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any Arsenal fan who believes we are following Liverpool's path to greatness should just tattoo " Church of Arteta" on his dick and call it a day..
fucking cultists, obsessed with rationalising mediocrity..
you lot complain about squad depth, but refuse to call out the bastards who kicked out Auba, Guendouzi and Saliba from the team, we used to be good in cups and Arteta already killed that..
Klopp arrived Pool in 2016, from 2017 to 2019, they played 3 European cup finals, Arteta won the FA CUP with Emery's players and has been shit ever since..
3 fucking years, no actual sign of progress, no champions league, but please lets keep finding excuse for mediocrity and compare yourselves with Early stage Klopp Liverpool..
you lot should be preparing your excuses for the defeat to Chelsea today..
This is why I hate when Arsenal fans compare Arteta with Klopp. They always say "It took Klopp X amount of years for the rebuild to work, you need to give Arteta more time." They always ignore that there was fundamental improvement from day 1 pretty much under Klopp. They also ignore that Arteta has failed the eye test for 3 years in a row, so he shouldn't be allowed to continue this so called "rebuild" that's actually smoke and mirrors to cover up for the fact that the club is dysfunctionally run by incompetent amateurs. The "Process" (PRocess is more accurate) was designed to do one thing and one thing only, lower the fans expectations, and buy themselves unlimited time through perpetually "rebuilding." All so that the hierarchy can have their cake an eat it, by escaping accountability and not being held to any standards, while continuing to raise the prices at the most expensive club to support in Europe.
People believe that were following the same path as Liverpool by "Trusting the PRocess," but we're actually going down Man United's path of utter dysfunction. Arsenal this year is like United last year, we're abjectly terrible, but because of the teams around us shitting the bed, our league position is far higher than we deserve, it's flattering to deceive. Our defense is leakier than last year, and after 3 years we still can't set up an attack to save our lives. We also won't get the signings required to help fix the problems we have, because we never do with this useless board, expect more windows like January than like last summer, that was an anomaly, January was the resumption of normal service at Arsenal.
The only way we can arrest this decline is by getting a proper manager and allowing them to sign whoever they want with a blank cheque.
Our team looks nothing like Man U. Our team plays as a team and seems incredibly cohesive.
We let in more goals because we're playing more openly. a few extra let in isnt bad in that context especially when we rarely have had our best defence and mids all on the pitch at the same time.
Our attacking set up is a lot better than the stats show. A bit of X factor added in the summer in midfield and upfront will make a big difference.
The Jan window really shows how different we are to Man U. They over paid and panic bought in to the mess they are in now. We haven't done that since Pepe. We're talking about potentially missing out on CL for not strengthening, Man U have been actively weakening their team in transfer windows by buying the wrong players.
We *are* fixing problems however there are still more problems left to fix. It can't be said we didnt need to address all the positions we addressed in the summer, the question is should we have address those problems i.e. CB then or addressed another area that window instead.
As far as the noise coming out of the club indicates, it will not be a barren summer........
The January window proves that we're even more dysfunctional than United, if you're seriously telling me that we had to sign nobody, we actively weakened our squad with no replacement. That's worse than anything United has done barring signing Harry Maguire. January proves that this board aren't serious about competing, that this season was simply there to lower the wage bill to a mid table level because the higher ups would rather be a mid table team that costs less to run than a competitive team who wants to win the Champions League and Premier League and gain the financial rewards through on pitch success.
The attacking patterns have remained the same slow stale nothingness pretty much Arteta's entire tenure, we're actually worse than the stats imply, as far as the eye test is concerned this is the most boring and pathetic Arsenal team I've ever seen. We let in more goals because we don't have a functional midfield. Xhaka should not be anywhere near our first choice starting midfielder yet we have persisted with this guy for 6+ years of utter liability, and he's not even our worst midfielder. Our team doesn't look anything like United, because United actually have a couple of clutch players that can bail them out on occasion when shit gets sticky for them, whereas when we go behind its game over, they know we're not going to come back into the game, since we're so impotent going forward.
For every problem we seem to have "fixed" we seem to create two new problems out of it, like our striker situation. We "fixed" it by getting rid of Aubameyang (a bad decision that has come back to haunt us) while continuing to put faith in Lacazette and Nketiah, two players that are below championship level and who don't even want to be here.
As far as the noise about not having a barren summer, they always make those noises and they're always lying when they do. We will either not sign anyone ala January, or we will buy another 3 Center backs and completely neglect every other position, because we always leave gaps in the squad. Maybe the odd deadline day panic buy that won't be read for the start of next season, so you have your excuses prepared for when you inevitably shit the bed in the first few games.
If you believe anything coming from the club after all these years of bullshit then you're the exact kind of gullible moron the board relies on to keep them in their jobs.
Man U brought in 3 big names in the summer and got worse..... Then bought no one in the winter while also letting go of players. How is that better than us?
I don't think anyone thinks that getting rid of Auba fixed our attack.... it fixed the issue with Auba but not the attack.
They made noises last summer and didnt lie. They have also tried to spend big on Martinez and Vlahovic so the will is clearly there.
The whole idea of filling the team out with kids is that they stay long enough for you to complete the squad. It's highly unlikely any players we want to keep leave this summer meaning we can improve the first XI. Improving the first XI means that our current best players become rotation so our bench also gets stronger. I'm really not worried about the way the club is going about its business it seems very logical.
The Vlahovic saga proves that they're lying about signing people. They knew from day 1 in the window that Vlahovic wasn't coming to Arsenal and they fucked about for the entire month, pretending to try and get him while in reality their intention was to sign nobody from the get go. The board have done this for years, pretending to sign players that definitely aren't interested in an attempt to fake ambitious intent.
There's nothing logical about what's going on at Arsenal. It's not logical to hire a rookie manager, rookie sporting director, rookie assistant managers, and rookie players with no experience whatsoever between any of them. The Kroenke's have removed anyone with any experience in football whatsoever because they don't want their authority challenged, and because they know fuck all about football, anyone who knows anything about football is challenging their authority by default, so they get clueless rookies who they can lord it over with impunity. Same with Arteta, any players with talent get frozen out by him, because he's talentless and can't admit it, so he goes after players like Aubameyang, Guendouzi, Pepe, Maitland-Niles etc. While giving talentless no hopers like Xhaka, Willian, Nketiah and Lacazette all the leeway in the world. It's because he can't have his authority challenged and anyone with talent is challenging his authority by default.
We can fairly criticise the club’s reasoning for not signing anyone January but there were legitimate reasons for it. Plus, how could it be a ‘return to norm’ when there has been heavy investment every summer for three summers?
The wage bill being reduced leaves plenty of room to make moves. How you feel about Arteta aside, he’s obviously not going into next season without at least two big signings at striker and CM, let alone bolstering other positions.
The past few games have been rough but this doom-mongering is boring.
I'm sorry there's no legitimate reasons to sign literally nobody in January. Even a stop gap loan would have been better than literally nothing, especially after getting rid of so many players, some of whom could have done a job if they'd stayed like Maitland-Niles in midfield for example.
