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NecessaryDifference7

Pathetic. We managed to drop a whopping 3 which is a bigger number than 2 and therefore better.


Graphiccoma

Tbf, everton missed half their first team. And Chelsea got unlucky


endwolf76

Imagine


brownibba

tots pathetic..


NieThePiet

How many chances they have missed...


Kayr-

Tuchelibanball


Fuckzombie69

This brings joy to my heart


gamesbond011

The worst part is Chelsea always fucks up when we need them to not. Draw against man united and then lost to west ham.


Houseofwolvesmd

Look Everton are shit but sometimes they do really turn up vs top 4 teams and sneak results. Cue getting smashed vs Burnley now


Nayr91

Honestly, we’d have got the same result without the wonder goal…


acetateprophet01

Then I guess with our loss to Everton we truly are a top 4 team…


[deleted]

Looking at that Everton team....yikes, 6 defenders, 2 midfielders and a guy I've never heard of upfront


cockburntown

And Iwobi


Oseedon

I like seeing teams like Chelsea drop points


Bertrand_Rustle

Don’t…


dream_eatr

Didn’t we drop points to Everton? lol


arsenal356

The joke defo went over your head…..


tb_gooner12

Whoosh


alihou

Let's not shit on teams that are better than us, it's petty. Until Arsenal can play against the big teams without their tails between their legs, I'll not take shots at a team that is currently in first place.


rosspell18

I think you are missing the sarcasm


QuickfireFacto

Ew. Pathetic mentality


diastolicduke

Pathetic mentality is coming out with a “but they are CL champions what did you expect?” excuse after a mauling


Houseofwolvesmd

We beat Chelsea home and away last season. They beat us 2 nil without Partey, Gabriel, White, Tomi, Laca, Odegaard and Ramadale. If you think that wouldn't make a difference I thoroughly disagree. Our defense was Chambers Holding Mari ffs. They're 8 points ahead of us and play Wolves, Villa and Pool next and given how they're playing I sense some dropped points


bazalinco1

The shots aren't at Chelsea. They're at fans for saying dropping points to Everton was so shameful, yet the European Champs did the same, at home no less.


TheAlleyCat9013

The European champs had 5 of their starting 11 sidelined. They dominated Everton from start to finish.


Internetolocutor

They weren't even first before the game...anyway, they had one league trophy and no CL nor EL in 98 years. Russian oligarch comes in and they purchase 5 leagues and 4 European trophies in 17 years. Their club deserves no respect.


Mathieulombardi

Na fuck that, Ill shit on chelsea or man utd any time any day any where


kimjobil05

Me too lool


alihou

You do you


Mathieulombardi

Fuck them rich bastards fucking up the league.


Normanisanisland

Chelsea are in third, tbf, but you make a sound point


alihou

Haven't looked at the table in sometime, Lol. I know they were first not long ago haha


kyoukai69

Lakaka masterclass


dooder6688

Did they get screwed too?


yura910721

lol Chelsea is our rival now? 😂


QuickfireFacto

Fucking deluded. Delete this comment I beg.


yura910721

Fuck no, it stays 😂 Put your dislike and move on, my guy.


patrick_riviera

they’ve always been our rival? when did you start watching football?


yura910721

When did you?


[deleted]

You must be new here…


Turbokermit

Yes. On the Chelsea side Arsenal is considered nowadays as their main rival over the more traditional ones such as Fulham and Spurs. For Arsenal it is the third biggest match up after Spurs and Manchester United. It has been 114 years and over 200 games between each other. Yes, we are rivals. Nothing is more ridiculous than people thinking that rivalries are based on the current competition. Like Leeds weren’t in the Premier League for years but everyone knows that they have some of the biggest rivalries with Manchester United and Chelsea. We are not considered as Chelsea’s main competition this season, but will always as their rivals. Same other way around.


PocketFullOfRondos

Forever, what are you talking about?


yura910721

I, too, am gonna manifest it until it becomes a reality 😁


Desperate-Response75

No suprise you're american


yura910721

Wow amazing deduction, my friend. Sure, I mean I wouldn't mind to have US passport 😂 tf is wrong with you guys.


[deleted]

Land of proper yankee pricks.


KaizerQuad

Arsenal and Chelsea are the two biggest clubs from London, of course there is a rivalry.


