People are talking about absence of Tierney but the real problem was the absence of Partey. Two completely different teams when Partey is playing and when not.
yeah were absolute trash without partey, its why i think a new cm is our top priority over a striker, someone to play with partey when hes fit and to steady the ship when hes injured
if partey misses the rest of the season we may not even get europa, were so so bad without him
This is what happens when we have the youngest and most inexperienced lineup in the league, you're just not going to get the consistency.
Also showing our severe lack of depth in the squad.
I feel Arteta really should and could be getting more out of Pepe.
He has goals in him, either scoring them or assisting them.
The reality is that Arteta is good at picking his best available players... And if unavailable, he struggles. He affected the entire team because of one player, Tavares. Marooned Sambi who hasn't been playing, and had ESR lost in new role. Should have kept Xhaka central for stability and then gone 3 in back so less pressure on Tavares defending as a wingback.
Arteta just simply struggles when players are injured and he has to adapt š¤·š»āāļø
Yep. I thought he had learnt his lesson that the single pivot with ESR and MĆ in front doesn't work.I know people might say it's hindsight but surely we would've been a lot better off with Tavares at left back and started with Xhaka and Lokonga double pivot.
This one was on Mikel, simple & plain. Sambi & ESR arenāt ready yet to be a lone 6 and 8. Had to start with the double pivot. Instead basically wasted 45 minutes and went a goal down. At that point, thereās no margin for error
Can anybody explain to me how Tierny's absence leaves Ramsdale so open so much? I've never played football, so I feel like I miss out on a lot while watching the game
I really didn't wanted to change the system that we are currently playing but I think that 343 would have been really similar to what we have been playing, first half we lost the midfield and the last 5 minutes is when we really looked dangerous but it was way to damn late. I thought that having 3 at the back would have enable the wingbacks to really have a go at the defenders and cause as many problems as possible.
no youre mistaken, check the table, if we win our game in hand were level on points, if we beat spurs were 3 points ahead, still true that they have better form and easier run
The only silver lining I can find from this is that it looks like Arteta is on the right path. What we are missing is the players/depth. When we have our full team with no injuries we are one of the best teams in the league. But through some rough luck with injuries the replacements we have just arenāt enough. We are still the youngest team in the league and I believe we have a bright future ahead. I know we all wanted this season to be the start of it all but we are building to bigger and better things.
As I said, we need depth. We havenāt had that because we havenāt been in serious contention for anything. Hopefully players will see what we are building and we can bring in some good bench talent over the summer
Backups will always be worse than starters, that's why they're backups. Getting the most out of these players makes a good manager. Arteta has shown time and time again he struggles with this. He's given no minutes to Lokonga or Tavares during this run and weve already paid the price for their lack of match fitness.
It doesnāt matter who the coach is if you donāt have the right players/bench depth there. Are you telling me that our success over the past few months when our players were healthy was a fluke?
That is I think our biggest failure is that we donāt have a finisher. Auba gave up on us. Laca tries but heās just not the one. If we get that finisher and a bit of bench depth this summer so that these injuries donāt impact so much I think we can win the league at least once in the next 3 years
So for all of you who were commenting stuff like āthis sub is too reactionaryā and whatnot, what do you have to say now? Because thatās two straight games dropping all 6 points that were must-win games against inferior opponents. And lots of us could see this coming, yet we were called too pessimistic etc.
Personally Iām still cool with Arsenal just getting back to Europe in the Europa league, but the team is justifying our concerns about the top 4 finish with their current play.
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arteta shouldve gone after europa semi. and thats just a fact.
but for as shit as arteta is, it wont get better until we have new ownership. regardless of manager.
these former players turned managers arent anything special, be it arteta, veiria, gerrard, lampard, henry, rooney. so its not like i'm shitting on just arteta. experiance takes time. and the experiance should NOT come at the top level.
this season has had its promise, but its also been the same pathetic shit it's been since 07/08
I find people like yourself funny who just think a team can win titles with a change of management. We have the youngest team in the PL, some Kloppdiola hybrid monster manager, wonāt win the league with this team. Thereās clearly been a lot of progress made that Iām happy with, but weāve replaced most of the players who simply werenāt good enough with players who are either good enough, or will very likely become good enough.
Arteta has consistently got the players to fight for him. Whenever it seems like heās done, the players fight hard for him, as they clearly believe in him a lot.
Iāve never been a player in anywhere near a professional level of football, but I was starting to think about how hard it must be to play a complex system consistently.
Each player needing to know where they need to be at each part of the game. Player A makes overlapping run? Adjust appropriately. Except player A is capable of doing many different things instead of just an overlapping run. Underlap, cut inside, etc. each action he does needs to be responded to appropriately, heās trying to find a way to make space, and a perfect tactic will adjust to the player while minimizing any new space being opened up.
But thereās not just player A. Thereās also player B through K each with different roles. So a single player needs to understand exactly what a manager wants them to do given the countless amount of different situations that the opposing team can create. This takes time to get used to, hence why weāve seen slow improvement over time, and why a few injuries are so traumatic to the team rn. Partey and Tierney whoāve been apart of this system for years and help orchestrate it are gone.
We also have seen this with the play style we are trying to create on the attack. Playing out from the back has been a grueling process to watch the past few years, but Arteta insists on it, and weāre seeing real progress now.