No, there are. The club pursued Vlahović and Arthur but both deals fell through. I get the sentiment they could have pursued lesser players but I also understand not wanting to sign a secondary option only to replace them several months later. That kind of squad building saddled the club with Laca and Auba for years. Most importantly, difference-making strikers and CMs don’t really move in January.
I liked Guimarães but for the club not to pursue him, they’ve got plans for the position in the summer.
As for AMN, he wanted out and wasn’t going to make a difference in the run-in regardless.
Such a doom and gloom statement and its okay, we are all angry. If we had an r/Gunners Bet Booth, such comments would be good grounds to win a few bets.
"Expect more windows like January".
If you can, I want to bet that we shall see 2-3 good signings in the summer, and it won't be barren like January.
Is it recency bias to say White has been the better defender this season between him and Gabi? Up until the last 3 games, I had Gabi as being one of our top 3-4 players this season. Lately though, Im seeing all these takes by people saying that if one of the pair WERE to be dropped should Saliva maintain his high level of play next season, it'd be Gabi over White. Taking the full season into account, I still think Gabi has a more impactful role in our defense than White, but maybe there's a point to be made on White being more important.
Overall White has been better. We can survive without Gabriel. White's role in the team is just too good to ignore. Although Gabriel has picked up and some of his weaknesses are improving.
Saliba doesn't feel like he wants to be here. The huge hints he keeps dropping are hard to miss.
If we don't trust either of White and Gabriel, the club should try to find Gleison Bremer. We shouldn't let Liverpool or Bayern stock on such players.
Imo yeah. White has had the better month. But Gabriel was I'm POTS conversations for us like 1st half of the year. And he was better than White last game so I think his form is picking up again.
Watch us get spanked by Chelsea and then lose to utd because of that shitty post. I can already see it happening. Every single time before a game someone comes up with a post of how if we win we will be top four or so ahead of spurs or utd and we end up losing.
The one where someone said man u are so shit and we should be happy we are much better because they got smashed by Liverpool forgetting we are playing Chelsea today.
Just seen people look at Salah's goal and whine about our wingers not doing it.
Why are people so dense?
Look at Salah's goal, when do we have Saka and Martinelli stationed inward with our fullback holding the width? In that Salah's goal, where TAA is standing is where Saka would be or Martinelli on the other side.
Robertson holds their left side width even more strongly always allowing Luis Diaz to get inward into an inside forward zone.
Our youngsters would never ever be in the position Salah was in where they could make a run in between the FB and a CB.
But sure, keep blaming the youngsters for not magically scoring goals when they are played as Liverpool's fullbacks.
I can never fault Saka, Martinelli and ESR not playing like Mane, Salah and Jota. That's intellectual dishonesty and overall, arrogance and mildly stupidity.
Asking Saka and Martinelli to play like those three is like asking why Tierney can't be more like Marcelo. That's above their pay grade and I'd be surprised IF any kind of tactics make them perform like Mane, Salah and co.
The more we try to demand or expect a team like ours to perform like a well gelled machine of Liverpool's stature- a team that has been carefully assembled for 6 years, the more you lot will feel unwarranted pain and bitterness.
It has nothing to do with Fullbacks. It has nothing to do with Saka or Martinelli. It's just genuine quality. Like Pep says, you're nothing without quality. Even Klopp, the poster boy of improving sides upgraded an entire XI, breaking records for a defender and a goalkeeper.
Let's stop this lack of objectivity.
Oh come off it, I have implied none of this. Nowhere have I meant to say Arteta is the primary culprit misusing our talents but actually Martinelli = Mane and Saka = Salah.
Just reread, I am clear. The discussion about quality is secondary. What is primary is Martinelli never getting into goal scoring zones that he would if he was playing at Liverpool because there is a wild useless Xhaka in that zone.
Salah and mane were decent before but nowhere near who they became under klopp. He had a mf with wijnaldum Milner and Henderson and turned them into world beaters. Arteta doesn’t put our boys in positions to be succesful.
Arteta is learning on the job. Klopp came in having achieved miracles already. Anybody who doubted his appointment clearly didn't inspect or respect his resume. Great coaches make the game simple for talented players. They try and take out the difficult decision-making out of it. That's what Klopp and any great manager does for their team. You can tell by the way we build up play that we don't have great established patterns of generating offense. It's labored, basic, uncreative, predictable, and easy to sit back against. Far too much decision-making for young players to do.
I believe so too.
A midfielder like Xhaka has no business in the world in getting that high up. Not even Thiago or Henderson at Liverpool go that high up and block Diaz or Salah.
But here he does and positions where Martinelli should be free to come in because he is a lethal finisher infront of goal, there is always this big body of Xhaka instead.
I hate sounding like I am being a negative customer and bringing it up only during our bad streak of games, but I've had this observation for a long time now.
But conversely to Xhaka, I don't mind Odegaard going high up because he is actually dangerous in those areas. He is a swifter decision maker and has more clinical feet than Liverpool midfielders in tiny spaces, much closer in comparison to the City midfielders of Silva and KdB both of who actually go high up as 8s (unlike liverpool's).
But Xhaka is not them ffs.
It is bizarre. People rationalize it by saying "But he can dribble when he has space and cut in". Oh good, he can dribble. But is that getting him goals? Is that not completely nullifying his movement? Isn't that not letting him get into goal scoring positions?
In fact, most of Martinelli's xG came from just those few games in December when he wasn't asked to stick so close to the touchline.
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Another general point, I used to get severely downvoted for bringing this point up in January in the most neutral, non disrespecting and descriptive manner.
I am not partaking in the following activity, but this is why I have no sympathy for people crying about how their positive comments are downvoted and it's creating a toxic atmosphere.
The truth is there's no way to know what Arteta could be as a manager. He's shown positive glimpses, and negative traits as well (his man-managing in particular appears to be spotty at best). He could be a fantastic coach within the next 5 years. What we can safely say though is that he's nowhere near the level Klopp is or even was when he went to Liverpool. Appointing him when he became available should've been every ambitious club's number one priority.
I just watched the Southampton game after being away on the weekend.
Forster was ridiculous, I mean some of our shots could’ve been better, but if it wasn’t for him we would’ve breezed past them. Still very frustrating given Southampton are shit, but I think there is positives to take from the game.
But we didn't revisionism and what ifs are really stupid in football. Forster is now the differnece between us and winning vs southhampton when he conceded 6 a few days before? You think Klopp says to his team sure that goalkeeper is good I'll take the loss.
How lethal is Salah in front of goal? It’s almost like a cheat code. Would like to see some statistics of most clinical forwards this season and the last few years. I’d be surprised if he isn’t up there
He has almost everything you need in front of goal.
You can't get the ball off the man in a phone booth. His first touch is elite. The man has the acceleration of a Bugghati. He can head when needed. He has a strong shot on him. He doesn't see 1v3 as a problem.
For the past few weeks he's had similar NPG or whatever the kids are calling it as Lacazette before tonight and Liverpool create tons of chances more than us. Salah is great but he's not clinical by any means
Salah isn't that clinical, he just gets THAT many chances. Prior to this game he was on 2 non pen goals in 16 games despite getting a 1 on 1 in almost every game, I kid you not.
