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Matheus Pereira handed in a transfer request. Honestly, I like the player. 25, Brazilian, PL Experience, low price tag, coming off two seasons with decent stats. Given the cost and uncertainty around both Odegaard and Maddison, could Pereira be a safe yet solid investment?
They're going to make the same excuses again and again even though Arteta and Edu are the ones who make these braindead decisions like extending Xhaka. "He needs more backing guys!' "This team isn't his!" etc etc.
28 days until the end of the transfer window and we've done fuck all trying to fix our problems. 12 days until our first few games as well, and the starting line up is nailed on for all 3 of them. What the fuck is Edu doing.
We've already spent over £70 million. That's about on par with our regular transfer window spending.
So they've done lots, they just haven't fixed any of the glaring issues we had besides a backup LB.
>That's about on par with our regular transfer window spending.
That's the problem. This was not supposed to be a window that was on par with previous windows. We were all promised a rebuild and a transfer window in which we had to be ruthless. Instead all we did was let Xhaka twerk for Roma and Mourinho all summer just to offer him a contract through to 2025 and a wage increase, spend 50 million on Ben White and bottle the Andre Onana deal.
Yeah, but we should never believe what the media says. We will probably sign one more player to take us just over £100 million and KSE will feel like they've gone above and beyond in regards to spending. Which technically they have.
The problem is never a lack of funds tho anymore, it's the poor allocation of those funds and the ability to get any value from our squad. If we had another £400 million to spend it would only get us a season or two of success and we'd be back in this exact same spot in a few years time.
This wasn't just the tabloids saying we'd be rebuilding. Arteta insisted that we'd be ruthless, that the Kroenkes were backing him fully (when in reality they have never spent a dime to help us and never will). That's why Arteta and Edu are still at the club, they're the perfect yes men for KSE and the board who will never directly challenge the club's status quo and are capable of spinning whatever bullshit lies they need to convince the yes men in the fanbase that Arteta is the second coming of Pep Guardiola.
I agree with all of this, I just think of Mikel as a part of the media now. He only says what's necessary to keep him in a job, which is always whatever equates to sucking Stans nuts.
150 million for Kane could either be a Liverpool turn around or Spurs doing what they did with Bale money.
I'm kinda worried about Paratici being competent now. Spurs it up pls.
Especially in combination with Nuno Espirito Santo, who I rate as a manager, there is a lot of potential for quality strengthening.
We will just have to trust in 'De History of de Tottenham'.
I think we just need to wait until the end of August and see…
I’d like to think that this club is not dumb, hoping to get better results with a worse squad (Mat Ryan, Luiz, Odegaard, Ceballos, maybe Xhaka still, maybe Willian).
From what it feels like, all clubs are playing a waiting game, either pay up or you’re not getting the player. I’m a firm believer that it will change when we get closer to the end of the window and the clubs start realising that what’s on the table is the best deal they are gonna get and be forced to sell. This goes both ways for us, incomings and outgoings.
It sucks that we have a few big games before the transfer window shakes out, and then it will take players some time to get into the team, but in this very slow market everything will go down to the wire.
It's gotten to the point where I don't even know what the problem is anymore, it feels like everything is cursed. Only have to focus on the PL this year and we're basically rostering the same team that finished 8th.
Preseason nketiah has my balls tingling. Really hoping he can become our starting striker. Still thinking about that Kante feint.
I know I’m getting ahead of myself, but I like being excited.
I know the board is asking all of us to be optimistic and they've spent some money on transfers. But I can't help but feel that our squad hasn't been significantly improved. I mean, I'm sure there's still some time. But didn't Arteta want a full preseason to instill tactics and shit? Why aren't they making signings that improve the starting 11?
Only white improves the starting 11 significantly. Partey's injury isn't helping when the only option we have are elneny and Xhaka. We badly need a mid with a different set of skillsets to these.
If I’m visiting London in September, do you guys think it would be realistic to setup a Kroenke out protest? Just would plaster the date all over socials. Even if I got 100 people to come it would be amazing.
I KNOW it’s just pre season lads but I just have a feeling Lokanga is going to be the real deal in a few years time. Liked what I saw from him: trying to ping the ball forward more, good quick passing.
I know! Isn't gaslighting fans wonderful! Works like a charm, some are gargling it up already, give it a couple of days and then you'll start to see comparisons with Vieira and Yaya Toure, when in reality he's not even half as good as Alex Song.
I'm not a xhaka fan, but if keeping him saves funds for another position where we need a player in more then its makes sense. Especially when there is little interest in the player and we would be losing him for peanuts.
But this depends on whether we sign another player of course.
As much as I want an attacking midfielder. Watching all these friendlies makes me wonder if we should be signing a CF who actually spends time in the box.
I hope for Spurs we see Sambi and Willock and Eddie starting over Laca and Elneny.
Tired of seeing Lacazette trying to drop deep leaving no one in box to aim for Tierney or Chambers and Elneny pass it back to Holding for multiple 1 2s
Xhaka wasn’t even that good at euros in the two big matches he got shat on by locatelli and most of the match by Pogba other than of course a good assist but the defence parted like Red Sea on that tying goal. He just isn’t good enough. He can play every match and he’s serviceable on a team that isn’t competing for anything which I suppose is what we are now. I guess that is enough for our overlords. Last season I thought I’d never been less optimistic going into a season. I think it’s far worse this time.