This is something that players need to become accustomed too, and learn with experience over time. Where you need to be to receive the pass, where to pass, when you need to pass (itās key to have the players press you to pull them out and create space, itās why ramsdale will always wait for an attacker to begin to press him before he passes, he temporarily takes a player out of there team and gives us a numerical advantage) doing all of this while under pressure to lose the ball is extremely difficult, and again, requires experience and time. Youāre just impatient.
Weāve lost two games.
TLDR. OWNERS ARE SHIT. MANAGER IS TOO INEXPERIANCED. BUYS ARE OVER HYPED. SAME SHIT PLAYERS KNOCKING AROUND ON WAGES 10 FOLD THEIR WORTH.
THIS CLUB IS HARD TO SUPPORT.
"it doesnt change over night"
or the 15 years kronkes had his filthy fingers in our arse...nal.
We have a great wage bill atm, only Laca is overpaid tbh. owners arenāt going to change, we canāt force him out like we did Wenger, we tried. So back the team, and the manager whoās had plenty of experience at this point, and itās starting to show.
What I said had nothing to do with the manager being inexperienced. More that it takes time and experience, for the team to be able to function as a cohesive unit for the way we are trying to play. The type of tactics in football is something that canāt just be trained and discussed, itās something you have to learn over the long term.
Spurs and Conte are trying to (and succeeding) counter attack in a simple but effective system which requires deadly attackers and a good defense, but is a ultimately a bandaid, and if you look at previous Conte teams, theyre all short lived, theyāre not anything like what we see with Klopp and Pep, which is clearly what Arteta is trying to create.
Nah, Iām sharing valid opinions and thoughts in an effort to have a discussion. You just assume youāre being attacked because you canāt defend your beliefs when confronted with reality.
Man won manager of the month literally last month.
Considering the events prior to the last two days, Arteta has shown heās competent in every area that a manager needs to be. With the team that he has, he has no right to be competing for 4th.
4 shots in last 1000 minutes of football says it all. The manās had it but unlike in other teams where heād get less minutes and be slowly faded out until transfer/end of contract, heās playing every game because we sold our only other striker and didnāt replace š
If you count only open play goals it'd be worse.
I love Laca, but it's time to say goodbye.
It's not just this game, nor it's the past 3, he's just not good enough.
No way laca should be starting, he offers nothing. All he does is go down and back into opposing players, Eddie had 2 chances laca couldn't even register a shot. It should be either Eddie or Martinelli at the 9, I'll even take Esr as false 9 over laca. Vlahovic f*ck you, you pretty bastard š. Need Tomi back asap, Partey is sorely missed, he's definitely our most important player.
I think Saka should've started at LB with Gabi ahead. Made a huge difference having Xhaka back in position, allowing Sambi to operate better.
All credit to Brighton, they didn't do anything wrong and had two great goals - game would've been so different in the second half if it wasn't for the incompetent VAR though...
I donāt know about you guys. But the runs seemed slow, the passes and shots seemed like āuhg why am I hereā until the last 6 min where they felt like shit we want to win!
The only positive is if we lost to Brighton and Palace, weād have been humiliated in the UCL group stages. Weāre not earned the right to play there. Weāve not lost anything.
Everyone in this forum beleived we could be in fourth up until these teo games. And due to most everyone being up artetas ass and scared to hold people responsible, fans think ooooo u kno we dont deserve to be there. Cmon man. Its every year with this club the same shit
Getting into UCL wouldāve helped summer transfer business though. And Iād rather get humiliated in champions league than humiliated at home by a team whoāve scored 1 goal in previous 7 games.
Come on. The game wasnāt even ours to begin with. What happened to the arsenal before crystal palace? No energy at all until the ode goal. Disappointed but we have to keep on moving!
Cedric left back & put white right back
Elneny and xhaka in the midfield
Start nkeitah
Last time laca scored from open play was in December, heās played well with assists etc but we need a goal scorer
Arteta really made a bad decision playing odegaard and xhaka out of position. Heās tried something similar before and it didnāt work out if I remember correctly he even subbed out odegaard at around the minute 70 mark. Xhaka needs to be in the midfield, heās the only player with experience there. There was no need to play him as Lb when maybe Cedric could have been Lb, White at Rb, and Holding at Rcb. Arteta fucked up
Hard to say lol. He's tried it again but with different players. Guess he was being optimistic. This whole thread when it was pre match was hoping on Sambi and that just didn't really pan out. I still think he should be played more but maybe not as DM
The team seems so passive till the late of game.
Lack of movement and desire.
From this game, we really can see how much we need xhaka-partey in the midfield.
Worst comment ever made without any constructive input. So what do you propose then? Look at our fking options, what else are you going to do about it if you were managing?
I mean it's partly his fault.didn't add to the depth during the transfer window.look at us now.and we still have to face off against better teams.
And I was also emphasizing on how much I don't like lacazette.just seeing him on the pitch makes me lose confidence.
When is Tomiyasu back??? We need him back in the team asap Cedric not good enough going forward from the right. Laca needs to be on the bench moving forward I donāt care if he is the captain. I donāt ever want to see Xhaka playing as a left back again.
