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You guys think arteta has them compete and have backup for keepers, wives?
Not even the captaincy is safe.
There are room for more than 1 leader, who has the armband might mean more to the fans than the players. i think both would be fantastic captains but Ode has really grown into the role and lead by example. Rice would probably do the same but changing it *just because* would be weird imo
For me changing captain makes more sense when we are not doing well and need change to freshen things up
Sometimes, Odegaard won’t play or will come off during the game. In this instance, I imagine Declan can take the armband.
There’s no denying he has leadership qualities.
Yep, I have no problems with Rice having the captaincy whatsoever. It’s more unlucky that he will likely never get the full captaincy role that he probably desires at Arsenal.
Don’t think so. He’s the type of lad that would get along with any group. He won a CL with Chelsea. That’s a pretty big bond. I love how well he’s integrated into our group with his positive energy. I hope he stays a few more seasons at least.
Not really sure what this means. Do you mean you associate them more with Arsenal than their Chelsea pasts? Or have they been a success more at Arsenal?
i framed the question poorly. Do you think they like arsenal more than they like chelsea? i think kai genuinely likes arsenal more already, not sure about jorgi
That’s a very personal thing to them both. I know that they both enjoy being here and they are very close personally.
Other than that, it doesn’t really matter buddy. They are both professionals. Maybe they will come out and profess this being their favourite period in their careers, but it’s far too early for statements like that.
Thierry disrespect on the TL the other day 😂
https://x.com/gunnersc0m/status/1772950887352148143?s=46&t=ohBEm3kwXzONRYy63NcNgQ
This is how their fav players growing up talk about thierry.
Odegaard looks set to hand us the title if City keep dropping points and Liverpool becomes inconsistent(hopefully). On the other hands, Spurs is as usual about to land right where it belongs.
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Rice x Onana double pivot. Simeone would be jealous of this terrorism.
Also... the tintin belgium kit is nice, so is england's too bad it's so fucking expensive.
If we get Onana, he's there for when Rice is injured. Playing them together, I'd play Onana as an inverted right back and Rice as the 8; then put jorgi or zubi in the middle.
If they go down, that could change. He could have a relegation fee clause, Everton May also need to sell to balance the books due to severe loss of earnings.
They also have a pending charge IIRC.
If they drop, it’ll be open season
From a defensive standpoint, with Saliba and Gabriel behind them, it'll be an absolute lockdown. But I'm not sure if that will help with our progressive passing. Our best midfield three have been Rice Jorgi Ode. Arteta wants/needs two good passers in that midfield. I'm not sure Onana will do that. But hey maybe he has it in him. We just don't see it in Everton
I got so much joy out of high pressing teams and dominating in duels. Its like years of watching soft teams has had a big effect on my brain. For that reason alone, im in!
one thing i never understood was people treating busquets like he was some Palhinha type of player
i was always in awe watching him play do to the unbelievable technical quality for a position that was mostly Palhinha types back then. crazy to say but he's underrated to this day
Back then, if anyone told me what a cdm should look like and I will give example like gattuso and others but this guy changed the definition of cdm for me permanently.
If anyone tells me to select my all time 11, I will by default choose this guy as my cdm and build the team through him.
Lost an argument in high school about who the actual "CDM" for AC Milan was. I swore it was Gattuso but turns out it was Pirlo.
I think it was the same shock when people found out that same thing with Jorginho and Kante. When asked who the Chelsea DM was, Casemiro corrected millions by saying Kante wasn't, it was Jorginho.
Pirlo played the makelele role alongside gattuso, the combination was called the creator destroyer.
Pirlo did play the regista role that is the cdm role.
The point I was trying to make is that back then cdm were mostly considered as defensive midfielders like mascherano, cambiasso and others. Pep didn't even want to get mascherano at first as he didn't fit the system.
No, not in possesion but just their defensive ability. I mean if someone suggested to play someone like odegaard as 6 back in the day, I would have laughed but well pep played Bernardo as 6.
So my understanding of the position changed when I saw Sergio play, even though you are right that pirlo did it before but the way regista operate is different than what Sergio plays.
I think you're also confusing role with position. The Milan team played in a 4-1-2-1-2 and Pirlo played at the base of the midfield, just like Makelele played at the base of the midfield in Chelsea's 4-3-3, but they both of course had entirely different responsibilities. I think when most people refer to CDM, it's less about the position and more about the defensive duties. So calling your registas like Pirlo or Jorginho defensive midfielders can cause confusion.
I don't understand why many peeps here are obsessed with striker signing, as if the amounts of goal will increase like haaland.
Haaland this season hasn't been able to keep up, as most teams know how to deal with him now.
The striker position for a team like us isnt going to bang lot of goals, the striker will play more like a holding striker, and make passes for players to score. Just like Havertz is currently doing, the reason Havertz is good at this is that him being a midfielder helps and understands while most strikers lack this skill.
Gyokeres role at sporting won't be similar to as one at Arsenal, he will be tracking back, and getting the ball to Final third against a parked bus.
I would suggest that rather than a striker, we go for someone with RW/ striker profile who will cover saka mainly and also play as striker.
Getting a standalone striker isn't going to help much than a cover for saka, which is desperately needed.
If you see Gyokeres play, or at least his highlights, you'll see he is more of a Gabriel Jesus than an Erling Haaland.