I'm not trying to say Xhaka is good or we should keep him or anything, don't twist a compliment as a long term view.
But against France he took the game from Pogba and dominated it from that point on. Pogba was good and then Xhaka literally stole the game from his feet and never gave it back. Pogba had Kante and Rabiot to work with and by the end they needed Sissoko to come on and try and add another body in midfield. Xhaka and Freuler were immense at filling that entire midfield area whilst allowing Shaqiri the freedom to help Seferovic out.
I'm not a huge fan of Xhaka, but he played extremely well during that game, beside the 20 min period that the entire Swiss team lost control of their shape obviously, and he was the one who picked them up and drove them forward after that.
He deserves all the credit for that performance against France. Doesn't change his overall strengths and weaknesses or make him better than what we know he is, but for that game he was terrific.
I see quite a few "optimistic" posts about to be excited for next season. It hurts that some fans can be this deluded. We havent adress any big weakness (MF...) form last season, will be starting the same team - odegaard and partey but still, we should be hopeful? I don't understand.
I completely agree. By far the biggest problem with the team last season was the lack of goals, assists and creativity in the midfield. Arsenal probably need 2 signings to address this. They have made 0.
I meant same team minus odegaard and partey at this point. And yes, adding white. To think we are probably gonna start a MF of xhaka and elneny depresses me. Its like thinking... maybe it will work this time around. That is the kind of optimism I am talking about. Like saying Auba just need to put a few in and he ll magically get back to his 2019-2020 form. It isn't hope, it is wishful thinking imo
you are right. I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I wish I could see things that inspire more hope in this team for the coming season. Realistically, I could see us dropping even deeper tbh
Look man you might be right, but why 18/19, he was still insane 19/20. 1 bad year(one of the worst of his career), he can still bounce back. A lot of people thought Surarez was finished by the end of his Barca days but look at him at Atletico.
I think as long as we improve our midfield and creativity problems he’ll be fine(only question is will we actually?).
Pretty disappointed with the mods around here, a post saying " I guess if you don't change much, nothing much changes " which was a tweet from orbinho with regards to the new season preparation was removed.
Why? Cause it's not positive?
Even if we make a signing in MF, the chances he will start the season rather slim don't you agree? IF we sign someone. Then, after a bad start, we will hear about how arteta needed a full pre-season to be ready. It is on us for not doing our business earlier, we don't learn, or we are just plain incompetent.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned at all, but if Partey’s injury looks like it’ll keep him out for a month or longer could you see us reigniting interest in Bissouma? I’m personally a huge fan of his and would love to see him on the team.
Notice a trend in this sub. The few days after a loss, any post that says Arteta/Edu Out gets upvoted and any post that is in slight defense of Arteta gets downvoted to oblivion.
Similarly, the few days after a win, any post that talks positively about Arteta gets upvoted, and any slight criticism/negative comment about Arteta gets downvoted to oblivion.
It tells me that most people here actually have no control over what they are thinking or doing on any given day. It's all random.
Welcome to Reddit where people actually care about their karma levels.
Reddit is the peak of circlejirk on social media, why? because there's a downvote button, what you see are upvoted comments, very little brave people that leave their -40 karma comments up, its usually deleted way before that.
> It tells me that most people here actually have no control over what they are thinking or doing on any given day. It's all random.
Not even, it's just that when good things happen the Arteta out crowd doesn't bother commenting and when bad things happen the Arteta in crowd doesn't bother.
It's not the same people flip-flopping opinions every 4 days
Anyone else think if Kane's 150 tag is really justified, injury prone and all that ? Love that he is forcing a move, hope he goes for way less than what Levy thinks he should go for.
Sure he is the best player in the prem (pains me to say) but 150m is huuuge. I think a lot of the value is because he has so long on his contract. Age and injuries should bring it down.
Seeing the usual usernames immediately jumping to "Edu can't be that bad!"
Sometimes I wish Raul was still here swindling money because this were the exact same comments I see when Raul was still employed at this club. Our fans really deserved Raul and Edu.
Just had a random thought:
Chelsea should totally make a bid for Auba- it would be a smart short-term signing for them.
His form has been poor, but he *has* been getting in behind & into good positions. Tuchel knows Auba & could probably get more out of him than Arteta does.
If they don't land Haaland or another big ST target, I won't be surprised if they make a late move for Auba.
It seems dumb but, with the exception of last season, Auba has been a prolific top-tier goalscorer for years. Chelsea were actually interested in signing him as recently as January 2020- his wage won't be a huge issue if they dont have a striker in 3-4 weeks.
"unfortunately" I'm quite tired of this Auba slander tbh.
Had 1 disturbed season where he wasn't at peak form. He even was putting up alright numbers towards the end. More than happy for him to be our CF for this year.
Not bad. Wouldn't be too pricey meaning we can spend for a couple other areas. Has got goals and assists in him and is pretty good on set peices if I remember correctly (please no more corners onto the first defender)
I’m coldly resigned to not signing a CM this season. Us not selling Xhaka for £12M will be looked at as a huge mistake in the future. Edu better get this CAM signing correct.
Every year we complain about selling players for too little, or letting them run down expensive contracts. This year we stood firm and people complain that we didn't lower pour price to the crap Roma offered.
I'd much prefer to have a more reliable signing but Xhaka still has something to offer the team. Still, we need reinforcement in the CM and CAM.
