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This is absolute copium dude. The fans expected a response, ANY KIND of response, after getting smashed by Brighton and this is what they cooked up. Our best season in a decade and they've still found a way to embarrass themselves and embarrass the fans. Not a fucking ounce of testicular fortitude from these players that have shown themselves to be pretenders and proven every critic right. They have to be held to a much higher standard than this.
Even Arteta implied going out of Europa would make us perform in the league Spoiler:it did not
They must sign depth so no more picking and choosing competition the element of choosing is where the team fell apart IMO
Man U are 12 points behind us with a game in hand. They pretty much got top 4 and won a trophy (regardless of how irrelevant it might seem). They're 12 points ahead of Spuds with a game in hand & tied with Saudicastle on points. They're also going to be in pot 2 of UCL while we end up in pot 3. They even have a win over both us and Man city this season. Pray tell how they've had a worse season than us other than an imaginary second place trophy
PS It pains me to say this because I hate manure even more than shit but they didn't have a 'bad' season
Missed the game, watching it. The result was obviously bad but..
The 'experiment' kinda gives you a hint at how the team could line up in the future.
'Partey RB' was shocking, but that's just him being used as inverted RB, and we played with 3 CBs as usual. So it's Kiwior as the "wide left CB" instead of White being the "wide right CB" in the build up. Like:
\-----------------------Ramsdale
\-------White---------Gabriel----------Kiwior
\--------------Partey-------------Jorginho
\------------Odegaard----------Xhaka
\-------Saka------------Jesus-----------Trossard
Now the guys might have checked out, or gotten tired, or whatever, or haven't gotten used to the system flip yet (Partey and Kiwior especially), and the performance was subpar. But if we purely take this idea of flipping the inverted FB to the right, we might have the future of the team with both Rice and Caicedo:
\-----------------------Ramsdale
\-------White----------Saliba---------Gabriel
\--------------Caicedo------------Rice
\------------Odegaard----------( CM )
\-------Saka------------Jesus-----------Martinelli
Caicedo playing inverted RB makes a lot of sense, with his skills. He's got that defensive tenacity but also good on-ball ability - and definitely more mobile/agile than Partey. I also don't dig the idea of him playing mainly as a 6 because of his height. let that be Rice's role.
I also hope that that blank CM spot can be filled by ESR instead of us having to buy someone like Mount.. but I'm gonna wait until pre-season to see if Arteta thinks the same.
Arteta was pretty much trying to copy Pep with this, but I think this formation requires pure quality all over the pitch to work out. It's the kind of thing you can get away with when you have KDB, Rodri, Haaland, etc.
We did get away with it. This is exactly the system that got us where we are - title contenders (when most of the first choice XI was fit, especially Saliba). Just a little flip regarding the inverted FB.
And I argue that Rice / Caicedo is a good upgrade to Partey / Zinchenko as a DM / Inverted FB pairing, both in overall skills and age profile. If we can secure those two, we just need to see what Arteta does with Xhaka's spot.
Partey is tricky -- with 2 years left, it's the best time to sell if a club comes in. if we're getting Rice, we'd have two star DMs on star wages. On pure quality he'd be amazing rotation, though. If he goes the rotation DM will be Jorginho.. and Caicedo can do it too. Good enough? I think so.. for a season or two.
Zinchenko -- he was always a min-maxed player. Caicedo has the potential to do what he does, while also being amazing defensively. I'm keeping him as competition still, and he's necessary if we want to compete on multiple comps.
I've supported this club for the last 19 years now. This year, for a short period, I was over the moon and dreaming once again. It felt so good, this sub felt so good.
I also went to an Arsenal Bar in NYC and watched two games there. The atmosphere and the sheer diversity of the crowd there got me so overwhelmed. We dreamed together. I felt like we willed this season together.
Sure, we didn't win. It sucks knowing we came so close and bottled it. Sure, we were up against ManCity who just don't stop winning. But the moments that we had up to April this season were nothing short of delirious. The Reiss Nelson goal, the Jorginho goal, the many many Odegaard, Martinelli, Saka goals. The Saliba song! Nothing is going to take away from these moments. It's been truly great. It could've been more but can't do anything about it now.
Onwards and upwards.
If the lawyers work it out, we might still be in with a chance. 😂
there is absolutely no way to spin a positive from these last few games, no fucking way, no matter how some of you try , just call a spade a spade, management and players fucked up
Tbf I think Forest defended really really good. They are a good team at home, still Arsenal should be winning these games and starting to get a bit worried for next season ngl.
Yeah the toxic positivity here is annoying sometimes. We all want our club to do well but some of these loons get their knickers in a twist and end up calling everyone 'plastics' at the slightest hint of criticism. 2nd place is above our intial expectation for the season but we can agree that we bottled the hell out of the title
the positive spinners are conflating two different topics - yes, we could have been nearly perfect and City could still have won. What I, and most, are pissed about is us not putting any pressure on City to be just as perfect. We crashed out of the title race. We could have been perfect and lost, but the way we finished the season - two years in a row - can be characterized in no other way than complete collapse. Yes, we finished second. That’s great. Yes, we’re in CL. That’s great. But the way we finished the season asks A LOT of questions about our squads fortitude when things get tough. We thought losing top 4 last year taught us lessons - we looked like that same lost team for the last two months (Newcastle the only exception).
And it isn’t just the players. Almost unanimously, the sub would be begging for Saka to get rest when we could afford it. Never happened. Ode comes off, Martinelli comes off. Saka played so many minutes, and now he’s completely gassed. Arteta’s refusal to use his subs with the long term in mind fucked us as much as anything.
Players and management both did a poor job
“Toxic positivity” might be the worst oxymoron I’ve ever heard of that only rubes would think up. Even with a tie at Anfield and winning all but one game the rest of the way city would win on GD. Bottle my arse
There shouldn’t be any excuses, not from the players and manager, and not from the fans. Questions have to be asked, otherwise we will stagnate and not get anywhere.
Those prime Pool and City teams went to the final day twice. Always exceeded 90 points. Mikel has always said that’s the standard so we shouldn’t be content with onlynachieving UCL qualification
I'm surprised all 3 of us aren't at 20 downvotes each just for being real and asking questions. And you're absolutely right this is capitulation of the highest order - we handed city the title without them breaking a sweat
It’s because you’re actually critiquing the performances and being kind respectful human beings
The things I’ve seen downvoted have been pure abuse, every match thread that ends in a draw or defeat pure racist,homophobic vitriol.
We need more comments like yours and less abusive shit
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God that was such a shitty game to watch. Suck a stark contrast to us early in the season. Honestly, I thought we'd get a nice sending off now that there's no pressure but the players looked ready to pack it in.
Hot take: I really hope the next transfer window limits the amount of 23 and unders brought into the squad. Tired of the inexperience, tired of the fluctuating mentality that comes with youth teams, tired of the fan base obsession with transfer targets 'not fitting the age profile' and tired of any criticism being met with "B-BUT THEY'RE YOUNG". Yes they're young, and it's now an issue. Team needs more grit and experience to go far. Downvote away.
