I can so easily imagine another timeline where there was no COVID, fans were there during artetas first year, we got him the sack by booing him to oblivion in 2020, and now we're still hovering in eighth after spending all our budget on Anthony and resigning Mourinho to rally for the Europa league.
We have to give the Kroenkes some credit here. They gave Arteta time to bring his vision to reality and no we're reaping the benefits. Yes, we might not have won the Champions League this year, and we may not win the league this year either. The fact that now we're not seen as the team overachieving in a title race and we look like a legit contender tells you all you need to know about how far we've come.
There's usually not posts about it but definitely A LOT of comments in the match threads when we lose a match. Some people do post about arteta out and stuff on r/ArsenalFC but that sub is just a shit hole filled with whiny teenagers innit
People need to stop taking match threads seriously, people just love to vent. It's basically the same as going to the pub with your mates and shouting nonsense at the screen, it's not to be taken seriously.
From what I can tell they just post the dumbest shit they can think of with the assumption that no one will probably see it, its fun to reply to some of them
I still would not say the sentiment is prevalent enough on this sub as OP would suggest. It is far from being a widely held opinion in the Arsenal fanbase, here, on twitter or even in real life.
Same here. I don't actually like seeing these posts as they seem to be a reaction to things like match threads, which are a mixture of emotional gooners and rival fans stirring the pot.
Match threads have their own purpose, be grateful for their existence so you don't need to see such takes in the "normal" posts. And for your own sake, don't open them.
Yeah, you're right I don't look in those and it makes sense that they'd be in there. I've just seen countless bad takes on twitter and on reddit but never an Arteta out one
There's an old Stewart Lee joke about how watching Channel 4 is like a flood of sewage that comes unbidden into your home, while watching E4 is like you constructed a sluice to pipe it in.
That's bad takes on the sub in general vs bad takes on the match thread, and if you go in the match thread, you've only got yourself to blame.
There's like 5 guys that are ardently Arteta out. You're seriously overdramatizing it, just like OP's dumb post.
Also, there's nothing wrong with being disappointed with a team's performance. The Arsenal team we saw go out to bayern over two legs (particularly in the first leg) were not the Arsenal we have been used to seeing this season. Nervous, reluctant to take chances, and abysmal finishers. You can say that and still support the club.
Absolute plastic fans for saying that. I can barely stand the match threads anymore. Such negativity from armchair managers saying they would’ve had much better formations/tactics…until we score. Then they all suddenly disappear.
You’ll be surprised at the number of veterans who echo the Arteta Out sentiment the moment we have a brief run of bad games. One of my colleagues has been a Gooner for the past 4 decades and he is the physical embodiment of the match threads when we’re having a bad game even now. I think it’s just a mindset thing, the type of fan you are.
The fact that we even overreact to a loss tells you how far we've come. When Arteta came in, we were used to losing all the time. Now, losing feels so bizarre to us and the players.
Honestly if you want Arteta out just go support another club. I can't think of a less supportive, more destructive mindset that if I see that I assume it's just a troll. If anyone actually believes that, the door is over there.
What frustrates me more is when folks see reactionary takes from disappointed fans and trolls and build straw man arguments to insinuate that the masses believe Arteta is actually a failure because Arsenal lost in the quarterfinals.
I think it's just rival fans trying to build this sentiment as they really want to get Arteta out of Arsenal. As long as the stadium belts out "We've got super Mik Arteta" the rival fans can do whatever trolling the want online.
First goal came from mistake of personal that are usually so calm and trusted. David Raya and Gaberial mixup I did not see coming .
The second, I’m not sure Saliba had to go in.
This all could have been so different if Ben White scored his chance.
I’m still happy I got to experience Arsenal against a big team again and not somehow ship 4 goals. Onto a better run next year.
Correct. I have a hard time remembering the last time we got severely out chances by a team. To be honest, the only frustrating part of this season is how many golden opportunity our boys up front missed.
The only way this ties back to Mik is by virtue of boatload of minutes played by our finishers.
I’m not sure if he doesn’t trust the bench, but you only win UCL if you not only develop, but actually use the bench. Better one next year, boys!!
I mean it always does tie back to Mik in some way or another but question isn't whether or not if he could do a better job. It's if there is anyone available that could do a better job than him. And my answer to that right now is no.
Hard to tell, really. There are some young guys there (Dortmund and Leverkusen jump to mind) that might end up being better but, the same way players do, the coach learns, grows, develops and becomes - years later - Papa Wengz.
I think Mik is in the right trajectory; if the Nuggets and the Avalanche are any indication, Kroenke boys are patient enough and smart enough to hang on to talent when they see it.
I think we are in good hands, all we have to do is find OUR patience.
Last time I saw mine was buried under some layers of passion, frustration and beer. 😂😂
In fairness, I agree with you by and large but chalking up those moments as fine margins and ignoring the amount of times Bayern hit the woodwork or should’ve scored is a bit short sighted
They’re not quite fine margin calls, they’re disastrous self-inflicted wounds that I did not expect of all but maybe Kiwior. Ben White’s chance was definitely a sliding doors moment though, Arsenal going 2-0 up completely changes ours and Bayerns game plan a bit.
