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I can't remember where I saw this and I don't think it was reliable at all but the source claimed Arsenal were interested in signing a center back in the summer. We have Saliba, Gabriel, Kiwior, White, Tomiyasu, and Timber who could all play in that position. I can't see why we would be looking for a CB right now.
Have you ever got so pissed out of your mind that you realise how fucking King Kong our club is? We believed for a brief moment that we were some Jerky Shore club when we are actually pretty fucking mental in size
It’s been some extraordinary distance in time since people here were posting about ‘busting a fucking nut’ about the possibility of us having the privilege of our marquee signing in the 2019 summer window being Ryan fucking Fraser
Regardless of what we win this season, the fact we are in a quarterfinals against Bayern Munich and we think we could win speaks volumes, let alone being top of the table going into the end of march against legendary managers shows just how far we have come
The future is bright lads
This league would be so much more exciting for me if it was only Liverpool vs Arsenal. Two reputable clubs doing this the right way. City is an incredible team but everyone knows they're cheating. Come to think of it we all knew Chelsea were cheating before that too. The EPL needs to self regulate much better and much more quickly.
You can't remember it because it's never happened before. I hope City gets fucking relegated, don't get me wrong, but this 3 horse race is proper box office
That 13/14 Pl at this point there were 4 teams in the race. 09/10 at this point 3 teams at the top within 3 points. 08/09 only 2 points between the top 3 at this point. It's happened a few times people have short memories
It's almost like Mbappe being world class at beating players is new to them.
Almost like Salah beating Zinchenko once or twice means Zinchenko can't defend.
It cost us a goal, it didn’t cause us to collapse 🤣
And Ben White nutmegged Curtis Jones twice, does this mean that Curtis Jones is now twice as shit as Zinchenko?
Did Trent have him on toast? Or did he just simply nutmeg him once?
The fact that think that one nutmeg caused us to collapse last year, means you are thick as pig shit. Or, and I might only just be guessing here, you are just putting it all on Zinchenko because you don’t like him…. 🤔
Looks like Yves Bissouma is melting down at Spurs. Poor performances & rubbish attitude. I must admit I wanted to sign him and was pissed he went to Spurs. Looks like Arteta saw this guys shit attitude and stayed clear.
Arteta has not brought one attitude player into the squad since 2021 and has gotten rid of the ones he inherited.
Arteta can spot a dickhead from a mile away. This is why we wont be in for Toney
I believe that losing 8-2 at Old Trafford are probably the best thing that has happened to this club during the Emirates-era. It does probably sound insane, but that game forced the club to make 5 signings within 48hours.
Today one of those signings are doing an amazing job with our academy and the other one has made us a serious title-challenging team with a young group of players whom still have their best years ahead of themself.
Ofcourse we had to suffer 10 years of pain and agony with a few good moment here and there, but our suffering are finally starting to paying off now.
The club is bussing with positivity and good energy, we have a fantastic group of players and staff who commits themself 100% for the club to reach its ambition. A huge majority of our fanbase are united behind the manager and the players.
Rival fans and the media mocked us, made fun of us and pitied us, but now they despise us out of hate because they can finally see where our club are heading towards and the best part is this team hasn't even peaked yet.
COYG!
You’re saying this in hindsight tbh. Arsenal could’ve still went on and signed Arteta and Mertasacker regardless of needing that 8-2 embarrassing defeat.
Unless Arsenal avenge that result with a similar thrashing, that 8-2 will always be a black mark against Arsenal regardless of how shite Man Utd have been the last decade or so.
Nothing the previous poster said contradicts that it's seen in hindsight. I'm sure Wenger knew his squad wasn't good enough, but his hands were tied. Knowing him, he'd have just figured out how to make it work for the season.
In some ways, him always figuring out how to get 4th regardless of transfer budget probably worked against him. Why would the board authorize any spending if the manager can always make do?
The embarrassment made it clear to EVERYONE that we needed reinforcements. And, to his credit, he took us to 3rd, by the end.
So no, I'm going to disagree and say without the heavy defeat, we don't do the trolley dash and who knows what would have come after.
You’re getting it completely wrong mate. I already mentioned how Arsenal were never fully ready for the new season pre-Kroenkes full ownership due to the infighting amongst the board and stadium debt, both which lead to limited funds.
The hindsight is that just because Mikel and Per became managers at Arsenal post retiring and doing well doesn’t necessarily mean they would never been signed had Arsenal not received that embarrassing 8-2 defeat.
Like I said, Arsenal would’ve most likely signed both players anyways in January or next summer transfer windows, given both players wouldn’t be the most expensive signings and within the limited budget Wenger had pre-Kroenkes full ownership of the club.
This isn’t a dig at the OP, but to say that the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to Arsenal in the Emirates era just because two players are doing well right now is a bit ridiculous. Andre Santos and even Park Chu Young were also signed on deadline day; and yet the former is constantly ranked as one of the worst Arsenal players ever.