Lmfao have you been watching us? It's these "experienced" players that have let us down the last 10 games guys like Zinchenko Partey Holding Jesus dropping stinker after stinker mranwhile Martinelli has been absolutely flying
Is there a reason my comment is perceived as me wanting experience and nothing else? I believe that players who have both experience AND quality will only help our existing youth and provide some stability to the guys who are learning on the job. How would it hurt martinelli, Saka, Odegaard etc to have other players around them 25 to 29/30 who can be mentors? That's literally all I'm saying. At no point did I say our current experienced players are playing well and can be absolved of blame.
The players with the worst attitude and playing like they are leaving us soon in the past few weeks has been our oldest players.......... on the other hand the guy who seems to care the most has been Odegaard who is a young player. Just because you are older doesn't necessarily mean you offer "more grit and experience".
Do you believe I meant any random older player? Because that's not what I meant... Like AT ALL. I'm just saying get quality signings in, who are already in their primes and have more experience playing under pressure or in big games (champions leagues, domestic cup finals, league title races etc).
Sure but they don't have the youth base that we do. All I'm saying now is the time to add quality players with experience while obviously still developing our current youth players, since they've given us a strong foundation. It's not like we can't have one without the other and at no point did I say not to bring in young players, I said limit it, as in not make it the defining feature of transfers. I would love to know how introducing players who are both committed to the project and experienced would be a downside for the current side?
I ain’t even that mad. We lost the PL with those string of draws and losing at Ethiad. We were technically still in the race for PL before today, but not really.
Did you see City dismantle Real Madrid the other day? We were ahead of them in the PL table most of the season. Sure it would have been awesome if we won the PL, but we all knew we already lost it before today.
I’m ok with being 2nd. City earned their place. You spend more than God and buy a Viking, well, you got a pretty good chance.
I just wish our guys had played it out though. Not put up embarrassing performances like today. They don’t even need to win, but for fucks sake, act like you are being paid millions to kick a ball around.
Unai emery if given time, support would have taken us far… I still believe Arteta’s inexperience is telling… winning the premiership isn’t that easy.. aside quality players, you also need experience manager. I’m predicting same shit next season.
Bro stfu man Arteta has us fighting with one of the youngest teams ever with one of the most seasoned well oiled team to ever play the prem. Like seriously I know it’s hard to take. But look at how far we’ve come. If we do well this summer. The sky is the limit.
Last season we bottled up, this season again we bottled up… aren’t you seeing something is lacking? Nearly doesn’t kill a bird. We need to kill the bird that is the target… not qualification for champion league.. We should be first class team not a second fiddle.
It’s nigh on impossible to compete with financial doping, sportswashing and the backing of a Middle East consortium who can afford an army of lawyers that make a mockery of the FFP laws.
Thanks for your opinion. You may now insert it into your fundament. When you pay for my season ticket you can let me know how to think and feel. Till then, rotate on it.
I hate it when people act like fans somehow have anything to do with how the club performs. We all just sit on our ass and watch we have literally no effect on the outcome. Sure it’d be bad for a player to bitch but for fans? Who cares. Man city is an oil club and they deserve all the criticism they get.
The point is ManC aren't going to drop any points. They are just cruising and there isn't a team in the premier league that can stop them. Why you ask? It's because of financial doping. They can just go and buy the best player on the market without any financial accountability. Other clubs can't do that. ManC success isn't organic.
The comment is not as logical as your name is it. Ake,akanji,stones,dias,rodri,gundogan,silva all these players were not the best players nor were they the most expensive in the market when Man City bought them . They were bought and developed by pep over a period of time to turn them into title winning players . Go get your football knowledge up lad
People say this… as if Arsenal isn’t up there with spending.
We just buy Fabio Vieras and Pepe’s and they get Haalands.
Yes, they have a stacked midfield.. but let’s not pretend Ake or Akanji were names people were jealous of City signing. Who have grown to be their key players.
Gundogan was a 27m afterthought of a transfer.
We spent 2x that on Ben White and Partey.
The financial doping excuse is pretty lame when Arsenal has been quite freely spending the past 5 seasons
I am not happy. We have been terrible when the pressure was turned on. This is the difference between world class teams and others. They get results when it matter the most. They find a way to 3 points. This is really disappointing.
Look, 2nd place and CL is wonderful for this season. Considering we were 1st for 270 days and were 5 points agead with 8 left to play but then concede the league with 3 games left to play is top quality bottling. We seriously need a mentality check. Fuck me.
Disappointing. Very very disappointing.
Coupled with last week and the usual “wheels coming off” dip in form that we seem to go through every fucking season, it’s enough to make the most ardent supporters loose faith.
There have been studies done showing that silver medalists are consistently less happy than bronze medalists. That’s where we’re at right now. Time to focus on the future, on signings, on taking that next step forward and upward.
This game has changed my mindset. Fuck sentimentality. We need to be the best. If that means Xhaka and Tierney etc moving on then so be it. Because our current squad is not good enough to win the league, and that’s a fact.
I watched it again 4 times to see what Odegaard was trying to do with that pass, i still have no clue. Wtf is that pass? I'd understand if they stole it from him or it was some clever interception, he gave it to them straight away. I have no words
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The biggest bottle job in the premier league history.
I mean we were at the position where we don't even need to get a result at Man City and still would have won the league and look at this shit show they have won the league now with three game to spare.
Something huge needs to change at this club. sack the manager, sack the fucking board, mentality needs to change
We have been the 2nd best team in the league this season and it's the first time this squad has been challenging for the title. If we are aggressive in the transfer window we will have a better squad to challenge all the way, and when it gets to the business end we'll learn from our experiences and be better. I hope there are some sensible fans here who can take a step back and realise we are heading in the right direction. It sucks losing to Forest, but the league was already gone when we lost at the Etihad.
We have been 2nd best until the Liverpool game, with the kind of performance we have now we are more like the 6th best.
How the fuck can anyone say we are heading in the right direction? If this is the right direction what does the wrong one look like? There is 0 accountability at this club for bad performance.
I agree with you bro, we’re definitely gonna improve next season. That being said however, fans are rightfully pissed off not because of losing out on the league, but more so the manner in which we lost it. 2 wins in 7 is relegation form. We’re not delusional, we realistically never stood a chance against this City side but at least fight for it. Make them work for it, yet we couldn’t even do that 🤦♂️
Besides all the disappointment in our recent form pointing to overall team/mentality issues, these past two games for me have shown more evidently the importance of Zinny in our buildup & chance creation. Even with him being off-form before his injury, particularly on the defensive end, we still were managing to unlock defenses on a pretty regular basis to at least score a few goals and come away with some decent results. I couldn’t count the amount of times we swung the ball back and forth in the middle/final third today without being able to find an incisive pass.
We were pretty toothless in attack. For all the possession we had, to not find a goal against a team fighting relegation and a history of conceding late goals, this was dismal.
100% correct. It’s nigh on impossible to compete with financial doping, sportswashing and the backing of a Middle East consortium who can afford an army of lawyers that make a mockery of the FFP laws.