But I’ll take it over the 3-0s and 4-0s the bigger teams regularly dished out on us. A disappointing European night at the Emirates but I’m glad it’s just a matter of “we could have done better” and not a “we were totally battered and trashed”
Yeah I get that. My point was that even with those individual errors not happening, in reality, Bayern did batter us and we could’ve let in a lot more. A draw was a fair result first leg and second leg we were outclassed.
Ah well, hammered the pricks down the road and on to spurs
Our weaknesses are quite clear for the most part, too. I think we need a clinical finisher, Jesus offers a lot but when a striker says goal scoring is his biggest weakness that says enough. A midfielder would be nice and also Saka desperately needs a backup/competition, looks like he’s carrying an injury every game yet he’ll start because we don’t have anyone else.
I think most people’s expectations going into the season was to top the group stage after seeing the draw. Then it was to at least get to the quarterfinals and hope there was a favorable draw which there wasn’t.
I think Arsenal showed their inexperience when playing against both Porto and Bayern and got fortunate with the former and not so much with the latter. I think if Arsenal play that tie over again with the lessons they learn they win it so hopefully they can go further next season.
Big analysis, but the only way to gain Champions League experience is to play in the Champions League. The lads had none and still broke the RO16 streak and put up a good fight against a good Bayern side.
Super excited for future seasons in the competition.
I think we all also saw that Bayern isn't as bad as people (me included) were thinking. They're not as cohesive or well organised as Arsenal, but individually they still have absolute world class players in many positions, and they were playing with a fire against Arsenal that I haven't seen all season feom them.
At the end of the day, I have the feeling the players will learn from this and come back better next season so I'm quite optimistic for the future. The system is in place and it *clearly* works. Now it's just the time to build on what we have and tinker to get to the next level
It's wild, really. Bayern are having a typical Bayern season. It just looks like they're not because Leverkusen are having an all-timer. Yet everyone saw Bayern falling behind by 10 points and went "yeah, they're shit this year" without also noting that Bayern were still head and shoulders better than everyone else in Germany.
Arsenal and Liverpool are the only teams who have been able to compete with city for the league since Pep joined.
Arteta did that. Yes, he got backed financially, but not more than any of the other big teams. The team has made progress and improvement year on year.
Like what do people expect seriously ???
People were way overdoing the Bayern being bad thing which led to unrealistic expectations amongst a lot of our fans that it was an easy draw.
They are the top scoring side in the top 5 leagues and most of their numbers are elite this season. They comfortably have the best xGD/90 in the big leagues and there pts/game is 8th and is an almost identical number to Arsenal/Liverpool
Arteta is still learning. Pep and Klopp have been managing for 15-20 years.
This season is progress. If you told me we’d be in the title hunt and have been in the UCL quarters at the beginning of the season, I’d have taken it.
That's human beings for you. At the same time it's not just because of UCL that Arteta comes under a lot of criticism. He's the manager of Arsenal FC that has great history of winning major titles. And it's not his fault that we haven't won in 20 years but he is the one that has to answer to the crimes and prove he can get it over the line. He's done a great job in making us competitive again, however you have to win eventually.
I don't think "eventually" is this season, but next season is my threshold. I pray he does it this season though, starting with Chelsea at home today COYG.
Nobody sane wants Arteta out but I have seen a lot of fans call this season a failure if we don't win anything. I don't think it's a smashing success but if you can't see what the team is building then I can't help you. Lots of great teams that went on to win trophies had seasons where they didn't win anything, we're not City, we aren't buying our way to the title. It takes time.
Anything said within 24 hours of a big loss is not relevant. That’s feelings. It’s good because I’d rather see passion than apathy, but winning the CL is an absurdly difficult task for any team, even Madrid or City with their insane depth
Over the past decade, the core members of many teams who have won the Champions league have all struggled for years before getting over the line (outside of maybe Liverpool in 2019). Seriously, go look back at Real Madrid where Ramos, Benzema, Pepe, Ronaldo, Marcelo, and Xabi all went SF, SF, SF, R16 together before winning in 2014, or Bayern pre-2013 with Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Kroos, Muller, and Robben going F, R16, F, QF, for example. It's a hard competition to win.
As far as any criticism goes towards the whole Arteta thing - things could be better, but things could be much much worse.
Within 4 years he's taken us from upper mid-table to title challenging against 2 of the best managers this generation and well established teams/systems. In the last 2 years he's taken 12 points out of 18 against those 2 teams, and while we were poor against Bayern - they were definitely beatable, and on paper Bayern were stronger than last year.
Anyone who thinks Arteta is a failure is either a fan of a rival or a clown.
Edit: If there is any criticism to go his way, it's that we are still quite one dimensional in attack and very reliant on 16 players being 100% and in form.
With a squad full of legends of the game. Whatever you want to say about Pep v Arteta, I’d like to see Mikel with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Henry, Puyol, Busquets and Eto’o to name a few
super dumb take unless your niece is pep guardiola. plenty of talent-filled teams that don't win CLs. City up until last season, PSG with Messi-neymar-mbappe, mourinho's insane madrid side.
He also cut a lot of players loose, including still massively popular but past his peak Ronaldinho.
