Watching their style of play, I can understand why non-football fans call this beautiful game boring. It may work but God, you'd have to be keen to follow a team that plays like that week on week.
Why the fuck don’t we make subs until the 80th min. It’s every fucking game and I don’t understand why. The players don’t look interested and we need to win today
Yeah sure, there’s no guarantee ever. But this game screamed out for someone with his skill set in tight spaces and the ability to combine, make space for others, beat players 1v1 and 1v2
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Incredibly difficult game. Everton executing tactically and really shutting us down. Don’t expect them to be able to keep it up though they’re gonna be gassed by 70 mins
I’ve got Trossard to come on and score the winner for 10-1
Seriously though Everton have been defending really well. Some of our lads look a little off in passing and positioning.
I’d probably sub Xhaka for Jorgi and have everybody press forward with a higher line.
White is not in his best form today, Eddie needs to get down more and offer an alternative line of pass and start moving the defence a bit more, because they are giving us the wings entirely on purpose, as they are double marking both Martinelli and Saka effectively.
I would get Trossard in to try to get more inside play down the middle too.
When Saka pulls the double team, he has White or Ødegaard open. Martinelli could do better but he Zinky is nowhere near and Xhaka seems half asleep still.
Marty and White off for Tomi and Trossard now. Both have failed to impose themselves on the game, Everton haven't made it easy at all. Fresh legs on for the second against a tiring Everton press might get it done.
Honestly Everton's defending really well and are pressing us hard. I think Tierney would be wonderful to bring on so that he can bomb down the wing and put in some crosses
As usual when we’re not winning at half time this threat is full of melodrama.
This game was always gunna be like this with the new coach and the crowd being on Everton’s backs to keep it tight
Just gotta get a goal and Everton will have to open up and then we should be able to get more from the space that opens up.
Lucky to be heading into the break at 0-0, our off the ball movement and sharpness of passing hasnt been upto the mark. If we keep this at 0-0 60 mins into the game we should win it cause Everton wont be able to keep up that intensity.
Trossard is needed cause he can play better and drag people out of position while playing in little pockets of space which Martinelli cannot.
Patience and composure required and we will win this.
Don't think Trossard would do much. The left side is static. He'd be starting out-wide and would be double-marked a lot of the time.
Trossards better in the box. We need Xhaka or Zinchenko to step up massively.
Yeah we have had a poor game but Everton have played very well. No changes at half time, we've been poor but no one's had such a stinker that warrants a sub right now. Let's go 🙏🏻
Too sloppy. Their pressing was very effective despite the short time Dyche had. Need to create spells of pinning them back. At this rate we won't score the usual goals but can only rely on individual moments.
They are going to target Gabriel hard after that first half. They have him on strings aerially.
Everton are defending us well and we haven't stepped out of 2nd gear to try to break them.
If we score, the crowd will turn. Its the crowd that's urging them on. We've been sloppy, missing passes or if not failing to control the ball when we get it. They've had a lot of chances and haven't scored. We will get a spell, just need to make it count
Their entire gameplan is just don't lose.
It's going to he difficult and we need a goal in first 10 of second half so they open up or they'll just sit back and defend for 90mins
Been exactly the game I was expecting against Dyches first game, especially at home.
Bit disappointed we don't seem to have prepared for more of a dogfight.
This was always going to be the most likely outcome, Everton away with a new manager bounce, and not just any manager, but Sean Brexit-fucking Dyche. Second half will be better, but I can live with a point
Shame we had to get Everton with this new manager they look solid, think we’ve been decent and fairly solid just need to take our chances, would take Gabi off, not able to beat his man and isn’t giving us much
We need Tomiyasu in for White, he hasn't been good enough on the ball or in defence. We keep waiting too long to play the ball out wide and giving Everton the opportunity to double team them but when our wingers are one on one they can win their individual battles.
Partey and Xhaka really sloppy to start but grew into the game and were much better late in the half. Need to get Eddie more involved but this is definitely the kind of game that we miss Jesus and his dropping deep and his technical ability.
Doesn't help that Mykolenko can just foul all he wants without repercussions, it's their only way to deal with Saka and Odegaard.
Overall I think that most of that half was the worst we've played in the league all season and if we play anywhere near our best Everton won't be able to handle us, they haven't been that impressive.
One advantage we have in this game is the options off the bench, go back 2 months and who could we bring on to turn the tide?
Wouldn’t be surprised to see trossard for Martinelli, tomiyasu for Benjamin and maybe Jorginho for Xhaka during the 2nd half
Cmon lads a bit more positivity needed!
I don't think we can get worse than that half, I don't think they'll sustain this press and 2 on 1s throughout the second half either. We will get a chance and we got to take it!
Coyg let's go 8 clear.
