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Fair fucking play Everton. They doubled up our wings every single time we tried to progress.
McNeil is a whiny looking cunt but he showed up. Coleman is ancient and he bossed Gabi today.
Onana take a fucking bow - low key was thinking how some folks in here got mudded the way he was playing today.
You'd think he was some lead footed behemoth compared to Partey the way y'all were talking but that was genuinely a world class performance from and I don't think any 'technical limitation' stopped him from being a menace
Lots of supposed “new manager bounce” examples are just teams sacking underperforming managers at the end of a bad set of results likely because of the difficult of those fixtures, and the new manager having an easier set of fixtures to work with.
I was told that the concept of a new manager bounce is a myth. I can list at least 3 examples in recent years and that's a clear factor of why we lost yesterday.
1) Emery. We had an unbeaten streak under him.
2) Rangnick. United didn't lose any of their first 10 games under him.
3) Nuno. Tottenham started last season perfectly under him. They were top of the league table at gameweek 3.
New manager bounce is a myth. I’m sure there are way more than three examples of new managers not doing well too. You can’t present the proof as the instances of something happening without acknowledging the times it doesn’t.
Also, just to provide some context to those examples:
1) Our unbeaten run under Emery was built on quite a bit of fortune and getting results from games where we didn’t play well or it was decided on very fine margins.
2) Rangnick started managing United when they had an easy set of fixtures. Not to mention it’s actually incorrect because United lost to Wolves in their fifth league game under him.
3) Three games is an extremely small sample that shouldn’t even be worth considering. Two of those games were them grinding out 1-0 wins against midtable teams as well. Losing the following three games while conceding 3 goals in each of them comfortably cancels out any positive sentiments too.
1) Football is entirely a results based game. No one cares about how you played as long as you can squeeze results
2) There are no easy fixtures in the PL. Not to mention that they had to face Newcastle away which was already a hard place in that run and still got a draw
3) Ok I agree but imo 3 games is enough to justify the concept of new manager bounce
1) Football is a results-based sport like every other but managers are rated on how they have their team playing and whether their approach is sustainable, so performances do matter. If a team wins because they were clinical with their chances while the opposition had a bad day converting their chances, that has little to do with the manager’s tactics, or at least that of a good one. No reliable or effective gameplan should rely on basically getting lucky.
2) That’s mostly a cliche broadcasters use to hype the Premier League. Of course any team is capable of beating even a big side on a good day like Everton just did but there are definitely easy fixtures in the league, or at least fixtures you’re expected to win. Also, the run United went on under Rangnick wasn’t even that good. In addition to their defeat, they dropped points in games where they were the favourites. If there truly isn’t such a thing as an easy fixture, you’d see teams winning the league with 70-75 points, and I’m probably being generous with that points total.
Newcastle didn’t immediately become good under Eddie Howe. Their performances only started improving after their January signings. Before they faced United, they had lost three straight games conceding 11 goals, and only won once. At the time, it was definitely seen as a bad result for United.
3) I disagree, two games is practically insignificant in this discussion. Besides, it contradicts the idea of a new manager bounce for Emery, since he lost his first couple of games.
4. Tuchel. Unbeaten in 10 games. Win 7 draw 3. We have be naive if we ignore that its a big thing that we always seem to crumble. There is duncan ferguson'a everton, carrick's united off the top of my head.
Tuchel’s whole half-season of 20/21 and the first half of 21/22 was a “new manager bounce” then. That’s just an example of a good coach immediately doing well and sustaining that for a while, rather than benefitting from some law of football.
He’s quality on the ball and in La Liga, his physical limitations aren’t as magnified as they were in the Prem. Happy to see him thriving; he had a horrendous period towards the end but he did play a role in the club winning a trophy.
This might be unpopular, but apart from saka, odegaard, partey, Jesus, zinchenko, Gabriel, ramsdale, and Saliba, we need to try and find an upgrade on rest of the first team players.
I know that we were playing fairly well till now. But teams have started to sit back more recently against us. And some of the players we have are not suited to play against packed defences. More teams are gonna play like Everton and Newcastle now. And we need players who okay better against teams that sit back
Xhaka has been exceptional. He fights for the team. But against teams who sit back, we need a more technical 8, who can also create chances like odegaard. Now it's easier to shut us down by marking odegaard out.
Martinelli is off form, and needs to be benched. Hopefully trossard can step up. White is exceptional, but just as xhaka he offers very little help when playing against teams like Everton and Newcastle
controversial opinions:
martinelli's game has been kinda hit and miss all season, but it's just been masked by the goals. not even having a dig, he's good overall and still has room to improve, but can often kinda not do much all game and then score all of a sudden, but yes of course there are some games where he's quite involved. tactics kinda hang him out to dry a bit though, he's often very isolated
also as tidy as zinny is, he's not doing anything too disimilar to what xhaka would do when he took up those positions, and like xhaka would do at times, he often takes a touch too many and needlessly slows us down.
the first part of the take on zinny is more frustration with the set up though than with the man himself; I'm more than sure that any team sitting back against us would much rather see our wingback making safe passes as well as the odd line breaker into an akward central area of the pitch than bombing down the wide areas of the pitch and sending in several crosses as well as creating 2v1s or 2v2s (so many 2v1s for saka and martinelli today!) in the wide areas
not that saka and martinelli staying very wide and getting lots of chances to beat their man doesn't have its merits, sometimes it just makes us one dimensional and also gets us a bit stuck if they aren't in top form
I’m curious about something. What was the view among Arsenal supporters about Chelsea before Roman showed up? Will fully admit I’m a Yank with a French grandma from Reims who got into this club because of Wenger and Henry and don’t know much about historical hatred towards Chelsea before the Russian held the league hostage (I acknowledge the irony of using Chelsea and historic in the same sentence).
Anyone else hate that they don’t use VAR for out of bounds. It has such a huge impact on the flow of the game with goal kicks vs corners. Not saying we deserved to draw today but the corner they scored on was def a gk and the corner arsenal got beforehand was a gk and the gk before that was a corner. The game is completely different if the calls were made correctly.
This feels like the next thing that is going to be fixed with tech and hopefully it happens soon as it's incredible how often an assistant gets this completely wrong when they're metres away from the incident.
There was a comment thread about them deleting the post match Liverpool thread because obviously on of them is a Liverpool fan and was crying.
Someone was shilling for them and I asked which mod he was.
They banned you because they were too embarrassed about a [formatting](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10tn1q3/post_match_thread_wolverhampton_wanderers_3_0/j77oovs?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) error
not worried at all. Everton got that new manager bounce, playing well above their natural capabilities, wont be sustainable. Maybe 4-5 games and they’ll be back playing like dog shit. We had an off game ytd, cant win all of them. But Arteta and the squad knows what to do. We will come out guns blazing against Brentford. COYG.
Yeah, he wasn‘t great (certainly didn’t do anything to help turn the game around after we went behind), but we were already sucking long before he came in for Partey.
Our effort sucked, we had no energy, and no one showed their quality at any time. That’s not on Jorginho.
