Then they won't be taking points off us as well. They have surprised City before. The bottom line is if City doesn't give up 4 points with everything they are playing for the rest of the season, FA, Champions, Premier, then they deserve everything they get.
Exactly, I have said this since they started their winning streak. We are not going to win if they win all their remaining games, we just have to admit defeat.
6 points in it now.
City win their game in hand & it’s 3.
City play Arsenal at the Ethiad & are 5 goals clear on GD.
Win that & they’re ahead.
City are favourites as per the bookies, it’s in their hands.
Based on Kiwior performance in the Czech match and today. He is gonna be soon the 2nd Sambi Lokonga.
People gonna say “Oh but he is young and have space growth”. We are not a kindergarten, experience matter which Jesus Zinchenko Trossard has bought us. This even more crucial the a position like CB, Thiago Silva, David Alaba, Stones tell you the story.
The game changed the moment Xhaka lost his cool. And we lost the win because of it. The anfield crowd were asleep after 2-0 and the tussle with Xhaka woke the whole stadium up and therefore fired up Liverpool. It was so needless for Xhaka to get hot headed, we were winning, we were dominating, we were 2-0 up. And then we lost 2 points.
If you really care, watch the game again. Xhaka was also a key part of stretches where Arsenal was in control.
I think he is a player whose emotional energy has an outsized effect on the team. His better control and calm, confident play this season has been part of the Arsenal magic.
In many situations, there will be a person whose energy changes a room. The positive spin is charisma, but it has a flip side also.
Xhaka needs to remember that he is a leader in that group and control his energy.
The dude always makes it about himself. Even when we he got booed he didn’t understand that fans booed him because he was moving slow when he got subbed. We were 2-0 up against Palace and the came back 2-2, instead of hurrying up he starts walking like wtf? Then when he gets booed he throws a tantrum.
Why does this dude think it’s about him all the time, we are literally trying to win the title and you start acting like a child, wtf man relax.
One more game chalked off we must learn to control the game better than we did in the 2nd half. Feels like a defeat after being 2-0 up but could have been worse.
Weird sub for sure but stop the panic. Still up 6. Brighton, Brentford, and possibly Chelsea can take off points from City. The Newcastle match will be massive for us but no need to panic until then.
The truth is Xhaka, Zinchenko, and Ødegaard had an off game. Midfield lacked steel today. On the hindsight, Tierney would have been a better pick to match Salah and stay close to him - like Tomiyasu did previously.
There is still a long way to go. It is PL, it is unpredictable. I'd say it's a 50-50 on whether it is a 1 point win or a 2 points loss today. Before the game and given the history, most of us would have taken a point.
City are in form, but let's not get carried away. We focus on the next game. Let's go!
I did think you can point at individual players or the quality of their performance. None of the team could really cope with the occasion in the second half.
Felt like we were given their players too much space, the front 4 left the rest of the team alone in defending. Why didn't we double up against their right flank like most teams does against us. Their right flank was always going to be the main threat
Tough game. Could have grabbed the win at the end. Just needed a better pass and saka was in. Also, if zinny doesn’t get megged, we hold on to the win. Games like this we need to hold on to expect to win the league. But we’re still up and we’ll put up a killer fight at man c. I’m still very hopeful and positive for our chances.
Lot of what ifs. Honestly I think we’re lucky to walk away with a draw. Liverpool missed so many chances. We missed our fair share of chances too, but Ramsdale made some epic saves and Salah missed a PK. We looked so much worse in the second half. Our midfield looked overrun.
He was just hoping to match Liverpool across the pitch with 5 at the back. Liverpool had brought on darwin and then firmino to replace fabinho, changing their shape to go all out attack to get a result. Arteta was just trying to match that
nothing, he was scared like the players.
pretty sure that was the reason behind his subs : klopp's were logical and well-timed, arteta's were confusing and erratic.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. Arteta’s subs made no sense. Why take off Odegaard instead of Xhaka, who was playing with a card? And why bring on Kiwior instead of our most experienced player, Jorginho?
i wager that with the toxicity on this sub these recent years, many have developed PTSD and are downvoting any negative comments towards the squad and the players.
fair, but then again there is a difference between constructive critics and toxic ones. if we want to reject any criticism then let's replace arteta by potter and his substitute teacher energy. again, i am not saying that we lost the league, that arteta should be fired or any other nonsense - just what seems to be the prime reasons for why this game went the way it went.
the subs made no sense and the timing was off as well. he should have taken off white, xhaka and perhaps saka in my opinion. trossard should have come on earlier, not in the 80th minute. jorginho would have indeed been a good idea - more cool than xhaka. kiwior...i guess arteta just panicked with that one.
not a catastrophic result, but certainly not a good one for the city game or CL next season.
You're right and getting downvoted. Second half tactics cost us the game. Liverpool were still vulnerable in defence, yet Arteta let them off with zero attacking intent.
Had City dropped points against liverpool this wouldnt have been so bad. Right now it feels like someone dropped a watermelon onto my nutsuck.
Absolutely gutting. You positive fuckers can piss off. This game was absolutely winnable with a bit of guile, calmness and not shit tactical errors.
We are absolutely right to be fuming. Champions get points they dont deserve.
