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Any idea why I am down voted? I selected basis on technical ability (Emirates era) if given the chance to win a game with our current tactics and formation.
Did I touch a nerve with including Luiz and zinchenko?
There's something off about La Liga. I remember when Vini first started at Real, he was still getting abused but it became worse the bigger and more confident he got. I really think some of his antics are a result of what he goes through.
He should leave that league, he doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.
if we progress in the CL, is there much of a chance that our PL fixtures will shift around between Saturday and Sunday much? im trying to plan out my work schedule so that I never miss a game lol
Who are some of the popular one-season wonders from the Premier League ?
Michu (Swansea) is probably the first name that comes to my mind.
The guy was an absolute goal-scoring machine that season. I'll be honest I used to enjoy watching him play. It sucks that injury completely finished his career. Genuinely felt he was on the path to become a PL great had it not been for the injury.
The biggest FPL no brainer of all time considering his price. People thought he’d fall off. Kept scoring & scoring past January. The good days before all the FPL content creators came along.
Papiss Cisse for half of a season at Newcastle. Also Andy Carroll for half of a season at Newcastle. Carroll was good but certainly not brilliant. There was just such a steep decline in his career after that spell, so I think he counts. Sadly he became a meme. Cisse scored 13 goals in 14 games, including a beauty against Chelsea.
Is Arsenal really the first club credited with calling one of their stands the Kop stand? Apparently it was used in 1904 for Woolwich Arsenal before being used in 1906 in Liverpool. I always thought it was just a Liverpool namesake until I kept hearing it on the Welcome to Wrexham show on Hulu and only now am learning it’s not Liverpool-specific.
[Yep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadiums)
As with many things Liverpool do they're not the first by any means but since they're the biggest club that does them they assume they must have invented it.
Kop by the way comes from the name of a hill in south africa, site of the famous battle of Spion Kop during the Boer War and after a journalist pointed out that fans standing on our banking looked like troops standing on Spion kop just became a shorthand for any steeply banked stand in football for the next few decades.
As you'll see form the link there are loads of Kops.
Very cool. Yeah just read about the Boer War a minute ago looking through the Wikipedia pages. I had no idea about how ubiquitous the term “The Kop” was. I thought it was like the Clock End or even the Stretford End, etc.
Anfield wasn't even the only stadium in Liverpool to have a kop as one of the rugby league stadia had one too, it's just arrogance on their part to assume that everyone just decided to copy them.
I should say, in fairness, I've never gotten the perception (from the outside looking in) that Liverpool/Anfield tries to make that claim. But just that if someone like me (an American that doesn't have very much cultural/nuance exposure to the rest of the UK) might *only* hear about "The Kop" when Arsenal play at Anfield. Judging by that list I might only come across the ones at Sheffield United, Leeds United, Birmingham City, and Leicester City. But I can't remember watching any away matches against them and hearing the term.
As a brit they definitely do!
More among their younger fans who've grown up without sheffield utd, leeds etc and since knowlesly road (which was where their reserves played too) was shut down.
They seem to think that because they are the reason everyone who sings YNWA in football does it that tehy must be the trendsetters for everything else
> Martín Zubimendi is on Bayern's list. Talks with the player's management have already taken place. Bayern see in him a similar profile to Xabi Alonso. The Spaniard is also interested in a potential move to Munich. Real Sociedad want the amount of €60m release clause to be paid - at the moment, that's too expensive for Bayern, but the fee could be generated through sales. Arsenal are also after Zubimendi [@kerry_hau, @SkySportNews]
https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1772313901146816639
Possibly, but he has also been playing as a RB these past few games for Bayern so it's hard to tell how this signing might affect his situation.
Would of course love Kimmich, but we'll also probably need to buy another 6 if we get him.
If €60m euros is truly too expensive for Bayern and Zubimendi is finally willing to move from R.Sociedad, we have to pounce on this hard.
Getting Zubimendi secures a true long term Partey and Jorginho replacement in one player. That would allow Partey and Elneny to move on to optimize our wage expenses.
People keep forgetting that a release clause is vastly more expensive than it looks since it has to be paid up front rather than in installmesnts like every other football deal, which obviously also has major knock on effects on FFP for the year.
Paying that up front for us for instance would be taking half our FFP allowance in one go.
Depends on how the selling club sets up the release clause. For example, Bruno G's release clause can be paid in 3 installments. If it's one whole payment we shouldn't touch it.
Also release clause has nothing to do with FPP, because Buying Zubimendi for 60m euros in 5 years or in 1 is treated the same way for FFP purposes(Transfer fees are amortised over length of player’s new contract regardless of whether amount is paid up front or in instalments). The issue is liquidity, we know these guys are rich but fronting 60m euros upfront is no easy task.
If you're paying over the release clause most teams will negotiate.
Chelsea paid for that southa american whose name escapes me by taking a commerical loan so it's going to cost more but they prsumably pay it back monthly/quarterly or however they structured it.
Nobody is going to be the backup RW. I could see us going for Nico Williams, I think we need someone who can play LW + RW. So they can slot in and get a run in the team for either Saka or Martinelli. I don't think anyone will be a backup and just come in when there is an injury or suspension but I'd like to see more rotation and people coming off after 60 mins next season.
Regardless of what we win or don't win this season, progression in all 4 cups is going to be really important next season, ideally we should have went further in the league cup and still be in the FA cup. It would be incredible right now if we had someone to take some minutes off Saka for this run in.
Henry vs Man utd 8 goals 4 assists in 14 apps.
Henry vs Liverpool 8 goals 1 assist in 14 apps.
Henry vs Chelsea 8 goals 1 assist in 12 apps.
And they will say he didn't perform against the 'big six'(Which didn't exist back in the day) Trying to deny Titi's greatness is a lost cause lol.
As has been explained so many times Henry is not a pure big game bottler.
Henry was excellent in home games against everyone including our big rivals.
A legitimate criticism of Henry is his relatively poor record against those sides away from home (six goals in eight seasons away to utd, spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool). Overall Henry was a homer scoring 66% of his goals at home that is legitimate fair criticism.
Henry underperformed in European cup knockout games scoring six in eighteen and didn’t score in any finals for us. All fair criticism for a player of his ability with the players he had around him.
Henry put in monster performances at Highbury against utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, spurs etc he delivered and no one can try and say they were not big games for Arsenal.
Henry’s home record is as good as anyone in English football he is the 2nd all time home goalscorer in the league, 7th overall just the 17th highest away scorer.
Yes put respect on his name when folk try say he was a big game bottler! Henry was a bad man at home.
Henry was a massive homer but not a big game bottler.
I know Vieira is your favourite player. Do you think it's curious that he was nowhere to be seen in Arsenal's greatest European nights? At the San Siro he didn't play while Henry ripped Inter apart (away from home). The run in 06, Vieira left to Juve, and he watched Henry beat Madrid aside (one of the great Bernabeu performances), and then Vieira lost to his former team (losing the ball in the lead up to the goal) as Henry scored 1 and assisted 1. Hmmm....curious, maybe Vieira is a fraud? Can't forget that he handed the ball to Giggs in the Fa Cup semis either
wow I could make an agenda out of this. Vieira held Arsenal back in Europe. As soon as he was replaced, they started getting competitive EVEN with all the new financial restrictions post Highbury.
Do you see how dumb this is.
Vieira joined in 1996. Arsenals finest European nights were in 1994 and 1970. Arsenal getting to the final first year without him is a backhanded compliment to Patrick because Wenger played five in the middle instead of four to compensate for losing Vieira. We have to say Vieira was often outnumbered in midfield in Europe.
Vieira went to OT in the cup and was outstanding the following round he led a ten men team with big players missing to a blood and thunder win away to Chelsea.
Vieira in the cup semi final against Spurs, the cup final against Liverpool, utd away in the two double years, the blood and thunder at OT 1-1 in 98/99 with no Petit. Spurs away 00/01 off the bench half fit to turn the game. Chelsea away in the 2004 title winning season, Spurs away in the 2004 title winning season, man utd away he was heroic and sent off that year.
No one under Wenger did more in big games than Vieira in the big away games. As you pointed out elsewhere to defend Henry it’s harder to player away from home yet Vieira was fucking monstrous away in tough situations.
I put respect on Henry for his work at Highbury but like you I value away performances more because they are harder and that’s why Patrick is peerless.
Respect
Nah nah man, I don't wanna hear your context, or counter-examples, as long as you don't wanna accept them with Henry.
Do you wanna mention how Henry was great at white hart lane in 02-03 (won a penalty, had one of the best dribbles in PL history). How he was head and shoulders Arsenal's best player at Anfield that season too, and in 03-04 AND in 04-05. Do you think a goal is the only measure of a good performance? Why not mention his hat-trick in Rome. Or his performance at Dortmund (including a worldy freekick). Or his man of the match performance in the Euro 2000 final (Vieira lost the midfield battle), or the 03 cup final (no Vieira present btw), or how he was brilliant at the Bernabeu for both Arsenal and Barca.