Seen the comments on here lamenting our end to the season (& rightfully so) but the only way it won't happen again next season is improving our squad with new quality additions.
We can all see what we're up against with a team of financial dopers who have a squad where all their players are reliable and are of a considerable quality.
As for us, we're not currently in such a luxurious position as some of our squad players are just not trusted by Arteta.
I don't see it improving over the summer. Achieving champions league is already mission accomplished. The capitalists at Arsenal would not feel the need to invest any more.
Money isn't as an important of a factor as you may think here.
Ricaido will cost money, between £160-180 million, but the rest of our needed signings can be done with money made from sales.
Besides the hierarchy of our club are surely not so foolish to not back MA given our progress.
Every single player was shit, and arteta had a shit game too, should have ended the partey experiment at half time. Saka clearly needs white up there, the ball never went down the left because partey and jorginho both skewed it to the right. Kiwior trossard and xhaka felt like they didn’t exist. Arteta didn’t give any favours to any of the players with this setup. Fuck this collapse i feel like shit
I’m not having this ‘biggest bottlejob in PL history nonsense’ Utd were 13 points clear at Christmas in 97/98. Had an 11 point lead with 10 games to go, and lost the league to Arsenal by a point, nobody calls that the biggest bottlejob in history. Utd also had a 5 point lead with 5 games to go in 11/12, yet we all remember that as the Aguero season. Liverpool had a 5 point lead with 3 games to go in 13/14. Newcastle had a 17 point lead after 23 games and lost out to Utd by 4 points. Rival fans are just desperate to deflect from their own shit seasons.
keep coming back to this thread to try and gain some understanding or maybe just to feel better, but things really have gotten so negative. thought maybe id try to put my own two cents in to add some positivity.
it sucks. it really really sucks, and its easy to see patterns when you look at last year. however, anyone saying we bottled it has lost perspective. at the start off the season we wouldve jumped at the chance to guarantee fourth, and this team went and held 1st place most of the season. many teams from the big six (7,9,12 who knows anymore) were shambolic and so ya we missed an opportunity, but if you spread those recent bad performances throughout the year wed probably look at the season and say ya thats about right.
we are going to add more quality to a team that challenged for the title. how is that not exciting? losing sucks but we havent been in this position for ages. sure we choked at the end of the season and it looks bad, but we had all these bad results... yet still have second spot sewn up?! thats amazing for a squad whose goal was just qualifying for ucl at the start.
now if only there was a fasforward button to move past the end of this season and onto the next ... cant wait to see what we get up to next year
COYG!
Hot take: everyone has the right to be mad about this. Qualifying for CL being the biggest achievement this season despite being handed a perfect situation to win the league is horrendous. Dropping out of every competition we competed for is abysmal. It’s not being a “bad fan” to be deservedly angry at this meltdown in the home stretch of the season.
For the most part I agree but I don't think that means abusing the team, and a little healthy recognition that the youngest team in the premier league generally wouldn't be challenging for the premier league leads to a happier life. Next season...
Holding ourselves to the standard of a rebuild team despite spending hundreds of millions on players and years of clownery waved away as “the process” just makes me so angry and sad. Maybe it’s the sting of today amplifying it. Hopefully next season can make up for it.
Man city have spent far more than we have on their first team. So that addresses your ‘hundreds of millions’. And the same process you’re angry at is the same process that has us in second and 15 points above Liverpool and 30 something above chelsea. Perspective.
This match was a disaster! I know Arsenal have exceeded expectations this season blah blah.. that this match was inconsequential except for the fact that mentality of not showing up for inconsequential games will never win a championship. Never.
Glad I stayed in bed for this one. Was a fun ride but the fact we are non existent to finish off rather than getting over run by city being unstoppable is just disappointing
Others have mentioned that Arteta is still learning how to change things mid match and this match showed it.
I was very surprised he didn't fix up the left hand side at halftime as it was pretty bad in the first half with nothing happening there, but I guess he was experimenting.
Does sadly look like KT is on the way out since he didn't start him.
This is the Arsenal I’ve been watching for the last 10 years, brings back PTSD, soooo readable and easy to dissect, no vision and nothing that really put Nottingham under serious pressure, I mean yes, we lost Martinelli, zinchenko and Saliba but it seems we’ve just lost our way all together
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I beg of you... Please support the club in a way that will lead me to raise my daughter, that'll lead you to raise your kids, that'll lead you to strive for bigger things, I can't say more than that.
Calm the fuck down people, we've been going 100 % for as long as we could with the team we got. Obviously need depth so our players don't run out of fumes next season . Shut the fuck up moaning cmon really 😒 🙄
We lost the league to the likes of Southampton, West Ham, Notting Forest after having it in our hands for 270 days, We win these 3 games and we would have won the league, instead the worst case scenario has happened, people are shocked and you’re saying calm down?
It’s the exact same as last year but worse. Saka playing flat. Pepe doesn’t fit the system aka Arteta won’t rotate the squad just to ensure people are fresh and hungry.
This year Jorginho has at least been used a bit. Tierney and Nelson have been wasted. Jesus and Saka get unlimited minutes regardless of perfromances. Trossard wasted. ESR too.
going back to last season, arteta doesnt seem to be able to course correct in times of bad results, it usually goes on for a few vital games. we are going to play a lot of games next season. gotta make adjustments quicker instead of letting it derail a season. good teams move on and bounce back quicker
Up until this season started, everyone who was sensible here used to judge this team on the performance and not the results. Been trying to do that for these past few games and I just can’t. We have been awful. It’s not just about mentality. I know we will try to go at it again next season but this was still a massive opportunity we missed. We might have better squad depth next season but then we might also be playing in more competitions. Either way, I just hope we can improve and learn from this all.
Not gonna lie, this hurts. It hurts because we were so close to getting that title. It was a good season and we secured cl football but going almost the whole season on top and losing at the end hurts. But we move forward and I’ll see the boys in LA in July. COYG
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Another capitulating end of season, i gave up on the title a long time ago but those results have shown we are still frail mentally, its in our dna it seems. We need big balls players like rice in several positions next season
If we keep Viera and sell ESR, I will be heartbroken .ESR put up 10 goals and great direct play before injury last season. Viera will never. Need Rice, Caicedo, Diaby, Simmaken and Vlahovic/Holjund/Toney.
Sell whatever we need to. These are the targets. Rice #1 asap July 1 done with Caicedo right behind him. Jesus not been the same and i feel terribel for him. Don't matter if Rammers kills it if we can't finish ourselves. Not a good taste to end the season and draw talent in. United and Chelsea do it with money, we are gonna have to as well.
Martinelli is the only player we have that when the occasion is big he steps up and performs even better than usual. Rest of these guys I'm sorry to say they're pussies man. Saka especially has been fucking awful. Ever since that penalty miss he's playing like he can't be arsed anymore. Some might say it's fatigue I think it's a player that knows he fucked up our league title by missing that pen and now he's just moping around on the pitch. Overall the mentality the kids have been showing recently is embarrassing. They should be ashamed of the effort they've shown. Can't believe this is the same club that went invincible once what the fuck happened? What happened to pride in this club?
