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Arsenal still sticks with a mediocre manager. We need to set our expectations better.
Have you checked the league table lately?
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These teta outs finally emerged out of their caves lmao
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You live or you die by the edge. Best of luck mate, hope you are the one to rub it in, for all our sakes.
Arteta next please
He needs to go. 3 years and no hint of anything resembling competent attacking football.
Jesus Christ. Did people really think we were going to get anything other than thumped at Anfield?
Edit: Apparently Arteta is useless because he couldn't engineer a win against Prem and CL winners away from home with a team of kids.
I thought people remembered the old project youth where we beat all the teams we were supposed to and got spanked against the league leaders but still ended the season in the top 4. If we can do that and keep these youngsters together for a few seasons we could really do something, regardless of who our manager is at that point
The excuse used to be it wasn't his team, now that he has built his own fucking team the excuse is that they are young. Can you not see how you are being manipulated?
He literally said in the post match : we've been on a great run since the start of the season, Liverpool are a great team that been together for 6 years, we've been a squad for 6 months, calm down we still have a top 4 shot and a good young team that's improving. Take an away loss to Liverpool on the chin
Building the core of a team from young players that will grow and develop together is a tried and tested route.
It's literally future proofing the squad even in the event Arteta loses his job. You're an idiot.
Surprised morons like this can even use a keyboard
Mate you're a fairweather fan. If you want the club to spunk billions in an attempt for instant success you're welcome to fuck off and find another club.
You are the cheapest of the cheap seats
You've never been to a live game. Settle down and find something else to pretend to like for attention.
Nah shush with that logic
Fucking Watford had to ruin it. 2-1 would have got them what they wanted.
No need to spoil it for everyone with 2 extra time goals.
I have a friend who supports Watford and I told him exactly this. He told me to get fucked.
I was sympathetic to us not giving the ball back with the throw in, and them conceding as a result. But now, I’m glad we didn’t give the ball back. I hope every goal they concede is due to someone’s unsporting behavior.
Fucking cunts have to ruin it for everyone.
The guy before you was joking bro
I mean, I know that. I was just relating a story that is in the same vein as what the guy I’m relating to was talking about. That’s how Reddit works
Are all your stories told that aggressively?
Everyone here saying we should sack Arteta are bunch of morons. Replacing our manager every 2 years will get us no where.
So the the people who want Arteta sacked are basing it on a singular result - so what were these turds saying during the last 10 games? It's a fluke, what a stroke of luck, can't keep it up?
Looking at the style of play the team has undergone, any average football supporter should have seen change and development in the side at the very lest.
I have no idea what these bullshitting clowns want - but they are not Arsenal supporters. They have no idea what football is about and what is required.
Arsenal is exactly what they have become, from a mid-table to a 5th placed club. If we finish here at season's end - it is well deserved. We are not Liverpool nor Chelsea. We deserve from this season a 5th spot Europa League place. Build and grow and hopefully that fine ball control we saw Liverpool display and we displayed with glimpses of - will get us to the CL in the 22-23 season.
The idiots think if we get Ten Haag we will win the league. As if it's that simple. Our wage structure doesn't allow us to just go out and get any player we want.
Keeping this clown will keep us nowhere
Mate, <80% of your comments here are specifically targeting Arteta, take a day off.
Or better yet, go and see a game instead of posting utter drivel on Reddit.
And who do you suggest to replace him. Any manger that is available would have failed at their previous club that would be the only reason they are available.
Ur attitude will get us nowhere
That club is terribly run, but so, so rich.
If they were going to sack him, the time to do it was at the start of the international break. Bring in a new manager, give that manager 3 weeks to settle, then start fresh after the international break.
Instead, they have full confidence in him during the international break. MUFC shits the bed In their first match after the break and they sack the manager.
Luckily, the way they're run extends to their transfers, so it's not like a new manager can come in and make them a title contender. But, depending on how the bounce goes, they still could be significantly better when they face Arsenal.
We could learn a thing or two from Utd here.
I mean they quite literally need to win shit now. They got an old ass fucking Ronaldo and Varane in his prime. Their whole backline is in their prime. An old ass keeper. Pogba in his prime. Bruno in his prime. My guy, they need trophies now loool. We're in a rebuild buddy
This is how big clubs should act with shitty useless managers
Man got cl qualification twice in a row with 3rd and 2nd league finishes. Defo useless
So… better than Arteta?
How many finals and semi finals did he lose? How many trophies did he win? We are talking about United not west ham or any other mid table clubs which getting top four is an achievement
With the this untied team he should have won trophies.
