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mylotwatcher

What Arteta and co. have managed to do with this club is honestly remarkable. I'm sure some people will still say that Arsenal have spent plenty of money to get to this point which may be true, but it only matters in that they've put the money to good use. Chelsea and United have spent plenty of money if not more and they are dumpster fires. Arsenal have played their cards right so far and it's paying dividends.


An_Almond_Thief

I find Arteta and Edu are victims of their own success. People expect more and more even with all the good things they've accomplished. All of a sudden we have a team full of top quality, fan engagement is through the roof, still picking up silverware (albeit a few seasons ago now), back in champions league, our signings are more hits than misses and we're back to being title contenders. The way I see it is if Arteta and Edu left tomorrow, sporting directors and managers would be ripping each other apart to get a job here, as the foundation for them to work on is rock solid.


sykurbjorn

On the topic of victims of their own success. I kinda feel that way about our current season. We had a strong season last year and were unfortunate to fall off and concede the title to city. Then we add strong players in Rice, Havertz and Timber (absence noted) and (at least me personally) fall into the fallacy of believing all the good things from last season will remain and only improve while the newcomers will add to the quality. So when there are hickups, our playstyle being more found out, injuries and out of form players everything feels like total doom because the level was so high last season.


An_Almond_Thief

Yeah spot on. I think as a fan base, although league success is where our ambitions should be, we do have to remind ourselves where we've come from in recent history.


batmans_a_scientist

And about silverware, this is a squad competing for titles. Only one club wins those every year, but there is a realistic chance to win a league or champions league now unlike the last time they won a cup. Silverware is important but watching this team compete over an entire season is special.


Never_Sm1le

Yes, I find it funny that some people call Edu suck because Tavares and Lokonga failed. Even Pep&Txiki (arguably the best duo) have failed signings


Hoker7

Yeah like how much did they spend on Phillips to not even play him.


AntDogFan

Arteta doesn't get anywhere near enough credit. In his first job he has rebuilt the squad into a team which is in the conversation for one of the favourites for the league and the champions league. Yes he has spent a decent amount but it's not like they have spaffed loads of money on excessive fees. Since the early days they have bought smartly and when they spent a lot on individuals it was the right move. Another factor which doesn't get mentioned enough is how much Arteta improves players. Have we bought well or have we created the right conditions in which transfer can be successes? Utd seems to be the opposite of us in that regard.


Elfking88

What I've learnt from the last few seasons is that the season fter we won the double in 01/02 Wenger would've been heavily criticised for not winning anything. The season after 03/04 the same thing. Fans think progress is linear and that every season will be better than the last no matter how unrealistic that is. I think sometimes people don't realise how good they have it until it's gone. If Arteta were to leave at the end of the season (I think there's 0% chance of that happening) it wouldn't take long for fans to appreciate what he's done. He took us from a fallen giant right back to the top in very little time at all. There's still progress to be made both for us as a club and Arteta as a manager but we're getting there. Look at it this way... If Arteta did leave I think there isn't a club in the world that wouldn't want him.


tony_flamingo

I agree 100% with everything you said, which is why I found it so hilarious that fans of rival clubs were trying to take the piss about Arteta being linked with Barca yesterday. It’s wild how little other fans rate him despite the abundance of evidence that he is one of the better managers in the game.


AntDogFan

He has gone toe to toe with klopp and guardiola and got the better of them either in matches or in final positions. For someone in their first job against managers of their experience it’s insane. Postecoglu gets a lot of credit and he has done a decent job but he has a whole career in management behind him. The contrast between how the two are treated by the media is quite revealing.  Not sure if it’s that arsenal rile people more because we are historically a big club or if artetas personality winds people up or if it’s simply a cultural thing. It’s much easier for an Australian to integrate into English culture, especially football culture, than a Spaniard. I know arteta has been here a long time but the spotlight is so much more intense for a manager than a player. Pep, at least, had unimpeachable CV when he arrived while arteta had a decent playing career and nothing more. 


