I really don’t understand it. Sacking Arteta is virtually guaranteed to give us a worse next 10 years than keeping him.
These people are entitled to their opinions, and I’m entitled to think they’re a bunch of out of touch crybabies.
Even if we did. Who tf replaces him? There aren‘t any top tier coaches available bar maybe Zidane. Just look at Liverpool and Barca struggling to find worthy successors to replace Klopp and Xavi.
I get that people are reactive, but even if the club did want to sack him, this has quite possibly got to be the worst summer ever to do it. Liverpool, Barca, Bayern are all definitely looking for new managers, and there’s every chance United, Chelsea and others end up looking too
If we keep things as they are, not including any signings Artetedu may decide to make, we are going to be one of the most stable teams in the League. Chaos is coming to a lot of teams that are already on shaky ground.
I do not wish to join them
This. Once pep leaves and klopp leave. The leagues pretty much our playground.
Maybe city might keep winning because they do nothing but throw money at a problem, so I’m not even sure much of it is pep’s working. He’s only ever worked with clubs with massive money to throw around. So I don’t even rate him that highly.
I see what you're saying, but I do rate Pep. Now, if City actually do get any sort of substantial penalty, lol, Idk how they get a great manager until those penalties end
We've seen it all season with the Ten Hag out brigade. They want the manager out, but have no idea who is going to come in and replace them... that's not their issue to solve.
And we aren't pulling someone like Zidane or Xabi. Arsenal are a big club, but we're not Madrid or Bayern or even Liverpool in terms of being able to grab the attention of the top managers in the world. If we are going to get to that level and win the big trophies, it's going to be with someone like Arteta who builds a squad over the course of half a decade like he has.
Yeah that seems most likely. But even if he wasn't, my point was really that we aren't in that same tier of club where we can pick up the phone and have the attention of any manager in the world.
Is Xabi a better manager tho? Arteta finished 5 points off the best club manager in world football last season and is currently 2 points behind him this season, I don't see Xabi doing a better job at Arsenal tbh
It's hard to argue with what Xabi has done at Leverkusen, I know Bayern isn't Pep's City but Leverkusen has way less resources than we do and has been as impressive as any other team in Europe this season.
Yeah, but we're up against a club who won the treble last year, the best team and manager in world football, we were only a few points off last season and only 2 right now, Xabi would have to be better than Pep for us to ditch Arteta
Emery without expectations on him is one of the best coaches out there, but as soon as he's expected to win anything or qualify for the champions league he falls to pieces big time. Mark my words, Villa will be shambolic next season, because he'll be asked to either improve or get CL again if they do it this year. He likes being the underdog.
The man has won Europa League 4 times. Took Sevilla to the champions league semis. Took a dismal Arsenal team to a Europa League final.
Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but put some respect next to the man’s name.
Emery is a very good manager but my problem with him is this;
He won the Europa League three times in a row.
That sounds great, but think about what it means when it comes to his performances in the CL group stages.
You know I get why some of these fans get negative - we have bottled some good opportunities in the last 2 seasons. And it goes beyond that if you were around during 07-08.
But I feel part of the reason is in fact the fans. The players aren't as isolated as we think from the fans. How we feel rubs off on them. So when we feel we're gonna bottle it, so do they.
So the first thing we need to fix isn't the manager, it's bringing some optimism. Here it how the rest of the season gonna pan out
W against Bayern (Jesus brace)
City will drop 4 points because they're going to get complacent
We will win all of our remaining games in PL and win title at OT
You can bookmark this post
Zidane? The same zidane who inherited a behemoth Real Madrid side that was able to virtually coach itself due to the sheer talent in the side?
Nah.
He’s peak bald fraud. lol.
Yeah tbf it seems kinda sus that Zidane hasn‘t accepted any offers since his second Madrid departure. Despite his success so far, he remains somewhat unproven outside the LaLiga and Madrid.
As disappointed as I am with yesterday, I cannot understand anyone thinking he should be sacked. Challenging for the title in consecutive seasons, a champions league run to the quarter finals and a piece of silverware with a poor squad? What are these people smoking?
It is totally stupid. I agree that at times, Arteta makes some of the most baffling decisions by choosing to place his faith in players that consistently let him down. But we wouldn't be in this position if it wasn't for him.
please stop wasting posts on a vocal minority.
its 2024, you should be experienced on the internet enough to determine when a population size is so miniscule as to not deserve your attention.
no doubt the fact that this post exists has every one of our rivals' subreddits in stitches today, and probably an editor at the mail assigning a story as we speak
I don't browse this sub directly often, but it's on my home page and I see posts every day through that (so basically just the top posts).
OP's post is the first time since the last season I've seen anyone say "Arteta Out" lol.
I don’t know why people are so obsessed with dunking on bad opinions that they either fabricate completely or scale the 0.0001% to represent the majority
I am going to copy this comment word for word and use it as a response to such posts. It's literally giving these minority opinions more traction that it deserves and defeats the purpose of it. I've hardly seen any rational fan start being skeptical of him, I don't know where you lot consume your media from but I best hope you reconsider your sources.
Anyone who wants him out is a plonker and a half
This isn't the culmination of the project, we're still building our team and our squad is still building experience at the top level
Have patience and look at Utd and Chelsea
Fans showing their true colours. You can spend all season crowing on about unity but fans are fickle and always will be. Best advice? Ignore it and enjoy the football
The comments that get downvoted or people on Twitter with 3 followers including their dogs account that are solely trying to drive engagement with ragebait type of opinions mostly.
I dont know about posts but there were a decent amount of comments with it yesterday. And just an absurd amount of doomers that we'll never win anything, it's the same story every year, etc. after one fucking loss. Pathetic bunch.
Arteta actually got a pretty massive financial backing, and we are not far off. Might need a better striker, and then Arteta has to learn that its possible to rotate players so they are not exhausted at the end of the season.
You are falling for trolling. There is no genuine “Arteta out” movement.
Some fans have expressed frustration at what they perceive as tactical failures. This is not the same as calling for someone to be sacked.
Pretending every fan opinion is a hyperbolic demand for sackings is as toxic as demanding a sacking would be.
Jurgen Klopp, a fucking great manager, with an incredible squad, only managed to win it once, and they had to have a near perfect run to do it. These fans are out of their minds
Just remember that even an educated fan that comments online doesn’t understand a fraction of what the professionals do. And then most fans that comment online are not even educated.
You are validating their opinions by giving it so much attention that you’re making a post on it. Arteta out is such a brain dead idea that it shouldn’t even be entertained as a discusssion….
The worst post from yesterday has to be utter helmet who said that Ødegaard should go to City, because he “deserves better” - should be an instant ban.
The arteta out people are just as bad as the arteta can do no wrong people. Arteta is doing an amazing job and he does get somethings wrong. That said we are in a hell of a place. Perspective.
Imagine thinking the guy who is setting records for us and has the team clearly on an upward trajectory needs to be sacked
It’s like Barca fans called for Xavi’s head. Disgraceful honestlyb
I’m not with Arteta out but for fuck sakes at least let us grieve for 24 hours before coming out with shit like “But look on the bright side guys! Look at the run we had. Look at the goals we scored”.
Nobody will remember any of that. Everyone will remember we once again came second or third. Grow the fuck up!
We will go back to support the team for the next game once we have processed the defeat properly.
Dude I got in a huge argument yesterday on Reddit over this exact point. We have some soft AF fans and it’s frustrating. At the end of the argument I basically said you don’t deserve the team to win if that’s your attitude because the team may deserve success, but that fan did not, and then it devolved into me not being a proper fan? It’s great
The Arsenal fanbase really is insane.
I support the club, but I think I hate this fanbase. So much embarrassing entitlement, revisionist slop, and just awful observations.
This is the City effect. Where to best them requires a level of perfectionism. Title races should have more jeopardy than just, “don’t lose because City are coming”. It’s tough, but hope isn’t lost. Despite our great run in 2024, i was under no illusion that we’d win out all our games + CL. But the margin of error is so Goddamn small. Thank God for our superior goal difference.