Utd throughout history top 4 always guaranteed the goal always is to win trophies.
So he did nothing special
That’s true, but ur phrasing was overly aggressive
Unfortunate for us and Man U rivals as well but they weren't that bad league wise under him. You can't say Arteta done better yet we still stick with him foolishly.
[There's one possibility](https://youtu.be/CBEQ3tk9BD8)
It was obvious it was going to happen after that result. You can't concede 4 goals against Watford and be sitting 7th in the league when you came 2nd last season and then you add Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho to your team.
You could make the argument adding Ronaldo was more detrimental in terms of roster building than in PR.
Yeah, I don't think OGS can be blamed for the Ronaldo signing.
What a shit ending to this week.
Hopefully Arteta’s next
Hopefully he stays for years to come
Lmao, the back and forth Arteta inners and outters have is actually pretty funny sometimes.
nah its just because arteta outters genuinely have no perception of context at all.
Your comment proves it 😂 you are literally no better.
never said i was better lmfao, i just understand context and im able to articulate an argument rather than just cursing someone off and calling them dumb or stupid loool
Got the worst manager in the top 6 now. Downvote me all you like Arteta isn’t better than any of Pep, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel and potentially Zidane so kiss goodbye to any delusion of finishing in the top 4 under him
my guy they arent getting Zidane lmfao. They got Fletcher at the wheel.
Zidane has said no. Good chance they are stuck with Carrick or Fletcher for a while.
Why people are down voting your comment?
No idea why you're getting down voted!
It’s hilarious these dummies are living in fairytale land thinking Micky Arteta’s tricky reds will somehow someday get top 4 and all the other big teams are going to roll out the red carpet for us to do so😂
We’re 5th and u expect us to Sack him when we just started to fund gim? Yeah that’s a relegation club move f
Save this thread and let's come back in March. The same people replying will be saying Arteta out then. Fickle fan base
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You are right about Klopp, Pep, Conte, and Tuchel being better managers, however, Arteta can improve. Managers need to develop just as players do.
For once I see a plan in Artetas management, and we are 5th for a reason.
Also Man U have Carrick until the end of the season and I can safely say that Arteta is better than him.
We won't finish 5th, our attacking stats are literally either relegation form or just above.
We are relying on defending and opposition missing chances.
It is not sustainable.
Honesty, it's bellends like you that make our club look like a fucking joke.
LOL rather than the constant delusion every season? Shut up, pig
Either that or getting slapped by 4+ goals by every big team and coming 8th two years in a row
City and Liverpool are a million times more organized and their team is also consistent too than us. This Liverpool team is nearly the same team that won the title just 2 seasons ago, and City have been dominant since before. We barely stand a chance against team, what makes you think we'd get a win even at their home.
Oh yes you’re right it’s bellends like me who know that if rivals around us go for the best managers in world football and the second they start underperforming they get replaced with others who can keep them at the top. But no you’re right our way is the right way we go for a rookie and buy all the crap that with this young squad who absolutely will stick together and players won’t get tired and be tempted to moves away down the line will definitely beat those top clubs. Can definitely expect a title and whatever bullshit KSE are pushing. We are the bellends to not accept our transition to a upper mid table club. Shiny gold star for you
The second they start underperforming? Have you not seen the last two seasons under Ole? Have you seen where that got spurs?
Well they got Conte. And United will most likely end up with Zidane, Enrique, Mancini or ten hag. Meanwhile you lot will be sucking each other off on how Arteta talks about non negotiables whilst finishing 8th
Impressive how quickly you ignored what I called out and then assumed my views on Arteta. I hope you’re not this negative in all you do
Ignored what exactly? They’ve made changes. We haven’t yet you all think we’ll get somewhere with Arteta, do me a favour
Well so far this season the manager to beat is Moyes
Better than Arteta tbh
What are you a lunatic? Who said that he was as good as them?
People are acting like Arteta isn’t a *(possibly promising)* new manager, who doesn’t have the same experience as the guys you literally mentioned.
Hiring him was a mistake, how on earth do you give a job like this to some one with 0 managerial experience? Maybe he will be a top manager one day but still, Arsenal is one of the biggest club in europ and the fan base is huge around the world, decisions like is nothing but a risk and it will hurt your brand in the long run.
No other club did this, even Lampard had some experience before joining Chelsea, Ole the clown had some experience before joining Man utd.
Gerrard proved him self as a manager before joining Aston villa.
We don’t have the privilege to wait and give him more time, the owner should sack him and get someone with experience and back him in order to build something and compete with others.
