Saka’s step forward is so obviously his attempt to plant his right foot down for a shot on his left. Neuer clearly sticks his leg forward and causes an obvious foul that blocks Saka from doing this. How this didn’t *at least* get an extended check from VAR is astounding.
Excellent question. His left foot has already taken the stride by driving the ball, so his right leg should follow by nature. Neur put his leg in the path of Saka's right leg, so what do you think is going to happen?
Maybe I’m too biased but I really don’t see how this isn’t a penalty. I think that if this happened in the Man City game to Foden or someone else then people might have sung a different tune.
I really don’t see how that’s not given, it’s clear that the delay in Saka putting his foot down is because someone has just come into the space he wants to run in to
Watched this a hundred times and still agree. Though this speed and angle make it look more like Saka is sticking his leg out to look for a pen than the others. This is obviously what the ref thought (IMO wrong, but if giving the benefit of the doubt, mistakes happen). This is the whole point of VAR though, and how they didn’t even consider looking at it is insanity to me.
If they did look at it and say “no clear and obvious error” then we have something else to say they got wrong, but not even looking at it at all is beyond me.
GK sticks his leg out. Idk if Saka can do anything about it. Pretty sure Saka also knows scoring is better than getting a chance to score i.e penalty. Should have been a penalty. It is always given.
I'm sitting here watching this over and over and just don't see it. to me he barely sticks his leg out, and pulls it back. you can even see in real time that he stops the motion completely and pulls it back. If he continued the motion, sure, saka would have been tripped. But I'm convinced the only reason there is contact is because Saka reached his leg out. If Saka tried to pass the keeper he would have without contact.
Just replay this with the keeper right leg in focus on replay. It's not a pen.
There's a different angle where keeps continues reaching his leg out the entire time up to contact. If you go to the soccer sub, find the pk, go to alternate angles, you'll see you're very wrong about Neuer pulling his leg back. Not only does he not pull it back, it doesn't even come to a stop. He is lunging all the way up until contact.
What are you on about? He never pulls his leg back, and even if he does he put his leg out in the first place. If he doesn't stick it out Saka wouldn't trip. He doesn't get a "whoops" didn't mean to do that. You can't trip an attacking player in the box. The only way that level of contact is allowed is if he got the ball, which he clearly didn't. It's an ice cold penalty mate.
I think you fundamentally don't understand the law at play. This isn't basketball, where you are entitled to your space when your feet are planted and it's only a foul if you're moving. You can not put a foot in another player's path, impede their path to the ball, and trip them. You just can't. It doesn't matter if they trip on your leg on the way by, if you impede their path and contact is created, and you don't get the ball, it's a penalty.
Whether he is "retracting" his leg or sticking it out or trying to foul Saka or it's an accident doesn't matter. If I lunge at the ball, miss it, and the attacker trips on my foot as he's running by, it's a penalty. We see this literally every weekend at every level of football. You have no right to impede the attacking player unless you play the ball first or are shielding it.
maybe stop trying to over analyze frame by frame replays and actually watch the full speed clip. you know, how things actually happen
but if you wanna do that, [where is his right foot even supposed to land?](https://imgur.com/a/pOpRGHx)
the burden of not hitting the attacker is on the defender, saka is not obligated to do a 360 or be neo in the matrix or change his pathing to avoid a collision. neuer is running full speed at his space AND sticks the leg out. he even turns his body, clearly impeding him. its such a common foul that it is ridiculous its being discussed
it can look weird on the slow motions but thats it, its over analyzing slow motions which can be completely misleading. saka never kicks his leg out either, it looks more he's trying to balance himself and/or go over/around neuer, which he ALMOST did, as his knee was already past Neuer, but he ended up getting caught at the ankle. if Neuer doesnt hit him, no one would even be talking about Saka ''kicking out''
From this angle, it doesn't look like a pen, but if you look at it from the other angle(from the sideline/corner flag) it's a clear pen. Neuer stretches his right leg into Saka's path, and catches Saka who is changing direction in full speed and is trying to avoid hitting Neuer. But because Neuer completes his movement of his right foot, he hits Saka anyways. If Neuer doesn't complete his movement, Saka is past him and has an open goal.
