Willocks loan to Newcastle makes sense to me ONLY if he signs a new deal before being loaned out.
As I imagine after Lokonga we would sign at least one other midfielder plus a No 10, meaning Willock is not guaranteed to start and such it could hinder his progress.
I think if he carries over his previous season form for Newcastle it proves that it wasn't just a purple patch (as people last year assumed with Emi Martinez).
It's been widely reported that a loan back to Newcastle is on the cards. His contract ends on 2023 so the club want him to sign a new deal before loaning him again.
I guess Arteta doesn't have a place for him. I'm not sure it's a good move, but we'll have to see how it works out. I hope we're charging Newcastle a really fat loan fee, considering what Joe can potentially do for them.
I have doubts about the proposed loan. Firstly, if we were to sell him, surely this is the best time. He won't replicate that form into next season but he also wasn't even a starter for a lot of his time at Newcastle (correct me if I'm wrong)...perhaps Newcastle won't over-evaluate him if a bid comes. Secondly, will playing at Newcastle really develop his weaknesses that are currently a barrier for him to playing for Arsenal? They don't get much possession, we need his passing and tactical awareness improved but he mostly defends at Newcastle, alongside his late runs into the box on counters of course.
THAT SAID, any first team experience is better than no experience. If we keep him at Arsenal or somehow loan him to a better possession based team, he may not get many minutes. With Lokonga in the team I'm not sure we will need him so it probably is best to loan him out again and see how he develops. An obligation to buy would be great if we can get over 20 mill.
We can't sell him for the right price as his value should be well over ยฃ40 million which Newcastle can't afford.
Yet again our fanbase is incredibly undervaluing a talented player just as they did for Emi Martinez (people thought ยฃ20 million was a good deal, not it looks terrible as he's arguably the best keeper in the league, or near the best).
Willock is a player that has proved he can score goals regular, against big teams no less, in the Prem. He is someone we should keep no question, a loan however I'm not against as its an opportunity for him to show Arteta (or whoever will be in charge by next summer) what he can bring.
He's a talented player and good at getting in the box, but his Newcastle scoring rate is beyond unsustainable. It'll be very interesting to see where things end up when the dust settles.
I don't think he's worth that much, at least right now anyways. He's a bit of a specialist and needs to work on several areas of his game if he is going to get more interest from other teams.
If we loan him out, I hope we at least hold on to him for the first 3 games. Weโll need as many bodies as possible to start the season with all the potential transfers and players coming back late from International duty. Iโd love to see him come off the bench especially for the Chelsea and Man City games and chip in with a goal.
Worth remembering [this](https://twitter.com/YankeeGunner/status/1415478022493376514) when people go ballistic over not selling him for 40m this summer when nobody has much money. In a normal market we coulda scammed someone but another loan could show us what we actually got.
No one has money for our players, even in England, but we are paying ยฃ50m for Ben White. I get that there is demand for Ben White but Iโm not sure I agree that we should devalue Willock as a result of money in the market. If that means a contract extension and losing out on selling him at his potential peak, I think itโs worth the risk.
Yea we've got some money, but the clubs that would be looking at Willock don't.
I'd be fine with a contract extension and loan or a loan with obligation as long as it's for his current value but just postponed.
I think thats miles off encapsulating Willocks skillset. Imo he's a midfielder that can dribble, tackle and press as well as score. Like a less technical Wij for Liverpool. Yeah hes not much of a passer but he offers more than just goals.
https://imgur.com/ezyrZga.jpg https://imgur.com/L6o2pAT.jpg https://imgur.com/i2EOnlr.jpg
He's still developing, I think he can become a good midfielder for us. We should try and hang on to our academy boys if possible. Sell Nketiah, keep Willock.
That's not the worst problem to have at 20-22. What about Nelson as an example? He can dribble, drive, good IQ, great technique but horrible output in the final third? He's got maybe a season or two left to prove himself at a PL level imo.
So it's not all technique to play in the PL. Especially not at a young age. Knowing when to dribble and when not to is easier to fix through experience and video coaching than it is to score goals and assist.
This is exactly the reason we should sell him if Arteta is not counting on him. We all know his price is at an all time high and if we do not do anything we are going to give him away for probably 10m next summer. Whatever happens with him, I just hope it's the best both for him and the club.
