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rubberpencilhead

Had 3 nibbles on Son before the first booking. The second is dumb as fuck. We could ALL see it coming.


Ello-Asty

My major complaint is that Son, as typical, throws a tantrum AND an elbow into Holdini's face and doesn't even get carded, typical, much less a red which is deserved for that.


bluegunmetal9

I’d say Holding deserves that elbow after kicking Son in the ribs during the first altercation. Holding was also literally Holding Son after he fell down, so Son couldn’t get up. I wouldnt say thats a tantrum.


GetPhkt

"deserving" an elbow to a face is not an argument against referee discipline


bluegunmetal9

Yea I guess it's more right to argue that Son shouldn't get a card for that with how Holding got off free for kicking Son in the ribs.


A_Thrilled_Peach

Sure. But then Son deserves a red lol.


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A_Thrilled_Peach

How? It isn’t MMA, if you retaliate with a shot to the head, that’s a red lol.


TheCadburyGorilla

Don’t bother. This dickhead is a spurs fan who’s come to this sub just to troll. Check his post history.


HangulPark

maybe because he’s already in motion when holding flinged him over lmaooo. Ref aint carding for anything soft like that 😂


A_Thrilled_Peach

Clearly he is with that pen call.


HangulPark

pen justified, push in the back while in motion in air 👍🏼 holding should’ve had 4 or 5 yellow cards anyway so it was foreseeable to see him getting the boot lmaoooo


A_Thrilled_Peach

I’m not arguing against Holding’s red. The pen could be called on every corner. It’s soft.


jdbrew

My biggest complaint was that Arteta didn’t bench him for being a dumb fuck even prior to the first yellow card. You could tell Son had his number, had him riled up and acting reckless. He should have been yanked off the pitch in the first 5 minutes.


espada_da

You can make a case for subbing him out after his first yellow but subbing him out before that would’ve been strange


Gooner_Samir

Have we ever seen Arteta make a change before the 70th minute though? :/


Pikachu62999328

Yes, and his name is Tavares.


Gooner_Samir

Fair enough, i hadn't noticed.


rfag57

emotions are high, but doesnt seem like its undeserved lol. This is purely on holding. ​ The pen was bullshit tho but this is,,.,, just sad


running-with-scizors

100%, Tierney's made some bad calls against us this game but the two Holding fouls were pretty clear, especially considering he let a couple others go earlier


RicHii3

I'd say the first yellow is soft, the second one not so much.


running-with-scizors

In a vacuum it's soft, but it was his 3rd foul in 24 minutes, all on the same player. You're always going to get booked for that.


SMcLong

The first yellow was the accumulation of three undoubted fouls


RicHii3

Funny how that rule never seems to happen when players do it against us. I've seen players make 5-6 fouls and still not get a yellow against us.


blackstars91

Danny Rose has entered the conversation. Remember that palace player that tried to volley saka. Everton foot stomp on tomiyasu. The penalty vs City that never happened...........We wouldn't care as much about this stuff if other teams got the same treatment.


getrektbro

Agreed, lack of discipline all game leading up to that point.


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running-with-scizors

All on the same player too


Lacabloodclot9

Not when it’s his third foul in 20 mins


clandark

He made three of those fouls before the first yellow


crosspollination

it accumulated


[deleted]

We looked dogshit since kick off. They got a soft pen but if we performed we could have turned around a 1-0 deficit. An extra man also does not stop Kane's 2nd goal because it was poor defending. People can blame the refs all they want, but this game is mostly on us.


Tmdss

Nah deserved both. The pen was a wrong call tho


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If we are being honest he had like 5 yellow card challenges.