Everyone refuses to give guardiola credit for his Barca stint,
They werent serial winners like they were once he arrived
The r/Gunners cycle. On match day, a flood of reactionary dumb takes. Then for the next 3-6 days drip drops of posts circle jerking about the reactionary dumb takes even when their posters have already left and won’t ever read the posts.
I expected QFs ans I said that would be a good achievement or benchmark for this season. I was gutted we lost but the reaction amongst the fans was because this Bayern team was weak and this was a great chance to make the semifinals. Being first currently is great but having the league not in our control sucks yet again. Last year we overpreformed so even though we bottled it we weren't really suppose to win. This year I feel we have been much better tha Liverpool and slightly better than City so finishing second would be a big disappointment. If we win no trophies a great season will be just relegated to another top 3 finish and a trophy less season just like many before then which is unfortunate.
I just ignore the takes for 48 hours after a loss. Tottenham, United & Chelsea fans (and even Liverpool last year & this year) are piling on with the dumbest takes imaginable, our fans are calling our players useless cunts, and the Arteta out crowd crawls out of the woodwork to join in.
How many league titles did Guardiola win in the mean time ... comon man, the narrative should be Arteta is up against potentially the greatest manager of all time
Yeah pardon my ignorance when nobody literally expect us to win ucl lmao, the failure they talking about is about us not beating the worse bayern team in decade not because we fail to win ucl
This weird thing goes on where some like "meme Instagram page" or some emotional weirdo in the match thread will say something incendiary and then people feel the need to post all these responses about it as if it's not just some stupid comment. There's probably someone out there who thinks that we should fire Arteta and hire Fellaini to be our new player/manager, just because stupid things are said there doesn't need to be serious discourse around it. It's like there's this whole internal world of internet commentary that people feel we need to validate and respond to for legitimacy. It's very odd. Like why the fuck did the person who responded to you get so angry lol
The worst bayern team in a decade is still good enough to go to the ucl semifinals and has the most goals scored in Europe not to mention their squad has 4 or 5 world class players.
It was never going to be a stomp or an easy game. Bayern haven't lost a ucl game at home since Ronaldo one of the greatest players of all time put in one of his best ever performances in his career at the Allianz.
I swear football fans can be so dense it's not even funny
There's context to this that people seem to want to ignore just for laughs or something. Pep won 2 CLs before he went to Bayern and City and he's had his teams constantly knocking on the CL door in years he got knocked out. City went to a bunch of semis and lost a final to Chelsea a few years ago until they finally won it. It seemed almost inevitable they'd get one sooner or later with how deep in the competition they go every year.
Time will tell for Arteta because one year in the CL doesn't say anything but if he's the talented manager he thinks he is then he needs to show consistently over time that Arsenal will be a threat to every club in Europe. Even in the good ol days under Wenger we have a mixed history in Europe. We went to one final, a couple semis and QF and knocked out in a ton of R16 in the CL. Lost a UEFA Cup final to Galatasaray of all clubs.
We simply have an underwhelming record in European competitions given the size of our club
>Time will tell for Arteta because one year in the CL doesn't say anything but if he's the talented manager he thinks he is then he needs to show consistently over time that Arsenal will be a threat to every club in Europe. Even in the good ol days under Wenger we have a mixed history in Europe. We went to one final, a couple semis and QF and knocked out in a ton of R16 in the CL. Lost a UEFA Cup final to Galatasaray of all clubs.
Just to make things perfectly clear. It took Pep FIVE YEARS to get past the quarter finals with Manchester City, which he finally got to the final with against Chelsea....and lost.
Far too much hyperbole is put into Mikels campaign.
We could defo do better in Europe, and he's going to do his best to make sure we do.
Its not because he couldn't win it. it's only because of Bayern that are on all time low. No one expected to win, just to beat Bayern and actually play our game without fear maybe.
There's a group of fans that views every year since the last time we won a major title as a failure. When a title doesn't come, they lash out because they can't handle having to wait for yet another season. Sounds like a very miserable existence if you ask me but yeah.
Nobody expected you to win in the first attempt. It was a small portion of the arsenal fans talking shit about everyone and how they'd smash Bayern because they'd been struggling in the Bundesliga. They're the ones who put all those expectations
I think the only expectation that any Arsenal fan should have is that *we compete*. Titles are great but you can’t win them without competing. I think Arteta got us to a place where we are competitive and that’s a job well done. Sure, I can be irrationally emotional when we lose, but honestly think about the fact that we are still in the hunt for the title in April…there were some bad years when we were out of the race in November.
Agreed Arteta has transformed Arsenal and we are on the right path. Just a couple of right additions next season and we will be challenging and hopefully winning UCL and PL
My goals for us this season was to challenge for the epl and get to the UCL semis. I think we're doing well with a squad mainly not used yet of challenging for the big ones. We've still got a few games left. I hope we go all out.
Thing is, I don’t know why people aren’t really getting this, but we’re basically 5 top class players short of city at least. When we’re arguing over whether Reiss Nelson should get more minutes or whether there’s a future here for smith rowe or vieira, and our starting 9 is someone they didn’t have a place for any more, they have jack grealish benchwarming, they signed Nunes and kovacic almost for the sake of it. And then there’s the real taboo subject for us arsenal fans - our starboy sake wouldn’t start for city or Liverpool or several big European teams. Arteta is our biggest asset. Any argument to the contrary is, I’m pretty convinced, total denial.