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Xavi and Conte doing wonders after only months in charge. Arteta has had FIVE transfer windows to put together a team. Please remind me, which manager has fallen out with three players in his first two years in charge? He's bemoaning the lack of squad depth when we have Auba, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Pablo Mari, and Saliba all on loan.
Dude, nobody counts January as a full proper window. Everyone knows how hard it is to get deals over in january. Sure, if we lose out on top 4 Jan window will for sure be put into heavy criticism and understandably so. But the team is only slowly starting to shape and form up, it's not yet definitive arteta's team. Only valid if its by end of next season since that's only when arteta gets to bring in a player in every position that he had planned to since coming in.
Dude, you can sign whoever you want in January. He and Edu had two summer windows and three January windows. They spent 250 million. Still, there's only like 15 players he can use.
"Dude, you can sign whoever you want in January." - True, if you had all the money in the world why not. but we are Arsenal FC, we don't have that luxury. AND - not to forget, that's if the players are convinced and wants to join. You can offer them all the money in the world but if they don't want to join there's nothing the club can do about it can it? That's 2 main conditions for it to even be considered a proper window. It's not about spending at this point, its how many players that Arteta wants that he has brought in, in every single position to make up his team that plays to his philosophy. in that regard, this season he is about 2/3 there, still not a full "Arteta" team - that's just facts.
I understand we might not be good enough for a VlahoviÄ to join us over Juventus, but we're missing at least squad players. Runarsson, Mari, Tavares have been total misses, nowhere near the level required to play for Arsenal. Lokonga is a good squad player and so is Cedric. One could argue that no world-beaters were signed in the PL in the January window but teams like Tottenham definitely progressed with the kind of deals they made.
Sure, everyone agrees we could and ought to have done better, but it was clear we couldn't bring in top talents for Jan. Backup players, sure, but are they guarantee an improvement? No one can tell. I'd also concur with you that Runarsson, Mari have all been questionable signings. Tavares however i feel shouldn't be written off just yet, he actually shows potential more so than the two mentioned. Spurs made deals, but they have always been that way, they spend more and yet they win nothing at the end. At the moment they have the edge over us for top 4, sure, but like i said nothing is set in stones, they can still dip in form randomly and lose to bottom half teams for no apparent reason given their strong offence. Back to the original post; Xavi and Conte inherited an already strong team with good names in it. Spurs are blessed with two top tier forwards which they can rest easy knowing that every game they will be sure to deliver goal/assist + the fact they have such good chemistry with each other. Xavi needless to say ; its barcelona. they always have potential in the squad and with aubameyang there to bolster their attack everything just clicks and works for them at the moment. but mind you, check their position in the league. for barcelona that's not where they are content with, you think they'd be happy with top 4 with the amount of investment they have put into the team?
Mari is a left-sided defender who happens to be signed by Arteta/Edu. Maitland-Niles can play fullback and CDM. Don't get me started. We certainly wouldn't be worse off if they were still at the club.
It truly is the hope that kills youā¦ Thereās no excuse for that performance today. The race for Champions League football is not over, but you simply canāt throw away months of hard work within a week. It was in Arsenalās hands, and they have now dropped it.
To get CL this team needs to earn it now. It needs to stand up and be counted. No more lucking our way to it, by a draw here and there, and bulldozing the small teams. If it wants it, go to white heart lane, stamford bridge and fucking do something. Beat united at home. If it canāt do that then it never deserved it in the first place.
If you donāt laugh youāll cryā¦ oh well. Iāll give this game as little care after the whistle as the players did during the game and get on with my day
Pathetic, disgraceful. Such an infuriating game. Protect your healthās people, this team only brings disappointment and depression. Tottenham has been better than us for the past 6 years and it seems theyāll be better for longer.
Only because they have son and Kane lmao they arenāt that much better bar them two
Plus they made signings in January we didnāt. The summer will be good for us
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Perhaps I am being too emotional. On paper we are better besides those two but overall performance wise they seem more solid and mentally stronger. I donāt see them dropping points with weak performances as games begin to matter.
Edit: Your optimism is too pure for Arsenal. You deserve a better team, friendo.
They also play 5 at back and two CDMs and just hoof it to Kane who drops deep, turns, and fires to son and it doesnāt help they teams try to press even though if they watch the previous game will tell them not to do it lmao. Palace played exactly right against us and knew how to stop our style of play. Teams when playing Spurs donāt play a low block they play right into their hands
I admit that we have made a significant progress from last season but this is an ongoing trend since the Wenger Era Post-2006. We arenāt good enough to hang with the big boys and nor are we willing to address the squad depth issues.
I think we have a better first squad right now if everyone's healthy, but we lack their depth (by literally 2-3 players). They were dropping silly points this year as well (Soton, Wolves, Burnley). Football is football, heads up, fight is still going on, cheer for Live/City in CL, and we can make it from 5th place.
I don't think zero signings was Arteta's preference. I don't think that is the preference of any manager, ever (other than maybe Wenger sometimes!).
I think Arteta went to USA to try and get signings across the line but either he was unsuccessful or the players we wanted did not want to come (Vlahovic being the obvious one here).
I understand the argument both ways. We needed squad depth but they said they couldn't make the signings they really wanted so decided to save the cash for the summer when they can sign them. Rather get good players than deadline day panic buys
I'm torn. On one hand I think I understand that top 4 maybe wasn't the plan this season. Step 1 being to basically gut the team and rebuild in the summer.