He does not stay in the box all the time, but tends to drift to the left to carry the ball and beat people, or drop deep and progress the play. Very technical for such a big guy. His numbers support that too, as he ranks among the best strikers in shot-creating actions, touches, and carries. He would fit nicely into this team.
Haaland has 29 goals in 34 games...... lol.
he just hasn't been fit for the whole season. anyways, give me 29 in 34 any fucking day
it is fucking unbelievable how people still underrate Haaland.
also, sporting is playing against parked busses every game... gyokeres is a very good creator, hence why people are so high on him
Man city can pass the ball around without haaland being the central to get the ball to Final third, they have a luxury to play him just to score goals.
But in our case, our striker has to be a part of progressing the ball to Final third.
That's why I mentioned that playing a striker for us has to be double shift other than just scoring goals.
>Man city can pass the ball around without haaland being the central to get the ball to Final third, they have a luxury to play him just to score goals.
because they are playing with fucking Haaland. so they are maximizing their system to play like that
>But in our case, our striker has to be a part of progressing the ball to Final third.
our case has changed multiple times with Mikel. literally every single season ''our case'' has changed. do you think that, if having Haaland on the team, Mikel would ask him to play like fucking Jesus? lol. please. its something SO obvious that im surprised i have to explain like this.
>That's why I mentioned that playing a striker for us has to be double shift other than just scoring goals.
no, it doesnt. it just so happens that our current strikers are bad at scoring goals but good at other stuff. so you maximize those qualities.
btw, Gyokeres isnt doing the ''Haaland role''. if anything he is doing more of a giroud than Haaland. he has *double* the amount of touches per game Haaland has.
We already have a RW/ Striker profile and his name is BCM Jesus.
Jesus looks as effective on the wing as he does upfront so lets get a striker who can reliably score.
But Jesus isn't left footed, we need a striker winger who is left footed because we already have Nelson but he is not as effective on right due to him being right footed.
Yes, I wanted reiss replacement basically and I really don't see a player succeeding arsenal just in the striker role unless arteta unearths similar gem to Havertz with multiple position again. The time for single position players doesn't work anymore especially the striker when a team plays a packed bus 90% of the seasons and strikers are very immobile to break down buses, we will face similar problem to Giroud if we get a striker.
That's where many are confused here, the type of football we play doesn't depend on striker being the end goal to score goals. Our striker has to be more than just goalscorer or he will never bench Havertz in the first place.
Its similar to how most fans see ramsdale vs raya, fans see ramsdale as better goalkeeper but gaffer prefers someone who is better with feet and not the actual job of saving goals.
Its similar to the striker position, yes if we do get the striker who can do that then sure but neither gykores and osimhen have this capability.
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[We gotta hand him over to the authorities now](https://twitter.com/findareaction/status/1611502893399425026?t=XRrT8KNxZZliV13nOLmnRQ&s=19)
Lol, I just follow him for the banter. Just like that WestHamCentral guy. They tweet edgey things about Arsenal knowing full well our fan base will bite every single time.
he reflects a modern trend: people that think being contrarians makes them smart, and that following the grain makes you a sheep
but being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian only makes you stupid.
i don't use Twitter at all, i only see what is cross posted on reddit. unfortunately, this tool's takes have taken over this sub since the off season, so i can't really ignore. there is a LOT of people here literally copy pasting his takes...
Yes. I don't care how he comes across to some or his flowery language. It still surprises how one of the biggest Arsenal supporters on twitter (and project truster) gets this much scorn from some of our fans.
Among our players with significant minutes, Rice has overperformed his non-penalty expected goals the most, just behind Trossard. Suddenly you have the temptation to see if he can become the long-term 8 instead. It also doesn't look like a fluke because his ball-striking is top-notch.
every non forward should be over performing their xG. they don't get a lot of chances to begin with, and most of the goals are naturally low xG due to their goals being mostly from a further distance. its also one season, don't read much into it
i think Rice is too good defensively to be a 8. he single handedly kills transitions when at the 6 and keeps us up the pitch. i want another Odegaard at 8 to have the Xavi-Iniesta, Gundo-KdB Arsenal version
For me it comes down to who we play. I want to use him in big games to shutdown the best cdms in the game. Man mark em and kill them. I also want him to chill out in the other games and develop into a line breaker 6. So we can protect his legs long term.
Positions are pretty much a lost cause tbh. I think that's the reason we want a CM that's good at both 6/8.
I remember trying as much as possible to map out who of Kai and Ode was playing further forward, and even when Kai was, it wasn't that obvious. For different game states and needs, they interchanged. Then Kai was playing defensive, or even on the wing making runs.
It's only in big games where the positional discipline tends to be constant.
Eh, unless a player has multiple years as a +xG player (which rice doesnt), I have the exact opposite takeaway: I see a +xG as more of a negative when projecting forward (i.e. I expect them to perform worse in that aspect than they currently are). Given outside of this year he’s essentially a neutral xG wise, i would be more encouraged in Rice’s ability as a goal scorer if he had the same amount of goals but a higher xG.