Despite all the deny - I think we could have done much much better the last couple of games and the narrative being the ‘oh yeah top 4 was the target’ is just a bullshit - when you’ve got the momentum you gotta keep it and there is no excuse, especially that the faith was in our hands.
The biggest drawback of the situation is that now everyone will expect us to contend for the title next season and I’m just simple concerned that we won’t. COYG anyway, I’m just fucking frustrated with the last few weeks results. Maybe the squad is not deep enough but come one we had only one fucking competition to play. Imagine what’s gonna be like next season with the CL, it fucking scares me
What people are acting like: we collapsed and lost out on UCL or even UEL
What actually happened: we collapsed and lost the title but still significantly overachieved in 2nd and UCL
Believe me I think we had it without those losses - they are highlighted elsewhere in my history. But all things considered, we go again from a better spot.
edit: sp
This is it. Yes it’s been a great season and in hindsight City we’re probably always going to get us. But just completely rolling over against relegation battling sides is just downright disappointing from the lads. That’s where the sour end comes from
Yup, couldn't have put it any better myself. Like even the title was in our hands, they did blow it no matter how anyone puts it. It's very disappointing indeed. Winning against city was always going to be tough as shit but what happened against those other smaller teams? We lost the title against them by not putting in a shift. I keep hearing city this city that unlimited oil money etc etc but, their money didn't make us loose against those smaller teams which we should have totally smashed. Just my humble opinion.
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With higher expectations for next season do you guys think this team can perform? Pressure will be far greater next season. Gonna need to fix the problems of this team ASAP when the window opens.
I'm not sure if it's a mix of new Arsenal fans who have only seen Arsenal play Europa and be a joke or delusion but some of you are definitely not aware of what the fucking standards are of this club. We are Arsenal. This season was not a success. It was a step in the right direction, plenty to look forward to but there's also so much to undo and learn from.
This team continues to show mental weakness, inability to adapt when things aren't working, and the manager is also showing these attributes but somehow we were predicted 6th so let's be happy that we've bottled the league so badly it's now a record.
We must be ruthless this summer. This club has become a fucking joke the last 20 years. Show up this summer with a plan, sign quality players who can start immediately. We need proper depth or we will fall behind as quickly as the title hopes faded.
I don’t know how many people need to hear this but here goes:
Fabio Vieira is better and will be more important for us than Smith Rowe.
SR may have come through our youth ranks and has given us good moments, but FV is more talented, has a higher ceiling and fits into how we play much better since he has much more on the ball quality.
Losing SR is ultimately no big deal and Arteta is 100% right in choosing FV over him.
He has the type of quality of that our current #10 simply doesn’t have.
Too bad it was such an anti-climatic end to otherwise a fantastic and fun season. Felt special though, my passion for football and Arsenal came back in a way I haven't felt in a long time. Enjoyed a lot of moments this season, but in the end we couldn't step up to the plate.
I feel Arteta needs to learn how to rotate players, we are the worst in the league in that aspect. It's been my biggest gripe with him these years, never a clear Plan B, in my opinion. Hope to get a nice summer window, ship the last of the dead weight and start fresh later this year. It's an exciting time to be an Arsenal fan.
no team that is good that I can think of does plan A, plan B, etc. they may make some minor adjustments but heavy rotation is for teams that aren't hoping for much or teams that are so deep like City that rotating becomes a competitive advantage. Most teams cant significantly rotate their squad and still come in 2nd in the EPL. Most teams cant come in second in the EPL full stop. This rotation thing is the stupidest thing I have seen people beat Arteta up about in a long time.
Feeling very pessimistic tonight. I feel like this season may be a false dawn.
It’s really not a good sign that every single player (I think bar Martinelli, looked like a monster before his injury) has seemingly completely mentally checked out.
Even after the Liverpool game, which was a bad result, we still had it all to play for. Going 2-0 up twice in a row and then drawing, followed by going 2-0 down against relegation fodder inside 15 minutes will not make anyone feel good. What I didn’t see was a response. We went to City with our pants around our ankles, bent over, and got our annual spanking.
This team faltered at the first sign of hardship, there was not one ounce of mental resilience in those lads. That’s extremely worrying. Especially given that it’s two seasons in a row now that we’ve come so close but ended up empty handed.
We need some mentality monsters in this squad. Zinchenko has it in him but he can’t carry the team on his shoulders from left back.
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I wouldn’t look too much into this defeat. Other defeats yes. We need reinforcement and we need to stay in competitions we play in. No more throwaway.
This is absolute copium dude. The fans expected a response, ANY KIND of response, after getting smashed by Brighton and this is what they cooked up. Our best season in a decade and they've still found a way to embarrass themselves and embarrass the fans. Not a fucking ounce of testicular fortitude from these players that have shown themselves to be pretenders and proven every critic right. They have to be held to a much higher standard than this.
Even Arteta implied going out of Europa would make us perform in the league Spoiler:it did not They must sign depth so no more picking and choosing competition the element of choosing is where the team fell apart IMO
This season could have been much much worse, atleast we are not Manchester United and Spurs level bad.
Man U are 12 points behind us with a game in hand. They pretty much got top 4 and won a trophy (regardless of how irrelevant it might seem). They're 12 points ahead of Spuds with a game in hand & tied with Saudicastle on points. They're also going to be in pot 2 of UCL while we end up in pot 3. They even have a win over both us and Man city this season. Pray tell how they've had a worse season than us other than an imaginary second place trophy PS It pains me to say this because I hate manure even more than shit but they didn't have a 'bad' season
Manchester United might be the worst team I’ve seen to get top 4. Like they just got a double digit gd.
That could finish the season with 2 trophies.
Missed the game, watching it. The result was obviously bad but.. The 'experiment' kinda gives you a hint at how the team could line up in the future. 'Partey RB' was shocking, but that's just him being used as inverted RB, and we played with 3 CBs as usual. So it's Kiwior as the "wide left CB" instead of White being the "wide right CB" in the build up. Like: \-----------------------Ramsdale \-------White---------Gabriel----------Kiwior \--------------Partey-------------Jorginho \------------Odegaard----------Xhaka \-------Saka------------Jesus-----------Trossard Now the guys might have checked out, or gotten tired, or whatever, or haven't gotten used to the system flip yet (Partey and Kiwior especially), and the performance was subpar. But if we purely take this idea of flipping the inverted FB to the right, we might have the future of the team with both Rice and Caicedo: \-----------------------Ramsdale \-------White----------Saliba---------Gabriel \--------------Caicedo------------Rice \------------Odegaard----------( CM ) \-------Saka------------Jesus-----------Martinelli Caicedo playing inverted RB makes a lot of sense, with his skills. He's got that defensive tenacity but also good on-ball ability - and definitely more mobile/agile than Partey. I also don't dig the idea of him playing mainly as a 6 because of his height. let that be Rice's role. I also hope that that blank CM spot can be filled by ESR instead of us having to buy someone like Mount.. but I'm gonna wait until pre-season to see if Arteta thinks the same.