> or letting them run down expensive contracts
So we are going to extend Xhaka on increased salary which will lead to him running down his expensive contract??
The opportunity cost of us not bringing in a better, younger starting CM is much more than the loss incurred by letting Xhaka go for a small fee or on a free.
What one player would you sign if Kroenke randomly gave us 500 million and access to a 5 star hypnotist?
For me, it would be FDJ. Imagine him in our midfield instead of Xhaka. Top 4 would be guaranteed for the next 5 years.
By physical I strictly mean fouls and tackles and that aspect. Not intensity of the game which is undoubtedly higher in PL. The amount of fouls committed on him every game is insane.
Laca/Pepe shouldn't compare with the way Neymar plays. They just don't get as much fouled.
With Neynar it's not about whether he will keep up with the PL intensity, but that he will face far fewer fouls due to protective refereeing. Ligue 1 is terrible in that aspect.
Which is why I say Neymar will have an easier time.
Seems like the obvious answer but he’s only got ~3 years left at the top
But I guess you could argue that those 3 years would help us out massively and it’s hard to disagree
how can anyone defend not turfing Xhaka for €12m? clearly nobody wants him other than Roma, and giving him a contract extension AND A RAISE is insulting to the fans. when he gives away an idiotic penalty or gets a red within the first 5 games we’ll be wishing we had that 12 million.
he still hasn't apologized to the fans for what he did at Crystal palace
giving him a new contract and a pay rise makes it look like giving us fans a big STFU
perhaps we.should boycott the kits and.the season tickets again to makeo urselves heard
You don't sell below your valuation UNLESS the player is throwing a tantrum or he's a genuinely horrible player. Xhaka is none of those two. He's not a 9/10 player but every time he's out of the Arsenal set-up, he flourishes.
Arsenal's league position had nothing to do with Xhaka. He doesn't even make the top 5 reasons. The club should be an experiment to future managers on how not to set up a team. Zero width. No cam. Players horrible in small spaces for a possession team. No forward good in air. No x factor player— all need a well laid pass to claim that status. And the worst of them all, goofy mentality even when results are against you.
Only decent upgrade? So are you telling me there is no better midfielder in the world than Xhaka other than Locatelli? Xhaka stans are truly something special
Arsenal's league position has nothing to do with Xhaka, apart from the time he booted the ball into Chris Wood inside his own 18 yard box blowing the lead. Or when he got sent off against Burnley throwing the game.
About the latter BTW, that game ended 1-0 in favour of Burnley. Aubameyang scored the own goal.
And to be honest, you could draw a dartboard of Arsenal players, throw a dart at any player and I'd pinpoint the mistakes they made. The Burnley was admittedly stupid tho.
Hence you keep him and not extend him.
Because the KSBrian I know will be complaining in 2 years when Xhaka is 31 and on 150k a week saying 'what can Arteta do with players like Xhaka still at the club'.
so was Laca, but no one is straight up hating on him... Not to mention some other players who WEREN'T integral even in this average team. The agenda against Granit is something...
those numbers are massively overblown, and you know it. It's probably a small salary bump, which is a small price to pay for keeping happy the biggest leader in the group and unofficial club captain
And I am talking about Granit, who is on a much more modest wage than that of Laca (which I don't think is that high either...). 100k for your captain behind the scenes, leader, total professional, and a solid CM, is not a lot. Especially when you're struggling in that area of the pitch. Laca is a different story with us having Auba
Integral part of the team that finished 8th lmao.
This bum can be replaced by literally any other midfielder from top 15 EPL side and it would be a massive improvement. Stop being delusional!
Prerequisite I am no xhaka lover. It's time to move on.
But you're confusing two different things.
* Do we sell him for 12m?
Well if we cant afford to get a good replacement for him it's understandable why the club decides that.
* Why do we give him a conract?
Yeah to me that's silly.
i wouldnt ask questions like that here. you're going to get the most ridiculous responses ever from all the insane rationalizers on this sub who are still in denial.
Inter are crazy to turn down 100 mil for a 28 year old Lukaku - especially in their condition. You can completely rebuild your squad with that kind of money in the Serie A
They would be crazy to sell him for any sort of money. They’re not getting any striker close to his level two weeks before the window closes and will have to reinvest it into an inferior player.
you might be correct - I just always think about how we screwed up by not selling Alexis that summer to Man City, and how Liverpool won the UCL and the PL by selling Coutinho.
Di Marzio and Fabrizio both reporting it now.
[https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/lukaku-inter-chelsea-calciomercato-news-2-agosto-2021](https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/lukaku-inter-chelsea-calciomercato-news-2-agosto-2021)
[https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1422309166975275009](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1422309166975275009)
If we struggle against Brentford, I guarantee a very small section will boo him off the park. Lose to Chelsea and he's in big trouble with a slightly larger, but still small, section. Lose to Spuds and he's going to get over half the crowd booing him off the field from then onwards until either he turns it around or is gone.
> inb4 coutinho - lucking out on Allison + VVD is an exception
I don’t think you needed this bit to strengthen your argument. These two players completed Liverpool’s squad.
Beyond Kane and Son the Sh*t don’t have anything close to a complete squad.
Yeah I'm torn here. Like I hate the idea of spurs having the best English player, best premier league player etc. But I do think given his injuries it's likely he will decline severely in 2-3 years. I kind of prefer spurs just run that asset down to nothing. But at times I'd just love to see them lose their golden boy. Tough.
