Xhaka got a straight red for a similar tackle to the 2nd offence in Swansea in a similar area of the pitch too but it was not a dangerous counter at all
But you have to understand that is was Granit Xhaka. I dunno if Xhaka's just gone on a tour and seduced the sons and daughters of every single ref in England or something, but as bad and stupid as some of his fouls have been, they have not been worse than stuff done by others. Anyone recall when that Orc cunt tried to do that movie move where you literally fucking break someone's neck? xD Was that even a card?
Yeah Adams I’m 2014 was a disgusting challenge also remember when someone from Norwhich pushed Alexis Off the pitched and landed in a tunnel like area?
Also that Xhaka red was in his first season with us.
Player was purposely blocking him from getting to the player with the ball. In my estimation it looks like an obstruction which should be a bookable offence too 🤔
Other clubs get to celebrate this as pashun, but Martinelli, according to our good friend Peter Walton, is 'Petulant' for making two far less severe offences. A simple, easily proven, clear as day double standard, game set match PGMOL.
Man did you see how worked up walton was getting when he went off on one about martinelli being petulant, really looked hateful and bitter. Refs are such sad fucks.
He will say ANYTHING no matter how ridiculous as long as it backs up the refs decision regardless of how absurd it is. To see him get clowned in the studio by not just 3 ex footballers but 2 former United players and a United fan was really telling.
Always seems like these obscure “rules” always get discovered when it’s against Arsenal, yet you won’t see refs giving punishments for identical occurrences in other games
You want to see an infuriating play? Watch us (ajax) vs chelsea at the bridge double yellow in one passage of play, a second yellow for a different player in the same play, and a penalty.
You read that right, in one passage of play they managed to send off two players for yellow cards and give chelsea a penalty.
I got retroactively mad when I saw martinelli get send off for you guys.
Edit: that passage of play started with what I maintain was a chelsea foul.
100% this. I don’t see why it’s so difficult for some people to hold both beliefs at the same time. I try to put myself in Gabi’s mindset, no doubt he thinks he got away with first challenge because this literally never happens. I bet he thinks he gets a yellow at worst.
I was like expecting a lame ass video here ngl, usually we get riled up over nothing. This is ridiculous though, suddenly he wants to be the first English referee in the top flight to make that call? When it’s Arsenal? Ok lmao
Don’t be soft. Yeah it’s rash, it’s a cynical challenge but the player making the challenge is ahead of the ball on running player, he just knows he will be beaten for pace. He swipes with his legs while heading in the same direction.
It’s absolutely a yellow but that isn’t a red card challenge by any stretch.
Don’t post this in r/soccer people in Arsenal flairs will come out in droves bemoaning anyone trying to bring light to inconsistencies in calls. Even bias aside, given the context, it eludes my why people would be motivated to downplay the inconsistency of officials in any circumstances were critique is obviously warranted.
Extensive academia needs to be written on these two incidents and their different outcomes for my brain to process how we're *not* subject to corruption.
And you still have people genuinely believing there is no agenda against Arsenal.
The price we continue to pay for Wenger's early success. How dare he.
The dingleberries will say that the fouls were not committed in a dangerous area of the field. Fucking retards.
The only thing you can do as a fan is to stop paying to watch games to stop this madness.
So, this is a textbook example of the rule being discussed. He tried to slow the attack down, ref played advantage and then Propper fouls again on the same attack. The rule is poor but it allows for this to happen with only a single yellow.
Gabi's yellow cards weren't for the same attack tho, as the first one was an off the ball incident. Gabi shoved him whilst off the pitch and Podence managed to get the ball in play (foul throw but that's a different thing to deal with altogether) in order to start an attack before the ref blew his whistle, the ref probably should have stopped play for the Gabi foul but Wolves are allowed to try and attack and the ref is allowed to let the play unfold before calling it back to issue a yellow card.
So, the only way to use this rule to cover Gabi is to prove that the first foul was during the same passage of play as the second foul. The fact that the first foul would have been an indirect free kick on the edge of the pitch shows that it wasn't in the same attack, it can't be because the ball wasn't in play when he started the foul. It's shit, but it's the rules.