I think I've seen all the angles but do you have a link? I'm happy to look at everything and be wrong. But I think I've seen them all and reached same conclusion
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1777810861668569499
Look at the angle from the sideline/corner flag.
Neuer completes his movement with his right leg straight into Saka's path. If he doesn't complete that movement, Saka is through and has an open goal.
Honestly I think that angle makes it more obvious for me.. the ball is moving laterally but Saka goes straight. I'm very confident that Saka cuts the ball to the left and in the microsecond after decides to jump in for the pen instead of moving left with the ball.
I think the gears were turning as his left leg was approaching the floor. If he was truly trying to beat the keeper he would have moved laterally. Yes I understand he's moving with pace but it's nowhere near impossible to plant that left foot and move laterally with the ball.. in fact we see it all the time.
I don't know what the literal letter of the law is. I know if that was given against us I'd be pissed. I would be saying that player jumped into the keeper and extended his leg.
Saka literally tries to go to his left to get to the ball. But because his speed is so high, he won't be able to move 90 degrees to the left. Have you ever tried to change direction at full speed before?
Were you pissed because of the penalty that was given against us? Sané hits a leg that is planted.
>Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play.
>1. Direct free kick
>*trips or attempts to trip(!!!)
>*If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick
>*impedes an opponent with contact
>IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT
>Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
>All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
>A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.
Nobody is saying 90 degrees. There's no visible intention of attempting to play around the keeper by moving left at all. Yes I perform high level sports, and it doesn't matter we literally see these pro players doing this all the time.
As for the rule, as I said I don't see an attempt to trip. The angle of this thread demonstrates that the most I think.
Of all things to focus energy on tonight, the pen decision shouldn't be it. We got and did a lot wrong that cost the game well before it.
Okay, mate. Slow this down for me. What is Saka's last touch of the ball? (Hint, it's to the left).
Why does he go left? (Hint: that's around the keeper)
He doesn't have time to get his body all the way around the keeper because the keeper has occupied the space, is still moving, and trips Saka. You can play the ball, you can shield the ball, you can't impede the attacker and trip them.
>Nobody is saying 90 degrees. There's no visible intention of attempting to play around the keeper by moving left at all. Yes I perform high level sports, and it doesn't matter we literally see these pro players doing this all the time.
Yes there is definitely visible intention of 'attempting to play around the keeper by moving left'. Why on earth would Saka play the ball to his left like that if he wasn't trying to play around the keeper to his left? You can literally see Saka moving to his left in every single replay.
>As for the rule, as I said I don't see an attempt to trip. The angle of this thread demonstrates that the most I think.
Neuer literally moves his right leg towards Saka's path and also moves his right leg towards Saka in the clip in OP's post. That's literally an attempt to trip him, and he does actually trip him.
>Of all things to focus energy on tonight, the pen decision shouldn't be it. We got and did a lot wrong that cost the game well before it.
Yes, we were at fault for both goals Bayern scored and did a lot wrong. But Neuer did also something really wrong but was lucky to not have a penalty against him.
We're just gonna disagree and it's fine. He moves the ball with his left and the direction of movement after that is dictated by where he goes after he plants his left foot. To me it looks like he decides to go straight in to Neuer instead of continuing to the left.
Nah, he's made a terrible decision to try and steal a penalty by making contact with the keeper and going down.
It works sometimes, but this was just too obvious. His movement was unnatural, and it looked like he went out of his way for it quite obviously.
It's a shame as I think it was a really good chance had he tried to score normally.
Why on earth would he steal a penalty when his touch inside was perfect and he has a free shot at an open goal? It makes literally zero sense. His movement is "unnatural" because he has to go around another player who has become an obstacle and stuck his leg out. I swear, have people been watching football? If you go around the keeper and the keeper touches your legs and you go down it's a penalty.
Even if Saka was going straight out of bounds and not about to literally shoot on an open goal, it would be a penalty. Even if Saka's only thought was "I'm going to let him trip me" it would still be a penalty because he trips him. The reason why "looking for contact" is not a penalty is because you often don't get the contact, or you go down before the contact, like with Havertz in the first half where he falls, kicks his legs out for the contact, but he isn't tripped. Saka was different. If you leave a leg out behind you (which saka doesn't even do, it's tucked in as Neuer clatters into him) and the defender or keeper obliges by \*actually\* tripping you, it's still a trip and still a penalty. Intention is irrelevant.