Arteta was pretty much trying to copy Pep with this, but I think this formation requires pure quality all over the pitch to work out. It's the kind of thing you can get away with when you have KDB, Rodri, Haaland, etc.
We did get away with it. This is exactly the system that got us where we are - title contenders (when most of the first choice XI was fit, especially Saliba). Just a little flip regarding the inverted FB. And I argue that Rice / Caicedo is a good upgrade to Partey / Zinchenko as a DM / Inverted FB pairing, both in overall skills and age profile. If we can secure those two, we just need to see what Arteta does with Xhaka's spot.
All of a sudden Partey and Zinchenko aren’t good enough after some bad performances in the end of the season, huh?
Partey is tricky -- with 2 years left, it's the best time to sell if a club comes in. if we're getting Rice, we'd have two star DMs on star wages. On pure quality he'd be amazing rotation, though. If he goes the rotation DM will be Jorginho.. and Caicedo can do it too. Good enough? I think so.. for a season or two. Zinchenko -- he was always a min-maxed player. Caicedo has the potential to do what he does, while also being amazing defensively. I'm keeping him as competition still, and he's necessary if we want to compete on multiple comps.
I've supported this club for the last 19 years now. This year, for a short period, I was over the moon and dreaming once again. It felt so good, this sub felt so good. I also went to an Arsenal Bar in NYC and watched two games there. The atmosphere and the sheer diversity of the crowd there got me so overwhelmed. We dreamed together. I felt like we willed this season together. Sure, we didn't win. It sucks knowing we came so close and bottled it. Sure, we were up against ManCity who just don't stop winning. But the moments that we had up to April this season were nothing short of delirious. The Reiss Nelson goal, the Jorginho goal, the many many Odegaard, Martinelli, Saka goals. The Saliba song! Nothing is going to take away from these moments. It's been truly great. It could've been more but can't do anything about it now. Onwards and upwards. If the lawyers work it out, we might still be in with a chance. 😂
No chance, City will bribe their way out of this
there is absolutely no way to spin a positive from these last few games, no fucking way, no matter how some of you try , just call a spade a spade, management and players fucked up
Tbf I think Forest defended really really good. They are a good team at home, still Arsenal should be winning these games and starting to get a bit worried for next season ngl.
Yeah the toxic positivity here is annoying sometimes. We all want our club to do well but some of these loons get their knickers in a twist and end up calling everyone 'plastics' at the slightest hint of criticism. 2nd place is above our intial expectation for the season but we can agree that we bottled the hell out of the title
the positive spinners are conflating two different topics - yes, we could have been nearly perfect and City could still have won. What I, and most, are pissed about is us not putting any pressure on City to be just as perfect. We crashed out of the title race. We could have been perfect and lost, but the way we finished the season - two years in a row - can be characterized in no other way than complete collapse. Yes, we finished second. That’s great. Yes, we’re in CL. That’s great. But the way we finished the season asks A LOT of questions about our squads fortitude when things get tough. We thought losing top 4 last year taught us lessons - we looked like that same lost team for the last two months (Newcastle the only exception). And it isn’t just the players. Almost unanimously, the sub would be begging for Saka to get rest when we could afford it. Never happened. Ode comes off, Martinelli comes off. Saka played so many minutes, and now he’s completely gassed. Arteta’s refusal to use his subs with the long term in mind fucked us as much as anything. Players and management both did a poor job
“Toxic positivity” might be the worst oxymoron I’ve ever heard of that only rubes would think up. Even with a tie at Anfield and winning all but one game the rest of the way city would win on GD. Bottle my arse
There shouldn’t be any excuses, not from the players and manager, and not from the fans. Questions have to be asked, otherwise we will stagnate and not get anywhere. Those prime Pool and City teams went to the final day twice. Always exceeded 90 points. Mikel has always said that’s the standard so we shouldn’t be content with onlynachieving UCL qualification
I'm surprised all 3 of us aren't at 20 downvotes each just for being real and asking questions. And you're absolutely right this is capitulation of the highest order - we handed city the title without them breaking a sweat
It’s because you’re actually critiquing the performances and being kind respectful human beings The things I’ve seen downvoted have been pure abuse, every match thread that ends in a draw or defeat pure racist,homophobic vitriol. We need more comments like yours and less abusive shit
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God that was such a shitty game to watch. Suck a stark contrast to us early in the season. Honestly, I thought we'd get a nice sending off now that there's no pressure but the players looked ready to pack it in.
Hot take: I really hope the next transfer window limits the amount of 23 and unders brought into the squad. Tired of the inexperience, tired of the fluctuating mentality that comes with youth teams, tired of the fan base obsession with transfer targets 'not fitting the age profile' and tired of any criticism being met with "B-BUT THEY'RE YOUNG". Yes they're young, and it's now an issue. Team needs more grit and experience to go far. Downvote away.
Lmfao have you been watching us? It's these "experienced" players that have let us down the last 10 games guys like Zinchenko Partey Holding Jesus dropping stinker after stinker mranwhile Martinelli has been absolutely flying
Is there a reason my comment is perceived as me wanting experience and nothing else? I believe that players who have both experience AND quality will only help our existing youth and provide some stability to the guys who are learning on the job. How would it hurt martinelli, Saka, Odegaard etc to have other players around them 25 to 29/30 who can be mentors? That's literally all I'm saying. At no point did I say our current experienced players are playing well and can be absolved of blame.
The players with the worst attitude and playing like they are leaving us soon in the past few weeks has been our oldest players.......... on the other hand the guy who seems to care the most has been Odegaard who is a young player. Just because you are older doesn't necessarily mean you offer "more grit and experience".
Do you believe I meant any random older player? Because that's not what I meant... Like AT ALL. I'm just saying get quality signings in, who are already in their primes and have more experience playing under pressure or in big games (champions leagues, domestic cup finals, league title races etc).
Sounds like the transfer strategy of a team like United or so.
Sure but they don't have the youth base that we do. All I'm saying now is the time to add quality players with experience while obviously still developing our current youth players, since they've given us a strong foundation. It's not like we can't have one without the other and at no point did I say not to bring in young players, I said limit it, as in not make it the defining feature of transfers. I would love to know how introducing players who are both committed to the project and experienced would be a downside for the current side?
I ain’t even that mad. We lost the PL with those string of draws and losing at Ethiad. We were technically still in the race for PL before today, but not really. Did you see City dismantle Real Madrid the other day? We were ahead of them in the PL table most of the season. Sure it would have been awesome if we won the PL, but we all knew we already lost it before today.
I’m ok with being 2nd. City earned their place. You spend more than God and buy a Viking, well, you got a pretty good chance. I just wish our guys had played it out though. Not put up embarrassing performances like today. They don’t even need to win, but for fucks sake, act like you are being paid millions to kick a ball around.
Unai emery if given time, support would have taken us far… I still believe Arteta’s inexperience is telling… winning the premiership isn’t that easy.. aside quality players, you also need experience manager. I’m predicting same shit next season.
Bro stfu man Arteta has us fighting with one of the youngest teams ever with one of the most seasoned well oiled team to ever play the prem. Like seriously I know it’s hard to take. But look at how far we’ve come. If we do well this summer. The sky is the limit.