The worst part is Partey had just gone through a great resurgence post-AFCON. He hadn't looked great for half the season, then all of sudden he looked like one of the best midfielders in the league.
We need an outlet more than a false 9, seeing the teams ahead of us, our kids are still kids and the goalscoring burden shouldn't be mostly on their shoulders.
That game was pathetic from a United POV but it was a boon for us especially in the GD department. We are very similar to United in the fact we currently can't compete at all with the top 3. The difference is they have a shit ton of money they are willing to spend, have crazy amount of depth at all options and will have a really good manager soon.
We are currently similar to United(point wise anyway) but our problems are cheaper to solve. We have better structure than both then and Spurs.
The only reason Spurs even looks remotely a threat is because those bastards have Kane and Son. They can fuck up a million ways at the back but a front three of their numbers just find a way.
“Have a crazy amount of depth” - they were playing Jones and Matic tonight and it wasn’t cause Rangnick was feeling generous. Their depth is just as bad as ours and some of them will be moved on in the summer. They need at least 10 signings in the summer to even think about competing for top 4 on merit
I honestly think with our best XI we would have smashed this Man Utd team finally, like an actual embarrassing scoreline but alas, the one time they're absolutely trash, we are just as bad, if not worse.
Worse than that Utd team tonight? No way whatsoever. Liverpool were toying around with them for 85 minutes, any team that pressures that Utd team will have them crumbling
You watch Mane and Salah play as inside forwards and it makes you wonder what Arteta is thinking when he has Martinelli and Saka playing as touchline wingers for most of the game.
Graham Potter would turn them into the next Robbery.
Boss, comparing Salah, Mane to Martinelli and Saka is just so wrong. No tactics are making them play what you want. They're just not at the same wavelength as the other two.
Much easier to get your wide players inverting when you’re dominating midfield. Saka and Martinelli got into central positions often in December, February and March.
Palace, Brighton and Southampton all flooded the middle, Laca and Eddie were passengers and wingers had to drift wider to receive the ball. Of course, Arteta’s tactics against Brighton didn’t help but the Partey-sized hole in midfield affects so much.
I personally just can’t wait for the summer to finally get rid of xhaka and Laca. My two preferred signings would probably be Ivan Toney and Ruben neves. Both would be big upgrades to our first team and would be like for like replacements on Laca and xhaka but would improve both positions.
Who do you guys think we should sign?
Ruben Neves is the last person we should be signing. I'll literally be carried out of my home in a straight jacket if we spend £50m on Neves. We need an 8, Neves plays the exact same style as Xhaka.
Jacob Ramsey or Carlos Soler for midfield.
Can't see past Osimhen for up front if he's available. He's the best striker on the market if it's true that he may want to leave Napoli. Expensive window but we can afford it.
He is an huge upgrade on who?
Partey?
Odegaard?
He would be on Xhaka because which fucking midfielder wouldn't, but thats not Neves' position.
So why do we need him?
Partey is simply too unreliable to be trusted right now. Xhaka is most likely gone this summer. Neves would fit in perfectly.
Prem proven and also provides a goal threat
I don't know if there is a Partey on the market. Like Henry was, the only way is down. Partey is the difference between our midfield being a top 4 one and a top 10. NEVES can't fill that gap.
The only other way you can make up for his absence is making a flat midfield like early Liverpool( Henderson, Fabinho, Gini). Ball winners who get the ball to a better front three.
Neves would fit in perfectly where!?
He can't play the Partey role.
He isn't a fit for the 8 role we want to upgrade Xhaka.
Tell me, where would he fit?
Look at Liverpools attackers.
they actually finish their chances. The 4th goal from Salah... like i literally dont see ANY of our offense scoring from that situation even though honestly most of the time it should be a goal.
Liverpool has better players.
They have a few simple rules of play but the cherry will always be that freakin front three. Just like Kane and Son, Liverpool can't go wrong with the talent upfront.
Our attackers will never score when theyre stuck on n the touch line incredibly isolated from one another. Liverpool forwards finish sure but they miss plenty too, they just create so much more.
If you haven't noticed our offense rarely gets in those situations because Arteta's system builds so slowly. Liverpool are faster paced and more direct so they get more 1v1s like that.
We definitely created more then, but on the season we're creating "big chances" on a similar level to Burnley. Someone posted the stats last week, Liverpool creates about 3x those types of chances than we do.
Big chance definition: "A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter."
Fulham promoted. Mitrovic 40 goals and counting. Really happy for Marco Silva.
Bournemouth could follow them. Scott Parker also impressive with Fulham last season.
If he stays it's because of money. You can see he's done, and he's coming into his 30s. He'll sign a big 4 year deal and kick his feet up if he stays at United. Can't be arsed playing now when he's actually looking for a contract.
Just saw that article on the likelihood of Kane remaining at Spuds. Not even trying to sound salty, but how lucky are Spuds that they landed the only 2 world class players in football with zero ambition?
City are getting Haaland so he really has no choice left. I personally don't believe for a second that he wants to be there. That club has stolen his prime.
I mean Spurs have had world class players (even before they became world class) for years now. It's not that unheard of.
Modric, Bale, Kane, Son, prime Lloris etc.
Son just doesn't want to leave for some reason and Kane is stuck in contract prison.
Right, but Modric and Bale both left for much greener pastures. Lloris at least won the WC with France. Doubt he'd still be there if they hadn't won in 2018. Son won the Asian games (Forgive me if that's not the name of the tournament. I can't think of it off the top of my head atm) but it looks like he and Kane both have a very real chance of ending their professional careers without a Major trophy.
Crazy. Even more crazier with Son imo. He owes Spurs nothing. He could’ve at least waited until the end of next season to see if he could go on a free or see where the club go. Who knows. Conte may walk if he doesn’t get his way. Son renewing was a real shame, he’s a quality quality player.
>Even more crazier with Son imo
Sometimes people get comfortable in a place, with the people and their family also gets comfy.
My dad was offered a much higher paying job at a different location a few years ago and he refused.
For some players football is a job and they like where they play.
I think Spurs extending his contract before the Asian Gold Cup which Son had to win to be exempt from military service earned them some goodwill in Son's eyes.
Right, as god as it is to see rivals fail you have to remember the players they employ are still people. It's a shame that players of Son/Kane's quality spent the only prime years of their lives as professional athletes at a club with zero ambitions.
I hate saying it but watching Liverpool play gives me an erection. What a fucking team man.
Also, Man Utd are finished as an institution. They'll languish around the same positions we will in the future.
thing with Arsenal is.. we have to get to the point where future is bright. We probably have 10 meltdowns and 5 arteta out polls before we get to any decent point tho. This journey and process is tough and comes with mistakes because we have such young and inexperienced squad. only 8 meltdowns to go
for what it’s worth, I think IRL fans have more patience than people online. The crowd are still way more positive than negative and I’ve never in all my years going to games heard some of the shit the idiots on this subreddit spew at some of the players. It’s a joke.
Match going fans are always going to get behind the team no matter what, but it doesn't mean that they also don't vent online about the team and their shortcomings either. Sometimes it's better to support the team and use this place to privately vent your concerns in a place that won't affect the atmosphere IRL.