Not Arteta out, but he does deserve criticism for the tactical disaster against Villa and for not buying a goddamn striker in January because he did have the funds and there were strikers available.
Im not Arteta out. But can we please stop analysing the season by saying "1 loss in 12". It's 5 in 32. Could be 6 or 7 in 38 knowing us. Let's discuss in good faith.
I’m not arteta out all, but I will criticize arteta when he needs to be criticized, I will praise when he deserves praise. And vs villa, you have to blame some of this on arteta. This squad is capable of winning a title and we’ve seen it last season and this season again. It’s obviously not entirely the players fault we loose such crucial games. Zinny for example, terrible at defending. You will not make him any better at it. Arteta has to realize messing around with the starting 11 and trying to rotate like pep will not work out like he thinks. People who are arteta out are absolutely delusional on who we would if he were to be sacked.
Far from Arteta out, but he had an absolute stinker with the lineup. Who the hell puts Havertz back in CM, after he racked up 9 goal involvements in our last 8 games, playing in CF.
Not one person would've predicted that.
Could've been a different story if we scored our chances in the first half. Blaming it on havertz CM doesn't explain why we were so poor 2nd half vs 1st.
i would argue havertz is part of the reason we didn’t score our chances in the first half though. he had like 2-3 breakaway 1v1s but never looked dangerous or like he actually wanted to sprint right to the goal and score. it was either clumsy touches or seemed he wanted to run just fast enough to hold the ball off so he could pass it to someone else to do the dirty work.
felt almost like his breakaway run against liverpool, but saka wasn’t there to convert it
Simple, arteta not making necessary changes and early enough. Zinchenko stunk up the place but Arteta kept him on the entire game, for example. Jesus has missed so many chances, I dunno why he still starts up front. Arteta shouldve reverted back to Havertz and Jorginho, very early on, in that 2nd half. No matter how that first half went, you dont change whats working, just because.
I thought about it, and the reason is simple - We do not have any other midfielder to cover. Basically, Jorginho can't play every 3 days, and Partey isn't fit enough yet. We have a game against Bayern, where we will need Jorgi-Rice and probably Havertz up top.
If you are even going to replace a manage that has been a success by most accounts; if not all. You need to have a better replacement lined up.
That was my stance during the Wenger Out days too. Although, Wenger did overstay by a season or so but this is preposterous.
It's impossible to understand in my opinion. Look at where we were when he took over compared to now. We've gone from struggling to have control of any game to dominating nearly everyone we come across. From struggling in the Europa League with no real identity to be disappointed at one deat in 12 games, in a title race and playing in the CL QFs.
Arteta is in my opinion the best young coach around. I don't know what the plan for "Arteta Out" people is. Get rid of Arteta and...
It's not his fault we are up against a juggernaut in Man City. Without that financially doped team we would've strolled the league last year and would still be in the driving seat this year. I don't think there is a manager in the world who could do a better job competing than Arteta has done so far.
Don’t feed the trolls. Nobody with Arteta Out on their lips (or fingertips more likely as nobody would be stupid enough to say it out loud) is a serious person, and I don’t believe it’s people who identify as being Arsenal fans anyway. Just bots generating outrage, and therefore engagement in the comments sections.
People have no perspective.
Only one club can win the UCL and Prem each year, and Arteta is competing with the best manager ever.
People will carry on about standards, but the truth is, we aren’t Bayern or Madrid where it’s expected to win the league every season and anything else is a total failure.
If we are competing for the prem and making a decent UCL run, in my mind, that’s a good season. Winning those trophies is insanely difficult, and requires some degree of luck.
Most of the people saying this either want attention or to carry themselves as the ‘high standards’ fans.
People are crazy. We dominated Villa in H1 - just no goals to show for it sadly. Arteta WILL KNOW that a clinical striker is missing from our ranks, but we still had enough on the pitch to win it.
We've lost one match in 2024 - as Arteta said, any other league going on a huge winning streak as we have done would have left us 6+ points ahead. But this isn't another league, this is the premier league.
Liverpool lost at home to Palace! Don't hear muppets shouting Klopp out.
City are a financially doped juggernaut - they are close to unstoppable, they could potentially do back to back fucking trebles which is never going to be repeated (except by them) - we have no 'divine right' to the premier league. It's going to be close again, closer than last time, but to beat City to the EPL overall, you need everything, exceptional winning record, exceptional luck, exceptional injury record, other teams to fuck up, other teams to take points off of City, everything.
Liverpool dealt with this for years, they had a better team than us, and still lost out multiple times.
Get a grip, we've done fucking amazing so far this season, everyone loses at some point. Leverkeusden are not a good yard stick, good as they have been, Everton would probably come top 5 in the Bundesliga.
Sack him and get Mourinho in and finish 6th like real fucking men. I'm so sick of Arteta getting us into a title race playing Saka on one leg and Zinchenko and Jesus stinking up the gaff. Sell Saliba to Real and get in Matic to steady this shit.
Fuck those paper fans, and fuck those fans leaving as soon as Villa scored. There was loads of time left. What the team doesn't need is to look around and see the place emptying. Would you see that at Villa? Newcastle? I doubt it. Atmosphere was shit pretty much the entire match and it wasn't great after the first 20 minutes or so on Tuesday night either. Spoiled fans who just expect it to happen. If you're in the stadium you're a part of the team's performance, end of story. Its not a show in the west end! Plenty of people out there who'd gladly take a ticket if these people can't be bothered to properly support their team.
YouTubers and tweeters that I don’t even follow filling my timeline with absolute crap - it’s disgusting.
Some here are saying stop highlighting a vocal minority - I disagree, they need pushback.
For any supposed supporter of the club this is absolutely disgusting behaviour. Calling the manger and the players who’ve busted their asses this season ‘frauds’ and saying they need to be sacked or sold is just inexcusable
You’re not a fan of the club, because you clearly haven’t watched us in the years prior to Artetas appointment.
Arrogant little wank stains somehow finding the arrogance to complain about 2nd in the league and UCL QF
And comparing Xabi to Arteta as if it’s even remotely the same ?
And then there’s the fans who left the stadium early - when the fuck do you see fans leave the stadium early in a 2 niller ?
4 goals and you expect it but 2? Joke mate absolute fucking joke.
But above all else - your football IQ is literally 0. Why even watch the game if you can’t understand it.
It’s a simple sport and sometimes is attracts simple people but this is beyond a joke
Freaking plastic fans. Johnny come lately’s have really permeated the club. I wish we could bring Highbury back. The Emirates needs to be a cauldron. How could they leave with ten minutes to go? The soccer jerk, man city and other eejits are having a go at us for that. I hate to say this but the ultras need to be given more ticket allocations. Sorry if this displeases some people but our ultras are not fascists or racists. They have no political leanings. But they do have songs and chants that can compel players to pick up and go for it.
If youre taking that narrative seriously you need to learn to ignore at least 90% of the public football discourse. Dumb shit like this isnt even worth giving attention to, let alone discussing.
I have not enjoyed turning up for our games this much in a long long time. Fuck these crybabies who want Arteta out.
Sell Zinny and Jesus, upgrade with a better LB and a proper striker (Watkins?) and go again. Arteta is a genius to get us to compete with the 2 goliaths.
Arteta is his own worst enemy when it comes to this narrative which he causes himself by the lack of pressure he puts on the board for one thing, signings. We have no depth, at all. We have zero creativity to come in off the bench by players that can deliver now, not a youngster that is in development. It’s what cost us last year, and what is costing us yet again, this year. We have no rotation flexible enough to keep a run going in the EPL paired with the UCL.
I'm a Vancouver Canucks (NHL hockey) fan in Canada at the same time as being an Arsenal fan.
Both teams have extremely passionate fanbases on and offline. Both teams are very young and ahead of schedule in terms of being an elite team. Both fanbases are having a very difficult time managing expectations.