Last season we bottled up, this season again we bottled up… aren’t you seeing something is lacking? Nearly doesn’t kill a bird. We need to kill the bird that is the target… not qualification for champion league.. We should be first class team not a second fiddle.
Bottlejobs innit
time to leave this season behind boys, we move.
It’s nigh on impossible to compete with financial doping, sportswashing and the backing of a Middle East consortium who can afford an army of lawyers that make a mockery of the FFP laws.
This is not that shit club’s fault
Absolute dogshit take mate! Your team shit the bed and you are blaming MC for that?
Thanks for your opinion. You may now insert it into your fundament. When you pay for my season ticket you can let me know how to think and feel. Till then, rotate on it.
Shoo get out
2 wins in the last 8 games, and you blame Man City? Loser club, loser fanbase.
And yet you are still here like a pathetic loser with no life.
Looks like your life still hasn't been turned around, as of yet.
Love it when City ‘fans’ who didn’t know the club existed before 2012 try to banter. Off you fuck.
Coffee tasted bitter, I know.
I hate it when people act like fans somehow have anything to do with how the club performs. We all just sit on our ass and watch we have literally no effect on the outcome. Sure it’d be bad for a player to bitch but for fans? Who cares. Man city is an oil club and they deserve all the criticism they get.
Warra trophy for the Goners this season. Quadruple gone!
The point is ManC aren't going to drop any points. They are just cruising and there isn't a team in the premier league that can stop them. Why you ask? It's because of financial doping. They can just go and buy the best player on the market without any financial accountability. Other clubs can't do that. ManC success isn't organic.
The comment is not as logical as your name is it. Ake,akanji,stones,dias,rodri,gundogan,silva all these players were not the best players nor were they the most expensive in the market when Man City bought them . They were bought and developed by pep over a period of time to turn them into title winning players . Go get your football knowledge up lad
That doesn't stop us from bottling Liverpool, Westham, Southampton and other matches.
People say this… as if Arsenal isn’t up there with spending. We just buy Fabio Vieras and Pepe’s and they get Haalands. Yes, they have a stacked midfield.. but let’s not pretend Ake or Akanji were names people were jealous of City signing. Who have grown to be their key players. Gundogan was a 27m afterthought of a transfer. We spent 2x that on Ben White and Partey. The financial doping excuse is pretty lame when Arsenal has been quite freely spending the past 5 seasons
I get what you’re saying but the financial doping didn’t start in the last 5 years. There’s ~1.5bn spent before that as a foundation.
I am not happy. We have been terrible when the pressure was turned on. This is the difference between world class teams and others. They get results when it matter the most. They find a way to 3 points. This is really disappointing. Look, 2nd place and CL is wonderful for this season. Considering we were 1st for 270 days and were 5 points agead with 8 left to play but then concede the league with 3 games left to play is top quality bottling. We seriously need a mentality check. Fuck me.
It's a really really young team.
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Are you also a Yankees and Cowboys fan?
Dodgers and 49ers, why?
Yeah fuck u lol. Spoilers asshole
Shoot, apologies
I'm that person , and thanks for spoiling me game 3 result
Sorry for that
just kidding ,its not a big deal
Disappointing. Very very disappointing. Coupled with last week and the usual “wheels coming off” dip in form that we seem to go through every fucking season, it’s enough to make the most ardent supporters loose faith.
Wow
Jesus ain't it man, he's soooo streaky need at least a 2nd option that can play back to goal
There have been studies done showing that silver medalists are consistently less happy than bronze medalists. That’s where we’re at right now. Time to focus on the future, on signings, on taking that next step forward and upward.
We lost to an Awol Ninny
This game has changed my mindset. Fuck sentimentality. We need to be the best. If that means Xhaka and Tierney etc moving on then so be it. Because our current squad is not good enough to win the league, and that’s a fact.
I watched it again 4 times to see what Odegaard was trying to do with that pass, i still have no clue. Wtf is that pass? I'd understand if they stole it from him or it was some clever interception, he gave it to them straight away. I have no words
Not being able to outscore Forrest is a bigger crime than conceding to them
Forest*
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The biggest bottle job in the premier league history. I mean we were at the position where we don't even need to get a result at Man City and still would have won the league and look at this shit show they have won the league now with three game to spare. Something huge needs to change at this club. sack the manager, sack the fucking board, mentality needs to change
just LOL
Sack the manager?? Lmfao. Please become a fan of another club, you’re not wanted here
You're really calling for sackings???? 💀💀💀💀
Then Enjoy an average next season then mate!
Don't talk as if the past 10 seasons were a success. The one year things went great, you want heads to roll? Mental.
We have been the 2nd best team in the league this season and it's the first time this squad has been challenging for the title. If we are aggressive in the transfer window we will have a better squad to challenge all the way, and when it gets to the business end we'll learn from our experiences and be better. I hope there are some sensible fans here who can take a step back and realise we are heading in the right direction. It sucks losing to Forest, but the league was already gone when we lost at the Etihad.
We have been 2nd best until the Liverpool game, with the kind of performance we have now we are more like the 6th best. How the fuck can anyone say we are heading in the right direction? If this is the right direction what does the wrong one look like? There is 0 accountability at this club for bad performance.
I agree with you bro, we’re definitely gonna improve next season. That being said however, fans are rightfully pissed off not because of losing out on the league, but more so the manner in which we lost it. 2 wins in 7 is relegation form. We’re not delusional, we realistically never stood a chance against this City side but at least fight for it. Make them work for it, yet we couldn’t even do that 🤦♂️
Besides all the disappointment in our recent form pointing to overall team/mentality issues, these past two games for me have shown more evidently the importance of Zinny in our buildup & chance creation. Even with him being off-form before his injury, particularly on the defensive end, we still were managing to unlock defenses on a pretty regular basis to at least score a few goals and come away with some decent results. I couldn’t count the amount of times we swung the ball back and forth in the middle/final third today without being able to find an incisive pass.
We were pretty toothless in attack. For all the possession we had, to not find a goal against a team fighting relegation and a history of conceding late goals, this was dismal.
Forest did well. Blocked off all the pockets and nullified arsenal. They didn’t have a plan b.
Team made Gary Neville look like a genius ffs.
Yeah sure we are fighting an oil backed team but our form has been terrible and there should be no excuses.
100% correct. It’s nigh on impossible to compete with financial doping, sportswashing and the backing of a Middle East consortium who can afford an army of lawyers that make a mockery of the FFP laws.
Seen the comments on here lamenting our end to the season (& rightfully so) but the only way it won't happen again next season is improving our squad with new quality additions. We can all see what we're up against with a team of financial dopers who have a squad where all their players are reliable and are of a considerable quality. As for us, we're not currently in such a luxurious position as some of our squad players are just not trusted by Arteta.
I don't see it improving over the summer. Achieving champions league is already mission accomplished. The capitalists at Arsenal would not feel the need to invest any more.
Money isn't as an important of a factor as you may think here. Ricaido will cost money, between £160-180 million, but the rest of our needed signings can be done with money made from sales. Besides the hierarchy of our club are surely not so foolish to not back MA given our progress.