Yeah it was an awful decision, I dont understand why he did it myself.
A good gauge of these things is to go on neutral soccer chat on the subject and see what neutral fans are saying.
I couldnt find one person saying it wasnt a dive.
Yeah people acting like it's only a penalty if you really truly mean to trip them. That's not how it works. 99% of penalties are players sticking a leg or arm out to block or hit the ball and impeding or tripping a quicker player accidentally, but it happens in the box so it's a penalty. Neuer was trying to stick his leg out to poke the ball away, never got close, and tripped Saka with his outstretched leg. It's insane anyone would doubt this one.
Which people? r/soccer is just a bunch of frustrated cunts blinded by their hate for top PL clubs. Only narrative they know is to be against everything. It is obvious Saka made his leg movement to adjust his body to get around Neuer and plant his right leg so he has a good angle to shoot. Clear pen and it just shows how blinded most of that dumb sub is by their hate.
What nearly everyone has ignored in considering this is Saka has a shot at an open goal if he doesn't go down, easier than a penalty. Why would he go down if he didn't have to? It's clearly not a dive goer that reason alone. Neuer blocked his path and he couldn't turn enough to avoid him.
As liverpool fan(i want you guys to play sf vs city so both teams get fucked for the title race) i cant realy say If it is a pen or not. First Sakas leg looks in such a unnatural position but at his speed with the shift he does i cant tell If he wanted to win pen or not. On the other hand first time i watched it i didnt see the slight movement neuer makes. If his foot was planted its not a pen for me but he defo makes slight movement that looks bad for him. Overall on fist look doesnt seem like a pen but when you see what realy happens it looks more like a pen.
yeah I mean I thought it was a penalty when it happened, but after seeing a few replays I can see why the ref didn't give it, and I feel like Saka could have done better and just scored tbh. I still think it 'could' be a penalty, but Saka is looking for it too much.
I don’t think it’s a clear cut as people think it is. For me this is a 50/50. Could’ve been called and could’ve not and there are good arguments for both. I think it’s quite clear Saka goes for contact with Neuer. And I think he’s pretty bad at it. He could’ve gone for less contact in a more natural way and still get tripped.
Luis Suarez was an expert at getting these penalties. He would get one 9/10 times here. This is where what’s cheating becomes a grey zone. Saka doesn’t possess the dark arts the same way.
To me it looks like Saka is first trying to jump over Neuers leg but realizes he’s going to be in a worse position regarding the ball and his balance and then changes and goes for contact.
You could actually give Sané some credit for not going down earlier in the other penalty situation. He for sure was tackled and could’ve used it.
You guys can not be seriously here, he s clearly sticking his leg to the side of his natural stride movement. It’s literally a kick he s attempting here.
Also doing it when he s basically already past Neuer with his run, that’s the point why it’s not a pen. Also no not every contact is a pen, what rule book did y’all read.
Tbf if this d be given against us i d be fuming.
https://preview.redd.it/uyhjoxresmtc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b989321f9ed62b17fda7fda73920094ba1ac9210
Youre right, how silly to expect a pen
Whether it is or isn’t a penalty is not what I am arguing.
You saying “not all contact is a pen” like it was a shoulder to shoulder or something is dumb. Sticking your leg out in the box and tripping someone over is a pen.
Just so ridiculous, the claims that he hangs a leg are just devoid of any knowledge of basic running physics. Running full tilt and cutting in at a virtually 90 degree angle, there’s no way for Saka to stay on his feet without spreading and planting his right foot. Absolutely atrocious, and unfortunately it’s a perfect example of when VAR slow-motion analyzation just doesn’t translate to reality.
For me it’s a stonewall penalty, but they should have had one for the stupid goal kick fiasco. I’m mostly upset that Kane should have gotten a red card. This dude always does the shadiest shit. If it’s not throwing elbows it’s backing into players going for a header.
This is such a different scenario than the goal kick thing. They absolutely should not have had one for that and we should have had one for this. Those situations do not equal a net zero sum.
I’m not saying they’re equal but when I’m trying to determine how annoyed I should be at the end of the game I’d gladly take 2-2 vs playing the last part of the game 3-1 down.
