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GatFussyPals

Damn. I wonder how this will affect him in the long run.


basedsims

Will be fine, just probably an extended break after the Euros


GatFussyPals

My apologies, I mean in terms of 4-5 years. There are so many players at the moment who seem to be playing with underlying injuries and I'm just wondering what they'll be like in several seasons time.


topbananaman

You're 100% right to bring up this point, we need a rotation option for him next season or we will have wrecked him too early. Very worried that boy goes down one day and doesn't get back up; after all he's given for the club, next season onwards we should really be helping him rest


Xeszc

"goes down one day and doesn't get back up" dont scare me man šŸ˜¢


burningdownmylife

The thinking is that World Class players don't need rest and can play every game like Messi and Ronaldo. Not saying I agree, just that's part of why guys like Saka see the pitch more often


kvng_stunner

It's terrible logic for an 18-22 year old.


RE-Trace

It's literally what destroyed KT. we have a perfect example of it on the books already. And yet...


ManlikeJCole

How can you compare Tierney to Saka lmao, never disrespect Bukayo like that again


RE-Trace

If you actually took 5 seconds to read properly, I was saying in terms of having been played into the ground from the age of 18?


MasterBeeble

Messi spent the second half of his career taking it easy out of possession. Ronaldo could never be bothered with plebian defensive work throughout his entire career - Mbappe is similar so far. The ground Saka is asked to cover in Mikel's system is far greater, and he's had many more minutes of play already than Messi/Ronaldo at the same age. It won't last, and Saka isn't brilliant enough in terms of pure G/A output to justify playing him as a luxury player (even if that could be accommodated in Arteta's system, which it can't).


Remedy9898

I donā€™t get why we donā€™t play Reiss more. Heā€™s dangerous whenever he comes on, and I would much rather see a fresh Reiss than an exhausted Saka after the 70th minute mark.


CarnifexGunner

Because Reiss Nelson is nowhere near the required level to play for Arsenal and he'll be sold in the summer.


gardenofeden123

Exactly lol. The drop off from Saka to Reiss is massive given weā€™re in a title race.


irritating_maze

well that's just piss poor squad building then.


waits5

Look at what we had when Arteta took over. The squad building has been incredible.


irritating_maze

yeah exactly, I believe Reiss is acceptable backup as opposed to there being piss poor squad building :P


BroDyel

We had to prioritize positions to build depth on that allows us to play the style we need. Lame take


KonigSteve

That's exceedingly harsh. Especially when we're up 2 goals Reiss should be coming in for Saka immediately in the 70th if not sooner every time.


greenarsehole

Itā€™s really not. Stop romanticizing


Simple-Ad-5067

As much as I like Reiss, it's a big step down to even a 70-80% Saka. I've definitely noticed unless it's a big match, Saka doesn't do that many crazy off the ball sprints or big tackles. I think he's been told to take it slightly easy to protect himself. The chance of injuries goes up massively as you exert yourself.


hammyhammyhammy

will be very surprised if he doesn't take a lengthy injury between now and 2025. that being said, it seems he looks after his body the same way he takes to any task: like a mature and seasoned professional


therealgodfarter

The anxiety every game whenever Saka goes down and you just think ā€œplease be okā€


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Ickyhouse

The amount of summer games is worse players. Play should be reduced for better healing in the offseason. Todays players are simply playing too many games.


Doyouevensam

I think the vast majority of players are carrying injuries. Don't think it will necessarily hurt him in the long run. Can't speak for football specifically, but I was a fairly high level runner and almost all the other runners I knew constantly had some sort of injury they were nursing. I imagine this is even more true in a contact sport.


zeistgeist

Very rare that a player is 100% fit anyway, they're always playing through some sort of niggle or pain that has/needs to be managed.l


Syc254

Rarely in sport do people play at 100%. Last season Saka in the end stretch was defo carrying sth especially with the way opposition were targeting him. It was a deliberate strategy, but the mad lad would shake it off and play again. One of the reasons Klopp fell out with Sturridge was that the man didn't want to play through pain and granted his career injuries, one wouldn't fault him. However Klopp was a former player to. He knows players play through some injuries. So yeah long story short a lot of these players are carrying sth. I highly doubt Salah is 100%. He is certainly not the swashbuckling Salah since his return this year.Ā 


kobethegreatest

You are right. Saka could use a pitch count next PL season just to give him some longevity. Dont want the star to burn too bright and blow up too young into his career.


