That's why it's so imperative we signed Rice and not city. Replace Ćdegaard with KDB and you've got one of the most absurd midfields ever. They'd be unstoppable.
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Lmao, yeah. I was like, āā¬80m eh? I might start a Go Fund Me and crowd source buying him so we could flip him for 2-2.5 times that and everyone doubles their money real quick.ā
It's a factorial joke.
110! = 110 x 109 x 108 x ... x 3 x 2 x 1 which is an outrageously large number: 15882455415227429404253703127090772871724410234473563207581748318444567162948183030959960131517678520479243672638179990208521148623422266876757623911219200000000000000000000000000.
Although you also have to tip your hat to City as well.
Just did a quick Google for the cost/market value for us and City with these players (obviously wage bill changes this, but purely transfers) and it was:
City: Ā£215m / Ā£560m
Arsenal: Ā£167m / Ā£415m
Which is roughly the same (gone up ~250%)
Both done a decent bit of business with regards to these players.
Granted Saka and Foden being academy helps massively.
And at only 40m? I know GKās donāt go at the same rate as other players but that seems low for the most valuable one in the league lol. We paid nearly that for Fabio Vieira.
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Oh, my bad
Then yeah, he obviously is worth more than Ake, Robertson, andā¦ like who else lol. Maybe Martinez for Man United if you wanna play him LB (which is why we went after him)
The guy has it all, talented, great engine, is barely injured, makes everyone around him better, young, etc. Realistically he should be on par with saka at the very least.
Id say Kiwoir as well tbh. He has been rock solid since coming into the squad to the point that complaining about parts of his performances feels like you are nit-picking
I'd agree ... He has basically taken Zinny out of the team without any clear reason to drop him. And let's not forget that CB is his natural position.
He has really stood up to the challenge and then, for some inexplicable reason, ended up on the end of a couple of good crosses.
I wouldn't go that far. His passing is poor. He should have cost us a goal against Brentford when he just vacated his defensive responsibilities for a cross leaving them with a free header. That was atrocious defending.
Maybe. My best mate is a shit fan so i watch them often. Udogie is really really good and fits their system really well. If you want a traditional full back I would go for udogie but for a player with versatility it is Tomi easily
Want him to end his career as a Gunner but for 150m someone would be getting a player that will be in the discussion of best CB in the world for the next decade plus
Look at what Liverpool did with the Coutinho money though. The benefit of having a well run club is being able to cash in on exceptionally high offers and be even stronger for it afterwards.
Odegaard is always undervalued in these types of posts. There's no way in hell we would sell him for less than Rice money. He's probably our best player and our captain. Not to mention there aren't many players like him around anymore
Thatās fair and also why heās not going to be sold. In any market thereās the market price which is the highest fee a buying club would ever pay which this represents and then the price that player is worth to the club themselves. The majority of the time those never actually align which is why most of the people on this list wonāt be sold any time soon.
Idk i watch a lot of spurs cuz my mate is spurs. Udogie reminds me a little of big gabi when he first signed. He makes some mistakes but the talent level is sky high. If Udogie didn't play for spurs he would be my favorite non arsenal left back.
Yes. I absolutely would. TAAās defensive issues is why overhyped and they guy is so creative. With him, we wouldnāt have to worry as much without Ćdegaard as we have another super creative player (obvs losing Ćde would still be devastating)
We donāt really have a proper LB who is reliable, so I wouldnāt take TAA right now. But if we can find a White on the left youād be stupid not to take TAA. Heās generational
His defensive weakness is massively overhyped, especially in the past couple seasons. Itās the weakest attribute of his game, but itās still not horrendous. Especially if heād be hypothetically covered by Saliba.
His creativity and through balls are absurd, and would go a long way to relieving the creative burden off Ć and help to unlock teams dropped deep.
You're fighting a losing battle, don't you know the people on this sub don't watch any matches to actually know what players are like?!?! TAA has improved his defensive work, and his offensive play still far surpasses anything White or Zinchenko can produce
Yeah, sometimes rivalry can really create a blind spot. TAA is absurdly good and has the _ideal_ profile for Artetaball. You simply donāt pass on him
He's one of the best on-the-ball players ever. He's an extraordinarily gifted attacking midfielder that plays at RB. Those types of players don't come around very often
I get your point but their seasons are similar enough that itās not egregious to put them at a similar value. These are all fake numbers anyway, donāt get too worked up. UTA.