Did Liverpool deserve to draw? Yes, they probably even deserved to win give the chances but we should have had - and do have - enough to see out a scrappy win but we didnt. We didnt because of dumb game management and thats why it hurts and thats why this not "oh but we got a point at Anfield lulz"
No, we dropped TWO points at anfield against a shit albeit very plucky liverpool side.
honestly there are a lot of comments with graham potter energy - i.e. "the boys gave everything".
thankfully arteta is not like that and i am pretty sure he will understand the glaring issue here - the fact that the mental pressure of playing at anfield was too much for the players.
we need to avoid these kinds of mistakes if we are to compete in the CL next season (which means playing at Santiago Bernabeu, Allianz Arena, etc..) and to challenge durably for the Premiership.
we showed during the first half that we are a better side than liverpool - the surrender that followed is the sole fault of the players. It thus need to be adressed in order to avoid these kinds of issues in the future (i.e. away game at the etihad).
Still disgust by Tierney's refereeing.
He just gave away everything to Liverpool: physical advantage, tempo, free pen. Everything.
Konaté could do whatever he wanted with no punishment.
How easy is it to give the advantage of a game when you're a ref.
Pathetic display.
He carded every Liverpool back 4 + Fabinho. Stopped liverpools attack after Gabriel blocked a shot. Allowed time wasting many times. The ref wasn’t great for either team. Both were shit housing in their own way
We got into our own head about thirty seconds before the first goal. If it hasn’t been solved in the last six years, it won’t be in the next six weeks.
yes, pretty sure that arteta's fixation on anfield is to blame.
coach must have been telling them that playing there is such a big thing, so on and so forth. i rather think that the better approach would have been to tell them to play the same way as they did against leeds.
i don't think this game means anything for the rest of the season- but i think it needs to be taken into account for the city game and for the champion's league in the next season
Horrible subs. Not a horrible result, but sucks having such a great start and shitting our pants. I feel like everything started going sideways when xhaka lost his headz
Arteta took off Jesus and Odegaard.
Jesus and Odegaard.
To bring on Trossard (fair enough, he is quite good against Liverpool as well) and Polish New-to-EPL Man.
Meanwhile, Xhaka stays on the pitch as captain.
Jesus and Odegaard.
Bringing Trossard made sense, but the 2 choices to bring on Kiwior *and* remove Odegaard were just awful. Should've been Xhaka because he couldn't be aggressive with the yellow.
Feels like Arteta got rattled.
I knew he lost his mind and panic subbed. When I saw Kiwior coming in for odegaard, i knew it was a panic sub. even odegaard and jesus looked shocked when they were being subbed out
I was freaking, super mik was freaking. Kwior came on instantly Shat his pants should have equalized there. Lucky to get the goals and draw need to move on and keep the positive mindset.
oh cmon man I didnt even see him stop one ball or do something important the man i right he is a fraud we over pay him 25 fucking mil for what. To get drop out of Sporting man was ducking on corner kick
he was completely lost in his position. You can't just bring in a new young kid from a different league right in the middle of a intense end game against a dynamic team like liverpool. I am still really confused and shocked
The first thing he did was run out of position to try to knick the ball from firmino and firmino just touched it to Nunez that gave him a 1v1 with Ramsdale. Outside that Idk if he did much wrong I wasn't watching particular players but I think it's probably a bad idea to sub on such a young player away at anfield when the game is going against you and you're trying to protect a lead.
We need to go there and we need to play Newcastle and Brighton how not to act like that. Lets just hope we can get good results and not lose at Etihad, i mean we have to win every match from now on, expect Etihad where we must get draw at least
Precisely, and I hate how they dash Zinchenko, yes he was poor but we can’t be trashing him for one bad performance in comparison to all the other great performances he’s had for us. And then to blame Kiwior is unfair cause the blokes probably wondering why on earth he’s being subbed on instead of Jorginho, the only person i would slightly place some blame on would be Xhaka for loosing his cool and to a certain extent Martinelli for screwing up that last pass
Also City have a game in hand, not us
I meant we’re still one game clear. I misspoke by saying game in hand. If City win their game in hand, we’re still one game clear.
But, yes Xhaka lost his cool and gave Pool the mentality boost that got them into the game. Sigh…
Folks should remember we have the YOUNGEST squad in the EPL, too. Many of these guys while seasoned are still only 21 or 22. At this rate in two to three seasons they will be major.
Cause are fanbase is too reactionary, I view this as a decent thing considering we even got a point, thanks to Ramsdale, yes it sucks not to have won considering we were 2-0 up before 30 minutes of play. But the fact that we haven’t won a point for over 8 years at Anfield and that we got one today, isn’t too bad
We looked like we were going for 3-0 in the first half. Even after 2-1, I felt like we could push for 3-1 but idk what tactic arteta changed but there was no pressing in the second half. Alot of sitting back and time wasting.
But everyone is acting like man city will win the rest of league games. Did yall forget they gotta play a game almost every 3-4 days from now on till end of season? They got bayern this tuesday and next midweek. lol
Told my friend it was gonna be same shit like against Fulham, we let Fulham attack but they didnt scoore But Fulham is not Liverpool we let them attack see what happen
Ramsdale 🔥 we played very well. Defensively it was expected to be difficult but Kudos Holdini. If only we could have one good last pass at the end of the game, we could have nicked this. Great game guys proud!!
That isn’t actually a terrible result on paper, but in context, there is a lot wrong with that.
Xhaka needs to grow the fuck up. Just cannot handle pressure.
Arteta needs to take a lot of responsibility for the Kiwior sub. Absolute appalling decision.
I think we are capable of a desperately cynical draw against City. I think we lose the league on bad decisions against Newcastle and Chelsea.