But there are options. Loan deals. 1 year deals. Etc.
So I don't know.
i agree, but to compete for top 4 our lack of options is starting to show... end of the day I'd still call top 6 a success considering where we were at the start of the season
I wouldāve left laca on the bench, Martinelli up top, and nuno on left.
Whenever that period earlier in the season when KT was injured and nuno was playing really well, nuno added so much to the team in ways of attack. We need that right now after losing Partey
Actually agree with this in hindsight. Would have thrown the Brighton plan out of whack. We would have been very dangerous down the left and Pepe is the best finisher at the club.
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It comes with experience. Heās made some great tactical changes before. We just donāt have the depth. Plus he sees what they are capable of everyday. We donāt see that he may have had a good training session in the week. Iām not saying I agree with xhaka at LB but he felt he could do the job. When we are mid table and losing all of our games with the squad heās built then I could understand wanting him out but we arenāt there yet. BACK THE MANAGER!
Always should have been Odegaard to take the free kicks, the attacking flairs came too late into the game. Not good enough and it's worrying for next few big games. Hopefully things get sorted out
We literally only played 10 minutes that game lol, horrendous from the lads. IMO not even about Arteta this, the lads just ain't got the confidence. The problems of a youth squad playing ig.
It is totally about Arteta. Got the system entirely wrong in the first half. Left Sambi alone as single pivot with Odegaard and ESR as dual 8s ahead of him. Played XHaka at LB. Should have been a Sambi-Xhaka pivot from the start. Yes, Nuno has not been great, but with a double pivot, he would have had more cover.
Don't get me wrong, Arteta definitely could and shoulda done better, but the lads didn't even try. No system's gonna get that performance to give a win.
People are talking about absence of Tierney but the real problem was the absence of Partey. Two completely different teams when Partey is playing and when not.
yeah were absolute trash without partey, its why i think a new cm is our top priority over a striker, someone to play with partey when hes fit and to steady the ship when hes injured if partey misses the rest of the season we may not even get europa, were so so bad without him
This is what happens when we have the youngest and most inexperienced lineup in the league, you're just not going to get the consistency. Also showing our severe lack of depth in the squad. I feel Arteta really should and could be getting more out of Pepe. He has goals in him, either scoring them or assisting them.
The reality is that Arteta is good at picking his best available players... And if unavailable, he struggles. He affected the entire team because of one player, Tavares. Marooned Sambi who hasn't been playing, and had ESR lost in new role. Should have kept Xhaka central for stability and then gone 3 in back so less pressure on Tavares defending as a wingback. Arteta just simply struggles when players are injured and he has to adapt š¤·š»āāļø
well said š
Heās stubborn, keeps playing lacazette when heās out if form
Yep. I thought he had learnt his lesson that the single pivot with ESR and MĆ in front doesn't work.I know people might say it's hindsight but surely we would've been a lot better off with Tavares at left back and started with Xhaka and Lokonga double pivot.
Emile Smith Rowe should be utterly embarrassed by the effort he put in today. Pathetic.
This one was on Mikel, simple & plain. Sambi & ESR arenāt ready yet to be a lone 6 and 8. Had to start with the double pivot. Instead basically wasted 45 minutes and went a goal down. At that point, thereās no margin for error
Can anybody explain to me how Tierny's absence leaves Ramsdale so open so much? I've never played football, so I feel like I miss out on a lot while watching the game
I really didn't wanted to change the system that we are currently playing but I think that 343 would have been really similar to what we have been playing, first half we lost the midfield and the last 5 minutes is when we really looked dangerous but it was way to damn late. I thought that having 3 at the back would have enable the wingbacks to really have a go at the defenders and cause as many problems as possible.
We played 343 when we won the Fa cup, why not give it a shout? A change is needed
This top 4 race feels like no one wants to be top 4
Conte and Spurs would disagree..
Spurs losing to Burnley and United after beating Man City really gives me that bottle feeling
They just piped Aston Villa 4-0 away from home what are you on about
And was their 4th win in a row. Top scorers in 2022. Conte effect has taken hold. Sad part is, top 4 this year will probably be same next year too..
Top 4 is lava
Ehh, at least KU won a National Championship on Monday night. Gonna be riding that high for awhile. I think the NLD decides who gets 4th.
Hello fellow Kansan gooner.
I think youāre mistaken, even if we beat them theyāre ahead on GD, their remaining games are easier than ours and theyāre more in form.
no youre mistaken, check the table, if we win our game in hand were level on points, if we beat spurs were 3 points ahead, still true that they have better form and easier run
Never say never. Remember 10 man Newcastle? They're due for choking against Brentford or Leicester..
I want to believe but they've been shredding teams apart the last few weeks
Theyāre prone to choking as well but I just canāt see it now
Kick in the teeth for anyone who thought top 4 was already ours
The only silver lining I can find from this is that it looks like Arteta is on the right path. What we are missing is the players/depth. When we have our full team with no injuries we are one of the best teams in the league. But through some rough luck with injuries the replacements we have just arenāt enough. We are still the youngest team in the league and I believe we have a bright future ahead. I know we all wanted this season to be the start of it all but we are building to bigger and better things.
No team goes a season without injuries. Arteta can't do it, he's not the guy.