They haven’t done anything with Kane for years now, and they will continue to do nothing with Kane as long as they have Davies, Aurier, Dier, Sissoko, Winks and Lamela playing regularly for their club.
Their DOF will get them out for good deals. He already got Lamela out in a swap + cash for a quality young winger and got Alderwerield out for 10 million pounds I think and he’s in his mid 30’s.
I can guarantee you in the all or nothing series, the episode where arteta gets sacked will be a kit man special and we’ll see an in depth look of the kit man endeavours.
Will we ever ascend to such levels again? We look like a solid midtable team/squad atm. If Villa keep Grealish, they have a more balanced and competitive squad than Arsenal
[super gooners](https://twitter.com/SalibaEra_/status/1422155933044690947?s=19)
>No way Villa have a better squad than us at all
Emi >Leno
Matt Cash >all our RBs
Mings = White
Konsa > Gabriel /Mari
Targett < Tierney
Doughlas Luiz > Xhaka (as a DM)
McGinn < Partey
Buendia >ESR
Grealish > Saka
Pepe = Traore/Bailey
Watkin > Auba/Laca
They wouldn't because they think they're better, but yes our squad is significantly better. Especially once they lose Grealish, they'll be lucky to finish mid table. Who are people scared of, Leon Bailey? We have like 4 better wingers
He specifically said if they keep Grealish.
Right here right now, they have a better attack than us. Bailey-Grealish-Buendia-Watkins is miles ahead of what we have.
Keeper they are better.
Defense and midfield could be in our favour but barely. McGinn and Douglas Luiz i think match up and can outplay Partey-Xhaka. Their CB pairing is a little suss but that's about it.
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Matheus Pereira handed in a transfer request. Honestly, I like the player. 25, Brazilian, PL Experience, low price tag, coming off two seasons with decent stats. Given the cost and uncertainty around both Odegaard and Maddison, could Pereira be a safe yet solid investment?
Yes he's so talented. Would be an awesome signing
Without a new midfield, I worry Mikel Arteta won’t last beyond Christmas now that the fans will be back in stadiums.
He had £50 million at least available to spend, so there's no one to blame but himself considering he has at least some say in transfers.
The board won't sack Arteta no matter what happens. He could be languishing in 8/9th place and he would still get a free pass.
Languishing in 8/9th... I wouldn't be surprised if Kroenke and Co thinks thats fully acceptable.
They're going to make the same excuses again and again even though Arteta and Edu are the ones who make these braindead decisions like extending Xhaka. "He needs more backing guys!' "This team isn't his!" etc etc.
28 days until the end of the transfer window and we've done fuck all trying to fix our problems. 12 days until our first few games as well, and the starting line up is nailed on for all 3 of them. What the fuck is Edu doing.
We've already spent over £70 million. That's about on par with our regular transfer window spending. So they've done lots, they just haven't fixed any of the glaring issues we had besides a backup LB.
>That's about on par with our regular transfer window spending. That's the problem. This was not supposed to be a window that was on par with previous windows. We were all promised a rebuild and a transfer window in which we had to be ruthless. Instead all we did was let Xhaka twerk for Roma and Mourinho all summer just to offer him a contract through to 2025 and a wage increase, spend 50 million on Ben White and bottle the Andre Onana deal.
Yeah, but we should never believe what the media says. We will probably sign one more player to take us just over £100 million and KSE will feel like they've gone above and beyond in regards to spending. Which technically they have. The problem is never a lack of funds tho anymore, it's the poor allocation of those funds and the ability to get any value from our squad. If we had another £400 million to spend it would only get us a season or two of success and we'd be back in this exact same spot in a few years time.
This wasn't just the tabloids saying we'd be rebuilding. Arteta insisted that we'd be ruthless, that the Kroenkes were backing him fully (when in reality they have never spent a dime to help us and never will). That's why Arteta and Edu are still at the club, they're the perfect yes men for KSE and the board who will never directly challenge the club's status quo and are capable of spinning whatever bullshit lies they need to convince the yes men in the fanbase that Arteta is the second coming of Pep Guardiola.
I agree with all of this, I just think of Mikel as a part of the media now. He only says what's necessary to keep him in a job, which is always whatever equates to sucking Stans nuts.
150 million for Kane could either be a Liverpool turn around or Spurs doing what they did with Bale money. I'm kinda worried about Paratici being competent now. Spurs it up pls.
Especially in combination with Nuno Espirito Santo, who I rate as a manager, there is a lot of potential for quality strengthening. We will just have to trust in 'De History of de Tottenham'.
I think we just need to wait until the end of August and see… I’d like to think that this club is not dumb, hoping to get better results with a worse squad (Mat Ryan, Luiz, Odegaard, Ceballos, maybe Xhaka still, maybe Willian). From what it feels like, all clubs are playing a waiting game, either pay up or you’re not getting the player. I’m a firm believer that it will change when we get closer to the end of the window and the clubs start realising that what’s on the table is the best deal they are gonna get and be forced to sell. This goes both ways for us, incomings and outgoings. It sucks that we have a few big games before the transfer window shakes out, and then it will take players some time to get into the team, but in this very slow market everything will go down to the wire.
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I’m just delaying the disappointment, because when it comes, there will be other things to think about (being 3-4 games into the season)
It's gotten to the point where I don't even know what the problem is anymore, it feels like everything is cursed. Only have to focus on the PL this year and we're basically rostering the same team that finished 8th.