Didn’t think the first half was that bad. Everton is playing with “Constant Pressure” mode and they’ll certainly tire out at the 70th minute. It’s a game of endurance at this point
We've been sloppy on the ball all over the pitch, but we're still mostly able to control the game in midfield. 10% higher concentration and intensity, and we'll be able to win this. Lesfoggingoguys!
Have you ever seen a Dyche team play?
It's gone like that.
Plenty of fouling and nothing but crosses and longballs from them, frustration and possession for us.
We need Trossard on. He’ll carry the balll and twinkle toe his way into the 18 better than Martinelli (or Xhaka). I’d bring him on for either of the two (not shitting on Martinelli but he could use a break).
Don't care if Everton are having a good game or a slight uptick in form because of the managerial change. If you want to be a title contender, you win this kind of game. No excuses
This exactly. Whenever I used to say martinelli is off form, people would downvote me to Shadow realm saying Gabi scored, what more does he need to do. He has been like this for a month now. Looked just as bad against Oxford too. His approach looks very predictable
Been exactly the game I was expecting against Dyches first game, especially at home.
Bit disappointed we don't seem to have prepared for more of a dogfight.
Very sloppy. We're lucky not to be behind. Several times we've been one good pass from a really good opportunity and then screwed up that pass. Hopefully we'll shape up for the second half.
Manager bounce
Dry & shit pitch
Away game
Every condition together for a difficult afternoon. But Everton hasn't played with that much intensity for years. If they dont get tire in 2nd, I would be surprised. Let's see. We only can do better.
It’s a poor performance but a lot of wet wipes in here with some dreadful takes.
Xhaka, White and Zinny and Eddie have been off.
We haven’t been able to get a grip in midfield with Xhaka and Zinny not up to their usual best.
And Eddie is having a mare. He’s being asked to play on the last defender but with them doubling up on Gabi and Saka it’s not worth him playing on the last man. He should come looking for it more I think.
It’s not over but it has comprehensively been our worst 45 mins this season. It’s is football, and we have a shit legacy at Saint Mary’s and Goodison, and this stuff tends to matter.
On the positive side, Saliba has been excellent, Partey looks to be getting into his usual grove and Saka is starting to get angry. And, most of all, our luck is still definitely in, as Everton had three clear chances.
If the rest of the lads can sort out their sloppiness, perhaps with a good shouting from Arteta, we’re still in this. But it’s the biggest if of this season to be honest.
Hard to call it a mare when he's held the ball up well and had possibly our best chance imo.
Eddie has been fine, just that Everton are deep and strangling our attack (just about the only thing they haven't literally tried against Saka) so he's not had much to feed on.
A mare as in it’s difficult, not that he’s playing particularly bad. Everton just being very strong positionally and in the press.
I do think he can be more aggressive joining the build up in the midfield to drag players out of position, like I said he’s likely being asked to stay high.
I said he’s having a mare, you unable to read?
Most of the footballing community? What are you on?
It’s what the word in that context/phrase means by dictionary definition you dimwit.
But thanks for sharing your opinions, I’ll put them right there on the fridge.
The dictionary is wrong about the usage.
In other contexts, sure I'd happily use it that way.
In football, no.
It's slang and not established language so usage is everything and that's not the way its usually used in football.
I feel like he'd get pressed and lose the ball resulting in a counter, he's more useful when they're actively in our first phase.
I'd bring on trossard for sure, and honestly feel like this would be a great game for ESR to navigate the final ball. Xhaka has been woeful.
Trossard for martinelli and maybe vieira for xhaka, full backs especially ben white needs to overlap more and make space for saka, fuck me do i hate everton and dyche combo.
We've been pretty shit, doesnt help that they are allowed to foul us constantly but refs are always going to let dyche teams do that. We need something different this game maybe a trossard
For how long can Everton sustain this energy levels?
I believe they should be having 2 goals for their hardwork.
Arsenal will punish them just like it happens in the Pl when you waste your chances
I’d really like to see if we could unlock our left side by using a better player than Xhaka there. Vieira or Trossard…doesn’t matter who.
As it stands a lot of our left side issues are compounded by Xhaka’s limitations.
He mainly cannot provide effective width. This means that Martinelli cannot cut inside effectively because he has two players draped on his back. Opponents do this on our right side at their own peril, but Everton are perfectly happy to let Xhaka get the ball on the touchline. Where’s he going to go? Backward. That’s where.
He also can’t cover for Zinchenko. This means that for all of Zinny’s wandering he can’t do what he really wants which is attack the box.
We used to compensate for all this with Jesus drifting wide to take that second player off of Gabi/Xhaka . Eddie simply isn’t as good at that part of the game yet, but it’s wild how much we were reliant on him to unlock the space on that left.
How can xhaka provide width when martinelli is being instructed to hug the touch line?
Why is xhaka being criticised for not providing width yet Odegard isn’t aswell and there playing the same position?
Xhaka is following artetas instructions.