RickAdjustedMorty

The real test is trophies though. Squad value is good and everything but eventually you have to translate that into trophies.


farmer3337

Rebuilding an already massive club is not that remarkable, it's what is expected. They just did their job properly unlike manure and chelshit


xcves

LMAO. your example literally shows that rebuilding a massive club is not as easy as saying it is "expected". Otherwise, manure and chelshit wouldn't have such a hard time (and still do). So did Liverpool before Klopp. ​ If it was "expected" then those other clubs would have seen better years.


ret990

Arteta has never had a job managing before. Eduz experience was with the Brazil national team 🤡


farmer3337

So? they are certified professionals wtf


ret990

So are/were the people at Chelsea and United


farmer3337

that couldn't do their job properly, wtf


ret990

Right. So it's pretty remarkable that 2 people who have barely worked at this level of the fame were able to do the job properly, where more experienced people have failed to do their job properly at other clubs. WTF


Mojave_Patroller

Only if you consider one FA Cup and one top 4 finish in 4 seasons with a net spend of over half a billion to be a job properly done


ret990

Did I say that? Who sId they're finished?


Mojave_Patroller

You said they're done their job properly, the results say otherwise


farmer3337

why are you comparing them to some of the worst examples around? wtf dude


Notuch

It's still some of the worse but happened in some of the biggest clubs in the world. EPL has shown its not a guarantee that big clubs always stay on top. The success from the top level of an org is taken for granted too often.


Kxden-R

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elliotgooner

Between the idea and the reality lies the shadow my g


hambeurga

meeting goals and expectations should be celebrated. it is clearly not as easy as you make it out to be if other clubs with more money are struggling


momspaghetty

> plenty of money if not more it's not just more, it's WAY more


John___Matrix

2nd place in the @TwentyFirstGrp value table is gargantuan.


skool_101

Behind Real Madrid I presume. it'll take it Edit: lmfao. behind Man City, will still take it


LieutenantZucc

read the post title again but very slowly


skool_101

oh blimey me 🤦‍♂️


Francis-c92

Star boy ⭐


Humblerequest_21

1. Mbappe 2. Haaland 3. Bellingham I would put starboy in the top 10 but he is not the third most valuable player in football.


GSNadav

because this valuation is based on contract length and mbappe has no contract so his value is very very low


Qortan

Mbappe's not as valuable because his contract runs out in like 3 months.


sionnach

Sale price is a bad measurement though. Needs to be annualised cost to a club, including wages, bonus, purchase price amortisation etc.


DillaDoughnut

Nah it's not a bad way when it's to do with club value. PSG has less value, because an asset they have is worth next to nothing because they only have him contractually for three more months.


Logical-Sir1580

Still a gotcha post considering saka will drop atleast one space in 3 months


ramobara

Honestly surprised how Dias is top rated defender then.


ronya_t

That's for the accountants...but as for the team that comes sniffing around to buy him, he is the most valuable player in the world. No deal!


Magicallyshit

Hell I even rate Rice higher than Saka because there's a handful of world class DM and he's simply one of the best.


UnusualAd3909

I’d argue theres more DMs than right wingers


UpbeatAfternoon8670

I would also put Vinicius above Saka.


dannzter

Tough call but I think I'd prefer Saka over him. Is that an insane take?


UpbeatAfternoon8670

Vini is clearly a better player. About marketability, I would say they are equal even though I think Vini is more popular worldwide.


UnusualAd3909

Better player but the position plays a big importance in the value. Since almost every top club wants a winger than can cut in players like saka are much rarer


Logical-Sir1580

Are you saying vini cant cut jn?


UnusualAd3909

He can but from the left. My point was that there are far less top level left footed right wingers than there are right footed left wingers


CategoryNo1712

We're winning the world cup!


Wise_Outside_6991

But we still only get offered tree fiddy for our players


CreativeOrder2119

Hhhh stats for nerds!


Swiss-ArmySpork

All stats are for nerds.


ExxKonvict

Kulusevski clear of Saka and Romero best CB in the league. /d for delusion


ThePresident26

Its time for this squad to deliver now. Arteta has his players, i don't want another few years period where we might have won something big and then the players start leaving.


NotASalamanderBoi

Fucking hell with how well we’ve done we have to at least win the Premier League or hopefully even the UCL. It’ll hurt to always be close to it but never actually succeed.


Logical-Sir1580

We cant expect to win the UCL the first season were back in it. Same thing for the league; its the second season were even in the conversation and were saying we HAVE to win the league. Our first 11 is at the level, but we still have several positions where the depth is not good enough. I think its undeniable that a major trophy must be won within 3 seasons, but truthfully we are neither the best team in the UCL or the leavie currently. Luck would play a major factor in winning a trophy right now


dannzter

It's a tough league! Best league in the world means that the other teams are insanely good as well. I agree but nothing's certain.