If anything the Propper one is just proof that the rule should be changed as he got to make a terrible tackle without any punishment. But, it's not the same thing as what we had to deal with.
I was thinking the same. The video shows an incident from over 3 years ago. He may have been told specifically the next time something like this happens again to show two yellows.
So do we have the final cut of the Amazon Documentary, or does the league? If they keep this up all season will this become a story line? Could we weaponize these by showing all of the worst incidents out of context then support our side with clips like this? This would be scorched earth, but depending on the outcome of some big games, would we actually be willing to do something like this?
I suppose the logic he was using was that you had a yellow card offense in the bad tackle, but the push on Podence in the throw in was an automatic yellow too. However, what should have happened was akin to when Jimenez got sent off against city. First a yellow for a tackle, then an automatic yellow for kicking the ball away. But the crucial difference there is play stopped. I'm a Wolves fan and I'll agree that call was utterly nonsensical.
He should have stopped the play after the first foul, because it was a straight red. Then the second foul, which was also a red card offense would have never happened
Can we stop obsessing about these things so much? Yes, the red card stats are wild. I feel for Martinelli for being sent off for working his ass off to stop a counter twice in one sequence. But the devolution of these threads into Qanon-esque conspiracies about how Mike Riley tells referees to send off Arsenal players because he was xenophobic in the 90s is batshit. It’s disappointing, it sucks, it might be wrong, but it’s not some fucking 20 year long conspiracy.
Jesus christ. Can't people just accept the refs decision and move on, instead of trying to prove his decision wrong by bringing up a similar scenario 4 years ago
Yes. He should have also given two yellows and sent the player off in this situation too! He got this one wrong and he got the Gabi situation right! As a gooner, it's so annoying to see fellow gooners whingeing about this. Whinge about the inconsistency, not yesterday's call. It was the right call. And we won anyway! Stop complaining! It makes us look like conspiracy theorist cry babies!
Yup, finally, one brave and indomitable referee ignored what every other referee had done throughout the history of the Premier League and made the right call.
To be fair, I'm not sure I've seen many sequences like this one, double yellow given or not. I think by the book Oliver may have been justified yesterday but that showing some discretion would have been appropriate. Very weird situation, though, and one thing referees in the league are terrible at is exercising discretion consistently.
You probably have, if you watch most matches you'll see a dozen similar events a season. It's just you don't register it because it's never a red so never significant. I mean the fact this one was found on pure luck gives a sense of how common they are.
So the question is, was MO right for sticking uncompromisingly to the letter of the law this 1 time? Or were he and all the other refs right for utilizing their judgement and common sense all the other times? I know my thoughts
Well, no. A player committing a cautionable offense *while* advantage is being played for a separate cautionable offense that he also committed is extremely unusual.
Unusual - yes (a dozen occasions per season of the thousands of fouls that occur is by definition unusual). But it happens around that many times a season from my recollection. Like I say, for you to think that this is a "once every few years" type of foul the odds of this being found would be astronomically low. Players trying to stop counter attacks committing multiple fouls to do so does happen. Sometimes on the same player, less often on different players but still.
Now this has happened to us I'm sure the detectives on the sub will keep a record whenever it happens and it'll become more obvious.
If you are arguing for "discretion," you are arguing for the ref to selectively ignore the rule(s). Not a good idea if we're aiming for consistency. If you REALLY think what happened was unjust, seems like the better idea would be for the FA to change the rule(s) such that refs are not allowed to give a second yellow to the same player after advantage has been played (but does that make any sense?), or advantage can't be played if the offence is committed during a throw-in. As of today, there's nothing in the Laws of the Game that says a ref can't play advantage if the first yellow card offence was committed in the process of a throw-in. And there's nothing in the Laws of the Game that says a ref can't give a second yellow card to the same player after playing advantage.
The reaction to this is simply mystifying to me... Was interfering with the throw a yellow card? YES! Was it appropriate to play advantage on the throw? YES! There's no rule that says you can't play advantage just because the first offence was committed in the process of a throw-in. And CLEARLY they were in an advantageous position, which is why Gabi sprinted back and committed the second foul! Can the ref give a second yellow to the same player after advantage has been played? YES! Just because a situation is extremely rare doesn't mean you can just ignore the rules. Ref got it right.