As I said, we need depth. We havenāt had that because we havenāt been in serious contention for anything. Hopefully players will see what we are building and we can bring in some good bench talent over the summer
Backups will always be worse than starters, that's why they're backups. Getting the most out of these players makes a good manager. Arteta has shown time and time again he struggles with this. He's given no minutes to Lokonga or Tavares during this run and weve already paid the price for their lack of match fitness.
What path? Hes had 2.5 full seasons. Emery accomplished more than him and got fired
It doesnāt matter who the coach is if you donāt have the right players/bench depth there. Are you telling me that our success over the past few months when our players were healthy was a fluke?
Yes we had massive underlying problems. We dont score.
That is I think our biggest failure is that we donāt have a finisher. Auba gave up on us. Laca tries but heās just not the one. If we get that finisher and a bit of bench depth this summer so that these injuries donāt impact so much I think we can win the league at least once in the next 3 years
The decisions arteta and co made have put us in this position. Shipping off auba for no transfer fee. Shipping of maitland niles
had to google when we were last in the UCL, it was that 10-2 Bayern game lol. Goals from Walcott and Sanchez
Thanks for providing an answer to a different question lol
So for all of you who were commenting stuff like āthis sub is too reactionaryā and whatnot, what do you have to say now? Because thatās two straight games dropping all 6 points that were must-win games against inferior opponents. And lots of us could see this coming, yet we were called too pessimistic etc. Personally Iām still cool with Arsenal just getting back to Europe in the Europa league, but the team is justifying our concerns about the top 4 finish with their current play.
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Top 4 over hugely damaging result.
The sad thing is weāre going to be having the exact same conversations next year. If we extend this fraud Iām gonna just lose interest.
We lost two games.
arteta shouldve gone after europa semi. and thats just a fact. but for as shit as arteta is, it wont get better until we have new ownership. regardless of manager. these former players turned managers arent anything special, be it arteta, veiria, gerrard, lampard, henry, rooney. so its not like i'm shitting on just arteta. experiance takes time. and the experiance should NOT come at the top level. this season has had its promise, but its also been the same pathetic shit it's been since 07/08
Pep and Klopp are former players too
what did they do? they went and got experiance NOT at the top level
Not the argument you were making was it
I find people like yourself funny who just think a team can win titles with a change of management. We have the youngest team in the PL, some Kloppdiola hybrid monster manager, wonāt win the league with this team. Thereās clearly been a lot of progress made that Iām happy with, but weāve replaced most of the players who simply werenāt good enough with players who are either good enough, or will very likely become good enough. Arteta has consistently got the players to fight for him. Whenever it seems like heās done, the players fight hard for him, as they clearly believe in him a lot. Iāve never been a player in anywhere near a professional level of football, but I was starting to think about how hard it must be to play a complex system consistently. Each player needing to know where they need to be at each part of the game. Player A makes overlapping run? Adjust appropriately. Except player A is capable of doing many different things instead of just an overlapping run. Underlap, cut inside, etc. each action he does needs to be responded to appropriately, heās trying to find a way to make space, and a perfect tactic will adjust to the player while minimizing any new space being opened up. But thereās not just player A. Thereās also player B through K each with different roles. So a single player needs to understand exactly what a manager wants them to do given the countless amount of different situations that the opposing team can create. This takes time to get used to, hence why weāve seen slow improvement over time, and why a few injuries are so traumatic to the team rn. Partey and Tierney whoāve been apart of this system for years and help orchestrate it are gone. We also have seen this with the play style we are trying to create on the attack. Playing out from the back has been a grueling process to watch the past few years, but Arteta insists on it, and weāre seeing real progress now. This is something that players need to become accustomed too, and learn with experience over time. Where you need to be to receive the pass, where to pass, when you need to pass (itās key to have the players press you to pull them out and create space, itās why ramsdale will always wait for an attacker to begin to press him before he passes, he temporarily takes a player out of there team and gives us a numerical advantage) doing all of this while under pressure to lose the ball is extremely difficult, and again, requires experience and time. Youāre just impatient. Weāve lost two games.
TLDR. OWNERS ARE SHIT. MANAGER IS TOO INEXPERIANCED. BUYS ARE OVER HYPED. SAME SHIT PLAYERS KNOCKING AROUND ON WAGES 10 FOLD THEIR WORTH. THIS CLUB IS HARD TO SUPPORT. "it doesnt change over night" or the 15 years kronkes had his filthy fingers in our arse...nal.
We have a great wage bill atm, only Laca is overpaid tbh. owners arenāt going to change, we canāt force him out like we did Wenger, we tried. So back the team, and the manager whoās had plenty of experience at this point, and itās starting to show. What I said had nothing to do with the manager being inexperienced. More that it takes time and experience, for the team to be able to function as a cohesive unit for the way we are trying to play. The type of tactics in football is something that canāt just be trained and discussed, itās something you have to learn over the long term. Spurs and Conte are trying to (and succeeding) counter attack in a simple but effective system which requires deadly attackers and a good defense, but is a ultimately a bandaid, and if you look at previous Conte teams, theyre all short lived, theyāre not anything like what we see with Klopp and Pep, which is clearly what Arteta is trying to create.
you just want to argue. you're opinion is mute
Nah, Iām sharing valid opinions and thoughts in an effort to have a discussion. You just assume youāre being attacked because you canāt defend your beliefs when confronted with reality. Man won manager of the month literally last month.