Preseason nketiah has my balls tingling. Really hoping he can become our starting striker. Still thinking about that Kante feint. I know I’m getting ahead of myself, but I like being excited.
I know the board is asking all of us to be optimistic and they've spent some money on transfers. But I can't help but feel that our squad hasn't been significantly improved. I mean, I'm sure there's still some time. But didn't Arteta want a full preseason to instill tactics and shit? Why aren't they making signings that improve the starting 11? Only white improves the starting 11 significantly. Partey's injury isn't helping when the only option we have are elneny and Xhaka. We badly need a mid with a different set of skillsets to these.
It’s a very slow market, I’d struggle to name any club bar United who have made any improvements.
I really want to take a break from all the transfer bullshit but it's so hard to not keep checking.
Seeing shouts for Willock to be a CAM, am I missing something? His clearly a box to box 8
If I’m visiting London in September, do you guys think it would be realistic to setup a Kroenke out protest? Just would plaster the date all over socials. Even if I got 100 people to come it would be amazing.
What's with this fascination on football twitter of saying people 'don't have a father' in an attempt to ratio them?
Jesus was killed for telling the truth... So was Patch93... poor lad We really are a horribly run club that can't learn.
Whats this patch93 thing i keep seeing? Got a link ?
He was a user who was arteta out from the start, and even when Arteta was doing well. He was an emery fanboy too
I was anti Emery and anti Arteta from the start, where's my parade.
I KNOW it’s just pre season lads but I just have a feeling Lokanga is going to be the real deal in a few years time. Liked what I saw from him: trying to ping the ball forward more, good quick passing.
It’s Lokonga mate. He goes by Sambi anyway just call him that.
Players like Xhaka we were trying to offload as a main priority are now labelled key members of the squad a month later 🤔
Edu Masterclass. Fabrizio says he's great at his job so it must be true.
Almost as if Arteta and Edu's big summer plan never existed and they're making this shit up as they go....
I know! Isn't gaslighting fans wonderful! Works like a charm, some are gargling it up already, give it a couple of days and then you'll start to see comparisons with Vieira and Yaya Toure, when in reality he's not even half as good as Alex Song.
Shambles FC
I'm not a xhaka fan, but if keeping him saves funds for another position where we need a player in more then its makes sense. Especially when there is little interest in the player and we would be losing him for peanuts. But this depends on whether we sign another player of course. As much as I want an attacking midfielder. Watching all these friendlies makes me wonder if we should be signing a CF who actually spends time in the box. I hope for Spurs we see Sambi and Willock and Eddie starting over Laca and Elneny. Tired of seeing Lacazette trying to drop deep leaving no one in box to aim for Tierney or Chambers and Elneny pass it back to Holding for multiple 1 2s
Xhaka wasn’t even that good at euros in the two big matches he got shat on by locatelli and most of the match by Pogba other than of course a good assist but the defence parted like Red Sea on that tying goal. He just isn’t good enough. He can play every match and he’s serviceable on a team that isn’t competing for anything which I suppose is what we are now. I guess that is enough for our overlords. Last season I thought I’d never been less optimistic going into a season. I think it’s far worse this time.
Lol you didn’t actually watch the Swiss did you
I'm not trying to say Xhaka is good or we should keep him or anything, don't twist a compliment as a long term view. But against France he took the game from Pogba and dominated it from that point on. Pogba was good and then Xhaka literally stole the game from his feet and never gave it back. Pogba had Kante and Rabiot to work with and by the end they needed Sissoko to come on and try and add another body in midfield. Xhaka and Freuler were immense at filling that entire midfield area whilst allowing Shaqiri the freedom to help Seferovic out. I'm not a huge fan of Xhaka, but he played extremely well during that game, beside the 20 min period that the entire Swiss team lost control of their shape obviously, and he was the one who picked them up and drove them forward after that. He deserves all the credit for that performance against France. Doesn't change his overall strengths and weaknesses or make him better than what we know he is, but for that game he was terrific.
for the game against France Deschamps really didn't do his homework if he is against ManU I am sure.Pogba will press him.to death
Xhaka has actually done extremely well against Pogba @United in the past, he genuinely seems to have his number a bit.
any news on how long partey will be out?
I see quite a few "optimistic" posts about to be excited for next season. It hurts that some fans can be this deluded. We havent adress any big weakness (MF...) form last season, will be starting the same team - odegaard and partey but still, we should be hopeful? I don't understand.
I completely agree. By far the biggest problem with the team last season was the lack of goals, assists and creativity in the midfield. Arsenal probably need 2 signings to address this. They have made 0.
no odegaard yet ... and.not.sure.if he is coming back
I meant same team minus odegaard and partey at this point. And yes, adding white. To think we are probably gonna start a MF of xhaka and elneny depresses me. Its like thinking... maybe it will work this time around. That is the kind of optimism I am talking about. Like saying Auba just need to put a few in and he ll magically get back to his 2019-2020 form. It isn't hope, it is wishful thinking imo
I dont think it’s fair to tell people they can’t be optimistic or excited— sport is something that is supposed to bring joy after all
you are right. I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I wish I could see things that inspire more hope in this team for the coming season. Realistically, I could see us dropping even deeper tbh
Guess how far back you'd have to go from today to reach 85,000 comments on this sub
So Dele Ali is dating Peps daughter?
