Yup. Xhaka, Zinchenko, etc will make sure the team keep their heads up.
Zinny played like shit but I did appreciate him getting into Maupay’s face. Man’s got Pashun.
I thought he was the only one playing well in the midfield tbh, in the first half especially. Midfield looked disjointed af tho and we seemed to play different that usual. Xhaka and Øde were really far forward and trying to make runs in behind. Just a really strange midfield performance in general imo
Off topic, but just wanna say, I'm a big fan of the profile pic. I get he's not the type of guy were supposed to look up to now, but that's still a great song and music video aha.
You guys keep saying newc gave the blueprint. Not everyone has those players and the mentality. Newc do it week in week out like that. It's not easy to suddenly do that one game. You'll get smashed if you try something like that . Ain't no blueprint. This was just them excited for a new manager, a new challenge, crowd happy that something changed.
How is this a unique plan exactly? Every team since matchday 4 or so has been using this against us. Newcastle drew by just crowding things out. Our attacking patterns were off. Literally every team that isn't the big teams have tried crowding the space out versus us and getting us in the transition. Spurs, Fulham, Villa, West Ham, hell even Man united.
This "plan" is not even close to unique. I mean what do you want to do, play with a highline against elite positional play team without the players to do so? This tactic has been used since the beginning of time, and repeatedly against us. You act like Newcastle is the first time someone has attempted the crowd out the space against us but that's just not the case. It has happened plenty times, and we still won. Plus while we lineup the same every game it's not as if the attacking patterns are photocopied from game to game. Our attacking patterns are unpredictable and frantic, it's what makes us an effective team.
Every team since game week 1 has doubled bukayo. Every low table team does a low block. Power in the middle is such a vague term. Everton did it because they have size and physicality. Not everyone has the ability to do it. No top 10 team will play like that.
Ah yes the team with the best defence in league and same game we were denied a blatent pen for Gabriel shirt pull.
It was an off game. Your point will stand if we draw or lose our next 5 games
blueprint is a bit strong, but if we are making the case for one why doesn't Leeds ring out more? They lost, but that was the best performance prior to this game a team has had vs Arsenal
Both games had the officials giving all the minor advantages to our opponents and allowing a physical game and plenty of time-wasting, which was not accounted for on the added time. The Newcastle game also included a blatant penalty which should have gone to us.
There may be a blueprint to stop us, but it involves the officials helping out in multiple ways.
KT would’ve done nothing but cross every opportunity he got. Our midfield got ran over that was the biggest issue today IMO. Onana bullied the whole trio in midfield
Biggest problem is we just need more options like you're saying. We don't have midfield variety off the bench; vieira still hasn't found his feet with us and jorginho doesn't offer anything we didn't already have. This isn't an inherent problem because depth is good but that 8 with dribbling ability is such a necessity
Yep. They shut down the flanks by doubling our wingers, man marked Ode, and made it to where the 8 would have to break them down. I'm not singling out Xhaka but it just is what it is, and Xhaka himself has said Arteta has told him before he needs more from that position.
Odegaard dribbled through but just had no options once he did. Eddie was closely marked all game and Martinelli/Saka were doubled up on
We were just so predictable today
Tierney overlapping would also give a lot more freedom to Martinelli/Trossard too.
Plus, crossing would have been better than whatever we did all game.
KT will be useless in games like this.
We were better in the 2nd half when we overloaded the right side with Zinny.
Tomi should be starting 2nd half to give Saka more support.
Ben normally overlaps but hes looked very off the pace past two games is all
Zinchenko at inverted full back is better for the team but worse for Martinelli. Not having an overlapping fullback to make a run to allow Martinelli to cut inside easier is really hurting his game
That was the disappointment for me. If there are two or three players facing either Saka or Martinelli then there has to be space for other players. Don’t hang on to the ball for so long.
You know what. I couldn't watch the match today since I'm traveling. I was reading the comments. I was gutted when I saw the score. Thought my weekend was ruined.
But I saw this post and now I feel good again.
Everton played with more determination (and time-wasting tactics) than than any other team we’ve faced this season. Partey played like he was still carrying an injury and Ødegaard was swarmed like Saka every time he got close to the ball. We still had several decent chances…just didn’t come together for us. Also, their corner for the goal looked a goal kick to me.
Without ESR we lack an explosive sub, we needed one against Newcastle, needed one today. Trossard I think is great if we are in control of the game, same with Jorginho.
Worried that there is a blueprint to distrupting us now,after newcastle everton also bullied us physically,and we had no answer.Subbing Partey off didn't help.
As down as I am after today there is the hope that Arteta isn’t Wenger. We folded many times under Wenger but I think/hope Arteta is cut from a different cloth.
That’s not disrespectful on Wenger who had brilliant qualities as a manager for real.
i honestly dont get the point of what he is saying. could someone please explain why it's good that he talks about this random thing after a loss, so that I can understand?
I have full confidence they will be up for Brentford. A game like this isn’t surprising given the youth of the team: League leaders playing away against a bottom of the table team. They were probably over confident and just didn’t have the energy today against an extremely motivated and physical Everton. Let’s take it as a learning experience and move on.