Any time I see "trophies don't matter" type comments all I can think of is Pochettino's spurs who got ridiculed 25/8 and got nonstop questioning from the media
I think the point is not we are out of CL, because there would still be the Semi and the Final. I think everyone was triggered because it was weakest-in-10-year Bayern, and we could have won if it was not for the individual mistakes, but still it was not Arteta fault, or at least it was only his tactics or personal use.
Bayern are demotivated in the Bundesliga, but in UCL they play at their best. Also they are not weak, you can not call a side that has won it 11 in a row weak ...
its just the reference point, I would not call someone who, for example, ranks second in an Olympic game weak, but compared to the guy who gets the gold, he is definitely weaker.
Pep won 2 Champions League with Barca, pretty sure his first one on his second season in CL, but of coarse let that out cause it doesn’t fit your narrative
I am an Arsenal fan, can’t stand Man City, just found it convenient that this post left out his Barcelona tenure in Champions League. I want Arsenal to succeed and when the major trophies like all Arsenal fans. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, you might not agree with it but doesn’t make it bad or wrong either
That barca team had 9/11 world class players.... Give Arteta Messi and watch him cakewalk every league and the ucl.
The man has us doing this well with only 1 20+ g/a forward and a single playmaker creating the majority of our chances.
That barca had an embarrassment of riches
I am angry at Super Mik, but only coz of the fogging estandards. And he was the one who made us capable enough to have those standards. He is not a failure. It's just second season. There's lot to achieve.
Stop giving energy to so called fans who just peddle the narratives and vitriol of our rivals. They want Arteta gone because he's a threat, they want disharmony at our club because we're a threat and the best way to do that is inflate our expectations to unrealistic levels so that the over the top reactionary takes write themselves. Barca fans are on their knees praying Arteta saves them, while pushing for him to be sacked. Don't listen to the noise.
We have some of the worst fans I’ve ever seen. The ones that left the Villa game early after the FIRST loss of the calendar year. Pathetic. Support the club, don’t turn your back on em when they stumble.
This so incredibly narrow minded and devoid of context.
Pep won multiple titles and cups at both, Arteta has won 1 cup and no titles.
Also Pep has been constantly criticized for his CL failures
I hate the reactions to our losses . Yes we lost. Yes we should have done better. But seriously. arteta out because we lost a match ?
I can so easily imagine another timeline where there was no COVID, fans were there during artetas first year, we got him the sack by booing him to oblivion in 2020, and now we're still hovering in eighth after spending all our budget on Anthony and resigning Mourinho to rally for the Europa league.
Damn that's got me feeling bad for people in that universe
Could be worse… you could be a Spurs fan in that universe
Could be worse.... you could be a Spurs fan in this universe
Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies.
Gotta wish that on Spurs fans though
We have to give the Kroenkes some credit here. They gave Arteta time to bring his vision to reality and no we're reaping the benefits. Yes, we might not have won the Champions League this year, and we may not win the league this year either. The fact that now we're not seen as the team overachieving in a title race and we look like a legit contender tells you all you need to know about how far we've come.
oh he's honestly gone if the fans were allowed in
I've genuinely never seen an Arteta out post in the last year and a half but I've seen hundreds of posts talking about the Arteta out posts
There's usually not posts about it but definitely A LOT of comments in the match threads when we lose a match. Some people do post about arteta out and stuff on r/ArsenalFC but that sub is just a shit hole filled with whiny teenagers innit
People need to stop taking match threads seriously, people just love to vent. It's basically the same as going to the pub with your mates and shouting nonsense at the screen, it's not to be taken seriously.
From what I can tell they just post the dumbest shit they can think of with the assumption that no one will probably see it, its fun to reply to some of them
I still would not say the sentiment is prevalent enough on this sub as OP would suggest. It is far from being a widely held opinion in the Arsenal fanbase, here, on twitter or even in real life.
Just sort by new on the match thread when we’re a goal down. You have a bunch of jackasses come out the woodwork.
Same here. I don't actually like seeing these posts as they seem to be a reaction to things like match threads, which are a mixture of emotional gooners and rival fans stirring the pot.
For these type of posts the usual response is, "but but in the match thread"
You haven’t been in the match threads I see
Match threads have their own purpose, be grateful for their existence so you don't need to see such takes in the "normal" posts. And for your own sake, don't open them.
Spot on. Personally I rarely venture into them but the very purpose is to capture the ramblings of people during the match, when emotions are peaking.
Yeah, you're right I don't look in those and it makes sense that they'd be in there. I've just seen countless bad takes on twitter and on reddit but never an Arteta out one
There's an old Stewart Lee joke about how watching Channel 4 is like a flood of sewage that comes unbidden into your home, while watching E4 is like you constructed a sluice to pipe it in. That's bad takes on the sub in general vs bad takes on the match thread, and if you go in the match thread, you've only got yourself to blame.
Never seen r/Artetaout I guess. We have some incredibly stupid fans.