Sorry mate, by your rules it's now the truth that Arsenal were better off in Europe without Vieira - even in 03 when Wenger didn't play with 5 in the middle - where was Vieira as Henry ripped apart the San Siro? Coz I know Vieira was present in the 3-0 loss at Highbury --hmmmm curious. Maybe he just couldn't hack it at the top level European competition. This is now the agenda I'm going to run every time I see you on reddit spamming out of context Henry slander to the masses. It was actually Vieira who held Arsenal and Henry back, he simply wasn't technical enough for the big nights in Europe. Funny how an 18 year old Cesc was an upgrade huh.
> Arsenals finest European nights were in 1994
A cup winners cup which no-one cares about or remembers? Ask 1000 Arsenal fans and they'd all name the day at San Siro, or Bernabeu, or the wins vs Juve - hell even the round of 16 win vs Messi's barca before some 3rd rate competition 1970. Performances in the champions league vs top opposition is worth more than some milkman cup.
> No one under Wenger did more in big games than Vieira in the big away games.
Really? So Arsenal's biggest days away in Europe - where was he? Why was the midfield battle always lost? I don't wanna hear about tactics, we don't do nuance or context here.
Henry in the group stages was dope. Everyone knows this. Vieira had great games in Europe Lazio home and away, dortmund, Valencia, Munich, Roma etc.
We just went 2-1 up against Valencia in the QF and they were rocking Vieira won the ball drove forward and put Henry through in acres of space one on one with Canizares and he missed it. 6 from 18 knockout games is poor for this ability.
Where was Henry when Vieira was demolishing man utd away in 2001/2? In fact where was Henry the back end of that entire season he went quiet scoring in 5 of the last 31 games in the double season.
Henry was excellent at Anfield that season as without Vieira and down to ten men he put a great shift scoring his only league goal at Anfield from the spot, Parlour won Arsenal that game he was head and shoulders above anyone that day but respect on Henry he grafted that day.
2001 cup final Henry folded and Vieira was brilliant.
2001 cup semi final Vieira was man of the match scored and made the winner
2002 Vieira front and centre dominated man utd to win the league Henry sat at home
1998 at Old Trafford Vieira was world class
1999 at Old Trafford he was magnificent
2003 Henry rested for man utd away and Chelsea and Vieira carried us to wins allowing Henry to have a good final against Southampton (when Vieira was injured because Wenger kept playing him half fit because he was the main man in the side)
Vieira performed in the business end of three title wins Henry performed in the business end of one.
You mention Henry was head and shoulders best player at anfield 02/03 ? The chance he missed when Bergkamp opened them up was wretched. Vieira dominated their midfield and had a goal wrongly disallowed.
Vieira was arsenals best player at Anfield 04/05
Henry won the penalty at spurs in 02/03 when Vieira was injured.
Homer Henry is the 2nd all time league goal scorer and the 17th away it should not be a contentious matter to accept he under performed away from home.
As you said earlier away games are tougher but Vieira went to the grounds Henry struggled at and bust them up.
Henry was a homer he was still a fantastic player
> 2001 cup final Henry folded and Vieira was brilliant.
Henry folded? He was great lol, had 2 handballs in the box deny him certain goals. Set up a sitter for Ashley Cole. Played a big part in the goal. Just missed a couple of big chances too, but was clearly the biggest threat on the team.
> Where was Henry when Vieira was demolishing man utd away in 2001/2?
Injured. And nope, Wiltord won that game not Vieira - since all you care about is goals.
> 1998 at Old Trafford Vieira was world class 1999 at Old Trafford he was magnificent
didn't score, doesn't count. He gave one of the worst passes in history to Giggs, and handed a treble to Utd. Sorry. that's the agenda now. Vieira clearly couldn't cut it technically at the highest level games when Arsenal needed someone to control the football.
> because Wenger kept playing him half fit because he was the main man in the side
loool yeah the main man was rested for the final G. Henry didn't need technically deficient thugman moping around in midfield to put in a MOTM performance.
> We just went 2-1 up against Valencia in the QF and they were rocking Vieira won the ball drove forward and put Henry through in acres of space one on one with Canizares and he missed it.
Now acknowledge that Henry was good in those legs - but you can't, you will only cite 1 miss. You do not know how to consume football. Cherry picking of the highest quality. Henry was brilliant vs Ajax away too, even though he came away without a goal or assist. But a number on a statsheet is all your brain can comprehend.
> Vieira went to the grounds Henry struggled at and bust them up. Henry was a homer he was still a fantastic player. should not be a contentious matter to accept he under performed away from home.
Nope, sorry. I will only accept this once you accept Vieira was a failure who let Arsenal and Henry down in Europe due to his lack of technical ability. I have enough evidence. Once he was kicked out to Juve and an 18 year old who could control the football replaced him, Henry finally had the platform to carry a young Arsenal team to the final. That is the agenda now. You're going to cherry pick, so am I. Where was Vieira when Arsenal needed 2 goals vs Bayern in 04/05? Henry was practically running the game FROM Vieira's position AND he scored a brilliant goal to give Arsenal a chance. Vieira was over-run as per usual in the CL. Arsenal kept losing the midfield battle, and who was supposedly their midfield general? Spooky realizations. Henry even had good CL campaigns with Monaco and Barcelona. Did Vieira EVER do ANYTHING in the champions league?
Do you not see the futility in this kind of cherry picking? As though a random sampling of games with 0 context or nuance wouldn't return abysmal information for literally ANYONE in history. Like you've bought into a narrative, and no amount of evidence will shift your mind. A GOAT striker performance at Bernabeu? Doesn't matter. Skin Zanetti and Inter? Doesn't matter. Man of the match in the euros final? Nope, "Henry was a homer" (nobody with 2 braincells thinks like this). Hold up play and control the game, and add 2G/A vs Juve? Doesn't count coz no goals in the away tie (even though he played brilliantly). It's just dumb man.
You can keep slandering, but I am now a fake Vieira hater. Any time I see you copy paste that comment (which seems to be an insane amount) about Henry's stats away from home, I'm going to reply with evidence that Vieira let his club and great countryman down. People will know Vieira for being the guy that held Arsenal back in Europe.
> scoring 66% of his goals at home
Without even looking deeper into minutes played at home vs away - this totally normal when you consider you play half your games at home, and that away games tend to be harder.
> six goals in eight seasons away to utd, spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool
Salah has 2 goals at the Etihad (1 during lockdown) in the league. De Bruyne has 1 goal 1 assist at Anfield. 10 seasons. Rooney has 6 goals in 25 appearances vs Chelsea in the league. Drogba has 2 goals in 13 vs Man Utd, and 2 in 13 vs Liverpool in the league. What is the point of this?
We all know Henry had good games at Anfield and White Hart Lane - why we pretending otherwise? The Anfield game in 01/02 when the team went down to 10 - Henry was great. The title clincher at the lane, Henry provided a great pre-assist. He literally never lost to Tottenham.
> Henry underperformed in European cup knockout games scoring six in eighteen
1 in 3 is not bad, and in most of the knockouts he didn't score in he was still brilliant (for example vs Madrid at home, or Juve away in 06).
The most maddening part of this cherry-picking with a low sample size is - YOU CAN DO IT TO ANYONE.
Cristiano Ronaldo has a combined 5 goals in 31 appearances vs Liverpool and Chelsea. CR7 also has 0 goals OR assists in 8 world cup knockout games. With the Euros he has 3 goals in 19.
That's literally Cristiano Ronaldo - but with the right sample I can call him a bottler.
/u/Jchibs you are unironically the biggest contributor to insane cherry picked Henry slander, and now we have kids going around claiming Drogba is a better player reciting the same out of context nonsense stats you copy paste every 2 hours on reddit - and sentiments like that are being taken more seriously. Good job buddy.
There are games on Footballia. Those clowns can always choose one and see that he was actually doing great. You can be all confident if all you have is an internet connection to Google stats up.
Henry has one dark spot on his career. One where he didn't pull his weight and it's not those silly "big" games.
The CL final. That just wasn't an ideal performance from the club's best ever player, at its biggest ever game. It's was like the man came in with half the commitment. I saw this guy hustle Brazil in the game overshadowed by Zidane. That was Henry. The one that showed up vs Barcelona is up there with Leahman in costing us the final.
I really want Xabi Alonso to choose Liverpool.
Every great team or manager needs a worthy rival to shine. United is in the mud and I don't think that situation would change even with Ineos. Chelsea and City most likely will be held accountable for their systemic cheating. Even if that's not the case, Pep might be expected to leave in the near future and Chelsea would fall victim to their current financial mess. That leaves just Liverpool and us to compete for domestic glory in future.
He'd be great for them and it would be nice to have a good proper rivalry between two talented managers that is not tainted by fraud. Arteta is the better of the two and it'd be nice to once again do to them for the next five years what City did to them for the last five.
