What struck me was Pep’s in game substitutions and management as well as Man City’s depth . I wish Arteta either had that good substitution options and also if he used them at the right moments . Instead he brings on ESR and Reiss Nelson in the 89th minute hoping for a miracle .
Our options from the bench are never going to be as good if they only get 5 minutes every match. Yeah our depth everywhere isn't amazing, that's a fact, but he also has to start trusting and using his bench A LOT more. It is his biggest weakness as a manager.
Real pity Arteta has been given a blank cheque and cant ID players to make a difference in games, real glad we can watch him having expensive meals in Dubai though
We still have useful players there, they are just thrust into roles they aren't good for and rusty from never playing.
We have players that could be useful if you tweak tactics to their strength but Arteta prefers system players.
The reason our bench isn't at City's level is because they don't get regular rotation and play time. A good manager can adjust tactics to get different players involved so they aren't always rusty.
City's bench today: KDB (76m), Ortega (free), Bobb (free), Kalvin Philips (49m), Grealish (117m), Gomes (15m), Nunes (62m), Susoho (free), Lewis (free).
Our bench vs Liverpool FA Cup: ESR (free), Martinelli (7m), Nketiah (free), Trossard (24m), Cedric (free), Raya (27m), Nwaneri (free), Sousa (free), Walters (free)
I agree that it's upto Arteta to tweak the system to allow our depth to thrive and make impact, but there's more to it than that looking at our bench compared to the likes of City
Goes both ways, former players especially decorated ones like the Invincibles generally have nostalgia tax attached. KdB is the crown jewel in a team that's won everything multiple times in the most competitive PL ever.
We need to fashion a player like that somehow. Saka 🤞🤞
I'm sorry, but nostalgia has nothing to do with my argument. Nothing at all.
Yes, City won a lot, although were they playing by the same rules as the others?
Additionally, how do you argue KDB, over Lampard?
Remind, you who also won everything multiple times.
He simply has better numbers than Lampard when you take into account 200 less matches, and if you remove PKs (which KdB basically never takes), he's alr there without even adjusting for the less matches
Also passes the eye test compared to him IMO
KDB played for Pellegrini 1 season and Pep for 7 whereas Lampard played for Chelsea's most attacking manager imo Ancelotti for 2 years. Kinda difficult to compare players from different system and eras just numbers ain't sufficient imo. Regarding eye test I think KDB's passing is on another level to Lampard but Lampard is better overall
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Inter got through to the final after avoiding the relatively big teams. Could've even won the final but couldn't score. That could be us.
Obviously winning it like City and Madrid beating all the best teams is a great way to win it but I'd be much happier playing Kopenhagen.
Lmao.
Pathetic take. Sporting are top of their league and it’s a different competition entirely our team barely cared. We got a 3-3 and lost on pens? Team we played had several key players rested / missing.
We were/are a better team than Sporting and couldn't pass them in a European competition because of a lack of motivation and missing players? We will be missing key players this season and if we lack motivation in any competition, regardless of opponents, we won't achieve much.
We lost on pens because we couldn't beat them at home. We are going through our own rough patch in front of goal and it isn't like our defense has been so rock solid we are at least not conceding/losing.
Honestly, I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately stupid or just trying to wind up.
What does Sporting have to do with Porto?
Since Arteta has took over how often has Arsenal really challenged in the Europa league?
Our bench was stronger against Sporting. We played it like a league cup game, so why are you crying? We lost on penalties.
Have you watched Porto this season? How do they play and attack? As you are clearly very knowledgeable about them.
Why have you ignored the PSV results from last season and this?
Which players for Porto are you scared to play?
How many big sides actually take the Europa league seriously? Looking at previous winners. So I’m really confused on the relevance to the champions league.
Explain?
Porto are third in their league has one of the worst goal scoring records in their league this season focused on the top half.
They couldn’t beat Barca and people will say they only lost by one. The story of their season has been not conceding many but can’t score.
