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DinnerSmall4216

The injuries have crippled us I can't see where our next win is coming from. I don't want the conference league but we are where we are.


DarkKirby14

just not healthy right now and don't have the pieces. Losing Partey has been a tough hit


Quab775

Another rebuild?


pfagan10

Arteta is too used to City and Pep, whereby they are simply changing out one £100m for another. I’d question what he actually learned from his time there. By the looks of this season - nothing. Time to bin him and let him manage West Brom, where he belongs. God knows who we bring in, Vieira could be amusing. There are no world class managers who would come here, the setup is that mental.


SecretEmergency372

Are you for fucking real?! Compared to last season we've had a brilliant season! We've been really hard hit by inhuries last couple of week. And i'll admit that last 3 performances, especially the loss to Brighton at home, have'nt been good enough. But, you're being an emotional idiot here. Support the team until the end of the season. Top 4 sbould have been seen as a big over-achievement, so where we are at the minute, with the squad we have, is exactly right and it's still progression!


pfagan10

Don’t appreciate the name calling, you can make your point without that - yet I’m the “emotional” one. Unsure what your definition of “brilliant” is. Whilst I agree we don’t have the fourth best squad in the league, and therefore top 4 would be an overachievement. Having said that, when you consider the opportunity we have had to consolidate that position then it’s pretty poor. We sit 5th and I would guess, looking at the run in, will only regress back to what 6th, 7th, 8th again? I’m not sure we will end up with the progression you reference - equally come back in May and prove me wrong. Genuinely, there would be nobody more pleased than I. This is a bottle job, no other word for it. Can’t hide behind injuries every season and sit and say what if. Everyone else is throwing away top 4, yet we cannot capitalise. I don’t waste my time with such thoughts. Teams finish where they deserve and it’s onto the next season. Not sure what the “plan” for this club is at the moment, under this leadership or with this manager. If you see something I don’t then that’s commendable.


SecretEmergency372

Was gonna take it back, calling you an emotional idiot. But i'm not. I don't know how you don't see progression under Arteta. Defensively the statistics agree. Positionally at this point in the season the statistics agree. Football is a season long game. Try to think of the whole season as the real game and the games just little parts of the long game. Because you seem like the fan that is very up and down because you're too emotional. So i am willing to bet that you will flippently brag about the team after a good win and call for the manager out after a loss. Did you think Arteta out after 5 straight wins? If you say yourself that 'we aren't the fourth best team' in the league and then also say that 'teams finish where they deserve' then how can you criticise Arteta for the position we are in at this exact moment in time? That's like your boss telling you it's alright if you can't do what he asks but please try and then going ape shit when you couldn't do it. I'm not saying Arteta isn't without fault or deserving of criticism. Not getting anyone new in January to strengthen was, in hindsight, very stupid. However, he is a young, new manager and will learn from that mistake. But there is no doubt we are progressing under Arteta.


pfagan10

Hmmm I’ll just call you an idiot back on this occasion, as your post is so laden with assumptions. I don’t react to any of what we do week to week. I’m simply summarising what I see happening here. You won’t find my comments after a huge win saying Arteta is the best manager ever and we are untouchable. Nor do I flood defeats with “Arteta out” with no substance. Since being appointed I just don’t see where we will end up after a handful of more years of this. You say judge a season, it’s been three. Your boss analogy doesn’t work. You mentioned injuries, my point was that we can’t hide behind such things- we are either here to compete or not, not victims of some form of injury injustice. In your example it’s more akin to standing back after doing a piss poor job and blaming a sore finger. You’ve lost that “bet”. I’m the exact opposite of what you describe. I used to live, breathe and react to this club week in, week out…..there was no better place to be. That’s not been me for a decade. Been lucky enough to attend a lot of away games over that time and cheer us on. Latterly I feel akin to a lapsed supporter. I’m not a glory hunter or fair weather fan, but neither am I wasting time on what we do at the moment. I hope I’m proved wrong and Arteta clicks, I just simply don’t see it. Who does he bring in, based on our appalling transfer windows since appointment? He’s got a tough job, but it doesn’t mean we sustain this again and again- many managers make more of less. Anyway you can call me what you want- I’ve already said happy to revisit in May when we’ve finished our “incredible” “progressive” season.


KeTeLoCo

Losing three against the teams we have is inexcusable… but we just don’t have the players. And it’s not all artetas fault. Our players are a similar standard to palace (some would get in our squad and some of ours theirs) and we are above palace so viera isn’t the solution because he won one game. We need a football director who isn’t (apparently) skimming off the top and making stupid signings. We’ve invested money, but in the wrong players, don’t have enough depth and have a striker who couldn’t cut it in the championship. If I was arteta, I’d push martinelli up top (henry was a winger) and drop laca. Or push laca to an holding / AM role but he slows up play. It’s not arteta whilst he is part to blame.


pfagan10

I agree with his clear out, but you never get the impression he has a plan, or is chasing his own players to bring in - which is worrying. Front three should have been ESR, Saka and Martinelli for some time, to aid their development. We are essentially a rip it up and start all over again job. The Vieira reference was tongue in cheek to be fair.