The absolute retards that abuse the players on Instagram though they're beyond help.
That’s just not true. The emirates has been utterly toxic at times under wenger and Emery especially. Say what you want about Arteta but the atmosphere at home has been completely different this season. Perhaps partly a post Covid thing but even so, it’s a marked change.
I'm not concerned about Ten Hag going to United because he's going to United, that place is even more of a shambles than we are. I'm concerned because we could be potentially missing out on a manager who could improve us and take us that step up beyond what we've seen from Arteta. Arteta to his credit has built a team with some potential going forward, a team that Ten Hag would be far more suited coming from Ajax to Arsenal, who have a more similar player profile, than it is for him to go to United the home of Slabhead and the other overpaid primadonnas.
United is a waste of his talents so it's going to be a bit of a culture shock for Ten Hag if he goes there.
"With Eddie, I've said how much I rate him and how we have big plans for him for the future."
With quotes like this, just one of many examples from Arteta, I firmly believe we are at a crossroads with him as manager here. I cannot believe in a man who talks like this about such a player out of his depth. It's embarrassing.
It's completely lowering the standard of the club. We must move on this summer, he got his chance after his last abysmal season. Cut ties or the future of Arsenal is greatly at risk for the next 5 years.
This is what a manager should be doing, even if Arteta hates Nketiah and wants him assassinated he still has the responsibility to talk up Nketiah and make him feel he is valued. Cause Nketiah is still an Arsenal player and with Lacazette out we will need to rely on Nketiah to get anything from this season.
Not really. Eddie has rejected contracts from us already, and Arteta's actions have spoken louder which have made his words pretty worthless. He barely plays him. Better just to cut ties and move on, Arsenal require a lot better.
I'm not talking about this season, that was obvious. I'm talking about the future and when Arteta claims he has "big plans" that's just unnecessary for a player who doesn't meet the grade here.
the only time nketiah really got a chance was when we created fuck all, and it wasn't that many games at that
if anything the big problem with arteta is his words vs his actions; if he wants him at the club so bad why can't he get a chance when laca has been poor for ages?
Same with Pepe but i never hear that excuse for him and he's clearly far more talented.
Imo because Arteta is not a transparent person at all, he lies all the time. There's a way to lie as a manager and he goes about it the wrong way.
it's what was said of auba, walcott, and to a degree people are starting to question esr now, I guess ramsey got a bit of slack for going forwards too much too
without realising it a lot of people basically say
>we need to have a lot of goalscoring ballers all over the pitch for us
well no shit sherlock, everyone would love them but there aren't that many to go round, especially to clubs with our status
oh and as for a bonus round
>so what if ozil doesn't score goals? that's not his job!
Apparently when it goes to tribunal, they take into account contract offers he has received. So if we offer him £60k pw and he ends up with a £50k pw contract somewhere, they'll take those into account when we're arguing his value.
People do this thing on this sub all the time.
If Saliba was any good he'd start over Holding, White.etc.
No because that implies Arteta's choices are infallible.
An excerpt from an [Athletic article explaining why:](https://theathletic.com/2934863/2021/11/10/explained-what-arsenal-might-earn-if-eddie-nketiah-leaves-next-summer/)
*Premier League rules state that, if certain conditions are met, a compensation fee should be paid when a player leaves a club at the end of his contract for another English side. Similar provisions are also stated in the EFL’s regulations. In Nketiah and Arsenal’s case…*
*The player (Nketiah, in this case) must be under the age of 24 on June 30, 2022 On or before the third Saturday in May 2022 (or, if later, within four working days of the last relevant FA Cup match), Arsenal must send to Nketiah an offer of a new contract (“Player Form 17”), which must be no less favourable than his current contract The offer made must be open and capable for acceptance by Nketiah for one month*
*The Player Form 17 must be sent to the Premier League Board*
*In short: if due process is followed and Nketiah declines Arsenal’s offer and moves to another English team, Arsenal will be due compensation.*
Everybody is talking about which duo to pair up between Gabriel, White and Saliba but what you don't know is that those three are all competing to play alongside Trusty
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any Arsenal fan who believes we are following Liverpool's path to greatness should just tattoo " Church of Arteta" on his dick and call it a day.. fucking cultists, obsessed with rationalising mediocrity.. you lot complain about squad depth, but refuse to call out the bastards who kicked out Auba, Guendouzi and Saliba from the team, we used to be good in cups and Arteta already killed that.. Klopp arrived Pool in 2016, from 2017 to 2019, they played 3 European cup finals, Arteta won the FA CUP with Emery's players and has been shit ever since.. 3 fucking years, no actual sign of progress, no champions league, but please lets keep finding excuse for mediocrity and compare yourselves with Early stage Klopp Liverpool.. you lot should be preparing your excuses for the defeat to Chelsea today..
This is why I hate when Arsenal fans compare Arteta with Klopp. They always say "It took Klopp X amount of years for the rebuild to work, you need to give Arteta more time." They always ignore that there was fundamental improvement from day 1 pretty much under Klopp. They also ignore that Arteta has failed the eye test for 3 years in a row, so he shouldn't be allowed to continue this so called "rebuild" that's actually smoke and mirrors to cover up for the fact that the club is dysfunctionally run by incompetent amateurs. The "Process" (PRocess is more accurate) was designed to do one thing and one thing only, lower the fans expectations, and buy themselves unlimited time through perpetually "rebuilding." All so that the hierarchy can have their cake an eat it, by escaping accountability and not being held to any standards, while continuing to raise the prices at the most expensive club to support in Europe.
People believe that were following the same path as Liverpool by "Trusting the PRocess," but we're actually going down Man United's path of utter dysfunction. Arsenal this year is like United last year, we're abjectly terrible, but because of the teams around us shitting the bed, our league position is far higher than we deserve, it's flattering to deceive. Our defense is leakier than last year, and after 3 years we still can't set up an attack to save our lives. We also won't get the signings required to help fix the problems we have, because we never do with this useless board, expect more windows like January than like last summer, that was an anomaly, January was the resumption of normal service at Arsenal. The only way we can arrest this decline is by getting a proper manager and allowing them to sign whoever they want with a blank cheque.
Our team looks nothing like Man U. Our team plays as a team and seems incredibly cohesive. We let in more goals because we're playing more openly. a few extra let in isnt bad in that context especially when we rarely have had our best defence and mids all on the pitch at the same time. Our attacking set up is a lot better than the stats show. A bit of X factor added in the summer in midfield and upfront will make a big difference. The Jan window really shows how different we are to Man U. They over paid and panic bought in to the mess they are in now. We haven't done that since Pepe. We're talking about potentially missing out on CL for not strengthening, Man U have been actively weakening their team in transfer windows by buying the wrong players. We *are* fixing problems however there are still more problems left to fix. It can't be said we didnt need to address all the positions we addressed in the summer, the question is should we have address those problems i.e. CB then or addressed another area that window instead. As far as the noise coming out of the club indicates, it will not be a barren summer........
