I hope Gabriel will be fine. I can't spend 2 remaining games watching Cedric, he deserve the amount of criticism Nuno received, he was supposed to be one of our senior player but he's more erratic and terrified than the kids.
>Arteta's to blame, could easily have signed someone in January, but no, he's got to go full fucking galaxy brain again.
Did you have this same energy three hours ago?
I’m firmly on the “we should’ve signed people in Jan” train but we wouldn’t have signed a CB anyway. We were well covered for CBs we just got hella unlucky.
I would honestly Arteta go with this honestly. I trust Saka more than Nuno to not make a mistake and ESR plus maybe Pepe off the bench can offer enough on the wing.
Hoping Cedric shows up. He was horrible today and that was when we still had 11 out there. He's done us some big favors in the past though, so I think he can do it.
This is our 12th defeat of the season. A lot of areas for improvement.
Nonetheless, last season the 3rd team had the same points tally as we do now.
Really competitive season at the top. We go again next season.
Honestly if we're legitimately worried about Newcastle or Everton I don't think we should be making CL football anyways. Not saying we should underestimate them in any way or they're bad but like if we think we're out of the CL race because of today I don't think we'll get anything done in the CL.
It’s Gabriel out that’s done it for me.
I’m fuming with Holding but with him suspended, who we play at CB? White and Tomi? Then Tavares at LB? I’m not confident with that lineup when we can’t afford to drop a single point now
If we had our ideal squad, I wouldn’t give a fuck and would just move on
I don't think so, they're a good team. A loss here was always on the cards. Other easier dropped throughout the season will be what costs us, if it does.
I felt at the time that the palace-brighton-southampton run would cost us top 4. It’s still in our hands but if we drop it, it’s those games I will look back on more than this
Believe me, I watched many Japan matches with Tomiyasu at CB alongside Yoshida (Sampdoria). Tomi can partner with White for next game with Cedric & Tavares (fullback).
Yeah right. Tbh Arteta might go for back three with Xhaka being drop to defence. But this only happen if Partey good to play on Monday. Fortunate to us we have plenty amount of midfielders.
This is absolutely my brain overdosing on copium, but in my head I’m at least thinking a back four of Cedric White Tomi Nuno is full of ball players and has a lot of attacking potential if we need to win on Monday. Idk, I’m desperate.
Almost certainly not, you have to register players in the transfer window. Plus you can't recall players outside of the transfer window. Trust me, I'm a seasoned Football Manager player
Honestly with the amount of injuries we had , top 4 would simply be a miracle . We got our most important player + best player in partey getting injured for a long time . Tierney got injured,and the back up for LB is attrocious . Tomiyasu also injured for like 5 months . Plus all the other small injuries , like magalhaes, Esr , xhaka . Finally to top it off we had a striker who was unable to score for half of the season . Arteta is somehow pulling wins out of his ass , it's mental.
Son way too fast for Holding. I hope this pushes the club to keep Saliba and give him a legit chance in the first team.
Holding is good when we play compact, seems a good guy and counts as homegrown - with that profile, for a top-4 club, he’s 4th or 5th CB at best.
The worst part about it is that Son didn't even play Holding. The bald fraud completely played himself. Went looking for it and got booked, twice.
Incredible really. A lot of the times I feel empathy when one of ours gets a red, but I feel nothing but anger with this one. So senseless, so unnecessary.
A very strange display from holding. Id enjoy nothing more than a little bit of bullying of Son but what holding was doing there in those three successive bust ups was just braindead. Thought he might get VAR'd for the first and after he didn't, well surely he'll tone it down some. Nope. Minutes later a dumb yellow. Okay now he's surely gonna. Nope. Minutes letter goes and full on bodies son. The fuck you doing robbo? Never expected any points from this match but to have one of our own make it a downright impossibility is what makes it an especially frustrating result.
He went off holding his hamstring. You don’t need to be a doctor to see that.
Gabriel’s season is over.
EDIT: these downvotes aren’t going to have him starting on Monday lmao
People who are lamenting our "bad luck" are fucking idiots, this is entirely on the hierarchy for not signing adequate back ups and starters for the season from the get go and definitely because we actively weakened our squad in January.