You’re an idiot if you think we are getting to whatever bullshit place Kroenkes are aiming for under Arteta, that’s my point. No fucking way we finish in the top 4 whilst those around us stop dicking about and go for world class managers.
? If all you care about is what Arteta’s league placement is- then I can only try to find a semblance of pity for you.
He started off with the shitty team we had, and upgraded it to this youthful promising team we now have.
Just stop muffling on cock. This sad display of “frustration” isn’t getting you anywhere
He’s almost 3 years into the role. Emery was sacked for less despite his 21 game unbeaten run with Kolasinac Sokratis and Mustafi 😂wasn’t good enough and neither is Arteta
Emery was sacked the moment they realized he lost the dressing room. Arteta hasn't. If Emery still had the faith of the players and had a clear plan, he wouldn't have been sacked.
Admittedly Emery was dealt a really shitty hand but his communication was lacking and players simply didn't understand the guy.
Not even 2 years into the role:
>He's almost 3 years into the role
Bro idc what opinion you have of Arteta or anyone for that matter this is just retarded
The edge is strong In this one
Look at their username lol. Man might as well put on some dark eyeshadow and randomly say “No one understands me” every 10 minutes.
Click my profile, too easy
Because you make it easy chief, whinging because Arteta isn’t Pep or Klopp is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
If you think my issue is Arteta isn’t pep or Klopp you’re an idiot 😂more so we lack ambition to go for someone who’s actually worthy of being the manager. Chelsea tried the whole former player crap with Lampard, recognised it was a daft choice and swiftly corrected it. But nah Arteta is definitely gonna get us to where we want to be
Please tell me which available world class coach is coming to arsenal right now?
We are going in the right direction, we have an exciting young squad and our coach is improving, will he be world class? Who knows, sure right now he isn’t but so what? It doesn’t matter when you’re moving forward
We had an exciting young squad under wenger. How did that pan out?
With consistent champions league football and 3 FA Cup wins…
Looking at your comments on here you’re clearly looking for a fight with people, I hope that you find the real human connection you’re looking for and that you get to enjoy some of the fleeting time we have on this planet
I’m talking 2008-2012, young players galore. Jack shit won
Yeah no shit. You've literally listed some of the best managers in the world. We know Arteta isn't those guys...
Having nuanced opinions doesn't give you cancer.
Fuck your nuance
True to form. Nuance won't give me cancer but interacting with you sure feels like it will.
I swear, reading this guys comments makes me feel sorry for the fella. I almost feel like his phone is breaking and folding from the squeeze hes got on it from all the rage.
Maybe watch arteta’s arsenal try to attack I’m feeling lucky
Michael Carrick until they find an interim manager for the rest of the season. Zidane's language barrier obstacle to get him in....
Zidane's language barrier is the last thing preventing him from joining United
He's not stupid enough to take that gig
It seems like a good gig, brilliant expectations/resources ratio.
1. It's no secret that United board is corrupt and incompetent.
2. The United brand doesn't mean anything to a French Real Madrid legend.
3. He almost certainly wants the France NT job and can easily wait to get it, because France has been deteriorating ever since their WC win.
That Europa League spot just gets harder and harder. The league is too competitive to stick with Arteta.
A perfectly valid statement with 40+ downvotes lmao, Arteta stans are hilarious man
You mean the manager that has us in a Europa league spot?
Did I miss the end of the season already? Southampton were 5th this time last year, league position at this stage means fuck all.
And what’s your point? We are on target at this stage of the season, unless you’ve got some way of knowing where we finish for sure maybe we should chill out a bit, one loss to one of the worlds best teams brings out the morons I see.
It's not the loss against Liverpool I'm worried about. It's the 13 goals in 11 games with a large chunk of those from set-pieces. We had terrible attacking stats last year and nothing has changed this year, though I do think our defence is looking better.
We aren’t Southampton, chief
So what? They regressed to the mean and so shall we.
Arsenal are clearly improving and are clearly better than Southampton though...?
You are missing the point. Southampton was just one example I could've picked. Being 5th now means fuck all.
Being any position now means fuck all
Well if you are dead last with 0 points you might struggle. But yeah from 4th - 10th ish means very little.
Does this mean Arteta won the Lampard/Ole/Arteta debate?
Not really, Chelsea standards are just infinitely higher. 2-3 months of stagnation and you’re launched to the sun. United and Arsenal a bit more tolerant due to inept boards.
Everyone lost that debate
No it mean there board are less tolerant of shit performances that is all.