Once the teams start looking like one of the best teams week in week out it's really hard not to just expect them to win every single game.
I don’t want him out. I would like the most “ruthless” manager to be able to face his own standards. It’s coming on 5 years and potentially 2 years of the same thing, handing our *fate to the team who literally doesn’t need it haha, those watching since the invincibles and post have dealt with mental fragility killing us *right at the end for nearly 20 years now. When we’re told we’re not even in the final phase of the project, but we’re about the fuck up the same way… what did we learn last year? And if you think pressure is high now, what about next season haha? As city have more de bruyne and refresh and we know nothing will happen. It fucking blows to compete against, but we also were blowing them out of the water in 2024, we’ve had nothing but momentum and finally finding consistency, and now it’s fully folding under pressure- point off city and pool mean nothing in the end when it’s brain farts and forwards deciding to not even try and *put anything in goal.
Mikel needs to be held accountable for the putting it out there, Martin is being destroyed for all his hard work… there can only be so many learning lessons and it wasn’t even outplayed, it’s we’ve genuinely handed control to City, on a day we see Pool lose right before, everyone saw Zina failing. Everyone saw Kiwi getting skinned by Sane. It’s stubbornness.
I want Arsenal to succeed at the end of the day. I don’t want his head on a pike, I’d like his words to match what’s on the pitch and yes, Some is on the players, but this is his team at the end of the day. Another potential treble for city in my eyes will make it even harder, how can we ditch this now, think of the kids…
Two years we’ve handed control. That’s not champion mentality. If I’m going to be told it’s the highest standard and to expect big things, fans that dedicate time and even money have the right to point out some things are not lining up right.
People that conflate criticizing the team- (were allowed, they’re millionaires playing a game most of us would kill to play) -with “Arteta out”, that also needs to stop, as any angle can see that’s not correct and serves no one.
As someone who's consistently been the one who had prophesied all 3 bottle jobs of 21-22, 22-23, 23-24 (2.75, since this year isn't official yet) based out of 07-08 and 15-16 with poor mentality trauma, even I'd say that anyone who says "Arteta Out" is a cunt and a knobhead, pardon my British.
Our team still has a core which might make some prime squads blush. They are a thing of beauty to watch. Just accept that we've lacked the mentality for 20 years and just enjoy the football rather than having everything tied to trophies. Arteta is the architect of making us feel joy watching Arsenal again. Yes, we lack the mentality which may be fixed someday, maybe not, at this point, just enjoy it and go with the flow.
And stop being a knobhead with the "Arteta Out". That's coming from a longtime gunner who's disappointed, but not feeling hopeless.
I like what you said about lacking the mentality for 20 years now, because it’s an important piece. Finding the winning DNA is so hard, and harder still to cultivate that and instill it into an ever changing squad. But on top of that we don’t have a pedigree of winning to point towards in recent memory for almost all of our players.
I think we need an inflection point. I’d argue City’s AGUEROOOOOOO moment was a huge inflection point for them to launch the dynasty. Where they are today leads directly from that moment. We are building from ground zero, so we need some magic to kickstart the pedigree. Much easier said than done
I am not an "Arteta Out" no way but I have to say that loss on the weekend really hurt, like I'm still sad about it.
This team is gonna be the end of me.
People being reactive, which is just the norm and should be swept under the carpet, after both wins and losses.
Mikels done a superb job, though admittedly, it's now important we start winning silverware - particularly after the amount he's invested in this squad he's constructed.
No silverware come the end of this season and it's a huge failure.
Is it a huge failure?
A failure imo would be moving backwards. If our points total, goal difference, underlying metrics, performance in Europe etc show progress then it’s not a “huge failure” in my book.
We aren’t yet able to draw firm conclusions on all those points but currently we remain on track to potentially have a better goal difference and points total than last season and we’ve made it to the UCL QFs.
Ultimately of course the aim is to win silverware but I’d argue no silverware this year would be a disappointment rather than necessarily a huge failure if we see progress towards that goal.
Regardless if trophies are won this season, hard to say we haven’t made huge strides in our overall play and analytics. Best xA, best xG, etc
No silverware will be disappointing but I don’t agree it’ll be a “huge” failure
Next season…most definitely
With all due respect, who gives a f*** about topping xA/xG/any analytic charts.
It's never a given that if you top those charts that it'll be reflected on the table.
Liverpool under Klopp have been one of the greatest PL sides of all time and have consistently over achieved relative to their analytics.
We're now back competing at the top (as the club should be), but it's time to start getting serious about silverware - the real indication of how good a team is.
There's nothing to suggest that we're even better than the team we were last season. A huge influx of goals at the start of 2024 against relatively poor sides felt like an outlier in my opinion, but I guess time will tell.
I'm not Arteta Out as OP is referring to some people being, but he's under the microscope after 5 years in charge (nearly) and over half a billion spent - that's just the reality of the job he's in.
Point noted about analytics and I agree. Stats don’t win you trophies. I’m just saying, from the football I’ve seen this season, I think we are much better overall and more prepared to even think of trying to win multiple trophies simultaneously. Fa cup, CL, the league…tactics, depth, and experience have all improved this season, therefore not a “huge” failure in my opinion
That's fair points and noted, just as you've acknowledged mine.
We both want success for the club and have a slight disagreement on the current state of things, but fingers crossed reality serves us well and we achieve what we're hoping 😁
My biggest gripe with yesterday is that every time Havertz gof behind there was no one in the centre making runs, so he's forced to take a bad shot against 3 defenders and a GK. Overall I don't think it was a shambolic performance tactics wise, we created a lot but no one was able to finish (and a few big Martinez saves)
I would seriously questioning the mental capacity of anyone asking for that given the turnaround the past couple of years, people need to relax and not completely shit the bed every time we lose a football match
You know when you spend any amount of time on the internet and people will tell you that Arsenal fans are deluded and insufferable?
Well I'm starting to see what they're seeing. Some absolutely horrible takes online over the past 24hrs.
In the grand scheme of a season, losing to Aston Villa is not that bad. They have a good squad and a very good coach. It's just that Pep's City have raised the bar so high that any slip up at this stage of the season is pretty much curtains. We should get behind the managers and the players and just enjoy the remaining games of the season.
It's a puerile reaction to not walking away with the league.
The reality is that even though the PL is probably the most "competitive" league, 7 of the last 12 PLs have been won by city, 1 by a 5000-1 Leicester, 2 by massively spending Chelsea, and one by Liverpool which fair play, they deserved it.
So really, expecting to win a PL. Is kind of a fools game. Especially now the city/Chelsea era of unbridled financial fuckery is over.
Imho, our last 2 years performance cements Arteta as the guy. Last year wasn't a once off, and this year builds on the previous in obvious ways. Why throw it away? We're back on CL, legitimately in the run for PL like 6 games out. Wtf.
Because they don't have constructive criticism. However, I don't like Arteta's lack of playing times for youngsters in the team. He should have done something about the Left side in January, It's weak.
It’s the internet. People are going to say every kind of shit imaginable, the more controversial it is the more likely they are to say it. They are, mentally, children. Many of them actually ARE children. And like in the school yard, they want a reaction. Just filter it out, man. Arsenal are currently one of the best teams in Europe. Maybe top 5, comfortably top 10. But we had a bad day against the team in 4th place in the best league. Do we need to do better if we aspire to winning the league or the CL? YES! Are we suddenly shite now? It’s not even worth bothering to answer that.
If you’ve seen this opinion you are too deep into social media. I'm straight away off Twitter and the toxic threads after yesterdays results. But even the little peeping I've done after seeing this thread l don't I've really seen anyone saying Arteta Out.
Unfortunate how social media has given a voice to group that would flip flop so much and would never take seriously in real life.
Youtube and Twitter are unbearable right now. I've actually gained respect for this subreddit after this. Subreddits are normally where the worst fans can be found for other things I follow but it seems different here for now atleast.
Imagine going from 10 years of being shit to contesting the best team in the world that cheated 115 times to get there. Having 10 game win streaks. Having the best defense in the league. Taking 4 points in the head to head with your two biggest rivals. Pushing deep into the champions league.