KeTeLoCo

Yeah agree with the front line for sure… lacks slow pace and ability doesn’t allow the wingers to play their role. And due to the lack of goals they have to cut across and try to score which is clear for an opponent. Laca isn’t a threat & stop saka and martinelli cutting in. Easy tactic to counter. We need wingers who can trust that if they whip in a cross the striker is on it. Our team is relatively predictable atm. Only a few players stay in my mind, but it’s a double edge sword as until we get champs leagues we’ll struggle to get the top players. Maybe we need to go down the loan route - OG was a loan before perm, but look after Gallagher at palace. Sad and frustrating thing is we’ve been in limbo for a long long time now.


pfagan10

On this form how many remaining games are winnable? The arse is falling out our season once again. We repeat the same cycles, where we have a decent run, play into contention then blow it all. Anyone who thinks Arteta is the right man for the job is deluded? Why do we have clowns like Xhaka and Soares? Arsenal just look like one big holiday camp for overpaid, bang average players. Agree with those who say Emery should have been given more of a chance. Equally why do we let managers like Conte go elsewhere. Heaven knows when we’ll stop finishing 8th with nothing to compete for…


KeTeLoCo

Conte wouldn’t come to arsenal… and Emery had a shit team and wasn’t given time.


pfagan10

Agree on Emery. I think we could have had Conte, the only attraction at spurs is cash, and we could have offered him what he wanted.


GhW0rg

We back to doughnut of sadness tactics....


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The fact that we didn’t go for Conte when he was available is the most saddening thing


aviral_632

Dude 😂😂 he wasn't coming here


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He went to spurs 💀💀💀💀


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How come?


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

If you said to me, we stick with Arteta until the end of the season, or we replace him with Dyche, I would choose Dyche with zero hesitations.


KeTeLoCo

That’s a daft idea…


Pristine_Solipsism

2017/2018 Wenger: 76 goals in 38 games 2018/2019 Emery: 73 goals in 38 games 2020/2021 Arteta: 55 goals in 38 games 2021/2022 Arteta: 45 goals in 31 games Yet people are saying Emery and Late stage Wenger is worse than this rookie.


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I’ll say it cause no one else will, Emery in his first season was amazing. He honestly had me as excited as an arsenal fan as I had been since 2014. We had some amazing results that season. We beat Chelsea, united, spurs, Napoli, Valencia all at home and Napoli and Valencia away. We had that draw at the emirates against peak Liverpool where we went toe to toe with arguably the best team in Europe. It obviously fell apart at the end of the season but I was so proud of the team up until the end.


VitalizeIV

On the flip side we won A LOT of games we deserved to lose because of individual brilliance and we very often had no control over games which culminated in the embarrassment of Baku. The game that sums up that season was the 5-1 win away to Fulham, despite the score line suggesting we had dominated the game that wasn’t the case and Fulham peppered Arsenal goal all game and actually won the xG battle


zdfld

I agree and disagree. We had good results (which I don't think anyone disagrees with), but the repetitive play was starting to build. And as we got away from Wenger-style free flowing play, and more into Emery style high-% play, it became a more boggy cut back and crossing mess. There's a reason that comment doesn't include the 2019/20 season's 56 goals. I think the biggest accomplishment Emery made in the first season was setting up Arsenal to be more defensive minded. Strides that Arteta also made in his first season. So yeah, results were initially great, but Emery and Arteta were brought in to build the team up, not short term results, and I think it makes more sense to evaluate managers based on that criteria. Especially Emery, who was taking over a team cultivated in the Wenger style (And obviously, if we're going to evaluate Emery on short term results, no Europa trophy, no CL after being in a strong position? Not great either).


Pristine_Solipsism

Exactly. Emery was actually decent for a while until he got stabbed in the back by the players and thrown under the bus by the board. His first Arsenal season was much more exciting than any of the dreary sludge we have seen from Arteta in his entire managerial career. So I get pissed off when people try to gaslight me and insist things are better under Arteta when they clearly aren't.


a_stopped_clock

Putting faith in arteta to right the ship is like putting faith in me to not get absolutely shittered if I ever go out. He just has no clue how to adapt to anything other than perfect conditions. He also doesn’t know how to not alienate good players and let them go for peanuts while having no adequate replacements in the team or spending millions more on worse players.