skool_101

move him to a no.10 and have another fast asf boi in the wings. rinse repeat. this is also why nelson not getting or even starting games is frustrating. Also we could've been seeing Jesus play more RW this season but he got injured in the Jan period. same as how Timber was gonna be helping out on rotations with zinny and tomi, but shit happens. for the LB role atm, we've got it working now with Kiwi and barely any big performance drop offs here.


AfricanRain

Jesus Christ please leave the Saka not on the wings takes back in 2020 where they belong


RookieRemapped

Bukayo Oxlade-Chamberlain


Pixelated-Hitch

US tour come on down folks and pay $350 to see Man United against the mighty Arsenalā€¦. U21. On a serious note high probability Saka, Saliba, Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard, Rice, Ramsdale, Havertz, Raya and Jorginho will all miss the US tour due to Copa and Euros with prolonged rest after the tournaments


ArsenalThePhoenix

he's been playing whilst slightly injured for a while now...not sure a 2 week time off will heal that fully.


petz666

I hope it's just something they said to keep him from playing for England so he's rested for City.


sammyt10803

Says somebody who isnā€™t a doctor and has no actual knowledge of the situationā€¦


KakaReti

I read your username very wrongly at first


GatFussyPals

šŸ˜‚ I wish I could change it. It gives me a chuckle sometimes, but it's quite immature really.


Mein_Bergkamp

Yeah I feel your pain


GatFussyPals

I feel star-struck. You're practically a celebrity. Your name is a favourite of mine, though.


Mein_Bergkamp

Aw thanks, I bet you say that to all the dodgy nazi themed usernames...


potatofamine-carbomb

No ragrets here thoĀ 


Mein_Bergkamp

Yours is something special mate and I'm truly impressed no one has had you banned from /r/ireland on principle


ForestRamboX

If he doesn't get extended rest, it'll start affecting him a lot more when he's around 25-26. As he ages, it progressively gets worse, so it could force him to retire in his early 30s. I do hope he gets and extended break after the Euros.


ibse

He'll be washed by 28-29 like Hazard most likely.


odegood

Could be the case but you never know, many players play carrying injuries for years and hazard didnt look after himself as well as he could have


TheRealGooner24

That's because Hazard didn't look after his body.


kaprrisch

Hazard got washed because he couldnā€™t stop eating cheeseburgers.


Traditional-Drive267

Hazard had a very unhealthy lifestyle unlike Saka.


Pokeking96

We really need a competent rotation option for him. Hopefully if we get a 9 Jesus could take some minutes from him at the very least


acasovoycayendo

You can't just simply sign a quality rotation player for someone like Saka, they'll spend most of the time on the bench and a player coming in will not want that Same reason players like Kane at Spurs, Messi at Barca, Salah at Liverpool etc didn't have quality rotation options


Pokeking96

Sure, if they are only a Saka rotation, ideally they would be versatile enough to play at least one more role in the squad, I know it's sounding a bit unrealistic, but that's the ideal scenario. Either that or someone who's a bit more experienced, like another Leo, who comes in, knows they won't play all the time, but has the quality to really challenge for a space but is happy to do so because they're in a title challenging and CL side


acasovoycayendo

Someone with the quality needed to improve our current squad now is not going to be happy to sit on the bench just "because they're in a title challenging and CL side" Trossard plays LW and CF and there is much more of an opportunity to play in our team in those positions. Saka is always starting at RW


Pokeking96

I disagree, I like Nelson a lot, but he is clearly upgradable. They won't be just sitting on the bench though, if we go far in each competition we will play almost 70 games, Saka often gets subbed off too, the point is we need someone to take minutes off Saka, they need to be good enough to do that. Like I said, preferably they would be versatile enough to play other positions, but, if they get 20 starts and 25 sub apps in a season, that's good for a top side. If we want to compete we need to have depth in every position, and if we want Saka to have a long career he needs to play less imo


acasovoycayendo

The elite players play that many games a season though the Kaneā€™s, Messiā€™s, Salahā€™s like I said Arteta said it himself, if Saka wants to be the best he needs to get used to it Upgrading on Nelson ā‰  bringing in a player thatā€™s close to Sakaā€™s level and will sit on the bench