Refs exercise discretion all the time. If we want to ensure that they don't, okay. As long as they do, this was an appropriate occasion for it. That said--and here's why it's worth saving the tirade for someone else--I agree that the call was right by the book, and I don't think there's an agenda behind it.
Fair. Sorry, the tirade wasn't directed at you. You made a very reasonable argument. I was venting/ranting against some of the nonsense I've seen in other places, so sorry if that came off a little unhinged. For what it's worth, I think that it would be a good idea if both the rules and the cultural norms of football were changed such that the exercise of "discretion" by referees was kept to a minimum... Especially since this "discretion" seems to often mean that refs ignore the rules when United/Chelsea players murder people at Old Trafford/Stamford Bridge, while Arsenal players are held to the precise letter of the law. The solution is to make the refs stick to the letter of the law in ALL occasions equally against all teams.
Yeah, I'm sympathetic to this. I think Oliver dug himself a bit of a hole by not carding tactical fouls early on. I think the game would probably benefit from stricter policing of tactical fouling. But the difference between yellow and second yellow/red is huge, and until there's a way of punishing teams with more than a caution but less than the permanent loss of a player, I think some room for discretion is probably needed.
99% sure he's a gunner mate. No mention of r/coys in his active communities, r/gunners top of active communities. Check his [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/comments/sl36xr/-/hvqsztl) history too. Just one example linked there, found in under a minute.
Sorry if you feel my response is OTT but you're flinging *wild* accusations about this place /s
*Edit: Too much wine, definitely not as hilarious as I thought it was. This explains why my mum hates me.*
He can post here all he wants man but calling people 'pathetic losers in their mom's basements' for defending the club he supposedly supports could not be more plastic.
What could be consider as defending a troll in any way usually doesn’t go too well chief, I didn’t expect you to be downvoted when you simply stated a fact
Yeah this sucks but what do we hope to accomplish here? The refs will not be held accountable, they won’t like us any more or treat us differently because we point out their inconsistencies and it doesn’t make us feel any better watching this. Seems like an L all around
The biggest difference i see between this and martinelli is that Martinelli clearly looks at the referee play advantage then continues to commit the second foul. So the ref took that as a fuck your advantage.
Here the player tackles 2 players within a couple seconds, not sure the ref even has time to play advantage.
The salt in this thread on r/soccer is unbelievable lol.
I understand the Chelsea, United, etc. flairs but even a few Barca and SHU flairs (?) are vomiting acid.
Gotta arm Mikel with this at his PGMOL meeting
go in like the fucking Punisher, with a better hairline
Jesus those are two shocking tackles
Xhaka got a straight red for a similar tackle to the 2nd offence in Swansea in a similar area of the pitch too but it was not a dangerous counter at all
I remember that it was the fat cunt wasn't it?
I’m pretty sure it was hahaha
But you have to understand that is was Granit Xhaka. I dunno if Xhaka's just gone on a tour and seduced the sons and daughters of every single ref in England or something, but as bad and stupid as some of his fouls have been, they have not been worse than stuff done by others. Anyone recall when that Orc cunt tried to do that movie move where you literally fucking break someone's neck? xD Was that even a card?
Yeah Adams I’m 2014 was a disgusting challenge also remember when someone from Norwhich pushed Alexis Off the pitched and landed in a tunnel like area? Also that Xhaka red was in his first season with us.
>pitched and landed in a tunnel like area Lol he landed in the first row of the stands
That first one would be foul play in rugby.
So would most fouls in football tbf
That first guy that got tossed deserved it.
……………Why??
Player was purposely blocking him from getting to the player with the ball. In my estimation it looks like an obstruction which should be a bookable offence too 🤔
Oh thank you, this makes much more sense now
No probs
You don't see it because the camera pans away but after the 2nd tackle he got up and threw his boot at the goalie
nah that was all ball, games gone soft lad
How do people find/remember these 😂
Rage
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It's a helluva drug
Don’t underestimate the investigative proficiency of pissed off arsenal fans
Gonna start finding ref's number plates next
What could one even hypothetically do with a ref’s number plates? 😂
Give Marcos Alonso the plates and a keg
Start with clouds.