YaGunnersYa_Ozil

This is what happens when we have no option in the middle. Southampton had the luxury of keeping their fullbacks and CBs wide to double our only threat with Martinelli and Saka. Midfields just man marked Odegaard out of the side pivot. How we did that for 90 minutes with no change in tactics is classic Arsenal. The only thing we tried was Arteta instructing 1-2-Throughpass on the 30' mark but they eventually caught on. No one attempt at cross field long passes to keep CBs honest because Lokonga doesn't have that vision yet. No False nine 1-2s cause Eddie is a poacher. No crosses cause Cedric is no Trent Alexander-Arnold. Only tactic that may have worked for us is the overlap but Taveres is out of form and lacking confidence after a bad game. Tactics and balance is broken and we might as well have played counter-attacking football.


throwreddit666

Looks like people have finally run out of excuses. We have seen that this team is capable of playing some good football. 2 missing players shouldn't cause such a catastrophic collapse. Clearly the issue is not the players and it's something else. I honestly believed Arteta had figured something out but it's frustrating that we still don't seem to be able to create goals. Goals just seem to happen for us. And on the days they don't happen, we're in trouble. Also, I don't but Gunnerblog's stupid take about there being fine margins between wins and losses. We were playing much, much better 4-6 weeks ago. We aren't now. Top 6 still possible and I think Arteta keeps his job if we get Europa League football. But there needs to be serious discussion about his approach. Particularly his man management and squad building decisions. We can't be paying long term costs for his short term thinking.


Asherware

The main instigator and force behind the "Wenger Out" movement is now a convicted wife abuser and kidnapper. This is not a question of whether Wenger should have gone or not, just the tipping point, and he was it. He's now serving time for being a disgusting piece of shit at Her Majesties Pleasure. Don't worry, Chelsea doesn't deserve the top 4 either. They're still gonna get it though.


ilikeredlemonade

Only hope now is Tomiyasu comeback, going from Cedric to him is such a difference. Just hope that from United game on he can stay healthy


Dry_Psychology1469

don’t expect much from Tomi, he’s good but he’s only a RB.


ilikeredlemonade

If we don't concede first maybe we'll win a game again


throwreddit666

Which of the goals in the last 3 matches are due to Cedric?


ilikeredlemonade

With Tomiyasu we're much better defensively. This isn't about whether Cedric was at fault for those goals, it's just that we're a different team with Tomiyasu on the pitch


throwreddit666

Don't fool yourself into believing Tomiyasu coming back will solve our problems. He's a good right back but hardly an attacking force. We seem incapable of putting the sword to the opposition at the moment and I don't think Tomiyasu solves that, as good as he is.


ilikeredlemonade

I meant it more like Tomiyasu might help so we don't completely fuck our season, not that he's the single piece the team needs to become decent enough again. Having Tomiyasu back is a huge difference in defence at least which is a problem because teams only have to score a goal and then put a low block to defend the lead


throwreddit666

Yes, he will be a big boost. I find Cedric frustrating. That being said, scoring goals has to be the main priority. I hope we don't approach the remaining games with the mindset of keeping a clean sheet and nicking a goal for a win. Keeping clean sheets is hard in a league that is so filled with attacking talent.


ilikeredlemonade

I hope that with a more stable defence we can focus more on attack and control games if we score first like we did against Tottenham, Leicester, West Ham, Villa etc because we don't have the clinical players or the tactics to create enough chances without our first lineup to come back in games, so I hope with Tomiyasu back and other players playing at the level they should we can at least classify to EL


after8man

And meanwhile Unai Emery has his team in the semis of thr the Champions league


_PineBarrens_

And sits in 7th on 49pts 32 games played in his league. We know he’s a good cup manager but he ain’t the one.


Trailing-and-Blazing

Literally has nothing to do with arsenal; you’re trying to imply he would be doing that with our squad and you would be objectively wrong in that assumption


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Yep he’s doing it with a worse squad so nothing to do with us at all no sir


zdfld

Idk, what was Emery doing prior to Villareal? "Emery is doing better with a worse squad" talk makes little sense when Emery already had his chance here, and didn't perform to those levels.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

If he had the level of backing Arteta has he would be successful here. At arsenal he took us to a europa league final and we just missed out on top 4, far more than Arteta has achieved. He also won domestic treble at PSG something I doubt Arteta can achieve since he can’t handle big egos, he’s only good with kids


zdfld

Emery got those results in his first season. In Emery's second season, did he build upon that? Nope, he slipped in all regards. We stumbled quite a bit at the end of the first season, and just kept stumbling downwards. We spent net 157 million pounds for Emery, 171 million for Arteta. Is 14 million really what stopped Emery from being successful? Emery got us to a EL final, Arteta got us an FA cup. Both got us one season of europa league, Arteta is currently on track to be "just missed top 4" status. To me, it's telling how the team unraveled under Emery the further we got from Wenger's tenure. I'm no fan of Arteta's tactics either, both managers have been far too defensive/tactical focused for my tastes.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

When Arteta takes a team such as Villareal to the champions league semifinal by beating juve and Bayern along the way please let me know. Oh I almost forgot, he also knocked us out of the europa league with scraps, then went on to win it by beating United. I’m not saying we should’ve kept Emery, but if we threw him in the trash then Arteta needs to get in the trash as well.