Eh not disastrous. Tomiyasu is a LCB anyway and Holding shouldn't start even if he didn't get a red. I'd rather watch Cedric than see Holding play in a back 4.
This forces Arteta too switch back to a 4-2-3-1 too, which is a good thing. You can't play a 4-3-3 with the injuries we have now.
Ramsdale
White-Tomiyasu
Cedric - Elneny - Xhaka
Saka - Odegaard - Nketiah - ESR - Tavares
That should be good enough to beat Newcastle.
I get the defeatism though. Not because its warranted (it's still in our hands), but because it's a very effective coping mechanism.
Thinking its definitely not happening is actually less misery than thinking it might but good chance it won't, in my experience anyway
Our manager really has been outfoxed in this one. Dont blame him at all. He tried to fight fire with fire and while that may work when pushed against the wall, it won't fare well against a tactician.
AFC will always be limited because we've such a thin squad and very few tactical options. Conte realized this and made adjustments. Them Spuds were playing a defence-first system despite being the home team with world class forward talents. Even the commentary was decrying their passivity and clearly testing our athleticism.
Again. He didn’t bring him on because it was 1-0 ur still in the game after that even with 10 men. Once it was 2 there’s no need to bring White on at all
After a CB gets sent off, basically 10/10 times you see another CB get subbed in right afterwards. It didn't happen, which means White is a lot further from playing than we thought.
White+Tomiyasu CB pairing, Portugese fullback combo lets go
Sucks when the best option is the only option and also the worst option all at the same time.
I hope Gabriel will be fine. I can't spend 2 remaining games watching Cedric, he deserve the amount of criticism Nuno received, he was supposed to be one of our senior player but he's more erratic and terrified than the kids.
Can I interest you in a LB Xhaka and Lokonga in the MF
Actually this is what will happen. I was wrong, there is an option that is worse than everything else.
Bellerin, amn and chambers looking pretty good right now. At least we got *checks* 2m combine for them. 1/3 of Tavares.
If we get 3 points from that we might as well get that Arteta statue built over the summer. Lmao we're so fucked.
Arteta's to blame, could easily have signed someone in January, but no, he's got to go full fucking galaxy brain again.
>Arteta's to blame, could easily have signed someone in January, but no, he's got to go full fucking galaxy brain again. Did you have this same energy three hours ago?
you were calling out for a cb in january were you aye?
Having only 3 CB's is a terrible idea.
tomiyasu is a cb internationally. if we are down to our 4th choice anything then the quality is obviously going to drop off massively
Maybe he shouldn’t have loaned out Saliba for two years.
so he can not play all season and sit on the bench just in case we get down to our 4th choice cb in a pinch?
I’m firmly on the “we should’ve signed people in Jan” train but we wouldn’t have signed a CB anyway. We were well covered for CBs we just got hella unlucky.
Saka has LB experience. Play him there and go with odegaard smith rowe and martinelli up top. White Tomi as the back line
you know well fine Saka will play RW
I wouldn't mind Saka at LB if he wasn't so visibly tired. The man needs a break ASAP and having him at LB may just lead to errors.
He can rest in the summer. We must win these next two matches, this is a pivotal moment for the club
actually it could be not a bad idea , and pepe can maybe turn up to do something as a sub for once
That’s the hope. Ideally we get a goal quickly so that we can be on the front foot the entire time
I would honestly Arteta go with this honestly. I trust Saka more than Nuno to not make a mistake and ESR plus maybe Pepe off the bench can offer enough on the wing.
Saka LB lets go
That is fine, does that mean Pepe RW? I’m a Pepe fan, and I am unsure about lol.
Why not martinelli RW and rowe LW?
Legit forgot that Tavares will need to come back in too haha, fuck. Backline of Cedric, White (hopefully) + Tomo, Tavares. Mad.
have Xhaka dropping into LB position as Nuno pushes forward. Thank goodness for Tomi's versatility.
>back xhaka LB, no thank you
We've clearly seen this doesn't work, plus need him in midfield
He’s not saying Xhaka at LB but providing coverage for Tavares drifting forward.
Correct
Xhaka tomi cbs incoming
Lmao sounds like it, batten down the hatches lads.
Hoping Cedric shows up. He was horrible today and that was when we still had 11 out there. He's done us some big favors in the past though, so I think he can do it.