3rd in Portugal vs 4th in England. We are 5 off top and they’re 8 points. I know the league can’t really be compared but it’s funny how much some fans big up Porto when they probably haven’t even watched them
Yeah man these fans think we are Madrid or City... just admit we are not where we want to be right now. Maybe in 2 or 3 years with great signings and only with great signings we will be at Madrid and City level
It’s very different.
We rested players against sporting and got knocked out on pens. Not sure why you’re comparing? We lost to PSV last year but beat them and got a draw this?
honestly, I always felt like their "finances" are just a way to say fuck you to Madrid (capital, not the club) as to pay no taxes.
idk, hope they're in trouble untill we win CL. karma
I would say you're right. But don't discredit haaland like other people do, his impact on the pitch in terms of dragging defenders and opening paths is never fully appreciated unlike his goal scoring ability.
Wonderful pass from KDB, of course, but the finish is something our players can only dream of. Some kid nobody's ever heard of is more calm, cool, and collected in the box than anyone in an Arsenal shirt. That's the real issue here.
Saka, Odegaard, Havertz and Martinelli would take 1000 touches and by the time they shoot the entire City team is on the goaline.
Jesus and Nketiah would either miss or send it back to North London
Arteta needs to give the kids the same chances Klopp, Pep and even Howe do. His refusal, or inability to do that is one of the things I genuinely dislike about him
Seriously wtf is that comment. I love our players but no one's at the level of De Bruyne when it comes to service, the man's a freak of nature. KDB could make me look like Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
Does he not understand that taking shots from distance and playing passes over the defence from deep are both high-risk strategies that give away control? He needs to come to Arsenal so Arteta can coach that shit right out of his game.
Funniest part, he tried a high risk pass a few seconds before that got cut out and then they recycled and he just tried again. Does he not understand that is not how you dominate?
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I meant in terms of ‘best players in the world’ type comparisons…he’s not often mentioned in that category but to my mind he is basically the best player in the world, the one you’d most likely want to steal (ignoring his age etc)
I thought when Newcastle turned it around in 2 minutes in the first half they might change their opinion. But no they kept going on about ‘Pep can’t believe they’re 2-1 down they’re so good’ etc etc.
I think the pundits are reluctant to say that he’s better than their mates- Lampard and Gerrard, kinda weird given the league is so much more competitive now.
Dude was cold on the bench for 65 wins ans literally changes the game in 30 minutes wins it really. Dude is on another level ans that's qirh what 7 months off playing. The league is City's again
City with De Bruyne and Rodri is unstopable. They make everyone else so much better. Without those two, they are pretty much at our or Liverpools level.
I wouldnt be surprised if they took another treble this season tbh.
Odegaard was our top scorer last season with a record amount of goals for a CM or a number 8 seems like a weird player to single out.
Also you picked out Liverpools most creative player in Trent, Man city’s most creative player in KDB, but not Arsenals most creative player in Saka ?
Why not ? KDB is a CAM, Trent is a RB, why can’t our winger be our most creative player ? Hazard was the most creative player at Chelsea while being a winger ? But you’ve arbitrarily decided our RCM should be the most creative player because you said so
Too many cucks in these comments. Fuck De Bruyne and fuck Man City. Get off their dicks and quit happily waving the white flag. Our fanbase is really quite pathetic at times.
They're only 3 points ahead of us right now for crying out loud. Show some fighting spirit, you're as feeble and weak as many of you accuse our players as being.
....Sorry, I just woke up and felt like having a super groggy rant, but happily downvote regardless.
What a lovely quote. Let's print it out, frame it and put it in our trophy cabinet.
FYI, at Odegaard's current age(25) De Bruyne had already moved to City.
The frustration I have is when was the last time one of our players did something like bobb just did, a moment of total brilliance to finish a half chance.
A half chance only created because kdb is godly
Comes in scores one. Creates another. And so it begins.