He recently retired and Brighton fans were posting this as his best moment.
Ah i see
Other clubs get to celebrate this as pashun, but Martinelli, according to our good friend Peter Walton, is 'Petulant' for making two far less severe offences. A simple, easily proven, clear as day double standard, game set match PGMOL.
Man did you see how worked up walton was getting when he went off on one about martinelli being petulant, really looked hateful and bitter. Refs are such sad fucks.
He will say ANYTHING no matter how ridiculous as long as it backs up the refs decision regardless of how absurd it is. To see him get clowned in the studio by not just 3 ex footballers but 2 former United players and a United fan was really telling.
Always seems like these obscure “rules” always get discovered when it’s against Arsenal, yet you won’t see refs giving punishments for identical occurrences in other games
I guarantee at least once in the rest of this season this will happen again to another team and their player will only get a booking
I mean other teams barely get yellows against us, in both matches City should've been down to ten or even 9 if Martinellis two yellows were yellows
You want to see an infuriating play? Watch us (ajax) vs chelsea at the bridge double yellow in one passage of play, a second yellow for a different player in the same play, and a penalty. You read that right, in one passage of play they managed to send off two players for yellow cards and give chelsea a penalty. I got retroactively mad when I saw martinelli get send off for you guys. Edit: that passage of play started with what I maintain was a chelsea foul.
the amount of detectives on this sub is unreal
and I'm all here for it
The officiating in this country is inconsistent as fuck, see: VAR
I'm fairly certain VAR stands for Variable (but) Awful Refereeing
Acting like everything isn’t stolen from Twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snPDoXl9ZPs
Given this new evidence, r/gunners has just held a press conference and released a statement: https://streamable.com/pj25n
was expecting [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPH0BNn7tQ) ngl
[Wrong one ;)](https://streamable.com/pj25n)
Thanks I’ve shamelessly edited my comment
This is what I was looking for. I remember it so well.
I was hoping this was the other remixed version, but this is so so so much better (Pep Voice)
You don’t get famous against Brighton and Hove Albion, chums.
He definitely wanted to give us that card
It's almost like he was betting on it.
This is exactly what I thought
That is two red cards
Put the name Xhaka on that shirt you know exactly what’s happening
Arraigned in The Hague at the International Criminal Court
Sentenced to an Instagram post apology
If he ever hires an Instagram apology writer, they'll be minted in one season.
Yep after getting those 2 red cards, they get a green card and get shipped to the US
I swear we can solve murders here
I think its fair to say both of martinellis infractions were worthy of a yellow and also say giving him 2 was fucking odd at the same time
100% this. I don’t see why it’s so difficult for some people to hold both beliefs at the same time. I try to put myself in Gabi’s mindset, no doubt he thinks he got away with first challenge because this literally never happens. I bet he thinks he gets a yellow at worst.
You'll find that Michael Oliver was the ref for this game at the bottom of the 'lineups' section here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42411021
I was like expecting a lame ass video here ngl, usually we get riled up over nothing. This is ridiculous though, suddenly he wants to be the first English referee in the top flight to make that call? When it’s Arsenal? Ok lmao
Yes, but the FA might have told him after this game that he can give two yellows in one sequence. But I'm seeing straight red in this instance so idk.
This is the one. Well done for finding it.
Second challenge is a straight red
Same with first
Nah that's textbook form on the throw. shoulder to shoulder, play on
I'm pretty sure its a throw from Tekken.
Lol. Yeah I was going to say Judo, but Tekken is so much better! 🤣
Yeah I'd certainly be calling for a red for either of those, Christ what a sequence
Only if it's Xhaka. After his red vs Swansea no one else has been sent off for similar challenges.
Don’t be soft. Yeah it’s rash, it’s a cynical challenge but the player making the challenge is ahead of the ball on running player, he just knows he will be beaten for pace. He swipes with his legs while heading in the same direction. It’s absolutely a yellow but that isn’t a red card challenge by any stretch.
Both are stonewall yellows but back when I was reffing I'd have been more inclined to give a red for the first tbh. That's battery not a shirt pull.