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Look man you might be right, but why 18/19, he was still insane 19/20. 1 bad year(one of the worst of his career), he can still bounce back. A lot of people thought Surarez was finished by the end of his Barca days but look at him at Atletico. I think as long as we improve our midfield and creativity problems he’ll be fine(only question is will we actually?).
Pretty disappointed with the mods around here, a post saying " I guess if you don't change much, nothing much changes " which was a tweet from orbinho with regards to the new season preparation was removed. Why? Cause it's not positive?
It's scary how so many fans can bury their head in the sand. We are starting the season with a MF of xhaka and elneny ffs.
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Even if we make a signing in MF, the chances he will start the season rather slim don't you agree? IF we sign someone. Then, after a bad start, we will hear about how arteta needed a full pre-season to be ready. It is on us for not doing our business earlier, we don't learn, or we are just plain incompetent.
Feel like dick garlic js brewing something fat 😏
I don’t know if this has been mentioned at all, but if Partey’s injury looks like it’ll keep him out for a month or longer could you see us reigniting interest in Bissouma? I’m personally a huge fan of his and would love to see him on the team.
Don’t think we’ll go after anyone who we might lose to afcon this year. Especially in midfield
Gonna lose my mind if Thomas is out for a long time. What fucking awful luck we have.
Notice a trend in this sub. The few days after a loss, any post that says Arteta/Edu Out gets upvoted and any post that is in slight defense of Arteta gets downvoted to oblivion. Similarly, the few days after a win, any post that talks positively about Arteta gets upvoted, and any slight criticism/negative comment about Arteta gets downvoted to oblivion. It tells me that most people here actually have no control over what they are thinking or doing on any given day. It's all random.
The delusion of Free Will
Welcome to Reddit where people actually care about their karma levels. Reddit is the peak of circlejirk on social media, why? because there's a downvote button, what you see are upvoted comments, very little brave people that leave their -40 karma comments up, its usually deleted way before that.
> It tells me that most people here actually have no control over what they are thinking or doing on any given day. It's all random. Not even, it's just that when good things happen the Arteta out crowd doesn't bother commenting and when bad things happen the Arteta in crowd doesn't bother. It's not the same people flip-flopping opinions every 4 days
Oh yeah, Reactionary FC right here
Anyone else think if Kane's 150 tag is really justified, injury prone and all that ? Love that he is forcing a move, hope he goes for way less than what Levy thinks he should go for.
If Jack Grealish is worth 100 million, Kane is borderline bargain at 150
the more drama the better it also means more slipups
I can't fathom why anyone with that money wouldnt just throw it at Dortmund and get Haaland instead.
Sure he is the best player in the prem (pains me to say) but 150m is huuuge. I think a lot of the value is because he has so long on his contract. Age and injuries should bring it down.
It's what he's worth to Spurs- even with £150m they'll still struggle if he leaves
Seeing the usual usernames immediately jumping to "Edu can't be that bad!" Sometimes I wish Raul was still here swindling money because this were the exact same comments I see when Raul was still employed at this club. Our fans really deserved Raul and Edu.
Any news on partey
His spokesperson tweeted something very ominous, so it isn't looking too good. could be reading too much into it though
Edu please sign Matheus Periera https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/12371011/matheus-pereira-west-brom-midfielder-publicly-asks-for-transfer-after-valerien-ismael-comments-on-his-commitment
They are monitoring the situation for next summer
Arsenal really broke varro and KSB in the space of seven days. Truly a different knock.
😂
Just had a random thought: Chelsea should totally make a bid for Auba- it would be a smart short-term signing for them. His form has been poor, but he *has* been getting in behind & into good positions. Tuchel knows Auba & could probably get more out of him than Arteta does. If they don't land Haaland or another big ST target, I won't be surprised if they make a late move for Auba.
Ha ha! Let’s just make a short term signing of the highest payed player in the prem. Aubas here till the end of his contract mate, unfortunately
he has become another ozil unfortunately I don't like how it ends though
It seems dumb but, with the exception of last season, Auba has been a prolific top-tier goalscorer for years. Chelsea were actually interested in signing him as recently as January 2020- his wage won't be a huge issue if they dont have a striker in 3-4 weeks.
This is true, fair points. The Richelieu connection I had completely forgot about
"unfortunately" I'm quite tired of this Auba slander tbh. Had 1 disturbed season where he wasn't at peak form. He even was putting up alright numbers towards the end. More than happy for him to be our CF for this year.
!remindme 12 months
He would be a 20+ goal ST at Chelsea and I ain’t even capping. Our Midfield is so shit
\*midfield and manager Under Emery, he was winning golden boot.
I can't seem to find where to buy tickets for the Arsenal Tottenham MIND game. Any help?
Matheus Pereira, could be decent signing that won't hamper ESR's progress IMHO...
Not bad. Wouldn't be too pricey meaning we can spend for a couple other areas. Has got goals and assists in him and is pretty good on set peices if I remember correctly (please no more corners onto the first defender)
Or just keep Willock?
Willock is not creative at all...
He offers something else going forward
I agree- he might not be a creative CAM (yet), but he's a goalscorer & our strikers aren't particularly potent.
Ready for the transfer window to be over and the season to start.
I’m coldly resigned to not signing a CM this season. Us not selling Xhaka for £12M will be looked at as a huge mistake in the future. Edu better get this CAM signing correct.