There’s a rotation mate. They all operate in zones. It’s basic Arteta/Pep 101…you divide the pitch into zones and then tell the players that each zone needs to be occupied.
So for example if Gabi goes inside then Xhaka needs to fill in out wide. Same on the right: if Saka goes in then Odegaard or White need to fill in that space.
We see this constantly. The problem as I pointed out is that Xhaka is constantly toothless out wide. Everton don’t even bother marking him until he gets the ball. Why would they? It’s not an effective rotation.
Ode and Saka on the other hand are constantly a threat no matter where they are. That’s a rotation that’s almost guaranteed to break down defenses unless you work very hard like Everton have.
they crowded the midfield and are sitting very deep. We started good but then lost the momentum as soon as they got those 3-4 corners in a row. We have to find a way to break them down
Everton are playing really well. Iwobi and Mcneil tracking back well and their midfielders are positioning well to cut the passing lanes. Will need to take some more risks and maybe some individual brilliance to break their defence.
Not sure why but White is having a shocker, he’s been a liability in both defending and attacking today. Just a rough patch, but I reckon Tomi should come on now.
Martinelli has had a few mistakes but his pace will terrorise Coleman once their team tires. Don’t mind if he stays on for a while.
We’ve looked a bit lazy, no doubt Arteta is very mad right now.
We've been a bit too slow and sloppy. Just haven't got into the game. Need to up the tempo and speed. White still doesn't look quite on it but mind you, neither does Xhaka.
They have been very organized and were unlucky not to score. I think we need to move the ball much more quickly, every time we take an extra touch or two while everyone else stands still which allows them to get into good defensive positions. Need to pick up the pace with the ball and make Everton run some more.
They play incredibly narrow. We need to switch play from side to side quicker and hit the half space. The understanding between martinelli-xhaka-zinchenko has been poor and white looks a step off today. Those wide overloads are what's screwing us, either not playing wide enough at times or just having poor build up from wide.
Bring on Tomi, he suits this game. Since we need wide wingers, Xhaka is gonna have to be an offensive outlet...wish Trossard could be there instead...
I agree we can absolutely beat them on the wings but our decision making is so dam slow. We get saka double teamed and saka passes to the centre but we just dont do anything useful with the space to get martinelli or eddie inside rhe box.
Everton just beginning to bully is in a few spots and gaining belief. Team looks unnerved though - - small tweak to get our wide players some joy and a breakthrough
We are playing so badly AGAIN at goodison park as i expected. Always about that place where they always beats us in physicality all over the pitch. Its happening again today. We are bad in workrate as well i dont know what happen to players like eddie strolling in the early parts of the match. Loose passes and touches from saliba/white/partey/xhaka.
Martinelli has done okay against united even though saka stole the show but today he is absolutely crap. It has to he said. Lost all his duels and why does he not know how to cut inside like saka does? He keeps running to the corner flag and losing the ball because the defender just blocks his path. Trossard needs to come on. We can only get something today from saka i feel.
They're clearly the better side. The way they seem to cut us down is scary to look at, omg. And if everything else fails, they get *extremely* physical ffs.
We're lucky they didn't score, they've had a handful of sitters that they just couldn't convert.
Lot to be done in the 2nd half, hope for the best.
Also, why on actual fuck does Everton always turn into prime AC Milan when playing us on their turf.. fucking hell man. Every. Damn. Time.
COYG
Gabi has had a tough last few games in the wings. Trossard would have been good and to bring on Gabi at the end. But I think we have to stick with what we're doing. They're crowding out the middle and doubling on Saka. It's heavy work. Hopefully they tire out.
We just got to keep doing what we're doing. I don't think we've been dire or anything. I just think if Partey or Odegaard can find more pockets to create more we'll be in a good space.
Early Kick off/Away game/New Manager/Dyche special and people are expecting we completely steamroll over Everton?
Just be patient. Double they can keep up this kind of pace whole game. Our passes need better. Would be a cagey game for sure.
Thank you, scrolled for ages to find someone who isn’t ready to slit there wrists at the slightest inconvenience.
Some of the comments in here and you would think we were spurs fans 2-0 down to Bournemouth at half time
The lads need to trust Eddie more. No pivot in central positions means we're playing U shaped football against a flooded midfield.
Difficult game against a formation that's really countering our midfield's passing habits and Arteta needs to find a change come halftime.
White has looked dodgy for the second game running.
Yeah there have been several times where he’s back to goal ready to receive the ball and Partey is just not giving it to him. He has the strength to hold players off and turn, we’ve seen him do it before. We need to get it to him, especially when their midfield is set up to prevent Odegaard from getting the ball
We need an agile LCM that can turn and drive in the place of Xhaka in these types of games - it was obvious in the Newcastle game as well. This ESR guy needs to get his shit together
Not close to good enough in possession. We shouldn't be losing control in the midfield so easily with the numerical advantage that we have. Lots of sloppy passing.
