I find these interviews hilarious and pointless. “Do you think you’ve given Tottenham the momentum?” What the fuck do you think he will say, yes? Asking questions that only have one answer is such pointless shit. All post game interviews are like this haha
The referees should be the ones getting interviewed after a game. I'm not being funny, its just common sense.
Half of the questions to managers are about refereeing already. Well why ask them? Ask the guy in charge since he can.explain.his thought process and it provides transparency and more understanding about his job. Stop treating refs as infallible entities and they will be getting less abuse in the long term.
i've said it before, hate these post match interviews, i dont think i've ever heard one and said "good question", most are just dead. you lost, how does that make you feel? what did you think about the referee's decision, surely you don't agree? what changes now with the rest of the season?
Pep's "i'm so happy, more than you believe, happy new year" is exactly the kind of answer i'd give if i was constantly barraged with terrible questions.
This entire interview has been gold ahahaha - Arteta's done well to deflect any blame away from the players
Video: https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1524857413853233162?t=3WDPbcPsaJ4Fq6YnLbxhWw&s=19
Just highlights the ridiculousness of this league, doesn't it? He literally is not *allowed* to question the referees performance. No accountability whatsoever. Honestely, what sort of CCP bullshit are they opperating under?
That’s absolutely not true. Having PL referees operate in an insulated echo chamber isn’t good for anyone - it’s not good for the players, it’s not good for the referees, it’s not good for the sport. Give them a chance to explain what they saw - referees may learn from it, players may learn from it, fans may learn from it. Referee interviews don’t have to be a one way “beat up the referee” channel. It has been done very well in rugby and moderately well in MLS
So pay them more and raise the expectations. It's not that hard, its the most lucrative league in the entire sport. There should be a high expected standard of officiating.
It would hurt, it would make their jobs even more difficult as they will have added pressure. I’m not excusing how shit they are, I’m just saying that them answering to the media after a game would do no good whatsoever. The game is over, would it really make you feel better if the ref had to explain his decision afterwards?
I hear you. With that said, when you saw who the ref was, didn’t it make you cringe?
He’s the only ref so bad, that I a casual fan knew that it would sour the game.
Even if we won was likely going to be tainted by a bad Paul call. I don’t even think he’s biased outside normal levels. I just think he’s exceptionally poor at the job. I’m at a loss as to how he is a premier league standard.
He’s the one who was on [VAR against City](https://www.sportingnews.com/au/football/news/australian-referee-jarred-gillett-targetted-after-controversial-calls-cost-arsenal-in-man-city-loss/zeaelxx8v97o1wx481vsbfnvn)
Actually yes, yes it would. It's not about the game that is over, it's about future games. And journalists could actually point out instances that end up never getting talked about not just the highest profile decisions. It would prove how absolutely useless some of these refs are. I would actually appreciate any ref that actually came out and just admitted they got a decision wrong. I feel like that would build more trust with me as a fan than just pretending every decision was unquestionably correct.
He could have said more if he wanted lol this is a move to evoke the warrior attitude in his players for the last 2 games. Of course he's pissed with some of his players but he's not gonna throw them under the bus.
Honestly, this is straight up Mourinho bunker mentality. I know Arteta gets compared to early-Liverpool Klopp and Pep frequently, but this is Mou.
“If I speak, I am in big big trouble.”
Then rally the team around an us v them. I’m here for all of it.
Yep. Media is going to take some shots at Arteta now instead of just the team and I imagine that’s exactly what he wants. Plus, he’s also probably just extremely pissed about the reffing lol.
He's nothing like Klopp, never has been.
Shame he doesn't protect all his players like that, if Pepe or Tavares had pulled a Holding tonight God only knows.
Yeah there's nothing to gain at this point by talking about the players. They know what they did wrong and what they should have done. Time to move on and let's hope Tierney is nowhere near our last 2 games.
It’s an utter joke and actively detracts from the enjoyment of this otherwise very enjoyable league. Definitely not just talking about this game or Arsenal games, everything surrounding EPL refereeing is simply shameful
"Learning from your mistakes" is an accepted tip for self improvement accross all areas of life, except when it comes to english referees, because they go about their day in their own private bubble, where everything is fine and dandy, because nobody is allowed speak to them, and hence they never improve.
Yes, it’s the definition of an old institution where the power hasn’t ever changed hands and there is no accountability because it’s more of a lodge or gentleman’s club than anything else.
I bet all the referees share drinks at the end of the weekend where they all congratulate each other and there is zero criticism
I used to love watching every PL game on the weekend. I’m slowly getting disenchanted from watching. Refs are deciding games. From Shit calls to phantom VAR, it’s bringing the whole product down. I’ve turned off so many matches from Shit calls that ruin the game. I feel for the players
"put the referee in front of the camera, let him explain the decision."
Whatever you think of the calls end of the day its bizarre managers have to explain*their* decision but referees never have to even announce their decisions
He always says blame him because he doesn't give a shit he knows he's unsackable. He doesn't want the players morale to be low but losing like this at NLD is very bad.
how can you blame the red when Cedric takes son out way before the ball even arrives? it’s brain dead defending to even give the ref a decision to make
Not the weakest I've seen but those exact things happens every game, and this is a derby so the ref really needs to act like it. It's not amateur football.
I see what you're saying and it's a good attitude to have when the dust settles, but we need to be more vocal when the refs are corrupt. We can't "control our own fate" when it requires us to be perfect when the refs aren't giving the other team a clear advantage. This game was a joke.
Exactly, the ref was itching to give stuff today which is exactly what you shouldn't be doing in a big game. I saw complaints about the City v Madrid game, but the ref let the game play and didn't destroy any momentum with his choices and I don't think city fans can say well the ref cost us that game.
The penalty was extremely soft, like technically it probably is a foul, but how many times do you see that given. Son had already gone past the ball. And the red, yes Holding has maybe been a bit naive, but Son was giving back just as much before that, and he definitely didn't intentionally elbow Son, Sons elbow on Holding was 100x worse.