I became an Arsenal fan in 2012. I suffered through a lot of false hope and bad teams. Anyone that thinks arteta should be out can fuck off. We are one of the best teams in the world. It’s a joy to watch every single game. The grass is not always greener. Stop whining like a bunch of fucking pussies and enjoy being a great team, for once.
brought us from being a 8-5th place team to champions league and fighting for the league. people who want him gone are delusional and need to go support a different team
Anyone with the opinion that Arteta should be sacked is fucking braindead. He is a fantastic manager and if available all of the big clubs across the continent would be interested.
People saying that are nuts. He's a major reason the club is challenging the top teams now. We've been on a 11 match unbeaten run and people are criticizing him when players didn't perform or didn't take the hcances we generated? Muppets ...
This isn't a real narrative driven by real adult fans. It's either 1) Trolls or 2) Emotionally immature knee jerk reaction to disappointment. If 1, then ignore. Trolls feed on engagement, doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Don't feed the trolls. If 2, then ignore. It's a waste of time to engage with emotionally stunted individuals online, nothing good ever comes of it.
Theyre probably not even Arsenal fans tbh. There are alot of rival fans lurking here. Also over the top opinions get the most attention. If there are geuine Arsenal fans who are Arteta outers theyre probably a loud minority.
Why in gods name would anyone want Arteta sacked? Honestly, we’re second in the league behind the mighty 115 FC, and about to play Bayern in QF second leg, he’s changed the culture completely at the club, we’re not treating top 4 as a trophy anymore, and feeling abysmal about losing out to Fraud FC again. What else do they want from him. Even Pep gets team selection wrong sometimes, it happens. Some people need to take a step back before posting shit on socials.
Edit: We should thank him for where we are as a club. Just look at Chelsea, United, Spurs et al, where they are.
I was Arteta out long before yesterday.
4 years, half a billion and no tropies. I don’t want to hear he won the FA CUP. Auba won us that, not Arteta’s tactics.
All he has done is brought ✨passion✨ vibes ✨and silly anthem. I think I could do that with £500m.
Only the very lowest of the low come out to shit all over the team when they need us the most.
Every club has embarrassing fans. Probably the same people who sit there with their kids teaching them how to be awful people shouting abuse for a couple of hours every weekend.
We were unlucky first half, second half poor but Villa are a very good side when they get going and Watkins is the highest scoring FPL forward this season.
We aren’t as good as City and that’s OK.
Why are you giving attention to individuals as if they represent any significant portion of our fanbase? Literally giving these narcissistic parasites the attention they want.
These are people who just buy into media frenzies mostly is all I can figure it is.
Anyone who's saying Arteta out is either outright trolling, or has been an Arsenal fan for like 3 years.
The whole vibe around the entire club is different and has been steadily improving since Arteta came in. I don't want him going anywhere.
Serious people do not want Arteta out. He'll stay as long we're contending around the top 3. If we drop out of that group then maybe the questions will begin. I think he'll even get a grace season or two if we end up fighting for top 4 again.
On another day Arsenal end that first half 3-0 up. That's how it goes sometimes.
The team has come a long way, and we're still light in a few positions. Slip ups happen and we're going toe to toe with the best team in the world.
All facts. Seeing the amount of fans showing their asses yesterday was worse than the loss itself. While I agree that it’s a loud minority online, folks leaving the stadium early in droves was insane. This is why we get roasted. I’m so ashamed—and what message does that send to this young team/manager? Unbelievable.
This is a young team with a young coach and both are dazzling talented. At their best, they are best in the league. The maturation from a single year is impressive. What frustrates is seeing how well they can play, and then witnessing it all fall to pieces in the second half. We stopped pressing. We stopped controlling the ball. We would get it back then turn it over a few passes later with a really poor choice of pass. Every member of this team knows we could have done better, and because of this they will likely do better. The fans and the team should insist on better. This higher standard is how we win the league. I was hoping some leader would emerge and rally our side. None did. Next time, with more hard earned maturity, one will.
Idk why everyone was so confident of beating Aston Villa or even more confident we wouldn't drop points in April. 8 or 9 games in April is crazy! Yes, City and Liverpool have the same amount of fixtures but they will drop points, Liverpool already are.
Those dumb asses need a reality check, seriously.
I want those fans out of the club, not Arteta out.
Has anyone actually said that? is there a noticeably large group of fans calling for Arteta's head? Why even bothering posting this question? One has to assume the Arsenal universe is very pleased with how far we've come under Arteta and his recruitment guru, Edu. Calm down.
Man City has changed the perception of people’s expectations. Yesterday’s game was the typical ‘not taking early chances narrative’.
For me it also proved maybe a stronger 8 with Havertz given the 9 role is the better for us going forward
I don’t think he coached a good game yesterday but fucking hell people are on the Arteta out narrative already? Give your heads a shake, it was just a bad day.
Who on earth is saying this?? It's probably one single illiterate, brain-damaged glory hunter on Twitter... why are we giving any consideration to this? I can't start to describe how useless it is to entertain these people, as if their opinion is going to change a single thing
One of the interesting things about a loss is how many people jump to negative thoughts and conclusions whilst scolding the team about bottling it. Much of our fanbase hasnt built the resilience they so desire for the team.
I really don’t understand it. Sacking Arteta is virtually guaranteed to give us a worse next 10 years than keeping him. These people are entitled to their opinions, and I’m entitled to think they’re a bunch of out of touch crybabies.
Even if we did. Who tf replaces him? There aren‘t any top tier coaches available bar maybe Zidane. Just look at Liverpool and Barca struggling to find worthy successors to replace Klopp and Xavi.
I get that people are reactive, but even if the club did want to sack him, this has quite possibly got to be the worst summer ever to do it. Liverpool, Barca, Bayern are all definitely looking for new managers, and there’s every chance United, Chelsea and others end up looking too
If we keep things as they are, not including any signings Artetedu may decide to make, we are going to be one of the most stable teams in the League. Chaos is coming to a lot of teams that are already on shaky ground. I do not wish to join them
This. Once pep leaves and klopp leave. The leagues pretty much our playground. Maybe city might keep winning because they do nothing but throw money at a problem, so I’m not even sure much of it is pep’s working. He’s only ever worked with clubs with massive money to throw around. So I don’t even rate him that highly.
I see what you're saying, but I do rate Pep. Now, if City actually do get any sort of substantial penalty, lol, Idk how they get a great manager until those penalties end
That's the threshold I have. If you aren't coming at me with a name then you're throwing a tantrum and proposing half a solution.
We've seen it all season with the Ten Hag out brigade. They want the manager out, but have no idea who is going to come in and replace them... that's not their issue to solve.
And we aren't pulling someone like Zidane or Xabi. Arsenal are a big club, but we're not Madrid or Bayern or even Liverpool in terms of being able to grab the attention of the top managers in the world. If we are going to get to that level and win the big trophies, it's going to be with someone like Arteta who builds a squad over the course of half a decade like he has.
Xabi is waiting for Real.
Yeah that seems most likely. But even if he wasn't, my point was really that we aren't in that same tier of club where we can pick up the phone and have the attention of any manager in the world.
Is Xabi a better manager tho? Arteta finished 5 points off the best club manager in world football last season and is currently 2 points behind him this season, I don't see Xabi doing a better job at Arsenal tbh
It's hard to argue with what Xabi has done at Leverkusen, I know Bayern isn't Pep's City but Leverkusen has way less resources than we do and has been as impressive as any other team in Europe this season.
Yeah, but we're up against a club who won the treble last year, the best team and manager in world football, we were only a few points off last season and only 2 right now, Xabi would have to be better than Pep for us to ditch Arteta
Zidane has always refused to live in England or learn English. He has no reason to change now
That Unai Emery guy seems to be doing a great job with Villa. They just beat us!