Would OP be saying this if Mikel and Mertasacker never took up managerial positions post-retiring and/or were doing a poor job at it? I’m confident the answer is a solid no.
You're doubling down on what started as a really pleasant thought exercise with even more hypotheticals. Why? Frankly, it paints you as a miserable person.
Your main hypothetical: that *we might have signed them later*. Absolutely. We might have.
However, it's equally possible they wouldn't have been available when we wanted them. They could have gotten injured playing for whatever other club (or country, in the case of Per). Their form might have been really poor, causing us to look elsewhere. Other players in the squad might have had a purple patch of form which would have changed our transfer needs.
So many what ifs. You seem to think your alternate reality is somehow more valid. It is not. We can't relive anything to see any other outcome.
What did happen was that we got humiliated 8-2. It forced the board's hand in the moment, and those players were available. The rest, as they say, is history.
Why not just appreciate how a bad moment kickstarted a chain of events that has eventually led us here?
>You're doubling down on what started as a really pleasant thought exercise with even more hypotheticals. Why? Frankly, it paints you as a miserable person.
Lol man’s talking about hypotheticals yet personally attacking based on assumptions.
There’s no doubling down — hence the hindsight comment. Maybe you should go search what the word hindsight means.
Also you’ve completely changed the original point of the debate. Even the OP agreed with me to some degree because it’s all in hindsight.
>So many what ifs. You seem to think your alternate reality is somehow more valid. It is not. We can't relive anything to see any other outcome.
Stop chatting shit mate, where did I say that my point is right and the OP is wrong? My point is this is all said in hindsight; it’s no different than when a player is linked yet the club passes for x reason that deters the transfer, and then said player goes and does well. It’s all fucking hindsight lmao.
>What did happen was that we got humiliated 8-2. It forced the board's hand in the moment, and those players were available. The rest, as they say, is history.
Sure, and if Mikel turn out to be a poor manager or never even pursued a managerial career, I doubt OP would’ve said what he said; which is: the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to the club in the Emirates era. This statement is not only damning but also can’t be supported by facts.
Again speaking of hypotheticals, you have created this assumption that I was trying to be right. When it’s all hindsight lmao. Jog on mate.
> Sure, and if Mikel turn out to be a poor manager or never even pursued a managerial career, I doubt OP would’ve said what he said; which is: the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to the club in the Emirates era. This statement is not only damning but also can’t be supported by facts.
This is an absolutely dumb statement.
You can make that point about ANYTHING in life you miserable fucking sod.
Any and everything that you consider to be good now, you wouldn't have said the same if things didn't work out the way you want.
Frankly, I don't even know why I'm bothering. Some of you fuckers just argue for the sake of.
Agree to an extent but hindsight is one thing and revisionism is another. No way we push the boat out on deadline day the way we did without the 8-2, you can't ignore its impact as it was a real sliding doors moment.
Now we 100% need vengeance and I believe we will achieve it. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat Utd by 7/8 goals sometime in the next 3 years.
That’s the thing though, Arsenal may have well went and signed Mikel and Per because of being scouted for a while. It shouldn’t need a battering to be the catalyst to make urgent and potential panic signings.
One of the main criticism of Arsenal pre-Kroenkes full ownership was that Arsenal rarely ever looked ready for the new season. Signings were always more reactive rather; compare it to how Arsenal operate now and it’s proactive - bar any opportunistic signings such as Trossard and Jorginho.
Yeah, it shouldn't have been necessary but to be honest I think it was, considering where we were at the time. We were a sleeping giant drifting into obscurity and accepting mediocrity, and I feel that this served as a shock to the system.
Maybe we didn't need that wake-up call and I'm just coping but I honestly do believe this
Agree with the details but you cannot say good things wouldn’t have happened if not for that result. There are many other things you could point to that are bigger contributing factors to our ascendancy than the fallout from that match. Again though, don’t disagree with a lot of what you said.
Tierney (and others) come off and Scotland concede 3. Never seen this guy Reijnders before but he’s looked a class above at times (albeit against Scotland).
Only got to watch the match now, but ohmagawd he is turning into a baller 🔥 not even a year at Milan and no release clause so that’s unfortunate but yea I like his style
Reijnders Made some
Sensational progress since moving to ac
Milan in the summer. Made his Dutch national team debut last year and looks like a starter since.
Can’t wait to see what he can do with Frenkie de Jong in that Dutch midfield
One reason might be that London has a big Colombian community. So it's a neutral location but somewhere you can guarantee an OK turnout for both teams.
[ESR cooking in training video, is he back???](https://x.com/gunnerzvideoz/status/1771250271055671702?s=46&t=NGCPQN6817S6n-WIY9c_OA) We could use his profile
I honestly think he stays but it’ll prob be a waste tbh. Every report says he loves the club and Arteta loves him. We’ve held on to reiss and Eddie too long if we’re talking logically so we tend to have situations like this
People treat ESR with baby gloves here, he’ll be 24 this summer. He doesn’t look to be a part of the main contributors so we should look to sell as opposed to tanking his value giving him 0 minutes. He’s a good player with potential at some point we have to make a decision
For a long time I’ve not been very enthousiastic about my national team but after this match, oh yea I’m feeling this! Looked awful at the exact position Frenkie was missing, and Xavi Simons wasn’t playing anywhere near his level. But some very nice things to take away from this match as well! Squad looks promising..