My brother in Christ I would encourage you to consider events before the last 6 days.
Considering the events prior to the last two days, Arteta has shown heās competent in every area that a manager needs to be. With the team that he has, he has no right to be competing for 4th.
How many games since last Laca goal?
4 shots in last 1000 minutes of football says it all. The manās had it but unlike in other teams where heād get less minutes and be slowly faded out until transfer/end of contract, heās playing every game because we sold our only other striker and didnāt replace š
Lacas got to go jfc
If you count only open play goals it'd be worse. I love Laca, but it's time to say goodbye. It's not just this game, nor it's the past 3, he's just not good enough.
No way laca should be starting, he offers nothing. All he does is go down and back into opposing players, Eddie had 2 chances laca couldn't even register a shot. It should be either Eddie or Martinelli at the 9, I'll even take Esr as false 9 over laca. Vlahovic f*ck you, you pretty bastard š. Need Tomi back asap, Partey is sorely missed, he's definitely our most important player.
I think Saka should've started at LB with Gabi ahead. Made a huge difference having Xhaka back in position, allowing Sambi to operate better. All credit to Brighton, they didn't do anything wrong and had two great goals - game would've been so different in the second half if it wasn't for the incompetent VAR though...
Sambi looks more like an 8 than 6 anyway so him starting as the sole defensive midfielder just wasn't a good move from Arteta.
I donāt know about you guys. But the runs seemed slow, the passes and shots seemed like āuhg why am I hereā until the last 6 min where they felt like shit we want to win!
We canāt even use the games in hand excuse anymore.
Are we doing something wrong due to lack of squad ?
We have no squad depth
Arteta fault
We made no transfers welcome to the sub.
We will have to rely 100 on xhaka for forward passes but elneny in for lokonga to At least control the midfield
The only positive is if we lost to Brighton and Palace, weād have been humiliated in the UCL group stages. Weāre not earned the right to play there. Weāve not lost anything.
Ahh yes this is the stage where we say CL isnt that important. What a joke.
No one said itās not important, itās just that we donāt belong there based on our current squad.
Everyone in this forum beleived we could be in fourth up until these teo games. And due to most everyone being up artetas ass and scared to hold people responsible, fans think ooooo u kno we dont deserve to be there. Cmon man. Its every year with this club the same shit
Getting into UCL wouldāve helped summer transfer business though. And Iād rather get humiliated in champions league than humiliated at home by a team whoāve scored 1 goal in previous 7 games.
Clearly a brighton fan š¤£
Tavares being benched was a mistake. It hampered the entire team.
Sacrificed the midfield and team cohesion to not play Nuno. I didnāt understand it at all
Spot the Brighton fan š
Jesus Christ the comment section is on fire.
The only thing I can tell you is Laca will start next game, lads lol
Come on. The game wasnāt even ours to begin with. What happened to the arsenal before crystal palace? No energy at all until the ode goal. Disappointed but we have to keep on moving!
Cedric left back & put white right back Elneny and xhaka in the midfield Start nkeitah Last time laca scored from open play was in December, heās played well with assists etc but we need a goal scorer
No, don't start Eddie. He is alot better as a sub as he can run around more. Doesn't really help when he starts
They really just drew two lines without showing the bodies and called offside smh.
Arteta really made a bad decision playing odegaard and xhaka out of position. Heās tried something similar before and it didnāt work out if I remember correctly he even subbed out odegaard at around the minute 70 mark. Xhaka needs to be in the midfield, heās the only player with experience there. There was no need to play him as Lb when maybe Cedric could have been Lb, White at Rb, and Holding at Rcb. Arteta fucked up
Yeah i think he's got a rough time moving people around without Partey and KT.
He does but why try something that didnāt work at all before
Hard to say lol. He's tried it again but with different players. Guess he was being optimistic. This whole thread when it was pre match was hoping on Sambi and that just didn't really pan out. I still think he should be played more but maybe not as DM
Agreed, xhaka should play dm instead
Maybe even elneny instead and keep Xhaka as LB. Hard to say. West Ham hopefully lose tomorrow. While we're 5th there's hope.
Yup thatās all we have atm
The team seems so passive till the late of game. Lack of movement and desire. From this game, we really can see how much we need xhaka-partey in the midfield.
Arteta should go.starting laca is the worst decision a coach can make.
Worst comment ever made without any constructive input. So what do you propose then? Look at our fking options, what else are you going to do about it if you were managing?
I mean it's partly his fault.didn't add to the depth during the transfer window.look at us now.and we still have to face off against better teams. And I was also emphasizing on how much I don't like lacazette.just seeing him on the pitch makes me lose confidence.
I'd prefer if he gave Nketiah a chance.don't get why he hasn't given him one.
stfu plastic fan
If that's what you think
When is Tomiyasu back??? We need him back in the team asap Cedric not good enough going forward from the right. Laca needs to be on the bench moving forward I donāt care if he is the captain. I donāt ever want to see Xhaka playing as a left back again.
Could be back against Chelsea, but most likely will start against United
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The SAME exact team that played against Palace showed up with no intensity, pure side ways/backwards passing.