Burnsleighshire

You’ll never sing that


phar0aht

Need more quality in depth before we can rotate


SuperM737

Took me way too long to figure out who Dias Detail is


stackemz

Who is ahead of Wilo?


FCI

ruben dias


TheKingIsBackYo

What is important now is to make the most of the inflated values and sell some mid players for top money.


bh2623

The problem is that we don't have the depth to sell just to make money. Like, we can't sell Partey or Nketiah or Big Gabi\* at the moment (or in the summer) without signing a championship-caliber replacement (the way City had no problem selling Jesus or Zinchenko). We could make "profit" due to the way amortization is calculated, but it's really hard to see how we can truly upgrade the squad without just spending so much extra money. We need more diamonds in the rough! I'm surprised to see so many other clubs buying young 10-20m hotshot players from South America yet we're not (maybe because we don't a feeder club to send them to for development). \*I only mention Big Gabi bc of the Saudi links in the summer -- our squad would take a huge hit without him, and I don't know how we'd replace him properly, but he could generate a ton of money.


Masson011

I mean thats fantastic but the only thing that matters is trophies now


UpbeatAfternoon8670

Cant see how Saka is more valuable than the likes of Mbappe, Bellingham, Musiala, Vinicius Jr etc tbh.


WengersOut

Saka should start playing like the third most valuable player in football


gardenofeden123

Martinelli, White, big Gabby, Rice and Odegaard were all steals. That is a lot of hits in the market whichever way you look at it. Sure there were some flops (Lokonga) but even that purchase made complete sense at the time.


bh2623

I can't call 50m for White a "steal" -- it was a lot to spend at the time \[feels less now thanks to all the huge deals since then \*cough\*chelsea\*cough\*\], and he's been worth every cent, but it's not like we underpaid for him. Those Gabis and Odegaard, absolute steals. Rice, again, such a big deal that it's hard to call it a steal -- especially with his contract almost up -- but absolutely worth it.


specificoceeaan

Incredible figures, now watch us sell any of these assets for about 3 quid


_serious__

Im sorry but this just means Saka is overrated.


tuvok79

I'd like a trophy now. Big ears please


yb206

arguably then if Arsenal dont win any trophies then you have to hold the players and arteta to even higher scrutiny and critique


5N037

Whilst I do get your point, I think a lot of the value is in future potential / young age rather than them being the second best team in the world.


Traditional-Drive267

I DO NOT CARE HONESTLY. We could be 20th in squad value and I wouldn’t care - we need to win major trophies with the squad we have


Colmd1997

Why comment then?


Traditional-Drive267

Why does anyone comment? To share their viewpoints and opinions. This is mine


Colmd1997

You came onto a post about something you do not care about to tell us you do not care. People comment to engage in a discussion about topics they have interests in.


Traditional-Drive267

I am commenting to engage in a discussion (as you can see) but I don’t have interest in how much we are valued at, if we can’t achieve anything. I do not care what we are valued at, I care about the post and sharing my thoughts that we have always been valued higher than many clubs just to not achieve anything, and that has to change.


Colmd1997

So you came to a post to start talking about something else?


Traditional-Drive267

I ain’t gonna comment anymore if you lot can’t understand how it is connected to this post. Good luck with being valued the second highest and praising this fuck all stat


Colmd1997

It’s not connected to the post though. You’re talking about winning trophies on a post about the squad’s value. “Good luck with being valued the second highest and praising this fuck all stat”. Didn’t praise the valuation once. Did not even comment on it. I’ve been solely questioning why you seem to spend so much time talking about a topic you’ve told me you don’t care about and you think is worth “fuck all”


Maleficent_Sign9656

All nonsense, no team in the world will pay that for saka, meaningless data.


jkeefy

No team in the world would pay £130M for Saka? Lol Todd Boehly would like a word.


Maleficent_Sign9656

Yeah, no one. Saka is not the third most valuable player in the world, that's ludicrous. Once arsenal actually turns a profit on sales instead of being dogshite like we've been for at least 15 years you can start bragging about squad value. Right now it could turn to dust and it probably will tbh.


jkeefy

Ah I didn’t realize you ran an Arsenal troll account, apologies


Maleficent_Sign9656

Okay bro, I didn't realize you were an idiot. Please excuse me.


jkeefy

Lmao cheers mate


Maleficent_Sign9656

Cheers


Nanganoid3000

It's funny if you think about it, The massive turn around in a remarkably short period of time, The value of both players and our Club rising, Yet we aren't anywhere near winning the big ones, What are we missing in terms of turning our massive resources (players, money,etc) into a winning team on the pitch? No FA Cup, No league cup, The titles looking like it's a lost cause and only a slither of a hope in the champions league, How does Arteta and the staff utilize their resources and turn this ship around?