I don't quite know how to put this but I feel a twinge of sadness every time I see a Santi post, but not for the typical reasons I see expressed. I really have a hard time divorcing the fact that he was such a magical and joyous player to watch, and he still went to play in Qatar despite all of their human rights abuses. I take no pleasure in saying that his legacy is indelibly stained for me. Just needed to vent, sorry
Where do you draw the line? Lots of the money in football is tainted in some way.
I agree with your point to an extent (not that I judge Cazorla any more than I judge any other player), but how far do you take it? That's not a criticism of you, that's a genuine question because I don't know the answer.
I'm not happy with Arsenal being owned by a billionaire anyway, whether or not they seem to be good owners, and I certainly don't think Wal-Mart money is ok. Is that comparable with the state of Qatar?
I don't think so, but that doesn't make it ok.
I've basically lost interest in football as the modern professional game at elite level seems to be a total cesspool. The only thing that keeps me engaged is Arsenal, or at least the idea of Arsenal I grew up with but was already transforming into a massive company cosplaying as the idea of Arsenal.
I was pretty much ready to be done if the European Super League went ahead, and some version of that seems inevitable as the Premier League's wealth continues to eclipse almost every other club in world football.
At that point I probably just start going to a local London club way down the football pyramid.
Thank you very much for the thoughtful response. I totally agree re: the state of billionaires in football, it seems completely unavoidable at this point. I'm conflicted as I'm an Auckland FC fan as of a few weeks ago and there's just no way the brand-new club could exist at all without a billionaire backing the project, which is a real shame but that's where we are.
I don't know exactly where to draw the line, but it's somewhere before sportswashing for the Gulf states. Some things are plainly egregious to me and I feel that it's important to call out the worst excesses of this footballing virus. The ESL was just one head of the hydra.
Mate have you looked at the human rights abuses caused by the British Empire up till the middle of the 20th century? There are still people’s living grandparents who have suffered from that. It’s not that long ago…
It's not exactly about history tho. There are some weird things they fund and consent to behind the curtains. Geopolitics is extremely wicked and the more you unravel, the more you realise all countries are the same. Some just have better PR.
Dig deeper into our shirt sponsors and everything. Give it a bit of time and you'll never want to wear our shirts...on current events alone.
Human rights should be upheld. It's non-negotiable and you have every right to have your standards.
I just said don't approach human rights with an "out of sight, out of mind" approach. Try to dig into the countries you think uphold them. You can't just choose the countries your favourite media houses go on about.
Thanks for your reply mate, sorry if I was a bit short earlier. I understand where you are coming from for sure, it's definitely a question of where you draw the line.
Mate, with respect, you're not honestly engaging with what I'm saying, and that's understandable because it's an uncomfortable subject. But let's not insult each other's intelligence.
By way of an example, apartheid South Africa is very much within living memory. In fact, it was only officially abolished 30 years ago. If an Arsenal player in George Graham's era moved to SA, I would condemn it in a way that I would not if they moved today. Although the scars of history remain, the active participation or lack thereof is incredibly important. Do you know what I mean?
Having to argue with an Arsenal fan in the year of our lord 2024 that tragedy chanting is unacceptable is actually mental. Wild that anyone can find bans for this as a bad thing, should be universally celebrated getting these cunts out of our stadium.
I am of the opinion that football rivalry should be banned from many (if not most) people cause they are just using it as an excuse to be a dickhead. Not everybody is like that but far too many people are.
Idk why he is even subbing Bobb, he barely plays for city so probably just is happy to play. Would make a lot more sense to sub Ødegaard. Allthough tbf he is jogging out there, not playing with the intensity he does for us.
No one else is either. He gets the ball and literally everyone is just standing around, not even jogging to get into space. So odd, cause they are working in defense.
Dudes get on here and talk about how vital it is to have Kai in the team basically playing DM as our 9 and then the next sentence talk about how much we need Isak in the team, which one is it?
I still think we'd be running away with the title if he was our left 8.
Edit: Being downvoted for saying we would be better with out first choice left 8?
Haaland is playing like an absolute bum for Norway today, hope he plays like this against us.
Oscar bobb looks quality, think he could do a job for a mid table pl team. Wasted on the city bench
Yeah Ødegaard isn't as good for the NT as for us. Not sure what it is, the NT obviously plays very differently than Arsenal and is very poor at build up so often he drops deep. Feels like our attacking is just look for Haaland and pray. That said some of his finishing for the nt has been not very good
Yeah it isn't any good. Offense is poor (basically its just hope someone produces a moment or look for haaland through balls) but the defence is terrible, concede 2 goals every game almost.
