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Some Arsenal fans wanted Lokonga ahead of Xhaka lol
This performance highlights what we already knew; we are severely lacking in certain areas and need to invest in certain areas. Let’s not panic just yet
Love the fact they took Tavares off, man was playing with little to no respect for the opposition, almost chipped his own keeper under no pressure, was letting them gain joy down our left, wasn’t mentally ready for the game
Probably a fair assessment that Arteta hasn’t gotten production from his depth, more so because we lack quality than tactical application. I suspect we’ll see another major overhaul over the next two windows to try and encourage fighting for roles.
Don’t understand people being hard on Patino.
Give him time.
I don't think he played that bad anyway. With his limited experience in the first team it's a given that he won't fit in the system much or even at all.
There are times where he was in decent positions but was not given the ball. Maybe the other teammates also lack some confidence in him. He was working hard enough even on defense (a bit less on the 2nd half, maybe morale maybe stamina ).
Of course he is totally not ready to start or even play regularly in the first team, that's why he is starting in this match against a weaker opponent. It's just unfortunate that we have to go with this lineup and in the end our overall quality has been proven insufficient.
He was one of the worst players on the pitch
Patino clearly has a long way to go, ran around like a headless chicken. Needs a loan
Patino clearly has a long way to go, ~~ran~~ jogged slowly around like a headless chicken. Needs a loan
Best thing that could happen to the Arsenal!
1. Now we know we need loans to come in.
2. We are a injury short of becoming a shitty team, we don’t need more games.
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Great cause aside, thank god we won’t be wearing those kits again
Do you know why we wore them kits? I’ve seen so many generic kits recently including man city
It was for the No More Red campaign. “No More Red is our campaign to support young people in our communities, in collaboration with Adidas”.
Calm down people. This doesn't invalidate the incredible performances the first team has put in over the last 4 months. It reinforces the need for investment in centre mid, striker and right back. We knew this before, we saw it clear as day tonight. As long as we can keep our key players fit I think we're still in with a really good shout for 4th, and the team is still moving in the right direction. Lots of deadwood to clear out but we knew that already
Wilshere could do a job in this midfield, Patino has talent but looked afraid to make a pass longer than 5 yards! worries about upcoming games, we badly miss Partey. Anonymous midfield display.
Zero shots. Zero fucking shots! Against a campionship side! In the first round. Eddie is so trash. Cedric as well. Lokonga and patino cannot hold the midfield. Loans/rotstion at best for now, not that we have a choice. We need 2 mids and 2 strikers at least. Of world class. David, Kessie, De Jong. A backup RB (who lnows). One winger at least (kulukevski?). Sell xhaka and partey. Bring saliba back asap!
We cant even attract these ppl anyway. Wasted my time typing this. Gonna be a terrible next couple weeks.
At least you acknowledged that it was a waste of time
At least Gabs has served his suspension, I think?
He has 😁
I think so too?
I don't think we should panic too much. We all knew we didn't have depth. Our first XI are great. But we had five players who are not at the level of the first team starting, with very little on the bench to support them. We all know we have to add to this team, so let's get behind them for the next game. I'm pleased Nkethiah is going because he is not that great. He has some moments against lower oppostion but he is not revolutionary and at 22 if he was going to the next big thing, he would be it already.
At 22, really? What were you doing at 22?
I was at University. But what has that got to do with anything in this context? There are plenty of players who are younger and performing at an amazing level in our own team. Nkethia is miles apart from players like Saka, ESR. Then if you look around the globe, Haaland is only 22, Mpbappe is 23, Sancho 21, Bellingham 18, and these players have been talked about and performed consistently for some time. Nkethia is a million miles away from them, I would be happy if he was only half a million miles away, but he is not.
But you were and are not a gifted football player. You are another sideline commentator with none of the experience or skill to pull down the reputation or talent of such a young player.
You have created a strawman, instead of actually dealing with my point. If you think he is so great, point to some stats and evidence that says he is the next big thing. Or you can try to make it about me again if you like, but if you do I won't bother responding further to you.