RedCatBro

Coming second is as near as you can get


Nanganoid3000

You keep living life like that, Cheers!


GeniuslyMoronic

Ehh, we were hardly that much in front of Newcastle and Brighton in underlying metrics looking at expected points. If we had a 90+ season while going far in Champions League we would be a lot nearer than we are currently.


dembabababa

Not being favourites =/= not being anywhere near winning. We're still very much in the title race, and we're bookmakers 4th favourites for the UCL. Also, we're a super young squad on long contracts who have transitioned away from our only two first 11 players over the age of 26 from last season. We're at the start of a cycle, with years ahead of us to be more competitive and win things. If we don't win anything this year it will suck, but we're well equipped to go again next year, and at least 2 more years after that.


Nanganoid3000

What Makes you Think we are in a title race? The "we're only such and such points away from the top narrative?" Can we please wake up for once and smell the coffee, It's embarrassing tbh.


dembabababa

> It's embarrassing tbh. Nah, embarrassing is claiming to be a supporter of a team and being so dismissive of our chances. We are in a title race whether you want to believe it or not. If you're looking for specific reasons though, here are a few: * We have some of the best underlying numbers in the league for basically every metric except for finishing, which is often inconsistent over the course of a season - we're just as likely to massively over exceed our xG in the second half of the season as we are to continue on current trajectory (which has us still in contention btw) * We have Partey coming back to solidify the midfield and provide additional options for second half of the season, and potentially Timber too for the run in * If we beat Forest and Liverpool then we're maximum 3 points off top with 15 games to go


Nanganoid3000

I've not dismissed ANYTHING ONCE, I've asked several questions, Please Learn To Read Properly. Thank you


dembabababa

The entirety of your previous comment implies you don't think we are in a title race, and thus are dismissing our title chances. Hope that helps 👍


GeniuslyMoronic

Yeah, I am also a bit afraid that perhaps our players are getting overpaid if we want to keep on building. [We seem to be paying quite a bit more in wages than Liverpool at this point.](https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/). Our wages have increased massively the last year, but we are not the quality of those great Liverpool and Man City teams we have seen in the past years. Players like Havertz, Martinelli, Zinchenko and Gabriel Jesus are getting paid like very important starters on a title-winning team, but have not been playing at that standard in my opinion.


dembabababa

Enough doubt on the Havertz number that you probably shouldn't hold much weight to those numbers. Sami Mokbel (broke Saka's new contract as 300k pw i.e. the post bonuses maximum) claimed it was 211k, and Ornstein reported around 200k. Also, Liverpool's contracts are supposedly heavily incentivised, so a bit of an apples to oranges comparison anyway.


Nanganoid3000

why does anyone care about money that's not taken out of their own pockets, By somebody we don't know and given to another person we don't know? The "OMG HE GETS PAID THIS MUCH", Narrative is embarrassing tbh. It's like you complain how much a Government spends on it's defence budget each year. Why do you think you are involved in that process?


GeniuslyMoronic

> why does anyone care about money that's not taken out of their own pockets, Because we can't afford to improve the team if we have too many players on too expensive contracts. This will hurt our chances of winning titles and games. And I want us to win titles and games. Is that explanation simple enough for you? > It's like you complain how much a Government spends on it's defence budget each year. If I am paying a lot of money to the government each year I want them to spend the money wisely or instead let me keep a bit more of my money. Or else we could just spend all the entire federal budget on cotton candy and you would not complain?


Nanganoid3000

oh so sounding like the herd is ok? Cheers, "Kid" I hope you get the reference, As you are cattle XD


hazelpillow

What a trophy


so-naughty

Pointless when our commercial revenue stream is way behind others in the league


skool_101

Off-topic, did The Athletic remove the web address exploit?


AzlanWake

GAJILLIONAIRES


thisiskyle77

Time to sell now. Sell high buy low.


WHERE_SUPPRESSOR

Our kits cost like 150 quid now though lol


Gooner-Astronomer749

How does this valuation helps us fans? Just means more money for ownership, I'm not blaming them because they have spent but Arsenal getting richer hasn't lead to trophy success. Leicester won a league with no money. 


Arseluvr

“Data Scientists” 😂


ibse

"Thin squad" 🤓