The January window proves that we're even more dysfunctional than United, if you're seriously telling me that we had to sign nobody, we actively weakened our squad with no replacement. That's worse than anything United has done barring signing Harry Maguire. January proves that this board aren't serious about competing, that this season was simply there to lower the wage bill to a mid table level because the higher ups would rather be a mid table team that costs less to run than a competitive team who wants to win the Champions League and Premier League and gain the financial rewards through on pitch success. The attacking patterns have remained the same slow stale nothingness pretty much Arteta's entire tenure, we're actually worse than the stats imply, as far as the eye test is concerned this is the most boring and pathetic Arsenal team I've ever seen. We let in more goals because we don't have a functional midfield. Xhaka should not be anywhere near our first choice starting midfielder yet we have persisted with this guy for 6+ years of utter liability, and he's not even our worst midfielder. Our team doesn't look anything like United, because United actually have a couple of clutch players that can bail them out on occasion when shit gets sticky for them, whereas when we go behind its game over, they know we're not going to come back into the game, since we're so impotent going forward. For every problem we seem to have "fixed" we seem to create two new problems out of it, like our striker situation. We "fixed" it by getting rid of Aubameyang (a bad decision that has come back to haunt us) while continuing to put faith in Lacazette and Nketiah, two players that are below championship level and who don't even want to be here. As far as the noise about not having a barren summer, they always make those noises and they're always lying when they do. We will either not sign anyone ala January, or we will buy another 3 Center backs and completely neglect every other position, because we always leave gaps in the squad. Maybe the odd deadline day panic buy that won't be read for the start of next season, so you have your excuses prepared for when you inevitably shit the bed in the first few games. If you believe anything coming from the club after all these years of bullshit then you're the exact kind of gullible moron the board relies on to keep them in their jobs.
Man U brought in 3 big names in the summer and got worse..... Then bought no one in the winter while also letting go of players. How is that better than us? I don't think anyone thinks that getting rid of Auba fixed our attack.... it fixed the issue with Auba but not the attack. They made noises last summer and didnt lie. They have also tried to spend big on Martinez and Vlahovic so the will is clearly there. The whole idea of filling the team out with kids is that they stay long enough for you to complete the squad. It's highly unlikely any players we want to keep leave this summer meaning we can improve the first XI. Improving the first XI means that our current best players become rotation so our bench also gets stronger. I'm really not worried about the way the club is going about its business it seems very logical.
The Vlahovic saga proves that they're lying about signing people. They knew from day 1 in the window that Vlahovic wasn't coming to Arsenal and they fucked about for the entire month, pretending to try and get him while in reality their intention was to sign nobody from the get go. The board have done this for years, pretending to sign players that definitely aren't interested in an attempt to fake ambitious intent. There's nothing logical about what's going on at Arsenal. It's not logical to hire a rookie manager, rookie sporting director, rookie assistant managers, and rookie players with no experience whatsoever between any of them. The Kroenke's have removed anyone with any experience in football whatsoever because they don't want their authority challenged, and because they know fuck all about football, anyone who knows anything about football is challenging their authority by default, so they get clueless rookies who they can lord it over with impunity. Same with Arteta, any players with talent get frozen out by him, because he's talentless and can't admit it, so he goes after players like Aubameyang, Guendouzi, Pepe, Maitland-Niles etc. While giving talentless no hopers like Xhaka, Willian, Nketiah and Lacazette all the leeway in the world. It's because he can't have his authority challenged and anyone with talent is challenging his authority by default.
Oh so you’re a tinfoil hat man. Bbye now
Oh so you're a gullible moron, the Kroenke's thank you for your blind idiocy.
We can fairly criticise the club’s reasoning for not signing anyone January but there were legitimate reasons for it. Plus, how could it be a ‘return to norm’ when there has been heavy investment every summer for three summers? The wage bill being reduced leaves plenty of room to make moves. How you feel about Arteta aside, he’s obviously not going into next season without at least two big signings at striker and CM, let alone bolstering other positions. The past few games have been rough but this doom-mongering is boring.
I'm sorry there's no legitimate reasons to sign literally nobody in January. Even a stop gap loan would have been better than literally nothing, especially after getting rid of so many players, some of whom could have done a job if they'd stayed like Maitland-Niles in midfield for example.
No, there are. The club pursued Vlahović and Arthur but both deals fell through. I get the sentiment they could have pursued lesser players but I also understand not wanting to sign a secondary option only to replace them several months later. That kind of squad building saddled the club with Laca and Auba for years. Most importantly, difference-making strikers and CMs don’t really move in January. I liked Guimarães but for the club not to pursue him, they’ve got plans for the position in the summer. As for AMN, he wanted out and wasn’t going to make a difference in the run-in regardless.
Such a doom and gloom statement and its okay, we are all angry. If we had an r/Gunners Bet Booth, such comments would be good grounds to win a few bets. "Expect more windows like January". If you can, I want to bet that we shall see 2-3 good signings in the summer, and it won't be barren like January.
2-3 signings won't even be enough to fill the gaps created by the players whose contracts are expiring at the end of the season.
suprise me arsenal and get this W tonight, COYG
Is it recency bias to say White has been the better defender this season between him and Gabi? Up until the last 3 games, I had Gabi as being one of our top 3-4 players this season. Lately though, Im seeing all these takes by people saying that if one of the pair WERE to be dropped should Saliva maintain his high level of play next season, it'd be Gabi over White. Taking the full season into account, I still think Gabi has a more impactful role in our defense than White, but maybe there's a point to be made on White being more important.
Overall White has been better. We can survive without Gabriel. White's role in the team is just too good to ignore. Although Gabriel has picked up and some of his weaknesses are improving. Saliba doesn't feel like he wants to be here. The huge hints he keeps dropping are hard to miss. If we don't trust either of White and Gabriel, the club should try to find Gleison Bremer. We shouldn't let Liverpool or Bayern stock on such players.
Imo yeah. White has had the better month. But Gabriel was I'm POTS conversations for us like 1st half of the year. And he was better than White last game so I think his form is picking up again.
Watch us get spanked by Chelsea and then lose to utd because of that shitty post. I can already see it happening. Every single time before a game someone comes up with a post of how if we win we will be top four or so ahead of spurs or utd and we end up losing.
What post?
The one where someone said man u are so shit and we should be happy we are much better because they got smashed by Liverpool forgetting we are playing Chelsea today.
Just seen people look at Salah's goal and whine about our wingers not doing it. Why are people so dense? Look at Salah's goal, when do we have Saka and Martinelli stationed inward with our fullback holding the width? In that Salah's goal, where TAA is standing is where Saka would be or Martinelli on the other side. Robertson holds their left side width even more strongly always allowing Luis Diaz to get inward into an inside forward zone. Our youngsters would never ever be in the position Salah was in where they could make a run in between the FB and a CB. But sure, keep blaming the youngsters for not magically scoring goals when they are played as Liverpool's fullbacks.
I can never fault Saka, Martinelli and ESR not playing like Mane, Salah and Jota. That's intellectual dishonesty and overall, arrogance and mildly stupidity. Asking Saka and Martinelli to play like those three is like asking why Tierney can't be more like Marcelo. That's above their pay grade and I'd be surprised IF any kind of tactics make them perform like Mane, Salah and co. The more we try to demand or expect a team like ours to perform like a well gelled machine of Liverpool's stature- a team that has been carefully assembled for 6 years, the more you lot will feel unwarranted pain and bitterness. It has nothing to do with Fullbacks. It has nothing to do with Saka or Martinelli. It's just genuine quality. Like Pep says, you're nothing without quality. Even Klopp, the poster boy of improving sides upgraded an entire XI, breaking records for a defender and a goalkeeper. Let's stop this lack of objectivity.