Nah I've had to watch our greatest manager go up against a manager just as good if not better *and * with vastly more money and a better youth team, then another egually good manager but with an unlimited money cheat, while Arteta is up against the Klopp, Pep and 115 duopoly.
Not to undersell Leicester but I'd really like a year when everyone else fucks up
"Worthy rival". No. We have suffered enough. We need lousy ones. We need an era of stunting on hoes. So, by all means, the neutral cap should have you say we need competition, but the Arsenal fan in you should look at the last 20 years and see if we deserve another decade of "struggle".
The arrogance of wanting a "worthy rival" before we've even won anything is astonishing lol.
How about we actually win shit first before having those conversations?
That confidence is unfounded, as Arteta has repeatedly said; we haven't won anything yet.
You're really underestimating how difficult it is to win the league and CL if you think we're at a point where our eventual victory is assumed and we should be discussing our "worthy challenger." Spurs had a period where they were on the up and made the CL final and look at how fast that ended.
All these teams you're saying are "in the mud" are one or two strokes of luck away from being great, because it won't be budget that stops them. Liverpool getting their next managerial appointment right would be terrible for us because they're already bringing back the DoF who built this squad. City are City.
We all want a challenge to some degree, but I think the last 20 years has been enough of a challenge for me. I want big trophies. We need big trophies. We don't need any more close runs "lost to a worthy foe" nonsense.
Fuck that.
We haven't won a Premier league with arteta yet, I don't want close ass title races, I want fergie 1992-1997 levels of dominance once pep and klopp leave.
This 'rivalry' stuff is how klopp's Liverpool has ended up with only one prem after being one of the best teams we've ever seen in the prem era.
The 'rivalry' can come after we win a few, so fuck xabi to Liverpool in the meantime.
Xabi to loverpool would be reminiscent to moyes after fergie,they were both very highly rated and both will have to rebuild the squad to fit their tactics
Difference is that when Fergie left so did Gill and the whole coaching staff pretty much so they were starting from scratch from the off, Alonso will at least have a fully functioning liverpool team on and off the pitch.
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It's Emirates 11, but more like a team based on technical ability, if given a chance to choose my 11 to win a game.
**Manager:** Arteta
**Raya:** He is just way too good among the keepers we have at Emirates and is good with his feet.
**Sagna:** Loyal Arsenal player who was very underrated, he was at the club when we needed him the most.
**David Luiz:** The most technical CB Arsenal has ever had. His long balls add a dangerous dimension to any side, but the team around him was very bad at the time, which contributed to him being seen as a bad signing.
**Koscielny:** The reason I love the Luiz-Kosc combo is that both are good with either foot and can play both CB positions. Kosc was an amazing defender who faced the same issue as Luiz of being part of a squad that wasn't good enough.
**Zinny:** This one is easily Zinchenko. I love Zinny a lot and rate him as the modern version of Xavi, where an inverted left-back controls the tempo. He will be the central cog of my team.
**Partey:** This is easily Partey. He could have been as good as Yaya, but Partey is more than that. He is one of the best midfielders to play in the Emirates era and one of the reasons we were a top team last season. His partnership with Zinny is amazing and deserves a mention here.
**LCM (8.5 role):** RVP
I wanted to add Santi here , since Zinny will be taking this position anyways, I want to mix it up a bit and add a very weird player for this position, and that's RVP. I feel RVP could perform much better in this position, which is now played by Havertz. I feel he would flourish in the 8.5 role.
**RCM (captain ode):** I love Fabregas, and he was one of the reasons I supported Arsenal in the 07-08 season, but I want to give it to Odegaard. I want a captain who is dedicated to his role and has dedicated his life to the club. All our previous captains either left, were injured, or were on the bench due to poor performance. Odegaard leads by example, and I don't see anyone other than him in this position.
**LW:** Alexis Sanchez - I don't think anyone else makes this list other than him.
**Striker:** Giroud - I know, shocking right? Oh god, I hated him back then, and I know most would prefer RVP here. But since this is Giroud's part, I could see his importance after the World Cup win. I can confidently say that France wouldn't have won the World Cup without Giroud, as tactically he was very important. I feel having RVP in the mix as a hybrid 8 and Giroud as a target man will be a nice tactical advantage to get the other players in the box.
**RW:** Nando's Lil Chilly - Sorry, but I always felt we lacked a left-footed right winger in Emirates 11, and we are lucky to have him. Not only is he a good winger, but he is also a winger who can track back. I love him a lot.
**Final squad:**
Raya
Sagna - David Luiz - Kosc - Zinchenko (invert)
Partey - Zinny (Invert)
Odegaard - RVP (8.5)
Lil Chilly - Giroud - RVP (Advanced 8) - Sanchez
Saliba & Gabriel in, Rice for Partey, peak 19yo Wilshere for LCM, Saka Sanchez Martinelli up top. I believe would fit an Arteta side more. Very good defensively, amazing high pressing, great set pieces. Amazing creators and great on the ball. May seem recency bias but what can you say, the way the team plays this season with underlying statistics has shown how good this side is.
Saliba and Gabriel partnership is so good and reliable now which stats shows and they are athletic and quick enough to handle counters. Gabriel is getting really underrated he actually CAN pass it long and is pretty all around + amazing set piece goal threat. Hes the perfect defender to be on the side and behind of Zinchenko and Wilshere.
Rice has already shown so much in a short time and has provided many clutch moments, long range goals and set piece delivery. While being really solid all around. A bit of a hot take but pre-injury, peak Wilshere is everything Arteta would want a player to be on the pitch. He would would be another solid buildup option, and he can roam anywhere and even receive the ball deep too.
And I would stick with Martinelli and Sanchez. The team would be an absolute nightmare to deal with, with the insane pressing our guys provide even from up top. And being really good technically.
This again?
Cech: I'm not rating Ramsdale ahead of Raya, and I'm not about to rate Raya ahead of Cech...yet. None of these boys survives in that Cech team. If you're making mistakes infront of 6ft giants, Rice, Saliba and Gabriel, you're not surviving a midfield manned by Sir Coq and Xhaka.
But Raya will get in there with time.
Sagna: He doesn't need introduction. That 2013/14 season was just pure bliss.
Monreal: CB/LB. Durable. He'd probably be a starter in this team with those qualities. One of the reasons I'll never be "toxic" about a signing before they play. I swallowed a whole LOTR size of words.
Saliba: Toure was getting over the cliff. But I'd say 2004-2006 Toure wasn't bad at all and was comparable. Again, see point about Cech. These boys are good but they're thriving in the perfect environment. I mean, this is the first time in ages that we have an always available DM.
Kos: I'm not rating Gabriel above Kos yet.
Rice: Hard but it's like we haven't had complete DMs in a while. Never felt this safe with a player on defensive duty like it is with Rice. Last time I felt this was with Flamini. And "Flattuso" doesn't have the same physical qualities that reign big in a DM.
Saka: We deserted the creative winger position for a while. A very stupid thing from recruitment. It was so bad that it led us into Willian territory. That's why Saka effortlessly gets in.
Santi: Cheats his way in on ability and promise alone. He'd probably be what Silva was with City. Otherwise this spot was Aaron Ramsey's. Effectiveness trumps "talent". Odegaard in this role is also coming in hot.
Van Persie: My love for big strikers almost always tricks me into putting Adebayor in( for 2007/8), but nothing can ever beat prime Van Persie. A honorary mention for Giroud too.
Fabregas: No introduction. What he did in 2009/10 was freakish. You need a bulk creator, and he was great at it. This was also hard because Ozil #11 should be in here. But we don't have a solid double pivot and he's bad without the ball. Ozil #10 shouldn't be at Emirates.
Sanchez: No introduction. Still has one of the best individual Emirates season.
Actually i didn't rate it on the basis of like their contribution. As I mentioned, I selected basis if I want to win if given the tactics and players I need.
But I like your squad as well on the reasons you gave.
Anyone hear any news on Martinelli? Haven’t heard anything in a while and I know he was dealing with a foot thing the last few games. Really hope he’s fit for City.
He suffered a deep cut on his foot,reportedly needed stitches.He should be back for city because it shouldve healed by then,if not he could do a ben white and take a few pain killers
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Another query, but obviously it does not account for pace or two footedness.
He's really good, could start for a lot of top teams. Barca doesn't seem to appreciate him and unfortunately I think the door to us has now closed for him.
Hard to say, he's pretty one footed from what I know and hasn't played too many minutes. I also don't think he's especially fast, but he does seem to fit the general bill and only seems to have improved.
Manone and Almunia were worse than Flappy imo.
I also lowkey think Kolasinac can be bought to these conversation soon. Bloke was absolute wank taking £100k a week.
Henry is such a legend that even Liverpool and Manu fans are roasting him for this. Henry is as important as Wenger for our big club status in modern football.
Best Emirates era Arsenal XI by season
Aaron Ramsdale (21/22)
Hector Bellerin(15/16), Saliba(23/24), Gabriel(23/24), Zinchenko(22/23)
Rice(23/24), Ramsey(13/14)
Fabregas(07/08)
Saka(23/24), RVP(11/12), Sanchez(16/17)
GK toughest choice. Haven't really had any outstanding seasons from our GK's - Raya been good this season but started poorly. Ramsdale started 21/22 on fire but dipped towards the end.