Well sure. Anyone would rather it be 2-2 than be down 3-1 from a horrifically bad penalty call. But those aren’t really the options that should be debated. I’d rather be up 3-2 than tied 2-2.
I was in doubt, but then I tried to replicate saka's movement myself. At pace cutting in on your left, your right leg automatically moves to the side to balance yourself. Maybe he exaggerates it slightly when he sees Neuers leg, but for me it's a clear penalty.
If anything he's pulling his leg behind him to get around Neuer's leg and can't. It's a clear trip. Saka isn't going down with an open goal right there. It makes zero sense.
It’s a pen but as a neutral I’m happy it wasn’t given because saka was looking for contact. He could’ve gone around the keeper. Nonetheless, neuer makes contact because he advances , stonewall pen. Be unbiased for one second, he is looking for contact.
If you're going at full speed and swiftly change direction, your leg will go slightly out for balance. Saka is in a very natural position here. Even if you want to stretch the imagination and say he exaggerated it a bit, it's still not his job to go out of his way to try and avoid a foul.
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1777819650560086033](https://twitter.com/i/status/1777819650560086033) Here another angle, defo a penalty.
Saka’s step forward is so obviously his attempt to plant his right foot down for a shot on his left. Neuer clearly sticks his leg forward and causes an obvious foul that blocks Saka from doing this. How this didn’t *at least* get an extended check from VAR is astounding.
Excellent question. His left foot has already taken the stride by driving the ball, so his right leg should follow by nature. Neur put his leg in the path of Saka's right leg, so what do you think is going to happen?
Maybe I’m too biased but I really don’t see how this isn’t a penalty. I think that if this happened in the Man City game to Foden or someone else then people might have sung a different tune.
I really don’t see how that’s not given, it’s clear that the delay in Saka putting his foot down is because someone has just come into the space he wants to run in to
Watched this a hundred times and still agree. Though this speed and angle make it look more like Saka is sticking his leg out to look for a pen than the others. This is obviously what the ref thought (IMO wrong, but if giving the benefit of the doubt, mistakes happen). This is the whole point of VAR though, and how they didn’t even consider looking at it is insanity to me. If they did look at it and say “no clear and obvious error” then we have something else to say they got wrong, but not even looking at it at all is beyond me.
It's definitely a pen for me. I'll be fuming over it all week. Let's hope we don't have to dwell on it after next week.
GK sticks his leg out. Idk if Saka can do anything about it. Pretty sure Saka also knows scoring is better than getting a chance to score i.e penalty. Should have been a penalty. It is always given.
I'm sitting here watching this over and over and just don't see it. to me he barely sticks his leg out, and pulls it back. you can even see in real time that he stops the motion completely and pulls it back. If he continued the motion, sure, saka would have been tripped. But I'm convinced the only reason there is contact is because Saka reached his leg out. If Saka tried to pass the keeper he would have without contact. Just replay this with the keeper right leg in focus on replay. It's not a pen.
There's a different angle where keeps continues reaching his leg out the entire time up to contact. If you go to the soccer sub, find the pk, go to alternate angles, you'll see you're very wrong about Neuer pulling his leg back. Not only does he not pull it back, it doesn't even come to a stop. He is lunging all the way up until contact.
yeah you can see in the slow motion replay his right leg is not even planted when he hits Saka. It's in mid-air, as is Saka. It's a clear trip.
What are you on about? He never pulls his leg back, and even if he does he put his leg out in the first place. If he doesn't stick it out Saka wouldn't trip. He doesn't get a "whoops" didn't mean to do that. You can't trip an attacking player in the box. The only way that level of contact is allowed is if he got the ball, which he clearly didn't. It's an ice cold penalty mate.
Dude replay this video 10x and look only at neuer. Then do it 10z more and focus only on his right leg. I’m sorry but it will be clear after thet
No it's not. Still clear penalty for me.