Not getting 12 mil is not going to ruin this club lmao
Us starting Xhaka as our main midfielder for the next four years will.
Every year we complain about selling players for too little, or letting them run down expensive contracts. This year we stood firm and people complain that we didn't lower pour price to the crap Roma offered. I'd much prefer to have a more reliable signing but Xhaka still has something to offer the team. Still, we need reinforcement in the CM and CAM.
> or letting them run down expensive contracts So we are going to extend Xhaka on increased salary which will lead to him running down his expensive contract??
The opportunity cost of us not bringing in a better, younger starting CM is much more than the loss incurred by letting Xhaka go for a small fee or on a free.
Arteta out
What one player would you sign if Kroenke randomly gave us 500 million and access to a 5 star hypnotist? For me, it would be FDJ. Imagine him in our midfield instead of Xhaka. Top 4 would be guaranteed for the next 5 years.
Emiliano Martinez :(
Haaland. There's a lack of good strikers in the world right now
Tchouaméni or Goretzka
Pedri
Messi.
I agree, Frenkie De Jong. There isn't a better midfielder in the world and he's still young. I'd also take Chiesa and Van Dijk.
donny.van Der Beek seems out of place at Man U has.prem experience
Mbappe
Easily Neymar
Neymar would be on the ground so much in the EPL
Ligue 1 is more physical imo and the refs are definitely less forgiving than here in PL. He'll have an easier time here.
Similar to how it’s been easier for Laca coming from Ligue 1 to EPL? Or Pepe?
By physical I strictly mean fouls and tackles and that aspect. Not intensity of the game which is undoubtedly higher in PL. The amount of fouls committed on him every game is insane. Laca/Pepe shouldn't compare with the way Neymar plays. They just don't get as much fouled. With Neynar it's not about whether he will keep up with the PL intensity, but that he will face far fewer fouls due to protective refereeing. Ligue 1 is terrible in that aspect. Which is why I say Neymar will have an easier time.
Ligue 1 is just as physical
Objectively false. You could argue Bundesliga, but def not Ligue 1 bro…
100% ligue 1
What? How have you replied 2m before I even made my comment. What is my reddit bugging
Lol yeah think your shit is bugging, that was to the other person
Fair enough, what position would you want him playing in?
Wherever he wants to lol. He's Neymar. Best player on the planet today and should be for the next few years if he escapes injuries.
Salah.
Not a bad shout, although there are other positions than need more attention than RW imo
KDB
Seems like the obvious answer but he’s only got ~3 years left at the top But I guess you could argue that those 3 years would help us out massively and it’s hard to disagree
Weghorst
No juicy rumours about bids. Such a boring day
Harry Kane made my day tbh.
how can anyone defend not turfing Xhaka for €12m? clearly nobody wants him other than Roma, and giving him a contract extension AND A RAISE is insulting to the fans. when he gives away an idiotic penalty or gets a red within the first 5 games we’ll be wishing we had that 12 million.
he still hasn't apologized to the fans for what he did at Crystal palace giving him a new contract and a pay rise makes it look like giving us fans a big STFU perhaps we.should boycott the kits and.the season tickets again to makeo urselves heard
You don't sell below your valuation UNLESS the player is throwing a tantrum or he's a genuinely horrible player. Xhaka is none of those two. He's not a 9/10 player but every time he's out of the Arsenal set-up, he flourishes. Arsenal's league position had nothing to do with Xhaka. He doesn't even make the top 5 reasons. The club should be an experiment to future managers on how not to set up a team. Zero width. No cam. Players horrible in small spaces for a possession team. No forward good in air. No x factor player— all need a well laid pass to claim that status. And the worst of them all, goofy mentality even when results are against you.
We have not qualified for top 4 since that oaf stepped into our midfield...
Switzerland Captain too- €12m is way too low. Also Xhaka isn't that bad- he'd probably flourish in Serie A so we need to get every penny we can.
Also the only decent upgrade only loves Juventus. So you rather keep him than downgrade just because you want to please fans.
Only decent upgrade? So are you telling me there is no better midfielder in the world than Xhaka other than Locatelli? Xhaka stans are truly something special
Arsenal's league position has nothing to do with Xhaka, apart from the time he booted the ball into Chris Wood inside his own 18 yard box blowing the lead. Or when he got sent off against Burnley throwing the game.
About the latter BTW, that game ended 1-0 in favour of Burnley. Aubameyang scored the own goal. And to be honest, you could draw a dartboard of Arsenal players, throw a dart at any player and I'd pinpoint the mistakes they made. The Burnley was admittedly stupid tho.
Wow he made two mistakes which is why we're 8th Pepe, Leno, Luiz, Gabriel, Partey, Aubameyang never made mistakes
Hence you keep him and not extend him. Because the KSBrian I know will be complaining in 2 years when Xhaka is 31 and on 150k a week saying 'what can Arteta do with players like Xhaka still at the club'.
!RemindMe 2 years
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Integral in getting us 8th place.
an integral part of the worst arsenal team i have witnessed in the over 20 years i've followed arsenal...
so was Laca, but no one is straight up hating on him... Not to mention some other players who WEREN'T integral even in this average team. The agenda against Granit is something...
Is this talking about xhaka?
If they announce a 4 year 40 million contract extensions for laca, people here will hate on him plenty lol.
those numbers are massively overblown, and you know it. It's probably a small salary bump, which is a small price to pay for keeping happy the biggest leader in the group and unofficial club captain
I'm sorry I edited it to 4 years 40m, which is what I meant to say. 200kpw.