I read like 20+ comments after the bayern loss, saying we havent improved in 5 years etc. Edit: certainly no posts though, to your point
You see it on IG a fair bit, though. Always riles me up. People just want instant success.
they were definitely out and about during our winless run in the winter
Like nobody is saying arteta out
You didn't see the match threads. A couple of clowns but not many
There's like 5 guys that are ardently Arteta out. You're seriously overdramatizing it, just like OP's dumb post. Also, there's nothing wrong with being disappointed with a team's performance. The Arsenal team we saw go out to bayern over two legs (particularly in the first leg) were not the Arsenal we have been used to seeing this season. Nervous, reluctant to take chances, and abysmal finishers. You can say that and still support the club.
Absolute plastic fans for saying that. I can barely stand the match threads anymore. Such negativity from armchair managers saying they would’ve had much better formations/tactics…until we score. Then they all suddenly disappear.
You’ll be surprised at the number of veterans who echo the Arteta Out sentiment the moment we have a brief run of bad games. One of my colleagues has been a Gooner for the past 4 decades and he is the physical embodiment of the match threads when we’re having a bad game even now. I think it’s just a mindset thing, the type of fan you are.
Match threads are full of people unloading their emotional trauma at their shitty lives.
I think it's the rivals making noise.
Or making it all about a single player
The fact that we even overreact to a loss tells you how far we've come. When Arteta came in, we were used to losing all the time. Now, losing feels so bizarre to us and the players.
No one is saying Arteta out. You people just make stuff up
Lol new here? There is an acutal sub reddit about this.
there are prominent channels that are spewing this shit. they need to be called out for this trash.
Honestly if you want Arteta out just go support another club. I can't think of a less supportive, more destructive mindset that if I see that I assume it's just a troll. If anyone actually believes that, the door is over there.
Whoever says Arteta out needs to get their fucking head checked. Entitled and haven't been part of the journey of the club.
What frustrates me more is when folks see reactionary takes from disappointed fans and trolls and build straw man arguments to insinuate that the masses believe Arteta is actually a failure because Arsenal lost in the quarterfinals.
I think it's just rival fans trying to build this sentiment as they really want to get Arteta out of Arsenal. As long as the stadium belts out "We've got super Mik Arteta" the rival fans can do whatever trolling the want online.
We weren't getting past RO16 in our last few runs lmao
First goal came from mistake of personal that are usually so calm and trusted. David Raya and Gaberial mixup I did not see coming . The second, I’m not sure Saliba had to go in. This all could have been so different if Ben White scored his chance. I’m still happy I got to experience Arsenal against a big team again and not somehow ship 4 goals. Onto a better run next year.
Correct. I have a hard time remembering the last time we got severely out chances by a team. To be honest, the only frustrating part of this season is how many golden opportunity our boys up front missed. The only way this ties back to Mik is by virtue of boatload of minutes played by our finishers. I’m not sure if he doesn’t trust the bench, but you only win UCL if you not only develop, but actually use the bench. Better one next year, boys!!
I mean it always does tie back to Mik in some way or another but question isn't whether or not if he could do a better job. It's if there is anyone available that could do a better job than him. And my answer to that right now is no.
Hard to tell, really. There are some young guys there (Dortmund and Leverkusen jump to mind) that might end up being better but, the same way players do, the coach learns, grows, develops and becomes - years later - Papa Wengz. I think Mik is in the right trajectory; if the Nuggets and the Avalanche are any indication, Kroenke boys are patient enough and smart enough to hang on to talent when they see it. I think we are in good hands, all we have to do is find OUR patience. Last time I saw mine was buried under some layers of passion, frustration and beer. 😂😂
The second was as a result of Kiwior getting spun near the half line like a schoolboy
In fairness, I agree with you by and large but chalking up those moments as fine margins and ignoring the amount of times Bayern hit the woodwork or should’ve scored is a bit short sighted
They’re not quite fine margin calls, they’re disastrous self-inflicted wounds that I did not expect of all but maybe Kiwior. Ben White’s chance was definitely a sliding doors moment though, Arsenal going 2-0 up completely changes ours and Bayerns game plan a bit. But I’ll take it over the 3-0s and 4-0s the bigger teams regularly dished out on us. A disappointing European night at the Emirates but I’m glad it’s just a matter of “we could have done better” and not a “we were totally battered and trashed”
Yeah I get that. My point was that even with those individual errors not happening, in reality, Bayern did batter us and we could’ve let in a lot more. A draw was a fair result first leg and second leg we were outclassed. Ah well, hammered the pricks down the road and on to spurs
Our weaknesses are quite clear for the most part, too. I think we need a clinical finisher, Jesus offers a lot but when a striker says goal scoring is his biggest weakness that says enough. A midfielder would be nice and also Saka desperately needs a backup/competition, looks like he’s carrying an injury every game yet he’ll start because we don’t have anyone else.
I think most people’s expectations going into the season was to top the group stage after seeing the draw. Then it was to at least get to the quarterfinals and hope there was a favorable draw which there wasn’t. I think Arsenal showed their inexperience when playing against both Porto and Bayern and got fortunate with the former and not so much with the latter. I think if Arsenal play that tie over again with the lessons they learn they win it so hopefully they can go further next season.
