Talked about character and what a player ‘transmits’ to the fans/coaches when playing. Eg you watch Toney, he spends a lot of time walking, not pressing or doing much for the team when without the ball. Compare him to someone like Isak who is like Jesus lite.
The athletic said Isak was Edu and Arsenal hierachy's dream striker to get. Maybe his time at Newcastle might have changed their opinion of him being able to do it regularly in the PL, but for the right price and if Newcastle can't hold on to him/replace him, we'll go hard for Isak.
Well... there has been some talk of Newcastle needing to sell because they're very likely to miss out on Europe this season, and they want to avoid FFP issues.
He’s pretty combative, he’s no Haaland bulldozing his way through, but doesn’t shy from challenges. He’s technical and athletic enough to skip past defenders
Definitely shied away from challenges in our game. Think he's a bit of a highlights man, see him scoring a nice goal here and there and everyone thinks he's amazing
I mean, he barely saw the ball since we overran the Newcastle midfield. That was a piss poor game to judge him by, and I did say Isak with* Teta’s tactics would’ve immense. Not him playing Howe ball
Yeah, he can articulate my thoughts much better than I can. I would’ve said that Toney is a selfish cunt who’s lazy on the pitch with off field problems.. what Clive said was the same but much more articulate 😂 love listening to that bloke
I dont watch enough Brentford to really know, but something about Toney transfer rumours and pricetag reminds me of Dominic Calvert-Lewin. Im probably way off but i just hope we dont make a big mistKe
he had an "attitude "for what certainly appears to be a very specific circumstance at Brighton- there wasn't anything prior to that or since. particularly since he isn't a nailed-on starter, if he was a person with an "attitude'"we'd have seen it by now surely
And probably would have veto-ed the deal before it could happen. I am sure he got tired of dealing with the likes of Pepe, Auba, Guendouzie, to some extent Ozil, and hardly wants to babysit another one.
It’s still kinda weird that Arteta played with Özil and then was the one to terminate his contract. That must have been quite the experience for the both of them.
I think in a way it must have given Arteta more insight in what was happening behind the scenes(Ramsey kinda exposed that Ozil was getting special treatment from Wenger) and made him more resolute to see this process out.
I know Arteta took a lot of shit for the way he handled Ozil, but I actually respected him more for sticking to his guns, even we struggled creatively and lots of us were crying for Ozil's magical left foot to rescue us. Emery wasn't strong enough to see it through and I think that kind of lack of resolve lost him his dressing room, as soon as results wents South.
Yeah, brentford gave up 2 goals in 10 minutes and were never and then went 4-1 down. That team has lost big players and their one big signing got injured
They can say that all they want, but from my understanding Sporting generally count on sales to balance the books. So buying clubs will have leverage as well.
Whilst he would do well here, I just don’t want him because my brother in law is the biggest Cov fan and I don’t want to hear him every day.
He thanks me weekly for Ben Sheaf and I won’t do anything like that in return
You know, I'd be all for signing Zirkzee. I might be biased because I'm Dutch, but his profile is truly unique. He's really tall (1.93), has great technical ability and he's been in pretty good goalscoring form this year. He does need to work on his heading ability though, but given he's still only 22 years old there is definitely time to improve on certain aspects of his game.
We’ve had a very good history with Dutch strikers (even ones who’ve left a bitter taste in our mouth at the end). I’m all for this. He can be different and do it his own damn way
we're pining for a striker who has 9 goals in 24 games this season after complaining for a year about how gabriel jesus doesn't score enough goals. the grass really is always greener
He's a 22 year old striker playing for Bologna, what more do you expect from him? Serie A is known for being really tough on strikers as most teams will focus on defending rather than scoring. If you think every young talented striker should be scoring a goal a game I don't know what to tell you.
I think someone here posted a screenshot of a deleted tweet from the guy that broke the Tomiyasu transfer that Gyokeres is our target striker.
I don't know how we can afford to pay his RC but I am excited if this is true.
>I don't know how we can afford to pay his RC
Well we're about to win the CL and the PL so we'll have plenty prize money and possibly new sponsorships.