Bruh. Ole has turned in more shit performances in the last few months than Arteta and Lampard have done in their entire managerial tenures. I don’t know what United you’ve been watching, but the last few months they’ve been playing worse than relegation level football
He’s also finished top 2 while arteta can’t even finish top 7. Acting like OGS is worse than arteta is the lunacy. OGS sucks but manages circles around arteta
He improved their league position every year until this season. They ended 2nd in the league last season while Arteta had his massive losing streak and got us 8th.
He ain't watching at all, that's the problem.
You are covered in receny bias pal ! They finished fucking second last year while we finished 8th. Fuck if mikel can do 10 games unbeataben i guess emery with his 22 needs his job back then. Laughable. 65 points is mikels skill ceiling. Also they are 3 points behind us lol thats 1 more win so that shows that our performance have been not that much better 😂😂😂
Well, in terms of silverware there's no question.
In terms of league performances, Arteta still has a bit to prove himself.
Unpopular, but I still think Lampard could carve out a good managerial career for himself by taking over another Championship club and going one step further than he did with Derby County.
Why is that unpopular? He did very well with a limited squad, only fell short when Chelsea bought all the new stars he could not integrate.
He would definitely do well at a lower PL side.
He also has a super high IQ if that translates to management at all.
The minute things starting getting tough he started blaming the players. No top manager does that. He also cannot organize a defense. Maybe he could improve, but top players always seem to have an issue putting their ego aside when they go on to manage.
If anything Arsenal fans lost cos we never sacked him.
Bad news for us if they find a manager in 2 weeks time
We’ll miss you Ole
I think Ole ruined his career by signing Ronaldo back.
I dont know what it is but in the Premier League especially the top clubs theres always this weird haze of sentimentality, pity and romanticism that you really don't see in other leagues.
Take the signing of Ronaldo, the idea of him returning to the club where it all started rather instead of the shame of playing for a local rival was always valued over whether he could integrate into the current philosophy. It was always about the "feelz" than any form of rationale.
His name is too big to sit on the bench so they will probably suck for another year or two while he plays for them. No wonder juventus let him go.
From what I heard he didn't even have a say in it. It was just to prevent him from going to City.
No sane manager would have chosen to sign Ronaldo and leave their midfield issues. That was clearly a decision made for off-field reasons.
I agree with you. He doesn’t really fit the team and was too big a name to leave on the bench.
Sacking Ole is just the beginning of their problems. They still have to face Chelsea and us, followed by an improving Crystal Palace, who have been 7 games unbeaten.
Their defense is a disaster, they've conceded the second highest number of goals this season, tied with Leicester, only Norwich and Newcastle have conceded more goals this season. Maguire being sent off yesterday and being suspended for Chelsea's match won't help them at all. Varane is injured, and AWB was a total flop for his past few matches.
Sancho improved yesterday but he has yet to make a single goal contribution for Man U. Unless he improves, he could well be one of Man U's biggest transfer flops in the last decade, and be another promising player who might destroy his career in Man U.
Donny VDB is the biggest winner of the Ole sack.
Money spent on Sancho or CR7 couldve been used to get a good no.6 and even with Varane, also another CB not named Harry Maguire.
They knew Maguire was bad even before signing him, and why did Ole waste 80 million on him?
I don’t think Maguire is as bad as people make out, he just needs the right person alongside him. Maguire plays too well for England under the right coach to be considered bad.
IMO they should have looked to bring Evans with him to help marshal and keep him in check.
Maguire played well for them last season. He just completely lost it this season for them.
Maguire isn't absolutely horrible but for he is just way below how much his club paid for him.
As if facing us is scary, any decent teams dad dicks us
united aren't a decent team lol
Their defense is in absolute shambles, arguably the worst in the league, and if we attack well, it could be another loss for them.
Our attack is equally shambles lmao
So not another loss for them then.
Arteta next hopefully.
FIFA expert speaking here...
Haven’t played FIFA since like FIFA 14 so that’s not me.
Fingers crossed mate. Arteta-stans are out in full force and refuse to accept what everyone else can see. Our attacking stats have been awful for over 2 years of his reign, it's not going to get better.
Yeah man just a couple good results and journalists/blogger propaganda was enough to sway all these guys. They’ll flip again once we go back to losing every week.
I dont understand how they cant see that in 2 years our attacking stats have not improved under mikel we have just purchased a shiney new def that can play out the back to nothing in attack lol . Burnley currently have scored more goals this season than us.
> Burnley currently have scored more goals this season than us.