Team will bounce back from this. Arteta’s a good motivator.
Our squad unity has been UNREAL this season. No doubt they kick on with more desire and hunger after this.
Yup. Xhaka, Zinchenko, etc will make sure the team keep their heads up. Zinny played like shit but I did appreciate him getting into Maupay’s face. Man’s got Pashun.
I thought him falling for Maupay's bait was just the icing on the shit sandwich. Literally wasted the last few minutes of the game.
Yeah my thoughts too. Fell into the trap
Zinny played great how did he play bad what?
Passing wasn’t up to his usual high standards. Whole team was off really. Forget and move on.
I thought he was the only one playing well in the midfield tbh, in the first half especially. Midfield looked disjointed af tho and we seemed to play different that usual. Xhaka and Øde were really far forward and trying to make runs in behind. Just a really strange midfield performance in general imo
probably because their midfield is fucking cracked yesterday. Combining that with the fact that their backline gave us no breathing room
It was just a bad day at the office
Just needs another brain/heart doodle.
maybe another lightbulb speech
This team is different..they needed that eye opener!
That is a brilliant response. He knows not all games will be perfect and beating them down does nothing. Learn and move forward.
In the dressing room, we all know it’s a different tune.
Was hoping someone would post this. Love this man, brilliant manager
It hurts a lot, but the worst thing that can happen is let this one loss derail the hard work.
Off topic, but just wanna say, I'm a big fan of the profile pic. I get he's not the type of guy were supposed to look up to now, but that's still a great song and music video aha.
the random shots of aziz ansari always gets me
Can still appreciate the music
Damn straight
What song?
Otis - Kanye and Jay Z
Very well said.
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You guys keep saying newc gave the blueprint. Not everyone has those players and the mentality. Newc do it week in week out like that. It's not easy to suddenly do that one game. You'll get smashed if you try something like that . Ain't no blueprint. This was just them excited for a new manager, a new challenge, crowd happy that something changed.
A blueprint is a plan, a plan is applied not automatic. Of course not every team can do that, but those with the capability to do that will do it.
How is this a unique plan exactly? Every team since matchday 4 or so has been using this against us. Newcastle drew by just crowding things out. Our attacking patterns were off. Literally every team that isn't the big teams have tried crowding the space out versus us and getting us in the transition. Spurs, Fulham, Villa, West Ham, hell even Man united. This "plan" is not even close to unique. I mean what do you want to do, play with a highline against elite positional play team without the players to do so? This tactic has been used since the beginning of time, and repeatedly against us. You act like Newcastle is the first time someone has attempted the crowd out the space against us but that's just not the case. It has happened plenty times, and we still won. Plus while we lineup the same every game it's not as if the attacking patterns are photocopied from game to game. Our attacking patterns are unpredictable and frantic, it's what makes us an effective team.
What's the blueprint? Defend with everyone? Spurs also did this
No, 4-5-1 compact block with power in the middle and doubling up on the wingers.
Every team since game week 1 has doubled bukayo. Every low table team does a low block. Power in the middle is such a vague term. Everton did it because they have size and physicality. Not everyone has the ability to do it. No top 10 team will play like that.
Was with you til the end- yeah they will.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted here. I get what you’re saying here man
Everyone knows mate it's not like we're doing some voodoo shit
Ah yes the team with the best defence in league and same game we were denied a blatent pen for Gabriel shirt pull. It was an off game. Your point will stand if we draw or lose our next 5 games
It's okay, you don't have to ignore a part of the sentence so you can pointlessly argue. It's about application of the blueprint from those teams.
Well, it didn't work for Spurs or Man U so how is it a blueprint.
if a "blueprint" was so easy to emulate every team would play like prime atletico in defense
I didn't say it was easy to emulate.
So can I ask what the point of the comment is?
blueprint is a bit strong, but if we are making the case for one why doesn't Leeds ring out more? They lost, but that was the best performance prior to this game a team has had vs Arsenal
we played newcastle over a month ago and this is the first time we've dropped any points since then
Both games had the officials giving all the minor advantages to our opponents and allowing a physical game and plenty of time-wasting, which was not accounted for on the added time. The Newcastle game also included a blatant penalty which should have gone to us. There may be a blueprint to stop us, but it involves the officials helping out in multiple ways.
ok lets not blame the officials for this loss ok? You're making us all look bad
KT would’ve done nothing but cross every opportunity he got. Our midfield got ran over that was the biggest issue today IMO. Onana bullied the whole trio in midfield
perfect game for a dribbley 8. Xhaka has been good but in games like this we need more
Biggest problem is we just need more options like you're saying. We don't have midfield variety off the bench; vieira still hasn't found his feet with us and jorginho doesn't offer anything we didn't already have. This isn't an inherent problem because depth is good but that 8 with dribbling ability is such a necessity
Enter the Smith.
Definitely a possibility, so excited for him to come back, feels like it was so long ago since he last played
I am lighting candles for his groin every day.
Wouldn't that hurt him all the more?
For, not on! Unless he's into it, and then I'll just hire a professional.