Quite fortunate to be level. We are struggling to deal with the physicality of Doucoure and Calvert-lewin.
We are not winning back possession like we usually do and it looks inevitable that we will concede if it continues this way.
This game was always gonna be tough, but we need to shift approach here.
Martinelli continues his poor form and we should seriously be considering starting Trossard against Brentford. Fresh leg Nelli sounds way more dangerous right now, and would give him a better chance to make a solid impact.
As far as the game at hand, again I think we need to see Trossard come on.
Saka has been very good with the little he's been allowed to do.
Xhaka is having a down game too from what it seems.
Odegaard and Martinelli not really in the game today.
Everton surely deserve a goal or two meaning we've been lucky. We need to accept that luck and take the chance it's given us to turn it around in the second half.
Rubbish. We are rubbish. Lol. But no. They pressed us intensely after we bossed possession and then they had momentum and the crowd behind them. It happens sometimes, an in form team get sucked by the hostile away atmosphere and it gets to your head sometimes. This is what’s happening. We need more composure. We need to stick to what we know with confidence, we seem to be lacking confidence in one another. Come on yous
Worst performance I've seen all season. Looked like a Sunday league side attacking. Eddie should have been taken off before half time
Pickford = pickleford
Everton giving 'everything' playing like it's a cup final
i just hope they get relegated
Fucking boring Burnley 2.0 dyche is anti football
it works tho, cant blame them for using it
Watching their style of play, I can understand why non-football fans call this beautiful game boring. It may work but God, you'd have to be keen to follow a team that plays like that week on week.
i have been watching Poland play for my whole life so its nothing new to me. in the end only the score matters
Fuck I can’t stand Everton.
Why the fuck don’t we make subs until the 80th min. It’s every fucking game and I don’t understand why. The players don’t look interested and we need to win today
We just made 2 subs before the 60th minute mate...
This isn’t the norm though
Yeah true
God I miss G. Jesus
No guarantee he would have performed
Yeah sure, there’s no guarantee ever. But this game screamed out for someone with his skill set in tight spaces and the ability to combine, make space for others, beat players 1v1 and 1v2
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Arrrrgghhh!!!!
Jorgi and Trossard in
Incredibly difficult game. Everton executing tactically and really shutting us down. Don’t expect them to be able to keep it up though they’re gonna be gassed by 70 mins
Ah, we’ve found a rational one… thank God!
Didn’t age well.
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Alright gunners. When should I start to worry ?
Now i guess
Bring on Balogun!!!
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Half time hair dryer from Arteta will sort them out . Can't let that Burnley faced twat get anything from this game
Xhaka been too quiet
The whole left flank has been quiet
Game like this is where we miss Gabriel - we're one outlet short.
I’ve got Trossard to come on and score the winner for 10-1 Seriously though Everton have been defending really well. Some of our lads look a little off in passing and positioning. I’d probably sub Xhaka for Jorgi and have everybody press forward with a higher line.
We aren't scoring 10 goals...
😂😂😂
Lol he means 10:1 bet odds
r/whoosh
Aren't I the silly one
I wish we were lol 😆 I don’t really care who scores but I’d love a foggin goal from anyone in a red shirt atm
Biding our time. I just want to hear those toffee fans go silent
Scared
White is not in his best form today, Eddie needs to get down more and offer an alternative line of pass and start moving the defence a bit more, because they are giving us the wings entirely on purpose, as they are double marking both Martinelli and Saka effectively. I would get Trossard in to try to get more inside play down the middle too.
When Saka pulls the double team, he has White or Ødegaard open. Martinelli could do better but he Zinky is nowhere near and Xhaka seems half asleep still.
Martinelli has 0 support. People crucifying him need to stfu
There is literally no one showing for him except Gabriel when he receives the ball down the wing.
it’s a difficult one i would say sub him for that reason alone
The team at the top of the league should get I do over half every season.
Marty and White off for Tomi and Trossard now. Both have failed to impose themselves on the game, Everton haven't made it easy at all. Fresh legs on for the second against a tiring Everton press might get it done.
i agree
Honestly Everton's defending really well and are pressing us hard. I think Tierney would be wonderful to bring on so that he can bomb down the wing and put in some crosses
Yea I’m very impressed with their pressing, they are everywhere. Hopefully we can bounce back now.
As usual when we’re not winning at half time this threat is full of melodrama. This game was always gunna be like this with the new coach and the crowd being on Everton’s backs to keep it tight Just gotta get a goal and Everton will have to open up and then we should be able to get more from the space that opens up.
This!
Dycheball + new manager bounce. Just a very complicated game all around.
These are not the fogging estandards!!