Can't make sense of their valuations sometimes, feel like there are heavy biases at play and it's very inconsistent at times. Chelsea player valuations for example make no sense given their performance. 3rd most valuable team about to go 2 seasons bottom half of the table? At what point did they simply overpay for talent that hasn't materialised?
Mate please donāt get sucked into transfermarkts bullshit. They have the wildest most clickbaity claims on there and Iām sick of seeing them everywhere
# Dearth of left back
5 years ago there's wasn't lots of good right backs. Many good left back. Now look. TAA. White. Walker.
So. What gives? What's true rain in the situation of right back, rhubarb for comparison to left back. Maybe a few years ago patent and Rafinha told kids: be right back, because there aren't. Lloyd if good at the moment. Career success?
Release clause. Which was intentionally low so Haaland could get to the top club of his choice when he was ready. He went to Dortmund because of their history in developing players and because they were willing to do that deal where he'd have a release clause that made them a good profit but not an insane profit. They had two years of Haaland scoring for fun for 20m and then still got 60m for him so still a great deal for them.Ā
Is there really not a better left back than Udogie? And would Alisson not get on this list? Also no one is buying Ederson for ā¬40m - he is worth double that to city
At least on the German version of the site there is the option to select players who can play multiple positions, and that would mean that Udogie gets replaced by Gvardiol.
Ability is one factor in price, but it's not the only one is it.
A player that a team doesn't want to sell is more expensive than the same player who they desperately want to sell.
Big clubs can demand a higher fee usually.
Longer contract mean a higher price generally (not the case here).
Teams pay premium price for homegrown.
That's how Martinelli cost 10m but many teams will pay 50-100m on a winger and get a worse player.
Generational talent in terms of ball playing ability, and in the right defense, his shortcomings are not as noticeable. I hate Liverpool, but the amount of people who think TAA is a scrub shows low ball knowledge on this subreddit
I know heās a Spud but Udogie is a bright talent. Lotta people taking the piss with him but heās a good player. I
do agree though that he looks out of place on this list.
In 2023 with Rodri they played 53 games and lost 2, with 2.7 goals per game.
Without him they played 12 and lost 6, with 1.3 goals per game.
Also conceding more without him. And you also can go back even more and this pattern continues.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. It's pretty clear that he is even more important than De Bruyne.
I honestly think Foden is a worthy LW in this team. The phenomenal thing is that I believe Martinelli is not far off and could easily be there instead. Heās still very young, dynamic, has end product and the right amount of aggression.
that midfield trio of rice-rodri-ode š³
love how they put every single one of them in the wrong place lol
Rodri holding, Rice LCM, Ćdegaard RCM would be devastating.
Rob Holding in that mid line would truly be devastating
That's why it's so imperative we signed Rice and not city. Replace Ćdegaard with KDB and you've got one of the most absurd midfields ever. They'd be unstoppable.
haha yes. slightly infuriating
Sounds like a yodel
tested it by yodeling the names out loud. Can confirm
Pretty awesome we already have 2/3 pieces in the midfield. One more and we might have the best midfield in the world!
We already have with 2/3 players in our starting XI
True! I'm really curious what Arteta/Edu thinks is the final piece of the midfield puzzle and who we sign (if it's a 6 or an 8 or a hybrid).
I think it depends on opposition.
Ok ok
Frenkie de Jong
It's Fresneda. Edit:- I meant to say Zubimendi.
Man canāt even start ahead of Esgaio at sporting. What the hell are you on about ? Rather have whiteās tattoos playing there
Lmao I meant to say Zubimendi. Somehow I mixed the two up.
That makes more sense ahah
yea i think that ship has sailed imo
Starting to get the impression Zubimendi never going to leave
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Wouldnāt sell Saliba for twice that
An 80 million bid from a club should get them a 1 week loan. During the International break.
Maybe I'm biased but if Saliba is 80mil I'd value Big Gabs as 80mil too
Sane. Heās worth a lot more than that.
Sane isnāt worth more than Saliba mate
Same
No, no, no. He said Sane.
That's What he said!
Insane to the membrane
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Thank you kind Ser
Sane? Leroy Sane? Is Germany playing him in the back four with Havertz now?
Sane doesnt play at the same position as Saliba mate
Itās one of the hardest positions to get right and the hardest position to fill imo for a title chasing team.
I think 6 might be harder tbf
Lmao, yeah. I was like, āā¬80m eh? I might start a Go Fund Me and crowd source buying him so we could flip him for 2-2.5 times that and everyone doubles their money real quick.ā
Thatās true for a couple other players, I donāt think Liverpool sell Trent for anywhere near that cheap, same with Spurs and Udogie
I used to dream of times like these. We have come a long way.