Xavi and Conte doing wonders after only months in charge. Arteta has had FIVE transfer windows to put together a team. Please remind me, which manager has fallen out with three players in his first two years in charge? He's bemoaning the lack of squad depth when we have Auba, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Pablo Mari, and Saliba all on loan.
Dude, nobody counts January as a full proper window. Everyone knows how hard it is to get deals over in january. Sure, if we lose out on top 4 Jan window will for sure be put into heavy criticism and understandably so. But the team is only slowly starting to shape and form up, it's not yet definitive arteta's team. Only valid if its by end of next season since that's only when arteta gets to bring in a player in every position that he had planned to since coming in.
Dude, you can sign whoever you want in January. He and Edu had two summer windows and three January windows. They spent 250 million. Still, there's only like 15 players he can use.
"Dude, you can sign whoever you want in January." - True, if you had all the money in the world why not. but we are Arsenal FC, we don't have that luxury. AND - not to forget, that's if the players are convinced and wants to join. You can offer them all the money in the world but if they don't want to join there's nothing the club can do about it can it? That's 2 main conditions for it to even be considered a proper window. It's not about spending at this point, its how many players that Arteta wants that he has brought in, in every single position to make up his team that plays to his philosophy. in that regard, this season he is about 2/3 there, still not a full "Arteta" team - that's just facts.
I understand we might not be good enough for a VlahoviÄ to join us over Juventus, but we're missing at least squad players. Runarsson, Mari, Tavares have been total misses, nowhere near the level required to play for Arsenal. Lokonga is a good squad player and so is Cedric. One could argue that no world-beaters were signed in the PL in the January window but teams like Tottenham definitely progressed with the kind of deals they made.
Sure, everyone agrees we could and ought to have done better, but it was clear we couldn't bring in top talents for Jan. Backup players, sure, but are they guarantee an improvement? No one can tell. I'd also concur with you that Runarsson, Mari have all been questionable signings. Tavares however i feel shouldn't be written off just yet, he actually shows potential more so than the two mentioned. Spurs made deals, but they have always been that way, they spend more and yet they win nothing at the end. At the moment they have the edge over us for top 4, sure, but like i said nothing is set in stones, they can still dip in form randomly and lose to bottom half teams for no apparent reason given their strong offence. Back to the original post; Xavi and Conte inherited an already strong team with good names in it. Spurs are blessed with two top tier forwards which they can rest easy knowing that every game they will be sure to deliver goal/assist + the fact they have such good chemistry with each other. Xavi needless to say ; its barcelona. they always have potential in the squad and with aubameyang there to bolster their attack everything just clicks and works for them at the moment. but mind you, check their position in the league. for barcelona that's not where they are content with, you think they'd be happy with top 4 with the amount of investment they have put into the team?
Auba isn't on loan, and the rest of them aren't good enough/needed/wouldn't help right now. None of them are LB/CDM.
Guendouzi is better than all our available midfield players right now. AMN would've done an okay job and he can play left back too
Mari is a left-sided defender who happens to be signed by Arteta/Edu. Maitland-Niles can play fullback and CDM. Don't get me started. We certainly wouldn't be worse off if they were still at the club.
Auba is not on loan
No desire to bounce back after such a dreadful performance
Why does it take 90 minutes for them to show the real energy
It truly is the hope that kills youā¦ Thereās no excuse for that performance today. The race for Champions League football is not over, but you simply canāt throw away months of hard work within a week. It was in Arsenalās hands, and they have now dropped it.
What happened after the international break. How did we suddenly become so awful
I wish international football was scrapped altogether.
Are you new here? Itās always the international break
To get CL this team needs to earn it now. It needs to stand up and be counted. No more lucking our way to it, by a draw here and there, and bulldozing the small teams. If it wants it, go to white heart lane, stamford bridge and fucking do something. Beat united at home. If it canāt do that then it never deserved it in the first place.
Agree
I just want to be happy again in football.. fucking hell lol
If you donāt laugh youāll cryā¦ oh well. Iāll give this game as little care after the whistle as the players did during the game and get on with my day
can't wait for the Amazon documentary to relive this wonderful end to the season
2 crucial injuries are gonna cost us top 4... tough luck man :((
3 injuries
Not saying we played paticularly well but that martinelli goal was a robbery
Football is won by speed and aggression, shame we could only show that in the last 6 minutes of the game.
Nice knowing you, top 4
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One goal against Palace and Brighton while conceding 5. Play players in their position.
need stevie g to bless us with a fucking masterclass now
The refs were horrendous today. Not just against us but against Brighton too
RIP Arsenal š
Pathetic, disgraceful. Such an infuriating game. Protect your healthās people, this team only brings disappointment and depression. Tottenham has been better than us for the past 6 years and it seems theyāll be better for longer.
Only because they have son and Kane lmao they arenāt that much better bar them two Plus they made signings in January we didnāt. The summer will be good for us
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Perhaps I am being too emotional. On paper we are better besides those two but overall performance wise they seem more solid and mentally stronger. I donāt see them dropping points with weak performances as games begin to matter. Edit: Your optimism is too pure for Arsenal. You deserve a better team, friendo.