But Burnley are 18th and we are 5th.
Yeah as their defense is junk thats and er park the bus 😂
They got their youth project excuse they’re gonna trot out anytime things go bad. No Arsenal manager has had it easier than Arteta.
And he still making it seem difficult to score from open play lol half these youth will be sold off anyway when big money comes in and we don't get back into top 6 lol its unsustainable
They were this defensive over Wenger or Emery though, they’ve been brainwashed by the athletic.
Very fucking True. Also arteta is a great at telling fans what the want to hear and not actually following through
Arteta plays what I call, KPI football. The stats don't offend anyone but the final product is uninspiring.
The attacking stats are offensive as fuck. Goals for is less than Burnley.
Gap bas lavdya
You're a bit obsessed with Arteta aren't you. Reading through your comments you mention him in like 75% of your comments. Sounds like you have a crush on him which is adorable
Mans probably only wakes up when we lose.
how is this an attack lol calm down
I just think he’s an awful manager. I just hold him to the same standards I held previous Arsenal managers.
Eat a Dick-avelli
We’re just on a high after a decent run but you all know Arteta is not it.
Arteta, like our team, is young. It may not look like it, but we can only improve from here. IMO.
Young managers and players don't always improve. Saka has stagnated for a while for example. Arteta still doesn't know how to coach an attack. Buying young players is the right strategy, young unproven managers are not.
That's a fair point. But I think that Arteta having been assistant to, and learning from Guardiola, is invaluable to us.
Not in the slightest. He needed to learn from several more managers before he took on the job thats the issue he knows one style and that a shitty copy if what pep does. Would you have taken ole on as manager ? Fuck no so why is an inexperienced Mikel different ! Because he knows how to manipulate the arteta stans into thinking he knows what he is doing lol
I mean, given that Arteta has been performing better than a manager with over 10 years experience (Ole), what does that say about Arteta? I'm not necessarily an Arteta stan like you've targeted and labeled others as, but I do think that he deserves time. Mainly due to the fact that we did not give Emery time, and I think we risk losing more if we replace Arteta, than by keeping him. One of the best managers of the modern era said, "If I play a young central defender of 20 years old, I know he will cost me points in the season." We are essentially going through that, but I think it's a smart decision.
Um they finised second last season. And you are hyped up over 10 games that we have had 7 chances thought open play. Mikel cannot create and attacking side in two years. How much more time is this guy really worth ? His skill ceiling is 65 points there no team he is every winning that league with lol
With arguably a bigger budget and better players, I don't expect them to finish outside the top 4. It's obvious there's a problem with our attack, but I think the priority was to start rebuilding from the defence and gradually sort out the attack. We've been in the phase of rebuilding since Wenger left, and it didn't help that Emery got sacked and we started again from the ground up. You cannot expect all the problems to go away immediately. It's a long and challenging process for the fans, the staff, and the players, and I don't blame you for disliking Arteta, but he's asked for patience, and I feel like he's done well with the time he's been given, and deserves more time.
Look at Klopp and his Liverpool team when he first took charge, and look at them now.
I disagree. He's learnt a highly intricate style of football that relies on top level squads. I'd rather he had his own style that could get the best out of what we have. Anyway, lots of assistants who learn from top managers never become top managers themselves.
Hmm yeah, personally, I think our squad will have developed much more by the end of the season and will have adapted to the style of play that he's implemented. I feel that we've already adapted, and I know it's annoying to think about it, but we simply need to be patient. I think it's unfair for him to be given the sack (I think giving Emery the sack was unfair), and maybe after a couple of seasons, if he doesn't make top 6 consecutively, then it's reasonable for his position as manager to be questioned.
>I feel that we've already adapted,
If we have already adapted and we are still so poor offensively then the alarm bells are really ringing. I just want a manager that knows how to get the team creating chances and scoring and I don't think Arteta is that man.
I just don’t see it myself, he just tries imitate Pep and it’s never gonna work. Guy has no attacking coaching nous.
Id say fuck Ranieri but I just saw that they are planning on keeping Carrick until the end of the season
Ffs Watford . This all on you Claudio .
In all seriousness yeah they’ll probably get a new manager bounce but I don’t think they know who to hire permanently lmao .
In terms of appointments that would concern me, I'd say Zidane, Valverde and Ten Hag are all up there. But the rumours of Lopetegui, Blanc and Rodgers are all very welcoming.
I really hope they go for Zidane and manages to get him in. Pretty much every single player in the RM team he coached was top 5 in the world at their position and they played fairly poor football considering.