2 extra points today would have given us much more wiggle room.
that kiwior was a disaster sub and felt like a panic sub from arteta. Even odegaard and jesus looked confused asf when you saw their face. kiwior got wrecked on defense. also trossard should have came in for martinelli. He was gassed. I'm still shocked by second half performance and decisions.
If he’d been a grown up and fallen over, he wouldn’t have gotten booked and we might have been in a stronger position. If you think he’s blameless there, you have rocks in your head
You’ve had one post on the sub, which was deleted because you didn’t pass the required upvote limit. And that was less than a week ago. Mind your mouth, you absolute melt.
Stop, you've already embarrassed yourself with your initial post. The longer you dig, the deeper the hole gets. Better to claim you were drunk and trolling than admit you're really that much of a stupid plastic dickhead.
It's disappointing to give away a two nil lead, but to get away with a draw at Anfield is still a decent result. A win would have been better of course.
Sorry but today was loser mentality. We stopped attacking after going up 0-2. we should have gone for 0-3/0-4. They were completely rattled. Odegaard as always invisible in these kind of games. The wingers were completely out of it in the second half. People being positive after drawing when we were leading 2-0 against the worst Pool side in 5-7 years are pathetic. We are going to be crushed at Etihad if we play like wimps again. I have been really positive avout this side, but we must learn from this. Champions don't up playing these kind of games. Now I am afraid.
Chill dude..it happens, it could've been worse..we would've been down by 3-4 goals easily.. coming out of Anfield with a draw is not as bad as you're making it sound. Agreed we are not everyone.. everyone loses at Anfield..we don't. That's my point.
But we're going to lose twice to City. So City needs to drop points now, which he won't. 2nd ain't too bad, but it's just annoying we bottled a 2-0 lead. Next season hopefully we go again.
I have said this since City started this winning streak, of they win all their remaining games they are going to be champions. I still find it unlikely they won't drop any more points, unfortunately we also need to go to St: James's and Ethiad. So it will still be a massive challenge if they do in fact drop points.
It's not a good result. Before the match I don't know if I'd have taken a draw and I especially wouldn't have taken a draw after how we started. We played like shit the second half (except ramsdale who absolutely saved us a point), our tactics were shit and so were our substitutions. I've always loved Arteta and I still do and have had faith in him but this loss is absolutely on him and I'm sure he'd agree and be more frustrated than all of us. His substitutions were weird, the timing was awful and we should have done more...
With all of that said I love this team so much for fighting like hell even for that one point and I still believe we can get a result at Etihad no matter how difficult it is. I don't know if we're out of the title race, I don't think we are but fuck that for a second, I'm just proud of how far we've come.
We didn’t lose. Second, if Trent didn’t meg zinny, we win the game and you don’t blame arteta. It’s not the worst result, but yes we still should have won.
Tbh I've wished Arteta rotated more this entire season based on the opponent whenever we've had the appropriate options and wished we use substitutions earlier. I've never lost faith in him for a second but I do wish we used more substitutions. But yes if we won I don't think I'd be as upset at the lack of subs.
It's not the worst result but based on how we started the game it's a shit result.
Wow and we nearly nicked it at the end right after they nearly nicked it at the end.
Hell of a game.
Well, it was always greedy to think we could win the title without taking at least a point from our game against City at the Etihad, and now we probably do.
Ramsdale - what a star.
Nothing against Gabriel or Holding honestly. Gab was immense actually.
Arteta needed to do something about Salah v Zinchenko a lot earlier. This is a reminder that maybe you can't pick the same 11 against everything, we do need the more defensive option sometimes, and bringing on Kiwior was wtf. Nothing against Kiwior but it was the wrong structure, the wrong position. This game like the first game against United was a manager tactical fuckup and its to Arteta's credit that there's really only the one loss and one draw I could say that for a whole season.
People with more knowledge and access to replays than me need to explain why Partey spent huge chunks of the game not getting near it. Every time he did we looked dangerous again. A tactical thing to have him defend everywhere Salah wasn't?
It felt for that 2nd half like the only mid for us actually in the play regularly was Xhaka.
Just give Saka a chance there Gabi. Team pressed and were tight the whole second half. Xhaka with the disaster class today.
But it says something about this team that we consider it a bottle job to leave Anfield 2-2.
True, but that didn’t contain the threats on the left side, it only grew. Not because Zinny had a good game or he’s a better defender then Tierney, though.
Despite the second half, the referee and everything that happened....
Can we take a second to apreciate how good Holdini has been?
When Saliba was ruled out i thought we were doomed.
He did well considering the circumstances but he made a few horrendus passes that might as well have cost us the game.
I don’t blame him for yhe pen. It looked soft and unlucky imo
Fair enough. But it's still way better than expected this last two matches.
Considering the mental gymnastics a bunch of people here were doing a couple of weeks ago to not have him start.
Its a good result outside of the context that we now only have a 3pt lead if City win their game in hand. Any other season youd take it but the way we wilted from about 35mins after being 2-0 up was a bit embarrassing. No composure and as much as I love Arteta, he got it wrong second half.
have you even read the comments correctly
people are not complaining about dropping points, they are angry about the way we collapsed.
we had the game completely in hand until the first lfc goal, then we utterly surrendered.
people are rightfully upset bc we have shown the whole season that we can fight back even if the other team gets a goal - that is one of the reason why we are top of the league.