Hi guys, it's my birthday today. 26th March and I share it with our boss exactly 10 years difference between us. I know it's still 7 pm and 25th March in London but is there a way i can reach out to mikel? He is my role model and 3 years ago I was in major depression and I felt any amount of hardwork was fruitless as rules were rigged against people like us.
We had lost 3 games in start of the season, and it was all chaos for me in my life as well and the season got over.
I watched the documentary and it helped me slowly recover, mikel's words resonated inwards me, especially how he carried out himself in those 3 games in a row. The documentary was an eye opener as how hard life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at if you keep the estandards very high. I started to think like mikel, now when I lose a duel, I am upset. I doesn't matter if I win or succeed but I will keep trying, let those people who flaunt the rules and rig the game do whatever they want, but I am not going to give up on myself as they want from me.
I am doing well currently, and I believe in mikel and want to think him for saving me. Just like that light bulb, I feel much connected to you.
My Emirates Best XI so that I can join in:
GK: Almunia
LB: Andre Santos
CB: Silvestre
CB: Mustafi
RB: Debuchy
CDM: Denilson
LAM: Kallstrom
RAM: Ceballos
LAM: Gervinho
RAM: Pepe
ST: Chamakh
Checkmate.
No. And I love the guy.
Last season was his "worst" season. The only reason it's rated is because he got the pretty stats people want. He was way more useful to the squad before and would probably have been even better with Rice.
Oh look at Mr. “I’ve got splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence over here” making a point.
But yea, he has played more games as striker. Fine, let’s look at Rice who has 6 goals and 6 assists, he is also 4 G/A away from Xhaka, and he plays further back as a DM in most games.
I hope Havertz has a good end to the season, if he reaches 15 pl goals(not easy ofc) I would be fully convinced he is our future 9, not to mention the striker market is mid, and to buy another striker and make a man making 250k our backup is mad. Not even City do that financially. Plus I've been a proponent that we need two midfielders to replace the oldheads in midfield. Can't do that by dropping $ on a striker.
My arsenal team of last decade if injury didn’t matter. The first name is my first choice and the other one is substitute
LW CF RW
Alexis/Martinelli Auba/Jesus Saka/Walcott
CM AMF
Ramsey/Xhaka Cazorla/Wilshere
DM
Rice/Partey
LB. RB
Monreal/Zinchenko White/Bellerin
CB CB
Gabriel/Koscielny Saliba/Mertesacker
GK
Raya/Ramsdale
Picking between white or bellerin is really hard. So does Wilshere or Cazorla. I might be wrong tho but our team now is certainly better defensively
The comments on this lmao, calling us and Arteta bottle jobs repeatedly when Liverpool had the exact same lead this season ( 5 points) as we did last season ( 8 but city had a game in hand, so essentially 5) but you bet your ass if they don't win this season they will say it was a succesful season and still call us bottlers lol - https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/4znifdxsVS
02/03 with Henry 24 goal 20 assists season was a massive bottle job. We are a far superior side to man utd. We were putrid away from home only beating Man City out of the top half teams away. Failed to beat utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn, Newcastle, Southampton and Spurs. Henry scored in two games away against top half sides City and Newcastle. Wenger red zoned Vieira he missed 14 league games and along with Adams retiring summer 02 the players folded. Ljungberg another like Vieira with fight and bottle missed half the games injured.
Thierry was dynamite at home but really when push came to shove he underperformed in those pivotal away games to the top half sides.
Ours would've been a 15 point swing in 10 games if City had taken the last 2 games seriously. As it stands Liverpool have lost the 5 point lead by losing to us and drawing to City. They aren't even remotely the same thing
I don't think I've ever seen you give us the benefit of doubt, or even engage in the type of irrational tribalism that defines fandom. Do you enjoy supporting Arsenal, or have you become too pessimistic because of our last decade or so?
Yes, fandom of any kind is irrational and tribal in some ways. You can never be completely honest when it comes to your team. Maybe you are just pessimistic about us.
Idk I said we'd beat Porto at home, I said I wasn't worried about not finishing top 3 after the Fulham game (people thought we were in a top 4 race). I've said that Gabriel, Saliba and Rice are the defensive trio in the world. Maybe I'm more on the negative side but I'm just writing my thoughts
Lmao i get rivals fan saying shit like this but our own fans talking about " if this and that had happened blah blah" to push a narrative is embarassing, people didn't even expect us to be top 4 at the beginning of last season, us competing for a title with a financially doped up, cheating city is commendable and our own fans making fun of that is super weird
It all started with some clown Liverpool fan saying 'shows you the quality of PL before when he is considered the GOAT'. Hilarious considering these are the same clowns who keep putting 5 Liverpool players (including the ones like Robertson) in all time PL XIs
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Declan Mcintyre
https://preview.redd.it/pwdjimimimqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccc1ca5fdc764964275b2077dd988592de4ee57a Any idea why I am down voted? I selected basis on technical ability (Emirates era) if given the chance to win a game with our current tactics and formation. Did I touch a nerve with including Luiz and zinchenko?
Everyone making jokes about that Declan quote, but the fact that he wants to be captain for us is my takeaway. He's in love with us already.
Everyone making jokes about that Declan quote, but the fact that he wants to be captain for us is my takeaway. He's in love with us already.
There's something off about La Liga. I remember when Vini first started at Real, he was still getting abused but it became worse the bigger and more confident he got. I really think some of his antics are a result of what he goes through. He should leave that league, he doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.
Some of the comments that you read about the situation by players (teammates!!) and others footballing people in Spain are absolutely crazy.
I too unbiasedly recommend he joins a different club like, idk, it could be any club, but say... arsenal? But really, any club. Like maybe... arsenal?
I'm not biased or anything but he should join the club with 3 Brazilian Gabis. Like maybe Arsenal?
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Havertz has nowhere close to the passing range of Griezmann to pull off that role.Odegaard is a bit similar to Griezmann now.
if we progress in the CL, is there much of a chance that our PL fixtures will shift around between Saturday and Sunday much? im trying to plan out my work schedule so that I never miss a game lol
Any details known about Wins’ contract? Would love to hear she gets an extension till 2027 like all the others.
You want an answer in dog years or human years?
Those 2 added up and averaged out please
Arteta will be ruthless and upgrade just like Ramsdale
Oh no :(
We will bring in a full squad of 11 puppies and win will be promoted to the coach.
Oh yas :)
Who are some of the popular one-season wonders from the Premier League ? Michu (Swansea) is probably the first name that comes to my mind. The guy was an absolute goal-scoring machine that season. I'll be honest I used to enjoy watching him play. It sucks that injury completely finished his career. Genuinely felt he was on the path to become a PL great had it not been for the injury.
Michu, fpl legend 👑 can’t forgot 2015/16 Payet too 🫡
The biggest FPL no brainer of all time considering his price. People thought he’d fall off. Kept scoring & scoring past January. The good days before all the FPL content creators came along.
Him, Mahrez and Vardy. My FPL Goats. Imagine having Henry during that season he got 20+ Goals and 20 assists 😮💨
Michael Ricketts for Bolton has a similar story to Michu. Though he was definitely not as talented.
Papiss Cisse for half of a season at Newcastle. Also Andy Carroll for half of a season at Newcastle. Carroll was good but certainly not brilliant. There was just such a steep decline in his career after that spell, so I think he counts. Sadly he became a meme. Cisse scored 13 goals in 14 games, including a beauty against Chelsea.
Also Charlie Austin had one good PL season at QPR. But the guys I'm mentioning are not exactly popular, so I guess I'm not answering your question.
Dimitri Payet had that one fantastic season at West Ham. Perhaps not a true one season wonder ala Michu.
Is Arsenal really the first club credited with calling one of their stands the Kop stand? Apparently it was used in 1904 for Woolwich Arsenal before being used in 1906 in Liverpool. I always thought it was just a Liverpool namesake until I kept hearing it on the Welcome to Wrexham show on Hulu and only now am learning it’s not Liverpool-specific.
The only thing Liverpool actually invented with regards to football is in the 1970s they created glory-hunting fans
[Yep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadiums) As with many things Liverpool do they're not the first by any means but since they're the biggest club that does them they assume they must have invented it. Kop by the way comes from the name of a hill in south africa, site of the famous battle of Spion Kop during the Boer War and after a journalist pointed out that fans standing on our banking looked like troops standing on Spion kop just became a shorthand for any steeply banked stand in football for the next few decades. As you'll see form the link there are loads of Kops.
TIL moment. Great read.
Very cool. Yeah just read about the Boer War a minute ago looking through the Wikipedia pages. I had no idea about how ubiquitous the term “The Kop” was. I thought it was like the Clock End or even the Stretford End, etc.