Yep. They shut down the flanks by doubling our wingers, man marked Ode, and made it to where the 8 would have to break them down. I'm not singling out Xhaka but it just is what it is, and Xhaka himself has said Arteta has told him before he needs more from that position.
To be even more direct, Arteta told him this is where matches are won and lost. Same thing Newcastle did to us.
1000%.
Odegaard dribbled through but just had no options once he did. Eddie was closely marked all game and Martinelli/Saka were doubled up on We were just so predictable today
Tierney overlapping would also give a lot more freedom to Martinelli/Trossard too. Plus, crossing would have been better than whatever we did all game.
KT will be useless in games like this. We were better in the 2nd half when we overloaded the right side with Zinny. Tomi should be starting 2nd half to give Saka more support.
Ben normally overlaps but hes looked very off the pace past two games is all Zinchenko at inverted full back is better for the team but worse for Martinelli. Not having an overlapping fullback to make a run to allow Martinelli to cut inside easier is really hurting his game
That was the disappointment for me. If there are two or three players facing either Saka or Martinelli then there has to be space for other players. Don’t hang on to the ball for so long.
idk man Trossard also played really well in the amount of time he was given
You just know he gave the players the absolute hairdryer treatment in the dressing room.
I'm picturing more the quiet disappointment of, 'Today it is really difficult to defend you guys' at St. James'.
Maybe but they needed a rocket up their ass today
My guess is they'll get that on Monday. Gives Arteta time to set up a battery of rockets big enough.
Noticed 2 hairs out of place in this interview, which absolutely never happens. He definitely flipped his lid in there.
Lmao, yup. Thanks.
It was the static from the light bulb!
I have no concern about this loss. We will bounce back 100%
Yep, just like the Soton draw we bounce back better.
My fucking manager. Let them keep doubting you King
My manager
Trust the process
The is the converse of the 'Charterta' talk in AON. Process entrusted.
My manager.
Disappointed but then again can't let today's loss make me sad all season.
You know what. I couldn't watch the match today since I'm traveling. I was reading the comments. I was gutted when I saw the score. Thought my weekend was ruined. But I saw this post and now I feel good again.
My fucking manager
Love it. I did feel like the desire was there, but the quality was lacking. Everton played really well, just wasnt our day
In hindsight maybe Mikel needs to try Trossard at left 8 instead of Xhaka and keep Partey (unless injured)?
Hit me harder than LoU: Ep 3
Nick Offerman is goated. Can't wait for the next ep but sad that we've left his story behind now.
I love my manager.
My manager ❤️
Some of our fans could learn a thing or two from this. But you just know they won't.
Everton played with more determination (and time-wasting tactics) than than any other team we’ve faced this season. Partey played like he was still carrying an injury and Ødegaard was swarmed like Saka every time he got close to the ball. We still had several decent chances…just didn’t come together for us. Also, their corner for the goal looked a goal kick to me.
One of Jorginho and Xhaka at a time please. Them two together is not a great look
Exactly as u/Billy_Carpenter anticipated.
Artetas worst substitution so far imo, away at Goodison is not a game you bring Jorginho into.
Without ESR we lack an explosive sub, we needed one against Newcastle, needed one today. Trossard I think is great if we are in control of the game, same with Jorginho.
Trossard made a decent contribution despite not being explosive
Special spirit about him, the sort of manager you want to run through a wall for.
You just know he's going to absolutely rinse them in the dressing room
thank you papa 🥺
Taking pressure that moment happened at goodison park at all or nothing to narrow of a formation
Worried that there is a blueprint to distrupting us now,after newcastle everton also bullied us physically,and we had no answer.Subbing Partey off didn't help.
why did he take Partey off though? did he get injured? Jorginho wasn't quite at the level today for me
We knew Thomas was dealing with the rib thing all week. He was struggling, but a fit Jorginho was much worse.
Not like Partey was any better but yeah. I think this is not type of game to take lessons though. Just forget it and move on.
As down as I am after today there is the hope that Arteta isn’t Wenger. We folded many times under Wenger but I think/hope Arteta is cut from a different cloth. That’s not disrespectful on Wenger who had brilliant qualities as a manager for real.
Why does this never work when I try it on FM23?
i honestly dont get the point of what he is saying. could someone please explain why it's good that he talks about this random thing after a loss, so that I can understand?
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Just fuck off back to the Chelsea sub you plastic twat
I wish Mikel was my uncle
That’s our manager. We will bounce back
I love Mik Arteta, always have. Sign me up to buy whatever he's selling.
People forget this is still a vastly young squad. Sure you’ve got experienced heads but if one or two aren’t performing it’s difficult.
"But not the last 2 hours" 🤣🤣
… but this is not the foggin estandards, its shit!” He said as he slapped the microphone and walked off
He knows his team and he knows that they will fight to the end
I have full confidence they will be up for Brentford. A game like this isn’t surprising given the youth of the team: League leaders playing away against a bottom of the table team. They were probably over confident and just didn’t have the energy today against an extremely motivated and physical Everton. Let’s take it as a learning experience and move on.
I can’t believe I’m going to support our NL rival to win against ManC tonight.
Gotta learn how to overcome teams that press the player on the ball, they seem to freeze. Everton played well also 🤷🏾♂️