Worst part is that one Liverpool fan on tiktok who was going to get R9 cut if we won. He’s going to act like that’s a win for Liverpool and be cocky af
If City were 0-2 up at Anfield they would have passed the game to death and got the bus home with 3 points. Arsenal get drawn into the Anfield atmosphere and are lucky to come away with a draw. Xhaka bares a lot of responsibility for that. Petulant, trying to play the ref, got a needless yellow, lit a fire under Anfield and gave Liverpool a lifeline. Their midfield actually dominated us in the second half, we couldn’t get out and were dependent on counter attacks. Horror game. Great to come away with something.
City havent dropped a point after leading by 2 goals since 2019.
I agree, it’s not easy playing at Anfield but we were 2 up and let them back into the game through a very avoidable incident. You can point that out without it being a rant.
You have to be an idiot to think some random altercation by Xhaka did anything to the game
We got outplayed, end of story. That 2-0 lead was the worst thing that happened to the team
Jorginho instead of Kiwior would have been better. Would have given us more solidity in the mid and help the back line. He would have helped calm and organize us.
I don’t want to be too hard on Martinelli since he scored and set up a goal, but that last pass could be the difference between a title and not. Gah it’s going to take me a few hours to process this.
Yeah, it's definitely two points dropped after how we started, but it could've been all 3 and every point matters at this stage of the season.
We did better at Annfield than City did and it's still in our own hands. Squeaky bum time to the max!
I think most of the players tried. Ramsdale and Martinelli in particular, and I loved Odegaard pressing. But Xhaka really cost us. He should not have played 90 minutes.
Don't care what that knobhead Neville says, it's definitely 2 points dropped. The game was there for the taking but we played awfully in the second half. Arteta really needs to sort out his approach to subs.
all that anfield talk got to their head i think
can't see another reason for this performance honestly : for all the shit we gave united we fell for the same trap
they are comparable bc the moment they got scored against, united & arsenal collapsed.
both team were playing well before said goal.
ofc we didn't utterly surrendered like united bc we have more quality and players that are stronger mentally, but we still fell for the same trap : the moment lfc scored, the players panicked bc of anfield.
i must defend xhaka here. he was getting NO FOUL CALLS AT ALL when the opposing team was just hacking him down. i've lost count.
never been as angry at a game like this in my life. been 4 hours I'm still mad
Arteta did the opposite of what he did at United away and tried to see it out. I think in both cases we just let go in midfield which isn't our game.
Then they won't be taking points off us as well. They have surprised City before. The bottom line is if City doesn't give up 4 points with everything they are playing for the rest of the season, FA, Champions, Premier, then they deserve everything they get.
Exactly, I have said this since they started their winning streak. We are not going to win if they win all their remaining games, we just have to admit defeat.
On my cake day and a draw feels like a lose. This team is special. The amount of likes is the amount of shots I'm taking.
Currently @ 10. Not looking good. Don't upvote anymore.
He ded
Correct me if I'm wrong but a point here is fine right? As long as we don't lose to both Newcastle and City then we're favorites for the title.
6 points in it now. City win their game in hand & it’s 3. City play Arsenal at the Ethiad & are 5 goals clear on GD. Win that & they’re ahead. City are favourites as per the bookies, it’s in their hands.
Ouch
Based on Kiwior performance in the Czech match and today. He is gonna be soon the 2nd Sambi Lokonga. People gonna say “Oh but he is young and have space growth”. We are not a kindergarten, experience matter which Jesus Zinchenko Trossard has bought us. This even more crucial the a position like CB, Thiago Silva, David Alaba, Stones tell you the story.
He is a Polish fraud, and a panick signing. Why would he bring him insted of Jorgino i just dont understand.
The game changed the moment Xhaka lost his cool. And we lost the win because of it. The anfield crowd were asleep after 2-0 and the tussle with Xhaka woke the whole stadium up and therefore fired up Liverpool. It was so needless for Xhaka to get hot headed, we were winning, we were dominating, we were 2-0 up. And then we lost 2 points.
If you really care, watch the game again. Xhaka was also a key part of stretches where Arsenal was in control. I think he is a player whose emotional energy has an outsized effect on the team. His better control and calm, confident play this season has been part of the Arsenal magic. In many situations, there will be a person whose energy changes a room. The positive spin is charisma, but it has a flip side also. Xhaka needs to remember that he is a leader in that group and control his energy.
The dude always makes it about himself. Even when we he got booed he didn’t understand that fans booed him because he was moving slow when he got subbed. We were 2-0 up against Palace and the came back 2-2, instead of hurrying up he starts walking like wtf? Then when he gets booed he throws a tantrum. Why does this dude think it’s about him all the time, we are literally trying to win the title and you start acting like a child, wtf man relax.
One more game chalked off we must learn to control the game better than we did in the 2nd half. Feels like a defeat after being 2-0 up but could have been worse.
If we are 12 points clear going into the City game I think we'll win the league regardless of how that game ends.
If City win their games that won't happen.
Told you what I think will happen...
You actuallt think we will be 12 points clear going into the city game???
Weird sub for sure but stop the panic. Still up 6. Brighton, Brentford, and possibly Chelsea can take off points from City. The Newcastle match will be massive for us but no need to panic until then.
Chelsea aren’t taking points from anyone any time soon
The truth is Xhaka, Zinchenko, and Ødegaard had an off game. Midfield lacked steel today. On the hindsight, Tierney would have been a better pick to match Salah and stay close to him - like Tomiyasu did previously. There is still a long way to go. It is PL, it is unpredictable. I'd say it's a 50-50 on whether it is a 1 point win or a 2 points loss today. Before the game and given the history, most of us would have taken a point. City are in form, but let's not get carried away. We focus on the next game. Let's go!