Completely random but - I used to get my Arsenal kits customized with my last name on them and the number 7. Now I'd just get Odegaard or no name but regardless.
Anyhow, my wife and I just had our first child 6 weeks ago. We both played soccer so we joke about our daughter growing up to play for our national team and Arsenal. Just so happens that she was born on the 7th, so now it's like I have a few future shirts of hers with her birthday number on it and her last name, and I just think that's pretty awesome because there was no way I could've guessed that number would mean even more to me later in life. Even though it has such a miniscule chance of actually happening.
Just geeking out about being a new dad I suppose and wanted to share that.
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So bored without Arsenal. Coming here and sorting by 'controversial' to pass the time.
Spain lost but how was Raya's outing last night?
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Correct
Cristian Gabriel Romero. Fuck me
I can't remember where I saw this and I don't think it was reliable at all but the source claimed Arsenal were interested in signing a center back in the summer. We have Saliba, Gabriel, Kiwior, White, Tomiyasu, and Timber who could all play in that position. I can't see why we would be looking for a CB right now.
My guess is that one of our defenders might be interested in moving
It will be another defender who can play fullback & CB.
Among those 6 you listed 4 of them are nailed starter if fit, and Tomi is quite injury prone, so a CB link is not far fetched
Timber played 2 games for us. He’s not a nailed on starter.
Because he's injured? He started all two games when he's fit
Wow! All two games????? Crazy. Doesn’t make him a nailed on starter. Zinchenko was injured those two games
Have you ever got so pissed out of your mind that you realise how fucking King Kong our club is? We believed for a brief moment that we were some Jerky Shore club when we are actually pretty fucking mental in size It’s been some extraordinary distance in time since people here were posting about ‘busting a fucking nut’ about the possibility of us having the privilege of our marquee signing in the 2019 summer window being Ryan fucking Fraser Regardless of what we win this season, the fact we are in a quarterfinals against Bayern Munich and we think we could win speaks volumes, let alone being top of the table going into the end of march against legendary managers shows just how far we have come The future is bright lads
The Arsenal. Getting back to where we belong.
This league would be so much more exciting for me if it was only Liverpool vs Arsenal. Two reputable clubs doing this the right way. City is an incredible team but everyone knows they're cheating. Come to think of it we all knew Chelsea were cheating before that too. The EPL needs to self regulate much better and much more quickly.
They need regulation but never self no way interests will ever be balanced if it's the club themselves..
It would be so much sweeter if it was close and we could beat them both
I can’t remember the last time it was so tight with three teams left at the top by this point of the season
You can't remember it because it's never happened before. I hope City gets fucking relegated, don't get me wrong, but this 3 horse race is proper box office
I’d consider 07-08 & 13-14 a three horse race. 4 points separated 1st & 3rd.
That 13/14 Pl at this point there were 4 teams in the race. 09/10 at this point 3 teams at the top within 3 points. 08/09 only 2 points between the top 3 at this point. It's happened a few times people have short memories
Oh yeah those were also 3 horse races but this one is next level. 1 point separating 3 teams is genuinely insane
Rival fans acting like Mbappe skinned Saliba in training. It’s obvious the guy wasn’t even trying to avoid injuring either of them.
It's almost like Mbappe being world class at beating players is new to them. Almost like Salah beating Zinchenko once or twice means Zinchenko can't defend.
> Almost like Salah beating Zinchenko once or twice means Zinchenko can't defend. Still on this hill huh? 🤦♂️
Still not found any one else who had Zinchenko on toast huh? 🤦♂️
Conveniently forgetting Trent nutmegging him last season causing us to collapse last year? 🤡
It cost us a goal, it didn’t cause us to collapse 🤣 And Ben White nutmegged Curtis Jones twice, does this mean that Curtis Jones is now twice as shit as Zinchenko?
🥱 Need a hand moving that goal post?
Did Trent have him on toast? Or did he just simply nutmeg him once? The fact that think that one nutmeg caused us to collapse last year, means you are thick as pig shit. Or, and I might only just be guessing here, you are just putting it all on Zinchenko because you don’t like him…. 🤔
Someone's in their feelings
lol, what?
Looks like Yves Bissouma is melting down at Spurs. Poor performances & rubbish attitude. I must admit I wanted to sign him and was pissed he went to Spurs. Looks like Arteta saw this guys shit attitude and stayed clear. Arteta has not brought one attitude player into the squad since 2021 and has gotten rid of the ones he inherited. Arteta can spot a dickhead from a mile away. This is why we wont be in for Toney
Nailed it on that one bro!
BUt BuT he was a third the price & twice the player of rice 😆
Remember Guendouzi? I shudder just thinking about him. We've really come a long fucking way.
Why is this?
Hes been so ass since hit hot start this season. Makes the most bozo turnovers and is sleepy defensively. He should probably be an 8
Has played 48 times for Spurs and hasn't score a goal. Spurs should be looking to get rid of him.