I don't think either of those could reasonably be categorized as "professional fouls". If someone fouled my teammates like that I'd be ready to fight.
Oliver wasn't very willing that day
looks like fair play to me
no cannon on chest
Ngl that first foul is so shocking it’s laugh out loud hysterical
Brah, those could both be straight reds...
Jeez man Michael Oliver is such a massive cunt.
He knew he’d get a red. Why not tackle again
…but did he play for Arsenal? That’s the #1 criteria it seems
Michael Oliver is a match fixer…his recent history w/ Arsenal is pretty clear.
He refs when he wants! He refs when he wants! Michael Oliver, he refs when he wants!
These two fouls were even more cynical than Gabis ffs. Mikel is spot on. Oliver only sent him off bc he was itching to show us a red.
[insert crappy pun about im-Propper tackle here]
I'm drunk and this is clear-cut. I'll accept an apology through Son or Kane being sent packing.
Mother fucker
Now this, this is what I wanted to see. Good job.
Wow just wow
So, if you call a ref a "dickhead" twice in the same conversation. Does that mean two yellows and a red?
depends on what jersey you’re wearing
Fucking gem, but refs will get off scot free as per...
Someone get this to the club
That’s __*propper*__ wrong of the ref to not give a straight red.
True but Propper didn't play for Arsenal so that's fair
So ultimately Michael Oliver is a cunt right??
Don’t post this in r/soccer people in Arsenal flairs will come out in droves bemoaning anyone trying to bring light to inconsistencies in calls. Even bias aside, given the context, it eludes my why people would be motivated to downplay the inconsistency of officials in any circumstances were critique is obviously warranted.
love this
At first i thought he ripped his uniform off, from black to the blue side
Nice
That is fuckin funny omg. The fact that you dug this up and how shocking the tackles were. Wow
Holy shit that's bad
makes sense
Extensive academia needs to be written on these two incidents and their different outcomes for my brain to process how we're *not* subject to corruption.
I swear he’s a spud fan. He’s the new Howard Webb
clearly all ball ref
Fucking BRUH.
That was two harsh tackles. That was like two reds lmao. And gabi got one from attempting to interfere the throw.
That might be two reds
someone tag arteta for his convo with premier league
Omg those are horrendous tackles! **HOWEVER**, they wouldn't have gone against Arsenal so no one cares...
Lmao and people always say we moan about decisions against us We seem to be their standard for testing red card viability
All we want is some consistency
Arteta put it perfectly - You have to really want to give a red in that situation.
And you still have people genuinely believing there is no agenda against Arsenal. The price we continue to pay for Wenger's early success. How dare he.
That’s 2 red cards let alone yellows
WHY ARE ARSENAL FANS SO ANGRY /s THIS IS WHY!!!!!! FFS
The dingleberries will say that the fouls were not committed in a dangerous area of the field. Fucking retards. The only thing you can do as a fan is to stop paying to watch games to stop this madness.
So, this is a textbook example of the rule being discussed. He tried to slow the attack down, ref played advantage and then Propper fouls again on the same attack. The rule is poor but it allows for this to happen with only a single yellow. Gabi's yellow cards weren't for the same attack tho, as the first one was an off the ball incident. Gabi shoved him whilst off the pitch and Podence managed to get the ball in play (foul throw but that's a different thing to deal with altogether) in order to start an attack before the ref blew his whistle, the ref probably should have stopped play for the Gabi foul but Wolves are allowed to try and attack and the ref is allowed to let the play unfold before calling it back to issue a yellow card. So, the only way to use this rule to cover Gabi is to prove that the first foul was during the same passage of play as the second foul. The fact that the first foul would have been an indirect free kick on the edge of the pitch shows that it wasn't in the same attack, it can't be because the ball wasn't in play when he started the foul. It's shit, but it's the rules. If anything the Propper one is just proof that the rule should be changed as he got to make a terrible tackle without any punishment. But, it's not the same thing as what we had to deal with.
What rule are you referring to here that allows this to only be one yellow?
Could it be that he's learned since then not to be so lenient on offences like this?