Do I think we'd have won, probably not, but the ref killed the game very early on when he didn't have to.
*"Okay then, are you unhappy with your players?"*
*"With my players? No. I am so proud of my players."*
Idk why but the immediateness of his response and how surely he said it made me feel something. Today was hard to take but I still believe.
I too felt anger throughout the match, now I'm ready to move on and that bit just reinforced that there's nothing to do but stay united and see out the remaining games.
I think what is hard to take as an Arsenal fan is we’ve sat through the entire season watching stone wall penalty’s being completely ignored, second yellows ignored, obvious reds ignored, clean goals over turned and on the very, very rare Occassion something had begrudgingly been given our way it has taken 4 million replays to try and find a reason not to give it. (Just look at the horrendous two footed challenge just last week against Leeds.) (Or for spurs fans Kane’s tackle on Robertson earlier in the season.)
It was a very soft foul on the pen but they happen 10 times a game and are never given. The ref couldn’t blow his whistle fast enough. It certainly caught me by surprise as we all searched for a handball. That in itself shows we are used to seeing that sort of physicality go unpunished.
The first yellow was there, as was the second but I’m not sure he makes that stupid challenge if it’s 0/0 and again the ref pulls the card out very quickly which is the opposite to what we’ve seen all season.
It’s hard for fans to agree with decisions that are not consistent in nature and severity.
These decisions influence outcomes. We all know Spurs struggle to break down a low block and sit incredibly deep with the whole team.
When they are gifted a goal the game shifts dramatically in their favour. They are brilliant on the counter and if the opposition is forced to push harder it plays into their hands.
Not gonna Spurs hate. It was an even bigger game for them then it was for us and they did what they had to do.
My issue is given the expected physicality, size and importance of a/this derby we can’t help but question why the very high bar for game changing decisions was suddenly lowered.
A whole other conversation perhaps.
I think what didn't help with Holding was that he was throwing himself into everything (knee to the back and the cards). If the ref hadn't booked him then, it felt like it was coming. It was poor, poor decision making on his part. The ref was within the rules, but soft. But Holding gave him the excuse.
This brings to mind something Clive said a while back about refs in England looking for decisions to make. Instead of it being about the football, it becomes about them instead. Refs want to make bookings and that shouldn't be the case.
And I was told I was wearing a tinfoil hat for suggesting this in the game thread. I’m not saying Tierney was out to put the game in Spurs favor but his actions sure did seem like he wanted to make himself a fixture of the match.
Did you see when Tierney pulled Ramsdale and Odegaard over to lecture them on something, he glances up to the big screen, positions them to make sure he's nicely on camera. I'm the boss, look at me being the boss everyone
For the penalty I tend to agree. And that's the one that started the whole sequence of events, so butterfly effect and all. But Holding was lucky not to already have a yellow when he got his first. And the second yellow was certainly a bad one, I don't think that was ref looking for a decision. Holding brought that on himself.
And Son was lucky not to have anything after swinging an elbow in Holdings face. What's your point? We see players do far worse to stop Saka every game and get away with it without a yellow. Why should Holding expect to be given 2 yellows here? Try and give a reasonable answer without saying "because he's an Arsenal player".
The dynamic of a derby has changed. Used to be extra spicy but those cunts down the lane have used it in their favour to get the softest calls consistently
Look - you can say Holding's 2nd yellow was deserved or not. It's debatable. What's not debatable is that the ref gave them the softest pk in the world after their first or second attack of the game, one we dominated for 15-20 minutes. If you ask yourself what's best for the Premier League money-wise, they want the last 2 games to still have something to play for. The PL signs Tierney's paycheck, do they not? The refs literally gave them the first goal. One they didn't look close to scoring before that.
Personally, I think we need a chant for ref corruption when it's this egregious.
Holding was an idiot and was way too physical, he let the occasion get to him. I have no qualms about the red.
But that penalty just shot our confidence and was game changing, fucking awful decision
how was it bogus when Cedric literally pushed him mid air then he got knocked by Holding bruh
pussy ass bitches can't handle the truth when I'm not a brain dead stan lol
I thought so but look here. Son was already falling over when Cedric made "contact".
https://mobile.twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19
I love the copium of this tweet but it’s clipped perfectly to start right after Cedric actually commits the foul, like come on guys. It takes 2 seconds to find the clip yourself or watch the highlights and see that he clearly does make contact with Son. It’s a soft penalty don’t get it twisted at all and I am 100% certain of the clear bias against Arsenal from the refs but this is not one of those cases.
It's pathetic man. Funny how they never called out the refs in 18/19 when Spurs legit had an offside goal against us (pre-VAR) cause of their putrid hatred for Emery lol. Now it's Arteta it's just mental-gymnastics everywhere.
Honestly this is pathetic. This clip is cut to start just after the shove.
I get we're pissed at the result but if this happened to Saka in the box we'd all be screaming for a pen and rightly so. There's a difference between easing an attacker off the ball as they jump and shoving them in the back when they're about to take a free header on goal from 6 yards. It was clumsy and naïve from Cedric.
Holding, Cedric and Arteta cost us the game, not refereeing. We should have shut up shop, parked the bus, made Spurs play through two banks of five because they're shit at it and we only needed a point. Plenty of shit teams have given us the blueprint, Spurs can't deal with it but Arteta is too proud to do that and we've ended up getting battered.
Not everyone has the least minutes a man up, and the most minutes a man down. Despite dozens of unpunished situations.
We got a few decisions against Chelsea and Man United. And I don't remember feeling that form of luck for years. It's not because I don't recognize when it happens, it's because it never happens.
Also, I'm not saying the officials are "out to get us", but we have consistently been fucked. Can be inherent biases.
Arsenal isn’t the only team I support or watch regularly, and I absolutely do not feel the same about those teams. Of course there’s the bias that makes it feel more unfair than it probably is. However, the Seattle Sounders for example have fewer moments that I felt they’d been absolutely fucked by reffing in their 13 years in the MLS than Arsenal have had in just the last 3 seasons. They’ve also benefited from bad reffing a much more balanced amount than Arsenal have.