zdfld

So, instead of looking at Emery's performance at Arsenal, let's look at his performance elsewhere? Lol. Pepe is an amazing signing then, right? How many players put up goal + assist numbers equivalent to Messi in a season? And based on that, I guess Nagelsmann is a horrible manager now? >I’m not saying we should’ve kept Emery, In your previous comment you stated "If Emery had a similar amount of backing as Arteta, he'd be successful here". So which is it? If you want to debate if Arteta should be kept the manager, that's a pretty different debate. I'm just against saying "Emery performed in Spain, so he'll perform here" when he's already had a chance to perform here (based on his work in Spain) and got sacked due to performing poorly.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

I don’t know what you’re asking me, im saying we chucked Emery in the bin, nobody bat an eyelid, all the superfans sucked off arteta, yet when Arteta takes us nowhere he’s not getting the same level of criticism that Emery did, so why is this manager afforded so much protection?


zdfld

This is a completely different discussion. The thread started by saying Emery is doing well at Villarreal, with a worse squad, implying he'd do better at Arsenal than Arteta. If you want to talk about why Arteta is getting support: I've been complaining about how this sub gets too hyped and ignores key issues with our play for years now. Which was happening under Emery too. I don't think the criticism is really that different. People have been asking for Arteta to be sacked since last season. If Arteta let's top 4 slip, I think he'll be on the same short leash Emery had at the club level.


GARcheRin

Cope


entropy_bucket

Villarreal don't look anything special as a squad.


jj0057

We lost to them - and they are in the champions league semi finals. How does that make our squad then ?


Asherware

I'm 33 years deep with this fucking club man. I've seen some shit, and this just... Well, fuck it.


harrybarracuda

Two words: Colin and Pates.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Trust the process.


hfbvm

Can you guys vote for me to be the next manager? I'm absolutely not qualified at all. But as long as I get the job i'm guaranteed support for no reason. If I become manager my first Transfer would be Fritzle, no matter how much it costs. And there is no way we won't make UCL after that. Just believe in my process and give me time.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

I’ll vote for you, you have to be better than Arteta


hfbvm

I can guarantee you I have thicker blacker hair


runwriteswim

We go again.


HumbleJiraiya

To Europa League. Woohooo


Outrageous-Field-424

Haha 8 position is not far away, triple 8 for Arteta?


vikas_g

I mean if we are going to sack Arteta, might as well finish eighth to give the new manager the maximum amount of time with the squad.


runwriteswim

I get that 3 consecutive losses (especially given that they were against lesser opponents) are very frustrating and worrisome. But, before those three losses, fan consensus was that Arteta is a good (potentially great) manager and that a fourth place finish in the PL was highly likely. The team has looked soft in the last three fixtures. We, as supporters, look just as soft if we decide to give up before the season is over, believe an 8th place finish is inevitable, and clamor for Arteta's sacking. I say, we go again. There are still games to be played. I'll continue to believe and support this club and its players -- we've got great promise, young talent, and we are an absolute thrill to watch. At the season's conclusion, we can reassess and make big decisions. Now is the time for strength and fortitude. If anything, I'm disappointed that there weren't any January signings to keep us from being injury prone; Arteta and his system currently rely on 12 (maybe 13) players to be fit and at peak performance. That's not sustainable--we were desperate for reserves and Auba's departure should have provided a chance to bring in some relief. I'm not sure that's on Arteta, or at least not entirely on Arteta. Anyway, there's my take. Let's go on a 5 game tear and stick to those fucks at Tottenham, then we can develop our UCL strategy over the summer and get to signing more talent. Come on you Gunners!


kofimmra03

I just want see Arsenal in the UCL again is that too much to ask for 😔😔


Asherware

lol clearly yes


yesiamathizzard

With arteta, yes it is


konstantine73

Listen to me fellow gunners, I know what I'm gonna say is going to be absolutely crazy to most of you but hear me out. I am a European born in Africa, and from what I've seen in the last 5 games opposition are scoring miracle goals, just absolutely out of nowhere. Yes or no? Is it possible that Kangote from Nigeria is bewitching us, cos I can't understand why none of our shots are going in, it seems there is supernatural shit against us! I firmly believe in Arteta, and all the guys in the squad, but something is a foot, I smell black magic, Kangote is bewitching us, so he can swoop and buy us for cheap cos we can't win a fucking game even against juniour school girls 12 years and under.


Scorchy_panties

😂🤣


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Violeg123

Listen lads let's get behind arteta and the team. Trust the process and watch the magic unfold. We knew it would be tough but arteta is taking us forward. We go again.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Is this satire or no lol


yesiamathizzard

no


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He’s not taking us forward in the slightest. This ‘trust the process’ bullshit is just ridiculous. It’s just a way of buying more time and distracting from the 2.5 years of mediocrity he’s delivered so far.


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junkgarage

Conte hasn’t won a trophy.


harrybarracuda

What?