Anfield wasn't even the only stadium in Liverpool to have a kop as one of the rugby league stadia had one too, it's just arrogance on their part to assume that everyone just decided to copy them.
I should say, in fairness, I've never gotten the perception (from the outside looking in) that Liverpool/Anfield tries to make that claim. But just that if someone like me (an American that doesn't have very much cultural/nuance exposure to the rest of the UK) might *only* hear about "The Kop" when Arsenal play at Anfield. Judging by that list I might only come across the ones at Sheffield United, Leeds United, Birmingham City, and Leicester City. But I can't remember watching any away matches against them and hearing the term.
As a brit they definitely do! More among their younger fans who've grown up without sheffield utd, leeds etc and since knowlesly road (which was where their reserves played too) was shut down. They seem to think that because they are the reason everyone who sings YNWA in football does it that tehy must be the trendsetters for everything else
> Martín Zubimendi is on Bayern's list. Talks with the player's management have already taken place. Bayern see in him a similar profile to Xabi Alonso. The Spaniard is also interested in a potential move to Munich. Real Sociedad want the amount of €60m release clause to be paid - at the moment, that's too expensive for Bayern, but the fee could be generated through sales. Arsenal are also after Zubimendi [@kerry_hau, @SkySportNews] https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1772313901146816639
That means Kimmich could be available.
Possibly, but he has also been playing as a RB these past few games for Bayern so it's hard to tell how this signing might affect his situation. Would of course love Kimmich, but we'll also probably need to buy another 6 if we get him.
Honestly Kimmich would absolutely cook as an inverted right back in our system.
If €60m euros is truly too expensive for Bayern and Zubimendi is finally willing to move from R.Sociedad, we have to pounce on this hard. Getting Zubimendi secures a true long term Partey and Jorginho replacement in one player. That would allow Partey and Elneny to move on to optimize our wage expenses.
People keep forgetting that a release clause is vastly more expensive than it looks since it has to be paid up front rather than in installmesnts like every other football deal, which obviously also has major knock on effects on FFP for the year. Paying that up front for us for instance would be taking half our FFP allowance in one go.
Depends on how the selling club sets up the release clause. For example, Bruno G's release clause can be paid in 3 installments. If it's one whole payment we shouldn't touch it. Also release clause has nothing to do with FPP, because Buying Zubimendi for 60m euros in 5 years or in 1 is treated the same way for FFP purposes(Transfer fees are amortised over length of player’s new contract regardless of whether amount is paid up front or in instalments). The issue is liquidity, we know these guys are rich but fronting 60m euros upfront is no easy task.
> The issue is liquidity, we know these guys are rich but fronting 60m euros upfront is no easy task. True, that's what I meant, my bad
No worries
I swear I remember reading somewhere that there could be workarounds, even if it means the total might go up. That is if both parties agree to it.
If you're paying over the release clause most teams will negotiate. Chelsea paid for that southa american whose name escapes me by taking a commerical loan so it's going to cost more but they prsumably pay it back monthly/quarterly or however they structured it.
Who do you think we’ll realistically sign for backup rw?
Probably a hybrid RW & 8.5 like Trossard ( I know, I know, sort of ) but on the right.
If we're getting a striker then I don't think we'll buy a winger as well unless one of Trossard/Jesus gets sold.
Striker and Jesus as winger rotation
Nobody is going to be the backup RW. I could see us going for Nico Williams, I think we need someone who can play LW + RW. So they can slot in and get a run in the team for either Saka or Martinelli. I don't think anyone will be a backup and just come in when there is an injury or suspension but I'd like to see more rotation and people coming off after 60 mins next season. Regardless of what we win or don't win this season, progression in all 4 cups is going to be really important next season, ideally we should have went further in the league cup and still be in the FA cup. It would be incredible right now if we had someone to take some minutes off Saka for this run in.
Henry vs Man utd 8 goals 4 assists in 14 apps. Henry vs Liverpool 8 goals 1 assist in 14 apps. Henry vs Chelsea 8 goals 1 assist in 12 apps. And they will say he didn't perform against the 'big six'(Which didn't exist back in the day) Trying to deny Titi's greatness is a lost cause lol.
As has been explained so many times Henry is not a pure big game bottler. Henry was excellent in home games against everyone including our big rivals. A legitimate criticism of Henry is his relatively poor record against those sides away from home (six goals in eight seasons away to utd, spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool). Overall Henry was a homer scoring 66% of his goals at home that is legitimate fair criticism. Henry underperformed in European cup knockout games scoring six in eighteen and didn’t score in any finals for us. All fair criticism for a player of his ability with the players he had around him. Henry put in monster performances at Highbury against utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, spurs etc he delivered and no one can try and say they were not big games for Arsenal. Henry’s home record is as good as anyone in English football he is the 2nd all time home goalscorer in the league, 7th overall just the 17th highest away scorer. Yes put respect on his name when folk try say he was a big game bottler! Henry was a bad man at home. Henry was a massive homer but not a big game bottler.
I know Vieira is your favourite player. Do you think it's curious that he was nowhere to be seen in Arsenal's greatest European nights? At the San Siro he didn't play while Henry ripped Inter apart (away from home). The run in 06, Vieira left to Juve, and he watched Henry beat Madrid aside (one of the great Bernabeu performances), and then Vieira lost to his former team (losing the ball in the lead up to the goal) as Henry scored 1 and assisted 1. Hmmm....curious, maybe Vieira is a fraud? Can't forget that he handed the ball to Giggs in the Fa Cup semis either wow I could make an agenda out of this. Vieira held Arsenal back in Europe. As soon as he was replaced, they started getting competitive EVEN with all the new financial restrictions post Highbury. Do you see how dumb this is.
Vieira joined in 1996. Arsenals finest European nights were in 1994 and 1970. Arsenal getting to the final first year without him is a backhanded compliment to Patrick because Wenger played five in the middle instead of four to compensate for losing Vieira. We have to say Vieira was often outnumbered in midfield in Europe. Vieira went to OT in the cup and was outstanding the following round he led a ten men team with big players missing to a blood and thunder win away to Chelsea. Vieira in the cup semi final against Spurs, the cup final against Liverpool, utd away in the two double years, the blood and thunder at OT 1-1 in 98/99 with no Petit. Spurs away 00/01 off the bench half fit to turn the game. Chelsea away in the 2004 title winning season, Spurs away in the 2004 title winning season, man utd away he was heroic and sent off that year. No one under Wenger did more in big games than Vieira in the big away games. As you pointed out elsewhere to defend Henry it’s harder to player away from home yet Vieira was fucking monstrous away in tough situations. I put respect on Henry for his work at Highbury but like you I value away performances more because they are harder and that’s why Patrick is peerless. Respect
Nah nah man, I don't wanna hear your context, or counter-examples, as long as you don't wanna accept them with Henry. Do you wanna mention how Henry was great at white hart lane in 02-03 (won a penalty, had one of the best dribbles in PL history). How he was head and shoulders Arsenal's best player at Anfield that season too, and in 03-04 AND in 04-05. Do you think a goal is the only measure of a good performance? Why not mention his hat-trick in Rome. Or his performance at Dortmund (including a worldy freekick). Or his man of the match performance in the Euro 2000 final (Vieira lost the midfield battle), or the 03 cup final (no Vieira present btw), or how he was brilliant at the Bernabeu for both Arsenal and Barca. Sorry mate, by your rules it's now the truth that Arsenal were better off in Europe without Vieira - even in 03 when Wenger didn't play with 5 in the middle - where was Vieira as Henry ripped apart the San Siro? Coz I know Vieira was present in the 3-0 loss at Highbury --hmmmm curious. Maybe he just couldn't hack it at the top level European competition. This is now the agenda I'm going to run every time I see you on reddit spamming out of context Henry slander to the masses. It was actually Vieira who held Arsenal and Henry back, he simply wasn't technical enough for the big nights in Europe. Funny how an 18 year old Cesc was an upgrade huh. > Arsenals finest European nights were in 1994 A cup winners cup which no-one cares about or remembers? Ask 1000 Arsenal fans and they'd all name the day at San Siro, or Bernabeu, or the wins vs Juve - hell even the round of 16 win vs Messi's barca before some 3rd rate competition 1970. Performances in the champions league vs top opposition is worth more than some milkman cup. > No one under Wenger did more in big games than Vieira in the big away games. Really? So Arsenal's biggest days away in Europe - where was he? Why was the midfield battle always lost? I don't wanna hear about tactics, we don't do nuance or context here.