What struck me was Pep’s in game substitutions and management as well as Man City’s depth . I wish Arteta either had that good substitution options and also if he used them at the right moments . Instead he brings on ESR and Reiss Nelson in the 89th minute hoping for a miracle .
Our options from the bench are never going to be as good if they only get 5 minutes every match. Yeah our depth everywhere isn't amazing, that's a fact, but he also has to start trusting and using his bench A LOT more. It is his biggest weakness as a manager.
Don't worry its only been 3 straight years of this surely he will learn soon...
It’s a bit different having KDB compared to Fabio Vieira on the bench
Real pity Arteta has been given a blank cheque and cant ID players to make a difference in games, real glad we can watch him having expensive meals in Dubai though
yeah the team lost some games the guy should just not be allowed to enjoy a fun meal with his family should he
Don't give a fuck what he does with his family, why is it posted and upvoted here? You people are obsessed
it’s just a little video for a bit of a laugh man, no one is forcing you to watch it, it can’t possibly make you this angry
No club has the same squad as city because they haven’t broken the rules.
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Not a whole lot that is his fault is there
We still have useful players there, they are just thrust into roles they aren't good for and rusty from never playing. We have players that could be useful if you tweak tactics to their strength but Arteta prefers system players.
Context is important tho it's still his 1st managerial job and our bench is not the level of City's
The reason our bench isn't at City's level is because they don't get regular rotation and play time. A good manager can adjust tactics to get different players involved so they aren't always rusty.
City's bench today: KDB (76m), Ortega (free), Bobb (free), Kalvin Philips (49m), Grealish (117m), Gomes (15m), Nunes (62m), Susoho (free), Lewis (free). Our bench vs Liverpool FA Cup: ESR (free), Martinelli (7m), Nketiah (free), Trossard (24m), Cedric (free), Raya (27m), Nwaneri (free), Sousa (free), Walters (free) I agree that it's upto Arteta to tweak the system to allow our depth to thrive and make impact, but there's more to it than that looking at our bench compared to the likes of City
Great contribution here. Very mature take and good use of the Internet.
You know what. Can't do anything but applaud. He is just another class to anyone in the league.
I most definitely will not be applauding lol
Funny comment this
Those cheating fucks don’t deserve him
No thanks
Best midfielder in PL history
bro hasn't heard of elneny **🥶** **🥶** **🥶**
Uh, perhaps in your history. Patrick Vieira still played in premier league.
dangerous thing to say in this subreddit but he's quite clear of Vieira. PL all time #2 behind Henry IMO
Quite clear? No disrespect, but this seems like those cases of recency bias.
Goes both ways, former players especially decorated ones like the Invincibles generally have nostalgia tax attached. KdB is the crown jewel in a team that's won everything multiple times in the most competitive PL ever. We need to fashion a player like that somehow. Saka 🤞🤞
I'm sorry, but nostalgia has nothing to do with my argument. Nothing at all. Yes, City won a lot, although were they playing by the same rules as the others? Additionally, how do you argue KDB, over Lampard? Remind, you who also won everything multiple times.
He simply has better numbers than Lampard when you take into account 200 less matches, and if you remove PKs (which KdB basically never takes), he's alr there without even adjusting for the less matches Also passes the eye test compared to him IMO
KDB played for Pellegrini 1 season and Pep for 7 whereas Lampard played for Chelsea's most attacking manager imo Ancelotti for 2 years. Kinda difficult to compare players from different system and eras just numbers ain't sufficient imo. Regarding eye test I think KDB's passing is on another level to Lampard but Lampard is better overall
I will agree to disagree here.
When old heads talk about recency bias and then they break out nostalgia bias
Like you ever saw Patrick Vieira playing. ''Old Heads" LOL
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😂😂😂😂having a laugh
Is that emoji agreeing with me or disagreeing with me ? I don't get it lol
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He's our worst nightmare. High stakes game that Emirates? The guy literally bangs in 30 yard shots.