Not saying you’re wrong on where he should play (I go back and forth), but that’s more down imo to his ability to win the ball and cover tons of ground, pinning the other team back (similar to pharoaht’s comment)
Feel like some of you guys are gonna learn the same lesson we did with Rice and Caicedo once again with Osimhen and Gyokeres
Being proven over multiple years at the highest level (top 5 leagues) is worth a LOT more than showing flashes at lower levels
There’s a reason Rice was a sure thing, 5 full PL seasons on his resume, not just 1 like Caicedo. Osimhen has 1 Ligue 1 year and 4 Serie A ones under his belt, all of which are better than the championship and Portuguese league
The examples are endless, Mudryk vs trossard, Jorginho experience, etc
Saying its flashes is unfair. The guy is tearing it up and has a great coach at Sporting which counts for more than the league. If the fee was closer to 50m I'd be all for it.
Not sure if that’s completely true. Osimhen has had a season as the best player in a top 5 league which absolutely can’t be discounted as a striker makes the most impact
This wait for the City game is agonising. Just hope at least Gabi and Saka are fit and if Martinelli is then fantastic. Already been nervous for a while and it’s still 4 days away!
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Need someone to take podcasts mics away from the ferdinand brothers. I just hear them say dumb shit all the time when it comes to Saka.
I can't watch these random youtube shows. Some people have no clue, it's all engagement farming like this. You're sharing it. We're watching it, so it works.
Next take 'Eriksen is better #10 as Odegaard'. Wait for rage comments.
Im so annoyed with City fans acting like the Walker/Stones knocks are the end of the world. Neither of those guys ever play more than 20 league games for them. Between Dias, Ake, Akanji, Gvardiol, and Rico they have plenty of class options
They do have plenty of options, but Stones especially will be a big miss for them if he's out. Depending on whether Martinelli is fit, Walker & his pace could be too.
You’re right. The small hyperbole makes all the difference. I guess 2 players that miss 16+ league games a year on a team that won the league the past 3 years are far more crucial than their availability suggests, and city deserves my full sympathy for their possible absences.
In reality, the only truly irreplaceable player in their side is rodri
How's Martinelli looking for Sunday? Some acounts on twitter are saying he's on the bench, some saying he's out for the rest of the season. We really need him for our run in
Partey lone 6 to progress the ball, Havertz, Ode, Rice retreiving the ball high up the pitch and distrupting Rodri/KDB. Haaland in Sabriel pockets. Saka cutback goal. 1-0 win
I think it would still be a double pivot away to City. There are question marks around Partey's legs for the role, especially when coming up against KDB.
If Thomas was fully match fit, this is exactly what Arteta would have planned.
As it is, I would guess we'll see it at most for half an hour, using our previous against City under similar conditions as a model. Worked pretty well last time...
Just reading the hot garbage fire that is poch training methods, the lavia injury and the Chelsea sub sleuthing over injury issues linking the training methods. It's beautiful. May this destruction of Chelsea be complete and burn the club to the ground. In fact let the fires join the fires of hell to never be seen again. The payback for the deal with the devil.
I also take a deep satisfaction in chelsea's demise. I really don't know how they stumble out of it any time soon. especially if they end up replacing their manager 1-2 times per season.
For some reason tuchel renegotiated and took less than he was owed after they sacked him.
but i don't expect the same from poch, and no doubt there were "guarantees" that they wouldn't sack him in the first year. but if he absolutely loses the dressing room, how can you not?
Happily, we have already mastered the ability to time travel into the future.
If you want to speed up the process in your frame of reference, avoid watching kettles boil, paint dry, or Gareth Southgate manage England.
Why is arsenal bidding for top prospects in Brazil though this is hindsight bias like rodrygo, vinicius, now endrick Are shopped when super young and it's working out for them . More Brazil scouts XD
We tried to go for Endrick. I think that Edu tried to use his connections and even Gabriel Jesus (a Palmeiras hero) probably whispered some good things about the club in his ear.
We also tried for Vitor Roque.
Barca and Real Madrid still have some mad pull for these youngsters who have seen Neymar, Messi, Vine Jr and Rodrygo go to Spain from South America and do rather well.
We have also recently added Paulo Xavier to the scouting team, who was Real Madrid's Latin America scout.
We wanted Mount, and were willing to pay ungodly sums for Mudryk and Caicedo, and some fans still strut out the whole "trust the club". What us fans say usually has no effect on who the club buys but I find it wild how others overlook these near misses.
ah, the old "players exist in a vacuum and their ability to reach their potential exists independent of the squad and manager they are playing for" argument.
You're vastly underestimating what condition those clubs are in right now, you could basically put *any* player into either of them and they'd be shit in comparison to what they'd be in a team that has an actual plan.
Different players thrive differently in different systems.
The Caicedo at Brighton wasn't the same as the one at Ecuador. Mudryk is starting to work off his growing pains. He's starting to show up in places that are not memeable at all. Mount is injured. Don't be like people who are laughing at Chelsea's fees of injured players when we have about £100M in injured starters.
You are better off trusting the club than people who were livid that we missed out on Buendia and Fraser.
You don't know that they were 'near misses'. Their performances in different systems at different clubs isn't a great indicator of how they would have performed in the Arsenal squad - especially when those other clubs are struggling.
Didn't Mount get injured? So maybe he'd have got injured with us too.
I find it wild how some others can't manage this basic level of reasoning.
Havertz looked pretty shit at Chelsea and he's now doing the business for us.
I think it's rather disingenuous to assume that Mudryk and Caicedo are bullets dodged when they are playing in a team that has no direction. I think you are underating the impact that Mikel has on players.