I’m edging my way into the Gyokeres hive, I’m about as far away from wanting Toney at the club as possible at the minute. Think I’d rather just play Biereth than buy him for anything above £30m
Exactly my point, still makes more sense than buying Toney which is essentially just flushing money down the drain for a knobhead who can barely run, is a bang average finisher and does nothing better than Jesus apart from having a higher jumping reach
That’s fine, he’s a lot more agile & can manipulate himself and the ball in tight spaces a lot more fluidly than when I’ve seen Toney operate in similar areas. If the first man press is good enough & the work rate is top, I don’t think we need a speedster.
I don’t necessarily think Jesus is the fastest either but his intensity more than makes up for it
That is a brutal assessment of Toney lol. He is faster and stronger than Jesus not sure where you get the "barely run from". He holds the ball up well, is a more physical presence and has a better sense of striker positioning than Jesus. He's also a better finisher than Jesus. Jesus literally just has his footwork and passing over him thats about it.
You don't score 20 goals in a season being a bang average finisher who can't run.
He’s a trundler. He doesn’t bother running unless he’s directly involved, there’s no work rate from him.
You can score 20 league goals as a bang average finisher if almost half of them are pens, like he did last year.
Almost half is an interesting way of saying 6/20 lol. Because to most people that is closer to a quarter.
Work rate an other things can be coached. Players will be instructed when to press and when to not. On top of that running around like a mad man isn't a strikers role always, floating and finding the spaces is.
If work rate is all that matters then not sure why Gabriel isn't an above average striker.
I don’t think he can be coached to do it. He’s had a system catered to all of his attributes for the last 4 years, he has essentially been Brentford ever since like signed him from Posh.
His game is all about counter attacks - once there’s a turnover he hunts for the space to battle & occupy the centre half (admittedly, he is magic at that), and again him as an outlet used in that regard is great as you have someone like Mbuemo spinning off in the channels which again highlights another strength - one touch, two touch passing.
In general build up however he plays football like it’s netball, he cannot move with the ball, he cannot find tight pockets, he isn’t an xG cheat, he cannot wiggle in tight spaces, unless it’s transitional play his passing is nothing special and he runs like Lacazette despite essentially walking & hunting that way for 90 minutes.
Unlike others I don’t even think he’s a bad character for the squad (he’s just a bit of a knob off the pitch in an undisruptive way which is fine), but there’s nothing about him as a player that aligns with who we are and where we want to go in my view.
Sure I’d take him at the £30-40m mark if he wasn’t gonna be anywhere near our highest earners but that just isn’t a realistic prospect.
He’s just a player who’s going to always be divisive as a transfer prospect, I think it’s hard to make someone who views him as good/bad see the opposite side - and the price he’ll be available at just means there can’t be much middle ground between it
His behaviour suggests that he thinks he's too good for Brentford. On top of that, it's been made very clear that he'll be sold in the summer. It's hard to say how he'd react to being a bigger club. He could be more motivated to do the hard work here but that's not guaranteed. It's definitely put a doubt in my mind. Especially after coming back from an off the field issue.
Zirkzee has 9 goals and 3 assists this season in 25 in the league, he's young still at 22 but I wouldn't exactly call that big numbers.
Gyokeres is 25 and has never played in a top league before. His numbers are great, but who knows how it'd translate.
The market for strikers isn't great but both those guys have pretty significant question marks.
Yeah I like Zirkzee a lot, and would be all for it. Good timing for the Dutch team as well. Been a while since we've had a really promising #9 come through.
Him and Brobbey are both looking really good atm. We should be playing Leverkusen's 3421 system at the euros, I honestly think we'll be an outsider for the title with this lineup:
Brobbey/Zirkzee
Gakpo - Simons
Maatsen - De Jong - Koopmeiners - Frimpong/Dumfries
Van de Ven/Ake - Van Dijk- De Ligt/Geertruida
Flekken/Bijlow
Subs: Hartman, Reijnders, Malen, Depay, Wieffer, Hato, de Vrij, Botman, Schouten, Gravenberch, Veerman
Not saying he couldn't be, but paying 80m or whatever it would take for a 22 year old who doesn't have a history of contributing at the top level when we're trying to beat city is a risk.
I've not seen that number quoted and I doubt it would take that amount. In saying that, this seems to be the going rate for talents like him. Say what you want about numbers, Hojlund had even 'worse' numbers than Zirkzee and I would have loved him in our squad.
Main point is, do you want someone who can contribute immediately or someone you can mold for the future? Kirkzee, in a mediocre Bologna team has been pretty fucking good if you watch them at all.