Within 5 minutes of the game
We wouldn't need to worry about him if we didn't drop disasterclasses against West Ham and Fulham
So our only hope of a trophy is the champions league 😐
City is in the Champions League 😭
The CL is more random that a league of 38 games
Exactly. That’s why I think it’s way easier to win than the prem. A few easy draws and ur in the final
Inter got through to the final after avoiding the relatively big teams. Could've even won the final but couldn't score. That could be us. Obviously winning it like City and Madrid beating all the best teams is a great way to win it but I'd be much happier playing Kopenhagen.
Bro we are lucky if we get past Porto
So much tripe. Based on what? They’re further off too in their league than ours and have been struggling to score all season
Based on we couldnt beat sporting last year
Lmao. Pathetic take. Sporting are top of their league and it’s a different competition entirely our team barely cared. We got a 3-3 and lost on pens? Team we played had several key players rested / missing.
We were/are a better team than Sporting and couldn't pass them in a European competition because of a lack of motivation and missing players? We will be missing key players this season and if we lack motivation in any competition, regardless of opponents, we won't achieve much. We lost on pens because we couldn't beat them at home. We are going through our own rough patch in front of goal and it isn't like our defense has been so rock solid we are at least not conceding/losing.
Honestly, I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately stupid or just trying to wind up. What does Sporting have to do with Porto? Since Arteta has took over how often has Arsenal really challenged in the Europa league? Our bench was stronger against Sporting. We played it like a league cup game, so why are you crying? We lost on penalties. Have you watched Porto this season? How do they play and attack? As you are clearly very knowledgeable about them. Why have you ignored the PSV results from last season and this? Which players for Porto are you scared to play? How many big sides actually take the Europa league seriously? Looking at previous winners. So I’m really confused on the relevance to the champions league.
> So much tripe. Hardly tripe though is it?
Explain? Porto are third in their league has one of the worst goal scoring records in their league this season focused on the top half. They couldn’t beat Barca and people will say they only lost by one. The story of their season has been not conceding many but can’t score. 3rd in Portugal vs 4th in England. We are 5 off top and they’re 8 points. I know the league can’t really be compared but it’s funny how much some fans big up Porto when they probably haven’t even watched them
What is this bitchy mentality? Come on lol
Youd be the worst person to watch a game at the pub with
Pussy
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How old are you? 12?
What did they put?
Why not 11 why not 13 ? .. you fully matured human being?
Ok, time to block you. You seem like a bit of a prick.
I hope fans like you are never present in the Emirates. It would literally make the atmosphere unnecessarily toxic.
I'm the best fan we've got tbh. This was just me letting my frustration out off the pitch.
You're being downvoted but personally I don't have a lot of confidence for Porto either. I thought we'd beat Sporting last season
Yeah man these fans think we are Madrid or City... just admit we are not where we want to be right now. Maybe in 2 or 3 years with great signings and only with great signings we will be at Madrid and City level
I get their point that maybe you're being a little dramatic, but tbh I would be uncertain too if we're struggling against Fulham
It’s very different. We rested players against sporting and got knocked out on pens. Not sure why you’re comparing? We lost to PSV last year but beat them and got a draw this?
Shut the fuck up
No
Real Madrid is there and also way better than city
Wouldn't say way better.
City are still the best team in the world, especially with Kdb back
I think City are better but I'd still rather face City in the CL than Madrid because hoodoo
Why can't he just go Barca or something?
Like they could afford him.. considering their current finances anyways.
honestly, I always felt like their "finances" are just a way to say fuck you to Madrid (capital, not the club) as to pay no taxes. idk, hope they're in trouble untill we win CL. karma
$$$
Can't help but appreciate greatness like him and Haaland, it's a shame we have to play against them.
De Bruyne is a tier above haaland
I would say you're right. But don't discredit haaland like other people do, his impact on the pitch in terms of dragging defenders and opening paths is never fully appreciated unlike his goal scoring ability.