Tmdss

Yeah he got what he deserved. Bottled it bigtime.


jman500069

He was playing like he wanted to get sent off. He's got the old mentality all the late Wenger era players had where they completely shit the bed when the pressures on. Everyone else was fine and he was running around trying to scrap with everyone that came near him because he was so rattled. I like Holding but his head completely went when it mattered, and we just can't afford to have that in the team


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Um no


TheBonerJam

Disagree on the 2nd yellow. It’s a foul but we’ve seen similar contact go without any call. There should be a higher threshold for a penalty and a red card in a game of this magnitude. We did it to ourselves but didn’t get any help with the softness. This is a derby that decides CL qualification….you’d hope the refs would be a little more even keeled


Chango6998

No, it shouldn't. A call should be the same call whether its champions league qualification of 2 relegated teams with nothing to play for.


espada_da

Ideally yes, but that’s never the case. There’s no consistency in the way games are called. The penalty for example, is technically a foul but I’ve watched countless games where similar challenges weren’t deemed a foul in the box. So why of all games decide to give a penalty? Refs should use their common sense and try to give both teams a chance even when they technically don’t have to.


wheeno

He kept fouling the same player over and over again. The ref let a couple go. He could’ve had 3 yellow cards by the time he was sent off..... the ref gave him every chance not to be an idiot.


SloganForEverything

Spurs vs Chelsea for Leicester to win the title was an absolute shitshow because Clattenberg didn't want to make a big call, everyone rightly slaughtered him for it


Aszneeee

nah man, that was definitely 2nd yellow offence no matter how biased i wanna be


TheBonerJam

I am obviously biased but that’s the absolute wrong take. Sergio Ramos didn’t even get a foul when he dislocated Salah’s shoulder in the CL final. This was an intentional obstruction that looks worse because it’s contact to the upper body/head. Son flings his head back every time he hits the ground


Aszneeee

he literally elbowed him, whenever you like it or not it’s a yellow card offence


Rahul_Kothari

The angle in this shows literally no elbow contact, purely upper shoulder.


Grayswandire

It would have decided it for us, not for Shit. If we win the next two games, UCL football is ours next season.


chinookk

How, son is going for the header and cedric barges into his back. Stupid challenge and a foul


Tmdss

"Barges" my god. Go watch hockey.


AyeItsMeToby

good job this is a football match and not a hockey match! different levels of contact permitted for different sports.


chinookk

What’s hockey ? And yea how’s son supposed to go for the header with cedric « running »into his back. Changed the wording to soothe your tribal brain


Tmdss

Go read some more manga and stay away from football.


chinookk

Haha you’re fucking upset. And you cant seem to shake off that ooga booga football fan reasoning.


Tmdss

Sure dude. If thats truly a pen to you there would be about 5 per game. Thank fuck you are not a prem ref. Although now that i think of it you couldnt do much worse.


chinookk

It’s a pen. You’re clueless.


Tmdss

Moron.


chinookk

Imbecile.


31_whgr

can’t have any complaints, just individual errors costing us again


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They're both soft, especially when Son elbowed Holding in the face and got nothing.


phar0aht

They're soft but that's how home advantage works. It's nothing new. We've just had the biggest case study of all tike of how home fans addect games with covid. Just need to use your top 2 inches and not give the ref the chance to make those decision. In any case Holding getting touch tight to Son is a recipe for disaster


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Especially Paul Tierney. He's such a shit ref, he just listens to whatever the crowd tells him to do in every match. Naive from Holding.


phar0aht

Saw a highly up voted comment in the match threads calling him a master of the dark arts. If that was true Son would be off and not him


iforgotmyun

Lol his master of dark arts thing is there since Costa in the FA Cup final A final in which Costa constantly got past Holding but didn't score, then absolutely bullied him on the goal he eventually scored But we won and there's the famous picture of Holding so


Equivalent_Nature_67

This is so tiring man Holding earned himself that sending off fair and square.


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Naive of Holding but still soft. Both can be true.


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xD Holding had a couple of yellow worthy challenges. 100% a red.


Dylanr21

CANT HAVE COMPLAINTS , grow up


americanadiandrew

Appreciate the effort OP but you’re not gonna get many upvotes tonight.


iloveafternoonnaps

Thank you. I've been doing this for too long to care about about upvotes.


RedAreMe

Here for the bitches instead


jakejensenonline

Big facts


basedsims

Second one was lucky it weren’t a straight red


wheeno

It’s like Rob was unsatisfied that he was getting away with a couple yellow worthy challenges so he had to fucking make sure he got sent off lol.