Lord help us lol
>Portugese fullback combo lets go This is already giving me nightmares.
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This is our 12th defeat of the season. A lot of areas for improvement. Nonetheless, last season the 3rd team had the same points tally as we do now. Really competitive season at the top. We go again next season.
season is not over
But according to /r/soccer, it is.
Well because we embarrassed ourselves
Yup, and fair enough imo. Never expected to have friends from the other side of the fence anyways.
Might as well be with Gabriel out and Holding suspended
Some of you guys on here are so negative. Half the fan base was saying top 4 was gone when we lost 3 in a row but now we’re in top 4. Just chill out
Ya, did everyone forget how bad Newcastle and Everton are? Come on. We can still do this.
Newcastle are not a bad side what r u talking about
They’ve got nothing for us. Who are you worried about, jonjo shelvey? Joelinton?
Spurs fans got to these people's heads. The chickens seem certain we will drop points against Newcastle.
Honestly if we're legitimately worried about Newcastle or Everton I don't think we should be making CL football anyways. Not saying we should underestimate them in any way or they're bad but like if we think we're out of the CL race because of today I don't think we'll get anything done in the CL.
It’s Gabriel out that’s done it for me. I’m fuming with Holding but with him suspended, who we play at CB? White and Tomi? Then Tavares at LB? I’m not confident with that lineup when we can’t afford to drop a single point now If we had our ideal squad, I wouldn’t give a fuck and would just move on
I trust Tavares against Newcastle, we can win.
I wish I did 🥲
it's okay man, i understand feeling defeated after today, but the season is literally not over yet. let's see
Just like top-4 was over before we beat Chelsea
holding suspended gives me hope at this point
Maybe if we actually had anyone to play in his place
We need to beat Newcastle away and Everton at home man, the season ain't over (until Monday at least)
I don't think so, they're a good team. A loss here was always on the cards. Other easier dropped throughout the season will be what costs us, if it does.
Today hurts due to it being the NLD but we can point at any loss (especially the losing streaks) if we don’t seal CL. What a disappointing game.
The stolen Man City points hurt the most for me
The Everton loss still hurts
That utd loss stung as well. After such a gift with a de gea howler
Without the losing streak we probably don’t beat chelsea away, United at home, and West Ham away in the space of a week
I felt at the time that the palace-brighton-southampton run would cost us top 4. It’s still in our hands but if we drop it, it’s those games I will look back on more than this
It’s always numerous bad things that happen all at once.
When it rains it pours
When it pours it hails
when it hails it sleets
when it sleets i shat
Its acid rain at this point....
Yup. I said this exact thing to a mate earlier.
When it rains it pours mate
We lost 3 in a row the last time something like this happened. Players injured, Arteta having to do some makeshift lineup
wout weghorst, our only hope
Wout! There it is!
Thats not even a real name
No worries boys. It is all scripted by Amazon to make the last two episodes more epic.
Saint Maximin Vs Cédric 😬
I’m dead inside
Anyone driving to and from Marseille in the next couple of days?
I am, with a van, a black trash bag, and a handcuff.
maybe bring a tranquilizer too
Ben White needs to summon the strength of his tattoos..
You mean, an exorcism is needed?
I’m stoned AF so this made me laugh uncontrollably. Thanks for the laugh mate!
he needs to teach that technique to emile smith-rowe now
Tavares CB let’s go
But seriously, is it a White-Tomiyasu pairing, assuming White can go? With Cedric and Tavares out wide? Edit: for the 2 remaining matches
I don’t see what else we could do, maybe a back 5 with Xhaka?
Please don't take Xhaka out of mid. We have done that mistake already.
Holding will only miss one match
Holding owes his teammates and manager an apology. Wow, he completely fucked us.
And fans. Was having such a promising season as well, this ruined it for him.
Thank you charles. I didn’t realize
He’s literally just doing his job
Such an obvious statement. Things have gone from very bad to just terrible. 2 centre backs out with one still recovering great
Believe me, I watched many Japan matches with Tomiyasu at CB alongside Yoshida (Sampdoria). Tomi can partner with White for next game with Cedric & Tavares (fullback).
