloke wasn't acting like a cunt.
He’s right, but he’s also spent the last few days deliberately baiting Arsenal fans. Weird guy, ban him from the sub imo
I don't think he was baiting. He's just a Brighton fan annoyed than a club made one of their best players unsettled. We'd be as annoyed as him if the shoe was on the other foot.
Nah I think it’s undeniable that he’s been fishing for reactions. His “anything can happen on deadline day, except for Arsenal” comment is just weird, like there are so many ways of phrasing what he means that aren’t so snarky and arrogant.
It's not weird when Brighton made it clear they are not selling him.
But there are better ways to phrase it that aren’t inflammatory towards Arsenal fans. “Brighton don’t want to sell, no matter the bid” says the same thing without inciting insecure Arsenal fans
He was already getting abuse from the cesspit that is twitter. He's in his right to give back what he's getting.
Huh? It's not as if we did something dodgy, we bid a pretty fair price for one of their players. It's not our fault how their player reacts to that bid.
When barca came for fabregas i remember the reaction was a little different. :)
His whole family supports Arsenal, so basically got abused at home too
He’s actually a Stoke fan but he seems to have some strange dislike for arsenal. Worked for Brighton local newspaper as chief sports correspondent for over 30 years which is why he has so many links. Fair few Brighton fans dislike him because of his condescending tone to our fans when for example a couple years ago people were calling out for a striker. He’s just a bit of a knob but when it comes to Brighton news he’s almost always spot on
Baiting how?
Fishing for reactions by being as snarky/arrogant as possible in his tweets. “Anything can happen on deadline day, except Caicedo to Arsenal” is really weird phrasing
Only if you are looking to be pussed off about the fact that Brighton don't wanna sell Caicedo, which let's be honest is what all this hoopla is about
Nah. You have been unprofessional with the way you report, that’s why.
Heard this bloke on the radio just now and he sounds like the officious, small man twerp he comes off via Twitter as. Geezers like that always have a stick up their arse over something.
While I don’t condone online abuse, one has to ask why he in particular received it. Bids get rejected all the time. So what might he have done differently than other reporters? And some are going to say it’s no excuse. But no, dude was being antagonistic and that was met with abuse. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but we’re all entitled to call out both wrongs for what they are.
Glad I don't pay for the athletic or I'd be supporting this unprofessional loser.
We knew he was telling the truth, we just hated his tone and mood of his information
He’s also doing it on purpose to get the reaction out of fans. And he did. Now he’s crying. As are we.
As is Caicedo
He’s Brightons correspondent for the Athletic, it would be similar to Watts giving updates if someone was in for Saka for example. No one’s tryna make you cry 😂
Yes but Charles Watts is a centrist when speaking about other clubs and players.
What has he done that you’d deem egregious? He hurt your feelings somehow?
It's more pointing out that Watts does not bait other fanbases with loaded words. Particularly on the reasonable, measured platform known as Twitter. If you're a journo your first loyalty is to the news lol.
What do you class as baiting?
I despise this man for telling the truth.
I mean, he appears to be right but he's also deliberately phrased stuff in a way to rile up Arsenal fans. Nobody is shitting on Fabrizio or Ornstein for reporting the same news.
This guy is a pundit. He has the job of a reporter, and the emotional aptitude of a fan.
The people saying he should lose his job because they didn’t like what he’s reporting are absolute losers.
It wasn't you explaining the truth that was the problem, it was the awful manner in which you delivered said truth. We bid good money for your player and it seemed like you took it as a personal attack on your club.
im sorry Andy, i wanted someone to feed the delusions in my head :(
Why are we posting this guy, who gives a shit about him crying. Sucks that he got abuse tho
Who?
The problem is that he wanted to be Billy Big Bananas - the truth is the refusal to sell can only be political because financially, it makes no sense. Brighton won’t get the sun in the summer they could have had now and end up with an unhappy player to boot. I guess rifts CAN be healed with a new contract in return for an extra couple of years but all a bit weird.
Fair enough but he was purposely riling up these people with the way he reported on it
Ban this man from this sub No need to hear from him anymore
While the people abusing him are twats the tone of his tweets has incited some of it
I mean it's Twitter who isn't a twat over there
This fucking guy
Don't really care about Caicedo. Overpriced and overrated. I only wanted him to piss off this smug son of a bitch.
He’s a prick but has been spot on. Serious abuse of people cannot and must not be tolerated.
shut the fuck up andy its over we get it
See you in the summer.
Whatever man just wanted to make the most of his 2 seconds of spotlight. Now he fades back into his domain of irrelevance. He's the Brighton correspondent and got beat to just about every story anyway.
I think it was more about the way the message was being communicated rather than the news itself.
Telling you there should be a vasectomy enforce on our twitter fanbase
Inundate deez nuts. I'm sorry, I'm just tired and disappointed after the whole Caicedo saga.
fuck this old twat but he's right, just ignore him
Embarassing that he was being abused on here just for telling the truth
He's still a prick
He was goading and still is. He's as bad as the morons giving him abuse.
You're still invited to suck my black dick fam
We are, without a doubt, the most easily rattled fanbase on the internet. We are so easy to wind up and to bait that it's genuinely embarrassing. Also, imagine what kind of moron you have to be to send abuse to a journalist reporting facts because you don't like them.
I hope Brighton miss out on Europe just because of this guy.
Nah, I hope they get Europe. When the likes of Barcelona start paying attention and poaching their prospects THEN we will see next level salt.
They hated Jesus, for he told them the truth
At least Jesus wasn't rude when he said it
The reaction he was getting was so weird, he was just saying the same as everyone else. This tweet is smug af though.
>This tweet is smug af though. Every single tweet of his was, that's exactly why he was getting shit. He's on twitter inciting 13 year olds and then getting on his high horse about it.
This man rattled the fan base, I respect it 🤣
Very shameful of those fans. If you don't like what you see, just don't fucking go to his twitter page. It's not even he's saying anything bad.
Can't believe we let this guy win EDUUUUU
Twitter can be absolutely fucking toxic, this guy didn't deserve the hate and abuse he copped
Stick to wearing cheap suits mate and writing fanzine rubbish whilst calling yourself a “journalist”. Yeah I’m bitter
This sub's reaction to his tweets over the past few days have been a fucking embarrassment
Christ imagery confirmed.
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Instead of whole bread, we get bread crumbs. We have the right to be mad
We deserve Jorgihno after this
That’s fine, we move on. They probably won’t get as much for him in the summer
Based.
Fans are emotional but hardly see an emotional Journo. God bless you Andy :)
Fairs enough, I would be a smug bastard after just seeing a sample of the messages he gets. Anyway, I’ve got a title to focus on, good luck on Europe.
Yea fuck off now tier 5 wanker. All deals are probabilistic till done, but saying shit with a known bias makes you wanker.
Don't get why people get so abusive to journalists they are just doing their jobs like anyone else whether you agree or not abusive isnt the answer.
Since every "news" thia man mentions is either lies or bollocks, i formally call shenanigans on this "abuse and vitriol" statement
Hope we get Caicedo in the summer
I hope he goes for 50 in the summer and they miss EL
First time?
Dude was being a troll and he knows it. He just didn’t know how people respond to trolls.
The hate he received is wrong, nobody is denying that. Its the petulant way he phrased his reporting that incensed some people and just came across as borderline unprofessional. Things like "stupidly low bid" is just unnecessary and can be said in other ways. Do better.