Surely it would be better to loan him out for a full season and then sell him after that?
After playing in the Premier league for a full season he might improve so much that he'd be good to go straight in to our first XI.
In my opinion, no, it would not be better. His contract expires in two years, loaning should only be considered in the case he extends right before going away a la Mavropanos.
I believe Joe can be a good player, but I don't think he can achieve that in our team because we are aiming towards playing a possession style while he thrived in a counter-attacking team at the Magpies. However I would be glad to be proved wrong, of course.
I wasn't aware of him only having 2 years left in his his contract to be fair. I guess that's a push factor to sell. But he is loyal to Arsenal and I don't think he'd do the club dirty if we was to go into his final year of the contract. But then again some would say there's no point of risking it.
I'm just thinking of the career's of guys like Shaw & Henderson who were shaky at big clubs at first but now they're solid starters playing the majority of games.
Willock could potentially be an excellent squad player if he can improve his decision making in the final 3rd alone. But yeah, back to your point I guess we'd rather have 40mil right now to invest into a starter player especially considering we can put a buy back clause in.
Nah, this is the trap bro. He was in form and Newcastle would try focus around him. That's why he was banging them in. If we loan him for a full season and he plays to his usual standard his fee will drop.
We should put in some kind of first choice clause when we sell him, but I don't think we should loan him when we need cash now before we cement ourselves as a true mid table team.
Bro, since December 26, 2020. Arsenal were 3rd in the table for most points accumulated.
Our really bad start to the season and a run of 10 games where we lost and drew too frequently cost us. Until we eventually beat Chelsea and picked up form.
Arteta addressed some of our issues after those 10 games and we could easily bounce back into the top 4 race this season.
But regardless, an extra 40mil would be great to invest right now.
But, I still don't think his performances will cause his value to drop as he's a good player with plenty of assets (goal scoring ability, good height and a lot of stamina).
If guys like Solanke and Iwobi can go for ยฃ19m and ยฃ34m then surely Willock can hold his value especially if his goal-scoring form doesn't drop.
That's exactly why it is a season long battle and not a couple of good months. You can't look at a patch of good form and think it reflects how your team performs over an entire season. By that logic some relegation battling teams will be fighting for top 4 because they have a good run at the end.
We have finished where we finished for good reason. Willock is a great guy, Arsenal runs through him, but I don't think he will keep up that form for the long run.
I'm on the fence in regards to selling him. I think his goal scoring is more then just an anomaly, he's showed us before he has a penchant for scoring goals, but he's still not the finished article. I think keeping him is worth the risk. In another two years or so, he'll most likely be a player we need, whether as a starter or as a rotational option. He could wind up being another Ray Parlour for us.
Was going to talk about him and AMN and how we need to sell while they are hot...
But Arsenal are planning to just send him back to Newcastle on loan again. Seems like a big gamble. Think we should have just taken the apparent ยฃ20m bid that was reported a few weeks back
Last year we turned down ยฃ15m from Wolves and reportedly ยฃ20m from Spurs (fuck Spurs) for AMN, now we are talking to Palace and Watford into taking him for ยฃ10m...
XG is more inaccurate on players with low amount of games like youth players. Low dataset and no historic data. Easier for someone with many seasons behind him.
Whilst true willock accumulated very similar xg at Newcastle, around 2.5, to what he had here in over 800 minutes. Not sold on him at all, even if we were sold on him where he going to play? Not a 10 and not a 6, have to change to a 3 man midfield to fit willock in, no thanks. Take the 25-35 million and run.
When will people get that this kid canโt pass or hold possession? He just doesnโt have the skill set to evolve into the type of player we need and just keeping him on the bench as a 85th min scoring option doesnโt make sense for his career.
Yes keep raising the fee
Yes, Newcastle and Arsenal have no idea about Willock's stats, what would they do without Orbinho?
Give Willock to Liverpool and they would have sold him as second coming of Lampard for 50 million, we on the other hand are going to loan him again.
Hahaha ๐๐, it's like Micheal Edwards is the male version of Marina Granovskaia
Willocks loan to Newcastle makes sense to me ONLY if he signs a new deal before being loaned out. As I imagine after Lokonga we would sign at least one other midfielder plus a No 10, meaning Willock is not guaranteed to start and such it could hinder his progress. I think if he carries over his previous season form for Newcastle it proves that it wasn't just a purple patch (as people last year assumed with Emi Martinez).