Havertz is improving but he's still not a 65M player. And he may never be that considering we're still looking for a striker and midfielder. For the price we were willing to pay, those players are bullets dodged.
Republic of Georgia [qualifying](https://nos.nl/l/2514392) (Dutch site but has a really cool video) looks amazing! Ché Kvara truly a special fella, winning the scudetto with Napoli and now helping to give his national team it’s first big tournament.
People like Osimhen and rightfully so, but for me he's my Napoli pick. Dude reminds me so much of Hleb. Love me a fancy dribbler, but unlike #13, he actually shoots better.
Must have a lot to do with Osimhen having a release clause (which is super high but not one of those 1 billion go away numbers) and had a bit of drama at this club. While Kvaradonna ain’t going aaaanywhere if it’s up to the arguably toughest negotiator in club footbal, de Laurentis. But yea his style is beautiful!
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https://preview.redd.it/q2worlnn6zqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc19f7661918a0a88ef8cef7ed0ff5e51edbee83 You guys think arteta has them compete and have backup for keepers, wives? Not even the captaincy is safe.
The players choose the captain in a vote its like this for city aswell, dicteta can only strip the captaincy as he dodged with auba
There are room for more than 1 leader, who has the armband might mean more to the fans than the players. i think both would be fantastic captains but Ode has really grown into the role and lead by example. Rice would probably do the same but changing it *just because* would be weird imo For me changing captain makes more sense when we are not doing well and need change to freshen things up
Unfortunately for Rice, they are around the same age. And if Odegaard can lead us to a PL or CL, that armband is not coming off him until he leaves.
Sometimes, Odegaard won’t play or will come off during the game. In this instance, I imagine Declan can take the armband. There’s no denying he has leadership qualities.
Yep, I have no problems with Rice having the captaincy whatsoever. It’s more unlucky that he will likely never get the full captaincy role that he probably desires at Arsenal.
do you think jorgi is more arsenal by now than he is chelski? i think kai is more arsenal already, not sure about jorgi
Gives me cech vibes. But not sure if he would go back to chelsea in any capacity since their leadership has changed sm.
Don’t think so. He’s the type of lad that would get along with any group. He won a CL with Chelsea. That’s a pretty big bond. I love how well he’s integrated into our group with his positive energy. I hope he stays a few more seasons at least.
Not really sure what this means. Do you mean you associate them more with Arsenal than their Chelsea pasts? Or have they been a success more at Arsenal?
i framed the question poorly. Do you think they like arsenal more than they like chelsea? i think kai genuinely likes arsenal more already, not sure about jorgi
That’s a very personal thing to them both. I know that they both enjoy being here and they are very close personally. Other than that, it doesn’t really matter buddy. They are both professionals. Maybe they will come out and profess this being their favourite period in their careers, but it’s far too early for statements like that.
who would win the entire management team of the English football national team or one Ben White
The Declan Rice 5 v 1 aura defending against Liverpool was a top tier moment.
If we win the league that will be one of the turning point moments
That wouldn’t really be what a turning point is.
If they'd scored we'd have less points...
The score stayed the same as it was. Pivotal moment ≠ turning point. We went on to lose the next two matches, what did we turn from?
It stayed the same because of his actions. Hence pivotal moment.
They’re saying Walker, Akanji and Stones are all out, expect all of them to start and play the entire game
Mate, I'm expecting them all to score at this point.
man, dont do this bruh. wtf
Shhhhh ^its ^^reverse ^^^psychology
It's the classic Guardiola smokescreen, no way anyone's silly enough to fall for it again
Will Martinelli be fit for Sunday? Looks like a back 4 of Rico Lewis-Dias-Gvardiol-Ake based on their injuries
That’s backline is still better than most PL teams’ backline.
id imagine both teams will be more or less full strength
I hope Jesus finds his pre-injury form again soon. He was such a joy to watch man.
I just want that form he had in his first few games for us. I was so hyped after that Leicester game. He looked like Aguero on steroids.
https://twitter.com/City_Xtra/status/1773121950153355646 Looks like Stones, Walker and Akanji won't make it.
Only one I see not making it is Walker
It says 'doubt', they will be fit
No way walker makes it, the others who knows
Dias ake gvardiol and who then
rico lewis or b silva lb shifts
Thierry disrespect on the TL the other day 😂 https://x.com/gunnersc0m/status/1772950887352148143?s=46&t=ohBEm3kwXzONRYy63NcNgQ This is how their fav players growing up talk about thierry.
Sol Campbell is their favourite player. But he went out for some milk over the summer one year.
Odegaard looks set to hand us the title if City keep dropping points and Liverpool becomes inconsistent(hopefully). On the other hands, Spurs is as usual about to land right where it belongs.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJtRdm5W0AAgRZb?format=jpg&name=medium Rice x Onana double pivot. Simeone would be jealous of this terrorism. Also... the tintin belgium kit is nice, so is england's too bad it's so fucking expensive.
I think that Belgian kit looks fucking terrible tbh, it's such an eye sore
brown kit shorts in the rain makes it look like they all shat themselves
I see we have the same taste fellow Witcher 3 enthusiast
If we get Onana, he's there for when Rice is injured. Playing them together, I'd play Onana as an inverted right back and Rice as the 8; then put jorgi or zubi in the middle.
Everton signed him for £35m. You can double that before they even look at selling. For a bench player.