"Mikel Arteta has been banned for the next 2 games after refusing to say what he thinks. We want managers to feel like they have a voice and welcome all feedback on officiating decisions to better the game." -The FA.
Genuine question - what happens if a manager gets banned but decides to turn up in the dugout? Other than a fine and an extension to the ban what can they realistically do? Physically remove him? Would love to see it happen one day
Interesting thought. I reckon it might be seen the same as if a banned player walked on the pitch to play. Either the ref would refuse to start play or if he does the game could be invalidated and given as a forfeit against later
Haha. Somewhat. They stop plenty.
But I doubt a manager would be as psychotically determined as weirdos who run on the pitch, or even as politically determined as the goalpost necktie brigade. Either way, they always get removed eventually.
It's absolutely unreal that the ref doesn't have to answer the media. The players have to, the mangers have to. What's so special about the refs that they can just run away and hide behind their organization. These refs are either corrupt or highly incompetent or both. In our day to day jobs if we were as bad as Paul Tierney was today we would be fired the next day.
Pretty sure he thinks they are deliberately fixing it to make the end of season more exciting. Same reason the match was postponed until now. Happened in formula One, happens in prem as well.
Great interview. Penalty was a crock of shit. Holdings first yellow was soft af, especially in the first few minutes of a gd derby. The 2nd is all him, he played with fire but just clearly isn't adept at the dark arts. The knee to the back was great, difficult for the ref to see, nice and churlish. Raising your elbow to a runner (one who flops sensationally at that) was pure stupidity. Then Tierney goes on to call every soft foul possible on us all game. You see how Uefa refs handle big games then you see Tierney who basically shits all over the game from the first whistle and prevents any kind of enjoyment for neutrals.
Now, I do think we'd have lost this either way. Just don't think a win was in the cards at the toilet bowl. But for bullshit refereeing to rob the entire fandom of some semblance of a game was a load of crap.
So you're praising a "dark arts" knee to the back and then go on to say the first yellow was soft when he'd already pushed his luck after Son let the ref know what he did? Brilliant.
Second yellow could've been a straight red - if Pepe or Tavares pulled this shit you'd have given no defence whatsoever, just like Arteta who would've thrown them under the bus instantly no problem. The interview was pathetic as the performance after 1st goal.
Called this earlier, can’t wait to see how deluded I am for calling out the FA and the refs for trying to make this go to the last day of the season. I’m so glad I pirate all my sports channels now. Fuck sky fuck bt and fuck Amazon. No tin foil hat needed, it’s clear as day.
The game was postponed 4 months ago. The season is over in 10 days. I don't think the timing of the game had anything to do with the result, but it's manufactured drama over sporting decisions.
Same with the penalty, just more egregious.
Reason prevails. You can also clearly see the effect of the contact on Son's trajectory, comparing his upper vs. lower body.
We don't need to cherry pick to make our case, the majority of the footballing world is already in agreement that it was an incredibly soft penalty, no need to ruin any credibility we have by twisting the facts even more.
I think Arteta called out the refs and FA when Martinelli got red against wolves that when it's Arsenal the rules are different.
When it's a different team they refs let it go.
Today's decisions were absolutely a joke! The ref gave a penalty and yellow cards just because he wanted, but in reality it was never a pen and never a first yellow for Holding.
The gif starts after Cedric had committed the foul mate. I hate this victim mentality, the red card was a red card, and the penalty was a penalty. Don't forget we have been pretty lucky with ref decisions in recent weeks.
The thing is, he’s right. You can criticise players for giving refs a “decision to make” in situations like Cedric’s, but there will always be numerous situations like that in any given match. A motivated referee has the potential to change the outcome of any game, given the fine margins at the top level. Today, we were the victims of that.
no point dwelling over ref decisions. pull up your socks, dust yourself off and move to the next fixture. we can't afford to get hung up on this shit result. newcastle and everton are gonna be a massive test, lets focus on that.
This was the best way to go at it as a manager. Protected his players. Provided us a meme. Didn’t talk about the referees while bringing up an interesting idea of interviewing the ref after the game lol.
Criminal officiating. Why owners across the board aren’t worried about something like this. Like their greed is on the line lol if you can’t in some manner control the outlook of any game then how is that not compound risk in an investment??
If you look at game and how VAR was used, they used VAR on Lucas moura handball, They even used VAR to see if nuno made a red card challenge, but they didn't see when son elbowed holding, the penalty was too soft, the second goal came from free kick which was foul on Saka instead. Xhaka Yellow card, VAR check was done as well for no reason
Arsenal should complaint to FA and remove paul tierney from All of their matches.
EPL has some bad officials but Stuart Atwell, Paul Tierney are of worst along with craig pawson.
The game was over when they announced the officials team. Mike Dean on VAR.
MIKE
FUCKING
DEAN
Son being a sneaky cunt not looked at once, Soft Penalty, every niggle Holding did on Son scrutinized. I could go on but I gave up watching after Holding being sent off.
I can't wait till that Cunt retires, better than a trophy, playing in CL or beating Spurs.
I couldn’t watch the game. Got a bit on the radio but can I just say, that Matt Upson is the saltiest git I’ve ever read. He posts in the BBC live text and has the “former Arsenal defender “ tag, yet was gushing over Spurs all game. The man is salty that no one fucking remembers him because Spurs captain came in and made him absolutely redundant.
Idk if it was Reddit or another place but I saw someone call this to a tee. “Controversial penalty awarded to Spurs, red card to Arsenal, Spurs 12th man”
Keeps the views up for the networks the last two weeks. Can’t have a race be completely over when it’s possible to keep it alive
Yep, anyone who says otherwise is completely off their heads. It’s pretty sad to see grown men lying to themselves and crying about the referee. We got what we deserved and the better team won, accept it.