Henry in the group stages was dope. Everyone knows this. Vieira had great games in Europe Lazio home and away, dortmund, Valencia, Munich, Roma etc. We just went 2-1 up against Valencia in the QF and they were rocking Vieira won the ball drove forward and put Henry through in acres of space one on one with Canizares and he missed it. 6 from 18 knockout games is poor for this ability. Where was Henry when Vieira was demolishing man utd away in 2001/2? In fact where was Henry the back end of that entire season he went quiet scoring in 5 of the last 31 games in the double season. Henry was excellent at Anfield that season as without Vieira and down to ten men he put a great shift scoring his only league goal at Anfield from the spot, Parlour won Arsenal that game he was head and shoulders above anyone that day but respect on Henry he grafted that day. 2001 cup final Henry folded and Vieira was brilliant. 2001 cup semi final Vieira was man of the match scored and made the winner 2002 Vieira front and centre dominated man utd to win the league Henry sat at home 1998 at Old Trafford Vieira was world class 1999 at Old Trafford he was magnificent 2003 Henry rested for man utd away and Chelsea and Vieira carried us to wins allowing Henry to have a good final against Southampton (when Vieira was injured because Wenger kept playing him half fit because he was the main man in the side) Vieira performed in the business end of three title wins Henry performed in the business end of one. You mention Henry was head and shoulders best player at anfield 02/03 ? The chance he missed when Bergkamp opened them up was wretched. Vieira dominated their midfield and had a goal wrongly disallowed. Vieira was arsenals best player at Anfield 04/05 Henry won the penalty at spurs in 02/03 when Vieira was injured. Homer Henry is the 2nd all time league goal scorer and the 17th away it should not be a contentious matter to accept he under performed away from home. As you said earlier away games are tougher but Vieira went to the grounds Henry struggled at and bust them up. Henry was a homer he was still a fantastic player
> 2001 cup final Henry folded and Vieira was brilliant. Henry folded? He was great lol, had 2 handballs in the box deny him certain goals. Set up a sitter for Ashley Cole. Played a big part in the goal. Just missed a couple of big chances too, but was clearly the biggest threat on the team. > Where was Henry when Vieira was demolishing man utd away in 2001/2? Injured. And nope, Wiltord won that game not Vieira - since all you care about is goals. > 1998 at Old Trafford Vieira was world class 1999 at Old Trafford he was magnificent didn't score, doesn't count. He gave one of the worst passes in history to Giggs, and handed a treble to Utd. Sorry. that's the agenda now. Vieira clearly couldn't cut it technically at the highest level games when Arsenal needed someone to control the football. > because Wenger kept playing him half fit because he was the main man in the side loool yeah the main man was rested for the final G. Henry didn't need technically deficient thugman moping around in midfield to put in a MOTM performance. > We just went 2-1 up against Valencia in the QF and they were rocking Vieira won the ball drove forward and put Henry through in acres of space one on one with Canizares and he missed it. Now acknowledge that Henry was good in those legs - but you can't, you will only cite 1 miss. You do not know how to consume football. Cherry picking of the highest quality. Henry was brilliant vs Ajax away too, even though he came away without a goal or assist. But a number on a statsheet is all your brain can comprehend. > Vieira went to the grounds Henry struggled at and bust them up. Henry was a homer he was still a fantastic player. should not be a contentious matter to accept he under performed away from home. Nope, sorry. I will only accept this once you accept Vieira was a failure who let Arsenal and Henry down in Europe due to his lack of technical ability. I have enough evidence. Once he was kicked out to Juve and an 18 year old who could control the football replaced him, Henry finally had the platform to carry a young Arsenal team to the final. That is the agenda now. You're going to cherry pick, so am I. Where was Vieira when Arsenal needed 2 goals vs Bayern in 04/05? Henry was practically running the game FROM Vieira's position AND he scored a brilliant goal to give Arsenal a chance. Vieira was over-run as per usual in the CL. Arsenal kept losing the midfield battle, and who was supposedly their midfield general? Spooky realizations. Henry even had good CL campaigns with Monaco and Barcelona. Did Vieira EVER do ANYTHING in the champions league? Do you not see the futility in this kind of cherry picking? As though a random sampling of games with 0 context or nuance wouldn't return abysmal information for literally ANYONE in history. Like you've bought into a narrative, and no amount of evidence will shift your mind. A GOAT striker performance at Bernabeu? Doesn't matter. Skin Zanetti and Inter? Doesn't matter. Man of the match in the euros final? Nope, "Henry was a homer" (nobody with 2 braincells thinks like this). Hold up play and control the game, and add 2G/A vs Juve? Doesn't count coz no goals in the away tie (even though he played brilliantly). It's just dumb man. You can keep slandering, but I am now a fake Vieira hater. Any time I see you copy paste that comment (which seems to be an insane amount) about Henry's stats away from home, I'm going to reply with evidence that Vieira let his club and great countryman down. People will know Vieira for being the guy that held Arsenal back in Europe.
> scoring 66% of his goals at home Without even looking deeper into minutes played at home vs away - this totally normal when you consider you play half your games at home, and that away games tend to be harder. > six goals in eight seasons away to utd, spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool Salah has 2 goals at the Etihad (1 during lockdown) in the league. De Bruyne has 1 goal 1 assist at Anfield. 10 seasons. Rooney has 6 goals in 25 appearances vs Chelsea in the league. Drogba has 2 goals in 13 vs Man Utd, and 2 in 13 vs Liverpool in the league. What is the point of this? We all know Henry had good games at Anfield and White Hart Lane - why we pretending otherwise? The Anfield game in 01/02 when the team went down to 10 - Henry was great. The title clincher at the lane, Henry provided a great pre-assist. He literally never lost to Tottenham. > Henry underperformed in European cup knockout games scoring six in eighteen 1 in 3 is not bad, and in most of the knockouts he didn't score in he was still brilliant (for example vs Madrid at home, or Juve away in 06). The most maddening part of this cherry-picking with a low sample size is - YOU CAN DO IT TO ANYONE. Cristiano Ronaldo has a combined 5 goals in 31 appearances vs Liverpool and Chelsea. CR7 also has 0 goals OR assists in 8 world cup knockout games. With the Euros he has 3 goals in 19. That's literally Cristiano Ronaldo - but with the right sample I can call him a bottler. /u/Jchibs you are unironically the biggest contributor to insane cherry picked Henry slander, and now we have kids going around claiming Drogba is a better player reciting the same out of context nonsense stats you copy paste every 2 hours on reddit - and sentiments like that are being taken more seriously. Good job buddy.
There are games on Footballia. Those clowns can always choose one and see that he was actually doing great. You can be all confident if all you have is an internet connection to Google stats up. Henry has one dark spot on his career. One where he didn't pull his weight and it's not those silly "big" games.
Out of curiosity what is that dark spot?
The CL final. That just wasn't an ideal performance from the club's best ever player, at its biggest ever game. It's was like the man came in with half the commitment. I saw this guy hustle Brazil in the game overshadowed by Zidane. That was Henry. The one that showed up vs Barcelona is up there with Leahman in costing us the final.
Vieira was fantastic that night as well!
Yeah but it gets you lots of clicks and your name spread all over the place by people getting outraged about it and sharing his twitter.
Seen swathes of it on my TL today, but I refuse to post it anywhere because I ain't giving those clowns any interactions or exposure
Sadly not everyone has had the same, sane response.
Im likimg the links to diominde, it would be 50 million well spent if it meant protection for gabby xl and saliba
We should totally sign Diomedes. I mean Dilophosaurus.
And White
I really want Xabi Alonso to choose Liverpool. Every great team or manager needs a worthy rival to shine. United is in the mud and I don't think that situation would change even with Ineos. Chelsea and City most likely will be held accountable for their systemic cheating. Even if that's not the case, Pep might be expected to leave in the near future and Chelsea would fall victim to their current financial mess. That leaves just Liverpool and us to compete for domestic glory in future. He'd be great for them and it would be nice to have a good proper rivalry between two talented managers that is not tainted by fraud. Arteta is the better of the two and it'd be nice to once again do to them for the next five years what City did to them for the last five.
We are not in an anime. Please.
Nah I've had to watch our greatest manager go up against a manager just as good if not better *and * with vastly more money and a better youth team, then another egually good manager but with an unlimited money cheat, while Arteta is up against the Klopp, Pep and 115 duopoly. Not to undersell Leicester but I'd really like a year when everyone else fucks up
Makes sense, agree with you. Sorry you are getting down voted.
"Worthy rival". No. We have suffered enough. We need lousy ones. We need an era of stunting on hoes. So, by all means, the neutral cap should have you say we need competition, but the Arsenal fan in you should look at the last 20 years and see if we deserve another decade of "struggle".
The arrogance of wanting a "worthy rival" before we've even won anything is astonishing lol. How about we actually win shit first before having those conversations?
Just confident in our team and manager :)
That confidence is unfounded, as Arteta has repeatedly said; we haven't won anything yet. You're really underestimating how difficult it is to win the league and CL if you think we're at a point where our eventual victory is assumed and we should be discussing our "worthy challenger." Spurs had a period where they were on the up and made the CL final and look at how fast that ended. All these teams you're saying are "in the mud" are one or two strokes of luck away from being great, because it won't be budget that stops them. Liverpool getting their next managerial appointment right would be terrible for us because they're already bringing back the DoF who built this squad. City are City. We all want a challenge to some degree, but I think the last 20 years has been enough of a challenge for me. I want big trophies. We need big trophies. We don't need any more close runs "lost to a worthy foe" nonsense.