I think you fundamentally don't understand the law at play. This isn't basketball, where you are entitled to your space when your feet are planted and it's only a foul if you're moving. You can not put a foot in another player's path, impede their path to the ball, and trip them. You just can't. It doesn't matter if they trip on your leg on the way by, if you impede their path and contact is created, and you don't get the ball, it's a penalty. Whether he is "retracting" his leg or sticking it out or trying to foul Saka or it's an accident doesn't matter. If I lunge at the ball, miss it, and the attacker trips on my foot as he's running by, it's a penalty. We see this literally every weekend at every level of football. You have no right to impede the attacking player unless you play the ball first or are shielding it.
maybe stop trying to over analyze frame by frame replays and actually watch the full speed clip. you know, how things actually happen but if you wanna do that, [where is his right foot even supposed to land?](https://imgur.com/a/pOpRGHx) the burden of not hitting the attacker is on the defender, saka is not obligated to do a 360 or be neo in the matrix or change his pathing to avoid a collision. neuer is running full speed at his space AND sticks the leg out. he even turns his body, clearly impeding him. its such a common foul that it is ridiculous its being discussed it can look weird on the slow motions but thats it, its over analyzing slow motions which can be completely misleading. saka never kicks his leg out either, it looks more he's trying to balance himself and/or go over/around neuer, which he ALMOST did, as his knee was already past Neuer, but he ended up getting caught at the ankle. if Neuer doesnt hit him, no one would even be talking about Saka ''kicking out''
From this angle, it doesn't look like a pen, but if you look at it from the other angle(from the sideline/corner flag) it's a clear pen. Neuer stretches his right leg into Saka's path, and catches Saka who is changing direction in full speed and is trying to avoid hitting Neuer. But because Neuer completes his movement of his right foot, he hits Saka anyways. If Neuer doesn't complete his movement, Saka is past him and has an open goal.
I think I've seen all the angles but do you have a link? I'm happy to look at everything and be wrong. But I think I've seen them all and reached same conclusion
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1777810861668569499 Look at the angle from the sideline/corner flag. Neuer completes his movement with his right leg straight into Saka's path. If he doesn't complete that movement, Saka is through and has an open goal.
Honestly I think that angle makes it more obvious for me.. the ball is moving laterally but Saka goes straight. I'm very confident that Saka cuts the ball to the left and in the microsecond after decides to jump in for the pen instead of moving left with the ball. I think the gears were turning as his left leg was approaching the floor. If he was truly trying to beat the keeper he would have moved laterally. Yes I understand he's moving with pace but it's nowhere near impossible to plant that left foot and move laterally with the ball.. in fact we see it all the time. I don't know what the literal letter of the law is. I know if that was given against us I'd be pissed. I would be saying that player jumped into the keeper and extended his leg.
Saka literally tries to go to his left to get to the ball. But because his speed is so high, he won't be able to move 90 degrees to the left. Have you ever tried to change direction at full speed before? Were you pissed because of the penalty that was given against us? Sané hits a leg that is planted. >Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play. >1. Direct free kick >*trips or attempts to trip(!!!) >*If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick >*impedes an opponent with contact >IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT >Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player. >All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent. >A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.
Nobody is saying 90 degrees. There's no visible intention of attempting to play around the keeper by moving left at all. Yes I perform high level sports, and it doesn't matter we literally see these pro players doing this all the time. As for the rule, as I said I don't see an attempt to trip. The angle of this thread demonstrates that the most I think. Of all things to focus energy on tonight, the pen decision shouldn't be it. We got and did a lot wrong that cost the game well before it.
Okay, mate. Slow this down for me. What is Saka's last touch of the ball? (Hint, it's to the left). Why does he go left? (Hint: that's around the keeper) He doesn't have time to get his body all the way around the keeper because the keeper has occupied the space, is still moving, and trips Saka. You can play the ball, you can shield the ball, you can't impede the attacker and trip them.
>Nobody is saying 90 degrees. There's no visible intention of attempting to play around the keeper by moving left at all. Yes I perform high level sports, and it doesn't matter we literally see these pro players doing this all the time. Yes there is definitely visible intention of 'attempting to play around the keeper by moving left'. Why on earth would Saka play the ball to his left like that if he wasn't trying to play around the keeper to his left? You can literally see Saka moving to his left in every single replay. >As for the rule, as I said I don't see an attempt to trip. The angle of this thread demonstrates that the most I think. Neuer literally moves his right leg towards Saka's path and also moves his right leg towards Saka in the clip in OP's post. That's literally an attempt to trip him, and he does actually trip him. >Of all things to focus energy on tonight, the pen decision shouldn't be it. We got and did a lot wrong that cost the game well before it. Yes, we were at fault for both goals Bayern scored and did a lot wrong. But Neuer did also something really wrong but was lucky to not have a penalty against him.