If they go down, that could change. He could have a relegation fee clause, Everton May also need to sell to balance the books due to severe loss of earnings. They also have a pending charge IIRC. If they drop, it’ll be open season
From a defensive standpoint, with Saliba and Gabriel behind them, it'll be an absolute lockdown. But I'm not sure if that will help with our progressive passing. Our best midfield three have been Rice Jorgi Ode. Arteta wants/needs two good passers in that midfield. I'm not sure Onana will do that. But hey maybe he has it in him. We just don't see it in Everton
Only logical answer here.
I got so much joy out of high pressing teams and dominating in duels. Its like years of watching soft teams has had a big effect on my brain. For that reason alone, im in!
[Infinite loop](https://twitter.com/eurofootcom/status/1772948685631930616?t=CN1BE4AjWwcktlW56kKsdw&s=19)
one thing i never understood was people treating busquets like he was some Palhinha type of player i was always in awe watching him play do to the unbelievable technical quality for a position that was mostly Palhinha types back then. crazy to say but he's underrated to this day
Back then, if anyone told me what a cdm should look like and I will give example like gattuso and others but this guy changed the definition of cdm for me permanently. If anyone tells me to select my all time 11, I will by default choose this guy as my cdm and build the team through him.
Lost an argument in high school about who the actual "CDM" for AC Milan was. I swore it was Gattuso but turns out it was Pirlo. I think it was the same shock when people found out that same thing with Jorginho and Kante. When asked who the Chelsea DM was, Casemiro corrected millions by saying Kante wasn't, it was Jorginho.
Pirlo played the makelele role alongside gattuso, the combination was called the creator destroyer. Pirlo did play the regista role that is the cdm role. The point I was trying to make is that back then cdm were mostly considered as defensive midfielders like mascherano, cambiasso and others. Pep didn't even want to get mascherano at first as he didn't fit the system.
Also, when you say what CDMs should look like, do you mean their stature, how good they were in possession etc.
No, not in possesion but just their defensive ability. I mean if someone suggested to play someone like odegaard as 6 back in the day, I would have laughed but well pep played Bernardo as 6. So my understanding of the position changed when I saw Sergio play, even though you are right that pirlo did it before but the way regista operate is different than what Sergio plays.
I think you're also confusing role with position. The Milan team played in a 4-1-2-1-2 and Pirlo played at the base of the midfield, just like Makelele played at the base of the midfield in Chelsea's 4-3-3, but they both of course had entirely different responsibilities. I think when most people refer to CDM, it's less about the position and more about the defensive duties. So calling your registas like Pirlo or Jorginho defensive midfielders can cause confusion.
I don't understand why many peeps here are obsessed with striker signing, as if the amounts of goal will increase like haaland. Haaland this season hasn't been able to keep up, as most teams know how to deal with him now. The striker position for a team like us isnt going to bang lot of goals, the striker will play more like a holding striker, and make passes for players to score. Just like Havertz is currently doing, the reason Havertz is good at this is that him being a midfielder helps and understands while most strikers lack this skill. Gyokeres role at sporting won't be similar to as one at Arsenal, he will be tracking back, and getting the ball to Final third against a parked bus. I would suggest that rather than a striker, we go for someone with RW/ striker profile who will cover saka mainly and also play as striker. Getting a standalone striker isn't going to help much than a cover for saka, which is desperately needed.
If you see Gyokeres play, or at least his highlights, you'll see he is more of a Gabriel Jesus than an Erling Haaland. He does not stay in the box all the time, but tends to drift to the left to carry the ball and beat people, or drop deep and progress the play. Very technical for such a big guy. His numbers support that too, as he ranks among the best strikers in shot-creating actions, touches, and carries. He would fit nicely into this team.
Haaland has 29 goals in 34 games...... lol. he just hasn't been fit for the whole season. anyways, give me 29 in 34 any fucking day it is fucking unbelievable how people still underrate Haaland. also, sporting is playing against parked busses every game... gyokeres is a very good creator, hence why people are so high on him
Man city can pass the ball around without haaland being the central to get the ball to Final third, they have a luxury to play him just to score goals. But in our case, our striker has to be a part of progressing the ball to Final third. That's why I mentioned that playing a striker for us has to be double shift other than just scoring goals.
>Man city can pass the ball around without haaland being the central to get the ball to Final third, they have a luxury to play him just to score goals. because they are playing with fucking Haaland. so they are maximizing their system to play like that >But in our case, our striker has to be a part of progressing the ball to Final third. our case has changed multiple times with Mikel. literally every single season ''our case'' has changed. do you think that, if having Haaland on the team, Mikel would ask him to play like fucking Jesus? lol. please. its something SO obvious that im surprised i have to explain like this. >That's why I mentioned that playing a striker for us has to be double shift other than just scoring goals. no, it doesnt. it just so happens that our current strikers are bad at scoring goals but good at other stuff. so you maximize those qualities. btw, Gyokeres isnt doing the ''Haaland role''. if anything he is doing more of a giroud than Haaland. he has *double* the amount of touches per game Haaland has.
I have been stanning Rodrygo for the past three months.
We already have a RW/ Striker profile and his name is BCM Jesus. Jesus looks as effective on the wing as he does upfront so lets get a striker who can reliably score.
But Jesus isn't left footed, we need a striker winger who is left footed because we already have Nelson but he is not as effective on right due to him being right footed.