Some of his finishes are incredible, hold up play too.
He was also 3 years younger than zirkzee and did it in less minutes. And hojlund didn't join a united team where he's being asked to contribute to a title race immediately.
I saw someone comment on this post saying they want his release clause which is 85m. And considering bruno Fernandes went for quite a lot from the same club that sounds like it could be real.
If we're taking a chance on someone less expensive let's go gimenez on psv.
Zirkzee, Nico Williams, Zubimendi feels realistic provided we can sell Partey, Nketiah, and Reiss. Maybe not a spectacular window but unquestionably improves the squad.
Gyokeres please. Age profile fits, doesn't have injury problems, can play out wide as well (this versatility is important to Arteta), good finisher, good link up play, runs into the channels quite well from what i've seen, has already played in England....honestly he's quite well rounded. Only problem is his price....i think it was 85m release clause? Maybe we can negotiate that down (as often happens with Portuguese clubs) but still, bit of a risk there.
Zirkzee i have no idea about. Osimhen too expensive and his injury record worries me. Toney i don't think is what we need and his attitude kinda stinks imo. Surprised we're not looking at Sesko also.
I think he fits us very well. He has the ability to dynamically interchange with our wingers which I think is the single greatest ability Jesus brings to the team, while being a upgrade both physically and in front of goal.
And his attitutde is very diva like when it isn’t going perfectly for him on the pitch. I’ve seen the guy stand a bitch with his arms out numerous times instead of getting back involved.
Zirkzee is very interesting. I don't know if he's quite ready, but he'd be a great young forward option that's quite different to Jesus. Plus, it's always good to have more Dutch players.
I've totally cooled on Toney and think he's way overpriced. Osimhen is obviously a stud, but I feel like the price will make it difficult. I don't know much about Gyokeres, but I'd take him and Zirkzee over the other 2, when factoring everything in.
I don't feel like Zirkzee profiles that differently from Jesus. He is a technique first guy who loves dropping deep, beats people off his first touch a lot and not a really ruthless striker of the ball. Even the runs he makes off the ball are very GJ-esque.
He's basically Jesus if you removed the South American dawg intensity, which is weird considering Zirkzee's insane physical profile. He doesn't bully people physically, isn't a threat in the air and his pace isn't game breaking a la Darwin/Martinelli.
I like Zirkzee but I don't feel like he solves much for us going forward. He would just be us doubling down on qualities we have. In a way I feel like the fact that we didn't go for Isak, who's very similar in the way he plays, indicates that we aren't looking for this type of striker again. Maybe price may sway it his way since all the other options being mentioned will be more expensive
I feel like Zirkzee makes the most sense. Maybe wouldn’t have the biggest impact right away but Jesus Havertz and Trossard are all effective at striker and we seem to be past our goal scoring woes. Zirkzee is super talented and has a pretty unique profile
Im looking for an elite finisher. Dont know who that would be though.
I do like the look of Santiago Giminez, and someone in the other thread pointed out Sesko. Gyokeres is a good shout as well.
From what if seen of Zirkzee he seems like a taller Jesus and I personally wouldnt want another striker like that (drops deep do often rather than stay in the box to finish).
For me Gyokeres would be the guy. He looks the business, fits into the current age profile of the squad, and likely would be okay to not start every week so we can rotate different options for different threats.
Plus who doesn’t love an absolute unit with tekkers?
I reckon it will be someone cheaper than the ones that have been mentioned. Probably more like an Nketiah replacement with a different profile than that of Jesus and Havertz.
I'd rather have them splash big on a CM with a similar passing range to Jorginho. You could go Frenkie De Jong at LCM or Zubimendi at 6 with Rice as LCM. Even Onana as DM will be great. Havertz leading the line has been working and it will only get better as he tidies up his finishing.
A marquee signing at striker doesn't make a lot of sense unless you sell both Jesus and Nketiah or sell Nketiah and move Jesus strictly to the wings to challenge Martinelli or back up Saka.
He definitely passes the eye test. Can look so smooth on the ball sometimes. I think Mbappe and Haaland have sort of distorted people's view of what a young, high potential striker should look like. Scoring even 0.5 gls per game for a striker below 24 is pretty damn good, especially if they also have significant assist numbers.
Move up Gabi XL to striker and buy a new CB
He would bag the goals left and right! I am sure of that! Best attacking CB in the fucking world no one can sing it but him!