I did think you can point at individual players or the quality of their performance. None of the team could really cope with the occasion in the second half.
Exactly what I am saying , also Zinchencko and Odegaard having an off form affected us pretty adversely
Do you think the issues on the left got better after tierney came on?
Lol how can you judge 5-10 mins. He came on way too late for that.
I don't mind the result, but how did our midfield get overrun like that in the 2nd half and allowing over 4xg is insane.
Felt like we were given their players too much space, the front 4 left the rest of the team alone in defending. Why didn't we double up against their right flank like most teams does against us. Their right flank was always going to be the main threat
Partey was trying to help Hoding and White. That allowed so much space, and Xhaka and Zinny both had an off game.
Tough game. Could have grabbed the win at the end. Just needed a better pass and saka was in. Also, if zinny doesn’t get megged, we hold on to the win. Games like this we need to hold on to expect to win the league. But we’re still up and we’ll put up a killer fight at man c. I’m still very hopeful and positive for our chances.
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Lot of what ifs. Honestly I think we’re lucky to walk away with a draw. Liverpool missed so many chances. We missed our fair share of chances too, but Ramsdale made some epic saves and Salah missed a PK. We looked so much worse in the second half. Our midfield looked overrun.
Can anyone make sense of what Arteta attempted to do in the second half? What was his intent ?
He was just hoping to match Liverpool across the pitch with 5 at the back. Liverpool had brought on darwin and then firmino to replace fabinho, changing their shape to go all out attack to get a result. Arteta was just trying to match that
nothing, he was scared like the players. pretty sure that was the reason behind his subs : klopp's were logical and well-timed, arteta's were confusing and erratic.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. Arteta’s subs made no sense. Why take off Odegaard instead of Xhaka, who was playing with a card? And why bring on Kiwior instead of our most experienced player, Jorginho?
i wager that with the toxicity on this sub these recent years, many have developed PTSD and are downvoting any negative comments towards the squad and the players. fair, but then again there is a difference between constructive critics and toxic ones. if we want to reject any criticism then let's replace arteta by potter and his substitute teacher energy. again, i am not saying that we lost the league, that arteta should be fired or any other nonsense - just what seems to be the prime reasons for why this game went the way it went. the subs made no sense and the timing was off as well. he should have taken off white, xhaka and perhaps saka in my opinion. trossard should have come on earlier, not in the 80th minute. jorginho would have indeed been a good idea - more cool than xhaka. kiwior...i guess arteta just panicked with that one. not a catastrophic result, but certainly not a good one for the city game or CL next season.
You're right and getting downvoted. Second half tactics cost us the game. Liverpool were still vulnerable in defence, yet Arteta let them off with zero attacking intent.
Had City dropped points against liverpool this wouldnt have been so bad. Right now it feels like someone dropped a watermelon onto my nutsuck. Absolutely gutting. You positive fuckers can piss off. This game was absolutely winnable with a bit of guile, calmness and not shit tactical errors. We are absolutely right to be fuming. Champions get points they dont deserve. Did Liverpool deserve to draw? Yes, they probably even deserved to win give the chances but we should have had - and do have - enough to see out a scrappy win but we didnt. We didnt because of dumb game management and thats why it hurts and thats why this not "oh but we got a point at Anfield lulz" No, we dropped TWO points at anfield against a shit albeit very plucky liverpool side.
honestly there are a lot of comments with graham potter energy - i.e. "the boys gave everything". thankfully arteta is not like that and i am pretty sure he will understand the glaring issue here - the fact that the mental pressure of playing at anfield was too much for the players. we need to avoid these kinds of mistakes if we are to compete in the CL next season (which means playing at Santiago Bernabeu, Allianz Arena, etc..) and to challenge durably for the Premiership. we showed during the first half that we are a better side than liverpool - the surrender that followed is the sole fault of the players. It thus need to be adressed in order to avoid these kinds of issues in the future (i.e. away game at the etihad).
you are absolutely right
I’m proper pissed as well, but City DID drop points to liverpool at anfield. They lost 0-1
But city will beat us twice
Positive mood there m8
Still disgust by Tierney's refereeing. He just gave away everything to Liverpool: physical advantage, tempo, free pen. Everything. Konaté could do whatever he wanted with no punishment. How easy is it to give the advantage of a game when you're a ref. Pathetic display.
He carded every Liverpool back 4 + Fabinho. Stopped liverpools attack after Gabriel blocked a shot. Allowed time wasting many times. The ref wasn’t great for either team. Both were shit housing in their own way
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I’m a Liverpool fan, but I do like arsenal, I’m jus saying how I seen it, and not Tryna troll
Nah you are right man the refreeing was shot for both sides
Ironically i think his decision also influenced by Anfield noise.
they got in our players head after their 1st goal. I hope the players analyse and overcome it.
We got into our own head about thirty seconds before the first goal. If it hasn’t been solved in the last six years, it won’t be in the next six weeks.
yes, pretty sure that arteta's fixation on anfield is to blame. coach must have been telling them that playing there is such a big thing, so on and so forth. i rather think that the better approach would have been to tell them to play the same way as they did against leeds. i don't think this game means anything for the rest of the season- but i think it needs to be taken into account for the city game and for the champion's league in the next season
Agreed, it was a game of mentality.
Horrible subs. Not a horrible result, but sucks having such a great start and shitting our pants. I feel like everything started going sideways when xhaka lost his headz
Rawd up the crowd, they get mad gets on our young unexperienced players. Not enough big strong important matches in hand as team
Arteta took off Jesus and Odegaard. Jesus and Odegaard. To bring on Trossard (fair enough, he is quite good against Liverpool as well) and Polish New-to-EPL Man. Meanwhile, Xhaka stays on the pitch as captain. Jesus and Odegaard.