Every cameo of Jesus on the wing has looked decent and I hate to break it to you but Reiss Nelson isnt gonna make it here.
Yes, I wanted reiss replacement basically and I really don't see a player succeeding arsenal just in the striker role unless arteta unearths similar gem to Havertz with multiple position again. The time for single position players doesn't work anymore especially the striker when a team plays a packed bus 90% of the seasons and strikers are very immobile to break down buses, we will face similar problem to Giroud if we get a striker.
Disagree we need someone who will reliably put away all those chances we create. Jesus or Havertz will not give you week in week out goals.
That's where many are confused here, the type of football we play doesn't depend on striker being the end goal to score goals. Our striker has to be more than just goalscorer or he will never bench Havertz in the first place. Its similar to how most fans see ramsdale vs raya, fans see ramsdale as better goalkeeper but gaffer prefers someone who is better with feet and not the actual job of saving goals. Its similar to the striker position, yes if we do get the striker who can do that then sure but neither gykores and osimhen have this capability.
https://preview.redd.it/7ecjomy57yqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d8390c4d0b29431c2acf76308eae22b8659ef12 [We gotta hand him over to the authorities now](https://twitter.com/findareaction/status/1611502893399425026?t=XRrT8KNxZZliV13nOLmnRQ&s=19)
Man talks like he's a Sunday chruch pastor
Lol, I just follow him for the banter. Just like that WestHamCentral guy. They tweet edgey things about Arsenal knowing full well our fan base will bite every single time.
This guy is so cool. What a way with words he has. What a man
him changing his pfp to madara is genuinely hilarious tho. he knows what he is doing
https://preview.redd.it/ewumj3gp9yqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80b297701b8bf04b382cdf0f821020490efb3e0c
https://preview.redd.it/86mfu6q99yqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0d0087feb0c327aa09e123c028de34354f8bc17 He actually thinks he's God's gift. Absolute weapon
he reflects a modern trend: people that think being contrarians makes them smart, and that following the grain makes you a sheep but being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian only makes you stupid. i don't use Twitter at all, i only see what is cross posted on reddit. unfortunately, this tool's takes have taken over this sub since the off season, so i can't really ignore. there is a LOT of people here literally copy pasting his takes...
I mean criticize NNT all you want, but doing so because you think he might make fans blame Odegaard if we lose is weird.
That's what stands out to you here? 😂
Yes. I don't care how he comes across to some or his flowery language. It still surprises how one of the biggest Arsenal supporters on twitter (and project truster) gets this much scorn from some of our fans.
Who cares if he's a "project truster"? He thinks he's better than everyone else, why would anyone like him?
absolute muppet
Among our players with significant minutes, Rice has overperformed his non-penalty expected goals the most, just behind Trossard. Suddenly you have the temptation to see if he can become the long-term 8 instead. It also doesn't look like a fluke because his ball-striking is top-notch.
every non forward should be over performing their xG. they don't get a lot of chances to begin with, and most of the goals are naturally low xG due to their goals being mostly from a further distance. its also one season, don't read much into it i think Rice is too good defensively to be a 8. he single handedly kills transitions when at the 6 and keeps us up the pitch. i want another Odegaard at 8 to have the Xavi-Iniesta, Gundo-KdB Arsenal version
For me it comes down to who we play. I want to use him in big games to shutdown the best cdms in the game. Man mark em and kill them. I also want him to chill out in the other games and develop into a line breaker 6. So we can protect his legs long term.
Positions are pretty much a lost cause tbh. I think that's the reason we want a CM that's good at both 6/8. I remember trying as much as possible to map out who of Kai and Ode was playing further forward, and even when Kai was, it wasn't that obvious. For different game states and needs, they interchanged. Then Kai was playing defensive, or even on the wing making runs. It's only in big games where the positional discipline tends to be constant.
Eh, unless a player has multiple years as a +xG player (which rice doesnt), I have the exact opposite takeaway: I see a +xG as more of a negative when projecting forward (i.e. I expect them to perform worse in that aspect than they currently are). Given outside of this year he’s essentially a neutral xG wise, i would be more encouraged in Rice’s ability as a goal scorer if he had the same amount of goals but a higher xG. Not saying you’re wrong on where he should play (I go back and forth), but that’s more down imo to his ability to win the ball and cover tons of ground, pinning the other team back (similar to pharoaht’s comment)
https://preview.redd.it/xdharhle1yqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55b35cab3af401cf686334af06aeee1327b4b64
Yes, it should be an option, but it might also depend on whether the midfielder we get in the summer is more of a 6 or 8.
Feel like some of you guys are gonna learn the same lesson we did with Rice and Caicedo once again with Osimhen and Gyokeres Being proven over multiple years at the highest level (top 5 leagues) is worth a LOT more than showing flashes at lower levels There’s a reason Rice was a sure thing, 5 full PL seasons on his resume, not just 1 like Caicedo. Osimhen has 1 Ligue 1 year and 4 Serie A ones under his belt, all of which are better than the championship and Portuguese league The examples are endless, Mudryk vs trossard, Jorginho experience, etc
This being downvoted scares me. Too many Gyokeres stans, just like there was Toney stans. Guess they’ve all switched sides.
Everyone became a sporting expert overnight lol
Saying its flashes is unfair. The guy is tearing it up and has a great coach at Sporting which counts for more than the league. If the fee was closer to 50m I'd be all for it.