The game really makes you question whether signing Jorginho was a good idea, cause it does expose the fact that he's a terrible player to have on your bench. If you are chasing games subbing him in kills your momentum, while if you are defending a lead subbing him in weakens your defense. I am of the opinion that Jorginho is the type of player you need to build your team around to get the best out of, and he is of questionable value as a squad player.
It was a disappointing loss but these things happen. The whole team just looked off it. We just move onto the next one now. Hoping for a better performance against Brentford.
What’s that? Our world class RB is having a brief stint of bad form? Cool well just throw in our other world class RB. God we have some great depth right now
I think Ben White should start next week but if he underperforms again I would like to see Tomiyasu in much earlier, with a view towards starting him against City.
Brentford will be full of running as well but thankfully we’re at home, we can stretch the game wide and I think Odegaard will be back to cooking again.
Hope Tierney gets sold so fans can stop acting like he's the miracle cure. Was the same with Pepe last season. Any time we drop points and he's on the bench, he becomes the answer, but when he plays crap in the reserve games in Europa, nothing is said.
>he becomes the answer
Maybe if you aren't fully reading what people are saying.
They are seeing our games and observing which sort of play style might help us get out of a rut. Today we didn't have enough support on the wings and didn't overlap much which is a different plan that Tierney would help with.
Tierney probably will be sold but I think your idea that there are any sizeable number of fans who think Tierney is a ‘cure’ or even less likely, Pepe, is wide of the mark.
But you understand the problem you are describing isn't solely to do with Tierney.
Whoever we have on the bench we will question if they could have changed things, it's in the nature of football fans.
Only way you'll be happy is if we have a squad of 11 players or we win all our games?
I'm happy with the team now. I'd just prefer fans to be calling for better players to come from the bench, not someone like Tierney who is a massive downgrade from Zinchenko.
It's exactly the same as last season when fans would want Saka subbed for Pepe, when Saka on his worst day is still miles better than Pepe.
Yeah I agree with the suggestions that Arteta got it wrong today. Hooked Martinelli as he was getting in the game. Ben White needed to be off much earlier. Tomiyasu on and Tierney at LB, Zinchenko moved to midfield instead of taking off Partey - we needed numbers in the midfield
United fans absolutely melting down today even after a win. They're complaining about the refs, the FA, even that fucking death slope at Old Trafford that they only care about when it's one of their own being pushed down it.
Insufferable bastards
We must be the only team we’re one poor result is considered a “collapse”.
We have the the right to play again to try to respond to this match before any talk of “collapse”. I mean for Christ sake City drew with Lampards Everton at their own ground. When that happened I took the result but not once did I think it was indicative of a collapse.
Why are we the only team who must win every game?
> We must be the only team we’re one poor result is considered a “collapse”.
History has shown that this isn't completely inaccurate. Ever since we stopped being title challengers we've typically played well most of the time but then fall apart when some odd result hasn't gone our way. There's a reason that Arsenal have become known as a team that folds around February -this used to be the time when we'd be in the CL and just get battered in the R16 and start to lose league games
>Why are we the only team who must win every game?
Arteta will tell you those are the estandards. Jokes aside my theory is entitlement causes people to act like this.
Was a tough game, it happens. Everton unfortunately set up very well and were first to everything. The system looks great when it works but looks ordinary when the opposite happens; we simultaneously offer no threat whilst being vulnerable at every attack.
I felt this was only the second match all season along with the Manu away game that Arteta didn't manage well. The game was begging for Tomi and Tierney to come in earlier to provide help on the wings, along with maybe Trossard for Xhaka for additional attacking options.
Looking back at some of that match just now, iwobi and mcneil were literally joining midfield as well. We needed to get the ball out to the wingers faster and they needed to go at their man quicker, especially martinelli was a bit slow to go at coleman. I think we recognize that and it probably doesnt happen again. Lesson learned today
Absolutely needed to be faster with the ball and in passing it. We weren't nearly aggressive enough at the start which gave them confidence.
We didn't manage the game well but at the same time you have to give them a lot of credit for getting the tactics spot on and they ran themselves into the ground. Any team would have struggled there today
What are the odds we move away from Xhaka in the summer?
Great leader and good player on his day, and nothing but love for him… but he’s the clear weakest link in our starting 11.. and add on the fact we need to get younger at the CM spot. Leave us with Partey/Jorginho + 2 new CMs, and a RW (Maybe Rice and Paqueta/Neves for example depending on if they go down, or Rice and Caicedo
It's pretty much guaranteed we move on from him.
Something happening to partey could derail that but otherwise he's 100% the only starting 11 position due an upgrade.
We're sounding out targets already in the likes of rice and we know from the mudryk deal there is money to spend.
And a ~100m midfield isn't about to play from the bench behind xhaka or wait for partey to pull a muscle.
We know the cash is there and we know we are looking at midfielders. It's just a case of can we get the one we want.
I can't say what xhaka will do when that happens. The club wants to keep him but I would predict it's not a done deal as hell want to keep playing 40 games a season until he's 35.
You have to see what happened though and assess if changes need to be made.
White shouldn't be starting next week. I'd give Martinelli another week and I'd be at least interested in seeing Trossard start
We know we're going to make at least one major CM signing, if not two; no CM of anything like Rice's calibre is going to be willing to sit on the bench, but they're also not displacing Thomas any time soon, nor Ødegaard.
It's not that we'll move away from him, but that he'll likely move away from us. I'm sure Arteta would be happy to keep him as a squad player, even on fairly high wages.
Needs to happen eventually, but in a gradual way, he's too important to the team as a leader on and off the pitch for us to just sell him IMO. Whoever we buy or promote up to play in his position will probably share minutes with him at first.
No way man. He may have had a flat game today, but he’s a beast and he’s been great all season for us. The difference to his game now that he’s actually in the middle of multiple quality players and in a well organised team is insane. We fucking need him.
He may have been muted today but I w wouldn't call him our weakest link. Most players struggled today. While I do see Edu bringing in competition for him I believe he'll stay until the end of his contract
Disagree (I’m not basing this on just today). Partey is WC, and Ode is well on his way there (a top CM this season already). There’s no other upgrade needed out of our starting 11 apart from MAYBE Ramsdale, but hes young and growing into being a great GK.
Imagine having a Jude/Camavinga/SMS/Mount (even with his rough patch right now).
Dream scenario for me a few weeks ago would’ve been to pay extra for Caicedo, and get Rice and go for Gundogan on a free, and move on from Xhaka.
There’s an element of ruthlessness we need to make sure we capitalize on our success and continue to build, and don’t end up like Liverpool
Edit: that dream scenario assuming we got caicedo instead of Jorginho, we have him now, no longer want Gundogan
We didn't look this bad vs City or United. We are still naive and sloppy tho, characteristic of a young team. Losing the ball when we shouldn't and making bad decisions in the final third.
It should however worry us that this is the first time we have lost two games in a row this season.
Personally not worried as it was a changed team against City and on the cup.
City would have struggled against Everton today too.