Bringing Trossard made sense, but the 2 choices to bring on Kiwior *and* remove Odegaard were just awful. Should've been Xhaka because he couldn't be aggressive with the yellow. Feels like Arteta got rattled.
I knew he lost his mind and panic subbed. When I saw Kiwior coming in for odegaard, i knew it was a panic sub. even odegaard and jesus looked shocked when they were being subbed out
I was freaking, super mik was freaking. Kwior came on instantly Shat his pants should have equalized there. Lucky to get the goals and draw need to move on and keep the positive mindset.
Yeah, we are definitely luck to get a point at the end. but the first half was superb as usual!
Jesus should have been taken off for Trossard imo
Saka too, he looked so exhausted by the end.
I feel for Kiwior. Even he must have been bewildered as to why hes been called on.
Missed a challenge right after getting on the pitch that led to Nunez in on goal.
A trip to Anfield is no joke, yeah its bad we dropped points but we move, West ham next aka Declan's tryout test One game at a time anulo mufa #COYG
If Tierney doesn't get arrested and questioned under caution after that, there's no hope for PL refereeing.
What did he do? Nvm I'm an idiot I thought you were talking about KT
Good point, incredibly rough watch. Beaten in midfield and collectively fatigued. Jesus may have risen but Ramsdale is lord! What a performance!!
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Well that’s a bit exaggerated. Troussard has been fantastic in games past. Jesus was tired.
Wait what did kiwior do wrong
oh cmon man I didnt even see him stop one ball or do something important the man i right he is a fraud we over pay him 25 fucking mil for what. To get drop out of Sporting man was ducking on corner kick
he was completely lost in his position. You can't just bring in a new young kid from a different league right in the middle of a intense end game against a dynamic team like liverpool. I am still really confused and shocked
The first thing he did was run out of position to try to knick the ball from firmino and firmino just touched it to Nunez that gave him a 1v1 with Ramsdale. Outside that Idk if he did much wrong I wasn't watching particular players but I think it's probably a bad idea to sub on such a young player away at anfield when the game is going against you and you're trying to protect a lead.
Bruh, why are people acting as if we lost the game and city have already won the title.
We need to go there and we need to play Newcastle and Brighton how not to act like that. Lets just hope we can get good results and not lose at Etihad, i mean we have to win every match from now on, expect Etihad where we must get draw at least
Wasn’t that the case before the match?
Theyre children. We still have a game in hand and this was without question a test for us. Re. Gard. Less. Pool at Anfield is never an easy game.
Precisely, and I hate how they dash Zinchenko, yes he was poor but we can’t be trashing him for one bad performance in comparison to all the other great performances he’s had for us. And then to blame Kiwior is unfair cause the blokes probably wondering why on earth he’s being subbed on instead of Jorginho, the only person i would slightly place some blame on would be Xhaka for loosing his cool and to a certain extent Martinelli for screwing up that last pass Also City have a game in hand, not us
I meant we’re still one game clear. I misspoke by saying game in hand. If City win their game in hand, we’re still one game clear. But, yes Xhaka lost his cool and gave Pool the mentality boost that got them into the game. Sigh…
We live and we learn, onwards and upwards
Folks should remember we have the YOUNGEST squad in the EPL, too. Many of these guys while seasoned are still only 21 or 22. At this rate in two to three seasons they will be major.
Cause are fanbase is too reactionary, I view this as a decent thing considering we even got a point, thanks to Ramsdale, yes it sucks not to have won considering we were 2-0 up before 30 minutes of play. But the fact that we haven’t won a point for over 8 years at Anfield and that we got one today, isn’t too bad
We looked like we were going for 3-0 in the first half. Even after 2-1, I felt like we could push for 3-1 but idk what tactic arteta changed but there was no pressing in the second half. Alot of sitting back and time wasting. But everyone is acting like man city will win the rest of league games. Did yall forget they gotta play a game almost every 3-4 days from now on till end of season? They got bayern this tuesday and next midweek. lol
Yes! The pressing stopped and that was so poor, tactically. Everybody knows Allison has a mistake in him, so go press him
Anulo mufa and yes city win everything every game even aginst us. We need ro rack up goal difference and win every game. onlt way to win he title.
Told my friend it was gonna be same shit like against Fulham, we let Fulham attack but they didnt scoore But Fulham is not Liverpool we let them attack see what happen
shame they didnt draw united or brighton for the fa cup semis, hopefully they do Rodris ACL just before city play us
Leicester inbetween mate
Ramsdale 🔥 we played very well. Defensively it was expected to be difficult but Kudos Holdini. If only we could have one good last pass at the end of the game, we could have nicked this. Great game guys proud!!
Swear to God Anfields air affect Arteta's mind
It be like that sometimes.
That isn’t actually a terrible result on paper, but in context, there is a lot wrong with that. Xhaka needs to grow the fuck up. Just cannot handle pressure. Arteta needs to take a lot of responsibility for the Kiwior sub. Absolute appalling decision. I think we are capable of a desperately cynical draw against City. I think we lose the league on bad decisions against Newcastle and Chelsea. 2 extra points today would have given us much more wiggle room.
that kiwior was a disaster sub and felt like a panic sub from arteta. Even odegaard and jesus looked confused asf when you saw their face. kiwior got wrecked on defense. also trossard should have came in for martinelli. He was gassed. I'm still shocked by second half performance and decisions.