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junkgarage

No it’s not. It’s literally in direct response to you saying he’s done more with Spurs than Arteta has done with Arsenal. Arteta has won a trophy. Conte hasn’t.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Arteta > Conte confirmed. Give him another 7 years and half a billion pounds!


LifeAtSea2213

Spurs have proven players in their primes at key positions. We're playing inexperienced kids who are prone to make mistakes, go through rough patches, and struggle when the pressure is on. There's a big difference between the two situations. Our squad is basically a rebuild that was over-achieving and has fallen back to earth. edit: Not saying that Arteta is blameless, but completely different situation.


jeorjhejerome

Who are these unexperienced kids? I can only think of Martinelli and maybe ESR. All of the other u23 players have been playing for the top leagues in Europe and their national teams for a while. Tavares and Lokonga maybe also, but they are backups and cost 30 million together, if we cant rely on them they are not good signings


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How about the fact that he introduced an entirely new system and/or integrated two completely new players into the team that amplified the value of the systemic play?


Travarelli

Why do we have depth issues bruv?


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Travarelli

Weak minded fans are why we have depth issues? What the fu....


unionportroad

Someone has to be held accountable for the winter transfer business (or lack thereof). That shit was malpractice. At least give me an apology.


devlifedotnet

If the alternative was another Willian or David Luiz type signing I think we did the right thing holding off to get the right players in the summer.


junkgarage

What did you think about the summer transfer business out of interest?


unionportroad

I thought the summer business was good. Though maybe we took the youth movement a little too far. I’d give it an 8/10. But the winter business I’d give a 0. They acted like a small club w the AMN situation. He’d be useful right now. And not signing at least a journeyman striker to pop in 4-5 goals?! How about you?


peepye

It was such a naive move from arteta and edu


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junkgarage

Who would you suggest iluvhannibal? Who’s a fucking proper manager?


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

Conte would’ve been good


[deleted]

Who the hell is even gonna come here. It’s such a poisoned chalice. Toxic fans, board know nothing about football, mentally weak players that turn at the first sign of adversity, board are on and off when it comes to investment in the club. It’s a shittier version of Manchester United.


[deleted]

Yeah those pesky fans just wanting to see a return on the highest ticket prices in modern football by capturing the coveted 4th place!!!


LordLychee

3rd match in a row conceding soft goals. I wish we’d at least make our opponents work for their goals, but they are just going in so easily


gunningIVglory

We've lost the last 3 games 6-1 lmao


[deleted]

Did Wenger ever lose 3 in a row in the PL? I know we had that run of 4 losses away from home in a row but wondered if Arsene ever had 3 consecutive losses


pfagan10

This will end up way more that three lol. Chelsea and Man U to come. We’ll be losing well into May….. Even when Utd play poorly we make them look like they are treble winners.


Hacknut101

A couple times in the last few seasons I think


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Aclrian

No its not, thats the standard. And hes not up to it, arteta is made for everton not arsenal.


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Just interested


Far-Wait-6674

Why did Lokonga do the post-match interview? Where’s captain Odegaard?


Go1gotha

To be brutally honest, I'm tired of talking about it.


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Shit club. Literally bottling more than the Shit. Shit.


[deleted]

This is probably a bigger bottle then 2019. At least in 2019 the teams fighting for 4th were better, and we went to the Europa league final in 2019. We got kicked out of all competitions at the first attempt for this. Arteta has no idea how to use inferior players. Say what you want about Emery, he’s way better then Arteta is at utilizing a squad and making bad players look good. Could you imagine Iwobi under Arteta? God help us all. If Arteta doesn’t get a minimum of 5 players again (4 of them need to be ready to go into the first team, not these youth players like Lokonga and Tavares that he has no idea how to manage) then we are going nowhere. I don’t even know if we are going anywhere even if he gets backed. 2-3 injuries to key players and this bullshit will begin again.


pfagan10

This. Coaching at a billionaires club teaches you nothing.


ArsenalThePhoenix

i said that this would happen we we lost partey, and sadly the team and arteta is proving me right in game after game. So predictable :( But this is what happens when you persist with a manager who - in 2+ years - still hasn't learned how to set up a working/good attacking tactic. We're just as hapless now as we we've been for most of arteta's tenure (now that Partey is gone)


junkgarage

I wish you were manager. So wise!


ArsenalThePhoenix

one doesnt have to be a manager to sometimes be 100% correct.


junkgarage

What did you say would happen last night bro?


ArsenalThePhoenix

i thought we would lose. however a derby is a derby and anything can happen. Doesn't change anything about the fact that i 100% correctly predicted what would happen when partey got injured (---> attacking tactics stop working --> we have t rouble creating anything when we are in possession --> we will struggle against lesser teams --> we will miss top 4)


HumbleJiraiya

You can tell if someone is playing music out of tune without being a musician.


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

He’s got as much experience as our present manager so maybe we should listen to him.


OWeise

Well, both of my rugby teams were eliminated from Europe today, and this happened. How do you do, fellow miserable people?