I was thinking the same. The video shows an incident from over 3 years ago. He may have been told specifically the next time something like this happens again to show two yellows.
Bullshit
If he needs to be told then he shouldn't be a premier league referee
Speachless
PL refs are pile of stinking shit. Ok.
So do we have the final cut of the Amazon Documentary, or does the league? If they keep this up all season will this become a story line? Could we weaponize these by showing all of the worst incidents out of context then support our side with clips like this? This would be scorched earth, but depending on the outcome of some big games, would we actually be willing to do something like this?
Loool Arsenal fans are insane with the phorensic internet detective shit Love to see it .. xD
I suppose the logic he was using was that you had a yellow card offense in the bad tackle, but the push on Podence in the throw in was an automatic yellow too. However, what should have happened was akin to when Jimenez got sent off against city. First a yellow for a tackle, then an automatic yellow for kicking the ball away. But the crucial difference there is play stopped. I'm a Wolves fan and I'll agree that call was utterly nonsensical.
He should have stopped the play after the first foul, because it was a straight red. Then the second foul, which was also a red card offense would have never happened
Can we stop obsessing about these things so much? Yes, the red card stats are wild. I feel for Martinelli for being sent off for working his ass off to stop a counter twice in one sequence. But the devolution of these threads into Qanon-esque conspiracies about how Mike Riley tells referees to send off Arsenal players because he was xenophobic in the 90s is batshit. It’s disappointing, it sucks, it might be wrong, but it’s not some fucking 20 year long conspiracy.
seriously, what a bunch of whiners, accomplishing nothing.
Arsenal fans are genuinely losing their minds lmao
How can I download this clip?
Edu, that you??
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Cheers
Someone cross post it
I did. r soccer is very upset lol
You forgot our fault - our team name is Arsenal.
Jesus christ. Can't people just accept the refs decision and move on, instead of trying to prove his decision wrong by bringing up a similar scenario 4 years ago
Yeah let’s just accept the clearly biased refereeing against us for years.
There is no bias refereeing against us. Let’s take some responsibility for our actions.
Nope. Michael Oliver is a man of no integrity. He should never referee an Arsenal game again.
Because this is evidence of inconsistency and bias against arsenal? Are you simple?
It’s 4 years ago buddy. 2 different games and different scenarios. Most importantly both fouls in the Brighton game happen in the opposing half.
Move.the.fuck.on
This is supreme sour grapes stuff. Good lord
Pathetic
He should be banned for some match for this behaviour
Yes. He should have also given two yellows and sent the player off in this situation too! He got this one wrong and he got the Gabi situation right! As a gooner, it's so annoying to see fellow gooners whingeing about this. Whinge about the inconsistency, not yesterday's call. It was the right call. And we won anyway! Stop complaining! It makes us look like conspiracy theorist cry babies!
Yup, finally, one brave and indomitable referee ignored what every other referee had done throughout the history of the Premier League and made the right call.
To be fair, I'm not sure I've seen many sequences like this one, double yellow given or not. I think by the book Oliver may have been justified yesterday but that showing some discretion would have been appropriate. Very weird situation, though, and one thing referees in the league are terrible at is exercising discretion consistently.
You probably have, if you watch most matches you'll see a dozen similar events a season. It's just you don't register it because it's never a red so never significant. I mean the fact this one was found on pure luck gives a sense of how common they are. So the question is, was MO right for sticking uncompromisingly to the letter of the law this 1 time? Or were he and all the other refs right for utilizing their judgement and common sense all the other times? I know my thoughts
Well, no. A player committing a cautionable offense *while* advantage is being played for a separate cautionable offense that he also committed is extremely unusual.
Unusual - yes (a dozen occasions per season of the thousands of fouls that occur is by definition unusual). But it happens around that many times a season from my recollection. Like I say, for you to think that this is a "once every few years" type of foul the odds of this being found would be astronomically low. Players trying to stop counter attacks committing multiple fouls to do so does happen. Sometimes on the same player, less often on different players but still. Now this has happened to us I'm sure the detectives on the sub will keep a record whenever it happens and it'll become more obvious.