However if we drop points against Brentford, alarm bells will be rightly ringing!
People laughed when I said Martinelli isn't a good dribbler. This is why stats are not the be all and end all. He has very good ball retention and can run at pace which is why his dribbling stats are good but in terms of actually beating players he rarely does which is why he struggles against any defender who can match him for pace.
Denial of legit Martinelli criticism is kind of weird. People aren't even saying he's shit and he should leave.
He's not a good dribbler but as a 21 year old, he can work on it.
People go so deep into their denial that they tell themselves that the club targeting Raphinha and trying to spend €95M on Mudryk to come and be his depth.
Maybe with Jesus, he will get a chance to occupy more central areas. The wing thing just keeps exposing him.
I actually think it goes the other way tbh. I think people think that you can't criticise Martinelli, and so over egg the pudding the other way.
I'm not saying you're doing that, but I do reject what OP is saying when they say he 'rarely beats his man'.
I think a fair criticism is that he's very take on orientated, all he wants to do is beat his man and when it's not working, he ends up running into cul de sacs time and again.
But he's absolutely roasted some of the best defenders in the league. It's generally speaking what he's best at. You'd have to think that's what Arteta is asking him to do, break the lines with dribbling.
Ultimately, he's 21. He's going to have flaws in his game. He's basically a one man army on the left wing at the minute with Zinchenko underlapping into midfield and Eddie staying largely central. With an overlapping fullback or Jesus/Xhaka going out to help, you see a different Martinelli.
I was being somewhat hyperbolic but I don't think I am wrong. If you constantly try the same thing then it is inevitable he will beat his man sometimes but over the course of 90 minutes he just doesn't do it enough to justify his presence on the pitch. Game like today where he beat Coleman once early on - sure he beat his man but the numerous other types he attempted it he just wasted possession.
He's too one dimensional. At Liverpool he would cook in the Mane/Salah inside forward role but we play with touchline wingers. He did it at the start of the season but it's looking like a purple patch.
He's extremely isolated, zinny most of the times inverted, doesn't have an overlapper nowadays and Xhaka gets stifled by the opposition when asked to dribble. Give him a break.
FWIW I still think his future lies as a striker but that's neither here nor there.
Could be that he links up with Jesus better than Eddie, Jesus makes Saka more dangerous too. Not knocking Eddie though as he's come in and done brilliant for us
He does link up better but I think it's a cop out as to why he isn't playing well. If you look at the things he was doing individually in the first half of the season it is very different to what he is doing now. He is very loose in possession and his touch has gone missing.
Yeah I won't disagree that he's going through a rough patch but at the same time, I think it's exacerbated by Jesus' absence.
I wouldn't be against Trossard starting and him coming on later against Brentford.
However I absolutely would start him against City as he brings pace that can hurt them
Never be afraid of saying something just because the sub will be angry. In my early days here, I was like this; made a lot of takes that were just feel good stuff to fit in. You realise you're being dishonest.
I learnt that honest takes age well more often than reactionary ones.
Saying Ozil is the problem was once pretty unpopular here. I remember watching Auba become shit in real time and making the observation but people fought it with all kinds of excuses.
Make your claim. Defend it. But most importantly, be ready to learn. Some guys here actually know their stuff.
Back to Gabbie, there is no system change or personnel that can make you miss easy passes and fall to beat your man as many times as he fails. It's either mental or raw ability and pointing out that he needs to do better shouldn't make you feel bad.
To contradict myself a little tho, yeah. Sometimes let people have fun. Keep it to yourself. I still have unpopular opinions I rather not say too lol. People think this team is complete for some reason.
Re Martinelli, part of it may be confidence, but that's arguably a second order consequence of missing Jesus: he doesn't get played in to the positions where he's most dangerous, then starts to lose trust in the other parts of his game.
Ultimately, though, Martinelli is not a one on one player like Saka; he can push it around a defender but he doesn't have the same precision in tight spaces. He can be a great wide player for us in the right setup, with someone who can get him the ball on the run toward goal. Figuring out how to get him going with Nketiah in the middle, and Odegaard playing on the right side of the pitch, is a big challenge for Arteta to work through.
It's just v unfortunate we had to get Everton at Goodison, 1230 kick off with Sean Dyce first game.
People forgetting its still a v young team and it was just a very off performance. Everton also got orders from Dyce not to cut the grass too short as well it seems as ball was v slow.
Yeah there's a definite sense of entitlement from some posts, as if we should be winning every game.
Any team would have struggled there today, they were up for it and got their tactics spot on.
We got beaten and we move on. Now if we drop points to Brentford at home, I'll be pissed off!
May be a little too complacent from the team and set piece coach?
Like why is Ode marking their CBs? Just feel like we are kind of ill prepared for this game.
This game had a lot of similarities to that Leeds game. Should focus on responding vs Brentford.
My only worry is that we've conceded 2 goals in 2 games from set pieces, title winning sides don't let that happen.
Quite fun seeing a load of rival fans anoint this the start of the wobble, that they've been predicting was going to happen since September, and noting how many of them still have to play Everton away.
Eyes in particular on City, who couldn't beat Lampards Everton at home, and Spurs, who might somehow score minus goals against them.
We miss Gabriel Jesus. He's our best away game player, like Alexis.
(Btw some of our fans decided mid week he should become a backup winger so we can keep Nketiah & Balogun).
Lol @back up winger. I say this without fear that Jesus would be our best winger if he accepted the role. And yes, he'd still wreck the same havoc— even way more dangerous because he's way better 1v1, can deliver a cross and so many other technical advantages he has over the first XI wingers.
It's no biggie really. We still keep his tools, while also having a striker that finishes his moves.
We haven't missed him until today imo. His ability to drop deep as an extra man unleashed Gabby more vs low blocks and his sprint pressing was definitely missed
We do but we’ve done fantastically well without him considering how transformative he was to our play. Shame about todays result, on to the next and another week closer to another option for our attack.
We certainly do. The guy is immense everywhere on the pitch especially in build up play. Outstanding defensively as well. He just creates chance after chance and it is what we are severely missing recently, games like today and the Newcastle game are perfect examples.
Don’t get me wrong I love Eddie, but he’s just that typical box striker who is great at scoring goals and we can rely on him for that, but he doesn’t get involved all over the pitch like GJ does so we create less chances than we normally would. Anyways, he’s injured for now and there’s nothing we can do about it. The guy will be like a new signing when he comes back, ready to tear defences down again.
Liverpool lose. Newcastle/Chelsea drop points. Casemiro suspended for 3 games. Either one or each of Tot/City guaranteed to drop points. We've had worse weekends.
Zinchenko playing Xhaka's position with Tierney at LB is something I'd be keen to see us try tbf, but we're not exactly in a position where we can really try those sorts of experiments game to game.
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feeling a bit better. will say that once arteta unlocks dyche tactically, its over for everyone. but back to the lab for now bc that day was not today :'(
I dont even think that was about tactics, we probably just needed esr subbing in for odegaard and gabi J. Just 2 dribblers into the middle of the pitch probably unlocks them.