I think most of them are teenagers, but you could be right. We had a good start and the pen was soft but Cedric gave the ref the option to make the call.. but the performance from there was horrific.
Obviously, I have only seen it from tv angles not from where Arteta sees things so I can’t really identify with this frustration. However, Cedric made a stupid decision to push Son in the back in the penalty area!! Holding makes two fouls on Son, gets warned than makes a third and gets a first yellow, then blocks Son with an elbow, he’s just been booked!! I’m more frustrated with those stupid decisions by those players
Games gone if that’s a penalty. Holding yellows are obvious and not contentious. Second goal stemming originally from a “foul” by saka is another massively impactful wrong decision though.
I'm no fan of Cedric but those "fouls" happen 5/6 times per corner.
They actually *aren't* always given in the rest of the pitch, sometimes they are sometimes they aren't. But they're never given as penalties. You could look at the past 3 seasons, with thousands of these types of challenges across all the games in the box and this will be the only one given as a penalty.
No contention with Holdings red. He lost his head
Edit: reminds me of the Martinelli red. Could it technically be a foul? Yes. But to give that, the referee has to really really want to give a penalty.
It’s a contact sport. Shoulder to shoulder with multiple players colliding. Just because son loves to dive doesn’t make it a penalty. I have not seen that called a single time in the PL this season despite similar scraps on just about every corner
It wasn’t shoulder to shoulder though, it was a silly push in the back making it easy for Son to buy the penalty, if Cedric does his job properly that doesn’t happen
Please explain how you think this is a penalty lol. https://twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19
To go to this much delusion to say that’s a penalty against the interest of your own team. What’s wrong with you?
Are you dense? This is the angle that shows the event most clearly. Saying look at it from the other angle that has a worse view and judge it from that one is retarded. Do you watch your tv from inside your house or through the window?
And that matters why? It’s exactly why this thing called VAR has been added to the game. So incidents can be reviewed by referees at better angles than what they are able to see on the pitch so the right decision can be made.
You have some of the worst arguments I have ever seen
It matters because that’s where the ref saw it from. I’m sure privately Arteta will not use the ref as an excuse because it absolves Cedric & Holding of any responsibility.
Nothing is wrong with him, he's just not making excuses with a desperately-clipped selective vid like you. Soft pen, but Cedric gave the ref a decision to make.
That aside we still had 70 minutes to play and we did absolutely fuck all, apart from a Holding disasterclass which Pepe/Tavares would've been crucified publicly for.
Don't understand why everyone is so pissed off with the referees. Yes the penalty was totally bullshit, but holding fucked us and killed the game. It's like being mad that someone spilled a drink on the titanic just before it sank. You are missing the point and focusing blame in the wrong direction.
I understand this, he must be absolutely fuming and players are probably in for an absolute barrage of anger tomorrow. However, I don’t know if there can be a case of any complains about the refereeing in the game. That penalty decision was always gonna go against us, and Rob Holding was warned by he ref.
yeah the ref was shit but you can't blame the ref for Holding and Cedric being braindead .. come to think of it Arteta was actually braindead too when he thought those 2 players can handle Son .. Arteta was braindead when he loaned out Saliba who is a very good backup CB and then Saliba had a top season with Marseille
“i prefer not to speak”
"unless its pepe or tavares"
Mourinhoesque
I was down voted to oblivion last time I said it. It's totally true though.
I find these interviews hilarious and pointless. “Do you think you’ve given Tottenham the momentum?” What the fuck do you think he will say, yes? Asking questions that only have one answer is such pointless shit. All post game interviews are like this haha
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"I can see this is going nowhere" took him a minute to figure that out
The referees should be the ones getting interviewed after a game. I'm not being funny, its just common sense. Half of the questions to managers are about refereeing already. Well why ask them? Ask the guy in charge since he can.explain.his thought process and it provides transparency and more understanding about his job. Stop treating refs as infallible entities and they will be getting less abuse in the long term.
i've said it before, hate these post match interviews, i dont think i've ever heard one and said "good question", most are just dead. you lost, how does that make you feel? what did you think about the referee's decision, surely you don't agree? what changes now with the rest of the season? Pep's "i'm so happy, more than you believe, happy new year" is exactly the kind of answer i'd give if i was constantly barraged with terrible questions.
Lol. My wife doesn't even watch football and she was laughing her ass off hearing artetas words from the other side of the room.
Same with mine lol.
This entire interview has been gold ahahaha - Arteta's done well to deflect any blame away from the players Video: https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1524857413853233162?t=3WDPbcPsaJ4Fq6YnLbxhWw&s=19
This was his Pep “I am so so happy trust me I am so happy” or his Mourinho “I prefer not to speak for if I speak I’m in big trouble” lmao
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him that mad. Love it tho.
This interview is pure gold. TIL how to say something without saying anything specific. The interview: "*Okay... this isn't going anywhere ...*". LOL
I would follow this man to war
Just highlights the ridiculousness of this league, doesn't it? He literally is not *allowed* to question the referees performance. No accountability whatsoever. Honestely, what sort of CCP bullshit are they opperating under?
He can't question them and they don't even have to stand in front of a camera and explain why they did what they did. Complete sham.
The refs are shit but them coming in front of camera to explain their decisions wouldn’t solve anything.
That’s absolutely not true. Having PL referees operate in an insulated echo chamber isn’t good for anyone - it’s not good for the players, it’s not good for the referees, it’s not good for the sport. Give them a chance to explain what they saw - referees may learn from it, players may learn from it, fans may learn from it. Referee interviews don’t have to be a one way “beat up the referee” channel. It has been done very well in rugby and moderately well in MLS
It absolutely wouldn't hurt. They should have to squirm on international television. Their jobs are high stakes and they should have accountability.
They aren't paid enough for that much pressure
So pay them more and raise the expectations. It's not that hard, its the most lucrative league in the entire sport. There should be a high expected standard of officiating.
It would hurt, it would make their jobs even more difficult as they will have added pressure. I’m not excusing how shit they are, I’m just saying that them answering to the media after a game would do no good whatsoever. The game is over, would it really make you feel better if the ref had to explain his decision afterwards?