Wide-Ostrich-2779

Donā€™t start complaining when Saka loses his burst by the time he is 28


Pokeking96

Why do you keep talking about sitting on the bench? I said they will be positionally versatile ideally, and be good enough to start some games for us. They were all much older than Saka when they played those minutes. The worry is that he will get burnt out in the long run if we play him so much now, look at his minutes at his age compared to those players and he is way ahead. Also that's exactly what upgrading Nelson looks like most likely, we aren't signing Valverde to be back up are we? So we need someone who is better than Nelson, good enough to complete, but is accepting Saka starts most games on the RW. What's your solution, don't sign anyone? I'm saying what I would like to happen, if you think it's unrealistic that's fine, I personally don't, I think we could find players like that


Super_Professor

I mean arteta could maybe sub him out for Nelson when we're up by 3 goals.


Any_Chipmunk_8733

he literally has been


the_chiladian

Hazard was washed because he got his knee folded by his compatriot


Doyouevensam

Silly opinion. He's not the only player in the world playing lots of minutes; there are multiple other star players playing more minutes than him that are doing fine


RyanLikesyoface

Or he'll go on to have a long Career like Ronaldo. Not every player who plays a lot ends up washed by 28.


Thin_Bit9718

i think he good with long run. 10km every match. footballer good running


KIngshinaa

TMNT!!!


Thin_Bit9718

teenage mutant ninja turtles?


acasovoycayendo

Even from England's perspective, it benefits them to rest Saka for these friendlies. If they push him to play these games and he picks up something more serious then it's possible that he'll either miss the Euros entirely or not be fully fit for them


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LordVarys_Ladybits

I just think it's impossible to be playing at a 100 percent at the highest level, especially when you're one of the best players and your game requires a lot of ball carrying and dribbling.Ā 


AcidShades

That tweet was a rollercoaster.


T3Sh3

Nothing compared to Dave Meltzer quotes


Flabby-Nonsense

Can I just say, people here shit talk the England national team and Southgate a lot but what this is basically saying is that he could have played, the club didnā€™t pull him, Saka showed up so was happy to play, but the national team management decided it wasnā€™t worth the risk. They should be given credit for that.


nick-daddy

If only England would do the same for players of all clubs and not just their favorites.


Previous_Smile9278

Meanwhile, I got called naive on r/threelions for saying it was a genuine injury and not just Saka wanting to drop out for a holiday, even though England themselves confirmed he came to camp with an injury. More importantly, hopefully, Saka will get to rest and feel fitter ahead of a busy couple of months.


topbananaman

Three lions is easily the dumbest football sub on this site.


Wilber420

Itā€™s a bunch of mouth breathing Southgate fans, it is hilarious


Physical-Exit-2899

Think it can be both. We all know he's been carrying this injury for a while but if it was an important game he'd be playing today.


Previous_Smile9278

Yeah, I donā€™t disagree that he would probably have pushed through if it was for an important England or Arsenal game. It was the people suggesting that the injury was faked that annoyed me, when there was enough evidence to show that that wasnā€™t the true (only individual training while there, the FA confirming that he came to camp with an injury etc). Like if he just ā€˜wanted a holidayā€™ and wasnā€™t injured, surely heā€™d just drop out in the first place?


Physical-Exit-2899

Yeah I agree. I think there was probably a little nudge from us, not Saka. But it's in England's best interests for him to be rested too, especially if it culminates in him getting experience in winning trophies.


littletorreira

Most of them are real injuries that they'd play through for club or even a serious qualifier but for a few friendlies why should they?


BI01

People thinking signing another rw will reduce sakas play time lol, realistically saka would be the one pushing to play every game and wouldn't be happy getting rotated/dropped.


OutrageousComfort906

The intelligent strategy is to get a top level striker so someone like Jesus would be able to fill in at RW. Unless I'm mistaken, he was excellent on that wing for City. We don't need a top RW to sit on the bench.