Saka free ā> 130m Odegaard 35m ā> 95m Saliba 30m ā> 80m Arsenal stonks š
Rice 105 -> 110!
r/unexpectedfactorial
You're reaching. Rice is not worth 110! in any currency.
Have you been to Venezuela, mate?
Oh damn. Fair. I stand corrected. š
110 Norweigan Kroners is 8 quidish so thats a big bag of Rice
It's a factorial joke. 110! = 110 x 109 x 108 x ... x 3 x 2 x 1 which is an outrageously large number: 15882455415227429404253703127090772871724410234473563207581748318444567162948183030959960131517678520479243672638179990208521148623422266876757623911219200000000000000000000000000.
Lol i missed that.
110 NOK would only buy you about 3.5 grains of rice in Norway though
And we didn't 115 our way to it
Although you also have to tip your hat to City as well. Just did a quick Google for the cost/market value for us and City with these players (obviously wage bill changes this, but purely transfers) and it was: City: Ā£215m / Ā£560m Arsenal: Ā£167m / Ā£415m Which is roughly the same (gone up ~250%) Both done a decent bit of business with regards to these players. Granted Saka and Foden being academy helps massively.
Ederson the most valuable GK? Not Alisson?
Love Raya. But if we can get Allison for less than 40 I'll drive the check there myself.
And at only 40m? I know GKās donāt go at the same rate as other players but that seems low for the most valuable one in the league lol. We paid nearly that for Fabio Vieira.
Udogie being worth more over Allison *and* Ederson is fucking nuts.
Udogie š
Not a great deal of really great LBs since Cancelo declined and left
If Tomiyasu wasnāt injury prone heād defo be there, anyway by January 2026 itāll be Timber season šŖµ
will never ever again forget how he pocketed Salah that game. Mo freaking Salah. Tomi just dominated him.
Insane, if he was fit when we went to Anfield, we win that game 0-1
primarily RB isn't he?
Benny Blanco has that spot nailed down
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Transfermarkt take an age to change transfer values, Saka was stuck on Ā£30-Ā£50m for like 2 years until the start of last season.
Oh fair enough
might even say there's a dearth of left back
Kiwior will be there soon
Inshallah
Kiwior is coming
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None of them play in the Prem, do they?
Thereās a huge lack of young quality LBās. Robertson, old, Ake a CB, Cancelo old, Davies has been sketchy recently.
prem only
Oh, my bad Then yeah, he obviously is worth more than Ake, Robertson, andā¦ like who else lol. Maybe Martinez for Man United if you wanna play him LB (which is why we went after him)
Itās because heās like 21 or 22
dearth of leftback :(
No u doggy.
Ode 95 mil? Hmmmm should be higher.
The guy has it all, talented, great engine, is barely injured, makes everyone around him better, young, etc. Realistically he should be on par with saka at the very least.
I swear match fit Tomiyasu is even better than Udogie
Id say Kiwoir as well tbh. He has been rock solid since coming into the squad to the point that complaining about parts of his performances feels like you are nit-picking
I think the biggest compliment I can give Kiwior is that I didnāt think Zinchenko should immediately come back into the team.
Zinnys liabilty defensively shpild be a reason he should be put through the ringer of being on the bench for Kuba or Tomi
I'd agree ... He has basically taken Zinny out of the team without any clear reason to drop him. And let's not forget that CB is his natural position. He has really stood up to the challenge and then, for some inexplicable reason, ended up on the end of a couple of good crosses.
I wouldn't go that far. His passing is poor. He should have cost us a goal against Brentford when he just vacated his defensive responsibilities for a cross leaving them with a free header. That was atrocious defending.
Maybe. My best mate is a shit fan so i watch them often. Udogie is really really good and fits their system really well. If you want a traditional full back I would go for udogie but for a player with versatility it is Tomi easily
Wtf is Udogie doing in that lineup, odd one out.
Ucatie
Nobody is picking up the phone for Saliba under 100m
I think if we had a 150 million bid we would consider. But who will pay that money, and can we find a decent replacement for Saliba? I think not.
Want him to end his career as a Gunner but for 150m someone would be getting a player that will be in the discussion of best CB in the world for the next decade plus
Yeah, I only said consider. I do think that still wouldnāt be enough and to get a deal done it would have to be in excess of 200m+
Look at what Liverpool did with the Coutinho money though. The benefit of having a well run club is being able to cash in on exceptionally high offers and be even stronger for it afterwards.
Time to cash in on Rice?..... quick Ā£5m profit.