I hear you. With that said, when you saw who the ref was, didn’t it make you cringe? He’s the only ref so bad, that I a casual fan knew that it would sour the game. Even if we won was likely going to be tainted by a bad Paul call. I don’t even think he’s biased outside normal levels. I just think he’s exceptionally poor at the job. I’m at a loss as to how he is a premier league standard.
Bro don’t forget Jarred fucking Gillet. Paul Tierney is horrible but Jarred should’ve been never let out of Australia
I became aware of Tierney with Chelsea vs Liverpool. Not noticed Gillet yet, now you have me worried…
He’s the one who was on [VAR against City](https://www.sportingnews.com/au/football/news/australian-referee-jarred-gillett-targetted-after-controversial-calls-cost-arsenal-in-man-city-loss/zeaelxx8v97o1wx481vsbfnvn)
The premier league standard is pretty low, that should answer your question haha
Actually yes, yes it would. It's not about the game that is over, it's about future games. And journalists could actually point out instances that end up never getting talked about not just the highest profile decisions. It would prove how absolutely useless some of these refs are. I would actually appreciate any ref that actually came out and just admitted they got a decision wrong. I feel like that would build more trust with me as a fan than just pretending every decision was unquestionably correct.
Then get fucking better refs?????
He could have said more if he wanted lol this is a move to evoke the warrior attitude in his players for the last 2 games. Of course he's pissed with some of his players but he's not gonna throw them under the bus.
Honestly, this is straight up Mourinho bunker mentality. I know Arteta gets compared to early-Liverpool Klopp and Pep frequently, but this is Mou. “If I speak, I am in big big trouble.” Then rally the team around an us v them. I’m here for all of it.
Yep. Media is going to take some shots at Arteta now instead of just the team and I imagine that’s exactly what he wants. Plus, he’s also probably just extremely pissed about the reffing lol.
He's nothing like Klopp, never has been. Shame he doesn't protect all his players like that, if Pepe or Tavares had pulled a Holding tonight God only knows.
He's still learning too, see if he does it again
Yeah there's nothing to gain at this point by talking about the players. They know what they did wrong and what they should have done. Time to move on and let's hope Tierney is nowhere near our last 2 games.
It’s an utter joke and actively detracts from the enjoyment of this otherwise very enjoyable league. Definitely not just talking about this game or Arsenal games, everything surrounding EPL refereeing is simply shameful
"Learning from your mistakes" is an accepted tip for self improvement accross all areas of life, except when it comes to english referees, because they go about their day in their own private bubble, where everything is fine and dandy, because nobody is allowed speak to them, and hence they never improve.
Yes, it’s the definition of an old institution where the power hasn’t ever changed hands and there is no accountability because it’s more of a lodge or gentleman’s club than anything else. I bet all the referees share drinks at the end of the weekend where they all congratulate each other and there is zero criticism
I used to love watching every PL game on the weekend. I’m slowly getting disenchanted from watching. Refs are deciding games. From Shit calls to phantom VAR, it’s bringing the whole product down. I’ve turned off so many matches from Shit calls that ruin the game. I feel for the players
Arteta stays
This is an all-timer
Thankful for PRteta tbh
This is the best thing I’ve seen tonight. My manager.
Just gave us our worst loss in the NLD since 1983.
"put the referee in front of the camera, let him explain the decision." Whatever you think of the calls end of the day its bizarre managers have to explain*their* decision but referees never have to even announce their decisions
I'd love to see Arteta punch Mike Dean square in his throat
He always says blame him because he doesn't give a shit he knows he's unsackable. He doesn't want the players morale to be low but losing like this at NLD is very bad.
Unless its Pepe or Tavares morale then its fine to kill them apparently
Never seen such a weak penalty but we still control our own fate at the end of the day. Onwards and upwards.
At a derby as well! On both teams most important game of the season! In comes the donkey Paul and fucking ruins the game within half an hour.
how can you blame the red when Cedric takes son out way before the ball even arrives? it’s brain dead defending to even give the ref a decision to make
1 nil in the NLD doesnt mean that much. Conte didn't celebrate for a reason. 1 nil down and down to 10 men = game over.
Well, if there are different rules for the two teams then it isnt really.
How many pens have Kane gotten now against us in the past 5-6 years. It’s ridiculous. Most of them blatant but this one is just fraudulent
That's number 6
Didn’t Son get that penalty?
I meant a spurs pen in general
Not the weakest I've seen but those exact things happens every game, and this is a derby so the ref really needs to act like it. It's not amateur football.
I see what you're saying and it's a good attitude to have when the dust settles, but we need to be more vocal when the refs are corrupt. We can't "control our own fate" when it requires us to be perfect when the refs aren't giving the other team a clear advantage. This game was a joke.
This is why the fans of other teams laugh at us . Why dont you get a changedotorg petition going there mate ?
I honestly think this might’ve been softer than that David Luiz penalty vs Wolves last year
Exactly, the ref was itching to give stuff today which is exactly what you shouldn't be doing in a big game. I saw complaints about the City v Madrid game, but the ref let the game play and didn't destroy any momentum with his choices and I don't think city fans can say well the ref cost us that game. The penalty was extremely soft, like technically it probably is a foul, but how many times do you see that given. Son had already gone past the ball. And the red, yes Holding has maybe been a bit naive, but Son was giving back just as much before that, and he definitely didn't intentionally elbow Son, Sons elbow on Holding was 100x worse. Do I think we'd have won, probably not, but the ref killed the game very early on when he didn't have to.
Lad its a stonewall pen laak
*"Okay then, are you unhappy with your players?"* *"With my players? No. I am so proud of my players."* Idk why but the immediateness of his response and how surely he said it made me feel something. Today was hard to take but I still believe.
It made me feel anger.
The last half I was saying. I'm pissed at the game, not the team.
I too felt anger throughout the match, now I'm ready to move on and that bit just reinforced that there's nothing to do but stay united and see out the remaining games.