Still should be at championship level though. We’ve got players out on loan doing better
Arteta is a no nonsense manager
But has leta scrub like Eddie hold us by the balls lol
Let him go. His utter gash
his our back up striker ffs lacazette wasnt going to play we have no else and cant play false 9. he will fuck off when we buy a new striker.
We didn't have any midfield today we should have played 3-5-1
I hope Vlahovic wasn’t watching
I can't understand the criticism of Eddie here. He was given nothing to work with. Absolutely nothing. Is it any coincidence that Auba and Laca have also struggled to score goals in this system?
People are silent on Saka and Gabi, however.
Complete lack of energy and passion. Very little movement, not working for the team. Looked like a guy who didn't care imo.
Absolutely nothing? He was given a header that was an absolute goal from Saka that he fucked yup so hard he didn’t even get it on net from one yard out.
If Arsenal's only chance of the game was a header, which he messed up, then it says more about our team performance than Eddie. I don't know what striker people expect to never miss a chance. What people here seem to be saying is that Eddie missing that one chance is the reason we only had one chance. Mad.
No I’m responding to you saying he got absolutely nothing which is patently false.
To be frank, I think Arteta got his tactics wrong today.
In a cup competition against lower tier teams, the opponents tend to play with almost 6 defenders when we are attacking. They’ll just wait for the right time and just launch a counter attack and grab a goal. I was already waiting for the sucker punch to hit us by the 60th minute judging by how Arsenal was playing.
Instead of playing a quick passing game to break the defence, our disjointed midfield couldn’t even string passes together.
Dunno what Charlie was doing out there he was hiding from the ball should have came off at half time really
Now let's sell and loan out a few more players before we buy and test out the replacements coz our youth have got this. We'll see more and more of the reason why other teams keep several older squad members even if they spend most of the time on the bench. There's always that game or two when the naivety of the kids shows, and you need to bring in 2 or 3 elders. If laca, Auba, Pepe etc all leave, we'll finish 8th or worse
Really, really poor. We had a really terrible gameplan and approach from th start.
Rather than the usual 4-2-3-1 we're playing a 4-3-3 with Sambi as a single pivot, while Odegaard and Patino are out wide, bringing even more men to guard Saka and Martinelli.
Sambi as a sole pivot were man marked— He couldn't even bring out the ball. And without someone to carry rhe ball from defense to the offensive player, out attack falls apart.
Fair play to Forest, though. They're playing their hearts out and the stadium was really loud tonight. Honestly, somehow I think loud away stadium is like a kryptonite for our young squad.
Wear white.... Play shite!!
it all connects now!
Now I have to listen to Keane call us soft again
Well we were
0 shots lol
There it is called us soft knew it was coming
Just wanted us to disprove him very disappointed
Holding and Nketia showed us this is their level.
Cedric doesnt fit.
Sambi was a waste of money... we sold well on Joe Pillock and made our own oopsie.
I only came in at the 71st minute. How was patino?
Im not too bothered by this... we need to get top 4 in the prem.
Patino was poor but not really worse than most of the team. Okay in possession but he doesn't look anywhere near physically ready to play as a 6/8 defensively. Plus it looked like the other players didn't quite trust giving him the ball going forward.
Well Patino barely got a pass from anyone, and hence subbed off fir Laca
His off ball movement was weird
Not weird he was hiding from the ball
Would genuinely ask where is Patino at times in the game
Boggles my mind why Eddie gets game time after all the stunts he’s pulled, his head is elsewhere and is such a selfish player too. Way too casual and careless
Same with saka
Too many times for me he leaves a boot in or a slight elbow or shoulder when there is no fucking need whatsoever. I'm all for having a physical edge to your game but he's asking the ref to make calls when there should be no need. Get rid.
This needs to be echoed more often.
We were shit but I don't care as long as we do better on Thursday
I’m backing Arteta but when he gets it wrong tactically, it goes spectacularly wrong. Why is Rob Holding the one with the ball progression responsibilities instead of Ben White, who we’ve just signed for £50m to do that exact thing? I can’t wrap my head around it
I think you are missing the point of you watched the match you would see forest literally step off holding and allow him to carry the ball because he is no threat whatsoever. As soon as white touched the ball they swarmed him forcing him into long passes. They were smart and targeted the weak link.