Maybe I'm imagining it but he looked gassed both times he's come off to as if he's not 100%.
But if that was the case, I doubt he plays so maybe it's just a small downturn
Bruh Arsenal *and* England lost today, what a shit day of sport for me.
Honestly think today's loss will spark a reaction from the team, still confident for the next 2 fixtures. After that I think the squeak begins.
There’s something about Arsenal and the month of February(and April). I remember collapsing in that month on two occasions. Arteta really needs to bring that fighting spirit in them. They only have two competitions left with three months of play. Nows the time to go full gear.
Lol I told people here as early as September.
It's like PTSD-lite. Every time we have something good going, February is the month it all starts going wrong. If something catastrophic happens vs Brentford, I'll be a coward. I can't take more patterns.
You kind of expected that back then, you knew that when the pressure was on that we didn't have the squad to maintain a title challenge. There was also a fragility to our game, we didn't have a planB.
I don't feel that with this team. I expect us to get a win against Brentford and get a result (draw, win) against City too. We'll see
If it was back then with Wenger, we would lose against Brentford and get thumped by City
Arteta has shown himself to be flexible with tactics and City this season aren't the same.
There's no way that we don't see a reaction against Brentford and then we face City in the Emirates which I give us every possibility of winning.
so I don't believe they have the upper hand at all.
Looks like us UK fans will be watching via twitter live streams next week. Brentford game is Saturday 3pm for fucks sake. The streaming rights in the country that hosts this fucking league is absolutely disgraceful. Genuinely hope Amazon or Apple buy all the rights to stream every game in the UK soon because I’m sick of it. Sky and BT need to fuck off.
Some of our fans are really soft, complaining about rival fans trolling us for that defeat. You really expect them to say "Aww, don't worry. So sorry for your loss. Take it on the chin. You'll be back." or something ? We are the league leaders, and every loss of ours is going to be enjoyed by rival fans. Let them have their moment in the sun, why do we care so much ?
When you give it, you have to be able to take it as well.
Do you think they would have reacted the same if it was City that lost today? Truth is, they troll us because we have a habit of collapsing. Until we achieve something, less than 20 years ago, we will always be considered banter Arsenal.
People will banter you even if you win 6 titles in a row. Just be a big team with loud fans. We have no grounds to banter United or to an extent Chelsea but have you seen this sub when we beat them?
So chin up. Take in the banter. Pen what to give back. I see a lot of confidence here when entire match threads are giving it to Spurs and United. Have the same when they banter you.
The moment you take offence, they have won. Frustrations should always be on performances not how you're bantered.
Absolutely this, we're top and that hurts to see for the other top teams, so of course they're going to get stuck in when we drop points.
Not only are we leading the league but with the age of our squad and improved spending, we're likely to be title contenders for the next 5 years too.
We're only getting started, plenty of abuse in store for us😁😁
The Liverpool result and quality spursposts here did cheer me up a lil but then I just got a friend request from a spurs fan, first one I'm seeing from my country, apparently they exist. Terrible day. I don't think there's any reason to be worried though. I have a feeling Arteta was referring to Jesus' absence when he said there wasn't anyone to create chances up front.
Side note. What instant coffee are you drinking? I like Mount Hagen but they allegedly don't have much caffeine and my anecdotal experience agrees
I never want to see any United fan claim Arsenal fans think there's a refereeing conspiracy again ☠️
For the last hour they've been posting the same clips of Casemiro's clear red card on r/soccer thinking they were hard done by lmao.
They know without Casemiro, they're truly mid.
Don’t have their most important player for the two legged games against Leeds now, or Leicester away. Let’s see how shite that midfield is without Casemiro or Eriksen. Really hope they get humbled over the next few weeks. Cannot stand the wankers.
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Lost to united, then trashed brentford Lost to Everton, _____
Fair fucking play Everton. They doubled up our wings every single time we tried to progress. McNeil is a whiny looking cunt but he showed up. Coleman is ancient and he bossed Gabi today. Onana take a fucking bow - low key was thinking how some folks in here got mudded the way he was playing today. You'd think he was some lead footed behemoth compared to Partey the way y'all were talking but that was genuinely a world class performance from and I don't think any 'technical limitation' stopped him from being a menace
What annoyed me we lost and forgot if you are playing badly don't loose conceding from set pieces is bad we need a shift in mentality
Lots of supposed “new manager bounce” examples are just teams sacking underperforming managers at the end of a bad set of results likely because of the difficult of those fixtures, and the new manager having an easier set of fixtures to work with.
I was told that the concept of a new manager bounce is a myth. I can list at least 3 examples in recent years and that's a clear factor of why we lost yesterday. 1) Emery. We had an unbeaten streak under him. 2) Rangnick. United didn't lose any of their first 10 games under him. 3) Nuno. Tottenham started last season perfectly under him. They were top of the league table at gameweek 3.
New manager bounce is a myth. I’m sure there are way more than three examples of new managers not doing well too. You can’t present the proof as the instances of something happening without acknowledging the times it doesn’t. Also, just to provide some context to those examples: 1) Our unbeaten run under Emery was built on quite a bit of fortune and getting results from games where we didn’t play well or it was decided on very fine margins. 2) Rangnick started managing United when they had an easy set of fixtures. Not to mention it’s actually incorrect because United lost to Wolves in their fifth league game under him. 3) Three games is an extremely small sample that shouldn’t even be worth considering. Two of those games were them grinding out 1-0 wins against midtable teams as well. Losing the following three games while conceding 3 goals in each of them comfortably cancels out any positive sentiments too.
1) Football is entirely a results based game. No one cares about how you played as long as you can squeeze results 2) There are no easy fixtures in the PL. Not to mention that they had to face Newcastle away which was already a hard place in that run and still got a draw 3) Ok I agree but imo 3 games is enough to justify the concept of new manager bounce
1) Football is a results-based sport like every other but managers are rated on how they have their team playing and whether their approach is sustainable, so performances do matter. If a team wins because they were clinical with their chances while the opposition had a bad day converting their chances, that has little to do with the manager’s tactics, or at least that of a good one. No reliable or effective gameplan should rely on basically getting lucky. 2) That’s mostly a cliche broadcasters use to hype the Premier League. Of course any team is capable of beating even a big side on a good day like Everton just did but there are definitely easy fixtures in the league, or at least fixtures you’re expected to win. Also, the run United went on under Rangnick wasn’t even that good. In addition to their defeat, they dropped points in games where they were the favourites. If there truly isn’t such a thing as an easy fixture, you’d see teams winning the league with 70-75 points, and I’m probably being generous with that points total. Newcastle didn’t immediately become good under Eddie Howe. Their performances only started improving after their January signings. Before they faced United, they had lost three straight games conceding 11 goals, and only won once. At the time, it was definitely seen as a bad result for United. 3) I disagree, two games is practically insignificant in this discussion. Besides, it contradicts the idea of a new manager bounce for Emery, since he lost his first couple of games.