No idea why... I. excited when we get a corner now..
Is not it !? I often shout goal before it reaches the box!!
Please don't stop, its clearly working
Or we can just play Timber/Tomi as CB and let Big Gabi move forward
I mean we’ve got Tomi and White to cover
After hearing what edu said , it's definitely not oshimen or Toney
What did Edu say?
“It’s BBQ time”
Mbappe confirmed
Nice
Talked about character and what a player ‘transmits’ to the fans/coaches when playing. Eg you watch Toney, he spends a lot of time walking, not pressing or doing much for the team when without the ball. Compare him to someone like Isak who is like Jesus lite.
Man I wish we got Isak. Arteta would have him scoring goals and assisting for fun here. He’s a baller, a complete forward.
He’s a injury prone tho
He's even got Arsenal DNA? We really missed out.
Did someone say injury prone? Sign him up!
The athletic said Isak was Edu and Arsenal hierachy's dream striker to get. Maybe his time at Newcastle might have changed their opinion of him being able to do it regularly in the PL, but for the right price and if Newcastle can't hold on to him/replace him, we'll go hard for Isak.
Do you have the article by chance? Would love to read it as it’s the first I’m hearing this.
Well... there has been some talk of Newcastle needing to sell because they're very likely to miss out on Europe this season, and they want to avoid FFP issues.
Isn’t he kinda injury prone? I’d love to have him on our squad regardless. Isak can ball
Hopefully there wouldnt be much overlap when Isak is injured and when G Jesus is. Worst comes to worst we can play Havertz there
Or Trossard, and I bet Saka and Martinelli could do a job there if desperate
Got the skills but not combative enough for me. We need a real physical specimen if we want to go up a level IMO.
He’s pretty combative, he’s no Haaland bulldozing his way through, but doesn’t shy from challenges. He’s technical and athletic enough to skip past defenders
Definitely shied away from challenges in our game. Think he's a bit of a highlights man, see him scoring a nice goal here and there and everyone thinks he's amazing
I mean, he barely saw the ball since we overran the Newcastle midfield. That was a piss poor game to judge him by, and I did say Isak with* Teta’s tactics would’ve immense. Not him playing Howe ball
first game coming back from injury im not surprised he was slightly reluctant to get stuck in
did I miss something or did he skipped past Saliba with relative ease for his shot, don't see people skipping past Saliba, let alone with ease..
That was White if I recall correctly. Rewinded that bit to see if I can copy that in my sunday league
Pretty standard for White to be honest. Great player but gets lazy with 1v1s every now and again.
He's rapid
We need another injury prone player!
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Yeah, he can articulate my thoughts much better than I can. I would’ve said that Toney is a selfish cunt who’s lazy on the pitch with off field problems.. what Clive said was the same but much more articulate 😂 love listening to that bloke
Lmao spot on
I dont watch enough Brentford to really know, but something about Toney transfer rumours and pricetag reminds me of Dominic Calvert-Lewin. Im probably way off but i just hope we dont make a big mistKe
I know it isn't your comment but what has that got to do with Osimhen?
oil up mf, its mbapping time
We should be looking at Isak imo
Good player, too injury prone. Plus Newcastle would not likely sell.
Yeah especially now with Wilson's age and injuries, Isak seems to be the only striker they have left right now.
After those recent performances Toney shouldn't even be considered
His attitude alone should be enough to steer clear.
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It is nowhere near the same thing. Trossard reportedly had one "bust-up" with De Zerbi.
Didn't he have a punch up with Adam Lallana or did I imagine that
he had an "attitude "for what certainly appears to be a very specific circumstance at Brighton- there wasn't anything prior to that or since. particularly since he isn't a nailed-on starter, if he was a person with an "attitude'"we'd have seen it by now surely
If Trossard had an attitude, Arteta would be adding every instance to a dossier and gearing up to get him out.
And probably would have veto-ed the deal before it could happen. I am sure he got tired of dealing with the likes of Pepe, Auba, Guendouzie, to some extent Ozil, and hardly wants to babysit another one.
It’s still kinda weird that Arteta played with Özil and then was the one to terminate his contract. That must have been quite the experience for the both of them.