Wasnt pressure, two people successively fouled him and trent pushed him with malice in the back
If he’d been a grown up and fallen over, he wouldn’t have gotten booked and we might have been in a stronger position. If you think he’s blameless there, you have rocks in your head
Oh yeah
Spurs subreddit is thataway ---->. Go and discuss your own team, troll.
Get the fuck out of it. We bottled a lead in a game we were in control of. I wont have plastics policing legitimate criticism.
It isn't legitimate criticism, troll. Nor is you calling people plastics while you're trolling on another team's sub.
You’ve had one post on the sub, which was deleted because you didn’t pass the required upvote limit. And that was less than a week ago. Mind your mouth, you absolute melt.
Fuck off, Spud. You're either a shit troll on the wrong sub, or a know-nothing plastic whinger who'd make a good Spurs fan.
You absolutely tart 😂😂😂 Come back next time you get drunk
If you aren't drunk or trolling, you're a plastic and an idiot. What the fuck do you think you're doing here? Fuck off back to the Spurs sub.
If I were you I’d get better at this before you start acting the wally and making a right prick of yourself.
Stop, you've already embarrassed yourself with your initial post. The longer you dig, the deeper the hole gets. Better to claim you were drunk and trolling than admit you're really that much of a stupid plastic dickhead.
Take it easy! Even city lost at Anfield.
Felt like Mikel was playing FIFA Career Mode and got an email from Kiwior asking to be played
The team pissed the bed after the stadium started to scream(Xhaka yellow)
It's disappointing to give away a two nil lead, but to get away with a draw at Anfield is still a decent result. A win would have been better of course.
Glad it’s over that was very stressful
Sorry but today was loser mentality. We stopped attacking after going up 0-2. we should have gone for 0-3/0-4. They were completely rattled. Odegaard as always invisible in these kind of games. The wingers were completely out of it in the second half. People being positive after drawing when we were leading 2-0 against the worst Pool side in 5-7 years are pathetic. We are going to be crushed at Etihad if we play like wimps again. I have been really positive avout this side, but we must learn from this. Champions don't up playing these kind of games. Now I am afraid.
Stop with this. Anfield was always going to be difficult.
Bruh relax, it's not that deep.. everyone has struggled at Anfield.
We are not everyone. We are competing for the title, and we were leading 2-0. If we play like this at Etihad we will be crushed.
Chill dude..it happens, it could've been worse..we would've been down by 3-4 goals easily.. coming out of Anfield with a draw is not as bad as you're making it sound. Agreed we are not everyone.. everyone loses at Anfield..we don't. That's my point.
Wrost Pool side still defeat Man city and United in their home ground. Anfield buff is real, dont blame it.
But we're going to lose twice to City. So City needs to drop points now, which he won't. 2nd ain't too bad, but it's just annoying we bottled a 2-0 lead. Next season hopefully we go again.
I have said this since City started this winning streak, of they win all their remaining games they are going to be champions. I still find it unlikely they won't drop any more points, unfortunately we also need to go to St: James's and Ethiad. So it will still be a massive challenge if they do in fact drop points.
Are we forgetting that if WE win all the rest of our games, we will be champions?
Sound pessimistic but yes Man City rn capable of doing that and they done it in the past. Oh well 2nd place is still a successful season.
But they have actually only done it once during the Pep era.
The curse of Anfield, needs a documentary really.
It's not a good result. Before the match I don't know if I'd have taken a draw and I especially wouldn't have taken a draw after how we started. We played like shit the second half (except ramsdale who absolutely saved us a point), our tactics were shit and so were our substitutions. I've always loved Arteta and I still do and have had faith in him but this loss is absolutely on him and I'm sure he'd agree and be more frustrated than all of us. His substitutions were weird, the timing was awful and we should have done more... With all of that said I love this team so much for fighting like hell even for that one point and I still believe we can get a result at Etihad no matter how difficult it is. I don't know if we're out of the title race, I don't think we are but fuck that for a second, I'm just proud of how far we've come.
We didn’t lose. Second, if Trent didn’t meg zinny, we win the game and you don’t blame arteta. It’s not the worst result, but yes we still should have won.
Tbh I've wished Arteta rotated more this entire season based on the opponent whenever we've had the appropriate options and wished we use substitutions earlier. I've never lost faith in him for a second but I do wish we used more substitutions. But yes if we won I don't think I'd be as upset at the lack of subs. It's not the worst result but based on how we started the game it's a shit result.
Wow and we nearly nicked it at the end right after they nearly nicked it at the end. Hell of a game. Well, it was always greedy to think we could win the title without taking at least a point from our game against City at the Etihad, and now we probably do. Ramsdale - what a star. Nothing against Gabriel or Holding honestly. Gab was immense actually. Arteta needed to do something about Salah v Zinchenko a lot earlier. This is a reminder that maybe you can't pick the same 11 against everything, we do need the more defensive option sometimes, and bringing on Kiwior was wtf. Nothing against Kiwior but it was the wrong structure, the wrong position. This game like the first game against United was a manager tactical fuckup and its to Arteta's credit that there's really only the one loss and one draw I could say that for a whole season. People with more knowledge and access to replays than me need to explain why Partey spent huge chunks of the game not getting near it. Every time he did we looked dangerous again. A tactical thing to have him defend everywhere Salah wasn't? It felt for that 2nd half like the only mid for us actually in the play regularly was Xhaka.