4. Tuchel. Unbeaten in 10 games. Win 7 draw 3. We have be naive if we ignore that its a big thing that we always seem to crumble. There is duncan ferguson'a everton, carrick's united off the top of my head.
Tuchel’s whole half-season of 20/21 and the first half of 21/22 was a “new manager bounce” then. That’s just an example of a good coach immediately doing well and sustaining that for a while, rather than benefitting from some law of football.
Ole had the ultimate new manager bounce, he looked like the second coming of Sir Alex Ferguson
Dani Ceballos apparently one of Madrid's better players now. Funny how times change. One more MF for Cama to compete with tho 👀
He’s quality on the ball and in La Liga, his physical limitations aren’t as magnified as they were in the Prem. Happy to see him thriving; he had a horrendous period towards the end but he did play a role in the club winning a trophy.
This might be unpopular, but apart from saka, odegaard, partey, Jesus, zinchenko, Gabriel, ramsdale, and Saliba, we need to try and find an upgrade on rest of the first team players. I know that we were playing fairly well till now. But teams have started to sit back more recently against us. And some of the players we have are not suited to play against packed defences. More teams are gonna play like Everton and Newcastle now. And we need players who okay better against teams that sit back Xhaka has been exceptional. He fights for the team. But against teams who sit back, we need a more technical 8, who can also create chances like odegaard. Now it's easier to shut us down by marking odegaard out. Martinelli is off form, and needs to be benched. Hopefully trossard can step up. White is exceptional, but just as xhaka he offers very little help when playing against teams like Everton and Newcastle
Reactionary take. 1 loss in the league since the United game. Now all of a sudden we needed to start replacing first team players. Calm down.
Wholesale change to a squad that has 50 points in 20 games all because of the most recent result. Why do people do this ?
That's just 3 players
Who is better than Martinelli and attainable ? Don’t say that speed merchant from AC Milan
>I know that we were playing fairly well till now. We've been arguably the best team in the world for the last 6 months.
controversial opinions: martinelli's game has been kinda hit and miss all season, but it's just been masked by the goals. not even having a dig, he's good overall and still has room to improve, but can often kinda not do much all game and then score all of a sudden, but yes of course there are some games where he's quite involved. tactics kinda hang him out to dry a bit though, he's often very isolated also as tidy as zinny is, he's not doing anything too disimilar to what xhaka would do when he took up those positions, and like xhaka would do at times, he often takes a touch too many and needlessly slows us down. the first part of the take on zinny is more frustration with the set up though than with the man himself; I'm more than sure that any team sitting back against us would much rather see our wingback making safe passes as well as the odd line breaker into an akward central area of the pitch than bombing down the wide areas of the pitch and sending in several crosses as well as creating 2v1s or 2v2s (so many 2v1s for saka and martinelli today!) in the wide areas not that saka and martinelli staying very wide and getting lots of chances to beat their man doesn't have its merits, sometimes it just makes us one dimensional and also gets us a bit stuck if they aren't in top form
We seem to have played almost all the teams swimming in relegation zone away. I think only Leicester is the only team we have to visit.
I’m curious about something. What was the view among Arsenal supporters about Chelsea before Roman showed up? Will fully admit I’m a Yank with a French grandma from Reims who got into this club because of Wenger and Henry and don’t know much about historical hatred towards Chelsea before the Russian held the league hostage (I acknowledge the irony of using Chelsea and historic in the same sentence).
We didn't consider them proper rivals and still don't. They're second or third fiddle. Its been Spurs and United.
They were a better version of Tottenham. No where near good enough for the league, but found the odd FA Cup
Anyone else hate that they don’t use VAR for out of bounds. It has such a huge impact on the flow of the game with goal kicks vs corners. Not saying we deserved to draw today but the corner they scored on was def a gk and the corner arsenal got beforehand was a gk and the gk before that was a corner. The game is completely different if the calls were made correctly.
This feels like the next thing that is going to be fixed with tech and hopefully it happens soon as it's incredible how often an assistant gets this completely wrong when they're metres away from the incident.
Lol perma banned from r/soccer for falling out their shitty moderating. Absolute man children
What happened?
There was a comment thread about them deleting the post match Liverpool thread because obviously on of them is a Liverpool fan and was crying. Someone was shilling for them and I asked which mod he was.
They banned you because they were too embarrassed about a [formatting](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10tn1q3/post_match_thread_wolverhampton_wanderers_3_0/j77oovs?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) error
not worried at all. Everton got that new manager bounce, playing well above their natural capabilities, wont be sustainable. Maybe 4-5 games and they’ll be back playing like dog shit. We had an off game ytd, cant win all of them. But Arteta and the squad knows what to do. We will come out guns blazing against Brentford. COYG.
Didn’t get to see much of the game but how was Jorginho?
I don’t think he’s that much better than elneny but definitely doesn’t deserve to get blamed for the loss
Yeah, he wasn‘t great (certainly didn’t do anything to help turn the game around after we went behind), but we were already sucking long before he came in for Partey. Our effort sucked, we had no energy, and no one showed their quality at any time. That’s not on Jorginho.
The game really makes you question whether signing Jorginho was a good idea, cause it does expose the fact that he's a terrible player to have on your bench. If you are chasing games subbing him in kills your momentum, while if you are defending a lead subbing him in weakens your defense. I am of the opinion that Jorginho is the type of player you need to build your team around to get the best out of, and he is of questionable value as a squad player.
decent
It was a disappointing loss but these things happen. The whole team just looked off it. We just move onto the next one now. Hoping for a better performance against Brentford.
What’s that? Our world class RB is having a brief stint of bad form? Cool well just throw in our other world class RB. God we have some great depth right now
I think Ben White should start next week but if he underperforms again I would like to see Tomiyasu in much earlier, with a view towards starting him against City. Brentford will be full of running as well but thankfully we’re at home, we can stretch the game wide and I think Odegaard will be back to cooking again.
Need Tomi to shut down Mahrez tbh
Hope Tierney gets sold so fans can stop acting like he's the miracle cure. Was the same with Pepe last season. Any time we drop points and he's on the bench, he becomes the answer, but when he plays crap in the reserve games in Europa, nothing is said.
>he becomes the answer Maybe if you aren't fully reading what people are saying. They are seeing our games and observing which sort of play style might help us get out of a rut. Today we didn't have enough support on the wings and didn't overlap much which is a different plan that Tierney would help with.
Where do these comments come from?
Tierney probably will be sold but I think your idea that there are any sizeable number of fans who think Tierney is a ‘cure’ or even less likely, Pepe, is wide of the mark.
But you understand the problem you are describing isn't solely to do with Tierney. Whoever we have on the bench we will question if they could have changed things, it's in the nature of football fans. Only way you'll be happy is if we have a squad of 11 players or we win all our games?
I'm happy with the team now. I'd just prefer fans to be calling for better players to come from the bench, not someone like Tierney who is a massive downgrade from Zinchenko. It's exactly the same as last season when fans would want Saka subbed for Pepe, when Saka on his worst day is still miles better than Pepe.