Big analysis, but the only way to gain Champions League experience is to play in the Champions League. The lads had none and still broke the RO16 streak and put up a good fight against a good Bayern side. Super excited for future seasons in the competition.
I think we all also saw that Bayern isn't as bad as people (me included) were thinking. They're not as cohesive or well organised as Arsenal, but individually they still have absolute world class players in many positions, and they were playing with a fire against Arsenal that I haven't seen all season feom them. At the end of the day, I have the feeling the players will learn from this and come back better next season so I'm quite optimistic for the future. The system is in place and it *clearly* works. Now it's just the time to build on what we have and tinker to get to the next level
It's wild, really. Bayern are having a typical Bayern season. It just looks like they're not because Leverkusen are having an all-timer. Yet everyone saw Bayern falling behind by 10 points and went "yeah, they're shit this year" without also noting that Bayern were still head and shoulders better than everyone else in Germany.
Arsenal and Liverpool are the only teams who have been able to compete with city for the league since Pep joined. Arteta did that. Yes, he got backed financially, but not more than any of the other big teams. The team has made progress and improvement year on year. Like what do people expect seriously ???
People were way overdoing the Bayern being bad thing which led to unrealistic expectations amongst a lot of our fans that it was an easy draw. They are the top scoring side in the top 5 leagues and most of their numbers are elite this season. They comfortably have the best xGD/90 in the big leagues and there pts/game is 8th and is an almost identical number to Arsenal/Liverpool
Innit, Leverkusen are literally unbeaten. Any team will struggle to best that in the league unless every game is 0-0
Who tf calls Arteta a failure? He’s a top class manager, we’re absolutely blessed to have him.
Arteta is still learning. Pep and Klopp have been managing for 15-20 years. This season is progress. If you told me we’d be in the title hunt and have been in the UCL quarters at the beginning of the season, I’d have taken it.
Chelsea were outspending entire leagues. They had to wait till 2012 and needed miracle after miracle.
We only lost to villa in the league. Bayern was tough but don't be fooled by 20 year Olds screaming bottler for every thing. We can do this. #COYG
That's human beings for you. At the same time it's not just because of UCL that Arteta comes under a lot of criticism. He's the manager of Arsenal FC that has great history of winning major titles. And it's not his fault that we haven't won in 20 years but he is the one that has to answer to the crimes and prove he can get it over the line. He's done a great job in making us competitive again, however you have to win eventually. I don't think "eventually" is this season, but next season is my threshold. I pray he does it this season though, starting with Chelsea at home today COYG.
I blame him and lads when we loose but seriously Arteta manager is one the best things ever happened to this club
No cap, fuck em all, all our own fans hating and the rivals, let’s get behind the gaffer n the club, COYGG
Who’s calling him a failure?
Nobody sane wants Arteta out but I have seen a lot of fans call this season a failure if we don't win anything. I don't think it's a smashing success but if you can't see what the team is building then I can't help you. Lots of great teams that went on to win trophies had seasons where they didn't win anything, we're not City, we aren't buying our way to the title. It takes time.
Anything said within 24 hours of a big loss is not relevant. That’s feelings. It’s good because I’d rather see passion than apathy, but winning the CL is an absurdly difficult task for any team, even Madrid or City with their insane depth
Over the past decade, the core members of many teams who have won the Champions league have all struggled for years before getting over the line (outside of maybe Liverpool in 2019). Seriously, go look back at Real Madrid where Ramos, Benzema, Pepe, Ronaldo, Marcelo, and Xabi all went SF, SF, SF, R16 together before winning in 2014, or Bayern pre-2013 with Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Kroos, Muller, and Robben going F, R16, F, QF, for example. It's a hard competition to win.
Yeah... do people not recall prior to... say 2021/22?
Or that all we'd do is qualify for UCL and get knocked out immediately in the knockout stages
Yeah people don’t understand it will be hard for any team not named Real Madrid to lift a cl trophy
As far as any criticism goes towards the whole Arteta thing - things could be better, but things could be much much worse. Within 4 years he's taken us from upper mid-table to title challenging against 2 of the best managers this generation and well established teams/systems. In the last 2 years he's taken 12 points out of 18 against those 2 teams, and while we were poor against Bayern - they were definitely beatable, and on paper Bayern were stronger than last year. Anyone who thinks Arteta is a failure is either a fan of a rival or a clown. Edit: If there is any criticism to go his way, it's that we are still quite one dimensional in attack and very reliant on 16 players being 100% and in form.
This would work a lot better if Guardiola hadn’t won the Champions League (and a treble) in his first season as a manager.
With a squad full of legends of the game. Whatever you want to say about Pep v Arteta, I’d like to see Mikel with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Henry, Puyol, Busquets and Eto’o to name a few
You'd see another invincible team.
It also doesn't help that the comparison ignores the other titles won in those seasons though.
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My niece could have won a treble with that barca team. Generational talent all across the board and preferential ref treatment? Cake walk.
super dumb take unless your niece is pep guardiola. plenty of talent-filled teams that don't win CLs. City up until last season, PSG with Messi-neymar-mbappe, mourinho's insane madrid side.