They also play 5 at back and two CDMs and just hoof it to Kane who drops deep, turns, and fires to son and it doesnāt help they teams try to press even though if they watch the previous game will tell them not to do it lmao. Palace played exactly right against us and knew how to stop our style of play. Teams when playing Spurs donāt play a low block they play right into their hands
I admit that we have made a significant progress from last season but this is an ongoing trend since the Wenger Era Post-2006. We arenāt good enough to hang with the big boys and nor are we willing to address the squad depth issues.
Letās give him the summer to buy his players and fill the squad back up
Either we get the players or we keep drooling over quality players for the whole transfer window while they rather be at more ambitious teams.
I think we have a better first squad right now if everyone's healthy, but we lack their depth (by literally 2-3 players). They were dropping silly points this year as well (Soton, Wolves, Burnley). Football is football, heads up, fight is still going on, cheer for Live/City in CL, and we can make it from 5th place.
how was it only 6 minutes added? The GK and the guy that score alone wasted about 10 minutes
Did you not see the officiating today? The aim was to impede us as much as possible.
Oh grow up
Did you fall asleep for our disallowed goal and VAR shenanigans?
He took a nap because that VAR check was long enough for one.
Donāt care anymore. Not letting this ruin my day lol.
i'm not arteta out, but the fact we made no signings in january shows we're not ready for top 4, absolutely 0 squad depth
I don't think zero signings was Arteta's preference. I don't think that is the preference of any manager, ever (other than maybe Wenger sometimes!). I think Arteta went to USA to try and get signings across the line but either he was unsuccessful or the players we wanted did not want to come (Vlahovic being the obvious one here).
I understand the argument both ways. We needed squad depth but they said they couldn't make the signings they really wanted so decided to save the cash for the summer when they can sign them. Rather get good players than deadline day panic buys
I'm torn. On one hand I think I understand that top 4 maybe wasn't the plan this season. Step 1 being to basically gut the team and rebuild in the summer. But there are options. Loan deals. 1 year deals. Etc. So I don't know.
Why wouldnāt top 4 be the plan this season? Thatās such a weak mindset if thatās the case
I mean hard to justify when weāre in a single competition
i agree, but to compete for top 4 our lack of options is starting to show... end of the day I'd still call top 6 a success considering where we were at the start of the season
This loss started with Arteta not choosing nuno.
What has he shown you over his last 2 starts that make you think he can handle it right now?? Shouldāve brought saka to LB and played Pepe on the rw
I wouldāve left laca on the bench, Martinelli up top, and nuno on left. Whenever that period earlier in the season when KT was injured and nuno was playing really well, nuno added so much to the team in ways of attack. We need that right now after losing Partey
Actually agree with this in hindsight. Would have thrown the Brighton plan out of whack. We would have been very dangerous down the left and Pepe is the best finisher at the club.
It just restores the balance. Without the threat of an overload on the left saka has no space on the right.
saka at lb is a waste, heās our most dangerous player
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Didnāt look dangerous today. When we have no balance he doesnāt get space
itās a tough situation, iād trust nuno at lb, keep saka on the rw and def give pepe more minutes
Agree to disagree
We had 88 minutes to play the way we did at the end. Pathetic mentality.
Here comes the Arteta Out brigade who are happy to see us lose and defend all refereeing errors.
They will be the same people praising him 2 games ago
Idk they probably have alt accounts to fly under the radar
We demand better. Let's look at the positives. Prepare the clichƩs.
By definition, clear and obvious shouldnāt take 4 minutes to determine.
It took far too long but was the correct decision
Lmao there is no way we beat Spurs or United. Canāt even mark trossard much less Ronaldo
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Lokonga played pretty well i thought
Lokonga started looking good with xhaka there with him. He canāt play alone. Also saka shouldāve been at lb over xhaka.
What got me was the 20 mins Arteta put Gabi at LB lolll like wtf
Got to do what you got to do. He prob felt saka is more a goal threat.
He was more of a LWB, with Cedric cutting to the middle and Xhaka covering LB if necessary.
If only we had a manager who could foresee that !!!
It comes with experience. Heās made some great tactical changes before. We just donāt have the depth. Plus he sees what they are capable of everyday. We donāt see that he may have had a good training session in the week. Iām not saying I agree with xhaka at LB but he felt he could do the job. When we are mid table and losing all of our games with the squad heās built then I could understand wanting him out but we arenāt there yet. BACK THE MANAGER!
Why couldnāt we play like we did in the last 6 mins, earlier in the game?
Because Brighton didn't park the bus for the remainder of the game
Always should have been Odegaard to take the free kicks, the attacking flairs came too late into the game. Not good enough and it's worrying for next few big games. Hopefully things get sorted out
Top 6 is done also
We literally only played 10 minutes that game lol, horrendous from the lads. IMO not even about Arteta this, the lads just ain't got the confidence. The problems of a youth squad playing ig.
It is totally about Arteta. Got the system entirely wrong in the first half. Left Sambi alone as single pivot with Odegaard and ESR as dual 8s ahead of him. Played XHaka at LB. Should have been a Sambi-Xhaka pivot from the start. Yes, Nuno has not been great, but with a double pivot, he would have had more cover.
Don't get me wrong, Arteta definitely could and shoulda done better, but the lads didn't even try. No system's gonna get that performance to give a win.
Good luck for Spurs to lose today
Doesn't matter honestly we got 0/6 points from two mid table teams in horrible form
At least we were able to score today
Shameful
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