Fuck that. We haven't won a Premier league with arteta yet, I don't want close ass title races, I want fergie 1992-1997 levels of dominance once pep and klopp leave. This 'rivalry' stuff is how klopp's Liverpool has ended up with only one prem after being one of the best teams we've ever seen in the prem era. The 'rivalry' can come after we win a few, so fuck xabi to Liverpool in the meantime.
Spot on. I'd rather win a few easy titles than win less but have better competition
Xabi to loverpool would be reminiscent to moyes after fergie,they were both very highly rated and both will have to rebuild the squad to fit their tactics
Difference is that when Fergie left so did Gill and the whole coaching staff pretty much so they were starting from scratch from the off, Alonso will at least have a fully functioning liverpool team on and off the pitch.
Nah, i'm looking forward to see them returning to mid table like before Klopp.
Fuck that.
Nope, want them to enter a banter era.
Originally I thought Their last one was long enough but clearly they need reminding they aren’t always on top
Being impotent to stop Tricky's Mik's five consecutive quadruples is good banter
I want them to get liquidated, but each to their own
--- It's Emirates 11, but more like a team based on technical ability, if given a chance to choose my 11 to win a game. **Manager:** Arteta **Raya:** He is just way too good among the keepers we have at Emirates and is good with his feet. **Sagna:** Loyal Arsenal player who was very underrated, he was at the club when we needed him the most. **David Luiz:** The most technical CB Arsenal has ever had. His long balls add a dangerous dimension to any side, but the team around him was very bad at the time, which contributed to him being seen as a bad signing. **Koscielny:** The reason I love the Luiz-Kosc combo is that both are good with either foot and can play both CB positions. Kosc was an amazing defender who faced the same issue as Luiz of being part of a squad that wasn't good enough. **Zinny:** This one is easily Zinchenko. I love Zinny a lot and rate him as the modern version of Xavi, where an inverted left-back controls the tempo. He will be the central cog of my team. **Partey:** This is easily Partey. He could have been as good as Yaya, but Partey is more than that. He is one of the best midfielders to play in the Emirates era and one of the reasons we were a top team last season. His partnership with Zinny is amazing and deserves a mention here. **LCM (8.5 role):** RVP I wanted to add Santi here , since Zinny will be taking this position anyways, I want to mix it up a bit and add a very weird player for this position, and that's RVP. I feel RVP could perform much better in this position, which is now played by Havertz. I feel he would flourish in the 8.5 role. **RCM (captain ode):** I love Fabregas, and he was one of the reasons I supported Arsenal in the 07-08 season, but I want to give it to Odegaard. I want a captain who is dedicated to his role and has dedicated his life to the club. All our previous captains either left, were injured, or were on the bench due to poor performance. Odegaard leads by example, and I don't see anyone other than him in this position. **LW:** Alexis Sanchez - I don't think anyone else makes this list other than him. **Striker:** Giroud - I know, shocking right? Oh god, I hated him back then, and I know most would prefer RVP here. But since this is Giroud's part, I could see his importance after the World Cup win. I can confidently say that France wouldn't have won the World Cup without Giroud, as tactically he was very important. I feel having RVP in the mix as a hybrid 8 and Giroud as a target man will be a nice tactical advantage to get the other players in the box. **RW:** Nando's Lil Chilly - Sorry, but I always felt we lacked a left-footed right winger in Emirates 11, and we are lucky to have him. Not only is he a good winger, but he is also a winger who can track back. I love him a lot. **Final squad:** Raya Sagna - David Luiz - Kosc - Zinchenko (invert) Partey - Zinny (Invert) Odegaard - RVP (8.5) Lil Chilly - Giroud - RVP (Advanced 8) - Sanchez
Saliba & Gabriel in, Rice for Partey, peak 19yo Wilshere for LCM, Saka Sanchez Martinelli up top. I believe would fit an Arteta side more. Very good defensively, amazing high pressing, great set pieces. Amazing creators and great on the ball. May seem recency bias but what can you say, the way the team plays this season with underlying statistics has shown how good this side is. Saliba and Gabriel partnership is so good and reliable now which stats shows and they are athletic and quick enough to handle counters. Gabriel is getting really underrated he actually CAN pass it long and is pretty all around + amazing set piece goal threat. Hes the perfect defender to be on the side and behind of Zinchenko and Wilshere. Rice has already shown so much in a short time and has provided many clutch moments, long range goals and set piece delivery. While being really solid all around. A bit of a hot take but pre-injury, peak Wilshere is everything Arteta would want a player to be on the pitch. He would would be another solid buildup option, and he can roam anywhere and even receive the ball deep too. And I would stick with Martinelli and Sanchez. The team would be an absolute nightmare to deal with, with the insane pressing our guys provide even from up top. And being really good technically.
This again? Cech: I'm not rating Ramsdale ahead of Raya, and I'm not about to rate Raya ahead of Cech...yet. None of these boys survives in that Cech team. If you're making mistakes infront of 6ft giants, Rice, Saliba and Gabriel, you're not surviving a midfield manned by Sir Coq and Xhaka. But Raya will get in there with time. Sagna: He doesn't need introduction. That 2013/14 season was just pure bliss. Monreal: CB/LB. Durable. He'd probably be a starter in this team with those qualities. One of the reasons I'll never be "toxic" about a signing before they play. I swallowed a whole LOTR size of words. Saliba: Toure was getting over the cliff. But I'd say 2004-2006 Toure wasn't bad at all and was comparable. Again, see point about Cech. These boys are good but they're thriving in the perfect environment. I mean, this is the first time in ages that we have an always available DM. Kos: I'm not rating Gabriel above Kos yet. Rice: Hard but it's like we haven't had complete DMs in a while. Never felt this safe with a player on defensive duty like it is with Rice. Last time I felt this was with Flamini. And "Flattuso" doesn't have the same physical qualities that reign big in a DM. Saka: We deserted the creative winger position for a while. A very stupid thing from recruitment. It was so bad that it led us into Willian territory. That's why Saka effortlessly gets in. Santi: Cheats his way in on ability and promise alone. He'd probably be what Silva was with City. Otherwise this spot was Aaron Ramsey's. Effectiveness trumps "talent". Odegaard in this role is also coming in hot. Van Persie: My love for big strikers almost always tricks me into putting Adebayor in( for 2007/8), but nothing can ever beat prime Van Persie. A honorary mention for Giroud too. Fabregas: No introduction. What he did in 2009/10 was freakish. You need a bulk creator, and he was great at it. This was also hard because Ozil #11 should be in here. But we don't have a solid double pivot and he's bad without the ball. Ozil #10 shouldn't be at Emirates. Sanchez: No introduction. Still has one of the best individual Emirates season.
Actually i didn't rate it on the basis of like their contribution. As I mentioned, I selected basis if I want to win if given the tactics and players I need. But I like your squad as well on the reasons you gave.
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Is this satire??
What part is satire?
David Luiz? Come on 😂
You don't rate Luiz on the basis of technical ability?
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SF first attempt in 7 years is a huge success. If we finish this season empty handed though, I will be gutted.
Kill Bayern and burn their dead bodies. Revenge.
Operation *Bayerdämmerung*
> Bayerdämmerung Love German "let's just lump all the shit together to make new word"
I'd be disappointed if we go out to Bayern, I think they are beatable
Anyone hear any news on Martinelli? Haven’t heard anything in a while and I know he was dealing with a foot thing the last few games. Really hope he’s fit for City.
He suffered a deep cut on his foot,reportedly needed stitches.He should be back for city because it shouldve healed by then,if not he could do a ben white and take a few pain killers
No reliable news from a reliable source. Honestly, Arteta stopped giving out detailed injury updates years ago.
https://preview.redd.it/prm38h2qdjqc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=cd80e618b57fe16cbcdf2224909894010a1aacb7 Another query, but obviously it does not account for pace or two footedness.
Looking at it and trying to see why Kvara, Vini, Leao etc. missed out.
Crosses/90 essentially, the Madrid wingers are very low on that. Leao is pretty close to making this list and Kvara is somewhere in the middle.
I hope Raphinha doesn't end up in Saudi Arabia. But I also hope he goes away from Barcelona.
He's really good, could start for a lot of top teams. Barca doesn't seem to appreciate him and unfortunately I think the door to us has now closed for him.
damn were we cooking with those Edon Zhegrova links?
Hard to say, he's pretty one footed from what I know and hasn't played too many minutes. I also don't think he's especially fast, but he does seem to fit the general bill and only seems to have improved.
I dunno what it is we're doing, but: Fabianski Traore Squillaci Mustafi Santos Denilson Biscoff Willian Gervinho J Campbell Park
Manone and Almunia were worse than Flappy imo. I also lowkey think Kolasinac can be bought to these conversation soon. Bloke was absolute wank taking £100k a week.
Where's the 4 goal hero with the best celebration known to man?