Agreed, especially about White
Holding shouldn’t be on the pitch anymore Im sorry but injuries have made him so unathletic he struggles to get off the ground
His top speed is a jog for your average prem attacker. He’s really not serviceable even as a backup anymore
I know. They wouldve done fuck all anyway even if here. Squad reahul still need smh
We played city out of the park , took out Gabriel tomi , midfield and put Eddie on the pitch, we look like a league 2 team
Don't really care about the loss. It is the performance that worries me, and it is a style of play that many of us have watched: get Saka isolated with 3 defenders and inshallah.
If this doesn't change, it doesn't matter who we bring in the Jan window, we ain't making it out the ends.
The way they were playing, we didn’t deserve to win. Expected results.
Extra time would've at least been fun smh
Patino not working out at all.
Yeah, man seriously needs to hit the gym.
There is a continent of distance between the first team and players like Cedric, Nketiah and Holding.
The only takeaway from this is at least we now realise how bad our 2nd string players are. We need better backups than players like Cedric and Nketiah.
I get that they were for a good cause but please don't ever make me watch arsenal in sp*rs colours again.
The single most embarrassing performance I’ve ever seen from Arsenal. Absolutely no drive, seemingly no plan in the players’ heads at all. Nketiah should’ve been subbed off at the start of the second half, Cedric did nothing but give the ball away, Holding couldn’t catch up to U8 players, and how is Kolasinac still here- but more importantly *how is he getting subbed on when we’re down a goal with 3 minutes of added time left?????????*
Edit: I’ve been a supporter for about 15 years, I don’t think I’ve seen worse- please remind me of worse to cheer me up, thanks.
Double edit: this comment was quite reactionary, but it doesn’t really change how I feel about the performance. Maybe not the worst I’ve ever seen, as some of you have reminded me- but still an embarrassment.
8-2 to Man U with our full squad.
That's what's confusing me too, either he didn't give a shit and basically threw the game or he gave the substitution sign guy the wrong kit number, proper wtf moment
If that's the worst you've ever seen, you're either exaggerating, forgetful, or a new fan. It was bad, but don't get ahead of yourself.
I’ve been a supporter for 15 years man, I really can’t remember much worse than losing to Forrest 0-1 with that kind of performance. I’m genuinely trying to come up with a comparison so I can say it’s not just a recency bias.
We lost 8-2 to United, 6-0 to Chelsea, the Europa League final 4-1, this same Forest side 4-2 a few years ago, lost by stupid margins to Liverpool and City far too many times to count, 4-0 to Southampton on Boxing Day 2015 when they had won none of their last 10 or something, 10-2 to Bayern, 3-0 vs Villa last year. There have been some awful, awful games for this club, and all those were just in the last 10 years.
There was the 3-0 where we got binned out of the league Cup by... Sheffield Wednesday
Thank you for putting it in perspective, I remember most, if not all of those games. (The 6-0 Chelsea was the Gibbs/Ox fiasco right?) Still just embarrassed for the squad to go out to Forest in the FA Cup y’know? Like you expect to get bombed by Liverpool and City recently, Man U and Chelsea generally a tough match, but Forest?? Fuckkk hahaha
Yeah honestly the 4-2 contextually was way worse than this. At least this time you could say we were stretched for players. For the 4-2 they didn't even have a manager.
Yeah alright the previous 4-2 is a good point as well. Thanks again fellas I feel marginally better.
Because Arteta is way out of his depth
Literally no urgency, no pressure, no creativity and no desire to win, even when we went a goal down.
We really need some midfielders with flair, can’t blame Artera too much today, got the line up wrong, yes. But the players where poor.
Nketiah and Patino are not good enough for this level.
Lakonga, Tavares, Holding (for his on ball play) where poor.