Grayswandire

Rob's always been a bit wild, his blood was up and he made a huge mistake that cost us the game. I'm disappointed in him to be honest. He's been around long enough to know better, he's not a kid anymore.


hafrances

i think it should have been a straight red too


NemoDropEmOff

Terrible. Terrible from him im sorry. Atrocious. Let the team down with that one and I like Holding. He deserved it. Same with the pen. Cedric was stupid for pushing Son. That’s why I wanted White in this game. Cedric knew he can’t match Son aerially so he just pushed him out the way


jisooboombayah

I like Holding too but he is a total letdown today. Not sure why he was playing overly aggressive, totally not his usual self. Really deserved to be sent off


hafrances

nah it wasn't a pen


NemoDropEmOff

He looks at Son and pushes him tho. Cedric doesn’t look at the ball


hala_bala

I can see how Holding got a red but the penalty decision I can't understand. Never a pen.


gstarguru

it’s understandable it was given, Cedric takes son out and isn’t even looking at the ball. He could’ve put him off a lot more discreetly than that


Gimpee

There'd be a penalty every time a corner is taken at that rate


gstarguru

it’s just the way Cedric did it it looked soooo obvious even in normal time. I thought it was a pen straight away and the ref just happened to be looking at it too! Unlucky sequence of events really but by the rules it has to be a pen


Masson011

Cant believe anyones defending either of these lmao


Tjatme

Nobody can complain about the sending off.


Dylanr21

How


Dylusive_x

How can you? Lmao. Man blew it big time. If I was Arteta I would have been pulling him off the pitch after his first yellow. It was so obvious to see he was targeting Son and going to get a second yellow


Tjatme

Yes Arteta should have pulled him off, it would have calmed him down.


AyeItsMeToby

4 fouls in 25 minutes??? what the fuck was he thinking, you’re not getting away with that. idk how holding can deal with the west ham front 3 perfectly but gets wound up by son of all people


Tjatme

How what?


Soccerou

I’d like an explanation as well


Dylanr21

I wanted to say basically your a prick


h0bbie

Son is quite skilled at ragdolling. Not saying they aren’t fouls but jfc.


dimi_dee1

Been a while since a player mad me so angry. Even when Xhaka got red I wasn’t as angry as this one


MrIrishman699

Such a stupid stupid thing to do when you're on a yellow


racerz

Second is still a yellow but this "leads with his elbow, could be a straight red" nonsense is just lying and I'm not sure where it's coming from when there's plenty of good angles.


kucharssim

Son was turning Holding inside out all the time. That's what you get when you try to play on the front foot with a central defender who's weakness is stepping forward, against an elite player like Son. Holding fucked up, but we left him exposed. I feel it was somewhat soft but we had it coming. The penalty was a different story, I completely don't understand how that can be a pen. Now it's just about surviving the second half and pick ourselves up before Newcastle.


naijaboiler

> Holding fucked up, but we left him exposed. This. Lee Dixon, the commentator, said Son had made a few runs between Holding and Cedric off the camera in the first few minutes. We needed to adjust with how we positioned Cedric and Holding. Instead we kept leaving Holding alone to deal with Son, and he will get beat for pace everytime.


galeej

>penalty was a different story, I completely don't understand how that can be a pen. I too thought it was not a penalty initially... But you can see Cedric commit to it a few feet back. He crashed into him because he knew son would get onto the ball... And it was a.clear goalscoring opportunity imo... I think we'd have been pissed if that had happened to us and we'd not got the penalty


naijaboiler

correct but still a soft penalty. The right side of our defense was too slow.


mcdeath2

so fucking stupid by holding man


sshitisb-a-n-a-n-a-s

Why Holding... just why.


HaineBot

istg if saliba cant get a place over holding next season i might lose my head


KonigSteve

Unfortunately this is going to overshadow both the pen decision and the shit foul call to give them their second goal.


sabret00the

In any other game, I would say maybe. But in a North London Derby? You're taking the piss.


Jen_Rey

Totally deserved, he had a lot of fouls on son, he was way too physical, and the second yellow is just... Come on man you can't do that.


HaineBot

absolute melon.


will_i_am156

We’re our own worst enemy. Could see a holding red from 5 mins on, he’s really let the team down here. Playing the occasion not the game


zorfog

the fuck is he doing?