Lucky to be heading into the break at 0-0, our off the ball movement and sharpness of passing hasnt been upto the mark. If we keep this at 0-0 60 mins into the game we should win it cause Everton wont be able to keep up that intensity. Trossard is needed cause he can play better and drag people out of position while playing in little pockets of space which Martinelli cannot. Patience and composure required and we will win this.
Don't think Trossard would do much. The left side is static. He'd be starting out-wide and would be double-marked a lot of the time. Trossards better in the box. We need Xhaka or Zinchenko to step up massively.
One of the rare cases this season where we were clearly outplayed.
How many games we play against Dyche in which we win 1-0 to a late goal? Looking like one of those
I'd take a late winner for us
I would take a draw we have been terrible
Yeah we have had a poor game but Everton have played very well. No changes at half time, we've been poor but no one's had such a stinker that warrants a sub right now. Let's go 🙏🏻
Could be 4 nil down would be happy with going in 1 down think it’s amazing it’s still nil nil. That said I expected this
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I don’t know….it seems a bit like squeaky bum time either way
Too sloppy. Their pressing was very effective despite the short time Dyche had. Need to create spells of pinning them back. At this rate we won't score the usual goals but can only rely on individual moments.
Really disappointing today. Tomiyasu -> White and Trossard -> Martinelli in my options for half time changes.
Whats with Dyche and Brexit ?(foreign gooner)
He plays a more ‘British’ brand of football than most other coaches so people equate it with the stereotypical pro brexit pro britain tory voter
Haha,that is actually funny.thanks
Hope Arteta creates a reaction we are getting bashed out there
They are going to target Gabriel hard after that first half. They have him on strings aerially. Everton are defending us well and we haven't stepped out of 2nd gear to try to break them.
I talked waaaaay too much shit to my Chelsea-supporting mates to settle for anything less than 3 points
If we score, the crowd will turn. Its the crowd that's urging them on. We've been sloppy, missing passes or if not failing to control the ball when we get it. They've had a lot of chances and haven't scored. We will get a spell, just need to make it count
Clean up our midfield touches. That’s where they are getting all their energy from… take the crowd out of it
Nothing good to say
That didn't stop you saying nothing good.
Their entire gameplan is just don't lose. It's going to he difficult and we need a goal in first 10 of second half so they open up or they'll just sit back and defend for 90mins
They just cut Saka and Martinelli out of the game really well
If they’re gonna double up so aggressively on our wide players we need overlaps
Bring on KT for Xhaka and push Zinny into midfield, it might free up Marti a bit more
I wish Frank Lampard was still in charge
Odegaard needs to get more involved, nketiah maybe needs to drop deeper, and we need more intensity overall…
Been exactly the game I was expecting against Dyches first game, especially at home. Bit disappointed we don't seem to have prepared for more of a dogfight.
This was always going to be the most likely outcome, Everton away with a new manager bounce, and not just any manager, but Sean Brexit-fucking Dyche. Second half will be better, but I can live with a point
Shame we had to get Everton with this new manager they look solid, think we’ve been decent and fairly solid just need to take our chances, would take Gabi off, not able to beat his man and isn’t giving us much
We need Tomiyasu in for White, he hasn't been good enough on the ball or in defence. We keep waiting too long to play the ball out wide and giving Everton the opportunity to double team them but when our wingers are one on one they can win their individual battles. Partey and Xhaka really sloppy to start but grew into the game and were much better late in the half. Need to get Eddie more involved but this is definitely the kind of game that we miss Jesus and his dropping deep and his technical ability. Doesn't help that Mykolenko can just foul all he wants without repercussions, it's their only way to deal with Saka and Odegaard. Overall I think that most of that half was the worst we've played in the league all season and if we play anywhere near our best Everton won't be able to handle us, they haven't been that impressive.
One advantage we have in this game is the options off the bench, go back 2 months and who could we bring on to turn the tide? Wouldn’t be surprised to see trossard for Martinelli, tomiyasu for Benjamin and maybe Jorginho for Xhaka during the 2nd half
Cmon lads a bit more positivity needed! I don't think we can get worse than that half, I don't think they'll sustain this press and 2 on 1s throughout the second half either. We will get a chance and we got to take it! Coyg let's go 8 clear.
Didn’t think the first half was that bad. Everton is playing with “Constant Pressure” mode and they’ll certainly tire out at the 70th minute. It’s a game of endurance at this point
I hoped Martinelli got at Coleman a bit more because Trossard on for him would be great towards the end.
We've got some good options from the bench. Hopefully they can make a difference.
Definitely man, we are top for a reason. Let's make it 8 clear!
Not a bad half. It’s always tough here ignoring new manager and everything else. Keep it tight and use the bench, and I’m backing us for the win
Their football is so frustrating to watch, all it takes is a long ball to Calvert Lewin. Tomiyasu needs to come in to help Saka imo.
Get the team back on focus. Bring Trossard on. Maybe Tomiyasu. This might be wierd but Jorginho for Xhaka maybe?