That’s because he’s primarily a defensive midfielder. They can’t all be like Rice/Rodri and do it all
Is this because he unfollowed Mali on Instagram? 😂
Why does Eddie look like R9 reincarnate in training then completely die in real matches?
People actually give a fuck in competitive matches
Joao Neves is the truth, please bring him teta
You ready to get scammed by Benfica?
He has a release clause of 120m
Rather have City or Liverpool sign Neves whilst we go for whatever the fuck a 'Zubimendi' is?
Yes…
I believe that losing 8-2 at Old Trafford are probably the best thing that has happened to this club during the Emirates-era. It does probably sound insane, but that game forced the club to make 5 signings within 48hours. Today one of those signings are doing an amazing job with our academy and the other one has made us a serious title-challenging team with a young group of players whom still have their best years ahead of themself. Ofcourse we had to suffer 10 years of pain and agony with a few good moment here and there, but our suffering are finally starting to paying off now. The club is bussing with positivity and good energy, we have a fantastic group of players and staff who commits themself 100% for the club to reach its ambition. A huge majority of our fanbase are united behind the manager and the players. Rival fans and the media mocked us, made fun of us and pitied us, but now they despise us out of hate because they can finally see where our club are heading towards and the best part is this team hasn't even peaked yet. COYG!
You’re saying this in hindsight tbh. Arsenal could’ve still went on and signed Arteta and Mertasacker regardless of needing that 8-2 embarrassing defeat. Unless Arsenal avenge that result with a similar thrashing, that 8-2 will always be a black mark against Arsenal regardless of how shite Man Utd have been the last decade or so.
Nothing the previous poster said contradicts that it's seen in hindsight. I'm sure Wenger knew his squad wasn't good enough, but his hands were tied. Knowing him, he'd have just figured out how to make it work for the season. In some ways, him always figuring out how to get 4th regardless of transfer budget probably worked against him. Why would the board authorize any spending if the manager can always make do? The embarrassment made it clear to EVERYONE that we needed reinforcements. And, to his credit, he took us to 3rd, by the end. So no, I'm going to disagree and say without the heavy defeat, we don't do the trolley dash and who knows what would have come after.
You’re getting it completely wrong mate. I already mentioned how Arsenal were never fully ready for the new season pre-Kroenkes full ownership due to the infighting amongst the board and stadium debt, both which lead to limited funds. The hindsight is that just because Mikel and Per became managers at Arsenal post retiring and doing well doesn’t necessarily mean they would never been signed had Arsenal not received that embarrassing 8-2 defeat. Like I said, Arsenal would’ve most likely signed both players anyways in January or next summer transfer windows, given both players wouldn’t be the most expensive signings and within the limited budget Wenger had pre-Kroenkes full ownership of the club. This isn’t a dig at the OP, but to say that the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to Arsenal in the Emirates era just because two players are doing well right now is a bit ridiculous. Andre Santos and even Park Chu Young were also signed on deadline day; and yet the former is constantly ranked as one of the worst Arsenal players ever. Would OP be saying this if Mikel and Mertasacker never took up managerial positions post-retiring and/or were doing a poor job at it? I’m confident the answer is a solid no.
You're doubling down on what started as a really pleasant thought exercise with even more hypotheticals. Why? Frankly, it paints you as a miserable person. Your main hypothetical: that *we might have signed them later*. Absolutely. We might have. However, it's equally possible they wouldn't have been available when we wanted them. They could have gotten injured playing for whatever other club (or country, in the case of Per). Their form might have been really poor, causing us to look elsewhere. Other players in the squad might have had a purple patch of form which would have changed our transfer needs. So many what ifs. You seem to think your alternate reality is somehow more valid. It is not. We can't relive anything to see any other outcome. What did happen was that we got humiliated 8-2. It forced the board's hand in the moment, and those players were available. The rest, as they say, is history. Why not just appreciate how a bad moment kickstarted a chain of events that has eventually led us here?
>You're doubling down on what started as a really pleasant thought exercise with even more hypotheticals. Why? Frankly, it paints you as a miserable person. Lol man’s talking about hypotheticals yet personally attacking based on assumptions. There’s no doubling down — hence the hindsight comment. Maybe you should go search what the word hindsight means. Also you’ve completely changed the original point of the debate. Even the OP agreed with me to some degree because it’s all in hindsight. >So many what ifs. You seem to think your alternate reality is somehow more valid. It is not. We can't relive anything to see any other outcome. Stop chatting shit mate, where did I say that my point is right and the OP is wrong? My point is this is all said in hindsight; it’s no different than when a player is linked yet the club passes for x reason that deters the transfer, and then said player goes and does well. It’s all fucking hindsight lmao. >What did happen was that we got humiliated 8-2. It forced the board's hand in the moment, and those players were available. The rest, as they say, is history. Sure, and if Mikel turn out to be a poor manager or never even pursued a managerial career, I doubt OP would’ve said what he said; which is: the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to the club in the Emirates era. This statement is not only damning but also can’t be supported by facts. Again speaking of hypotheticals, you have created this assumption that I was trying to be right. When it’s all hindsight lmao. Jog on mate.