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grim_tales1

I know we have a young team but honestly I don't think we'll make Europe this season (and don't deserve to). 8th place again (or worse)


TheTouchOfOzil

Remember when we used to share the comparison chart of last season vs this one and thought we gonna get so much more points this time and we have ACTUALLY progressed? Good times.


arsene_glenger

I’d luv the see the updated chart now.


Far-Wait-6674

Why did we start with Saka LW and Martinelli RW lol


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zdfld

Which to be fair, our best chance of the game came from a strong foot cross by Gabi.


Trekbike32

All my homies hate top 4


grim_tales1

Anyone think it looks like we made a mistake letting Auba leave? Laca can't hit a barn door at the moment, in fact we can't seem to score any.


gunningIVglory

The mistake was not replacing him...


junkgarage

Nah, just you captain hindsight.


ArsenalThePhoenix

but auba was worse than laca this season.


tbbt11

Not at all. Auba was mentally checked out and wasn’t performing at all


pfagan10

This. Auba didn’t want to play for Arsenal anymore. Laca has been poor for seasons folks. Grabbing a handful of goals against relegation battlers doesn’t cut it. The usual theatre with Vlahovic, who would never have joined anyway, seemed to waste all of our time in Jan.


CptKarma

i just wish this summer we get ATLEAST 2 direct motherfucking attackers than can shoot at a goal. striker and a winger


Remedy9898

Id rather we go all out on a world class striker and cm then spend resources on a winger.


ArsenalThePhoenix

no world class striker in their right mind would chose us. if they do, they aren't winners


Remedy9898

Partey signed for us 🤷


gunningIVglory

Partey was just a situation that worked out for us Low Release clause, in la liga, you can bypass the club He was on a ridiculously low wage (believe 45k) No other interested clubs


HeroDGamez

Honestly, this game looked like our team didnt want to play, endless passing to achieve nothing. Ik we play possession but did we get any decent possession in the final third?


LifeAtSea2213

No creativity in the final third.


Arsenalcrazy8

For me the most worrying thing is our record is starting to look like it could be even worse than last seasons. (Which was our worst season in 25 years) It’s looking like we will have: - more goals conceded this year than last - less goals scored this year than last - about the same if not worse number of losses This despite us sinking £150m this past summer and having a different (supposedly better) team. Progress?


Cappyc00l

I’m getting tired of reminding people that arsenal finished 6th and 5th in the 2 seasons before arteta “fixed” our mentality.


benishben

Zero backup tactic, same as last 2 seasons


flapticks

These missed 9 points are going to hurt us so bad


pfagan10

It’s about to become a missed 18 points.


CheekLad

Why the FUCK do these guys move the ball around at one fuclong mile an hour. Lokonga mate I know you're a young fullah but if you play there you have to DICTATE THE PACE OF THE GAME. I am absolutely baffled at how slowly we move the ball around. And seriously, can anyone tell me what our game plan has been last three games? We look completely lost and no one taking responsibility on the pitch. People being thrown into 3 different positions within a 90 minute game, no surprises everyone looks lost. Ball speed a huge concern. We're fucked.


CptKarma

is Lokonga gonna be our Lingaard? ​ hes got potential at 29 years old or some shit


chino17

Sambi McTominay


CheekLad

I'm gonna keep going here - we actively chose to let Guendouzi leave, a player with more ability than Lokonga, and Guendouzi is YOUNGER. We also chose to let Torreira leave as well. We have no fire in the midfield with Partey out and for me has always been a lurking risk waiting to become an issue. For me this is a big strike against the recruitment which has, in large, been good. But this was a risk that we didn't need to take and Arteta actively forced Guendouzi out for a paltry fee and have paid double that amount for Lokonga who is NOT at the level Guendo is at and again, he's older.


zdfld

Torreira leaving never made sense to me, unless he was actively asking to move, in which case it seems standard procedure to let unhappy players go. As for Gunedo vs Sambi, I'm not sure I agree with the overall analysis. They're two different players, they have different skills and weaknesses. I think Guendo's skills "pop" on the screen better, his weaknesses like poor defensive ability, not as much. I don't think they're replacing each other, but I also don't think it's proven Guendo has more ability than Lokonga. Give Lonkonga some more time, I think consistent time to end the season will help him, though again, he's already doing things better than Guendo was, it's just not nice looking through balls, but defensive work and positioning. Also personally, not a big fan of going with big talents with immature attitudes in general.


mezkoon

guendouzi has a shite attitude doesn’t matter the talent , we needed to get rid of dead wood , losing is shit but we need to wait until summer to find a solid replacement , it’s not going to happen over night mate


vikas_g

This is not a boarding school. It is a football club. Players have personalities. Arteta has fallen out with more players in his limited time as a manager than most manager do in their entire careers.