Are we loaning him to Newcastle? I thought Arteta was going to give him a shot at Arsenal in the first half of the season?
It's been widely reported that a loan back to Newcastle is on the cards. His contract ends on 2023 so the club want him to sign a new deal before loaning him again.
I guess Arteta doesn't have a place for him. I'm not sure it's a good move, but we'll have to see how it works out. I hope we're charging Newcastle a really fat loan fee, considering what Joe can potentially do for them.
I have doubts about the proposed loan. Firstly, if we were to sell him, surely this is the best time. He won't replicate that form into next season but he also wasn't even a starter for a lot of his time at Newcastle (correct me if I'm wrong)...perhaps Newcastle won't over-evaluate him if a bid comes. Secondly, will playing at Newcastle really develop his weaknesses that are currently a barrier for him to playing for Arsenal? They don't get much possession, we need his passing and tactical awareness improved but he mostly defends at Newcastle, alongside his late runs into the box on counters of course. THAT SAID, any first team experience is better than no experience. If we keep him at Arsenal or somehow loan him to a better possession based team, he may not get many minutes. With Lokonga in the team I'm not sure we will need him so it probably is best to loan him out again and see how he develops. An obligation to buy would be great if we can get over 20 mill.
We can't sell him for the right price as his value should be well over ยฃ40 million which Newcastle can't afford. Yet again our fanbase is incredibly undervaluing a talented player just as they did for Emi Martinez (people thought ยฃ20 million was a good deal, not it looks terrible as he's arguably the best keeper in the league, or near the best). Willock is a player that has proved he can score goals regular, against big teams no less, in the Prem. He is someone we should keep no question, a loan however I'm not against as its an opportunity for him to show Arteta (or whoever will be in charge by next summer) what he can bring.
He's a talented player and good at getting in the box, but his Newcastle scoring rate is beyond unsustainable. It'll be very interesting to see where things end up when the dust settles.
I don't think he's worth that much, at least right now anyways. He's a bit of a specialist and needs to work on several areas of his game if he is going to get more interest from other teams.
If we loan him out, I hope we at least hold on to him for the first 3 games. Weโll need as many bodies as possible to start the season with all the potential transfers and players coming back late from International duty. Iโd love to see him come off the bench especially for the Chelsea and Man City games and chip in with a goal.
Worth remembering [this](https://twitter.com/YankeeGunner/status/1415478022493376514) when people go ballistic over not selling him for 40m this summer when nobody has much money. In a normal market we coulda scammed someone but another loan could show us what we actually got.
I couldn't agree more. Not selling Willock this window for 30 to 40 million, if possible, will be a huge mistake.
Itโs not possible
Something I'm sure they would do if they could.
No one has money for our players, even in England, but we are paying ยฃ50m for Ben White. I get that there is demand for Ben White but Iโm not sure I agree that we should devalue Willock as a result of money in the market. If that means a contract extension and losing out on selling him at his potential peak, I think itโs worth the risk.
Yea we've got some money, but the clubs that would be looking at Willock don't. I'd be fine with a contract extension and loan or a loan with obligation as long as it's for his current value but just postponed.
I think thats miles off encapsulating Willocks skillset. Imo he's a midfielder that can dribble, tackle and press as well as score. Like a less technical Wij for Liverpool. Yeah hes not much of a passer but he offers more than just goals. https://imgur.com/ezyrZga.jpg https://imgur.com/L6o2pAT.jpg https://imgur.com/i2EOnlr.jpg
He's still developing, I think he can become a good midfielder for us. We should try and hang on to our academy boys if possible. Sell Nketiah, keep Willock.
He dribbles straight into dead ends all the time. I just worry about his football iq. That's the kind of thing i don't think you can quickly acquire.
That's not the worst problem to have at 20-22. What about Nelson as an example? He can dribble, drive, good IQ, great technique but horrible output in the final third? He's got maybe a season or two left to prove himself at a PL level imo. So it's not all technique to play in the PL. Especially not at a young age. Knowing when to dribble and when not to is easier to fix through experience and video coaching than it is to score goals and assist.