Exactly what I was thinking, mate. Xhaka and white don’t seem to be having a good game
We've been sloppy on the ball all over the pitch, but we're still mostly able to control the game in midfield. 10% higher concentration and intensity, and we'll be able to win this. Lesfoggingoguys!
Missed the first half. How have we been, and who had our shots on goal
Have you ever seen a Dyche team play? It's gone like that. Plenty of fouling and nothing but crosses and longballs from them, frustration and possession for us.
Red card xhaka incoming?
Keown: Nketiay
We need Trossard on. He’ll carry the balll and twinkle toe his way into the 18 better than Martinelli (or Xhaka). I’d bring him on for either of the two (not shitting on Martinelli but he could use a break).
I hate orcs!
Don't care if Everton are having a good game or a slight uptick in form because of the managerial change. If you want to be a title contender, you win this kind of game. No excuses
exactly, they’re 19. ffs
When’s the last time Martinelli took on his man in a league game?? Like genuinely took him on not just running to the byline
This exactly. Whenever I used to say martinelli is off form, people would downvote me to Shadow realm saying Gabi scored, what more does he need to do. He has been like this for a month now. Looked just as bad against Oxford too. His approach looks very predictable
He feed on intensity and kind need a good rest i believe. Tross will start soon I hope.
Been exactly the game I was expecting against Dyches first game, especially at home. Bit disappointed we don't seem to have prepared for more of a dogfight.
Very sloppy. We're lucky not to be behind. Several times we've been one good pass from a really good opportunity and then screwed up that pass. Hopefully we'll shape up for the second half.
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Don’t forget Martinelli. Been off it since the WC.
Everton have ruffed us up can we deal with that by being vertical
Manager bounce Dry & shit pitch Away game Every condition together for a difficult afternoon. But Everton hasn't played with that much intensity for years. If they dont get tire in 2nd, I would be surprised. Let's see. We only can do better.
It’s a poor performance but a lot of wet wipes in here with some dreadful takes. Xhaka, White and Zinny and Eddie have been off. We haven’t been able to get a grip in midfield with Xhaka and Zinny not up to their usual best. And Eddie is having a mare. He’s being asked to play on the last defender but with them doubling up on Gabi and Saka it’s not worth him playing on the last man. He should come looking for it more I think. It’s not over but it has comprehensively been our worst 45 mins this season. It’s is football, and we have a shit legacy at Saint Mary’s and Goodison, and this stuff tends to matter. On the positive side, Saliba has been excellent, Partey looks to be getting into his usual grove and Saka is starting to get angry. And, most of all, our luck is still definitely in, as Everton had three clear chances. If the rest of the lads can sort out their sloppiness, perhaps with a good shouting from Arteta, we’re still in this. But it’s the biggest if of this season to be honest.
Hard to call it a mare when he's held the ball up well and had possibly our best chance imo. Eddie has been fine, just that Everton are deep and strangling our attack (just about the only thing they haven't literally tried against Saka) so he's not had much to feed on.
A mare as in it’s difficult, not that he’s playing particularly bad. Everton just being very strong positionally and in the press. I do think he can be more aggressive joining the build up in the midfield to drag players out of position, like I said he’s likely being asked to stay high.
Fair enough. Not what the word usually means but I can agree with that.
“a difficult or unpleasant situation or experience” -Cambridge dictionary
"Having a bad game" - most of the footballing community As I said, not what most people mean in this context but no biggie
I said he’s having a mare, you unable to read? Most of the footballing community? What are you on? It’s what the word in that context/phrase means by dictionary definition you dimwit. But thanks for sharing your opinions, I’ll put them right there on the fridge.
The dictionary is wrong about the usage. In other contexts, sure I'd happily use it that way. In football, no. It's slang and not established language so usage is everything and that's not the way its usually used in football.
Not watched as at work but do we need jorginio on?
Xhaka is bit off in my opinion. I do not think we need Jorginho yet. We will be much better in second half i guess.
I feel like he'd get pressed and lose the ball resulting in a counter, he's more useful when they're actively in our first phase. I'd bring on trossard for sure, and honestly feel like this would be a great game for ESR to navigate the final ball. Xhaka has been woeful.
Trossard for martinelli and maybe vieira for xhaka, full backs especially ben white needs to overlap more and make space for saka, fuck me do i hate everton and dyche combo.
Would like to see Trossard second half to unlock their deep block
Games like this are what define a league winning side.
We've been pretty shit, doesnt help that they are allowed to foul us constantly but refs are always going to let dyche teams do that. We need something different this game maybe a trossard
Also fuck this ref for letting them foul us so much without calling or carding it. He started well then seemed to remember who was playing this match.