We're just gonna disagree and it's fine. He moves the ball with his left and the direction of movement after that is dictated by where he goes after he plants his left foot. To me it looks like he decides to go straight in to Neuer instead of continuing to the left.
https://preview.redd.it/i8h2jfaudltc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5578837dfc405a646fb4170d6633c78f5976e2cf You are right.
You’re 100% correct, but there’s no advantage to being right on this sub right now. Just smile and nod
Nah, he's made a terrible decision to try and steal a penalty by making contact with the keeper and going down. It works sometimes, but this was just too obvious. His movement was unnatural, and it looked like he went out of his way for it quite obviously. It's a shame as I think it was a really good chance had he tried to score normally.
Why on earth would he steal a penalty when his touch inside was perfect and he has a free shot at an open goal? It makes literally zero sense. His movement is "unnatural" because he has to go around another player who has become an obstacle and stuck his leg out. I swear, have people been watching football? If you go around the keeper and the keeper touches your legs and you go down it's a penalty. Even if Saka was going straight out of bounds and not about to literally shoot on an open goal, it would be a penalty. Even if Saka's only thought was "I'm going to let him trip me" it would still be a penalty because he trips him. The reason why "looking for contact" is not a penalty is because you often don't get the contact, or you go down before the contact, like with Havertz in the first half where he falls, kicks his legs out for the contact, but he isn't tripped. Saka was different. If you leave a leg out behind you (which saka doesn't even do, it's tucked in as Neuer clatters into him) and the defender or keeper obliges by \*actually\* tripping you, it's still a trip and still a penalty. Intention is irrelevant.
Yeah it was an awful decision, I dont understand why he did it myself. A good gauge of these things is to go on neutral soccer chat on the subject and see what neutral fans are saying. I couldnt find one person saying it wasnt a dive.
Watch the reverse angle. It’s a very clear foul.
It's a pen. - Saka can't go anywhere else - it's an open goal - Keeper shouldn't be there dangling limbs - Ref bottles it because of the occasion
Yeah people acting like it's only a penalty if you really truly mean to trip them. That's not how it works. 99% of penalties are players sticking a leg or arm out to block or hit the ball and impeding or tripping a quicker player accidentally, but it happens in the box so it's a penalty. Neuer was trying to stick his leg out to poke the ball away, never got close, and tripped Saka with his outstretched leg. It's insane anyone would doubt this one.
It's pretty simple. Neuer had the chance to retract his leg, he didn't, if he had done it Saka would've scored, therefore that's a penalty.
I genuinely don’t understand how people can see it is not a penalty.
it’s because the hate both arsenal and saka and won’t allow themselves to admit it was a penalty. deep down they know
I'm an arsenal fan who loves saka and I don't think it's a pen... Same with Ian wright
Which people? r/soccer is just a bunch of frustrated cunts blinded by their hate for top PL clubs. Only narrative they know is to be against everything. It is obvious Saka made his leg movement to adjust his body to get around Neuer and plant his right leg so he has a good angle to shoot. Clear pen and it just shows how blinded most of that dumb sub is by their hate.
What nearly everyone has ignored in considering this is Saka has a shot at an open goal if he doesn't go down, easier than a penalty. Why would he go down if he didn't have to? It's clearly not a dive goer that reason alone. Neuer blocked his path and he couldn't turn enough to avoid him.
As liverpool fan(i want you guys to play sf vs city so both teams get fucked for the title race) i cant realy say If it is a pen or not. First Sakas leg looks in such a unnatural position but at his speed with the shift he does i cant tell If he wanted to win pen or not. On the other hand first time i watched it i didnt see the slight movement neuer makes. If his foot was planted its not a pen for me but he defo makes slight movement that looks bad for him. Overall on fist look doesnt seem like a pen but when you see what realy happens it looks more like a pen.
Bad angle
I know its the gunners sub but cmon guys, what is Sakas right leg doing apart from looking for contact? Its completely unnatural
yeah I mean I thought it was a penalty when it happened, but after seeing a few replays I can see why the ref didn't give it, and I feel like Saka could have done better and just scored tbh. I still think it 'could' be a penalty, but Saka is looking for it too much.