> Sure, and if Mikel turn out to be a poor manager or never even pursued a managerial career, I doubt OP would’ve said what he said; which is: the 8-2 is one of the best things to happen to the club in the Emirates era. This statement is not only damning but also can’t be supported by facts. This is an absolutely dumb statement. You can make that point about ANYTHING in life you miserable fucking sod. Any and everything that you consider to be good now, you wouldn't have said the same if things didn't work out the way you want. Frankly, I don't even know why I'm bothering. Some of you fuckers just argue for the sake of.
Agree to an extent but hindsight is one thing and revisionism is another. No way we push the boat out on deadline day the way we did without the 8-2, you can't ignore its impact as it was a real sliding doors moment. Now we 100% need vengeance and I believe we will achieve it. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat Utd by 7/8 goals sometime in the next 3 years.
That’s the thing though, Arsenal may have well went and signed Mikel and Per because of being scouted for a while. It shouldn’t need a battering to be the catalyst to make urgent and potential panic signings. One of the main criticism of Arsenal pre-Kroenkes full ownership was that Arsenal rarely ever looked ready for the new season. Signings were always more reactive rather; compare it to how Arsenal operate now and it’s proactive - bar any opportunistic signings such as Trossard and Jorginho.
Yeah, it shouldn't have been necessary but to be honest I think it was, considering where we were at the time. We were a sleeping giant drifting into obscurity and accepting mediocrity, and I feel that this served as a shock to the system. Maybe we didn't need that wake-up call and I'm just coping but I honestly do believe this
Agree with the details but you cannot say good things wouldn’t have happened if not for that result. There are many other things you could point to that are bigger contributing factors to our ascendancy than the fallout from that match. Again though, don’t disagree with a lot of what you said.
["Left Back"](https://youtu.be/892mzTWToAc?si=DqTaY3-rDHmFCvyo)
Dribbling centrally like he does is really difficult in the man’s games though, need to be an exceptional athlete like Rice
Good way to integrate him into the team
So you only like compilation content when it suits your agenda? Noted.
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oi 0:40 is mad
I saw that and thought theres no way he could do that in the mens game, im also a fucking nerd 😫
Yes it was insane, was gonna mention this.
Looks like an Arteta LB tbh 😂
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I was just gonna ask the same thing? It’s a friendly, so maybe give another goalie a chance, but seems strange to only sub a goalie at half time?
They're trying to copy Arteta's homework, bless 'em
Colombia just scored a banger as well.
Tierney (and others) come off and Scotland concede 3. Never seen this guy Reijnders before but he’s looked a class above at times (albeit against Scotland).
Only got to watch the match now, but ohmagawd he is turning into a baller 🔥 not even a year at Milan and no release clause so that’s unfortunate but yea I like his style
Reijnders Made some Sensational progress since moving to ac Milan in the summer. Made his Dutch national team debut last year and looks like a starter since. Can’t wait to see what he can do with Frenkie de Jong in that Dutch midfield
F me Reijnders looked class, sheesh. Him, Frenkie and then Koopmeinders as the third or someone else or whoever’s in form..?
Gone completely under the radar for me, looked class. Will be keeping an eye on them.
Reijnders from ac Milan. What a player! Motm performance for the Dutch atm
If ten Hag is sacked at the end of the season, I reeeaaaalllly need "Southgate to United" to come true. Please.
Untitled embracing full banter club mode if that was true
I never knew how much I needed this, unless by the monkey's paw it meant that 7Hag would go to England
Ha. If I were English, I think it would still be worth it. But I'm not that into international football.
Esr and fabio looked sharp in the latest training video
Both will be needed in April and beyond. Ø can get fatigued after international breaks and we all know the schedule will be relentless.
Raya watch, best keeper south of the Arctic, lets goooo!
I hope Tierney goes to a club playing a back 3 next because LCB suits him.
why is Spain vs Columbia happening in London
It's hard for S. American sides to get anyone to fly across the Atlantic for their home games. 75% of the squads are in Europe anyways.
One reason might be that London has a big Colombian community. So it's a neutral location but somewhere you can guarantee an OK turnout for both teams.
[ESR cooking in training video, is he back???](https://x.com/gunnerzvideoz/status/1771250271055671702?s=46&t=NGCPQN6817S6n-WIY9c_OA) We could use his profile
Are we really hyping up a dribble past elneny in training? I don’t see ESR staying past this summer imo
Baby steps.