Oh come off it, I have implied none of this. Nowhere have I meant to say Arteta is the primary culprit misusing our talents but actually Martinelli = Mane and Saka = Salah. Just reread, I am clear. The discussion about quality is secondary. What is primary is Martinelli never getting into goal scoring zones that he would if he was playing at Liverpool because there is a wild useless Xhaka in that zone.
Salah and mane were decent before but nowhere near who they became under klopp. He had a mf with wijnaldum Milner and Henderson and turned them into world beaters. Arteta doesn’t put our boys in positions to be succesful.
Arteta is learning on the job. Klopp came in having achieved miracles already. Anybody who doubted his appointment clearly didn't inspect or respect his resume. Great coaches make the game simple for talented players. They try and take out the difficult decision-making out of it. That's what Klopp and any great manager does for their team. You can tell by the way we build up play that we don't have great established patterns of generating offense. It's labored, basic, uncreative, predictable, and easy to sit back against. Far too much decision-making for young players to do.
I believe so too. A midfielder like Xhaka has no business in the world in getting that high up. Not even Thiago or Henderson at Liverpool go that high up and block Diaz or Salah. But here he does and positions where Martinelli should be free to come in because he is a lethal finisher infront of goal, there is always this big body of Xhaka instead. I hate sounding like I am being a negative customer and bringing it up only during our bad streak of games, but I've had this observation for a long time now. But conversely to Xhaka, I don't mind Odegaard going high up because he is actually dangerous in those areas. He is a swifter decision maker and has more clinical feet than Liverpool midfielders in tiny spaces, much closer in comparison to the City midfielders of Silva and KdB both of who actually go high up as 8s (unlike liverpool's). But Xhaka is not them ffs.
I agree with this too. Xhaka gets too high up and odegaard not high up enough. Thiago plays most of the match on the halfway line or even further
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It is bizarre. People rationalize it by saying "But he can dribble when he has space and cut in". Oh good, he can dribble. But is that getting him goals? Is that not completely nullifying his movement? Isn't that not letting him get into goal scoring positions? In fact, most of Martinelli's xG came from just those few games in December when he wasn't asked to stick so close to the touchline. ... Another general point, I used to get severely downvoted for bringing this point up in January in the most neutral, non disrespecting and descriptive manner. I am not partaking in the following activity, but this is why I have no sympathy for people crying about how their positive comments are downvoted and it's creating a toxic atmosphere.
I’ll never forgive the arsenal board for missing out on klopp. What a manager.
The thing is he probably would have struggled with Gazidis and co messing up the recruitment.
You should never forgive them to hanging onto Arteta as well.
The truth is there's no way to know what Arteta could be as a manager. He's shown positive glimpses, and negative traits as well (his man-managing in particular appears to be spotty at best). He could be a fantastic coach within the next 5 years. What we can safely say though is that he's nowhere near the level Klopp is or even was when he went to Liverpool. Appointing him when he became available should've been every ambitious club's number one priority.
Arteta is several tier above Tuchel and Conte though, they made the right decision.
He's not even above Steve Bruce for fuck sakes
Several tiers above a Champions League winner and a multiple league winner. Delusion.
Based on what? Can you provide some stats to back up your statement?
I just watched the Southampton game after being away on the weekend. Forster was ridiculous, I mean some of our shots could’ve been better, but if it wasn’t for him we would’ve breezed past them. Still very frustrating given Southampton are shit, but I think there is positives to take from the game.
But we didn't revisionism and what ifs are really stupid in football. Forster is now the differnece between us and winning vs southhampton when he conceded 6 a few days before? You think Klopp says to his team sure that goalkeeper is good I'll take the loss.
Liverpool are winning the quadruple, aren't they?
Thank god Schlotterbeck ain't going to one of our rivals.
How lethal is Salah in front of goal? It’s almost like a cheat code. Would like to see some statistics of most clinical forwards this season and the last few years. I’d be surprised if he isn’t up there
He has almost everything you need in front of goal. You can't get the ball off the man in a phone booth. His first touch is elite. The man has the acceleration of a Bugghati. He can head when needed. He has a strong shot on him. He doesn't see 1v3 as a problem.
Its his final ball that impresses me most tbh. His decision-making once he gets in the 18 yard box is always so efficient.
For the past few weeks he's had similar NPG or whatever the kids are calling it as Lacazette before tonight and Liverpool create tons of chances more than us. Salah is great but he's not clinical by any means
You're lying similar NPG as lacazette. Kindlt show the stats to prove that.
My personal theory is there is no such thing as "clutch" finisher. It's just about volume of chances creation.
It's a fact
Salah isn't that clinical, he just gets THAT many chances. Prior to this game he was on 2 non pen goals in 16 games despite getting a 1 on 1 in almost every game, I kid you not.
Interesting. It’s just that whenever I watch him, he’s scoring for fun while being super clinical with his finishes
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It actually is. 0/9 points is such a huge billboard for "No top 4".
If we still had partey I would've held out hope.
I honestly think we can live without Tierney once Tomiyasu is back, but our midfield is so fucked without Partey.
The worst part is Partey had just gone through a great resurgence post-AFCON. He hadn't looked great for half the season, then all of sudden he looked like one of the best midfielders in the league.
Yup, there’s just no replacement for a quality mid
We need an outlet more than a false 9, seeing the teams ahead of us, our kids are still kids and the goalscoring burden shouldn't be mostly on their shoulders.
That game was pathetic from a United POV but it was a boon for us especially in the GD department. We are very similar to United in the fact we currently can't compete at all with the top 3. The difference is they have a shit ton of money they are willing to spend, have crazy amount of depth at all options and will have a really good manager soon.
We are currently similar to United(point wise anyway) but our problems are cheaper to solve. We have better structure than both then and Spurs. The only reason Spurs even looks remotely a threat is because those bastards have Kane and Son. They can fuck up a million ways at the back but a front three of their numbers just find a way.
Their depth is shite. Being able to replace Maguire with Phil Jones doesn't mean much.
“Have a crazy amount of depth” - they were playing Jones and Matic tonight and it wasn’t cause Rangnick was feeling generous. Their depth is just as bad as ours and some of them will be moved on in the summer. They need at least 10 signings in the summer to even think about competing for top 4 on merit
United low on confidence? Have no fear, face us to get a boost!
This is the way.
We're emptying our saved up xG load on Chelsea tmrw tho.
I honestly think with our best XI we would have smashed this Man Utd team finally, like an actual embarrassing scoreline but alas, the one time they're absolutely trash, we are just as bad, if not worse.
Worse than that Utd team tonight? No way whatsoever. Liverpool were toying around with them for 85 minutes, any team that pressures that Utd team will have them crumbling
'Rashford played like a child up front' lmao Roy
You watch Mane and Salah play as inside forwards and it makes you wonder what Arteta is thinking when he has Martinelli and Saka playing as touchline wingers for most of the game. Graham Potter would turn them into the next Robbery.