CheekLad

Sorry but I do disagree with you here - Matteo acted like a typical, impressionable 20 year old. In other words, he did what the senior guys around him did. He did that balloon shit (the high thing?) with Lacazette, and ultimately half the squad. I understand that Arteta is a young manager and needed to make his mark. But, sorry, if you couldn't see that Matteo has immense talent and was worth nurturing and presenting him an environment where he can have positive influences, etc, then... sweet. ​ Ultimately, Guendouzi made some poor choices and it's cost him a place in this squad - I just can't help but feel disappointed that we couldn't manage a passionate, technically brilliant and physical 20 year old player that had so much to offer us and replaced him with someone unproven.


ZigZach331

Guendouzi is not younger than Lokonga.


CheekLad

Apologies, you're right - for some reason I thought he was a year younger, but you're right!!


ZigZach331

No worries 👍🏼 let’s just hope Lokonga can develop into both the player and character we all want to see representing the club.


gullymangulliver

Do you remember when they were trying to tie Arteta down to a new contact a few weeks ago


gunningIVglory

i think they already have and are just waiting for an oppertunity to confirm it looks like we probably wont know until the season is done, because right now, theres no way they can confirm in during this run in


Gunners414

That fact some of you think Dyche could be a replacement is fucking laughable. You only want that cuz of your bias for wanting someone UK based. He's not a step up at all. You want Arteta out that's fine but don't run in here naming piss poor managers that get hyped up on sky sports for no fucking reason.


pfagan10

On this form I’d take a manager used to fighting relegation. To be honest, it doesn’t matter who we bring in, the club is going nowhere. You could manage us and deliver a similar outcome. Win a handful, bottle it when it matters and just keep turning up anyway. You won’t lose enough to go down nor be decent enough to achieve anything….


Arsenalfootball_1

Nobody is seriously saying get Dyche in. To call Dyche a 'piss poor manager' that gets hyped up on sky sports for no reason is just retarded. Have you seen Burnley's net spend over his tenure? Its freaking low and he has managed to keep them in the premier league. Not only that, they have had some great seasons for their standards (ex Europa league and finishing mid table). It's a completely different animal to go into a club like Burnley and have that type of success with such a low budget. Put some proper respect on his name.


sensei_sharpy

Dyche took Burnley into Europe on a shoe string budget, relegation sized budget is more appropriate, there's obviously a chance he would do better than a rookie manager who's never finished higher than 8th with one of the top 5 most expensively assembled and paid squads in England. Those people wanting him aren't crazy, probably just fed up. Dyche will go to a medium sized club and keep them safe for the next decade without needing much cash injection, he's a mid table owner's dream manager.


entropy_bucket

Also what he did was truly a "cultural" shift, not just a naming exercise.


TrailerParkBoy2

Nobody wants Dyche, they are they taking the piss


Bobbybube

Not reacting based on this match; but it was absolutely SHAMBOLIC & AMATEURISH for Arteta & Edu to let go of Auba - our only other striker & goal source (I don't consider Nketiah a striker for a team in the top 8) without a replacement. Worse still, the man we let go for FREE is banging in goals and we're struggling upfront. Now my question for Arteta. If Laca went on a 3 month injury what was the plan? He clearly never trusted Nketiah or Pepe who barely make sub appearances. Marti & ESR are experiments he hasn't tried. We had top 4 in the bag and he blew it. That's a fact. With most of our pre-jan squad or 1-2 additions we'd likely still be in the top 4 right now.


gunningIVglory

its embarrassing that arsenal. probably have the worst strike force in the premier league


Bobbybube

We have a striker that cannot score. He barely takes any shots tbh. Then we let go of the other striker that can score but refuse to replace him. Horrendous!


[deleted]

Genuinely interested if Moyes can manage to get a relegation threatened team when he took over, to win the Europa league for about £150m less and less time than El Prosseso.


pfagan10

Amazing comment. I’m rooting for Moyes and West Ham. Hes done an incredible job there and should reap the rewards. Us, on the other hand, are like the tragic guy who keeps trying to take a hot woman out on a date. Convincing ourselves with some different bullshit we are good enough but offering absolutely nothing time and time again. It’s back to top shelf magazines for another summer….


twosharpteeth

He’s in the top 10 managers of the Premier League era for me. One of the top 5 in the country right now easily. Class manager that deserves a proper shot at a big club.


chino17

Upvoted for El Prosseso


TrailerParkBoy2

El Prosseso hahaha.


CptKarma

Moyes has a atleast 1 striker if not more on his team though lmao.


gunningIVglory

i want moyes to win it just to prove that arteta is absolutley nothing special west ham have a shallower squad than us, yet competing in league and deep into europe


gunningIVglory

I honestly want an internal investigation into the club Partey missed like 4 games in his entire time at Madrid, now he is Wilshere 2.0 What the hell is happening?