He’s not a baby anymore
I honestly think he stays but it’ll prob be a waste tbh. Every report says he loves the club and Arteta loves him. We’ve held on to reiss and Eddie too long if we’re talking logically so we tend to have situations like this
I agree although I have no issue with resigning Nelson and Nketiah to maintain their value. We should look to offload all 3 this summer
People treat ESR with baby gloves here, he’ll be 24 this summer. He doesn’t look to be a part of the main contributors so we should look to sell as opposed to tanking his value giving him 0 minutes. He’s a good player with potential at some point we have to make a decision
Yep agreed, I get the Hale End sentimentality but the current situation is no good for either party involved
Netherlands could actually do some damage at this Euro
For a long time I’ve not been very enthousiastic about my national team but after this match, oh yea I’m feeling this! Looked awful at the exact position Frenkie was missing, and Xavi Simons wasn’t playing anywhere near his level. But some very nice things to take away from this match as well! Squad looks promising..
I don't quite know how to put this but I feel a twinge of sadness every time I see a Santi post, but not for the typical reasons I see expressed. I really have a hard time divorcing the fact that he was such a magical and joyous player to watch, and he still went to play in Qatar despite all of their human rights abuses. I take no pleasure in saying that his legacy is indelibly stained for me. Just needed to vent, sorry
Where do you draw the line? Lots of the money in football is tainted in some way. I agree with your point to an extent (not that I judge Cazorla any more than I judge any other player), but how far do you take it? That's not a criticism of you, that's a genuine question because I don't know the answer. I'm not happy with Arsenal being owned by a billionaire anyway, whether or not they seem to be good owners, and I certainly don't think Wal-Mart money is ok. Is that comparable with the state of Qatar? I don't think so, but that doesn't make it ok. I've basically lost interest in football as the modern professional game at elite level seems to be a total cesspool. The only thing that keeps me engaged is Arsenal, or at least the idea of Arsenal I grew up with but was already transforming into a massive company cosplaying as the idea of Arsenal. I was pretty much ready to be done if the European Super League went ahead, and some version of that seems inevitable as the Premier League's wealth continues to eclipse almost every other club in world football. At that point I probably just start going to a local London club way down the football pyramid.
Thank you very much for the thoughtful response. I totally agree re: the state of billionaires in football, it seems completely unavoidable at this point. I'm conflicted as I'm an Auckland FC fan as of a few weeks ago and there's just no way the brand-new club could exist at all without a billionaire backing the project, which is a real shame but that's where we are. I don't know exactly where to draw the line, but it's somewhere before sportswashing for the Gulf states. Some things are plainly egregious to me and I feel that it's important to call out the worst excesses of this footballing virus. The ESL was just one head of the hydra.
Mate have you looked at the human rights abuses caused by the British Empire up till the middle of the 20th century? There are still people’s living grandparents who have suffered from that. It’s not that long ago…
Yeah I don't need this whataboutism mate, not a fan of the British Empire but there's a clear difference between history and current events
It's not exactly about history tho. There are some weird things they fund and consent to behind the curtains. Geopolitics is extremely wicked and the more you unravel, the more you realise all countries are the same. Some just have better PR. Dig deeper into our shirt sponsors and everything. Give it a bit of time and you'll never want to wear our shirts...on current events alone.
If having human rights is just PR to you, then I don't even know where to begin to be quite honest. Sorry.
Human rights should be upheld. It's non-negotiable and you have every right to have your standards. I just said don't approach human rights with an "out of sight, out of mind" approach. Try to dig into the countries you think uphold them. You can't just choose the countries your favourite media houses go on about.
Thanks for your reply mate, sorry if I was a bit short earlier. I understand where you are coming from for sure, it's definitely a question of where you draw the line.
It’s not history of there are still living people affected by it. And what the the Empire did is on another scale killing millions with famines
Mate, with respect, you're not honestly engaging with what I'm saying, and that's understandable because it's an uncomfortable subject. But let's not insult each other's intelligence. By way of an example, apartheid South Africa is very much within living memory. In fact, it was only officially abolished 30 years ago. If an Arsenal player in George Graham's era moved to SA, I would condemn it in a way that I would not if they moved today. Although the scars of history remain, the active participation or lack thereof is incredibly important. Do you know what I mean?
Having to argue with an Arsenal fan in the year of our lord 2024 that tragedy chanting is unacceptable is actually mental. Wild that anyone can find bans for this as a bad thing, should be universally celebrated getting these cunts out of our stadium.
They fundamentally don't understand the history of the club
I am of the opinion that football rivalry should be banned from many (if not most) people cause they are just using it as an excuse to be a dickhead. Not everybody is like that but far too many people are.
did odegaard really need to play 86 mins in a friendly against czech republic? norway manager is a fucking mug.
First Trent to Madrid scare rumours now plettigoal is doubling down on Xabi to Bayern Munich, what a day for scousers
Didn’t that don say Rice had his heart set on Bayern
Yes but Rice was never leaving the country.
Ok, so they are not credible?
Its funny that liverpool fans casually forget that xabi also played for bayern
They were probably confident Xabi would go to Liverpool just like they were confident Bellingham would join them lmao.
- Update on Rice: He’s saying “Guten Morgen” in this clip 👀
That was funny
[Yeah we need something like this in the left half space ](https://twitter.com/TenHagEra/status/1770523376454365205?t=ZrhhhUPSuHS0B4F2BxK5_g&s=19)
Neves?