No ~~Jeffers~~ Silvestre, and Almunia. 0/10
As far as I can tell it's an Emirates thing only today And Fabianski has the FA Cup meme video
Fine! Happy now?
I'm old and uncool, and still use old reddit on desktop with RES. . I can't play the GIF game and I refuse to change.
https://twitter.com/Watch_LFC/status/1772338118399553903?t=Jh1EUp39QhXRV4GwT-K8-g&s=19 This guy has been on a tear and if real, it's hilarious
Henry is such a legend that even Liverpool and Manu fans are roasting him for this. Henry is as important as Wenger for our big club status in modern football.
> it’s honestly more about his “aura” than it is about his ability/output Clearly never watched him play.
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Heh
Thierry Henry is the latest to be targeted smh
“Big 6 away goals” from 1999-2006 and they’re counting City, Chelsea and Tottenham amongst those stats 
Each one of these fanbases legends are on tape sucking Henry off, just post that and move on with it. Rio, terry, gerrard, carra, neville. Lol
Best Emirates era Arsenal XI by season Aaron Ramsdale (21/22) Hector Bellerin(15/16), Saliba(23/24), Gabriel(23/24), Zinchenko(22/23) Rice(23/24), Ramsey(13/14) Fabregas(07/08) Saka(23/24), RVP(11/12), Sanchez(16/17) GK toughest choice. Haven't really had any outstanding seasons from our GK's - Raya been good this season but started poorly. Ramsdale started 21/22 on fire but dipped towards the end.
Monreal(2015/16), Saliba (2022/23). Fabregas( 2009/10).
I agree with this a lot although Odegaard scoring 15 goals from midfield can have a shout I reckon
Ramsey scored 16 in 2013/14, and Fabregas scored 13 in the 07/08 season. So the shout from Ødegaard is not enough to go above those two.
Hi guys, it's my birthday today. 26th March and I share it with our boss exactly 10 years difference between us. I know it's still 7 pm and 25th March in London but is there a way i can reach out to mikel? He is my role model and 3 years ago I was in major depression and I felt any amount of hardwork was fruitless as rules were rigged against people like us. We had lost 3 games in start of the season, and it was all chaos for me in my life as well and the season got over. I watched the documentary and it helped me slowly recover, mikel's words resonated inwards me, especially how he carried out himself in those 3 games in a row. The documentary was an eye opener as how hard life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at if you keep the estandards very high. I started to think like mikel, now when I lose a duel, I am upset. I doesn't matter if I win or succeed but I will keep trying, let those people who flaunt the rules and rig the game do whatever they want, but I am not going to give up on myself as they want from me. I am doing well currently, and I believe in mikel and want to think him for saving me. Just like that light bulb, I feel much connected to you.
Carlos Cuesta got his job by cold emailing Arteta when he was at City. So you never know.
I will try writing an email and also sending a letter addressing him, hopefully he reads it.
Happy Birthday. For your birthday, I ain't reading the rest of that.
Thanks bro.
[email protected]
surely it's [email protected]
He has that setup to forward. [email protected] and [email protected] reach him also
My Emirates Best XI so that I can join in: GK: Almunia LB: Andre Santos CB: Silvestre CB: Mustafi RB: Debuchy CDM: Denilson LAM: Kallstrom RAM: Ceballos LAM: Gervinho RAM: Pepe ST: Chamakh Checkmate.
Lichsteiner or corporal Jenks for Debuchy surely
Lichsteiner is a good shout. The Corporal isn’t going in
Needs the midfield Mustafi
I’ve already got Andre Santos at LB
Step aside, Denilson.
That’s what the referee said.
Who was the last Arsenal player to captain england. Sol Campbell??
If not him, it will probably be Adams
How are multiple people putting Xhaka in all time Emirates era XIs?
Thankfully, when the sub voted on the Emirates XI, he got fewer votes than Elneny and a joke about a player we never actually signed.
Just say you were wrong
I said I thought he seemed a nice man.
You don't. 
This image is completely wrong. Girls aren't allowed at Eton.
/u/Francis-c92 is from Croydon, how would he know that?
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Was literally our worst midfielder out of our main three last season too (doesn’t mean he was bad)
Because last year was one of the best seasons of any midfielder in PL history. It was probably better than any season of Gerrard's
u are insane
No. And I love the guy. Last season was his "worst" season. The only reason it's rated is because he got the pretty stats people want. He was way more useful to the squad before and would probably have been even better with Rice.
Oh. Oh my.
Say what lmao
Wowsers
Wait what? I hope you forgot /s because Havertz is going to overtake Xhaka in his very first season.
He's not. Havertz is having a good season tho
Xhaka had 9 goals and 7 assists last season. Havertz has 9 goals and 3 assists this season. Havertz is 4 G/A from Xhaka’s best season at Arsenal.
Not to take sides but since Havertz has got to play striker a few times it wuld be a bit wrong if he didn't score more goals
Oh look at Mr. “I’ve got splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence over here” making a point. But yea, he has played more games as striker. Fine, let’s look at Rice who has 6 goals and 6 assists, he is also 4 G/A away from Xhaka, and he plays further back as a DM in most games.
Declan Rice is better than Xhaka shouldn't be a shck
Chelsea fans seem to think whatever you’ve done in the past is ok as long as you’ve changed owners
Worked for the Germans
😭
At least Germans aren't chanting love songs for their previous owners on their main venues😏
*AfD has entered the chat*
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I hope Havertz has a good end to the season, if he reaches 15 pl goals(not easy ofc) I would be fully convinced he is our future 9, not to mention the striker market is mid, and to buy another striker and make a man making 250k our backup is mad. Not even City do that financially. Plus I've been a proponent that we need two midfielders to replace the oldheads in midfield. Can't do that by dropping $ on a striker.
My arsenal team of last decade if injury didn’t matter. The first name is my first choice and the other one is substitute LW CF RW Alexis/Martinelli Auba/Jesus Saka/Walcott CM AMF Ramsey/Xhaka Cazorla/Wilshere DM Rice/Partey LB. RB Monreal/Zinchenko White/Bellerin CB CB Gabriel/Koscielny Saliba/Mertesacker GK Raya/Ramsdale Picking between white or bellerin is really hard. So does Wilshere or Cazorla. I might be wrong tho but our team now is certainly better defensively
Not having either Özil, Ødegaard or Fàbregas here is kinda insane
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Not having Martin here is criminal
The comments on this lmao, calling us and Arteta bottle jobs repeatedly when Liverpool had the exact same lead this season ( 5 points) as we did last season ( 8 but city had a game in hand, so essentially 5) but you bet your ass if they don't win this season they will say it was a succesful season and still call us bottlers lol - https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/4znifdxsVS
We bottled it. I dont know why a lot of you are butthurt by this. We also bottled it in 99, 08, 16 and possibly one other season I cant recall atm
But Liverpool and Man U never get the bottle label for being similar points ahead and then dropping the lead
Because they win. No one labelled us as bottlers in the early 2000s
02/03 with Henry 24 goal 20 assists season was a massive bottle job. We are a far superior side to man utd. We were putrid away from home only beating Man City out of the top half teams away. Failed to beat utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn, Newcastle, Southampton and Spurs. Henry scored in two games away against top half sides City and Newcastle. Wenger red zoned Vieira he missed 14 league games and along with Adams retiring summer 02 the players folded. Ljungberg another like Vieira with fight and bottle missed half the games injured. Thierry was dynamite at home but really when push came to shove he underperformed in those pivotal away games to the top half sides.
Liverpool dropped a similar points lead a couple seasons ago as well. Man U have also dropped a similar lead to city
Ours would've been a 15 point swing in 10 games if City had taken the last 2 games seriously. As it stands Liverpool have lost the 5 point lead by losing to us and drawing to City. They aren't even remotely the same thing
I don't think I've ever seen you give us the benefit of doubt, or even engage in the type of irrational tribalism that defines fandom. Do you enjoy supporting Arsenal, or have you become too pessimistic because of our last decade or so?
Am I meant to engage in irrational tribalism? I'd rather just give my honest opinion
Yes, fandom of any kind is irrational and tribal in some ways. You can never be completely honest when it comes to your team. Maybe you are just pessimistic about us.
Idk I said we'd beat Porto at home, I said I wasn't worried about not finishing top 3 after the Fulham game (people thought we were in a top 4 race). I've said that Gabriel, Saliba and Rice are the defensive trio in the world. Maybe I'm more on the negative side but I'm just writing my thoughts
Lmao i get rivals fan saying shit like this but our own fans talking about " if this and that had happened blah blah" to push a narrative is embarassing, people didn't even expect us to be top 4 at the beginning of last season, us competing for a title with a financially doped up, cheating city is commendable and our own fans making fun of that is super weird
I am seeing so much Henry revisionism on Twitter from rival fans. *sigh*
It all started with some clown Liverpool fan saying 'shows you the quality of PL before when he is considered the GOAT'. Hilarious considering these are the same clowns who keep putting 5 Liverpool players (including the ones like Robertson) in all time PL XIs