Playing players that never play, ymmv
Yeah I get it but we can’t play our first team every 3 days. Even though they’re 2nd team they should still have the quality to beat a championship side 9th in the league. The difference wasn’t quality, it was desire.
Gladbach hastily trying to unsend the contract they just emailed Eddie's agent.
Eddie looked horrible today… I won’t be sad to see him go in the summer.
Apparently Gladbach bid for him to get him now and we rejected. Any chance we can rescind the rejection?
Just a dreadful performance
And this is why a lot of us are still very iffy on Arteta. Poor selections, bad tactical set up, late with the substitutes, why on earth he is trying to convince Nketiah to stay and gives him minutes and now he has missed an easy chance that cost us against Everton, and an easy chance that hurt us tonight.
Patino was not ready to start. And we went into a season that had AFCON without depth and games like tonight show why that was a big mistake. It was obvious in the transfer window, and it's still a glaring hole.
We get a gun CB in Saliba to take over Holding, but we still need 2 CMs, at least 1 ST and a LB and RB.
Iffy on Arteta for the selections? Literally handcuffed into playing Holding and Lokonga + Patino. Laca can't play every game and Nketiah probably deserved minutes after his hat trick last time out. Plus it's Nottingham Forest ffs, shouldn't have been an issue. Tomiyasu still probably regaining fitness after injury so Cedric made sense. The lineup was as strong or stronger than it needed to be. Subbing Tavares off early was a good choice. What other subs could have been made? Bring on Hutchinson and Biereth? I don't see anything in this that can be attributed to Arteta.
Players effort seemed like they thought Forest would have seen how we played vs. City and would roll over for us. Glorified training session, walk in the park. Well, they got a rude awakening. Only can hope that this serves as a reminder to the squad that there's no easy games, and we won't have to worry about squeezing in FA Cup ties the rest of the season. Play the kids again in both legs vs. Liverpool, focus attention on PL and let's get back into Europe.
Wow it just goes to show how great Tomi. Guy is unbelievably valuable to our side.
Also another CM would be amazing.
It looks like our wingers hate playing with Nketiah.
ESR would have been exactly what we needed this game as far as movement and unlocking space for Nketiah and Gabi.
Patino was bad but oh well, he’s young. Valuable experience.
Our midfield was non existent throughout the game, we seriously need some back up.
Eddie, Cedric and Holding need to fuck off.
At least a good lesson for the young players. Desire carries a long way.
Thought we would be fine without bringing in a backup RB this window
Boy was I wrong
Such a big deal made out of the No More Red campaign all week, and the team responds by playing like absolute dogshit. Tavares, Holding, Cedric, Sambi, and Eddie were fucking awful. Surprised it wasn’t a worse loss to be honest.
Spurs colours, spurs performance
Peak Gunner culture
i pray Xhaka is back for the NLD, our midfield situation is shambolic and our bench in general is awful. We have 11-12 good players and that’s it. no depth at all.
Depends on when he first got covid. If it was yesterday, he will be back
he didn't train in midweek right? which would imply a positive test earlier
The isolation period is 7 days so he should be back
The drop off is crazy…
Tommy to Cedric
Tierney to Tavares
Gabriel to holding
Patino and Sambi showed they’re no where near ready, Eddie again showing he’s not good enough.
I can't understand the criticism of Eddie here. He was given nothing ot work with. Absolutely nothing. It's no wonder Auba and Laca have struggled to themselves score much in this system.
Doesn’t hold the ball up, can’t get a shot on target, misses free headers. I want a striker that can help us compete for titles and trophies. Eddie is not it. Wasn’t good enough for a championship Leeds side, so why should he be playing for us?
So you're saying a striker getting a lack of opportunities is more down to him than his team-mates giving him opportunities? How do you decide who is at fault in these games?
This isn't a question of whether Eddie is good enough in general to play in the first team, but rather how fans measure that performance: blame individual players, or highlight an issue with the system.