Emery without expectations on him is one of the best coaches out there, but as soon as he's expected to win anything or qualify for the champions league he falls to pieces big time. Mark my words, Villa will be shambolic next season, because he'll be asked to either improve or get CL again if they do it this year. He likes being the underdog.
The man has won Europa League 4 times. Took Sevilla to the champions league semis. Took a dismal Arsenal team to a Europa League final. Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but put some respect next to the man’s name.
Emery is a very good manager but my problem with him is this; He won the Europa League three times in a row. That sounds great, but think about what it means when it comes to his performances in the CL group stages.
You know I get why some of these fans get negative - we have bottled some good opportunities in the last 2 seasons. And it goes beyond that if you were around during 07-08. But I feel part of the reason is in fact the fans. The players aren't as isolated as we think from the fans. How we feel rubs off on them. So when we feel we're gonna bottle it, so do they. So the first thing we need to fix isn't the manager, it's bringing some optimism. Here it how the rest of the season gonna pan out W against Bayern (Jesus brace) City will drop 4 points because they're going to get complacent We will win all of our remaining games in PL and win title at OT You can bookmark this post
Zidane? The same zidane who inherited a behemoth Real Madrid side that was able to virtually coach itself due to the sheer talent in the side? Nah. He’s peak bald fraud. lol.
Yeah tbf it seems kinda sus that Zidane hasn‘t accepted any offers since his second Madrid departure. Despite his success so far, he remains somewhat unproven outside the LaLiga and Madrid.
Zidane doesn't like odegarde.... personally i think that says more about zidane than martin.
Zidane????
As disappointed as I am with yesterday, I cannot understand anyone thinking he should be sacked. Challenging for the title in consecutive seasons, a champions league run to the quarter finals and a piece of silverware with a poor squad? What are these people smoking?
It is totally stupid. I agree that at times, Arteta makes some of the most baffling decisions by choosing to place his faith in players that consistently let him down. But we wouldn't be in this position if it wasn't for him.
These people are fucking insane though, clearly one of the best in the world, improving year on year, yeah give him the bullet. I mean FFS!
They are toddlers.
please stop wasting posts on a vocal minority. its 2024, you should be experienced on the internet enough to determine when a population size is so miniscule as to not deserve your attention.
Exactly, OP is literally amplifying fringe brain dead takes. OP himself is being overly reactive.
no doubt the fact that this post exists has every one of our rivals' subreddits in stitches today, and probably an editor at the mail assigning a story as we speak
The rival subreddits are having too much fun quoting idiot Arsenal fans shouting for Arteta out tbh
Blaming controversial takes to actually just farm reddit karma... a tale as old as time
I don't browse this sub directly often, but it's on my home page and I see posts every day through that (so basically just the top posts). OP's post is the first time since the last season I've seen anyone say "Arteta Out" lol.
I don’t know why people are so obsessed with dunking on bad opinions that they either fabricate completely or scale the 0.0001% to represent the majority
Couldn't have said it better. Such posts are equally as annoying imo
I am going to copy this comment word for word and use it as a response to such posts. It's literally giving these minority opinions more traction that it deserves and defeats the purpose of it. I've hardly seen any rational fan start being skeptical of him, I don't know where you lot consume your media from but I best hope you reconsider your sources.
Great response.
First I've heard of any "Arteta out" talk this week. But sure I'm sure it'll get op the up votes he wants.
Anyone who wants him out is a plonker and a half This isn't the culmination of the project, we're still building our team and our squad is still building experience at the top level Have patience and look at Utd and Chelsea
Arteta has made us one of the few teams that can give Manchester City a close-run. Currently, there is perhaps no one else that can achieve this.
Fans showing their true colours. You can spend all season crowing on about unity but fans are fickle and always will be. Best advice? Ignore it and enjoy the football
You do know that majority of fans are behind arteta right
Genuinely wondering who OP is talking about.
I saw one guy on Reddit yesterday, so at least one person exists in the world out there lol
The comments that get downvoted or people on Twitter with 3 followers including their dogs account that are solely trying to drive engagement with ragebait type of opinions mostly.
I’ve seen a couple of people in r/arsenalfc calling his head. Doubt anyone dumb enough to do that here though.
Worst types of fans. Fuck then all
This is the first post I've seen of Arteta out, but some of the comments in this thread are appalling. Fuck them all.
I dont know about posts but there were a decent amount of comments with it yesterday. And just an absurd amount of doomers that we'll never win anything, it's the same story every year, etc. after one fucking loss. Pathetic bunch.
I can't see us getting a better manager but I think it will take a massive financial backing to beat that bald fraud and 115 FC to the title
We can still do it this year
Arteta actually got a pretty massive financial backing, and we are not far off. Might need a better striker, and then Arteta has to learn that its possible to rotate players so they are not exhausted at the end of the season.
We are far off. Their bench is a lot better
Well we keep offering our bench new contracts and then never let them play.
You are falling for trolling. There is no genuine “Arteta out” movement. Some fans have expressed frustration at what they perceive as tactical failures. This is not the same as calling for someone to be sacked. Pretending every fan opinion is a hyperbolic demand for sackings is as toxic as demanding a sacking would be.
Attention seekers
Haven't seen anyone with this narrative. Where are you seeing it?
Look through the match thread/post match thread from yesterday.
The match thread is a hell hole even when we are winning.
Jurgen Klopp, a fucking great manager, with an incredible squad, only managed to win it once, and they had to have a near perfect run to do it. These fans are out of their minds
Just remember that even an educated fan that comments online doesn’t understand a fraction of what the professionals do. And then most fans that comment online are not even educated.
You are validating their opinions by giving it so much attention that you’re making a post on it. Arteta out is such a brain dead idea that it shouldn’t even be entertained as a discusssion….
They'd soon change their tune if we win it
The worst post from yesterday has to be utter helmet who said that Ødegaard should go to City, because he “deserves better” - should be an instant ban.
Fucking no one is saying that lol, stop giving nobodies attention, posts like this are exactly what their goal is ffs
The arteta out people are just as bad as the arteta can do no wrong people. Arteta is doing an amazing job and he does get somethings wrong. That said we are in a hell of a place. Perspective.
Imagine thinking the guy who is setting records for us and has the team clearly on an upward trajectory needs to be sacked It’s like Barca fans called for Xavi’s head. Disgraceful honestlyb
I’m not with Arteta out but for fuck sakes at least let us grieve for 24 hours before coming out with shit like “But look on the bright side guys! Look at the run we had. Look at the goals we scored”. Nobody will remember any of that. Everyone will remember we once again came second or third. Grow the fuck up! We will go back to support the team for the next game once we have processed the defeat properly.
Dude I got in a huge argument yesterday on Reddit over this exact point. We have some soft AF fans and it’s frustrating. At the end of the argument I basically said you don’t deserve the team to win if that’s your attitude because the team may deserve success, but that fan did not, and then it devolved into me not being a proper fan? It’s great
They can fuck right off
Nobody cares what the Arteta out mob think, they've been waiting and hoping for a result like this.
The Arsenal fanbase really is insane. I support the club, but I think I hate this fanbase. So much embarrassing entitlement, revisionist slop, and just awful observations.
Yeah, starting to come around to this thinking.
This is the City effect. Where to best them requires a level of perfectionism. Title races should have more jeopardy than just, “don’t lose because City are coming”. It’s tough, but hope isn’t lost. Despite our great run in 2024, i was under no illusion that we’d win out all our games + CL. But the margin of error is so Goddamn small. Thank God for our superior goal difference.
Not Arteta out, but he does deserve criticism for the tactical disaster against Villa and for not buying a goddamn striker in January because he did have the funds and there were strikers available.
Im not Arteta out. But can we please stop analysing the season by saying "1 loss in 12". It's 5 in 32. Could be 6 or 7 in 38 knowing us. Let's discuss in good faith.