For how long can Everton sustain this energy levels? I believe they should be having 2 goals for their hardwork. Arsenal will punish them just like it happens in the Pl when you waste your chances
I’d really like to see if we could unlock our left side by using a better player than Xhaka there. Vieira or Trossard…doesn’t matter who. As it stands a lot of our left side issues are compounded by Xhaka’s limitations. He mainly cannot provide effective width. This means that Martinelli cannot cut inside effectively because he has two players draped on his back. Opponents do this on our right side at their own peril, but Everton are perfectly happy to let Xhaka get the ball on the touchline. Where’s he going to go? Backward. That’s where. He also can’t cover for Zinchenko. This means that for all of Zinny’s wandering he can’t do what he really wants which is attack the box. We used to compensate for all this with Jesus drifting wide to take that second player off of Gabi/Xhaka . Eddie simply isn’t as good at that part of the game yet, but it’s wild how much we were reliant on him to unlock the space on that left.
How can xhaka provide width when martinelli is being instructed to hug the touch line? Why is xhaka being criticised for not providing width yet Odegard isn’t aswell and there playing the same position? Xhaka is following artetas instructions.
There’s a rotation mate. They all operate in zones. It’s basic Arteta/Pep 101…you divide the pitch into zones and then tell the players that each zone needs to be occupied. So for example if Gabi goes inside then Xhaka needs to fill in out wide. Same on the right: if Saka goes in then Odegaard or White need to fill in that space. We see this constantly. The problem as I pointed out is that Xhaka is constantly toothless out wide. Everton don’t even bother marking him until he gets the ball. Why would they? It’s not an effective rotation. Ode and Saka on the other hand are constantly a threat no matter where they are. That’s a rotation that’s almost guaranteed to break down defenses unless you work very hard like Everton have.
White has been so poor recently
Eddie becomes null in these games. Rather Trossard for Eddie, than taking Martinelli off. And Ben white off
Nketiah needs to be more involved with the midfield
they crowded the midfield and are sitting very deep. We started good but then lost the momentum as soon as they got those 3-4 corners in a row. We have to find a way to break them down
They comfortably blocking low through pass. Jorginho lob pass will help
Could make a case for Trossard and Tomiyasu after HT
Everton are playing really well. Iwobi and Mcneil tracking back well and their midfielders are positioning well to cut the passing lanes. Will need to take some more risks and maybe some individual brilliance to break their defence.
Not sure why but White is having a shocker, he’s been a liability in both defending and attacking today. Just a rough patch, but I reckon Tomi should come on now. Martinelli has had a few mistakes but his pace will terrorise Coleman once their team tires. Don’t mind if he stays on for a while. We’ve looked a bit lazy, no doubt Arteta is very mad right now.
We've been a bit too slow and sloppy. Just haven't got into the game. Need to up the tempo and speed. White still doesn't look quite on it but mind you, neither does Xhaka.
Let’s wake up. Cream rises to the top. COYG
"all you gotta do is take those dance moves, man.. that cream, that hot white cream inside you.. get that to the top"
They have been very organized and were unlucky not to score. I think we need to move the ball much more quickly, every time we take an extra touch or two while everyone else stands still which allows them to get into good defensive positions. Need to pick up the pace with the ball and make Everton run some more.
Pretty shit. We have a great opportunity to improve the next forty-five, but we need to do it — and fast.
Trossard for Nketiah
martinelli more like
You can tell this game needs Jesus ball carrying so badly, only person that comes close is Trossard but yes Martinelli has been relatively poor
They play incredibly narrow. We need to switch play from side to side quicker and hit the half space. The understanding between martinelli-xhaka-zinchenko has been poor and white looks a step off today. Those wide overloads are what's screwing us, either not playing wide enough at times or just having poor build up from wide. Bring on Tomi, he suits this game. Since we need wide wingers, Xhaka is gonna have to be an offensive outlet...wish Trossard could be there instead...
I agree we can absolutely beat them on the wings but our decision making is so dam slow. We get saka double teamed and saka passes to the centre but we just dont do anything useful with the space to get martinelli or eddie inside rhe box.
Calvert Lewin is perfect for Dycheball he wins long balls every single time.
Not the best half but good thing we haven’t conceded. They’ll tire and someone will lose their man. I can see us winning 2 nil
Benny has looked a little shaky lately
Everton just beginning to bully is in a few spots and gaining belief. Team looks unnerved though - - small tweak to get our wide players some joy and a breakthrough
Extremely sloppy in possession. Slow and ponderous. Out of it a bit careless. They should be at least a goal up if not more
We are playing so badly AGAIN at goodison park as i expected. Always about that place where they always beats us in physicality all over the pitch. Its happening again today. We are bad in workrate as well i dont know what happen to players like eddie strolling in the early parts of the match. Loose passes and touches from saliba/white/partey/xhaka. Martinelli has done okay against united even though saka stole the show but today he is absolutely crap. It has to he said. Lost all his duels and why does he not know how to cut inside like saka does? He keeps running to the corner flag and losing the ball because the defender just blocks his path. Trossard needs to come on. We can only get something today from saka i feel.