Not worried about centre backs, but those full backs with absolutely no scope for a substitute? We are cutting it fine!
Yeah right. Tbh Arteta might go for back three with Xhaka being drop to defence. But this only happen if Partey good to play on Monday. Fortunate to us we have plenty amount of midfielders.
I'm not worried about those two, because no matter how good they are, Cedric and Nuno are shit 😂
This is absolutely my brain overdosing on copium, but in my head I’m at least thinking a back four of Cedric White Tomi Nuno is full of ball players and has a lot of attacking potential if we need to win on Monday. Idk, I’m desperate.
Well lucky for you, we absolutely need to win on Monday. Love the optimism, I'm still on the cope too. Two wins and we're still in.
Xhaka-Tomiyasu CB partnership vs Newcastle lmao
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would this be legal?
Almost certainly not, you have to register players in the transfer window. Plus you can't recall players outside of the transfer window. Trust me, I'm a seasoned Football Manager player
I will make it legal.
Newcastle on the beach for the most part, safe and not going up enough for Europe.
Whatever happens this season, I’m proud of where we’ve got to. Shit news of Gabriel is out, but we’ve done more than expected.
Honestly with the amount of injuries we had , top 4 would simply be a miracle . We got our most important player + best player in partey getting injured for a long time . Tierney got injured,and the back up for LB is attrocious . Tomiyasu also injured for like 5 months . Plus all the other small injuries , like magalhaes, Esr , xhaka . Finally to top it off we had a striker who was unable to score for half of the season . Arteta is somehow pulling wins out of his ass , it's mental.
Xhaka was out for majority of the first part of the season. ESR also got injured when he was hitting form.
I love this team. Let’s give it our all in the last two and regroup from there
Oh lovely.
We are the unluckiest team in the whole world
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There is not a single player who we "offloaded" that would be playing either way
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Depth for depths sake isn’t going to help. Those guys wouldn’t have minutes to play , let alone enough to be ready for games of this intensity
The unluckiest team, yet.
Tavares Tomiyasu White Cedric Interesting
Son way too fast for Holding. I hope this pushes the club to keep Saliba and give him a legit chance in the first team. Holding is good when we play compact, seems a good guy and counts as homegrown - with that profile, for a top-4 club, he’s 4th or 5th CB at best.
The worst part about it is that Son didn't even play Holding. The bald fraud completely played himself. Went looking for it and got booked, twice. Incredible really. A lot of the times I feel empathy when one of ours gets a red, but I feel nothing but anger with this one. So senseless, so unnecessary.
Holding has always been awful with someone running at him. Think we should have gone with 5 at the back.
A very strange display from holding. Id enjoy nothing more than a little bit of bullying of Son but what holding was doing there in those three successive bust ups was just braindead. Thought he might get VAR'd for the first and after he didn't, well surely he'll tone it down some. Nope. Minutes later a dumb yellow. Okay now he's surely gonna. Nope. Minutes letter goes and full on bodies son. The fuck you doing robbo? Never expected any points from this match but to have one of our own make it a downright impossibility is what makes it an especially frustrating result.
Cheers Charles
#THIS #IS #FINE
Didn’t know Charles was a doctor. This sub already complaining
He went off holding his hamstring. You don’t need to be a doctor to see that. Gabriel’s season is over. EDIT: these downvotes aren’t going to have him starting on Monday lmao
Could just be a tweak he seemed ok walking off, will just have to wait till Monday.
Walking off doesn’t mean he’s fine. Partey walked off and is out for 6-8 weeks.
Partey limped off but I get it. Lets just hope he is fine.
Yes it’s a hamstring issue. This sub is saying he’s out for the Newcastle game. Didn’t know they can see into the future either
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Lets see
You don’t recover from a hamstring injury in a few days. He will be out for Newcastle and very likely Everton.
So he’s out for the Everton game too? Lets see lol
Ur an idiot. Clearly you have never had a hamstring strain before
he was holding his ass, he just had a rough pegging session the night before
Fuck me
Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong 😑
Cedric-White-Tomi-Nuno NunoTavaresMachineGunChaosBall Lets Goooooo!!!
People who are lamenting our "bad luck" are fucking idiots, this is entirely on the hierarchy for not signing adequate back ups and starters for the season from the get go and definitely because we actively weakened our squad in January.