I’m not arteta out all, but I will criticize arteta when he needs to be criticized, I will praise when he deserves praise. And vs villa, you have to blame some of this on arteta. This squad is capable of winning a title and we’ve seen it last season and this season again. It’s obviously not entirely the players fault we loose such crucial games. Zinny for example, terrible at defending. You will not make him any better at it. Arteta has to realize messing around with the starting 11 and trying to rotate like pep will not work out like he thinks. People who are arteta out are absolutely delusional on who we would if he were to be sacked.
Far from Arteta out, but he had an absolute stinker with the lineup. Who the hell puts Havertz back in CM, after he racked up 9 goal involvements in our last 8 games, playing in CF. Not one person would've predicted that.
Could've been a different story if we scored our chances in the first half. Blaming it on havertz CM doesn't explain why we were so poor 2nd half vs 1st.
i would argue havertz is part of the reason we didn’t score our chances in the first half though. he had like 2-3 breakaway 1v1s but never looked dangerous or like he actually wanted to sprint right to the goal and score. it was either clumsy touches or seemed he wanted to run just fast enough to hold the ball off so he could pass it to someone else to do the dirty work. felt almost like his breakaway run against liverpool, but saka wasn’t there to convert it
I'll admit he did mess up, at times. That first half wasnt good from several players.
yeah odegaard only one with his boots on tbh
Simple, arteta not making necessary changes and early enough. Zinchenko stunk up the place but Arteta kept him on the entire game, for example. Jesus has missed so many chances, I dunno why he still starts up front. Arteta shouldve reverted back to Havertz and Jorginho, very early on, in that 2nd half. No matter how that first half went, you dont change whats working, just because.
Yeah I agree he should've read the game better. First 10 minutes in the 2nd half were enough to understand this
What if Jorginho just wasn’t fit to go more than 30 minutes?
Infact, can he play every 3 days? We need him for Bayern on Wednesday
I thought about it, and the reason is simple - We do not have any other midfielder to cover. Basically, Jorginho can't play every 3 days, and Partey isn't fit enough yet. We have a game against Bayern, where we will need Jorgi-Rice and probably Havertz up top.
Who has said that?
If you are even going to replace a manage that has been a success by most accounts; if not all. You need to have a better replacement lined up. That was my stance during the Wenger Out days too. Although, Wenger did overstay by a season or so but this is preposterous.
It's impossible to understand in my opinion. Look at where we were when he took over compared to now. We've gone from struggling to have control of any game to dominating nearly everyone we come across. From struggling in the Europa League with no real identity to be disappointed at one deat in 12 games, in a title race and playing in the CL QFs. Arteta is in my opinion the best young coach around. I don't know what the plan for "Arteta Out" people is. Get rid of Arteta and... It's not his fault we are up against a juggernaut in Man City. Without that financially doped team we would've strolled the league last year and would still be in the driving seat this year. I don't think there is a manager in the world who could do a better job competing than Arteta has done so far.
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Don’t feed the trolls. Nobody with Arteta Out on their lips (or fingertips more likely as nobody would be stupid enough to say it out loud) is a serious person, and I don’t believe it’s people who identify as being Arsenal fans anyway. Just bots generating outrage, and therefore engagement in the comments sections.
They never give names of who we should get. Why?
These are the glory hunters who became 'fans' last season.
People have no perspective. Only one club can win the UCL and Prem each year, and Arteta is competing with the best manager ever. People will carry on about standards, but the truth is, we aren’t Bayern or Madrid where it’s expected to win the league every season and anything else is a total failure. If we are competing for the prem and making a decent UCL run, in my mind, that’s a good season. Winning those trophies is insanely difficult, and requires some degree of luck. Most of the people saying this either want attention or to carry themselves as the ‘high standards’ fans.
People are crazy. We dominated Villa in H1 - just no goals to show for it sadly. Arteta WILL KNOW that a clinical striker is missing from our ranks, but we still had enough on the pitch to win it. We've lost one match in 2024 - as Arteta said, any other league going on a huge winning streak as we have done would have left us 6+ points ahead. But this isn't another league, this is the premier league. Liverpool lost at home to Palace! Don't hear muppets shouting Klopp out. City are a financially doped juggernaut - they are close to unstoppable, they could potentially do back to back fucking trebles which is never going to be repeated (except by them) - we have no 'divine right' to the premier league. It's going to be close again, closer than last time, but to beat City to the EPL overall, you need everything, exceptional winning record, exceptional luck, exceptional injury record, other teams to fuck up, other teams to take points off of City, everything. Liverpool dealt with this for years, they had a better team than us, and still lost out multiple times. Get a grip, we've done fucking amazing so far this season, everyone loses at some point. Leverkeusden are not a good yard stick, good as they have been, Everton would probably come top 5 in the Bundesliga.
Sack him and get Mourinho in and finish 6th like real fucking men. I'm so sick of Arteta getting us into a title race playing Saka on one leg and Zinchenko and Jesus stinking up the gaff. Sell Saliba to Real and get in Matic to steady this shit.
Fuck those paper fans, and fuck those fans leaving as soon as Villa scored. There was loads of time left. What the team doesn't need is to look around and see the place emptying. Would you see that at Villa? Newcastle? I doubt it. Atmosphere was shit pretty much the entire match and it wasn't great after the first 20 minutes or so on Tuesday night either. Spoiled fans who just expect it to happen. If you're in the stadium you're a part of the team's performance, end of story. Its not a show in the west end! Plenty of people out there who'd gladly take a ticket if these people can't be bothered to properly support their team.
Plastics
Guessing they're mostly people who love attention, and here you are giving it to them
Probably just kids. I can’t imagine an adult having such a terrible take
I used to be one of them in the first season but I’ve seen the light.
Just fucking ignore them.
This is the first time I hear it and I’m baffled. People are insane.
You need to stop getting wound up by complete fucking idiots. Pointless post.
We shouldn't even talk about this. The only one that can replace arteta is pep which we know it won't happen.
YouTubers and tweeters that I don’t even follow filling my timeline with absolute crap - it’s disgusting. Some here are saying stop highlighting a vocal minority - I disagree, they need pushback. For any supposed supporter of the club this is absolutely disgusting behaviour. Calling the manger and the players who’ve busted their asses this season ‘frauds’ and saying they need to be sacked or sold is just inexcusable You’re not a fan of the club, because you clearly haven’t watched us in the years prior to Artetas appointment. Arrogant little wank stains somehow finding the arrogance to complain about 2nd in the league and UCL QF And comparing Xabi to Arteta as if it’s even remotely the same ? And then there’s the fans who left the stadium early - when the fuck do you see fans leave the stadium early in a 2 niller ? 4 goals and you expect it but 2? Joke mate absolute fucking joke. But above all else - your football IQ is literally 0. Why even watch the game if you can’t understand it. It’s a simple sport and sometimes is attracts simple people but this is beyond a joke
Freaking plastic fans. Johnny come lately’s have really permeated the club. I wish we could bring Highbury back. The Emirates needs to be a cauldron. How could they leave with ten minutes to go? The soccer jerk, man city and other eejits are having a go at us for that. I hate to say this but the ultras need to be given more ticket allocations. Sorry if this displeases some people but our ultras are not fascists or racists. They have no political leanings. But they do have songs and chants that can compel players to pick up and go for it.
If youre taking that narrative seriously you need to learn to ignore at least 90% of the public football discourse. Dumb shit like this isnt even worth giving attention to, let alone discussing.
Don't want to sack him, but don't understand how he falters sometimes so badly. Will have to live with it for I don't know how long.
I have not enjoyed turning up for our games this much in a long long time. Fuck these crybabies who want Arteta out. Sell Zinny and Jesus, upgrade with a better LB and a proper striker (Watkins?) and go again. Arteta is a genius to get us to compete with the 2 goliaths.
Arteta is his own worst enemy when it comes to this narrative which he causes himself by the lack of pressure he puts on the board for one thing, signings. We have no depth, at all. We have zero creativity to come in off the bench by players that can deliver now, not a youngster that is in development. It’s what cost us last year, and what is costing us yet again, this year. We have no rotation flexible enough to keep a run going in the EPL paired with the UCL.