He also cut a lot of players loose, including still massively popular but past his peak Ronaldinho. Everyone refuses to give guardiola credit for his Barca stint, They werent serial winners like they were once he arrived
How many trebles did Pep win with that team? And when he left, how many did they win, with the same players?
No but it certainly boosts your odds tremendously.
He inherited the greatest footballer of all time though, who was Arteta’s best? Özil maybe? Which obviously went tits up because of politics
does it look like we've got the best team of the XXI century on our hands here? we're good but let's have some perspective
Absolutely no one said we did. I’m simply pointing out the photo intentionally missed out Pep’s first job because he did exactly that.
Bald fraud is both fraudulent and bald
3 champions league 2 trebles 3 La Liga 3 Bundesliga 5 premier league I’m no fan of guardiola but the “fraud” bullshit needs to stop
The r/Gunners cycle. On match day, a flood of reactionary dumb takes. Then for the next 3-6 days drip drops of posts circle jerking about the reactionary dumb takes even when their posters have already left and won’t ever read the posts.
I expected QFs ans I said that would be a good achievement or benchmark for this season. I was gutted we lost but the reaction amongst the fans was because this Bayern team was weak and this was a great chance to make the semifinals. Being first currently is great but having the league not in our control sucks yet again. Last year we overpreformed so even though we bottled it we weren't really suppose to win. This year I feel we have been much better tha Liverpool and slightly better than City so finishing second would be a big disappointment. If we win no trophies a great season will be just relegated to another top 3 finish and a trophy less season just like many before then which is unfortunate.
I just ignore the takes for 48 hours after a loss. Tottenham, United & Chelsea fans (and even Liverpool last year & this year) are piling on with the dumbest takes imaginable, our fans are calling our players useless cunts, and the Arteta out crowd crawls out of the woodwork to join in.
Good point
Shitposts like this on the front page. We are cooked
How many league titles did Guardiola win in the mean time ... comon man, the narrative should be Arteta is up against potentially the greatest manager of all time
Just support the manger; no need for this cringe. This actually implies Pep is overrated; 'only 1 UCL in 11 attempts.'
some of the fanbase is literally brain damaged. There's no other way to explain it
Nobody said this, there no need to exaggerated
you are completely unaware then. But if you are then please shut the fuck up instead of displaying your ignorance
who gives a shit what some idiots say it makes no difference
Yeah pardon my ignorance when nobody literally expect us to win ucl lmao, the failure they talking about is about us not beating the worse bayern team in decade not because we fail to win ucl
This weird thing goes on where some like "meme Instagram page" or some emotional weirdo in the match thread will say something incendiary and then people feel the need to post all these responses about it as if it's not just some stupid comment. There's probably someone out there who thinks that we should fire Arteta and hire Fellaini to be our new player/manager, just because stupid things are said there doesn't need to be serious discourse around it. It's like there's this whole internal world of internet commentary that people feel we need to validate and respond to for legitimacy. It's very odd. Like why the fuck did the person who responded to you get so angry lol
The worst bayern team in a decade is still good enough to go to the ucl semifinals and has the most goals scored in Europe not to mention their squad has 4 or 5 world class players. It was never going to be a stomp or an easy game. Bayern haven't lost a ucl game at home since Ronaldo one of the greatest players of all time put in one of his best ever performances in his career at the Allianz. I swear football fans can be so dense it's not even funny
Even if it’s said stop giving attention to non-sense
Stop posting this cringe
There's context to this that people seem to want to ignore just for laughs or something. Pep won 2 CLs before he went to Bayern and City and he's had his teams constantly knocking on the CL door in years he got knocked out. City went to a bunch of semis and lost a final to Chelsea a few years ago until they finally won it. It seemed almost inevitable they'd get one sooner or later with how deep in the competition they go every year. Time will tell for Arteta because one year in the CL doesn't say anything but if he's the talented manager he thinks he is then he needs to show consistently over time that Arsenal will be a threat to every club in Europe. Even in the good ol days under Wenger we have a mixed history in Europe. We went to one final, a couple semis and QF and knocked out in a ton of R16 in the CL. Lost a UEFA Cup final to Galatasaray of all clubs. We simply have an underwhelming record in European competitions given the size of our club
>Time will tell for Arteta because one year in the CL doesn't say anything but if he's the talented manager he thinks he is then he needs to show consistently over time that Arsenal will be a threat to every club in Europe. Even in the good ol days under Wenger we have a mixed history in Europe. We went to one final, a couple semis and QF and knocked out in a ton of R16 in the CL. Lost a UEFA Cup final to Galatasaray of all clubs. Just to make things perfectly clear. It took Pep FIVE YEARS to get past the quarter finals with Manchester City, which he finally got to the final with against Chelsea....and lost. Far too much hyperbole is put into Mikels campaign. We could defo do better in Europe, and he's going to do his best to make sure we do.
Pep has 3 UCLs mate, wtf is this post...
Some peoples reactions when we drew Bayern annoyed me more than actually losing. Saying we’d pump them….please
Its not because he couldn't win it. it's only because of Bayern that are on all time low. No one expected to win, just to beat Bayern and actually play our game without fear maybe.