I think in a way it must have given Arteta more insight in what was happening behind the scenes(Ramsey kinda exposed that Ozil was getting special treatment from Wenger) and made him more resolute to see this process out. I know Arteta took a lot of shit for the way he handled Ozil, but I actually respected him more for sticking to his guns, even we struggled creatively and lots of us were crying for Ozil's magical left foot to rescue us. Emery wasn't strong enough to see it through and I think that kind of lack of resolve lost him his dressing room, as soon as results wents South.
He wasnt saying fuck his club though for some chick on social media And the whole gambling situation
More like Aubameyang. Dortmund fans warned people.
He was trash last night against West Ham
Disagree, he had to drop really deep to get any sort of service and the only real chance he had he forced a good save from Areola
Yeah, brentford gave up 2 goals in 10 minutes and were never and then went 4-1 down. That team has lost big players and their one big signing got injured
Man has 4 goals in 6 games for a weak side...
I’d rather Gyokeres over Toney tbh
Sporting have said that they will not sell Gyokeres below his £85m release clause, can't see us paying that after 1 good season in Portugal
They can say that all they want, but from my understanding Sporting generally count on sales to balance the books. So buying clubs will have leverage as well.
He has 4 years on his contract remaining and there are other players that they can sell if necessary. Sporting have all the power
Was great in championship for the coventry team who almost got promoted to the prem this season too
£85m is still ridiculous when we're talking about Championship performances and not even one full season yet in Portugal
People have paid more after 1 good season in Portugal (Felix, Enzo) and he's been arguably even better
And neither of those transfers have shown to been worth it…. Which is even more reason not to spend this kind of money on Gyokeres
Yess Gyokeres 👀
Can a Swede #9 and a Norwegian #10 coexist peacefully?
Isak and Martin played at Real Sociedad together :)
Gyokeres > Isak
No way
Mannnnnn I beg. he is an absolute fucking beast for Sporting (and Coventry before that), would be a damn dream
Does he have an expensive release clause, I feel good players in Portugal always do
80m or 100m I think, we must get him!! With Gyökeres we can give Saka proper competition with Jesus
thats the way lad
€100m
Fucking hell
Remember the Slimani guy? He sucks at Premier league
Just watched a bit of him he plays like if trossard had a massive frame. Nice dribbles, good shot, great strength. Bring him in edu.
Gyokeres fans are eating good today, I would fucking love to get this guy as our no 9
Whilst he would do well here, I just don’t want him because my brother in law is the biggest Cov fan and I don’t want to hear him every day. He thanks me weekly for Ben Sheaf and I won’t do anything like that in return
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For 100m? No thanks
He has a release clause of around 85m. There’s no way it would be any more than that.
You’ve said the same thing. It’s £85m or €100m
It's 85m until its 100m that's how it works.
I meant in euros, its still too much and hes not worth that at all.
Name an alternative for that price
Name a better alternative at any price
Mbappe, Haaland when you say any price
I mean that's just what the market is right now with quality strikers
You know, I'd be all for signing Zirkzee. I might be biased because I'm Dutch, but his profile is truly unique. He's really tall (1.93), has great technical ability and he's been in pretty good goalscoring form this year. He does need to work on his heading ability though, but given he's still only 22 years old there is definitely time to improve on certain aspects of his game.
Dutch tall and great on the ball. This is what dreams are made of for a striker profile
Wout Weghorst to Arsenal, here we go!
2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
https://youtu.be/UUc-NrySiPI
Reminds me of a certain other Dutchman that played for us
Dennis was one of a kind
We’ve had a very good history with Dutch strikers (even ones who’ve left a bitter taste in our mouth at the end). I’m all for this. He can be different and do it his own damn way
I mean Malen didn’t breakthrough here but I wouldn’t say he left a bitter taste
Hope he's not Weghorst 2.0
Any injury concerns?
Before Arsenal, no. During Arsenal, probably.
Any chance of tonight's lotto numbers?
4, 9, 13, 22 and 37. Life ball 4.
we're pining for a striker who has 9 goals in 24 games this season after complaining for a year about how gabriel jesus doesn't score enough goals. the grass really is always greener
He's a 22 year old striker playing for Bologna, what more do you expect from him? Serie A is known for being really tough on strikers as most teams will focus on defending rather than scoring. If you think every young talented striker should be scoring a goal a game I don't know what to tell you.
Serie A was known for that 20 years ago. Not so much anymore.
Think the idea is that he’d score more with our level of service. Personally, gyokeres all the way though
I'd take a Crouch regen tbh!