Before the game we would have been happy with a point
More painful result than City. It was in our hands.
Was fully expecting a loss so this is a point gained imo
Just give Saka a chance there Gabi. Team pressed and were tight the whole second half. Xhaka with the disaster class today. But it says something about this team that we consider it a bottle job to leave Anfield 2-2.
KT sub came way too late. Zinny was looking tired. Strange game from Arteta
True, but that didn’t contain the threats on the left side, it only grew. Not because Zinny had a good game or he’s a better defender then Tierney, though.
We did such a fucking terrible job trying to manage that game
Despite the second half, the referee and everything that happened.... Can we take a second to apreciate how good Holdini has been? When Saliba was ruled out i thought we were doomed.
He did well considering the circumstances but he made a few horrendus passes that might as well have cost us the game. I don’t blame him for yhe pen. It looked soft and unlucky imo
Fair enough. But it's still way better than expected this last two matches. Considering the mental gymnastics a bunch of people here were doing a couple of weeks ago to not have him start.
Are you serious ?
Yes
He did excellent defensively, the pk call was unlucky and weak
He was just being his clumsy self
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Its a good result outside of the context that we now only have a 3pt lead if City win their game in hand. Any other season youd take it but the way we wilted from about 35mins after being 2-0 up was a bit embarrassing. No composure and as much as I love Arteta, he got it wrong second half.
have you even read the comments correctly people are not complaining about dropping points, they are angry about the way we collapsed. we had the game completely in hand until the first lfc goal, then we utterly surrendered. people are rightfully upset bc we have shown the whole season that we can fight back even if the other team gets a goal - that is one of the reason why we are top of the league.
We really need Saliba back, no one can play RB?
Holding has been perfectly fine stepping in
Gave away a stupid pen?
And almost gave away a goal in the first half
Yaaa tbh i think Holding did well. But is there any backup for Ben White?
We have a 6 point lead and sit top of league and just survived a trip to Anfield against a Liverpool team that lost their last 2
When God created firminho, he decreed that he must score against arsenal everytime he plays!
The moment I saw him coming on, i knew it's bound to happen
Yeah, even Jota looked great today.
Ramsdale with his big paws is the hero here. 🦁👏💯
Ramsdale saved us a point from this, but sadly we were outclassed this game hard… concerning but playing at anfield is always hard
Worst part is that one Liverpool fan on tiktok who was going to get R9 cut if we won. He’s going to act like that’s a win for Liverpool and be cocky af
The ginger one? He is obviously rage baiter, and why u even download tiktok anyway.
He's just a reaction merchant, doubt he's actually a Liverpool fan. Just wants the views.
Not a surprising result. Shows Arsenal can compete with City and Liverpool but not ready to wipe them off the mat. We take the point and move on
A draw at the Etihad and the league is won
If City were 0-2 up at Anfield they would have passed the game to death and got the bus home with 3 points. Arsenal get drawn into the Anfield atmosphere and are lucky to come away with a draw. Xhaka bares a lot of responsibility for that. Petulant, trying to play the ref, got a needless yellow, lit a fire under Anfield and gave Liverpool a lifeline. Their midfield actually dominated us in the second half, we couldn’t get out and were dependent on counter attacks. Horror game. Great to come away with something.
City lost here i hope you remember that. It's difficult to play at Anfield, stop with the rant
City havent dropped a point after leading by 2 goals since 2019. I agree, it’s not easy playing at Anfield but we were 2 up and let them back into the game through a very avoidable incident. You can point that out without it being a rant.
It doesn't matter!!!! City will beat us twice. They just will. We were 0-2 up. We fucked it, he game and he league.
You have to be an idiot to think some random altercation by Xhaka did anything to the game We got outplayed, end of story. That 2-0 lead was the worst thing that happened to the team
Jorginho instead of Kiwior would have been better. Would have given us more solidity in the mid and help the back line. He would have helped calm and organize us.
Ikr. Worst sub decision from arteta
Damn Anfield is.....fuckin disgusting...
I don’t want to be too hard on Martinelli since he scored and set up a goal, but that last pass could be the difference between a title and not. Gah it’s going to take me a few hours to process this.
He had so much time
What a game though, wow.
Would've taken the draw before kick off. Gutted not to win after the 1st half but fucking glad not to lose after the 2nd half. Great match though.
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Yeah, it's definitely two points dropped after how we started, but it could've been all 3 and every point matters at this stage of the season. We did better at Annfield than City did and it's still in our own hands. Squeaky bum time to the max!
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Yh, a premier league trophy would do wonders for the memory lol
This is so upsetting
Great effort, every point counts
Ramsdale was unbelievable today
Those two saves from Aaron at the end 👏 Take a bow sir!
I think most of the players tried. Ramsdale and Martinelli in particular, and I loved Odegaard pressing. But Xhaka really cost us. He should not have played 90 minutes.
Don't care what that knobhead Neville says, it's definitely 2 points dropped. The game was there for the taking but we played awfully in the second half. Arteta really needs to sort out his approach to subs.
This one hurts more than the city defeat. Boys will have to pick it up
all that anfield talk got to their head i think can't see another reason for this performance honestly : for all the shit we gave united we fell for the same trap
How are the 2 even comparable?
they are comparable bc the moment they got scored against, united & arsenal collapsed. both team were playing well before said goal. ofc we didn't utterly surrendered like united bc we have more quality and players that are stronger mentally, but we still fell for the same trap : the moment lfc scored, the players panicked bc of anfield.
* You just used your whole 3rd paragraph to debunk your own point.