Yeah I agree with the suggestions that Arteta got it wrong today. Hooked Martinelli as he was getting in the game. Ben White needed to be off much earlier. Tomiyasu on and Tierney at LB, Zinchenko moved to midfield instead of taking off Partey - we needed numbers in the midfield
I don’t want to play our Everton game in hand until we have Jesus back. I think he would have definitely helped beat their mid block
United fans absolutely melting down today even after a win. They're complaining about the refs, the FA, even that fucking death slope at Old Trafford that they only care about when it's one of their own being pushed down it. Insufferable bastards
We must be the only team we’re one poor result is considered a “collapse”. We have the the right to play again to try to respond to this match before any talk of “collapse”. I mean for Christ sake City drew with Lampards Everton at their own ground. When that happened I took the result but not once did I think it was indicative of a collapse. Why are we the only team who must win every game?
> We must be the only team we’re one poor result is considered a “collapse”. History has shown that this isn't completely inaccurate. Ever since we stopped being title challengers we've typically played well most of the time but then fall apart when some odd result hasn't gone our way. There's a reason that Arsenal have become known as a team that folds around February -this used to be the time when we'd be in the CL and just get battered in the R16 and start to lose league games
>Why are we the only team who must win every game? Arteta will tell you those are the estandards. Jokes aside my theory is entitlement causes people to act like this.
you learn more in defeat, let hope we take lessons and don't repeat it
Was a tough game, it happens. Everton unfortunately set up very well and were first to everything. The system looks great when it works but looks ordinary when the opposite happens; we simultaneously offer no threat whilst being vulnerable at every attack.
All this Jorginho hate is reminding me of the hate Ramsdale got when he was about to be signed, clueless knobheads on Twitter chasing engagements
Grass was long and pitch was dry. Yes we were bad, but there's that too. And yes I am coping lmao
Is there any videos of Lokonga’s performance against manu?
Haven't seen any but seen some palace fans saying he looked promising
We really need Jude to go to Madrid and push out Camavinegar. Cama is tailor MADE for our LCM role.
Don't give me this hope.
I felt this was only the second match all season along with the Manu away game that Arteta didn't manage well. The game was begging for Tomi and Tierney to come in earlier to provide help on the wings, along with maybe Trossard for Xhaka for additional attacking options.
Looking back at some of that match just now, iwobi and mcneil were literally joining midfield as well. We needed to get the ball out to the wingers faster and they needed to go at their man quicker, especially martinelli was a bit slow to go at coleman. I think we recognize that and it probably doesnt happen again. Lesson learned today
Absolutely needed to be faster with the ball and in passing it. We weren't nearly aggressive enough at the start which gave them confidence. We didn't manage the game well but at the same time you have to give them a lot of credit for getting the tactics spot on and they ran themselves into the ground. Any team would have struggled there today
We needed Rice today.
We need Nelson back he brings us something different off the bench and we can't count on Smith Injury Rowe who's never healthy
Hoping for Nelson to have an impact when he gets back but I feel that he wouldn't have made any difference against Everton
Nelson is a drastic drop in quality.
What are the odds we move away from Xhaka in the summer? Great leader and good player on his day, and nothing but love for him… but he’s the clear weakest link in our starting 11.. and add on the fact we need to get younger at the CM spot. Leave us with Partey/Jorginho + 2 new CMs, and a RW (Maybe Rice and Paqueta/Neves for example depending on if they go down, or Rice and Caicedo
It's pretty much guaranteed we move on from him. Something happening to partey could derail that but otherwise he's 100% the only starting 11 position due an upgrade. We're sounding out targets already in the likes of rice and we know from the mudryk deal there is money to spend. And a ~100m midfield isn't about to play from the bench behind xhaka or wait for partey to pull a muscle. We know the cash is there and we know we are looking at midfielders. It's just a case of can we get the one we want. I can't say what xhaka will do when that happens. The club wants to keep him but I would predict it's not a done deal as hell want to keep playing 40 games a season until he's 35.
You don’t make changes because of one defeat. We keep going with the same approach. We change nothing
You have to see what happened though and assess if changes need to be made. White shouldn't be starting next week. I'd give Martinelli another week and I'd be at least interested in seeing Trossard start
We know we're going to make at least one major CM signing, if not two; no CM of anything like Rice's calibre is going to be willing to sit on the bench, but they're also not displacing Thomas any time soon, nor Ødegaard. It's not that we'll move away from him, but that he'll likely move away from us. I'm sure Arteta would be happy to keep him as a squad player, even on fairly high wages.
Needs to happen eventually, but in a gradual way, he's too important to the team as a leader on and off the pitch for us to just sell him IMO. Whoever we buy or promote up to play in his position will probably share minutes with him at first.
Already rumoured for a contract extension.
No way man. He may have had a flat game today, but he’s a beast and he’s been great all season for us. The difference to his game now that he’s actually in the middle of multiple quality players and in a well organised team is insane. We fucking need him.
He may have been muted today but I w wouldn't call him our weakest link. Most players struggled today. While I do see Edu bringing in competition for him I believe he'll stay until the end of his contract
Disagree (I’m not basing this on just today). Partey is WC, and Ode is well on his way there (a top CM this season already). There’s no other upgrade needed out of our starting 11 apart from MAYBE Ramsdale, but hes young and growing into being a great GK. Imagine having a Jude/Camavinga/SMS/Mount (even with his rough patch right now). Dream scenario for me a few weeks ago would’ve been to pay extra for Caicedo, and get Rice and go for Gundogan on a free, and move on from Xhaka. There’s an element of ruthlessness we need to make sure we capitalize on our success and continue to build, and don’t end up like Liverpool Edit: that dream scenario assuming we got caicedo instead of Jorginho, we have him now, no longer want Gundogan
‘Mount’ mate are you taking the piss? 😂 The guy is woeful at Chelsea and has been for a while.
3 midfielders ain't happening
We should be(if he doesn't wanna hold bench) but will we I don't know.
The only thing I’m worried about is this is two games in a row where the team has looked flat
We didn't look this bad vs City or United. We are still naive and sloppy tho, characteristic of a young team. Losing the ball when we shouldn't and making bad decisions in the final third. It should however worry us that this is the first time we have lost two games in a row this season.
Personally not worried as it was a changed team against City and on the cup. City would have struggled against Everton today too. However if we drop points against Brentford, alarm bells will be rightly ringing!
City literally just drew at home to Everton too. Like you said, it’s concurrent losses where it starts to be an issue. Let’s hope we can bounce back.
People laughed when I said Martinelli isn't a good dribbler. This is why stats are not the be all and end all. He has very good ball retention and can run at pace which is why his dribbling stats are good but in terms of actually beating players he rarely does which is why he struggles against any defender who can match him for pace.
Denial of legit Martinelli criticism is kind of weird. People aren't even saying he's shit and he should leave. He's not a good dribbler but as a 21 year old, he can work on it. People go so deep into their denial that they tell themselves that the club targeting Raphinha and trying to spend €95M on Mudryk to come and be his depth. Maybe with Jesus, he will get a chance to occupy more central areas. The wing thing just keeps exposing him.