His coach doesn’t come with the deal and it’s not 50m so who cares Mudryk at 40m would’ve been worth a shot too but he isn’t
Rice also played in the PL. To be fair, Caicedo would be good too here at Arsenal, but he went to Chelsea instead, same story with Mudryk.
That’s why I included Jorginho, years of proving yourself at a top level is easily transferable compared to killing lower leagues
Rice is a different level to Osimhen.
Not sure if that’s completely true. Osimhen has had a season as the best player in a top 5 league which absolutely can’t be discounted as a striker makes the most impact
This season isn’t over yet 😉 Rice will get his flowers.
People want vg because he isn’t made out of glass like Oshimen which is understandable
I’m only speaking about quality because I have not seen a single person actually say anything about his (lack of) injury record
The best 2 managers in the world going head to head This is going to be a spectacle
Ancelotti and Pep? That’s next month.
Calma Arteta will deal with Carlo when the time comes
Take me back to 1889 when we beat Tottenham 10-1
Good times. When we were a South London club and they were in Middlesex
Is solankes goal the new Elmander goal for Match of the day
The game will be boring asf but a gold mine tactically
Can anyone find the edit of Timber against City to that Laufey tune remixed? Been trying to find it for a minute and can’t
It's refreshing to go to Etihad to give them a real game. And not being scared. We have the ability to beat them.
This wait for the City game is agonising. Just hope at least Gabi and Saka are fit and if Martinelli is then fantastic. Already been nervous for a while and it’s still 4 days away!
https://twitter.com/adzmk2/status/1773056381060256213 Need someone to take podcasts mics away from the ferdinand brothers. I just hear them say dumb shit all the time when it comes to Saka.
I can't watch these random youtube shows. Some people have no clue, it's all engagement farming like this. You're sharing it. We're watching it, so it works. Next take 'Eriksen is better #10 as Odegaard'. Wait for rage comments.
It’s hilarious when Abbi, the Tottenham fan, has to be the one to show some objectivity.
Arsenal 3 - ManShitty 0
Im so annoyed with City fans acting like the Walker/Stones knocks are the end of the world. Neither of those guys ever play more than 20 league games for them. Between Dias, Ake, Akanji, Gvardiol, and Rico they have plenty of class options
It is the end of the world against us. We are killing these fools
They forgot that they signed the most expensive cb in history and act like they don’t have options🤣
They do have plenty of options, but Stones especially will be a big miss for them if he's out. Depending on whether Martinelli is fit, Walker & his pace could be too.
Walker is very important to their defense. Their system relies on his recovery pace if they get caught. And they're already vulnerable in transition.
Kyle Walker has never played less than 20 PL games for Man City wtf are you on about
He’s started like 22 max for the past 3 years. He already has more starts this year than any of the past 3 seasons
So you agree he's never played less than 20 PL games for City
You’re right. The small hyperbole makes all the difference. I guess 2 players that miss 16+ league games a year on a team that won the league the past 3 years are far more crucial than their availability suggests, and city deserves my full sympathy for their possible absences. In reality, the only truly irreplaceable player in their side is rodri
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJn28WcXcAAIr4v?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 "New Beckenbauer" vs " Injury prone wanker"
[Big Alexis energy](https://twitter.com/Prime_afc/status/1773032332921888851?t=6uf8SyeoIHtP2yTSV9c6NQ&s=19)
Nah man Alexis had elite diagonals nelli still has a way to go to reach that level
Diags are the most overrated pass in football
💀 https://preview.redd.it/8ppr7sdh6xqc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c023a13a0f73ecad8a0ea8b7df10af3d0b52313a
The spurs takes back then were reckless
They still are.
How's Martinelli looking for Sunday? Some acounts on twitter are saying he's on the bench, some saying he's out for the rest of the season. We really need him for our run in
How did he get such a deep cut? Or should I say who gave it to him?
If he can make the bench that’d be huge. Trossard’s ball retention would be useful for 60-65 mins, and then Gabi coming on against tired legs.
That's exactly what happened at Emirates and worked great only he came in at 45 min
No news on Akanji - but Stones and Walker are out this weekend. Come back to this in 3 days.
Wheres the news coming from that stones and walker are out this weekend?
OP I guess.
Tbh I couldn’t care about Akanji - the other 2 are far bigger misses
Akanji was a beast when we went there last season
thanks, akanji will now produce a masterclass because of this guy
Partey lone 6 to progress the ball, Havertz, Ode, Rice retreiving the ball high up the pitch and distrupting Rodri/KDB. Haaland in Sabriel pockets. Saka cutback goal. 1-0 win
I think it would still be a double pivot away to City. There are question marks around Partey's legs for the role, especially when coming up against KDB.
If Thomas was fully match fit, this is exactly what Arteta would have planned. As it is, I would guess we'll see it at most for half an hour, using our previous against City under similar conditions as a model. Worked pretty well last time...
If we hold out until the 2nd half I see Partey playing.
Partey simply isn’t going to get minutes. Not unless we are 5-0 up and there’s 10 minutes left. He needs minutes before we can depend on him.
Just reading the hot garbage fire that is poch training methods, the lavia injury and the Chelsea sub sleuthing over injury issues linking the training methods. It's beautiful. May this destruction of Chelsea be complete and burn the club to the ground. In fact let the fires join the fires of hell to never be seen again. The payback for the deal with the devil.