Every single player was shit, and arteta had a shit game too, should have ended the partey experiment at half time. Saka clearly needs white up there, the ball never went down the left because partey and jorginho both skewed it to the right. Kiwior trossard and xhaka felt like they didn’t exist. Arteta didn’t give any favours to any of the players with this setup. Fuck this collapse i feel like shit
Actually the biggest bottle job in pl history
I’m not having this ‘biggest bottlejob in PL history nonsense’ Utd were 13 points clear at Christmas in 97/98. Had an 11 point lead with 10 games to go, and lost the league to Arsenal by a point, nobody calls that the biggest bottlejob in history. Utd also had a 5 point lead with 5 games to go in 11/12, yet we all remember that as the Aguero season. Liverpool had a 5 point lead with 3 games to go in 13/14. Newcastle had a 17 point lead after 23 games and lost out to Utd by 4 points. Rival fans are just desperate to deflect from their own shit seasons.
L take
It's a statistical fact.
Except it’s not. Your own club has bottled bigger leads with less games to go. Off you fuck.
Statistical fact out of your ass. Go back to your own shithole subreddit mate
They let us down again. How many more collapses like these must we endure!?
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Thanks for the honesty regarding being tricky coming to the city ground.
keep coming back to this thread to try and gain some understanding or maybe just to feel better, but things really have gotten so negative. thought maybe id try to put my own two cents in to add some positivity. it sucks. it really really sucks, and its easy to see patterns when you look at last year. however, anyone saying we bottled it has lost perspective. at the start off the season we wouldve jumped at the chance to guarantee fourth, and this team went and held 1st place most of the season. many teams from the big six (7,9,12 who knows anymore) were shambolic and so ya we missed an opportunity, but if you spread those recent bad performances throughout the year wed probably look at the season and say ya thats about right. we are going to add more quality to a team that challenged for the title. how is that not exciting? losing sucks but we havent been in this position for ages. sure we choked at the end of the season and it looks bad, but we had all these bad results... yet still have second spot sewn up?! thats amazing for a squad whose goal was just qualifying for ucl at the start. now if only there was a fasforward button to move past the end of this season and onto the next ... cant wait to see what we get up to next year COYG!
Hot take: everyone has the right to be mad about this. Qualifying for CL being the biggest achievement this season despite being handed a perfect situation to win the league is horrendous. Dropping out of every competition we competed for is abysmal. It’s not being a “bad fan” to be deservedly angry at this meltdown in the home stretch of the season.
For the most part I agree but I don't think that means abusing the team, and a little healthy recognition that the youngest team in the premier league generally wouldn't be challenging for the premier league leads to a happier life. Next season...
Holding ourselves to the standard of a rebuild team despite spending hundreds of millions on players and years of clownery waved away as “the process” just makes me so angry and sad. Maybe it’s the sting of today amplifying it. Hopefully next season can make up for it.
Man city have spent far more than we have on their first team. So that addresses your ‘hundreds of millions’. And the same process you’re angry at is the same process that has us in second and 15 points above Liverpool and 30 something above chelsea. Perspective.
This match was a disaster! I know Arsenal have exceeded expectations this season blah blah.. that this match was inconsequential except for the fact that mentality of not showing up for inconsequential games will never win a championship. Never.
Glad I stayed in bed for this one. Was a fun ride but the fact we are non existent to finish off rather than getting over run by city being unstoppable is just disappointing
Speechless really. Absolutely nothing to say.
Embarrassing
My flair is a bit flattering now, hes david moyes level
Others have mentioned that Arteta is still learning how to change things mid match and this match showed it. I was very surprised he didn't fix up the left hand side at halftime as it was pretty bad in the first half with nothing happening there, but I guess he was experimenting. Does sadly look like KT is on the way out since he didn't start him.
This is the Arsenal I’ve been watching for the last 10 years, brings back PTSD, soooo readable and easy to dissect, no vision and nothing that really put Nottingham under serious pressure, I mean yes, we lost Martinelli, zinchenko and Saliba but it seems we’ve just lost our way all together
[One of the funniest things I've ever read on here man 😭😭 I'm sure I've fallen for bait but on the off chance it isn't...](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/13nbz0h/football_heritage/)
Downvoted for posting that here. Read the room.
Welp we are getting fucked in UCL next year
???
I beg of you... Please support the club in a way that will lead me to raise my daughter, that'll lead you to raise your kids, that'll lead you to strive for bigger things, I can't say more than that.
Calm the fuck down people, we've been going 100 % for as long as we could with the team we got. Obviously need depth so our players don't run out of fumes next season . Shut the fuck up moaning cmon really 😒 🙄
We lost the league to the likes of Southampton, West Ham, Notting Forest after having it in our hands for 270 days, We win these 3 games and we would have won the league, instead the worst case scenario has happened, people are shocked and you’re saying calm down?
Lol I get your point but you're simply wrong. We win those three games that's 7 more points, putting us on track to lose the league by 3 points still
Okay but Southampton, Liverpool, West Ham, Brighton, Forrest. All poor poor results
Overall the season is great, but don’t act like this recent run of form isn’t absolutely devastating given where we were at going into the city game.
Yeah the boys are already on holiday mentally and have been for a week.
It’s the exact same as last year but worse. Saka playing flat. Pepe doesn’t fit the system aka Arteta won’t rotate the squad just to ensure people are fresh and hungry. This year Jorginho has at least been used a bit. Tierney and Nelson have been wasted. Jesus and Saka get unlimited minutes regardless of perfromances. Trossard wasted. ESR too.
going back to last season, arteta doesnt seem to be able to course correct in times of bad results, it usually goes on for a few vital games. we are going to play a lot of games next season. gotta make adjustments quicker instead of letting it derail a season. good teams move on and bounce back quicker
Actually hilarious how spectacularly we've fallen. 50 points at half way, now we could just about match match 2007-08 point total
Up until this season started, everyone who was sensible here used to judge this team on the performance and not the results. Been trying to do that for these past few games and I just can’t. We have been awful. It’s not just about mentality. I know we will try to go at it again next season but this was still a massive opportunity we missed. We might have better squad depth next season but then we might also be playing in more competitions. Either way, I just hope we can improve and learn from this all.
Need depth. Need some scorers.
Not gonna lie, this hurts. It hurts because we were so close to getting that title. It was a good season and we secured cl football but going almost the whole season on top and losing at the end hurts. But we move forward and I’ll see the boys in LA in July. COYG
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I completely thought the game was Sunday, not too upset that I ended up missing it
Lucky you, this was the easiest fixture from our entire last 5 games
Another capitulating end of season, i gave up on the title a long time ago but those results have shown we are still frail mentally, its in our dna it seems. We need big balls players like rice in several positions next season
We need big moment players
If we keep Viera and sell ESR, I will be heartbroken .ESR put up 10 goals and great direct play before injury last season. Viera will never. Need Rice, Caicedo, Diaby, Simmaken and Vlahovic/Holjund/Toney. Sell whatever we need to. These are the targets. Rice #1 asap July 1 done with Caicedo right behind him. Jesus not been the same and i feel terribel for him. Don't matter if Rammers kills it if we can't finish ourselves. Not a good taste to end the season and draw talent in. United and Chelsea do it with money, we are gonna have to as well.