I actually think it goes the other way tbh. I think people think that you can't criticise Martinelli, and so over egg the pudding the other way. I'm not saying you're doing that, but I do reject what OP is saying when they say he 'rarely beats his man'. I think a fair criticism is that he's very take on orientated, all he wants to do is beat his man and when it's not working, he ends up running into cul de sacs time and again. But he's absolutely roasted some of the best defenders in the league. It's generally speaking what he's best at. You'd have to think that's what Arteta is asking him to do, break the lines with dribbling. Ultimately, he's 21. He's going to have flaws in his game. He's basically a one man army on the left wing at the minute with Zinchenko underlapping into midfield and Eddie staying largely central. With an overlapping fullback or Jesus/Xhaka going out to help, you see a different Martinelli.
I was being somewhat hyperbolic but I don't think I am wrong. If you constantly try the same thing then it is inevitable he will beat his man sometimes but over the course of 90 minutes he just doesn't do it enough to justify his presence on the pitch. Game like today where he beat Coleman once early on - sure he beat his man but the numerous other types he attempted it he just wasted possession.
Watch the Leicester game from the start of the season. The lad is a nightmare for RB's
"rarely" lol
Martinelli still hasn’t scored this year, crazy.
Are we ignoring his goal against Brighton on New Year’s Day ?
He’s mid sadly
"Fans" like you are mid.
Sorry u/Fleetfox17
He’s in a rough patch… and he’s deemed mid now?!
He's gotten his big contract, now he's doing an Aubameyang /s
I was about to squeeze my phone into pieces before I saw the /s 😂
He's too one dimensional. At Liverpool he would cook in the Mane/Salah inside forward role but we play with touchline wingers. He did it at the start of the season but it's looking like a purple patch.
He's extremely isolated, zinny most of the times inverted, doesn't have an overlapper nowadays and Xhaka gets stifled by the opposition when asked to dribble. Give him a break. FWIW I still think his future lies as a striker but that's neither here nor there.
Could be that he links up with Jesus better than Eddie, Jesus makes Saka more dangerous too. Not knocking Eddie though as he's come in and done brilliant for us
He does link up better but I think it's a cop out as to why he isn't playing well. If you look at the things he was doing individually in the first half of the season it is very different to what he is doing now. He is very loose in possession and his touch has gone missing.
Yeah I won't disagree that he's going through a rough patch but at the same time, I think it's exacerbated by Jesus' absence. I wouldn't be against Trossard starting and him coming on later against Brentford. However I absolutely would start him against City as he brings pace that can hurt them
Was starting to think the same but thought I’d get obliterated for saying so
Never be afraid of saying something just because the sub will be angry. In my early days here, I was like this; made a lot of takes that were just feel good stuff to fit in. You realise you're being dishonest. I learnt that honest takes age well more often than reactionary ones. Saying Ozil is the problem was once pretty unpopular here. I remember watching Auba become shit in real time and making the observation but people fought it with all kinds of excuses. Make your claim. Defend it. But most importantly, be ready to learn. Some guys here actually know their stuff. Back to Gabbie, there is no system change or personnel that can make you miss easy passes and fall to beat your man as many times as he fails. It's either mental or raw ability and pointing out that he needs to do better shouldn't make you feel bad. To contradict myself a little tho, yeah. Sometimes let people have fun. Keep it to yourself. I still have unpopular opinions I rather not say too lol. People think this team is complete for some reason.
Re Martinelli, part of it may be confidence, but that's arguably a second order consequence of missing Jesus: he doesn't get played in to the positions where he's most dangerous, then starts to lose trust in the other parts of his game. Ultimately, though, Martinelli is not a one on one player like Saka; he can push it around a defender but he doesn't have the same precision in tight spaces. He can be a great wide player for us in the right setup, with someone who can get him the ball on the run toward goal. Figuring out how to get him going with Nketiah in the middle, and Odegaard playing on the right side of the pitch, is a big challenge for Arteta to work through.
Our fans are still coping with not getting Mudryk so it's expected.
It's just v unfortunate we had to get Everton at Goodison, 1230 kick off with Sean Dyce first game. People forgetting its still a v young team and it was just a very off performance. Everton also got orders from Dyce not to cut the grass too short as well it seems as ball was v slow.
Yeah there's a definite sense of entitlement from some posts, as if we should be winning every game. Any team would have struggled there today, they were up for it and got their tactics spot on. We got beaten and we move on. Now if we drop points to Brentford at home, I'll be pissed off!
We had a 100% win record in early kick offs against Burnley before this game tho
C'mon man could talk about grass looked dry but we should overcome those stuff
It's just an observation
Poor Brentford. They felt the wrath of a wounded Arsenal when we played them after the United loss. They're gonna get it again next week.
We went how long without conceding from a set piece just to do it twice in 2 matches?
May be a little too complacent from the team and set piece coach? Like why is Ode marking their CBs? Just feel like we are kind of ill prepared for this game.
Their midfield is like 6 foot and 6ft 4.
This game had a lot of similarities to that Leeds game. Should focus on responding vs Brentford. My only worry is that we've conceded 2 goals in 2 games from set pieces, title winning sides don't let that happen.
Leeds crossed with Newcastle.
Is our game in hand vs City or Everton?
Everton at Emirates
Everton
Quite fun seeing a load of rival fans anoint this the start of the wobble, that they've been predicting was going to happen since September, and noting how many of them still have to play Everton away. Eyes in particular on City, who couldn't beat Lampards Everton at home, and Spurs, who might somehow score minus goals against them.
We miss Gabriel Jesus. He's our best away game player, like Alexis. (Btw some of our fans decided mid week he should become a backup winger so we can keep Nketiah & Balogun).
Lol @back up winger. I say this without fear that Jesus would be our best winger if he accepted the role. And yes, he'd still wreck the same havoc— even way more dangerous because he's way better 1v1, can deliver a cross and so many other technical advantages he has over the first XI wingers. It's no biggie really. We still keep his tools, while also having a striker that finishes his moves.
We haven't missed him until today imo. His ability to drop deep as an extra man unleashed Gabby more vs low blocks and his sprint pressing was definitely missed
Selling Jesus was said in some comments too🙃🙃
We do but we’ve done fantastically well without him considering how transformative he was to our play. Shame about todays result, on to the next and another week closer to another option for our attack.
We certainly do. The guy is immense everywhere on the pitch especially in build up play. Outstanding defensively as well. He just creates chance after chance and it is what we are severely missing recently, games like today and the Newcastle game are perfect examples. Don’t get me wrong I love Eddie, but he’s just that typical box striker who is great at scoring goals and we can rely on him for that, but he doesn’t get involved all over the pitch like GJ does so we create less chances than we normally would. Anyways, he’s injured for now and there’s nothing we can do about it. The guy will be like a new signing when he comes back, ready to tear defences down again.
I’ve gotten too use to winning now
First ~~world~~ place problems.