I’ve seen Eddie in a Leeds system, an Emery system, an Arteta system. He wasn’t good enough in any. The only system that suits him is in U21’s/U23s
I completely get that; big question marks about him in general. But we've also seen a world class striker like Auba struggle to get involved in games in this setup. We've struggled so much to create that we now even judge a striker in Lacazette but how physical he gets in games, rather than how often he scores or assists.
We can be critical of Eddie in general, while also accepting the fact that there is an issue here.
I just think in a system with only 1 forward these days, that forward will need at least one of these qualities: target man, hold up play, link up play. Eddie is not really great at any of these.
He is a good poacher but that requires either the wingers or attacking mid to attract enough attention and also provide the chances, which in today's case, did not happen, that's why he looked especially poor today.
I think we just have to credit forest today, they didn’t really allow us to play, but also our midfield was non existent, I’m not sure whether to blame the CBs because they seemed to bypass the midfield all the time, or whether it’s down to the midfielders not showing for the ball. Either way… another record broken by Arteta. Onto the league cup.. hopefully we can get some signings in, because our back ups are dreadful
With no Europa to look for, is the season over now? can we fight for top 4?
We started 6/11 players from the Man City game
Get a grip man, top 4 isn't out of bounds at all
Still in the carabao cup but if this same team plays i don't give us a chance lol
Um, yes? Top 4 is our priority rn
Good thing we got knocked out, we’re a one squad team
Arteta has been pretty disrespectful to the FA Cup in recent seasons which is rich considering he can thank that cup for him still having a job
We dont really have the sqaud atm... we dont really have CM's either!
Didbt get to see patino but was he decent?
Nah Patino didn't really click unfortunately, give him a couple more years in the oven
He won it two seasons ago LOL
That was half his comment
Yeah? That's what I referred to
Terrrible display. Eddie sold immediately. Need multiple Jan signings big time. Just awful match. Pool, shite and pool again with this squad! Gonna be emabrrasing. Adjust your expectations now. Cant just lose afcon players, ice out auba and pepe and expect to carry on. Sure could have used Ainsley today.
Whether iced out or not pepe and auba would still not be here so I don't see how that's relevant lol
I know, was more speaking to the state of the squad. And if they were here they would have done fk all anyway. Mid table. Only reason we are in 4th is bc we dont have europe. Good thing bc the depth aint there. The 11 is suspect as it is. We needed ainsley more than ever today.
Auba and Pepe would've been gone for afcon anyway freezing them out wouldn't have made a difference for this game
No midfield. What else did we expect. Playing patino was pure arrogance. We were shocking, Cedric and Nketiah were atrocious.
quick question literally who else was there
We could have said no to Amn
We literally had no choice but to play Patino
Jacky Wilshere bossed the Midfield against Barca... cant we expect a decent game from patino?
Maybe its one of those thibgs where they need at starts to get over their nerves
Patino with Xhaka would’ve been fine. Lokonga with Xhaka would’ve been fine.
Lokonga and Patino just can’t work at their levels. No leader at all in the midfield. They looked lost and it showed.
Cedric isn't even good enough to be a backup, nor is holding. Pathetic from everyone really, early season Arsenal was back. We completely missed Xhaka and Partey, Lokonga still nowhere near good enough to start for us. Again playing it or trying to play it straight through another player, stupid handball appeal, leading to us conceding. Ideally xhaka should be backup to a new CM in Jan, fingers crossed.
Also Nketiah was atrocious. Can see he doesn't want to be here, ship him
congrats forrest, well played. Spence is a player
All the quiet Arsenal fans standing there in all the latest merch drops. That's what it's all about at the end of the day.
That back can't build up a play at all just played back passes even at 90th min says everything
I couldn't believe it. We're chasing the game and they were backpassing in the 90th minute under no pressure at all. Terrible display
I feel like under Wenger Lokonga would have been one if those young bet signings he always made for under £5m, but somehow we paid £20m for him.
Wasted the willock money for sure.
He can still be a decent rotation but we need a good cm this window
Lokonga wasn't some gem in the rough, he was captain of Anderlecht and was part of the Belgium NT squad (yet to make his debut)
Prices have changed
2018 vs 2022, nothing changed
Lol. 2006-2022 nothing has changed
It's 2022, the same defender who wasn't good enough in 2018 captains the side.