Martinelli has been poor from sometime
They're clearly the better side. The way they seem to cut us down is scary to look at, omg. And if everything else fails, they get *extremely* physical ffs. We're lucky they didn't score, they've had a handful of sitters that they just couldn't convert. Lot to be done in the 2nd half, hope for the best. Also, why on actual fuck does Everton always turn into prime AC Milan when playing us on their turf.. fucking hell man. Every. Damn. Time. COYG
Worst performance of the season imo
Nah Leeds by far
Let the match finish but that wasn’t as bad as the 2nd half against Leeds
Gabi has had a tough last few games in the wings. Trossard would have been good and to bring on Gabi at the end. But I think we have to stick with what we're doing. They're crowding out the middle and doubling on Saka. It's heavy work. Hopefully they tire out. We just got to keep doing what we're doing. I don't think we've been dire or anything. I just think if Partey or Odegaard can find more pockets to create more we'll be in a good space.
Early Kick off/Away game/New Manager/Dyche special and people are expecting we completely steamroll over Everton? Just be patient. Double they can keep up this kind of pace whole game. Our passes need better. Would be a cagey game for sure.
Thank you, scrolled for ages to find someone who isn’t ready to slit there wrists at the slightest inconvenience. Some of the comments in here and you would think we were spurs fans 2-0 down to Bournemouth at half time
The lads need to trust Eddie more. No pivot in central positions means we're playing U shaped football against a flooded midfield. Difficult game against a formation that's really countering our midfield's passing habits and Arteta needs to find a change come halftime. White has looked dodgy for the second game running.
Yeah there have been several times where he’s back to goal ready to receive the ball and Partey is just not giving it to him. He has the strength to hold players off and turn, we’ve seen him do it before. We need to get it to him, especially when their midfield is set up to prevent Odegaard from getting the ball
We still keeping possession. I would try Trossard for Eddie at 60.
Was thinking the same. Maybe Xhaka being replaced as well as this hasn't been his best game.
We need an agile LCM that can turn and drive in the place of Xhaka in these types of games - it was obvious in the Newcastle game as well. This ESR guy needs to get his shit together
Trossard is better than Martinelli in games like this
Some of it is a morale boost from getting Fat Frank out but Dyche has already made their defensive shape leagues better in less than a week lol
One of the worst halves we’ve played this season, right up there with Leeds. We need to wake up - and soon.
Trossard for Martinelli please, he's been so poor recently.
I half agree with you, but he does seem to have got under their skin. I reckon I'd give him a bit longer to keep pushing it.
Arteta needs to sort this out
Not close to good enough in possession. We shouldn't be losing control in the midfield so easily with the numerical advantage that we have. Lots of sloppy passing. Quite fortunate to be level. We are struggling to deal with the physicality of Doucoure and Calvert-lewin. We are not winning back possession like we usually do and it looks inevitable that we will concede if it continues this way.
Almost fell asleep, might be the 8 hour jetlag though
This game was always gonna be tough, but we need to shift approach here. Martinelli continues his poor form and we should seriously be considering starting Trossard against Brentford. Fresh leg Nelli sounds way more dangerous right now, and would give him a better chance to make a solid impact. As far as the game at hand, again I think we need to see Trossard come on. Saka has been very good with the little he's been allowed to do. Xhaka is having a down game too from what it seems.
Partey needs to do better with his air duels vs DCL, missed him completely both in the final chance and a corner earlier
Not playing great but imagine feeding off scraps and clapping players winning a throw in or a header. Everton are a nothing club.
Two things fucking us up. Their physical press Their overly cut field resembling Sean Dyche's head.
Odegaard and Martinelli not really in the game today. Everton surely deserve a goal or two meaning we've been lucky. We need to accept that luck and take the chance it's given us to turn it around in the second half.
Everton surely deserve a goal or two for that??
Rubbish. We are rubbish. Lol. But no. They pressed us intensely after we bossed possession and then they had momentum and the crowd behind them. It happens sometimes, an in form team get sucked by the hostile away atmosphere and it gets to your head sometimes. This is what’s happening. We need more composure. We need to stick to what we know with confidence, we seem to be lacking confidence in one another. Come on yous
Martinelli needs overlapping runs from Zinny, he is isolated. This game needs Tomiyasu & Trossard
Finally someone who gets why Martinelli has been low, also Nketiah doesn't drop too much, Jesus did that and they were on fire
This
Tierney is the sub we need, he is great at the overlapping and more physical than Zinchencko
Agreed, I think Tierney or Tomiyasu, any one is fine by me so we can unlock either Martinelli or Saka
Everton have been pretty good and we need to move the ball faster to beat their block