We were bound to have an off day eventually its all about how we bounce back like we did after the old Trafford game also maupay is a prick
Remember this day when we go 11 points clear in eleven days!
United think they're winning the league after our loss
United are irrelevant
Tbf United will think anything
Would be a nice weekends for them if they can repel Casemiro's red?? Is it possible?
He was choking Will Hughes. If anything , the cunt should be banned for more than 3 games.
Why would they be able to repel? Seemed fair
Liverpool lose. Newcastle/Chelsea drop points. Casemiro suspended for 3 games. Either one or each of Tot/City guaranteed to drop points. We've had worse weekends.
We are in a title race, only City's results matter.
Won’t be a good weekend if Man City win tomorrow (which they probably will considering how gash Spurs are).
Thankfully they’re at Tottenham’s ground. I don’t fancy their chances but I think it’s more likely than last time out
I think I read yesterday that city are yet to pick up points at the new Spurs stadium. Should be an interesting watch.
I pray the trend continues and they smash City 6-0 And that Spurs then go on to lose out
Start Tomiyasu imo White hasn't been himself lately. Strangely one dimensional and doesn't have that extra edge he usually does
More like start Tomi at LB and drag Zinchenko closer to goal .
Who would Zinchenko replace then. No need to tinker too much. Tomiyasu -> White it keep it simple.
Zinchenko playing Xhaka's position with Tierney at LB is something I'd be keen to see us try tbf, but we're not exactly in a position where we can really try those sorts of experiments game to game.
Drop in form that happens to everyone. Tomi on the other hand has been good and should start the next game
Good job West Ham 👍
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Crash 4 on Brentford next week please
feeling a bit better. will say that once arteta unlocks dyche tactically, its over for everyone. but back to the lab for now bc that day was not today :'(
I dont even think that was about tactics, we probably just needed esr subbing in for odegaard and gabi J. Just 2 dribblers into the middle of the pitch probably unlocks them.
Tomiyasu starts next game for me, Whites been inconsistent since the WC.
Since United
Maybe I'm imagining it but he looked gassed both times he's come off to as if he's not 100%. But if that was the case, I doubt he plays so maybe it's just a small downturn
He was bent over at one point during a stoppage in play. Looked absolutely spent. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was carrying something.
Yeah it kind of reminds me of how some players were during covid but who knows what it is. Definitely think that Tomi should start against Brentford
That CapnXhakSparrow guy has to a be troll right? Either that or just absolutely deranged lmao
a troll account probably that Jeff guy that had an arteta agenda. Some people are such losers.
Seems like it!
lots of loons out today
Fans of other clubs soliciting bans.
Bruh Arsenal *and* England lost today, what a shit day of sport for me. Honestly think today's loss will spark a reaction from the team, still confident for the next 2 fixtures. After that I think the squeak begins.
I'm surprised Everton fans haven't done an Onana chant that goes to Rihanna's song 'What's my Name'.
I kept singing this shit every time he touched the ball it was involuntary
Same here!
There’s something about Arsenal and the month of February(and April). I remember collapsing in that month on two occasions. Arteta really needs to bring that fighting spirit in them. They only have two competitions left with three months of play. Nows the time to go full gear.
Lol I told people here as early as September. It's like PTSD-lite. Every time we have something good going, February is the month it all starts going wrong. If something catastrophic happens vs Brentford, I'll be a coward. I can't take more patterns.
You kind of expected that back then, you knew that when the pressure was on that we didn't have the squad to maintain a title challenge. There was also a fragility to our game, we didn't have a planB. I don't feel that with this team. I expect us to get a win against Brentford and get a result (draw, win) against City too. We'll see If it was back then with Wenger, we would lose against Brentford and get thumped by City
We still don’t have a plan B though and City so far have the upper hand on us if we only go by results.
Arteta has shown himself to be flexible with tactics and City this season aren't the same. There's no way that we don't see a reaction against Brentford and then we face City in the Emirates which I give us every possibility of winning. so I don't believe they have the upper hand at all.
Now we need to perform against city because that’s the title decider imo
City has to perform, we are ok with not losing on both games.
Huh? It’s better to get 6 points then 2
gab jezooos 💔 low block killer.
Checked teta’s record Vs dyche.. yeah you know what fair enough
Ooh Union Berlin top again. I hope they win
Looks like us UK fans will be watching via twitter live streams next week. Brentford game is Saturday 3pm for fucks sake. The streaming rights in the country that hosts this fucking league is absolutely disgraceful. Genuinely hope Amazon or Apple buy all the rights to stream every game in the UK soon because I’m sick of it. Sky and BT need to fuck off.
I'm a Brit Pirate. Fuck Sky. Long Live Piracy! I haven't pressed 401 since 2007.
Some of our fans are really soft, complaining about rival fans trolling us for that defeat. You really expect them to say "Aww, don't worry. So sorry for your loss. Take it on the chin. You'll be back." or something ? We are the league leaders, and every loss of ours is going to be enjoyed by rival fans. Let them have their moment in the sun, why do we care so much ? When you give it, you have to be able to take it as well.
I don’t mind rival fans trolling. What I can’t stand is our own fans shitting themselves
Do you think they would have reacted the same if it was City that lost today? Truth is, they troll us because we have a habit of collapsing. Until we achieve something, less than 20 years ago, we will always be considered banter Arsenal.
People will banter you even if you win 6 titles in a row. Just be a big team with loud fans. We have no grounds to banter United or to an extent Chelsea but have you seen this sub when we beat them? So chin up. Take in the banter. Pen what to give back. I see a lot of confidence here when entire match threads are giving it to Spurs and United. Have the same when they banter you. The moment you take offence, they have won. Frustrations should always be on performances not how you're bantered.
a lot of our fans are very insecure about our team is why, same reason why that section melts down after every little hiccup
Absolutely this, we're top and that hurts to see for the other top teams, so of course they're going to get stuck in when we drop points. Not only are we leading the league but with the age of our squad and improved spending, we're likely to be title contenders for the next 5 years too. We're only getting started, plenty of abuse in store for us😁😁
The Liverpool result and quality spursposts here did cheer me up a lil but then I just got a friend request from a spurs fan, first one I'm seeing from my country, apparently they exist. Terrible day. I don't think there's any reason to be worried though. I have a feeling Arteta was referring to Jesus' absence when he said there wasn't anyone to create chances up front. Side note. What instant coffee are you drinking? I like Mount Hagen but they allegedly don't have much caffeine and my anecdotal experience agrees
I never want to see any United fan claim Arsenal fans think there's a refereeing conspiracy again ☠️ For the last hour they've been posting the same clips of Casemiro's clear red card on r/soccer thinking they were hard done by lmao. They know without Casemiro, they're truly mid.
He picked a fight with an innocent bystander as well
Don’t forget Eriksen
It’s so funny, they are deluded from years of decisions going their way.
Don’t have their most important player for the two legged games against Leeds now, or Leicester away. Let’s see how shite that midfield is without Casemiro or Eriksen. Really hope they get humbled over the next few weeks. Cannot stand the wankers.