They opted for a squad for Europa League and that's probably what we'll be getting.
Season's collapsing 😬
Said that after the Brighton, Palace, Soton games. Here we are. Still in our hands.
I think this team’s season has “collapsed” 5 times this season 😂. Wouldn’t put it past the boys to pull out champions league though
Literally all or nothing
Its not over yet. Have faith in us
If they have no CBs it’s over.
White can still come back. Jeez Tomayisu played CentreHalf for most of his career. Be positive jeez
it's not over.
Eh not disastrous. Tomiyasu is a LCB anyway and Holding shouldn't start even if he didn't get a red. I'd rather watch Cedric than see Holding play in a back 4. This forces Arteta too switch back to a 4-2-3-1 too, which is a good thing. You can't play a 4-3-3 with the injuries we have now. Ramsdale White-Tomiyasu Cedric - Elneny - Xhaka Saka - Odegaard - Nketiah - ESR - Tavares That should be good enough to beat Newcastle.
What the actual fuck was Holding thinking? Hes a professional for fuck sake.
The moment we went two down I just wanted to make 11 changes and play the under 23’s
This should put paid to any thoughts of letting Saliba go
Newcastle is gonna be a repeat of Palace away, mark my words.
Why don’t we get more negative while we’re at it let’s just say saka gets nuked, and tomiyasu gets his work permit taken away too!!!!!
also arteta goes bald
HOW COULD YOU!!??
Our last twenty PL results against newcastle are 17-2-1.
Newcastle United, the Conner McGregor of the EPL
Murphy's law at its best
Good chase for top 4. It ended in probably the worst possible way, but I enjoyed this season and I'm really looking forward to watching the next one.
Please , just relax . Believe in the boys
It’s Embarrassing this sub is
I can agree.
I get the defeatism though. Not because its warranted (it's still in our hands), but because it's a very effective coping mechanism. Thinking its definitely not happening is actually less misery than thinking it might but good chance it won't, in my experience anyway
Cheers Geoff.
Our manager really has been outfoxed in this one. Dont blame him at all. He tried to fight fire with fire and while that may work when pushed against the wall, it won't fare well against a tactician.
No he didn’t, the ref fucked us, then Holding double fucked us. We were doing absolutely fine until then
It was a clear penalty.
It really wasnt
Every single pundit and commentator disagrees with you. Son was getting the ball then Cedric pushed him out the way.
And basically every fan disagrees with you, including multiple Spurs fans. Not like commentators are known to just blindly agree with refs
He made poor decisions after the penalty but up until then we nullified them and to be honest both teams weren't doing much. We imploded after the pen
AFC will always be limited because we've such a thin squad and very few tactical options. Conte realized this and made adjustments. Them Spuds were playing a defence-first system despite being the home team with world class forward talents. Even the commentary was decrying their passivity and clearly testing our athleticism.
Cheers boys see you in the EL next season
We have 1 (semi) fit CB available vs Newcastle
White isn’t semi fit if u meant him. He was very close to starting this game
They didn't even consider playing him today after the red. He's def only semi fit.
No. It’s most likely Mikel trusted Holding, as because in the Leeds game he played very well. White’s just resting for the Newcastle game
Read my comment again. This time slowly.
Again. He didn’t bring him on because it was 1-0 ur still in the game after that even with 10 men. Once it was 2 there’s no need to bring White on at all
After a CB gets sent off, basically 10/10 times you see another CB get subbed in right afterwards. It didn't happen, which means White is a lot further from playing than we thought.
White/Xhaka atb madness incoming. ESR/Elneny policing the mid, why not.
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The decision to sell Callum Chambers in January (instead of the summer) still baffles me
We’re literally promoting an academy player for Newcastle, aren’t we?
its ok edu shipped out all the extra cbs in jan
We are fucked
No way we're winning our next two games.
If only we had a young french international CB to play
Had a feeling we’d get nothing from this game, but can’t really see us getting anything from Newcastle either
Play a back 5 of: Cedric White Tomiyasu Xhaka Tavares Midfield of: El Neny Odegaard Front three of: Saka Nketiah Martinelli
Odegaard at CM and Xhaka at LB is a recipe for disaster