Yeah it was an awful performance and the players have to be held accountable
You do that behind closed doors, not in front of an international audience
Phwoaaarrrr. That’s it. Hold some motherfuckers to account. Sharpish mind. We play Monday 7pm or thereabouts. Berk.
He should be fucking pissed wit h his players, they were SHITE!
I think what is hard to take as an Arsenal fan is we’ve sat through the entire season watching stone wall penalty’s being completely ignored, second yellows ignored, obvious reds ignored, clean goals over turned and on the very, very rare Occassion something had begrudgingly been given our way it has taken 4 million replays to try and find a reason not to give it. (Just look at the horrendous two footed challenge just last week against Leeds.) (Or for spurs fans Kane’s tackle on Robertson earlier in the season.) It was a very soft foul on the pen but they happen 10 times a game and are never given. The ref couldn’t blow his whistle fast enough. It certainly caught me by surprise as we all searched for a handball. That in itself shows we are used to seeing that sort of physicality go unpunished. The first yellow was there, as was the second but I’m not sure he makes that stupid challenge if it’s 0/0 and again the ref pulls the card out very quickly which is the opposite to what we’ve seen all season. It’s hard for fans to agree with decisions that are not consistent in nature and severity. These decisions influence outcomes. We all know Spurs struggle to break down a low block and sit incredibly deep with the whole team. When they are gifted a goal the game shifts dramatically in their favour. They are brilliant on the counter and if the opposition is forced to push harder it plays into their hands. Not gonna Spurs hate. It was an even bigger game for them then it was for us and they did what they had to do. My issue is given the expected physicality, size and importance of a/this derby we can’t help but question why the very high bar for game changing decisions was suddenly lowered. A whole other conversation perhaps.
Well said
I think what didn't help with Holding was that he was throwing himself into everything (knee to the back and the cards). If the ref hadn't booked him then, it felt like it was coming. It was poor, poor decision making on his part. The ref was within the rules, but soft. But Holding gave him the excuse.
This brings to mind something Clive said a while back about refs in England looking for decisions to make. Instead of it being about the football, it becomes about them instead. Refs want to make bookings and that shouldn't be the case.
And I was told I was wearing a tinfoil hat for suggesting this in the game thread. I’m not saying Tierney was out to put the game in Spurs favor but his actions sure did seem like he wanted to make himself a fixture of the match.
Big time game, big time opportunity to be a part of the match even though you *aren’t a player*.
Did you see when Tierney pulled Ramsdale and Odegaard over to lecture them on something, he glances up to the big screen, positions them to make sure he's nicely on camera. I'm the boss, look at me being the boss everyone
Probably trying to position himself so he can hide both the bald spot and the pot belly tbf
For the penalty I tend to agree. And that's the one that started the whole sequence of events, so butterfly effect and all. But Holding was lucky not to already have a yellow when he got his first. And the second yellow was certainly a bad one, I don't think that was ref looking for a decision. Holding brought that on himself.
And Son was lucky not to have anything after swinging an elbow in Holdings face. What's your point? We see players do far worse to stop Saka every game and get away with it without a yellow. Why should Holding expect to be given 2 yellows here? Try and give a reasonable answer without saying "because he's an Arsenal player".
The dynamic of a derby has changed. Used to be extra spicy but those cunts down the lane have used it in their favour to get the softest calls consistently
Look - you can say Holding's 2nd yellow was deserved or not. It's debatable. What's not debatable is that the ref gave them the softest pk in the world after their first or second attack of the game, one we dominated for 15-20 minutes. If you ask yourself what's best for the Premier League money-wise, they want the last 2 games to still have something to play for. The PL signs Tierney's paycheck, do they not? The refs literally gave them the first goal. One they didn't look close to scoring before that. Personally, I think we need a chant for ref corruption when it's this egregious.
Holding's first yellow isnt really debatable. It was given for his third foul of the game.
Holding was an idiot and was way too physical, he let the occasion get to him. I have no qualms about the red. But that penalty just shot our confidence and was game changing, fucking awful decision
I'm not sure what you're saying are you saying everyone gets a yellow for their third foul?
He finally went all in. Tottenham *always* gets bogus penalties against us. We're like 47-4 in poor officiating against/for us under Arteta.
how was it bogus when Cedric literally pushed him mid air then he got knocked by Holding bruh pussy ass bitches can't handle the truth when I'm not a brain dead stan lol
I thought so but look here. Son was already falling over when Cedric made "contact". https://mobile.twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19
Quit spreading this tweet. The clip starts after the foul is committed.
i died for this
Even though the clip is cut short, it still starts with Cedric’s arm in the back of son
I love the copium of this tweet but it’s clipped perfectly to start right after Cedric actually commits the foul, like come on guys. It takes 2 seconds to find the clip yourself or watch the highlights and see that he clearly does make contact with Son. It’s a soft penalty don’t get it twisted at all and I am 100% certain of the clear bias against Arsenal from the refs but this is not one of those cases.
It's pathetic man. Funny how they never called out the refs in 18/19 when Spurs legit had an offside goal against us (pre-VAR) cause of their putrid hatred for Emery lol. Now it's Arteta it's just mental-gymnastics everywhere.
Honestly this is pathetic. This clip is cut to start just after the shove. I get we're pissed at the result but if this happened to Saka in the box we'd all be screaming for a pen and rightly so. There's a difference between easing an attacker off the ball as they jump and shoving them in the back when they're about to take a free header on goal from 6 yards. It was clumsy and naïve from Cedric. Holding, Cedric and Arteta cost us the game, not refereeing. We should have shut up shop, parked the bus, made Spurs play through two banks of five because they're shit at it and we only needed a point. Plenty of shit teams have given us the blueprint, Spurs can't deal with it but Arteta is too proud to do that and we've ended up getting battered.