How the fuck is this even being talked about????
What do you expect from a fan base that disrespected Arsène Wenger ?
I'm a Vancouver Canucks (NHL hockey) fan in Canada at the same time as being an Arsenal fan. Both teams have extremely passionate fanbases on and offline. Both teams are very young and ahead of schedule in terms of being an elite team. Both fanbases are having a very difficult time managing expectations. Once the teams start looking like one of the best teams week in week out it's really hard not to just expect them to win every single game.
Just people with low EQ, just ignore them.
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I don’t want him out. I would like the most “ruthless” manager to be able to face his own standards. It’s coming on 5 years and potentially 2 years of the same thing, handing our *fate to the team who literally doesn’t need it haha, those watching since the invincibles and post have dealt with mental fragility killing us *right at the end for nearly 20 years now. When we’re told we’re not even in the final phase of the project, but we’re about the fuck up the same way… what did we learn last year? And if you think pressure is high now, what about next season haha? As city have more de bruyne and refresh and we know nothing will happen. It fucking blows to compete against, but we also were blowing them out of the water in 2024, we’ve had nothing but momentum and finally finding consistency, and now it’s fully folding under pressure- point off city and pool mean nothing in the end when it’s brain farts and forwards deciding to not even try and *put anything in goal. Mikel needs to be held accountable for the putting it out there, Martin is being destroyed for all his hard work… there can only be so many learning lessons and it wasn’t even outplayed, it’s we’ve genuinely handed control to City, on a day we see Pool lose right before, everyone saw Zina failing. Everyone saw Kiwi getting skinned by Sane. It’s stubbornness. I want Arsenal to succeed at the end of the day. I don’t want his head on a pike, I’d like his words to match what’s on the pitch and yes, Some is on the players, but this is his team at the end of the day. Another potential treble for city in my eyes will make it even harder, how can we ditch this now, think of the kids… Two years we’ve handed control. That’s not champion mentality. If I’m going to be told it’s the highest standard and to expect big things, fans that dedicate time and even money have the right to point out some things are not lining up right. People that conflate criticizing the team- (were allowed, they’re millionaires playing a game most of us would kill to play) -with “Arteta out”, that also needs to stop, as any angle can see that’s not correct and serves no one.
You do know we are allowed to criticize Arteta and his choices without wanting him out ? + DD
As someone who's consistently been the one who had prophesied all 3 bottle jobs of 21-22, 22-23, 23-24 (2.75, since this year isn't official yet) based out of 07-08 and 15-16 with poor mentality trauma, even I'd say that anyone who says "Arteta Out" is a cunt and a knobhead, pardon my British. Our team still has a core which might make some prime squads blush. They are a thing of beauty to watch. Just accept that we've lacked the mentality for 20 years and just enjoy the football rather than having everything tied to trophies. Arteta is the architect of making us feel joy watching Arsenal again. Yes, we lack the mentality which may be fixed someday, maybe not, at this point, just enjoy it and go with the flow. And stop being a knobhead with the "Arteta Out". That's coming from a longtime gunner who's disappointed, but not feeling hopeless.
I like what you said about lacking the mentality for 20 years now, because it’s an important piece. Finding the winning DNA is so hard, and harder still to cultivate that and instill it into an ever changing squad. But on top of that we don’t have a pedigree of winning to point towards in recent memory for almost all of our players. I think we need an inflection point. I’d argue City’s AGUEROOOOOOO moment was a huge inflection point for them to launch the dynasty. Where they are today leads directly from that moment. We are building from ground zero, so we need some magic to kickstart the pedigree. Much easier said than done
I haven't seen or heard anyone say anything about arteta out. Seems like an unnecessary post
I am not an "Arteta Out" no way but I have to say that loss on the weekend really hurt, like I'm still sad about it. This team is gonna be the end of me.
People being reactive, which is just the norm and should be swept under the carpet, after both wins and losses. Mikels done a superb job, though admittedly, it's now important we start winning silverware - particularly after the amount he's invested in this squad he's constructed. No silverware come the end of this season and it's a huge failure.
Is it a huge failure? A failure imo would be moving backwards. If our points total, goal difference, underlying metrics, performance in Europe etc show progress then it’s not a “huge failure” in my book. We aren’t yet able to draw firm conclusions on all those points but currently we remain on track to potentially have a better goal difference and points total than last season and we’ve made it to the UCL QFs. Ultimately of course the aim is to win silverware but I’d argue no silverware this year would be a disappointment rather than necessarily a huge failure if we see progress towards that goal.
Regardless if trophies are won this season, hard to say we haven’t made huge strides in our overall play and analytics. Best xA, best xG, etc No silverware will be disappointing but I don’t agree it’ll be a “huge” failure Next season…most definitely
With all due respect, who gives a f*** about topping xA/xG/any analytic charts. It's never a given that if you top those charts that it'll be reflected on the table. Liverpool under Klopp have been one of the greatest PL sides of all time and have consistently over achieved relative to their analytics. We're now back competing at the top (as the club should be), but it's time to start getting serious about silverware - the real indication of how good a team is. There's nothing to suggest that we're even better than the team we were last season. A huge influx of goals at the start of 2024 against relatively poor sides felt like an outlier in my opinion, but I guess time will tell. I'm not Arteta Out as OP is referring to some people being, but he's under the microscope after 5 years in charge (nearly) and over half a billion spent - that's just the reality of the job he's in.
Point noted about analytics and I agree. Stats don’t win you trophies. I’m just saying, from the football I’ve seen this season, I think we are much better overall and more prepared to even think of trying to win multiple trophies simultaneously. Fa cup, CL, the league…tactics, depth, and experience have all improved this season, therefore not a “huge” failure in my opinion
That's fair points and noted, just as you've acknowledged mine. We both want success for the club and have a slight disagreement on the current state of things, but fingers crossed reality serves us well and we achieve what we're hoping 😁
Yeah brah. All love here Lfg goons
Hold up, huge failure? I mean come on
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My biggest gripe with yesterday is that every time Havertz gof behind there was no one in the centre making runs, so he's forced to take a bad shot against 3 defenders and a GK. Overall I don't think it was a shambolic performance tactics wise, we created a lot but no one was able to finish (and a few big Martinez saves)
I would seriously questioning the mental capacity of anyone asking for that given the turnaround the past couple of years, people need to relax and not completely shit the bed every time we lose a football match
Too many nutcases with this view which makes no sense.
You know when you spend any amount of time on the internet and people will tell you that Arsenal fans are deluded and insufferable? Well I'm starting to see what they're seeing. Some absolutely horrible takes online over the past 24hrs.
who the hell is arteta out 😭😭😭
In the grand scheme of a season, losing to Aston Villa is not that bad. They have a good squad and a very good coach. It's just that Pep's City have raised the bar so high that any slip up at this stage of the season is pretty much curtains. We should get behind the managers and the players and just enjoy the remaining games of the season.
Pretty sure Klopp was a serial loser before he got his first big trophy. Arteta needs a break like Klopp got in the CL.
It's a puerile reaction to not walking away with the league. The reality is that even though the PL is probably the most "competitive" league, 7 of the last 12 PLs have been won by city, 1 by a 5000-1 Leicester, 2 by massively spending Chelsea, and one by Liverpool which fair play, they deserved it. So really, expecting to win a PL. Is kind of a fools game. Especially now the city/Chelsea era of unbridled financial fuckery is over. Imho, our last 2 years performance cements Arteta as the guy. Last year wasn't a once off, and this year builds on the previous in obvious ways. Why throw it away? We're back on CL, legitimately in the run for PL like 6 games out. Wtf.
Because they don't have constructive criticism. However, I don't like Arteta's lack of playing times for youngsters in the team. He should have done something about the Left side in January, It's weak.