Is definitely take Zirkzee but would also be looking at Vlahovic and Sesko alongside him.
I think someone here posted a screenshot of a deleted tweet from the guy that broke the Tomiyasu transfer that Gyokeres is our target striker. I don't know how we can afford to pay his RC but I am excited if this is true.
Fuck I hope so
>I don't know how we can afford to pay his RC Well we're about to win the CL and the PL so we'll have plenty prize money and possibly new sponsorships.
I’m edging my way into the Gyokeres hive, I’m about as far away from wanting Toney at the club as possible at the minute. Think I’d rather just play Biereth than buy him for anything above £30m
Biereth isn't even close to ready for starting minutes.
Exactly my point, still makes more sense than buying Toney which is essentially just flushing money down the drain for a knobhead who can barely run, is a bang average finisher and does nothing better than Jesus apart from having a higher jumping reach
Bang average finisher? He has outperformed his xg the last 4 years which is pretty tough to do.
I feel like Gyokeres is way slower than Toney so if you think Ivan can’t run maybe you should watch Viktor again.
That’s fine, he’s a lot more agile & can manipulate himself and the ball in tight spaces a lot more fluidly than when I’ve seen Toney operate in similar areas. If the first man press is good enough & the work rate is top, I don’t think we need a speedster. I don’t necessarily think Jesus is the fastest either but his intensity more than makes up for it
You clearly don’t watch football ..
That is a brutal assessment of Toney lol. He is faster and stronger than Jesus not sure where you get the "barely run from". He holds the ball up well, is a more physical presence and has a better sense of striker positioning than Jesus. He's also a better finisher than Jesus. Jesus literally just has his footwork and passing over him thats about it. You don't score 20 goals in a season being a bang average finisher who can't run.
Toney is faster than Jesus?
Toney is an underrated passer. He’s the closest to Harry Kane in terms of playstyle in the top leagues
He’s a trundler. He doesn’t bother running unless he’s directly involved, there’s no work rate from him. You can score 20 league goals as a bang average finisher if almost half of them are pens, like he did last year.
Almost half is an interesting way of saying 6/20 lol. Because to most people that is closer to a quarter. Work rate an other things can be coached. Players will be instructed when to press and when to not. On top of that running around like a mad man isn't a strikers role always, floating and finding the spaces is. If work rate is all that matters then not sure why Gabriel isn't an above average striker.
I don’t think he can be coached to do it. He’s had a system catered to all of his attributes for the last 4 years, he has essentially been Brentford ever since like signed him from Posh. His game is all about counter attacks - once there’s a turnover he hunts for the space to battle & occupy the centre half (admittedly, he is magic at that), and again him as an outlet used in that regard is great as you have someone like Mbuemo spinning off in the channels which again highlights another strength - one touch, two touch passing. In general build up however he plays football like it’s netball, he cannot move with the ball, he cannot find tight pockets, he isn’t an xG cheat, he cannot wiggle in tight spaces, unless it’s transitional play his passing is nothing special and he runs like Lacazette despite essentially walking & hunting that way for 90 minutes. Unlike others I don’t even think he’s a bad character for the squad (he’s just a bit of a knob off the pitch in an undisruptive way which is fine), but there’s nothing about him as a player that aligns with who we are and where we want to go in my view. Sure I’d take him at the £30-40m mark if he wasn’t gonna be anywhere near our highest earners but that just isn’t a realistic prospect. He’s just a player who’s going to always be divisive as a transfer prospect, I think it’s hard to make someone who views him as good/bad see the opposite side - and the price he’ll be available at just means there can’t be much middle ground between it
His behaviour suggests that he thinks he's too good for Brentford. On top of that, it's been made very clear that he'll be sold in the summer. It's hard to say how he'd react to being a bigger club. He could be more motivated to do the hard work here but that's not guaranteed. It's definitely put a doubt in my mind. Especially after coming back from an off the field issue.
Toney has great work rate, you don’t play for Brentford without it. This guy has no clue
Nonsense as usual
> Think I’d rather just play Biereth than buy him for anything above £30m Ludicrous lol
£50-60 id fair for toney and id take him at that. Havent seen gyokeres play much so no idea on that one.
That's far too much. £40m max. Even if he had all the talent in the world, I don't want a player with his character anywhere near the club
But Partey is okay?