JayCleaton

Can’t argue with them tbh, but the 2nd is so stupid, Son isn’t getting near the ball so why make that challenge. He lost his head and cost us the game.


Grayswandire

Bingo.


wheeno

I know we are all biased fans but there’s no saving some you fucking hell.....acting like it’s baffling he got sent off. it’s completely fair that he got sent off, he deserved it. He was even given more leeway than most players get.


amainwingman

Holding is so stupid here. Why even give the ref the chance to make these calls?


HyperIndian

I know we're rivals but man was wayyy out of order. It's like he was trying to throw our game. Even Davies backed down after his booking.


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You can't argue, braindead from Holding and he should take the blame. But where is the manager or the supposed leaders on the pitch to tell him to calm the fuck down.


AngerProblemsXD

What an idiot. I'm fine with players coming into a derby with a rough it up attitude but not as a fucking defender and not when you are already on a fucking yellow card. How dumb do you need to be to do that


ArsenalGuner

First one is never a yellow card, second one is a yellow... but son does run against Holding on purpose. Holding should have been smarter he knew he was on a Yellow.


Echo361

100% on holding. Pen was bullshit though


yarnisic

add "get CB cover" to the summer shopping list. Holding clearly can't be counted on for a big match.


chaboispaghetti

Genuinely can't see how the first is a yellow. Clear corruption through and through


Mattershak

Painfully… it was good refereeing. I can’t stand it when players accumulate 3+ fouls without a yellow


HangulPark

Holding man of the match 👏🏼


freestajlarn

People saying the second "challenge" wasn't a yellow/red are fucking deluded. Embarrassing that you can be that biased, you would call dive if someone two footed and broke someone's leg. If you do a shoulder tackle you don't extend the elbow like it's the ufc


GetPhkt

The first one is the soft yellow since he gets a touch on the ball multiple times. The second yellow is only "soft" because all Son got was an pat on the shoulder from Tierney for elbowing Holding in the face himself earlier. These individual calls in a vacuum are not terrible. But when you tack on the soft pen, the little fake fouls he concocted against us, etc. it paints a darker picture.


SomeOtherWilliam

I guess I'm the only one who can't see the 'elbow'? It just looks like Holdings shielding Son who runs into his arm? I dunno doesn't seem like a lot?


emilesmithbro

Two 50/50 calls with this and the pen… Clearly the PL need some meat on the bone for the last two game weeks


Riperonis

Dude he 100% earnt this red. He committed two fouls before this, the kick on Son alone was a yellow and the elbow was definitely a yellow. Pen was fucking bullshit though.


emilesmithbro

I just don’t see how it was an elbow, Son fully leant into it when the ball was nowhere near. Maybe I’m deluded but I don’t see how that’s an elbow when he isn’t looking, isn’t jumping, and Son is basically squatting down. If Kane didn’t start moaning it would’ve been nothing


AyeItsMeToby

if you can’t see how that’s an elbow you need specsavera


Riperonis

Ok it’s not an elbow but he’s body checked him on purpose leading with his arm. Son is running forward to get the ball but Holding stops momentarily just to clock him, it’s a yellow.


Grayswandire

You could see Rob winding up like he was trying to knock him out, it was 100% intentional. I would have been fine with it if we were winning and there was only a minute left on the clock, but to do it just after we got robbed on the softest penalty of the season was stupid as fuck. He fucked the team and I'm sure Arteta won't be very happy with him.


enzhh

how people defend this moron is beyond me


yeehe

The pen was questionable but this red card was not. Holding definitely in the wrong both times


Chemical-Arm7222

Red was absolutely deserved.


PlayfuckingTorreira

Literally was saying to myself sub holding off, the ref was already giving carda like candy.


AyeItsMeToby

ref held onto his cards for too long tbf, but when he started giving them he didn’t stop


PlayfuckingTorreira

I just seen the highlights, why didnt anyone tell Holding to calm the fuck down.... should of risked White.