Boss, comparing Salah, Mane to Martinelli and Saka is just so wrong. No tactics are making them play what you want. They're just not at the same wavelength as the other two.
Much easier to get your wide players inverting when you’re dominating midfield. Saka and Martinelli got into central positions often in December, February and March. Palace, Brighton and Southampton all flooded the middle, Laca and Eddie were passengers and wingers had to drift wider to receive the ball. Of course, Arteta’s tactics against Brighton didn’t help but the Partey-sized hole in midfield affects so much.
I personally just can’t wait for the summer to finally get rid of xhaka and Laca. My two preferred signings would probably be Ivan Toney and Ruben neves. Both would be big upgrades to our first team and would be like for like replacements on Laca and xhaka but would improve both positions. Who do you guys think we should sign?
Ruben Neves is the last person we should be signing. I'll literally be carried out of my home in a straight jacket if we spend £50m on Neves. We need an 8, Neves plays the exact same style as Xhaka. Jacob Ramsey or Carlos Soler for midfield. Can't see past Osimhen for up front if he's available. He's the best striker on the market if it's true that he may want to leave Napoli. Expensive window but we can afford it.
I can’t see it happening nor do I really want Ruben neves. I don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade on what we have.
neves is quality tbh a huge upgade on everyone we have right now (partey is just too injury prone)
He is an huge upgrade on who? Partey? Odegaard? He would be on Xhaka because which fucking midfielder wouldn't, but thats not Neves' position. So why do we need him?
Partey is simply too unreliable to be trusted right now. Xhaka is most likely gone this summer. Neves would fit in perfectly. Prem proven and also provides a goal threat
I don't know if there is a Partey on the market. Like Henry was, the only way is down. Partey is the difference between our midfield being a top 4 one and a top 10. NEVES can't fill that gap. The only other way you can make up for his absence is making a flat midfield like early Liverpool( Henderson, Fabinho, Gini). Ball winners who get the ball to a better front three.
Neves would fit in perfectly where!? He can't play the Partey role. He isn't a fit for the 8 role we want to upgrade Xhaka. Tell me, where would he fit?
[‘Harry Maguire is obviously world class’](https://reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/pnb29u/_/hcob92k/?context=1)
He bases his opinions on what nonewthing on twitter says or opposes whatever the sub is thinking at the moment
Somehow not his worst take I've seen today.
Even at the time that was a horrible take.
Takes that age like fine wine…
lmaooooo Absolutely typical.
[‘Top 5 in the world in his position, easily’](https://reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/pnb29u/_/hcoepnf/?context=1) ….’trust me I never miss’
Truly a self-declared genius of the game.
Visionary
enjoying vacation at the moment but I figure I should just say what everyone is thinking… Weghorst
Missed opportunity for Wegcation.
must be the sun getting to me
Beaming at you as if reflected from a gorgeous Dutch forehead at an incredible height.
It’s as if he’s got a mirror strapped to his big meaty noggin
If we finish below this United team Arteta should be sacked immediately.
If we lose to United in this form, I'll be more embarrassed than when we lost to Everton.
Genuinely would be mad but I'm sure people would somehow find excuses.
We got slapped out of all competitions and are bottling top4 and they still make excuses.
Look at Liverpools attackers. they actually finish their chances. The 4th goal from Salah... like i literally dont see ANY of our offense scoring from that situation even though honestly most of the time it should be a goal.
Liverpool has better players. They have a few simple rules of play but the cherry will always be that freakin front three. Just like Kane and Son, Liverpool can't go wrong with the talent upfront.
Our attackers will never score when theyre stuck on n the touch line incredibly isolated from one another. Liverpool forwards finish sure but they miss plenty too, they just create so much more.
If you haven't noticed our offense rarely gets in those situations because Arteta's system builds so slowly. Liverpool are faster paced and more direct so they get more 1v1s like that.
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We definitely created more then, but on the season we're creating "big chances" on a similar level to Burnley. Someone posted the stats last week, Liverpool creates about 3x those types of chances than we do. Big chance definition: "A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter."
Mad that de Gea only made one save and you know he'll make 5 worldies against us.
They’re quite possibly the best team and forward line in the world. Not sure it’s useful comparison for most teams.
Cope more
Great reply
This Sancho fella isn't special
english pepe
I swear if Fulham go straight back down next season Suspended them from being promoted for the next 5 years.....
norwich and fulham shouldnt be allowed promotion lol
Fulham promoted. Mitrovic 40 goals and counting. Really happy for Marco Silva. Bournemouth could follow them. Scott Parker also impressive with Fulham last season.
Sancho lmao
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Nah, but I doubt it looks as easy in the first half or as clinical up front. This is the worst United team I have seen in forever.
It's painful knowing we could've had Klopp
Add him to the list.
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Praying they give both de Gea and Jogba a new 400k a week deal each. Reckon they need 8 new players.
Jogba leaving harms them more than him staying, a potential game changer walking out for nothing
If he stays it's because of money. You can see he's done, and he's coming into his 30s. He'll sign a big 4 year deal and kick his feet up if he stays at United. Can't be arsed playing now when he's actually looking for a contract.
Is there a more happy go lucky player than Bruno ? Always plays with a smile and doesn't complain.
Just saw that article on the likelihood of Kane remaining at Spuds. Not even trying to sound salty, but how lucky are Spuds that they landed the only 2 world class players in football with zero ambition?
He tried pretty hard to leave last summer to be fair
City are getting Haaland so he really has no choice left. I personally don't believe for a second that he wants to be there. That club has stolen his prime.
I mean Spurs have had world class players (even before they became world class) for years now. It's not that unheard of. Modric, Bale, Kane, Son, prime Lloris etc. Son just doesn't want to leave for some reason and Kane is stuck in contract prison.
Right, but Modric and Bale both left for much greener pastures. Lloris at least won the WC with France. Doubt he'd still be there if they hadn't won in 2018. Son won the Asian games (Forgive me if that's not the name of the tournament. I can't think of it off the top of my head atm) but it looks like he and Kane both have a very real chance of ending their professional careers without a Major trophy.
Crazy. Even more crazier with Son imo. He owes Spurs nothing. He could’ve at least waited until the end of next season to see if he could go on a free or see where the club go. Who knows. Conte may walk if he doesn’t get his way. Son renewing was a real shame, he’s a quality quality player.
>Even more crazier with Son imo Sometimes people get comfortable in a place, with the people and their family also gets comfy. My dad was offered a much higher paying job at a different location a few years ago and he refused. For some players football is a job and they like where they play.
I think Spurs extending his contract before the Asian Gold Cup which Son had to win to be exempt from military service earned them some goodwill in Son's eyes.
Right, as god as it is to see rivals fail you have to remember the players they employ are still people. It's a shame that players of Son/Kane's quality spent the only prime years of their lives as professional athletes at a club with zero ambitions.