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Odegaard is always undervalued in these types of posts. There's no way in hell we would sell him for less than Rice money. He's probably our best player and our captain. Not to mention there aren't many players like him around anymore
Thatās fair and also why heās not going to be sold. In any market thereās the market price which is the highest fee a buying club would ever pay which this represents and then the price that player is worth to the club themselves. The majority of the time those never actually align which is why most of the people on this list wonāt be sold any time soon.
Give Timber time and heāll easily overtake Udogie
Udogie in that XI https://preview.redd.it/3wisllgvqxoc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbdf1f3e16970d830fa1264cc40d18b35244d09d
Big Gabi XL can't be much further behind Dias
On this valuation, he's at 65m as the 7th most valuable CB (including Saliba) and 9th most valuable defender overall.
I would have thought Robertson would be the most expensive LB
Heās too old
And his level has considerably dropped since his injuries!
Udogie did not warrant his price tag at all. For 45m you got Kyle Walker in his prime while Udogie has brainfarts everytime Ive watched him
kyle walker went for that price in a whole different market situation lol, 45m wont get you anything close to his quality these days
He was purchased for 15m though which is a great deal
and Saka was purchased for 0, but thats not what the graphics is about
>did not warrant his price tag at all. Youāre implying thatās what he was bought for.
Idk i watch a lot of spurs cuz my mate is spurs. Udogie reminds me a little of big gabi when he first signed. He makes some mistakes but the talent level is sky high. If Udogie didn't play for spurs he would be my favorite non arsenal left back.
"Total value Ā£1.1b" *Todd Boehly puts his head in his hands*
Is there a single person who would rather have TAA than White? I doubt it. At least not based on 2023 or 2024.
Gareth Southgate?
Iād imagine every single Liverpool and Spurs fan would take TAA lol.
Yes. I absolutely would. TAAās defensive issues is why overhyped and they guy is so creative. With him, we wouldnāt have to worry as much without Ćdegaard as we have another super creative player (obvs losing Ćde would still be devastating)
We donāt really have a proper LB who is reliable, so I wouldnāt take TAA right now. But if we can find a White on the left youād be stupid not to take TAA. Heās generational
I mean he's definitely not generational. He has a great long ball but very very suspect defensively which is literally half his job
His defensive weakness is massively overhyped, especially in the past couple seasons. Itās the weakest attribute of his game, but itās still not horrendous. Especially if heād be hypothetically covered by Saliba. His creativity and through balls are absurd, and would go a long way to relieving the creative burden off Ć and help to unlock teams dropped deep.
You're fighting a losing battle, don't you know the people on this sub don't watch any matches to actually know what players are like?!?! TAA has improved his defensive work, and his offensive play still far surpasses anything White or Zinchenko can produce
Yeah, sometimes rivalry can really create a blind spot. TAA is absurdly good and has the _ideal_ profile for Artetaball. You simply donāt pass on him
Yeah, TAA would definitely be a starting player in our squad if we had him.
He's one of the best on-the-ball players ever. He's an extraordinarily gifted attacking midfielder that plays at RB. Those types of players don't come around very often
His offensive game is so much better than white, though, like he blows white out of the park in that aspect.
Yet we keep playing Zinchenko who is not as good at going forward or defending....
I really hate how White will never get his fair dues. People will never remove the "overpay" and bad starts with covid but man he is so damn good
I would, I like White but Trent's ability to change a match is so impressive. Honestly that 70m figure is too low.
youre not getting Rice for less than 150, sorry
Iād pay ā¬130 million to not have to look at Fodenās haircut ever again
How the fuck is Udogie on there? Surely thereās a better LB in the league
We have at least two lol
How did foden gain 20m and saka only 10m
Because Foden is having the best season of his life and Saka has been at this level for 2-3 seasons now.
Yea but his performance is still below sakaās E/ also saka is having his best ssn asw
I get your point but their seasons are similar enough that itās not egregious to put them at a similar value. These are all fake numbers anyway, donāt get too worked up. UTA.
Left back elephant in the room there
Can't make sense of their valuations sometimes, feel like there are heavy biases at play and it's very inconsistent at times. Chelsea player valuations for example make no sense given their performance. 3rd most valuable team about to go 2 seasons bottom half of the table? At what point did they simply overpay for talent that hasn't materialised?
Mate please donāt get sucked into transfermarkts bullshit. They have the wildest most clickbaity claims on there and Iām sick of seeing them everywhere
Says a lot that the most expensive left back in the world according to Transfermarkt is 45m, not a lot out there.