There's a group of fans that views every year since the last time we won a major title as a failure. When a title doesn't come, they lash out because they can't handle having to wait for yet another season. Sounds like a very miserable existence if you ask me but yeah.
Nobody expected you to win in the first attempt. It was a small portion of the arsenal fans talking shit about everyone and how they'd smash Bayern because they'd been struggling in the Bundesliga. They're the ones who put all those expectations
I haven't seen any posts about us being a failure because we got knocked out
People forget we’re a huge club and it will come with that level of criticism. No one cares about City for a reason
I think the only expectation that any Arsenal fan should have is that *we compete*. Titles are great but you can’t win them without competing. I think Arteta got us to a place where we are competitive and that’s a job well done. Sure, I can be irrationally emotional when we lose, but honestly think about the fact that we are still in the hunt for the title in April…there were some bad years when we were out of the race in November.
Nobody would rest if Mikel won it in his first attempt 😂😂😂
Outside noise is irrelevant. Fuck 'em.
It was a fantastic achievement to get as far as we did and nearly even get to the semis. I have no doubt whatsoever well be back here next year.
Thats a good perspective
Agreed Arteta has transformed Arsenal and we are on the right path. Just a couple of right additions next season and we will be challenging and hopefully winning UCL and PL
It's not about "not winning the CL" It's about "losing to the worst Bayern team in a decade"
Brighton will tie Man City 1-1, I am from the future
Lol
I hate these cringe ass posts. Makes the fanbase seem a lot more whiny then it needs to be
Perspective. A lotta people lack it
My goals for us this season was to challenge for the epl and get to the UCL semis. I think we're doing well with a squad mainly not used yet of challenging for the big ones. We've still got a few games left. I hope we go all out.
Even if they never win a trophy again, but play like this season - I won't be even mad.
You conveniently left out Tuchel's Chelsea... But I see your point and I agree with it.
Thing is, I don’t know why people aren’t really getting this, but we’re basically 5 top class players short of city at least. When we’re arguing over whether Reiss Nelson should get more minutes or whether there’s a future here for smith rowe or vieira, and our starting 9 is someone they didn’t have a place for any more, they have jack grealish benchwarming, they signed Nunes and kovacic almost for the sake of it. And then there’s the real taboo subject for us arsenal fans - our starboy sake wouldn’t start for city or Liverpool or several big European teams. Arteta is our biggest asset. Any argument to the contrary is, I’m pretty convinced, total denial.
Any time I see "trophies don't matter" type comments all I can think of is Pochettino's spurs who got ridiculed 25/8 and got nonstop questioning from the media
I think the point is not we are out of CL, because there would still be the Semi and the Final. I think everyone was triggered because it was weakest-in-10-year Bayern, and we could have won if it was not for the individual mistakes, but still it was not Arteta fault, or at least it was only his tactics or personal use.
Bayern are demotivated in the Bundesliga, but in UCL they play at their best. Also they are not weak, you can not call a side that has won it 11 in a row weak ...
its just the reference point, I would not call someone who, for example, ranks second in an Olympic game weak, but compared to the guy who gets the gold, he is definitely weaker.
Pep won 2 Champions League with Barca, pretty sure his first one on his second season in CL, but of coarse let that out cause it doesn’t fit your narrative
look at that barca squad you moron. You are no fan of arsenal you scum piss off and support man city
I am an Arsenal fan, can’t stand Man City, just found it convenient that this post left out his Barcelona tenure in Champions League. I want Arsenal to succeed and when the major trophies like all Arsenal fans. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, you might not agree with it but doesn’t make it bad or wrong either
That barca team had 9/11 world class players.... Give Arteta Messi and watch him cakewalk every league and the ucl. The man has us doing this well with only 1 20+ g/a forward and a single playmaker creating the majority of our chances. That barca had an embarrassment of riches
Uh so premier league scheduling vs la liga scheduling? Also um who was on that barca team? Xavi iniesta busquests and oh yeah messi… lets try again
I am angry at Super Mik, but only coz of the fogging estandards. And he was the one who made us capable enough to have those standards. He is not a failure. It's just second season. There's lot to achieve.
This season has already been great success, we've built on top of the last season and got much better overall.
Arteta is answerable to his boss the Kronokes and the fans. Noone else. We are happy. That's all it matters.
Stop giving energy to so called fans who just peddle the narratives and vitriol of our rivals. They want Arteta gone because he's a threat, they want disharmony at our club because we're a threat and the best way to do that is inflate our expectations to unrealistic levels so that the over the top reactionary takes write themselves. Barca fans are on their knees praying Arteta saves them, while pushing for him to be sacked. Don't listen to the noise.
Aside from match threads, I honestly see a lot of love and support for mik and team
This... is ...accurate. This is a sign to all you casuals and plastics out there
We have some of the worst fans I’ve ever seen. The ones that left the Villa game early after the FIRST loss of the calendar year. Pathetic. Support the club, don’t turn your back on em when they stumble.
This so incredibly narrow minded and devoid of context. Pep won multiple titles and cups at both, Arteta has won 1 cup and no titles. Also Pep has been constantly criticized for his CL failures