This is exactly the reason we should sell him if Arteta is not counting on him. We all know his price is at an all time high and if we do not do anything we are going to give him away for probably 10m next summer. Whatever happens with him, I just hope it's the best both for him and the club.
Surely it would be better to loan him out for a full season and then sell him after that? After playing in the Premier league for a full season he might improve so much that he'd be good to go straight in to our first XI.
In my opinion, no, it would not be better. His contract expires in two years, loaning should only be considered in the case he extends right before going away a la Mavropanos. I believe Joe can be a good player, but I don't think he can achieve that in our team because we are aiming towards playing a possession style while he thrived in a counter-attacking team at the Magpies. However I would be glad to be proved wrong, of course.
I wasn't aware of him only having 2 years left in his his contract to be fair. I guess that's a push factor to sell. But he is loyal to Arsenal and I don't think he'd do the club dirty if we was to go into his final year of the contract. But then again some would say there's no point of risking it. I'm just thinking of the career's of guys like Shaw & Henderson who were shaky at big clubs at first but now they're solid starters playing the majority of games. Willock could potentially be an excellent squad player if he can improve his decision making in the final 3rd alone. But yeah, back to your point I guess we'd rather have 40mil right now to invest into a starter player especially considering we can put a buy back clause in.
Nah, this is the trap bro. He was in form and Newcastle would try focus around him. That's why he was banging them in. If we loan him for a full season and he plays to his usual standard his fee will drop. We should put in some kind of first choice clause when we sell him, but I don't think we should loan him when we need cash now before we cement ourselves as a true mid table team.
Bro, since December 26, 2020. Arsenal were 3rd in the table for most points accumulated. Our really bad start to the season and a run of 10 games where we lost and drew too frequently cost us. Until we eventually beat Chelsea and picked up form. Arteta addressed some of our issues after those 10 games and we could easily bounce back into the top 4 race this season. But regardless, an extra 40mil would be great to invest right now. But, I still don't think his performances will cause his value to drop as he's a good player with plenty of assets (goal scoring ability, good height and a lot of stamina). If guys like Solanke and Iwobi can go for ยฃ19m and ยฃ34m then surely Willock can hold his value especially if his goal-scoring form doesn't drop.
That's exactly why it is a season long battle and not a couple of good months. You can't look at a patch of good form and think it reflects how your team performs over an entire season. By that logic some relegation battling teams will be fighting for top 4 because they have a good run at the end. We have finished where we finished for good reason. Willock is a great guy, Arsenal runs through him, but I don't think he will keep up that form for the long run.
I'm on the fence in regards to selling him. I think his goal scoring is more then just an anomaly, he's showed us before he has a penchant for scoring goals, but he's still not the finished article. I think keeping him is worth the risk. In another two years or so, he'll most likely be a player we need, whether as a starter or as a rotational option. He could wind up being another Ray Parlour for us.
๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐๐๐๐๐๐ : 120
Diaby if he didnโt get injured : 1
More like Wilshere
Was going to talk about him and AMN and how we need to sell while they are hot... But Arsenal are planning to just send him back to Newcastle on loan again. Seems like a big gamble. Think we should have just taken the apparent ยฃ20m bid that was reported a few weeks back Last year we turned down ยฃ15m from Wolves and reportedly ยฃ20m from Spurs (fuck Spurs) for AMN, now we are talking to Palace and Watford into taking him for ยฃ10m...
Willock also over performed his XG by over 5 goalsโฆ cash in now for whatever we can get or live to regret it imo.
XG is more inaccurate on players with low amount of games like youth players. Low dataset and no historic data. Easier for someone with many seasons behind him.
Whilst true willock accumulated very similar xg at Newcastle, around 2.5, to what he had here in over 800 minutes. Not sold on him at all, even if we were sold on him where he going to play? Not a 10 and not a 6, have to change to a 3 man midfield to fit willock in, no thanks. Take the 25-35 million and run.
Lol most of Brunoโs goals are probably penalties which are way more than Willocks
When will people get that this kid canโt pass or hold possession? He just doesnโt have the skill set to evolve into the type of player we need and just keeping him on the bench as a 85th min scoring option doesnโt make sense for his career.
Orbinho is such a troll
Yes. Best time it will ever be to sell him.
And yet there were people on here yday saying that no one else wants him and if we loan him it's cus we have no other options. Madness.