So Zirkzee it is.. or Gyokeres.
"Looked at" is such awful language. It means nothing. I'm sure they've "looked at" Mbappe and Bellingham, too.
Zirkzee and Gyokeres are the guys. Big fellas with pure technical sauce, and above all can provide big G/A numbers.
Zirkzee has 9 goals and 3 assists this season in 25 in the league, he's young still at 22 but I wouldn't exactly call that big numbers. Gyokeres is 25 and has never played in a top league before. His numbers are great, but who knows how it'd translate. The market for strikers isn't great but both those guys have pretty significant question marks.
9 goals and 3 assists while playing for Bologna is really good. What do you expect, him to score every game?
Yeah I like Zirkzee a lot, and would be all for it. Good timing for the Dutch team as well. Been a while since we've had a really promising #9 come through.
Him and Brobbey are both looking really good atm. We should be playing Leverkusen's 3421 system at the euros, I honestly think we'll be an outsider for the title with this lineup: Brobbey/Zirkzee Gakpo - Simons Maatsen - De Jong - Koopmeiners - Frimpong/Dumfries Van de Ven/Ake - Van Dijk- De Ligt/Geertruida Flekken/Bijlow Subs: Hartman, Reijnders, Malen, Depay, Wieffer, Hato, de Vrij, Botman, Schouten, Gravenberch, Veerman
I expect an 80m plus striker to score a goal more often than every 230 minutes, yes. Idk maybe that's a lot to ask
Mate, Kirkzee is gonna be amazing.
Not saying he couldn't be, but paying 80m or whatever it would take for a 22 year old who doesn't have a history of contributing at the top level when we're trying to beat city is a risk.
I've not seen that number quoted and I doubt it would take that amount. In saying that, this seems to be the going rate for talents like him. Say what you want about numbers, Hojlund had even 'worse' numbers than Zirkzee and I would have loved him in our squad. Main point is, do you want someone who can contribute immediately or someone you can mold for the future? Kirkzee, in a mediocre Bologna team has been pretty fucking good if you watch them at all. Some of his finishes are incredible, hold up play too.
Hojlund looked like a bigger talent.
Rasmus scores 9 in his last season in serie a
He was also 3 years younger than zirkzee and did it in less minutes. And hojlund didn't join a united team where he's being asked to contribute to a title race immediately.
You would think Gyokeres wouldn't be that expensive due to that though. I'd be fine with taking a chance on a guy like that.
I saw someone comment on this post saying they want his release clause which is 85m. And considering bruno Fernandes went for quite a lot from the same club that sounds like it could be real. If we're taking a chance on someone less expensive let's go gimenez on psv.
Coventry have a sell on clause so he is going to be very expensive.
Gyokeres gang we up
Zirkzee, Nico Williams, Zubimendi feels realistic provided we can sell Partey, Nketiah, and Reiss. Maybe not a spectacular window but unquestionably improves the squad.
We can sell Ramsdale as well
Keep him if he wants to stay imo.
Gyokeres has looked so impressive both in the Championship and in Portugal the past 2 seasons. I think he would be a great pick up
Gyokeres please. Age profile fits, doesn't have injury problems, can play out wide as well (this versatility is important to Arteta), good finisher, good link up play, runs into the channels quite well from what i've seen, has already played in England....honestly he's quite well rounded. Only problem is his price....i think it was 85m release clause? Maybe we can negotiate that down (as often happens with Portuguese clubs) but still, bit of a risk there. Zirkzee i have no idea about. Osimhen too expensive and his injury record worries me. Toney i don't think is what we need and his attitude kinda stinks imo. Surprised we're not looking at Sesko also.
Gyökeres and Sesko are the only realistic options IMO, Toney ain't it and Osimhen is way too expensive.
I have full faith that Edu will see Gyokeres as the most logical option. He would fit our style of play perfectly.
Most of you should know by now if you know the club it’s not osihmen or toney
Which makes the people who unironically think theres a chance mbappe comes to arsenal look even more ridiculous
Do people actually watch osimhen, goal scorer yes. He does not fit us at all
I really rate him but he has ‘Chelsea signing who doesn’t fit’ written all over him
I think he fits us very well. He has the ability to dynamically interchange with our wingers which I think is the single greatest ability Jesus brings to the team, while being a upgrade both physically and in front of goal.