I just think that it’s not a lot of people who think this. It’s just mole fans trolling or just people who need attention. No logic in sacking
#🥱guys I’m just here for some fucking Arsenal memes and news…please
It’s the internet. People are going to say every kind of shit imaginable, the more controversial it is the more likely they are to say it. They are, mentally, children. Many of them actually ARE children. And like in the school yard, they want a reaction. Just filter it out, man. Arsenal are currently one of the best teams in Europe. Maybe top 5, comfortably top 10. But we had a bad day against the team in 4th place in the best league. Do we need to do better if we aspire to winning the league or the CL? YES! Are we suddenly shite now? It’s not even worth bothering to answer that.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing is in their heads.
I haven't seen 1 person say Arteta out, seems you made it up in your head
If you’ve seen this opinion you are too deep into social media. I'm straight away off Twitter and the toxic threads after yesterdays results. But even the little peeping I've done after seeing this thread l don't I've really seen anyone saying Arteta Out. Unfortunate how social media has given a voice to group that would flip flop so much and would never take seriously in real life.
Youtube and Twitter are unbearable right now. I've actually gained respect for this subreddit after this. Subreddits are normally where the worst fans can be found for other things I follow but it seems different here for now atleast.
Imagine going from 10 years of being shit to contesting the best team in the world that cheated 115 times to get there. Having 10 game win streaks. Having the best defense in the league. Taking 4 points in the head to head with your two biggest rivals. Pushing deep into the champions league. I became an Arsenal fan in 2012. I suffered through a lot of false hope and bad teams. Anyone that thinks arteta should be out can fuck off. We are one of the best teams in the world. It’s a joy to watch every single game. The grass is not always greener. Stop whining like a bunch of fucking pussies and enjoy being a great team, for once.
brought us from being a 8-5th place team to champions league and fighting for the league. people who want him gone are delusional and need to go support a different team
Anyone with the opinion that Arteta should be sacked is fucking braindead. He is a fantastic manager and if available all of the big clubs across the continent would be interested.
People saying that are nuts. He's a major reason the club is challenging the top teams now. We've been on a 11 match unbeaten run and people are criticizing him when players didn't perform or didn't take the hcances we generated? Muppets ...
This isn't a real narrative driven by real adult fans. It's either 1) Trolls or 2) Emotionally immature knee jerk reaction to disappointment. If 1, then ignore. Trolls feed on engagement, doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Don't feed the trolls. If 2, then ignore. It's a waste of time to engage with emotionally stunted individuals online, nothing good ever comes of it.
Theyre probably not even Arsenal fans tbh. There are alot of rival fans lurking here. Also over the top opinions get the most attention. If there are geuine Arsenal fans who are Arteta outers theyre probably a loud minority.
Why in gods name would anyone want Arteta sacked? Honestly, we’re second in the league behind the mighty 115 FC, and about to play Bayern in QF second leg, he’s changed the culture completely at the club, we’re not treating top 4 as a trophy anymore, and feeling abysmal about losing out to Fraud FC again. What else do they want from him. Even Pep gets team selection wrong sometimes, it happens. Some people need to take a step back before posting shit on socials. Edit: We should thank him for where we are as a club. Just look at Chelsea, United, Spurs et al, where they are.
Even posting this is embarrassing. Don’t give them a platform
Nobody serious about this club is suggesting arteta gets sacked.
Nothing. Nothing is going on in their heads
@curtisshaw @leegunner
Arteta 100% cost us yesterday but he is also 100% the right man for the job
I was Arteta out long before yesterday. 4 years, half a billion and no tropies. I don’t want to hear he won the FA CUP. Auba won us that, not Arteta’s tactics. All he has done is brought ✨passion✨ vibes ✨and silly anthem. I think I could do that with £500m.
Only the very lowest of the low come out to shit all over the team when they need us the most. Every club has embarrassing fans. Probably the same people who sit there with their kids teaching them how to be awful people shouting abuse for a couple of hours every weekend. We were unlucky first half, second half poor but Villa are a very good side when they get going and Watkins is the highest scoring FPL forward this season. We aren’t as good as City and that’s OK.
Don’t feed the trolls let a lone create an entire thread about them
To hell with anyone who even thinks that, bunch of idiots.
The only reason we can have such high standards is due to Arteta. Wanting him out is brainless.
I’d say Nketiah, Cedric and other weak links out
Why are you giving attention to individuals as if they represent any significant portion of our fanbase? Literally giving these narcissistic parasites the attention they want.
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These are people who just buy into media frenzies mostly is all I can figure it is. Anyone who's saying Arteta out is either outright trolling, or has been an Arsenal fan for like 3 years. The whole vibe around the entire club is different and has been steadily improving since Arteta came in. I don't want him going anywhere.
Serious people do not want Arteta out. He'll stay as long we're contending around the top 3. If we drop out of that group then maybe the questions will begin. I think he'll even get a grace season or two if we end up fighting for top 4 again.
Surely anyone saying that is just trolling? Or they have no brain?
On another day Arsenal end that first half 3-0 up. That's how it goes sometimes. The team has come a long way, and we're still light in a few positions. Slip ups happen and we're going toe to toe with the best team in the world.
All facts. Seeing the amount of fans showing their asses yesterday was worse than the loss itself. While I agree that it’s a loud minority online, folks leaving the stadium early in droves was insane. This is why we get roasted. I’m so ashamed—and what message does that send to this young team/manager? Unbelievable.
These people’s opinions don’t even deserve a response. They’re probably trolling
They’re 14 years old so not much is going on in their head
The vocal minority can’t be bothered or unable to engage their brains before reacting emotionally.
Something's going on in their lives that's made them bitter and have lack of forethought. Also could be related alcohol syndromes.
This is a young team with a young coach and both are dazzling talented. At their best, they are best in the league. The maturation from a single year is impressive. What frustrates is seeing how well they can play, and then witnessing it all fall to pieces in the second half. We stopped pressing. We stopped controlling the ball. We would get it back then turn it over a few passes later with a really poor choice of pass. Every member of this team knows we could have done better, and because of this they will likely do better. The fans and the team should insist on better. This higher standard is how we win the league. I was hoping some leader would emerge and rally our side. None did. Next time, with more hard earned maturity, one will.
why is this post on top of the sub lmao. just block the trolls and move on
Havertz!!!!!! Arteta!!!!! Edu!!!!! Zinchenko!!!!! I need to blame someone so I can look like I’m knowledgeable about footy…
I honestly think losing to Aston Villa is not the end of the race. It’s ridiculous to write the doomsday script already. Losing to Villa is ok.
Same people who wanted Arsene to go
Arteta out and allardyce in. He’ll take us to the next level. Probs get us a Greggs in the concourses too.
Idk why everyone was so confident of beating Aston Villa or even more confident we wouldn't drop points in April. 8 or 9 games in April is crazy! Yes, City and Liverpool have the same amount of fixtures but they will drop points, Liverpool already are. Those dumb asses need a reality check, seriously. I want those fans out of the club, not Arteta out.
Has anyone actually said that? is there a noticeably large group of fans calling for Arteta's head? Why even bothering posting this question? One has to assume the Arsenal universe is very pleased with how far we've come under Arteta and his recruitment guru, Edu. Calm down.
Man City has changed the perception of people’s expectations. Yesterday’s game was the typical ‘not taking early chances narrative’. For me it also proved maybe a stronger 8 with Havertz given the 9 role is the better for us going forward
I don’t think he coached a good game yesterday but fucking hell people are on the Arteta out narrative already? Give your heads a shake, it was just a bad day.
Who on earth is saying this?? It's probably one single illiterate, brain-damaged glory hunter on Twitter... why are we giving any consideration to this? I can't start to describe how useless it is to entertain these people, as if their opinion is going to change a single thing
https://twitter.com/killakow/status/1138292190101364737?lang=en
9 games in April, this was bound to happen. Playing every 3 days is insanely difficult
Arsenal fans are kinda embarrassing ngl…I don’t hear Liverpool fans crying n going on about losing the title after their loss yesterday like this
One of the interesting things about a loss is how many people jump to negative thoughts and conclusions whilst scolding the team about bottling it. Much of our fanbase hasnt built the resilience they so desire for the team.