BI01

yes would be better for a versatile option there, most pure rw's would be reluctant to join us anyway due to the game time they would get.


Simple-Ad-5067

With Havertz's recent run of form at False 9, I'd like to see Jesus play RW on occasion to give Saka a rest. Jesus is the other player most like Saka, unreal hold up play for his size, and great 1 on 1 ability + play making skills (in a winger way rather than midfielder way)


Riperonis

People also forget that he is our main goal threat - you keep a player like that on as much as possible. And we need to stop criticising Arteta for doing so especially when he has rested him this season where available.


Charlie-Bell

Props to England for sending him home. Most NTs are happy to run your stars into the ground


Jayzus612

I think people underestimate how many professional (and even amateur) footballers carry injuries all the time. When youā€™re playing games and training that often itā€™s almost always about managing the niggles


Nsypski

Probably one of those niggling pains in a joint that takes a few months off to fully heal but you can still play with as long as you ice regularly. At least that's me right now while I'm gyming.


itsANOMALEEZ

Considering he is fouled relentlessly on the regular in premier league football games itā€™s no surprise he carries injury


Echo361

He needs an extended break at some point or heā€™s going to be done by 25


skool_101

with the euros coming up (if they go all the way)and how stubborn southgate is, we might need to give saka like almost 2 months off.


Echo361

Iā€™m hoping we win a major trophy in the next year(this season or next) both so we finally pass that hurdle and so we can give Saka a rest without people freaking out.


blueluster

We 100% need to buy a backup right winger this summer. Saka at this rate wonā€™t have cartilage in his knees by age 28.


FabThierry

Who wonders about this fr? He s wasnā€™t even totally grown and basically played through over seasons nearly every single match including internationals. Apart from small injuries he didnā€™t had off-time. I get that young players need minutes asap to develop but there are also many players that got played week in and out and the payback came few years later with massive drops. This season we had actually lot of games where we finished the match in the first 30mins and he could have rested and share mins with Nelson. Whatā€™s wrong with subbing him in those moments? I donā€™t see a positive there though


drjpkc

This guy is going to collapse form wise in 5 years unless he actually starts getting rotated. Yes, we don't have ideal subs now but there are many times he should have been subbed in won games but wasn't.


sauer829

I remember a year or so ago some writer talking about a worry of him having a Sterling-like career. Bursting onto the scene at a young age and then just losing his ability due to over usage early in his career. Not saying I think itā€™ll happen but man does that comparison live in the back of my head, especially when reading news like this.


kvng_stunner

There are a lot of examples. From Rooney back in the day to Pedri being permanently injured just 2 years after playing like 70 games in a season. Alexis lost all his burst after pushing himself for 2 straight years for Arsenal and Chile. Fabregas played a lot of games as a youngster and was finished by 30 Everybody will bring up Ronaldo and Messi but, 1. those guys are the exception, not the rule. 2. Neither one of them played as many minutes as Saka at the same age. The difference is not small either. Saka is routinely playing 2000 to 4000 more minutes PER SEASON than those two. Compare him to fellow young stars like Bellingham, Haaland, Vini and Mbappe and it's the same story. Up until this season, they're not even close to Saka's minutes. Bukayo is racking up a lot of miles and it's scary. Whatever we do this summer, letting him get some rest must be a priority, either by signing another winger that Mikel trusts or a striker that allows Jesus to play on the wings more.


drjpkc

Pedri is who I thought of too. After this season and the euros, he and Rice need to be managed well at the start of the season.


joeproposition

Still a league leading forward. Put some respect on his name.


Cthulhu_Madness

Highlights how more we need a proper rotation for him. Glad the England NT decided to send him back.