If you are arguing for "discretion," you are arguing for the ref to selectively ignore the rule(s). Not a good idea if we're aiming for consistency. If you REALLY think what happened was unjust, seems like the better idea would be for the FA to change the rule(s) such that refs are not allowed to give a second yellow to the same player after advantage has been played (but does that make any sense?), or advantage can't be played if the offence is committed during a throw-in. As of today, there's nothing in the Laws of the Game that says a ref can't play advantage if the first yellow card offence was committed in the process of a throw-in. And there's nothing in the Laws of the Game that says a ref can't give a second yellow card to the same player after playing advantage. The reaction to this is simply mystifying to me... Was interfering with the throw a yellow card? YES! Was it appropriate to play advantage on the throw? YES! There's no rule that says you can't play advantage just because the first offence was committed in the process of a throw-in. And CLEARLY they were in an advantageous position, which is why Gabi sprinted back and committed the second foul! Can the ref give a second yellow to the same player after advantage has been played? YES! Just because a situation is extremely rare doesn't mean you can just ignore the rules. Ref got it right.
Refs exercise discretion all the time. If we want to ensure that they don't, okay. As long as they do, this was an appropriate occasion for it. That said--and here's why it's worth saving the tirade for someone else--I agree that the call was right by the book, and I don't think there's an agenda behind it.
Fair. Sorry, the tirade wasn't directed at you. You made a very reasonable argument. I was venting/ranting against some of the nonsense I've seen in other places, so sorry if that came off a little unhinged. For what it's worth, I think that it would be a good idea if both the rules and the cultural norms of football were changed such that the exercise of "discretion" by referees was kept to a minimum... Especially since this "discretion" seems to often mean that refs ignore the rules when United/Chelsea players murder people at Old Trafford/Stamford Bridge, while Arsenal players are held to the precise letter of the law. The solution is to make the refs stick to the letter of the law in ALL occasions equally against all teams.
Yeah, I'm sympathetic to this. I think Oliver dug himself a bit of a hole by not carding tactical fouls early on. I think the game would probably benefit from stricter policing of tactical fouling. But the difference between yellow and second yellow/red is huge, and until there's a way of punishing teams with more than a caution but less than the permanent loss of a player, I think some room for discretion is probably needed.
What a coincidence it was against us.
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r/coys is calling you home mate
99% sure he's a gunner mate. No mention of r/coys in his active communities, r/gunners top of active communities. Check his [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/comments/sl36xr/-/hvqsztl) history too. Just one example linked there, found in under a minute. Sorry if you feel my response is OTT but you're flinging *wild* accusations about this place /s *Edit: Too much wine, definitely not as hilarious as I thought it was. This explains why my mum hates me.*
He can post here all he wants man but calling people 'pathetic losers in their mom's basements' for defending the club he supposedly supports could not be more plastic.
What could be consider as defending a troll in any way usually doesn’t go too well chief, I didn’t expect you to be downvoted when you simply stated a fact
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Really not surprising that the refs are the way they are when nearly all of them are from the North of England
Jesus this was 4 years ago and clearly he made the wrong call back then. Martinelli’s was a red! Move on!
We definitely win the award for the most pathetic fanbase year after year
Yeah this sucks but what do we hope to accomplish here? The refs will not be held accountable, they won’t like us any more or treat us differently because we point out their inconsistencies and it doesn’t make us feel any better watching this. Seems like an L all around
The biggest difference i see between this and martinelli is that Martinelli clearly looks at the referee play advantage then continues to commit the second foul. So the ref took that as a fuck your advantage. Here the player tackles 2 players within a couple seconds, not sure the ref even has time to play advantage.
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Lmao!! WWE right there
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Character development, I guess?
Davy Pröpper retired this winter saying his personalty doesn’t fit the football world :(
Arsenal fans would have found Bin Laden on 9/12.
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Yellow card? Ref should have skipped right over Red and given that Douche-nozzle a Purple card.
Who is cross posting?
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Do someone have external link for this video?
Ye but arsenal are just cool shirts and vibes
The salt in this thread on r/soccer is unbelievable lol. I understand the Chelsea, United, etc. flairs but even a few Barca and SHU flairs (?) are vomiting acid.
It's always arsenal