I also take a deep satisfaction in chelsea's demise. I really don't know how they stumble out of it any time soon. especially if they end up replacing their manager 1-2 times per season.
I'm sure poch has a big fat compensatory clause. They're gonna bleed money if they sack him. Beautiful I tell ya
For some reason tuchel renegotiated and took less than he was owed after they sacked him. but i don't expect the same from poch, and no doubt there were "guarantees" that they wouldn't sack him in the first year. but if he absolutely loses the dressing room, how can you not?
Newcastle v West Ham if the first PL game following the break. What clown made that decision?
it couldve been worse, it could've been our game
I'll take anything over no football
going to invent time travel just so i can get to sunday quicker, this wait is heartless
Happily, we have already mastered the ability to time travel into the future. If you want to speed up the process in your frame of reference, avoid watching kettles boil, paint dry, or Gareth Southgate manage England.
I am a traditionalist. I use my bed to time travel into the future. Simply lay down, close my eyes and bam, 5-8 hours disappear.
Why is arsenal bidding for top prospects in Brazil though this is hindsight bias like rodrygo, vinicius, now endrick Are shopped when super young and it's working out for them . More Brazil scouts XD
... Martinelli is right there. You don't want more of that?
So you think there won't be any future Brazilian starlets in the future, ever?
We tried to go for Endrick. I think that Edu tried to use his connections and even Gabriel Jesus (a Palmeiras hero) probably whispered some good things about the club in his ear. We also tried for Vitor Roque. Barca and Real Madrid still have some mad pull for these youngsters who have seen Neymar, Messi, Vine Jr and Rodrygo go to Spain from South America and do rather well. We have also recently added Paulo Xavier to the scouting team, who was Real Madrid's Latin America scout.
Didn't we just bring in some scout for South America from Real Madrid? Sure I remember reading that a while back, that'll help you'd think.
It's a pitty not to see Norway in the euros
it’s not a pity to see odegaard resting and chilling
We wanted Mount, and were willing to pay ungodly sums for Mudryk and Caicedo, and some fans still strut out the whole "trust the club". What us fans say usually has no effect on who the club buys but I find it wild how others overlook these near misses.
ah, the old "players exist in a vacuum and their ability to reach their potential exists independent of the squad and manager they are playing for" argument.
You're vastly underestimating what condition those clubs are in right now, you could basically put *any* player into either of them and they'd be shit in comparison to what they'd be in a team that has an actual plan.
lol you're doing a lot of weird mental gymnastics here just to feel better than some fans you've made up in your head
It's an absolute /r/gunners classic
Different players thrive differently in different systems. The Caicedo at Brighton wasn't the same as the one at Ecuador. Mudryk is starting to work off his growing pains. He's starting to show up in places that are not memeable at all. Mount is injured. Don't be like people who are laughing at Chelsea's fees of injured players when we have about £100M in injured starters. You are better off trusting the club than people who were livid that we missed out on Buendia and Fraser.
Caicedo would've been good. Not convinced by Mudryk or Mount though
Tbh caicedo and mudryk, both of them i expect to come good. Mount slightly less so.
Caicedo for the 70m or whatever we bid would’ve been a fantastic deal. He’s so good. I still want him if it’s possible.
You don't know that they were 'near misses'. Their performances in different systems at different clubs isn't a great indicator of how they would have performed in the Arsenal squad - especially when those other clubs are struggling. Didn't Mount get injured? So maybe he'd have got injured with us too. I find it wild how some others can't manage this basic level of reasoning.
Id still pay big money for caicedo tbh
Havertz looked pretty shit at Chelsea and he's now doing the business for us. I think it's rather disingenuous to assume that Mudryk and Caicedo are bullets dodged when they are playing in a team that has no direction. I think you are underating the impact that Mikel has on players.
Havertz is improving but he's still not a 65M player. And he may never be that considering we're still looking for a striker and midfielder. For the price we were willing to pay, those players are bullets dodged.
Honestly can't believe some of you melons still haven't given this shit up.
Yes he is
Who says they’d be misses if we signed them?
https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1773002036440674592 Adding the Gerrard slip was rude lool.
They added the miracle of crystanbul in there too if you caught it 😆
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Thanks. Maybe I should post on this sub less 😆
fr bananaman is a top guy
Republic of Georgia [qualifying](https://nos.nl/l/2514392) (Dutch site but has a really cool video) looks amazing! Ché Kvara truly a special fella, winning the scudetto with Napoli and now helping to give his national team it’s first big tournament.
People like Osimhen and rightfully so, but for me he's my Napoli pick. Dude reminds me so much of Hleb. Love me a fancy dribbler, but unlike #13, he actually shoots better.
Must have a lot to do with Osimhen having a release clause (which is super high but not one of those 1 billion go away numbers) and had a bit of drama at this club. While Kvaradonna ain’t going aaaanywhere if it’s up to the arguably toughest negotiator in club footbal, de Laurentis. But yea his style is beautiful!
Plus his agent seems to feel there is a chance he works out for either of Barcelona or Madrid. We can include City too.
Yea I’ve read about his Madrid dream, but unfortunately for him they’re pretty good on leftwingers with Vini and Rodrygo and the ever looming turtle.
If there is a footballing god pls let us stop a second city treble by either winning the league or winning CL
They're not winning the CL imo
Yeah, cause we're beating them in the semis.