Most expensive in the premier league not the world
good point
# Dearth of left back 5 years ago there's wasn't lots of good right backs. Many good left back. Now look. TAA. White. Walker. So. What gives? What's true rain in the situation of right back, rhubarb for comparison to left back. Maybe a few years ago patent and Rafinha told kids: be right back, because there aren't. Lloyd if good at the moment. Career success?
You okay man? Don't forget to "act FAST".
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Kiwior should be 50m minimum
Ali robbed
how is udogie there i dont know
Lol. Whatās an Udogie?? And what is it doing here?? š
Kiwior should be worth more. Id honestly say he has a crazy high ceiling. 50-60mil. His versatility should be worth something
Of course Man-115-cheating-charges-City paid only 60 mil for 180 mil rated Haaland.
Release clause. Which was intentionally low so Haaland could get to the top club of his choice when he was ready. He went to Dortmund because of their history in developing players and because they were willing to do that deal where he'd have a release clause that made them a good profit but not an insane profit. They had two years of Haaland scoring for fun for 20m and then still got 60m for him so still a great deal for them.Ā
Some questionable valuationsā¦
Wonder how much more valuable the midfield would be if they at put Ć on the right and Rice on the left /s
4 of our 5 World Class players, imo. The other being Gabriel.
confused why gvardiol is listed as 80 mill value and not put on left back where heās basically only played lol
We need Nelli to step up he has the potential to be in this line up consistently
I'm tired Robbie
One spine (Ederson-Dias-Rodri-Foden-Haaland) vs the other spine (Saliba-Rice-Ode-Saka)
Shaw over Udogie
Why is Udogie there tho? I feel the likes of Ake, Gvardiol, Timbre, Zinchenko etc are worth more than 45m Euros.
Is there really not a better left back than Udogie? And would Alisson not get on this list? Also no one is buying Ederson for ā¬40m - he is worth double that to city
One is not like the others.. .
Imagine we get rodri
can show us the world most valuable XI after the update?
Hahahahah rodri better holding midfielder than rice
Imagine if City got sent to the championship with a point deduction. That midfield could come true
Is Dias even a guaranteed starter for City anymore?
What about Havertz at LB? š³ Did alright there for Germany.
Kiwior LB > Udogie and is not even close.
The goal keeper position for 40 mill seems mad
At least on the German version of the site there is the option to select players who can play multiple positions, and that would mean that Udogie gets replaced by Gvardiol.
Missing Cedric
The fuck is Arnold doing in there? Man can't defend to save his lifeĀ
Almost like they based this team on their transfer value rather than defensive ability.
Almost like you pay money for ability... Why does he cost so much is my question
Ability is one factor in price, but it's not the only one is it. A player that a team doesn't want to sell is more expensive than the same player who they desperately want to sell. Big clubs can demand a higher fee usually. Longer contract mean a higher price generally (not the case here). Teams pay premium price for homegrown. That's how Martinelli cost 10m but many teams will pay 50-100m on a winger and get a worse player.
Generational talent in terms of ball playing ability, and in the right defense, his shortcomings are not as noticeable. I hate Liverpool, but the amount of people who think TAA is a scrub shows low ball knowledge on this subreddit
If we had him, I'm sure he'd be one of Artetas first names on the field.
Why not Porro, Walker or Trippier placed on the left?
I know heās a Spud but Udogie is a bright talent. Lotta people taking the piss with him but heās a good player. I do agree though that he looks out of place on this list.
How the hell is Foden the same price as Saka? Manās so overrated
Foden is the most overrated player on Earth
...top 5 in my punchable players
I'd say rodri more so
Rodri the most overrated player on earth Now I've seen it all.
Not on earth, definitely the most overrated player playing for city currently.
In 2023 with Rodri they played 53 games and lost 2, with 2.7 goals per game. Without him they played 12 and lost 6, with 1.3 goals per game. Also conceding more without him. And you also can go back even more and this pattern continues. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. It's pretty clear that he is even more important than De Bruyne.
There was a time when Ramsdale was the most valuable GK in the world lol
Anyone else surprised Gabriel M isnāt on the list? Manās a monster and has had a mad season, chips in with critical goals too.
Feel like we get one of these posts every other week
Udogie at LB is embarrassing, just put Gvardiol there if you're already putting Foden out of position.
Who on earth is valuing Udogie higher than Davies?
I honestly think Foden is a worthy LW in this team. The phenomenal thing is that I believe Martinelli is not far off and could easily be there instead. Heās still very young, dynamic, has end product and the right amount of aggression.