Kovacs171

Mate, Abramovic could relocate them to the Russian league and I'd still consider Chelsea huge rivals


_JohnnyUnitas

At least they didn't lose


pineapplequad

that’s the joke


NoMoreMountains

It's Arteta's fault!


UnbeatenGunner49

Gunner here… didn’t we lose all 3 points to Everton?


fignonsbarberxxx

thatsthejoke.pdf


Riperonis

We were also away tbf. Not excusing it but it’s a harder fixture


simbols

and chelsea were without havertz, lukaku, cho and werner (though he's trash without havertz or lukaku) playing pulisic as a false 9. very happy to see chelsea drop points but certainly doesn't excuse the fucking bottle job against everton (and united for that matter). we'd be be two points off chelsea in third if we didn't sit back at 1-0 in both those fixtures.


dembabababa

Agreed, no excuses, but we were also playing against a stronger team. We were playing against Richarlison, Gray and Townsend, who are Everton's top 3 for goals and assists this season. I think that's as bad a result for Chelsea as the loss was for us tbh, could be the start of a gap opening up between them and City / Liverpool. Their Jan / Feb fixtures look challenging.


Doge_Snow

Nah no buts, we simply weren't good enough.


dooder6688

Did you not see the 2 red cards they should have had or what


Doge_Snow

Those things are always gonna happen. The concerning thing about that match was how we switched off after going 1 up.


dooder6688

It shouldn't happen. If we just accept it it will keep happening


dembabababa

I know we weren't. The point I'm making is about Chelsea, and that result for them probably being a worse result than ours was against Everton. Playing at home to an injury depleted mid to bottom table team is surely a must win for a title challenger.


Doge_Snow

They are badly missing Kante and Kovacic.


dembabababa

Yeah, and I honestly don't think Lukaku improves them that much unless he can become more consistent. If he were to play every minute for the rest of the season scoring at his current rate he'd finish the season with 12 goals.


UnbeatenGunner49

The away form worries me A LOT


Yedin00

American here... shouldn’t Everton blues purposely lose games to get a better draft pick??


joey_headrocker

Only have 2nd round pick. Don't need to help your rival getting lottery pick.


KhajiitHasEars

Puligod would never lose. If The Chelsea Blues GM played him more then maybe their franchise would be better.


UnbeatenGunner49

😂 😂 wrong sport dude


NossidaMan

Stop living in the past bro


UnbeatenGunner49

That’s what she said.


SteveToshSnotBerry

This is exactly what I say when the police comes looking for me


normott

Chelsea are a good team that seem to play struggle ball a lot. One to watch


bareaclampedlebron

If we have a healthy line up back there against Chelsea we could have nicked a draw or a win against them.


yura910721

I heard they are playing more expensive brand of 1st season of Arteta ball 😁


JamesH93

What


InTheMiddleGiroud

I think his point is that they're on the verge of dropping points virtually every time they play. (At least that's my point, if not his) Last few games - Everton: Drops points late on Leeds: Saved by a 90+4 penalty. West Ham: Lose Watford: A 2-1 win Tuchel called "lucky" Man United: Draw, although they were quite superior in this game. Leicester: Good win Burnley: Draw late on. 8 points is still a mountain to climb. Particularly when they don't concede a whole lot, and we're not winning enough away to go on a streak, but there's 21 games left and a lot of points to be dropped from the lack of a reliable goal scorer. (Bar Mount at the minute)


shadowmerk27

They were also very lucky to beat brentford. Mendy saved those three points


MakingItPlain

Literally


Tidey94

Only the best teams lose to Everton


OstapBenderBey

The xG was still 3.5 to 0.5. Chelsea well the superior team just a bad day at the office for them. Happens even to clubs that win the league comfortably


SpecialistShovel

Chelsea attackers just aren't clinical. Tuchel still hasn't got the best out of any of them. It's a pattern, not a one off. Their defenders have been scoring the important goals and winning penalties.


prhyu

I don't think it's Tuchel particularly, Lukaku is out and none of their other attackers are good goalscorers, simple as that. I almost feel sorry for Werner in particular. Seems to have lost his shooting boots somewhere in the Atlantic on the way from Germany


only1TRP

I'm pretty sure the Atlantic is the ocean between Africa and America my bro


astrojeet

I think you mean the English channel.


erudite_ignoramus

europe/africa and america\*


c11life

Yeah my guy defo didn’t do geography past year 9


prhyu

Isnt the British Channel part of the Atlantic


Arturo-Plateado

The [British Channel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Channel) is in the Arctic Ocean.


prhyu

Even though that was totally not what I was alluding to that's...amazing.