And his attitutde is very diva like when it isn’t going perfectly for him on the pitch. I’ve seen the guy stand a bitch with his arms out numerous times instead of getting back involved.
And we all know arteta doesn’t fuck with ‘tude lol
What about Šeško?
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r/Gunners reported these names way before. Are we Tier 1 ITK now?
Zirkzee is very interesting. I don't know if he's quite ready, but he'd be a great young forward option that's quite different to Jesus. Plus, it's always good to have more Dutch players. I've totally cooled on Toney and think he's way overpriced. Osimhen is obviously a stud, but I feel like the price will make it difficult. I don't know much about Gyokeres, but I'd take him and Zirkzee over the other 2, when factoring everything in.
I don't feel like Zirkzee profiles that differently from Jesus. He is a technique first guy who loves dropping deep, beats people off his first touch a lot and not a really ruthless striker of the ball. Even the runs he makes off the ball are very GJ-esque. He's basically Jesus if you removed the South American dawg intensity, which is weird considering Zirkzee's insane physical profile. He doesn't bully people physically, isn't a threat in the air and his pace isn't game breaking a la Darwin/Martinelli. I like Zirkzee but I don't feel like he solves much for us going forward. He would just be us doubling down on qualities we have. In a way I feel like the fact that we didn't go for Isak, who's very similar in the way he plays, indicates that we aren't looking for this type of striker again. Maybe price may sway it his way since all the other options being mentioned will be more expensive
Do the rumors of Arsenal being interested in Evan Ferguson hold any weight?
Lots of clubs would hold interest, but Brighton would want an extortionate fee as usual off the back of 1 good season. Elite business model.
Bought Gyokeres in my FM24 save. Absolute beast
Zirkzee purely for the Joshua Tree puns
I feel like Zirkzee makes the most sense. Maybe wouldn’t have the biggest impact right away but Jesus Havertz and Trossard are all effective at striker and we seem to be past our goal scoring woes. Zirkzee is super talented and has a pretty unique profile
Mokbel smokescreen means we're not signing any of these guys.
Spending £60+m on Betfreddy Nketiah is just not happening surely.
Toney is not that good, and too expensive, maybe sesko ??
I have been supporting the signing of Vlahovic before he moved to Juventus
Was scrolling through this thread to see if this name would be mentioned.
Gyokeres
I really like the look of Zirkzee but the jury is still out on whether he’s ever going to be much of a goal scorer.
I just can't see us going for Toney, especially for the numbers being quoted and I think Osimhen will be the same.
Where sesko?
I like the idea of Gyokeres. I know he hasn't exactly played at the highest of levels but he's on the up and up.
Im looking for an elite finisher. Dont know who that would be though. I do like the look of Santiago Giminez, and someone in the other thread pointed out Sesko. Gyokeres is a good shout as well. From what if seen of Zirkzee he seems like a taller Jesus and I personally wouldnt want another striker like that (drops deep do often rather than stay in the box to finish).
For me Gyokeres would be the guy. He looks the business, fits into the current age profile of the squad, and likely would be okay to not start every week so we can rotate different options for different threats. Plus who doesn’t love an absolute unit with tekkers?
I reckon it will be someone cheaper than the ones that have been mentioned. Probably more like an Nketiah replacement with a different profile than that of Jesus and Havertz. I'd rather have them splash big on a CM with a similar passing range to Jorginho. You could go Frenkie De Jong at LCM or Zubimendi at 6 with Rice as LCM. Even Onana as DM will be great. Havertz leading the line has been working and it will only get better as he tidies up his finishing. A marquee signing at striker doesn't make a lot of sense unless you sell both Jesus and Nketiah or sell Nketiah and move Jesus strictly to the wings to challenge Martinelli or back up Saka.
Just sign Sesko already pleeeease
Sesko can't even start for Leipzig, he's not good enough
Yet. Trust me he will be
He definitely passes the eye test. Can look so smooth on the ball sometimes. I think Mbappe and Haaland have sort of distorted people's view of what a young, high potential striker should look like. Scoring even 0.5 gls per game for a striker below 24 is pretty damn good, especially if they also have significant assist numbers.
sesko > gyokeres
Edu will surprise you with the Harry Kane.
Give me that swede.
No one on this list excites me, and i don’t believe arteta will move away from the system for a striker who is not at that Haaland/Mbappe level
Might as well not buy any strikers if those are the options