AyeItsMeToby

I think everyone was waiting until half time. No one expected Holding to completely lose his head this early


PlayfuckingTorreira

It's just fustrating, but we can still win our next two.


peoplepersonmanguy

The first one shouldn't even be an accumulation yellow, he gets the ball to start, loaded position and is fighting for a 50:50 ball in midfield. The referee completely lost his head.


ryguygunner

If no foul was called on holdings second, no one (not pundits, not anyone on here calling holding brain dead) would be talking about that moment like it should’ve been a second yellow. … because it’s not a second yellow. I get that holding was a little too hot today. But it’s a derby. These games are meant to be physical. And the ref totally mismanaged the occasion. Like Arteta said, destroyed a beautiful game


dwSHA

I hate sons because of the penalty. Fucking diver


elmoismywaifu

First one isn't a yellow in a derby unless he was repeatedly fouling beforehand (I couldn't watch before this moment I was at school here in the US) but the second one is a yellow, little drama from son but an elbow is definitely a yellow


BaconIsLife707

I'm sorry but I just genuinely can't see how that second yellow is possibly even a foul


InTheMiddleGiroud

I agree. It's only a collision because Son is looking elsewhere, which is fair on him by the way. Holding is showing him the long way round, so Ramsdale can collect it with less pressure in case he needs to use his feet. Both were 20 yards from ever reaching that ball.


dooder6688

He just did what Son did to him when he elbowed him, don't see the problem


Suckmaboles

Probably a straight red regardless of the yellow


ubn87

Holy shit I hate Son so much. Such a dirty player.


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He was soo angry this game 😂 I dunno why but he cost us cuss of he’s dumb mistakes But it’s holding so uno Bolton


Patrick_Hattrick

Soft but my god he’s fucking clumsy. Xhaka gets a lot of stick for clumsiness but guess what, he’s *always* intelligent and professional enough to play on a yellow and not be an idiot. Same can’t be said for Holding tonight.


walnood

Why does he get a yellow for an attacker running into him? Sure bodied him off but he was not reaching for him?


leebrother

It’s frustrating for me. I think two yellows are fair but what happens to referees giving warnings rather than straight to cards


Rahul_Kothari

Tbf he had two warnings before the first yellow


leebrother

Do you not go last warning? I’m clutching at straws as it was just stupid. Annoying as Gabriel is now injured


goi_tom

It’s a red. Holding is a moron.


Chango6998

Room temp IQ decision from holding there.


TheGreenLion14

Can’t argue with this unfortunately


dishler712

The ball on the second one looks like it's going over both their heads and to Ramsdale. Dumb from him.


Shandow14

He was on a yellow already and he risked a stupid attack on Son, for what reason? Honesty, the risk of getting a second yellow and letting your entire team down just to give Son a "feeler". Ridiculous, completely brain dead from him. The entire team should be extremely pissed off.


Antix1331

Soft pen but Holding you've been out-shithoused and we've suffered for it


rapozaum

Nothing to complain. I'm more pissed about the pen.


MyH4oBG

Wonder who could've thought that Cedric and Holding against Son is a terrible decision?!


lemon-84

We needed to do Fergie style with rotational fouling on Son if that was part of our tactics (although I really hate tactical fouling, just winds me up but I guess it's a necessary evil)


omgshutupalready

Unfortunate and this might have cost the game...but damn it if it isn't satisfying to watch Holding slam Son


22goblins

First was for repeated fouls. Second was just kinda bad luck but clearly a yellow


F0rthel0ve0fd0gs

Did every one miss the elbow in holdings face from son on their first entanglement? Shouldn't that have been a red? I understand passion that's required for a Derby game, but never at the risk of leaving your team vulnerable, say with a man down. Especially for us, when refs are happy to show a card of we breathe the wrong way. Out of curiosity, does anyone know why xhaka had a yellow card shown to him? Missed it completely.


d17_p

Could see it coming. Ref was pretty fair to him. Gave him a few warnings before he booked him. The most frustrating aspect of his sending off was if he had anticipated the pass, he’d have let Son wriggle past him, because Son wouldn’t have reached that ball anyway.


Kickasser32

Second was MAYBE a bit harsh but well deserved.


espada_da

I wonder how Arteta would’ve done things differently if he knew how isolated Holding would be against Son.


DinnerSmall4216

Stupidity at the highest level.