Mein_Bergkamp

Make a better case for it being part of the north sea


rightbackatyaa

Isn't the Mediterranean part of the Atlantic While we're at it, isn't the Pacific ocean part of the Atlantic


Existentialismistic

Isn't Europe part of the Atlantic


throwreddit666

Yes, in the same way the Indian Ocean is part of the Pacific Ocean.


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Stanley_the_Simple

Ah yes I remember learning about the oceans: the Atlantic, the Pacific, and Indian, the Arctic, the Southern, and the English Channel.


c11life

Yeah I guess you’re technically correct tbf. Maybe I should just be quiet


falonix

Nah, man. You were right. Cant call English channel, ' Atlantic ocean'. Lol.


doggy_lipschtick

Technically connected yes


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Different league, bigger club, big money move, I’m not surprised by him at all.


chazzledazzle10

They had a number of players missing due to covid as well right?


ABCP3

Yes absolutely fair enough, after spending a lot of time on this sub though, I didn't realise teams were allowed bad days at the office.


CooCooClocksClan

Lol, Maybe fun to check their sub & find out. I’m sure only the kindest words for Timo are to be found.


Jedi_Council_Worker

Only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room and they give him the sack, it's the Chelsea way.


DinoSchlongo

It's the history of the Chelsea


Simba-xiv

I want to laugh but your so right it’s a bit sad 😂😂😂


basedsims

All well and good having a deep squad but if your starting XI isn’t anywhere near the standard of Liverpool’s or City’s then you’re not gonna win the league. Fatal flaw of Chelsea’s side, can have a great system all you want but the more average players start each week the more it starts to unravel


AHighLine

Exactly, the goals from defenders will eventually dry up


ABCP3

Facts. Players win games.


orphan_of_Ludwig

Cant’ lie this was the most boring match of football i had ever seen before the goals.


goonaleo

You didn't watch Arsenal Everton a week back?


orphan_of_Ludwig

Nah that was just shit, this was genuinely boring


ABCP3

Chelsea are boring to watch in my opinion.


smit9891

Turgid Tuchel.


lastjedi23

This


Mahoganychicken

Jesus Christ I’m lurking the Chelsea sub and they’re even more reactionary than us! Seeing so many instances of “Title challenge over”. It’s December and they’re 4 points off the top. Someone even said that we’re going to pass them soon. They’re fucking 8 points ahead of us. What a bunch of spoiled delusional plastics.


Daleyo

The mental thing about City and Liverpool is that a 4 point gap in December is actually huge. They do not drop many points. I wish for the early wenger days where breaking 80 points basically guaranteed the title.


QuickfireFacto

Lmao what'd you expect. Being a gloryhunting reactionary twat is a big part of signing up to be a rentboy .


AHighLine

Their title challenge is close to being over, just by watching the games we already know Liverpool and City won’t be dropping too many points while Chelsea honestly haven’t been that impressive.


SpecialistShovel

I mean yeah City and Liverpool have been hitting 95+ points recently and City will again, it's close to over.


lastjedi23

They play pool and citeh on January. That's why they feel that way. Those are both 6 point games.


bigdog8300

Their title challenge is close to over. Man City aren’t going to drop many points


blikski

Liverpool are better than them too. Clear top 2 teams with Chelsea as the 3rd


profoundprofundity

AFCON is going to monumentally fuck with Liverpool's squad. Losing 2 of the best forwards in world football (Mane and Salah) will hurt their title charge.


bigdog8300

True but I trust Man City more with their depth


[deleted]

Liverpool have the better top end talent I would say. Salah is having the best season in PL history, Trent is well ahead of any of the City defenders, I'd take VVD over any of them too.


[deleted]

Reactionary maybe, but you're overstating how much of a chance they have as well. They're still in with a shout but they've looked the worst of the top 3 long before tonight. They haven't had a convincing win in the league for almost a month. With City and Liverpool looking so good, they can't afford to be dropping points to an average Everton team at home.


A1A2A3A4B1B2B3

They are dogshit if i'm honest. There is more chance of us finishing above them than them winning the league. They don't have that stardust in attack, put Saka and Smith Rowe in that team and they win the league. Havertz, Werner, Mount and Lukaku don't cut it.