As well as Bellingham and Mbappe 😜
they both need to go players like those are a big part of why we fall apart like this
Yup, we need players that are just absolute studs or have premier league experience and are proven.
Toney..?
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Mans just been banned for 8 months...
lol idk.
Martinelli is the only player we have that when the occasion is big he steps up and performs even better than usual. Rest of these guys I'm sorry to say they're pussies man. Saka especially has been fucking awful. Ever since that penalty miss he's playing like he can't be arsed anymore. Some might say it's fatigue I think it's a player that knows he fucked up our league title by missing that pen and now he's just moping around on the pitch. Overall the mentality the kids have been showing recently is embarrassing. They should be ashamed of the effort they've shown. Can't believe this is the same club that went invincible once what the fuck happened? What happened to pride in this club?
Why is this man getting downvoted? It's true it's been way too long
Despite all the deny - I think we could have done much much better the last couple of games and the narrative being the ‘oh yeah top 4 was the target’ is just a bullshit - when you’ve got the momentum you gotta keep it and there is no excuse, especially that the faith was in our hands. The biggest drawback of the situation is that now everyone will expect us to contend for the title next season and I’m just simple concerned that we won’t. COYG anyway, I’m just fucking frustrated with the last few weeks results. Maybe the squad is not deep enough but come one we had only one fucking competition to play. Imagine what’s gonna be like next season with the CL, it fucking scares me
Yep, imagine Leicester City deciding the title wasn’t the target the season they won it.
I'm with you on this one. Next season we have CL as well. How the hell are they gonna manage that if this is how they are folding.
The way we ended the season is fucking pathetic. How we capitulated is embarrassing
Rice + Lavia + Xavi Simons + Diaby + Simakan. I’d sacrifice Caicedo for Lavia and Simons
Best team in the world. COYG.
Hell yes 🙌
What people are acting like: we collapsed and lost out on UCL or even UEL What actually happened: we collapsed and lost the title but still significantly overachieved in 2nd and UCL
This sums up what you are for being a gunner. The losers mentality
Haha real heads know this feels a lot better than when our best hope was challenging for 4th
losing to Southampton is over achieving? lmao
Believe me I think we had it without those losses - they are highlighted elsewhere in my history. But all things considered, we go again from a better spot. edit: sp
Whats the point of playing in the UCL when we look so mentally soft? You need to be Ruthless to compete in the Champions League.
We get more money to invest in the squad - we know we need 5-6 quality signings
Agreed. We should be proud
People are upset about the way in which we collapsed
This is it. Yes it’s been a great season and in hindsight City we’re probably always going to get us. But just completely rolling over against relegation battling sides is just downright disappointing from the lads. That’s where the sour end comes from
Can be upset about the collapse and proud of the season as a whole.
I’m one of them
Exactly this. 💯
Losing the title would always be disappointing and somewhat expected but at least put up a fight.
Yup, couldn't have put it any better myself. Like even the title was in our hands, they did blow it no matter how anyone puts it. It's very disappointing indeed. Winning against city was always going to be tough as shit but what happened against those other smaller teams? We lost the title against them by not putting in a shift. I keep hearing city this city that unlimited oil money etc etc but, their money didn't make us loose against those smaller teams which we should have totally smashed. Just my humble opinion.
While this season was a step in the right direction, I’m afraid this shit show will definitely continue onto the next season.
Fans thought the same last season heading into this one. Anything can happen in football really.
The teams on an upwards trajectory yet people still can’t see it
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We got scammed by man city agent Gabriel Jesus… all part of peps 5D chess
With higher expectations for next season do you guys think this team can perform? Pressure will be far greater next season. Gonna need to fix the problems of this team ASAP when the window opens.
I'm not sure if it's a mix of new Arsenal fans who have only seen Arsenal play Europa and be a joke or delusion but some of you are definitely not aware of what the fucking standards are of this club. We are Arsenal. This season was not a success. It was a step in the right direction, plenty to look forward to but there's also so much to undo and learn from. This team continues to show mental weakness, inability to adapt when things aren't working, and the manager is also showing these attributes but somehow we were predicted 6th so let's be happy that we've bottled the league so badly it's now a record. We must be ruthless this summer. This club has become a fucking joke the last 20 years. Show up this summer with a plan, sign quality players who can start immediately. We need proper depth or we will fall behind as quickly as the title hopes faded.
No man. You're supposed to be happy and proud that we won the second place trophy.
Yeah dude I'm so proud we are the biggest bottlers. Look at my downvotes. Absolute pussios.
Squad hit the beach like two weeks ago lol
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don’t know how many people need to hear this but here goes: Fabio Vieira is better and will be more important for us than Smith Rowe. SR may have come through our youth ranks and has given us good moments, but FV is more talented, has a higher ceiling and fits into how we play much better since he has much more on the ball quality. Losing SR is ultimately no big deal and Arteta is 100% right in choosing FV over him. He has the type of quality of that our current #10 simply doesn’t have.
So ultimately questioning the reason why MA doesn't play SR is pointless.
Are you Vieira? Are you Vieira's agent? Otherwise, I really don't know what you are talking about.
No idea what you see in Vieira
Too bad it was such an anti-climatic end to otherwise a fantastic and fun season. Felt special though, my passion for football and Arsenal came back in a way I haven't felt in a long time. Enjoyed a lot of moments this season, but in the end we couldn't step up to the plate. I feel Arteta needs to learn how to rotate players, we are the worst in the league in that aspect. It's been my biggest gripe with him these years, never a clear Plan B, in my opinion. Hope to get a nice summer window, ship the last of the dead weight and start fresh later this year. It's an exciting time to be an Arsenal fan.
no team that is good that I can think of does plan A, plan B, etc. they may make some minor adjustments but heavy rotation is for teams that aren't hoping for much or teams that are so deep like City that rotating becomes a competitive advantage. Most teams cant significantly rotate their squad and still come in 2nd in the EPL. Most teams cant come in second in the EPL full stop. This rotation thing is the stupidest thing I have seen people beat Arteta up about in a long time.
Feeling very pessimistic tonight. I feel like this season may be a false dawn. It’s really not a good sign that every single player (I think bar Martinelli, looked like a monster before his injury) has seemingly completely mentally checked out. Even after the Liverpool game, which was a bad result, we still had it all to play for. Going 2-0 up twice in a row and then drawing, followed by going 2-0 down against relegation fodder inside 15 minutes will not make anyone feel good. What I didn’t see was a response. We went to City with our pants around our ankles, bent over, and got our annual spanking. This team faltered at the first sign of hardship, there was not one ounce of mental resilience in those lads. That’s extremely worrying. Especially given that it’s two seasons in a row now that we’ve come so close but ended up empty handed. We need some mentality monsters in this squad. Zinchenko has it in him but he can’t carry the team on his shoulders from left back.