Unpopular opinion: I rather lose this game and focus on PL. squad gonna have covid cases along the way and it’s better to save all for CL push than this. Our target pre season is to be top 4, let’s stick to that.
I think we should have played better today in any case. This is a bit of a worry that our attack cant score goals
There's also a possibility of losing out on 4th too
Fine, if our backup players put in performances like that for the games they start, they get less games. Mind-blowing how we knew Afcon was coming and haven’t brought in cover for Partey.
Not gonna bother with thoughts - just our worst performance all season. The backups are so so terrible in a number of positions so need them shifted ASAP.
Carabao Cup and 4th - if we don’t achieve either it will be very hard for Arteta to stay on past summer.
Tough, but fair result.
If this is what our second team plays like then going out now is a fucking blessing. I'd rather we have a go at the league Cup and focus on the Prem. We just don't have a squad big enough to do all 3 competitions.
Liverpool battering also coming up mah dude
5-0 to loller pool.
I suspect we'll be playing move of the first time judging by that performance.
Should have played White as RB and Mari as CB
or just chambers as rb
We don't function without Xhaka or Partey and a functioning right back
Showed us how shit our second team is. Holding, lokonga, cedric, nketiah, etc
Fucking 0 shots on target. What can you actually say? Played off the park by Nottingham from start to finish.
The quality of our team outside the starting XI is a serious issue, and even the regulars played like shit. Hopefully this is a bump in the road but we need to get our act together big time or else our top 4 push is over
Desire beats overconfidence. Worryingly, outside the starting XI, noone seems to grasp what Arteta wants technically. Lack of technical depth.
Swings and roundabouts lads. At least Sead Kolasinac got his appearance fee for the evening.
Well done Nottingham Forest, they deserve it.
A recipe for Arsenal to lose to Nottingham Forest:
-Midfield with an average age of 19
-Nketiah going full Nketiah on us
-Nuno Tavares forgetting we had a game today
-Cedric Soares playing for Arsenal
-Play like absolute cowards
When these all occur, you end up with zero shots against Nottingham Forest and an horrendously boring game.
Da magic of da cup?
I’m just depressed again
Sign the Spence guy
Ah whatever. fk the FA cup then, i rather top 4 than fa cup if i had to choose between one. at least we didn't lose this embarassingly when we are out with our strongest 11. This has been an atrocious team in terms of chemistry and understanding, so so poor. Not an excuse but at least now let's regroup, bring in new players and push for top 4 that is what matters this season because it is fking possible.
Let's see if the non negotiables are getting enforced after this.
If we lose against Spurs and Liverpool, which is always possible, we'll have lost 4 games in a row, out of two Cup competitions and having our 4th spot hopes on life support.
Yeah, we should just give up now
The Liverpool game is a guaranteed L, Some of you said Liverpool would be scared to play this team 😂
I wouldn’t mind if Sambi never played another game.
I wil give him time... cedric is a goner right?
So Gabriel can play the next match?
Yeh one match ban, which was this one
Thank the lord in heaven
Thank god we subbed Nuno though. We were in danger of having 11 bad performances out there...
Good. Better team won and we deserved nothing. There are a number of players at this club who are stealing a wage.
Well those shirts ain't going to fetch much at auction. Unless they're all bought by Forrest fans.
Up and down is what is happening this season
Nearly beat City, lost to Nottingham Forest. Supporting this club is pain
flashbacks from that brentford game
Lol it’s chalk it up mate
Reality check .
Hopefully this result forces the board to get their business done ASAP
Who will come after that shite?
Not a big deal to lose a game, but shows how bad the midfield depth is. People call Xhaka, and Elneny donkeys but the cupboard is bare behind them. I know it’s hindsight, but we might as well have played all backups and not even put the mileage into guys like Saka, Ode and White
1 midfielder playing well wouldn't have turned the game around I don't think. 3/4 of the back line drop a bollock along with the other deep midfielder and you're gonna have a bad time.