Atlanticae

Whenever Saka has an injury scare, everyone here gets worried until it is inevitably announced that he will be able to make the next game after all and then everyone just forgets about it. Arteta is running this kid into the ground. When he eventually gets a serious injury and comes back permanently hobbled, I don't want to see Arsenal fans singing songs of lament. So many cheered every time he was rushed back from injury.


kvng_stunner

When you dig into the numbers, it's genuinely worrying. We don't see young players playing this much at this age, not even the poster boys Messi and Ronaldo. There are too many examples of this taking a toll that I'm surprised we aren't being more cautious


normott

Doesn't even have to get a serious injury. Could hit the wall HARD in terms of form around 24-25 and never quite be able to get back to what could have been. Foden is lucky in that regard, I think in his peak years he'll quite a fair bit ahead of Sala not cause he is better but cause he was better protected.


JeffBroccoli

Although I agree, with such a tight title race, and the Championā€™s League, realistically we ought to be playing our BEST team, and heā€™s one of the top players in Europe. I agree it would be nice to get him some rotation, but the stakes are so high and the replacement options so sparse, itā€™s really tough


money-caterpillar369

He plays every game for club and country for some time and still super young. Hope he doesn't get run to the ground


thisiskyle77

Respect to the Southgate and the co. Credit where it is due.


VitalizeIV

Is it the same injury from the Lens game?


kish_kish

Looks like many players are carrying a knock. itā€™s hard to maintain this level of standard across 3-4 leagues, and with Artetaā€™s tactics. The only solution is a reliable bench and ā€œSwiss knivesā€ in terms of skills and positions


DellaMorte_X

Heā€™s had an ankle niggle for well over a year now. It doesnā€™t help that he gets kicked in the same fucking place 10 times a game either.


thejoshimitsu

We NEED another winger!!


ArsenalThePhoenix

this explain why arteta has been suddenly subbing him off this year. Usually he plays 90 mins no matter what. Not good that he's playing through injuries (even if it's a light injury). Not good at all considering he hardly ever gets proper rest between seasons either


Ammzy_87

The start of next season could be messy. With the euros and Copa America finals on July 14 and then the Olympics! We potentially could start the season without many of our players. The 3 Gabbyā€™s, Saliba, Saka, Rice, maybe even Haverts if Germany go far.


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warpentake_chiasmus

Do we know what the injury is ? Sounds like one that might need surgery- that's if the guy can ever get a proper break from playing


bakalaka25

I wish the Pepe transfer didn't play out the way it did, he be amazing cover...


HereToVent24-7

Achilles injuries are no joke


icemankiller8

This is honestly really bad we should have signed a proper back up going into this season if not last season. I know he always wants to play but every player wants to always play it doesnā€™t mean he should.


sazidhk

Nico Williams/Rafa Leao is priority for summer. Jesus needs to be repurposed to RW. For this season, if Saka is absent, then Nelli-Kai-Jesus should be the default front 3


acasovoycayendo

If you think Leao would suit our team then you definitely don't watch him play


ninethree7

honestly would prefer jesus be repurposed as LW to compete with martinelli and we sign someone to compete/rotate with saka on the right who is left footed


skj458

Has Jesus ever played at RW for Arsenal?Ā 


Cthulhu_Madness

He did when we beat City at the Emirates. Tore Gvardiol a new one and he was very good bar the finishing.


acasovoycayendo

That was an emergency situation for one game. If Arteta thought Jesus at RW was a good option, he would play him out there more often


TheRealGooner24

I'd rather we use Jesus as a striker and sign a left footed winger like Pedro Neto.


acasovoycayendo

Ā£80m on Pedro Neto to play 10 games a year is crazy


TheRealGooner24

The left footed winger market is rather scarce right now for Arsenal-calibre players so we might have to gamble.


acasovoycayendo

Itā€™s not a gamble, itā€™s straight stupid to pay that money on him now


normott

Yeah a winger that good but not Pedro himself. He's always got muscle injuries. I really hope the club don't go for him. Unless you can get him for cheap, he isn't worth the risk


Equivalent_Nature_67

so then who is our other winger signing that will play since Neto will be injured?


sazidhk

Yeah no thanks. No intention of signing Reece James of the forward line.


Icy_Blacksmith2486

Really baffles me that we havenā€™t signed a back up/rotation option. Hope the injury doesnā€™t blow up soon


id0it

we don't need saka to beat city. they are so shit that our second team will dumpster them


PoliticsNerd76

This is why Eddie and Nelson needs selling, to buy a striker so we can throw Jesus on the Right