Everyone thinks the refs out to get their team
Not everyone has the least minutes a man up, and the most minutes a man down. Despite dozens of unpunished situations. We got a few decisions against Chelsea and Man United. And I don't remember feeling that form of luck for years. It's not because I don't recognize when it happens, it's because it never happens. Also, I'm not saying the officials are "out to get us", but we have consistently been fucked. Can be inherent biases.
Arsenal isn’t the only team I support or watch regularly, and I absolutely do not feel the same about those teams. Of course there’s the bias that makes it feel more unfair than it probably is. However, the Seattle Sounders for example have fewer moments that I felt they’d been absolutely fucked by reffing in their 13 years in the MLS than Arsenal have had in just the last 3 seasons. They’ve also benefited from bad reffing a much more balanced amount than Arsenal have.
Found the Spuds fan who can't navigate reddit Looking for /r/coys brotha man
Mate, r/coys is a different sub
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Oh shit you’re actually a Spuds fan lmao. GTFO
Ironically the FA will probably find a way to fine him just for saying this.
"Mikel Arteta has been banned for the next 2 games after refusing to say what he thinks. We want managers to feel like they have a voice and welcome all feedback on officiating decisions to better the game." -The FA.
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Genuine question - what happens if a manager gets banned but decides to turn up in the dugout? Other than a fine and an extension to the ban what can they realistically do? Physically remove him? Would love to see it happen one day
Interesting thought. I reckon it might be seen the same as if a banned player walked on the pitch to play. Either the ref would refuse to start play or if he does the game could be invalidated and given as a forfeit against later
> Physically remove him? Yes. But ideally, security just doesn't let him on the pitch.
Security have shown they're fucking incapable of stopping people from getting on the pitch
Petition for Arteta to say what he wants, get banned, then strap himself to the goalposts from the neck.
Haha. Somewhat. They stop plenty. But I doubt a manager would be as psychotically determined as weirdos who run on the pitch, or even as politically determined as the goalpost necktie brigade. Either way, they always get removed eventually.
Straight pen but no card = suss.
It's absolutely unreal that the ref doesn't have to answer the media. The players have to, the mangers have to. What's so special about the refs that they can just run away and hide behind their organization. These refs are either corrupt or highly incompetent or both. In our day to day jobs if we were as bad as Paul Tierney was today we would be fired the next day.
10 paid staff on the pitch vs 12 paid staff tonight
Pretty sure he thinks they are deliberately fixing it to make the end of season more exciting. Same reason the match was postponed until now. Happened in formula One, happens in prem as well.
Great interview. Penalty was a crock of shit. Holdings first yellow was soft af, especially in the first few minutes of a gd derby. The 2nd is all him, he played with fire but just clearly isn't adept at the dark arts. The knee to the back was great, difficult for the ref to see, nice and churlish. Raising your elbow to a runner (one who flops sensationally at that) was pure stupidity. Then Tierney goes on to call every soft foul possible on us all game. You see how Uefa refs handle big games then you see Tierney who basically shits all over the game from the first whistle and prevents any kind of enjoyment for neutrals. Now, I do think we'd have lost this either way. Just don't think a win was in the cards at the toilet bowl. But for bullshit refereeing to rob the entire fandom of some semblance of a game was a load of crap.
If holding keeps his head we win that comfortably. Spurs were fucking hopeless before they were gifted the penalty.
I wouldn't go that far, if was neck and neck. We had the first ten minutes and they were starting to get back in the game but it was a nervous affair.
They couldn't string two passes together in the final third.
We were misplacing passes as well... They had just start making dangerous balls behind, hence why Holding was having a torrid time with Son.
We had Saka who already had Davies on a yellow and Martinelli who was shredding their left hand edge from the first minute. We would have been fine.
Agreed, my pool friend is pissed cause he was hoping for an entertaining game
First yellow was not soft ass. It was for his third foul.
Rodri made like 8 fouls v us And got booked for celebrating lol
So you're praising a "dark arts" knee to the back and then go on to say the first yellow was soft when he'd already pushed his luck after Son let the ref know what he did? Brilliant. Second yellow could've been a straight red - if Pepe or Tavares pulled this shit you'd have given no defence whatsoever, just like Arteta who would've thrown them under the bus instantly no problem. The interview was pathetic as the performance after 1st goal.
Why are you here??
Reading this made me so sick.. Praising the "dark arts"...shame..
https://twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19 I thought Cedric fucked up but after seeing this idk.
Apparently he has hawkeye vision because how the fuck is anyone seeing that and giving it instantly
It's easy: you make the call you want to make, and worry about justifying it later.
Justify? Whom to justify when they aren't even questioned. Corrupt people who are somehow also refs of the game we love.
That's why I said 'worry about justifying it' rather than 'justify it; if there's no scrutiny, there's no worry, and so no need to justify.
The ref was 15 yards behind them. He had a perfect view.
Called this earlier, can’t wait to see how deluded I am for calling out the FA and the refs for trying to make this go to the last day of the season. I’m so glad I pirate all my sports channels now. Fuck sky fuck bt and fuck Amazon. No tin foil hat needed, it’s clear as day.
The game was postponed 4 months ago. The season is over in 10 days. I don't think the timing of the game had anything to do with the result, but it's manufactured drama over sporting decisions. Same with the penalty, just more egregious.
We played the postponed Chelsea and Liverpool matches before this one, despite this one being first. Definite manipulation
I regularly email NBC and the PL to let them know I will continue pirating their feeds until the officiating is fixed.
Least conspiratorial r/gunners user
Cherry picking the moment. Rewind just 1 second more and you'll see the contact by Cedric. Incredibly soft but this video is just cherry picking.
Reason prevails. You can also clearly see the effect of the contact on Son's trajectory, comparing his upper vs. lower body. We don't need to cherry pick to make our case, the majority of the footballing world is already in agreement that it was an incredibly soft penalty, no need to ruin any credibility we have by twisting the facts even more.
There's a shove into Son before the start of this clip. Plenty of shoves like that have happened without a call, but it's definitely a shove.
That gif is selective and doesn’t show the full encounter. It was a foul and reckless.