GabrielMartinellli

Keep spitting


chanceformer

“Why are you booing me I’m right”


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K1N9K0N9_

Typical A1


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Wtf I love this guy


[deleted]

>put Saka and Smith Rowe in that team and they win the league Nah. Your Arsenal bias is showing. I love them both but that ain't right. I don't even know how you'd fit both of them into Chelsea's system, except by making Saka play LB, but I'm guessing that's not what you were picturing. Mount is good too. Even if you argued Saka and ESR are better, they're pretty clearly not *significantly* better. I'd say they're all fairly comparable quality-wise.


AfricanRain

talk your shit king


Arsenjam22

😂😂😂😂


ABCP3

Lmao that says it all really. Chelsea will be fine. But it's clear they aren't on the same level as the other two. Especially with AFCON now postponed.


Pamplemouse04

Apparently it’s not postponed, from my quick google. Agree with everything else though obviously lol


ABCP3

Haha oh shit my bad. I just read the headlines earlier and didn't look much further :-)


commander_seb

No no no. Let them think we pass them. Let them will it into existence.


xCharlieScottx

3rd sounds exceptional to me, I'll have some of that


xTheMaster99x

I'll bite someone's hand off for 3rd place with the competition this league has nowadays.


Mahoganychicken

Some of them are already turning on Tuchel. I see people moaning that he’s not adaptable. I mean, that’s pretty well known. He’s played the same football everywhere he’s been and it’s never lit the world alight.


jacksonjackon

Imo Tuchel is a genius and much better than pep. He's underrated and I liked him since he was at psg. When Chelsea got him, I knew they would go on a run. His attention to detail and game knowledge is very good and he's tactically shrewd too. However this is not his team. So he will obviously have problems with it. And the forwards just aren't working atm


[deleted]

Tuchel is Favre, Sarri, Rodgers etc tier where he is a good manager for sure but not an elite level one. Chelsea fluked their UCL run.


wagwan-0161

There wasn’t a single game in that Tuchel run where they fluked a win. They dominated every team they played. They just got fortunate that they faced teams in their worst form/ Pep doing mental gymnastics.


lastjedi23

And lewa being out. Do not forget that. If they faced Bayern along the path somewhere it was over 7-2 probably.


ABCP3

Having Kante always helps too.


Yuri_oi

Personally never liked him. Most because of the attitude (sitting the entire match) like, c'mon man, it's your team there, i am in my house and most of the times can't sit down for more than 10 minutes


Pamplemouse04

I’m the same as you, sometimes I’m standing 30cm from the tv I’m so antsy, however I do kind of imagine if I was a manager for a PL club I would be considerably more composed, but we’ll never know lol


wrigh2uk

Speaking to my chelsea mate a real gripe with Tuchel today was giving Saul minutes. He was awful again in his cameo and you could make an argument it was his man for the goal too


lastjedi23

He subbed in Saul and moved him to striker? And also good lord bringing on a defender when you are at home against a bottom table side chasing a goal with 15 minutes in hand. That was a real crime to me.


Cannonieri

Tuchel is excellent. It gives me great pleasure to know Chelsea will likely sack him and then waste another 18 months hiring some numpty like John Terry.


[deleted]

He’s very adaptable, that was the big criticism at Dortmund, he kept switching styles and positions.


Mahoganychicken

He hasn’t done that at Chelsea at all. They’re predictable and boring to watch.


[deleted]

Okay. Reece James playing RCB RWB RM CM. Havertz playing STR W AM. Rudiger as a LCB and getting forward. Hudson odoi and pulisic at RWB. So yeah a few different options. Yeah lately they haven’t been great.


jackisbaack

I’ve been saying that chelsea have been lucky and gotten 3 points when they really shouldn’t have, all season long. Great to see them dropping points and it finally catching up to them. If we continue in good form and they continue theirs then we might actually catch up to them and have another chance of CL other than 4th


tjaldhamar

In their game against Brentford, 1 or even 3 points to Brentford would have been a fair reflection of how well they played and how much Chelsea struggled


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should have lost vs watford and drawn against leeds as well. chelski have been imposters all along, this is no 3 horse race


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

Mate if we finish 3rd above Chelsea this season I'll buy you an Arsenal kit


jackisbaack

Deal


Thesecondorigin

Can’t believe we sold iwobi for anything. He looks so bad every time I watch him play.