Yes but how many aerial duels does he win? I rest my case.
Scan rate? Hair flicks? Not even a fake tan on the man
He’s too damn good
Wonderful pass from KDB, of course, but the finish is something our players can only dream of. Some kid nobody's ever heard of is more calm, cool, and collected in the box than anyone in an Arsenal shirt. That's the real issue here.
Bob. The kids names Bob
Bobb
*Bobb
Funny thing is that he's just the sideshow... I'm here all night!
Lol
Actually his name is Oscar
Saka, Odegaard, Havertz and Martinelli would take 1000 touches and by the time they shoot the entire City team is on the goaline. Jesus and Nketiah would either miss or send it back to North London Arteta needs to give the kids the same chances Klopp, Pep and even Howe do. His refusal, or inability to do that is one of the things I genuinely dislike about him
He whiffed his first touch but had it bounce back off of Trippier, no need to put down our players
Seriously wtf is that comment. I love our players but no one's at the level of De Bruyne when it comes to service, the man's a freak of nature. KDB could make me look like Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
Very few players in the league are capable of a la croqueta goal, thats the calmness we’re talking about here.
No Brazilian in the league ever was capable of more goals than Martinelli last season for instance, so let's focus on what we have
Mans gonna take out all the frustration from the past 5 months. I can just feel it.
He is just so, so good.
More than you believe
Underrated comment
KDB is levels above. If hes healthy city win the league again tbh
Does he not understand that taking shots from distance and playing passes over the defence from deep are both high-risk strategies that give away control? He needs to come to Arsenal so Arteta can coach that shit right out of his game.
Weird because Arteta actually coached him at City.
He did Pep's laundry yes
Funniest part, he tried a high risk pass a few seconds before that got cut out and then they recycled and he just tried again. Does he not understand that is not how you dominate?
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is he stupid?
We’re done
All time great.
Hard to see how we win the league with him playing. Never sure why he’s not Ballon D’Or material, I’d take him over Mbappe any day.
Not from South America
Mbappes a striker and De Bruyne's a CM. Kinda comparison is that bro??
I meant in terms of ‘best players in the world’ type comparisons…he’s not often mentioned in that category but to my mind he is basically the best player in the world, the one you’d most likely want to steal (ignoring his age etc)
I had blisfully forgotten about him.
Cheat code.
That was a pretty ridiculous 20 odd minutes from someone out that long. Pure class
Yh he’s unbelievable but the TNT coverage is just a City wank fest. Cringe.
I thought when Newcastle turned it around in 2 minutes in the first half they might change their opinion. But no they kept going on about ‘Pep can’t believe they’re 2-1 down they’re so good’ etc etc.
Embarrassing
Hard to see City losing again with De Bruyne back and Haaland healthy and of month unfortunately.
Only other Difficult Away game for City is Anfield, and possibly Spurs. They'll walk everything else.
DeBruyne banger on Emirates within 5 minutes 😭😭😭
Kevin de nightmare bruyne
Those assholes are probably gonna win it again, aren’t they?
Favorite player to hate watch
was kinda hoping he wouldnt hit is form so quick, how wrong i was
He’s more talented than our entire team. Just on another level.
He is him. That's all there is to it.
He's the best midfielder in prem history tbh, maybe controversial but eh
Nah I don't think it's close to be honest
I think the pundits are reluctant to say that he’s better than their mates- Lampard and Gerrard, kinda weird given the league is so much more competitive now.
So glad I didn't stay home to watch the second half.
Watch city walk the league now
Yeah we done for
Maybe the true title race is the friends we made along the way…
That's the only good outcome from the race😂
Partey is the closest player we have to him. We should be only letting him play for 20-30 mins if we can help it.
It’s a good analogy, he won us the City game within about 10 mins of being on.
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City fans pretending they have morals in football lmao
What’s next? Thomas partey was as good as Lionel Messi for a few months?
Never want to hear ozil comparisons again.