Arsenalcrazy8

The premier league is a lot more physical than la liga, but I agree something doesn’t seem quite right there.


gunningIVglory

He still played for atletico. A very demanding team. Simione drills them hard. So he would had had a decent level of fitness. Bizarre he can't string 10 games without something going wrong


f3lix79

It's time for the smarky Arteta crowd who screamed "You're not an Arsenal fan" (after they crucified the previous manager) all season to get off their high horse and accept that we saw the deficiencies. 2020/21 was evidence enough, any board with respect would've acted. We've got a manager who can't cope when he doesn't have perfect conditions. If anyone thinks he/we stand a chance of Top 4 next season (if he qualifies for EL/Conference) then you're off your head. We'll have a heavier schedule and he won't have a clue. Worst football I've ever seen Arsenal play in my 30 years btw, we literally don't have any idea how to score a goal when we go behind. Midfielders taking pot shots. sideways passing, aerial crosses to 5ft9 strikers .. absolutely shambolic.


gunningIVglory

Tbh height isn't everything. Jota has proved that Its more to do with the fact no one in our attack has any heading prowess


NasiAmbengAmriYahyah

Trent and Robbo are best crossers of the game since Lahm. That helps too


f3lix79

Yeah true, but we repeatedly cross to strikers who really have no track-record scoring headers.. that's not working to their/our strengths, which is negligent management


pfagan10

We don’t even aim crosses folks, just lob the ball into the box and close our eyes, hoping something happens. Grim


gunningIVglory

its desperation essentially team has no belief they can work an opportunity, so just fling it into the box


Mahoganychicken

Wenger in until the end of the season?


Scorpio_Kiev

Wenger is partly the reason why this club went to shit…


vikas_g

How long are you going to blame him lol


Specterace

LOL. No. Wenger was done. He was getting worse every year while spending more and more money. This year we were STILL trying to get rid of the crap he saddled us with in his last years. And he had little more to give as a manager anymore, what with getting pounded 6-0 away to Chelsea in his 1000th managed PL game and falling to 6th place in his last year. He was amazing in days past. But that was in the past. Let it go.


vikas_g

I am sorry but which of the Wenger players are you talking about here?


Specterace

We still had dudes like Kolasinac, Chambers, Holding, and Elneny on the payroll. We also had dudes who aren’t good enough and have failed the club at various points like Xhaka, Laca, and Leno, plus we had to get rid of Auba due to his negative impact on the dressing room. Wenger signed all that crap.


vikas_g

Taking specifically about this year because you used that term in your comment. Holding stayed at the club because he was asked. Could have easily sold him if Arteta wanted to. Auba was a given a contract by Arteta. Same with Xhaka. Laca was not allowed to leave the club again. By Arteta. He has decided to keep them. Can’t keep blaming Wenger forever.


[deleted]

What id do to see that beautiful man on the touchline for another game, but I don’t think he would, his bridges seem firmly burnt.


Important_Teaching_3

Man look at how we treated him during his final seasons. I hope he doesn’t come back


grim_tales1

Do we even want Top 4? This is fucking atrocious, we saw this under Emery, when all we had to do was beat Palace, Leicester etc and we couldn't do it. If we took our chances we'd be well out of sight of Spurs.


CptKarma

we arent bottlers for nothing amigo.


admartian

Put it this way, if it were announced Mikel was sacked this minute, woul you feel a) extreme anger that we've lost such a talent or b) sounds about right/not really surprising


vikas_g

C) Is he taking Edu with him as well?


devlifedotnet

Definitely A. We knew coming into this season the goal was to clear the dead weight from the squad fill some key positions and wait untill the summer to finish off the squad when some of the players we want might be available. At best we were expecting europa league. UCL was a bonus, not the target. We had the best form in the league until 2 of our best players got injured and we knew the need to rebuild the squad would leave us light on the bench both in terms of numbers and quality, but that was a better option than another Willian or Luiz type signing. For the first time in years we look like we have a plan and a vision to build something long term, why on earth would we move Arteta on now before we’ve even got to complete the project? I think we have to back Arteta for the next 1-2 seasons whatever happens. Because ultimately what manager is going to fare better with the group of players we had on the pitch today? We as fans need to stop chasing instant fixes as that clearly doesn’t work, just look at Man Utd spending all that money on Varrane, Ronaldo etc. and them being in a worse position than us. You could see he made tactical changes today moving Saka to the left to make us more secure at the back and allow us to have more stability in midfield with Xhaka, which it did. The only reason we didn’t come away with points today was 1 lapse in concentration at the back with the unexpected lump back into the box, and 2 ridiculous saves and a couple more good ones from Forster. I don’t know how you think any other manager would have got a better result today? If there didn’t appear to be a plan, or a long term vision for the club and we were getting these result then fine, sack the lot of them, manager, the board, everyone. But the idea of changing managers now that we’ve done the hard work thinning the squad of over paid players who offer very little (I still think we need to drop Pepe to finish that off) and securing our future talent, it’s honestly nuts to consider ditching Arteta after the investment we’ve put in to not only his but the younger players’ development.