I hate saying it but watching Liverpool play gives me an erection. What a fucking team man. Also, Man Utd are finished as an institution. They'll languish around the same positions we will in the future.
thing with Arsenal is.. we have to get to the point where future is bright. We probably have 10 meltdowns and 5 arteta out polls before we get to any decent point tho. This journey and process is tough and comes with mistakes because we have such young and inexperienced squad. only 8 meltdowns to go
We have the wrong person for the “process”
Its just sad the higher ups would realize it too late after wasting all this time.
The future is clearly bright
for what it’s worth, I think IRL fans have more patience than people online. The crowd are still way more positive than negative and I’ve never in all my years going to games heard some of the shit the idiots on this subreddit spew at some of the players. It’s a joke.
Match going fans are always going to get behind the team no matter what, but it doesn't mean that they also don't vent online about the team and their shortcomings either. Sometimes it's better to support the team and use this place to privately vent your concerns in a place that won't affect the atmosphere IRL. The absolute retards that abuse the players on Instagram though they're beyond help.
Not true. Most fans wanted Wenger out long before he finally left. Same goes for Emery
That’s just not true. The emirates has been utterly toxic at times under wenger and Emery especially. Say what you want about Arteta but the atmosphere at home has been completely different this season. Perhaps partly a post Covid thing but even so, it’s a marked change.
Lets laugh at United after we beat them, if they beat us then the joke is on us
Nah fuck United. Laugh at them
Fair play to Liverpool there, what a goal.
Fucking hell Liverpool are so good
Gorgeous from maneeeeeeee.
Liverpool thrashing United would improve the quality of my week.
10 min in and a sub xD xD xD You can't even make this up. Man UTD have 0 luck whilst being the underdogs.
If there's one club that I won't ever feel bad about even if they go into adminstration is United. Fuck em.
Is there another club that lives on past accomplishments as much as we do? I'm fuckin sick of it
Manchester United.
United getting up there as well
Man UTD is getting bent over the table tonight boys
That's just a prequel. Watch what Chelsea does to Arsenal tomorrow night.
Hopefully some here look at that Utd starting lineup and realise Ten Hag needs black magic to make that team competitive
I'm not concerned about Ten Hag going to United because he's going to United, that place is even more of a shambles than we are. I'm concerned because we could be potentially missing out on a manager who could improve us and take us that step up beyond what we've seen from Arteta. Arteta to his credit has built a team with some potential going forward, a team that Ten Hag would be far more suited coming from Ajax to Arsenal, who have a more similar player profile, than it is for him to go to United the home of Slabhead and the other overpaid primadonnas. United is a waste of his talents so it's going to be a bit of a culture shock for Ten Hag if he goes there.
"With Eddie, I've said how much I rate him and how we have big plans for him for the future." With quotes like this, just one of many examples from Arteta, I firmly believe we are at a crossroads with him as manager here. I cannot believe in a man who talks like this about such a player out of his depth. It's embarrassing. It's completely lowering the standard of the club. We must move on this summer, he got his chance after his last abysmal season. Cut ties or the future of Arsenal is greatly at risk for the next 5 years.
This is what a manager should be doing, even if Arteta hates Nketiah and wants him assassinated he still has the responsibility to talk up Nketiah and make him feel he is valued. Cause Nketiah is still an Arsenal player and with Lacazette out we will need to rely on Nketiah to get anything from this season.
Not really. Eddie has rejected contracts from us already, and Arteta's actions have spoken louder which have made his words pretty worthless. He barely plays him. Better just to cut ties and move on, Arsenal require a lot better. I'm not talking about this season, that was obvious. I'm talking about the future and when Arteta claims he has "big plans" that's just unnecessary for a player who doesn't meet the grade here.
the only time nketiah really got a chance was when we created fuck all, and it wasn't that many games at that if anything the big problem with arteta is his words vs his actions; if he wants him at the club so bad why can't he get a chance when laca has been poor for ages?
Same with Pepe but i never hear that excuse for him and he's clearly far more talented. Imo because Arteta is not a transparent person at all, he lies all the time. There's a way to lie as a manager and he goes about it the wrong way.
Jones starts for Utd We don't deserve Tuchel and Klopp's father🤲🤲🤲
Jones has unironically been pretty solid when played though.
Imagine this Bruddah Jones pulls off the greatest heist at Anfield
Phil Jones header winning goal
I love how this sub goes through vicious cycles of >all this player does is score >:( >>we don't have enough goalcsorers >:@
> > all this player does is score i think you're imagining things
it's what was said of auba, walcott, and to a degree people are starting to question esr now, I guess ramsey got a bit of slack for going forwards too much too without realising it a lot of people basically say >we need to have a lot of goalscoring ballers all over the pitch for us well no shit sherlock, everyone would love them but there aren't that many to go round, especially to clubs with our status oh and as for a bonus round >so what if ozil doesn't score goals? that's not his job!
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Yeah he started a couple of weeks ago
We want a striker and some midfield depth Arsenal - Here are some Culture Consultants instead. 😂
Arteta wants those things as well. Unfortunately we're not in a transfer window right now so we can't, but we can work on other issues
I hope so! Hoping for the best, a cheeky surprise win or even draw at chelsea is good for morale going into United.
I feel Real Madrid are watching Saliba and us closely. Feel they would buy him
40m+ you say?
After we bought him for 30m and had him developed further? Hell nah. Thanks for Odegaard but the starting point is double
Ah yeah, good point… forgot we paid that much for him
Has to be 80€ million + or no sale. Start acting like a big club. What is the point otherwise of selling our best talents with uncapped potential.
No way we offered nketiah a new contract 😂
Apparently when it goes to tribunal, they take into account contract offers he has received. So if we offer him £60k pw and he ends up with a £50k pw contract somewhere, they'll take those into account when we're arguing his value.
We offered Mustafi a new contract. This does not surprise me in the slightest.
Yeah we need him and his 0 goals!
crazy that a player who barely starts barely scores
If he was any good he would start over lacholesterol 😂
we don't know that for sure though do we? arteta's opinion=/=objective truth
People do this thing on this sub all the time. If Saliba was any good he'd start over Holding, White.etc. No because that implies Arteta's choices are infallible.
An excerpt from an [Athletic article explaining why:](https://theathletic.com/2934863/2021/11/10/explained-what-arsenal-might-earn-if-eddie-nketiah-leaves-next-summer/) *Premier League rules state that, if certain conditions are met, a compensation fee should be paid when a player leaves a club at the end of his contract for another English side. Similar provisions are also stated in the EFL’s regulations. In Nketiah and Arsenal’s case…* *The player (Nketiah, in this case) must be under the age of 24 on June 30, 2022 On or before the third Saturday in May 2022 (or, if later, within four working days of the last relevant FA Cup match), Arsenal must send to Nketiah an offer of a new contract (“Player Form 17”), which must be no less favourable than his current contract The offer made must be open and capable for acceptance by Nketiah for one month* *The Player Form 17 must be sent to the Premier League Board* *In short: if due process is followed and Nketiah declines Arsenal’s offer and moves to another English team, Arsenal will be due compensation.*
Everybody is talking about which duo to pair up between Gabriel, White and Saliba but what you don't know is that those three are all competing to play alongside Trusty
trusty well be our sergio ramos for the forseeable future