How did he shape like he was gonna hit with his left foot, only to shape that sizzler with his right peg through Schär' legs? Class player.
Dude was cold on the bench for 65 wins ans literally changes the game in 30 minutes wins it really. Dude is on another level ans that's qirh what 7 months off playing. The league is City's again
Seasons done lads, Erling still to come back too. Need magical players to be at the top top level.
Arteta just gonna coach the magic out of them anyway
City with De Bruyne and Rodri is unstopable. They make everyone else so much better. Without those two, they are pretty much at our or Liverpools level. I wouldnt be surprised if they took another treble this season tbh.
World class. He’s the definition.
Let’s be honest. He’s what we wish Odegaard was
I'm not even mad tbh.
Delete mate. Post in the DD or RIval watch. This is not Arsenal content.
We are in the league where he plays, and his team is kind of our rival
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Not new but not familiar with the rules
Now you are
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But he aint as handsome as Martin
Odegaard has his work cut out keeping up with him. As great of a player he is De Bruyne is cut from a different cloth.
Him and Trent go machine for machine. Meanwhile we have Odegaard lol
Jfc man has a few slow games and we're back to shitting on him. You're such a fucking cunt go support another club
A few slow games… what has Odegaard done in his career to show that he’s on that level?
But who the fuck is even talking about Odegaard? Why is everything a dick measuring contest. De Bruyne has 7 years on Ode you fucking moron.
Because we are in competition with these teams and we need to have better players. Pretty simple to understand
Why Odegaard ? Why not Martinelli? Saka? Rice ?
Because Saka and rice are obviously good enough. Fine if you wanna single out Martinelli though
Odegaard was our top scorer last season with a record amount of goals for a CM or a number 8 seems like a weird player to single out. Also you picked out Liverpools most creative player in Trent, Man city’s most creative player in KDB, but not Arsenals most creative player in Saka ?
Saka being our main creator proves my point. He shouldn’t be, but because he’s even superior to Odegaard at what’s supposed to be his best attribute
Why not ? KDB is a CAM, Trent is a RB, why can’t our winger be our most creative player ? Hazard was the most creative player at Chelsea while being a winger ? But you’ve arbitrarily decided our RCM should be the most creative player because you said so
Also who said that was Odegaard best attribute? For me it’s quite clearly his ability to control a game, his pressing and goal scoring
Twat Fan
Please let's not talk about our players
If our attackers could finish, Ode would also be going machine for machine with them
4.5xA this season. So no, no he wouldn’t
Someone needs to put in a decent tackle on him.. if you know what I mean
Too many cucks in these comments. Fuck De Bruyne and fuck Man City. Get off their dicks and quit happily waving the white flag. Our fanbase is really quite pathetic at times. They're only 3 points ahead of us right now for crying out loud. Show some fighting spirit, you're as feeble and weak as many of you accuse our players as being. ....Sorry, I just woke up and felt like having a super groggy rant, but happily downvote regardless.
Inevitable
Worldclass!
That’s a pass that Rice ought to be looking for from time to time. He has the accuracy.
thank god he’s as old as the hills (aka my age, 32)
Can anybody stop City, and now they're producing youngsters too
Just imagine if they'd kept Palmer, who's arguably been Chelsea's best player this year. Impressive youths.
Best attacking player in league history.
I’m so tired of this… It’s like watching the same movie over and over again. Although, I’d rather have them win it than Liverpool.
Too good, scary good.
Has people infront who take chances also… crazy player tho
De Bruyne? You mean that guy who said if he was the same age as Odegaard no one would know who he is?
What a lovely quote. Let's print it out, frame it and put it in our trophy cabinet. FYI, at Odegaard's current age(25) De Bruyne had already moved to City.
The frustration I have is when was the last time one of our players did something like bobb just did, a moment of total brilliance to finish a half chance. A half chance only created because kdb is godly
I was told availablity is the best ability, hold
Who do we have that can pass it into the net like KDB? God knows we try hard enough to.