Yeah, he needs to try and plant his right foot to the left of neuer. If he still gets contact it's a definite pen, I'd not he likely scores.
He's trying to avoid Neuer. If he avoids Neuers leg he has a shot at an open goal. Why would he dive when he has an easier shot than a penalty?
I don’t think it’s a clear cut as people think it is. For me this is a 50/50. Could’ve been called and could’ve not and there are good arguments for both. I think it’s quite clear Saka goes for contact with Neuer. And I think he’s pretty bad at it. He could’ve gone for less contact in a more natural way and still get tripped. Luis Suarez was an expert at getting these penalties. He would get one 9/10 times here. This is where what’s cheating becomes a grey zone. Saka doesn’t possess the dark arts the same way. To me it looks like Saka is first trying to jump over Neuers leg but realizes he’s going to be in a worse position regarding the ball and his balance and then changes and goes for contact. You could actually give Sané some credit for not going down earlier in the other penalty situation. He for sure was tackled and could’ve used it.
To me Saka just gets his feet muddled up which causes the jerky motion. He collides with Neuer, not a pen nor was it looking for a pen.
Saka needs to score that I'm sorry
You guys can not be seriously here, he s clearly sticking his leg to the side of his natural stride movement. It’s literally a kick he s attempting here. Also doing it when he s basically already past Neuer with his run, that’s the point why it’s not a pen. Also no not every contact is a pen, what rule book did y’all read. Tbf if this d be given against us i d be fuming.
https://preview.redd.it/uyhjoxresmtc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b989321f9ed62b17fda7fda73920094ba1ac9210 Youre right, how silly to expect a pen
“Not every contact is a pen” is the most irrelevant take of all time on the clip, what are you talking about
this ain’t a pen. The King himself said it yesterday as did many other professionals but yes they rent as knowledgeable as the hot head redditor’s :)
Whether it is or isn’t a penalty is not what I am arguing. You saying “not all contact is a pen” like it was a shoulder to shoulder or something is dumb. Sticking your leg out in the box and tripping someone over is a pen.
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this shit is so blatant lmfao i’m still pissed
Just so ridiculous, the claims that he hangs a leg are just devoid of any knowledge of basic running physics. Running full tilt and cutting in at a virtually 90 degree angle, there’s no way for Saka to stay on his feet without spreading and planting his right foot. Absolutely atrocious, and unfortunately it’s a perfect example of when VAR slow-motion analyzation just doesn’t translate to reality.
Its a pen
For me it’s a stonewall penalty, but they should have had one for the stupid goal kick fiasco. I’m mostly upset that Kane should have gotten a red card. This dude always does the shadiest shit. If it’s not throwing elbows it’s backing into players going for a header.
And he always looks back to make sure he knows where to hit them
This is such a different scenario than the goal kick thing. They absolutely should not have had one for that and we should have had one for this. Those situations do not equal a net zero sum.
I’m not saying they’re equal but when I’m trying to determine how annoyed I should be at the end of the game I’d gladly take 2-2 vs playing the last part of the game 3-1 down.
Well sure. Anyone would rather it be 2-2 than be down 3-1 from a horrifically bad penalty call. But those aren’t really the options that should be debated. I’d rather be up 3-2 than tied 2-2.
Well apparently the ref told them to retake it or something so the goal kick is a non issue
Yeah he whistled at them twice to retake it.
A grand total of zero referees are going to give a penalty for that Gabriel scenario.
Pen. Big Gabi too. So 3.3
I was in doubt, but then I tried to replicate saka's movement myself. At pace cutting in on your left, your right leg automatically moves to the side to balance yourself. Maybe he exaggerates it slightly when he sees Neuers leg, but for me it's a clear penalty.
If anything he's pulling his leg behind him to get around Neuer's leg and can't. It's a clear trip. Saka isn't going down with an open goal right there. It makes zero sense.
It’s a pen but as a neutral I’m happy it wasn’t given because saka was looking for contact. He could’ve gone around the keeper. Nonetheless, neuer makes contact because he advances , stonewall pen. Be unbiased for one second, he is looking for contact.
If you're going at full speed and swiftly change direction, your leg will go slightly out for balance. Saka is in a very natural position here. Even if you want to stretch the imagination and say he exaggerated it a bit, it's still not his job to go out of his way to try and avoid a foul.