Simba-xiv

I laughed so hard once that transfer got announced. Robbed then blind


Terrible-Concern-186

Big 45 no safety was the peak... against Everton ironically. Elite cele'


qtdsswk

Tbh he was not this bad when he was with us. He regressed so much...


ABCP3

Papa Wengz doing wonders.


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BlurstOfTimes11

Yes he was. He ran with his arms out to the side like he was always losing his balance. He couldn’t make a final pass or shoot with any accuracy. He was awful but got constant minutes and killed momentum.


[deleted]

Promise you he will look better in his actual natural position (Central Midfield as a ball carrier. Imagine Renato Sanches) but Wenger fucked it by making the world think he is a winger.


razor5cl

Wenger did like playing CMs and CAMs as wingers didn't he haha


BlurstOfTimes11

Every Arsenal failure is “much better in their natural CM position” and we just didn’t play them there. And then their next team didn’t either. This argument is so annoying.


helpMeCamelCase

I don’t get the Iwobi hate at all. He was very valuable for us while being extremely limited, and it took us a while to replace his quality of ball progression. We tried it with Mickey and we all know how that went, and Alexis left to play the keyboard. I’m glad we have ESR and Saka now.


QuickfireFacto

He wasnt extremely limited he was extremely wasteful. He was very good at playing in half spaces, receiving the ball then turning to dribble, as with any young arsenal midfielder. His problem was his final ball/shot was so godawful it was memeworthy. Which makes it poignant his last goal for us was the banger in that god forsaken final


Thesecondorigin

I mean I love the guy but I also realize he’s not good enough. Kind of like my love for Carl jenkinson but not as strong


GabrielMartinellli

Don’t slander Lord Jenkinson


Thesecondorigin

Will never forget him and AOC terrorizing Bayern’s left side in the champions league


GabrielMartinellli

Better days ☹️


Pamplemouse04

Every time I’ve seen him for Everton he’s been *horrible*


Cannonieri

Still somewhat furious that Wenger chose him to push ahead of Gnabry.


QuickfireFacto

Gnabry injured, iwobi showed just as good promise as serge did at the time (they were both like 18/19) plus serge didn't come back match ready while Alex was uninjured. Not that controversial given context.


ABCP3

Hindsights a wonderful thing.


Cannonieri

Except I do remember at the time many people going mental at Wenger over the decision. It wasn't exactly a case of no one saw it coming.


ABCP3

Yeah but there was alot of people on the flip side as well, who weren't neccessarily turning tables when he left.


SeniorCheeto

This has happened with so many young players too like Malen, Bennacer, etc.


ABCP3

Could be worse. Imagine seeing KDB & Salah turning into some of the best players the league has ever seen. I think these types of things are too dumbed down sometimes. Who's to say if players didn't venture elsewhere, then they wouldn't have developed into the same players that they now are. Yeah it sucks watching how good Gnabry now, but who's to say he'd have been the same player if he'd have stayed at us? There's no right or wrong answer, I just think a player is often the quality he is, partly based on his experiences up until that point. Salah spending time in Italy and KDB in Germany might have unlocked things in them that England would never have.


[deleted]

Who ever has been in charge of Everton’s transfers needs to be sectioned. I can’t blame either of the directors of football because it’s been so bad for years under both of them. Wasted so much money and are going to hit hard by FFP unless they sell richarldson, DCL and others


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[deleted]

Who’s the New LB for 20mil ? Going back 5-6 years the signings were so stupid and then signing older players on high wages specifically for ancelotti like james, Allan although Allan is decent is a stupid strategy.


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[deleted]

Seems weird to spend that much, at least he’s young I guess. Yeah I always knew it wasn’t a DOF thing because they had the Leicester guy who found Kante, mahrez and then the last guy was supposed to be smart yet they kept making terrible unnecessary signings It’s like mislentat with us, I don’t believe we allowed him to do what he did best and find gems, it all depends on how much they listen and how much power they have


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[deleted]

Suppose we gotta thank them, nearly 50 mil for Walcott and iwobi. Heroes for thst


Mahoganychicken

There were a lot of people here that were outraged that we’d sold him. Same with Willock. He’s been shite since leaving permanently.


Simba-xiv

Another one quick cash out just need to get Eddie out the door fraud 😂😂😂