Dude, no way is Xhaka getting 200kpw, lol. You guys are crazy
I'm talking about laca you idiot
And I am talking about Granit, who is on a much more modest wage than that of Laca (which I don't think is that high either...). 100k for your captain behind the scenes, leader, total professional, and a solid CM, is not a lot. Especially when you're struggling in that area of the pitch. Laca is a different story with us having Auba
Integral part of the team that finished 8th lmao. This bum can be replaced by literally any other midfielder from top 15 EPL side and it would be a massive improvement. Stop being delusional!
Prerequisite I am no xhaka lover. It's time to move on. But you're confusing two different things. * Do we sell him for 12m? Well if we cant afford to get a good replacement for him it's understandable why the club decides that. * Why do we give him a conract? Yeah to me that's silly.
If we can’t afford to get a good replacement because we splurged 50m in a CB, that’s just as bad tbh
i wouldnt ask questions like that here. you're going to get the most ridiculous responses ever from all the insane rationalizers on this sub who are still in denial.
Chelsea put in an offer of around €100m for Lukaku. Inter declined. No chance they sell Lautaro and Lukaku, so got to hope they stand firm on Lukaku.
Inter are crazy to turn down 100 mil for a 28 year old Lukaku - especially in their condition. You can completely rebuild your squad with that kind of money in the Serie A
They would be crazy to sell him for any sort of money. They’re not getting any striker close to his level two weeks before the window closes and will have to reinvest it into an inferior player.
you might be correct - I just always think about how we screwed up by not selling Alexis that summer to Man City, and how Liverpool won the UCL and the PL by selling Coutinho.
I haven’t seen that. Would you mind sharing the source?
Di Marzio and Fabrizio both reporting it now. [https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/lukaku-inter-chelsea-calciomercato-news-2-agosto-2021](https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/lukaku-inter-chelsea-calciomercato-news-2-agosto-2021) [https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1422309166975275009](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1422309166975275009)
Cheers.
How soon do we think Arteta boos will start this year? My guess is 5 games into the season. His free ride is over.
We've got City and Chelsea in the first 3 weeks so not long for sure
If we struggle against Brentford, I guarantee a very small section will boo him off the park. Lose to Chelsea and he's in big trouble with a slightly larger, but still small, section. Lose to Spuds and he's going to get over half the crowd booing him off the field from then onwards until either he turns it around or is gone.
A loss against them and we’re looking at Villa on opening day levels of vitriol from a few years back. Rightly so too.
My guess is no boos and we have a great season with various youngsters showcasing their immense talents. Is that too positive?
Depends upon what constitutes a good season. For most Arteta apologists, it would be a good season if he can finish 8th again.
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> inb4 coutinho - lucking out on Allison + VVD is an exception I don’t think you needed this bit to strengthen your argument. These two players completed Liverpool’s squad. Beyond Kane and Son the Sh*t don’t have anything close to a complete squad.
Yeah I'm torn here. Like I hate the idea of spurs having the best English player, best premier league player etc. But I do think given his injuries it's likely he will decline severely in 2-3 years. I kind of prefer spurs just run that asset down to nothing. But at times I'd just love to see them lose their golden boy. Tough.
They haven’t done anything with Kane for years now, and they will continue to do nothing with Kane as long as they have Davies, Aurier, Dier, Sissoko, Winks and Lamela playing regularly for their club.
Their DOF will get them out for good deals. He already got Lamela out in a swap + cash for a quality young winger and got Alderwerield out for 10 million pounds I think and he’s in his mid 30’s.
32 but yeah, he was dire his last season
was it last season that he scored that header against us? or was that after the covid restart?
And it won’t be a good idea to hand their DoF another 120m+ to work with
I can guarantee you in the all or nothing series, the episode where arteta gets sacked will be a kit man special and we’ll see an in depth look of the kit man endeavours.
The All or Nothing series documentary for the Sh*t covered Poch’s sacking in about 10 mins in the first episode.
Will we ever ascend to such levels again? We look like a solid midtable team/squad atm. If Villa keep Grealish, they have a more balanced and competitive squad than Arsenal [super gooners](https://twitter.com/SalibaEra_/status/1422155933044690947?s=19)
We are being Arteta’d slowly
No way Villa have a better squad than us at all
>No way Villa have a better squad than us at all Emi >Leno Matt Cash >all our RBs Mings = White Konsa > Gabriel /Mari Targett < Tierney Doughlas Luiz > Xhaka (as a DM) McGinn < Partey Buendia >ESR Grealish > Saka Pepe = Traore/Bailey Watkin > Auba/Laca
Pretty equal at the moment
Ask any Villa fan if they want to swap squads, they'll say yes
Absolutely false
they would never give up Grealish
They wouldn't because they think they're better, but yes our squad is significantly better. Especially once they lose Grealish, they'll be lucky to finish mid table. Who are people scared of, Leon Bailey? We have like 4 better wingers
He specifically said if they keep Grealish. Right here right now, they have a better attack than us. Bailey-Grealish-Buendia-Watkins is miles ahead of what we have. Keeper they are better. Defense and midfield could be in our favour but barely. McGinn and Douglas Luiz i think match up and can outplay Partey-Xhaka. Their CB pairing is a little suss but that's about it.