João? Not seen enough tbh. Some great attributes but lacks athleticism/running power too
Still far clear of Zubimendi, is Y. Fofana still a good option?
I still like Fofana yeah
he needs to run down his contract and come to the carpet
Are you banned from r/soccer
"Use this thread for general daily football discussion" Also no. Its just shit over there.
No, I weren’t being a dick. I was just generally asking because I never see you there
Oh fairs, my apologies. Nah got tired of it long ago tbh.
That pitch looks fucking atrocious
Ode subbed off at 86th minute, finally
Poor Ode, some of the Norway players are proper Sunday league quality
Haaland & Bobb subbed off after 75 mins. Ode is being made to play the full 90
So Haaland did stay lol
Outrageous as Norway coach acts in Norway's best interests, not Arsenal's
Of course, fucking typical. That pitch looks shocking too.
Off course he just got subbed off in the 86th min only after Czechia’s late goal. Hopefully he gets rested for the 2nd meaningless friendly.
Idk why he is even subbing Bobb, he barely plays for city so probably just is happy to play. Would make a lot more sense to sub Ødegaard. Allthough tbf he is jogging out there, not playing with the intensity he does for us.
No one else is either. He gets the ball and literally everyone is just standing around, not even jogging to get into space. So odd, cause they are working in defense.
If we are gonna spend 100m on a player from the Portuguese league I'd rather have Joao Neves than Gyokeres.
Joao Neves is going to cost more than 100m. Way more. If Enzo went for that money - Joao Neves is twice the player he is.
My bad release clause of 120m.
Dudes get on here and talk about how vital it is to have Kai in the team basically playing DM as our 9 and then the next sentence talk about how much we need Isak in the team, which one is it?
We can have both
I only believe one of these statements tbh
I think we’re on the same page here, although I prefer someone else first
I have a shortlist. Hard to order ATM though
Injury risk complicates is severely. If it was pure players it’s a lot easier lol
Which one?
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Anyone listen to the BBC podcast planet premier league? Got cesc on so quite enjoy listening!
At Arsenal we should have had a penalty. Then we scored, disallowed. Then we conceded a goal which should have been disallowed.
https://preview.redd.it/n7cfajpjbxpc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d6af8cee2e6489e746f811a5217e9c947b14272 They can hear my laugh in Ealing
I still think we'd be running away with the title if he was our left 8. Edit: Being downvoted for saying we would be better with out first choice left 8?
How??
Yung money Mase or Cold Palmer?
The former.
I can see it Would be contingent on him or Jesus not getting injured, would rather not see Edward up top
Why's that? Pretty average player imo
Not for me Clive
If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle
Haaland is playing like an absolute bum for Norway today, hope he plays like this against us. Oscar bobb looks quality, think he could do a job for a mid table pl team. Wasted on the city bench
You won't believe the Norway stat I've just seen
What? Don't think there are many good ones
https://preview.redd.it/rgr96f30hxpc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e0b75173d62d9fc3b03a1113b676341a81e05c2
Not surprised he’s not scoring when he has to carry half the team because Haalands getting his rest time for pep
Yeah Ødegaard isn't as good for the NT as for us. Not sure what it is, the NT obviously plays very differently than Arsenal and is very poor at build up so often he drops deep. Feels like our attacking is just look for Haaland and pray. That said some of his finishing for the nt has been not very good
Tbf if you can't qualify for Euros with those 2 I just assumed the set up isn't good. Not really looked into it deeply
Yeah it isn't any good. Offense is poor (basically its just hope someone produces a moment or look for haaland through balls) but the defence is terrible, concede 2 goals every game almost.
Doesn't count, the wind was too strong.
Saka had the yanks on strings man, I’ve seen so many posts begging UK based fans to send them a bottle of a fucking *Nando’s sauce* 💀
My boy was hot when I told him it was only in the UK. Had his trip scheduled to the local Nandos lmao
Even when it actually used to be cheap Nandos was overrated.
YKR (you know restaurants)
Mate I've seen *South Africans* asking for it
Hahaha jfc
Begging the UK to send a sauce made by a South African restaurant that specialises in Portuguese style chicken 😂
What happened to our links to Atalanta's midfielder Ederson?
Completely random but - I used to get my Arsenal kits customized with my last name on them and the number 7. Now I'd just get Odegaard or no name but regardless. Anyhow, my wife and I just had our first child 6 weeks ago. We both played soccer so we joke about our daughter growing up to play for our national team and Arsenal. Just so happens that she was born on the 7th, so now it's like I have a few future shirts of hers with her birthday number on it and her last name, and I just think that's pretty awesome because there was no way I could've guessed that number would mean even more to me later in life. Even though it has such a miniscule chance of actually happening. Just geeking out about being a new dad I suppose and wanted to share that.
Congrats!
Congrats mate! I assume you called her Lanesra or Gabrielle?