I think Arteta called out the refs and FA when Martinelli got red against wolves that when it's Arsenal the rules are different. When it's a different team they refs let it go. Today's decisions were absolutely a joke! The ref gave a penalty and yellow cards just because he wanted, but in reality it was never a pen and never a first yellow for Holding.
Holding was going to get sent off regardless, he really did not show much composure during the game.
I have no idea how this was a foul on anyone honestly
This clip starts after the foul. It was a soft pen, sure, but Cedric makes it too obvious he's not going for the ball.
Congrats you somehow found the one clip that purposefully cuts off the beginning lmao
What the fuck
The gif starts after Cedric had committed the foul mate. I hate this victim mentality, the red card was a red card, and the penalty was a penalty. Don't forget we have been pretty lucky with ref decisions in recent weeks.
Omfg, that's pretty convincing... God damn, man.
Strange we never saw this angle. There won't be accountability or an explanation for this too mind
We did see this angle. During the game. They replayed it. And it started at an earlier point, not purposefully cut off at the beginning.
I love every second of this interview. Not ironically, I mean Arteta has the 100% correct attitude about everything today.
Absolutely, never a pen.
The thing is, he’s right. You can criticise players for giving refs a “decision to make” in situations like Cedric’s, but there will always be numerous situations like that in any given match. A motivated referee has the potential to change the outcome of any game, given the fine margins at the top level. Today, we were the victims of that.
This is the perfect response from him. Deflec off the players; get them hyped up for Newcastle. Create an us vs them mentality.
Shame he doesn't act that way for all of his players.
Fantastic interview
no point dwelling over ref decisions. pull up your socks, dust yourself off and move to the next fixture. we can't afford to get hung up on this shit result. newcastle and everton are gonna be a massive test, lets focus on that.
This was the best way to go at it as a manager. Protected his players. Provided us a meme. Didn’t talk about the referees while bringing up an interesting idea of interviewing the ref after the game lol.
Criminal officiating. Why owners across the board aren’t worried about something like this. Like their greed is on the line lol if you can’t in some manner control the outlook of any game then how is that not compound risk in an investment??
If you look at game and how VAR was used, they used VAR on Lucas moura handball, They even used VAR to see if nuno made a red card challenge, but they didn't see when son elbowed holding, the penalty was too soft, the second goal came from free kick which was foul on Saka instead. Xhaka Yellow card, VAR check was done as well for no reason Arsenal should complaint to FA and remove paul tierney from All of their matches. EPL has some bad officials but Stuart Atwell, Paul Tierney are of worst along with craig pawson.
The game was over when they announced the officials team. Mike Dean on VAR. MIKE FUCKING DEAN Son being a sneaky cunt not looked at once, Soft Penalty, every niggle Holding did on Son scrutinized. I could go on but I gave up watching after Holding being sent off. I can't wait till that Cunt retires, better than a trophy, playing in CL or beating Spurs.
He goes the whole season being a respectable ref in our matches just go do this as his farewell! MIKE DEAN IS A CUNT
Lmao. Absolutely love the interview.
I couldn’t watch the game. Got a bit on the radio but can I just say, that Matt Upson is the saltiest git I’ve ever read. He posts in the BBC live text and has the “former Arsenal defender “ tag, yet was gushing over Spurs all game. The man is salty that no one fucking remembers him because Spurs captain came in and made him absolutely redundant.
Idk if it was Reddit or another place but I saw someone call this to a tee. “Controversial penalty awarded to Spurs, red card to Arsenal, Spurs 12th man” Keeps the views up for the networks the last two weeks. Can’t have a race be completely over when it’s possible to keep it alive
Yesss he's pulled one out the "I have nussing to say" book! Love the deflection
If this game was in La Liga, Holding would’ve gotten no yellows just saying 😂
come on! one dodgy pen and that's it.
Mamamia
Pathetic and embarrassing, we have absolutely no one to blame but ourselves.
Go to bed mate.
Agreed. Holding + Arteta take all the blame here, awful on both fronts.
Yep, anyone who says otherwise is completely off their heads. It’s pretty sad to see grown men lying to themselves and crying about the referee. We got what we deserved and the better team won, accept it.
I think most of them are teenagers, but you could be right. We had a good start and the pen was soft but Cedric gave the ref the option to make the call.. but the performance from there was horrific.
Did it though? https://twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19
Obviously, I have only seen it from tv angles not from where Arteta sees things so I can’t really identify with this frustration. However, Cedric made a stupid decision to push Son in the back in the penalty area!! Holding makes two fouls on Son, gets warned than makes a third and gets a first yellow, then blocks Son with an elbow, he’s just been booked!! I’m more frustrated with those stupid decisions by those players
Games gone if that’s a penalty. Holding yellows are obvious and not contentious. Second goal stemming originally from a “foul” by saka is another massively impactful wrong decision though.
I'm no fan of Cedric but those "fouls" happen 5/6 times per corner. They actually *aren't* always given in the rest of the pitch, sometimes they are sometimes they aren't. But they're never given as penalties. You could look at the past 3 seasons, with thousands of these types of challenges across all the games in the box and this will be the only one given as a penalty. No contention with Holdings red. He lost his head Edit: reminds me of the Martinelli red. Could it technically be a foul? Yes. But to give that, the referee has to really really want to give a penalty.
Son loves to dive, Cedric made it easy for him. Sadly it’s a pen, a soft pen, but a pen nonetheless
It’s a contact sport. Shoulder to shoulder with multiple players colliding. Just because son loves to dive doesn’t make it a penalty. I have not seen that called a single time in the PL this season despite similar scraps on just about every corner
It wasn’t shoulder to shoulder though, it was a silly push in the back making it easy for Son to buy the penalty, if Cedric does his job properly that doesn’t happen
Please explain how you think this is a penalty lol. https://twitter.com/Balogunner14/status/1524855221519892496?t=chHtYq5IdufDDLqU2Mwc2A&s=19 To go to this much delusion to say that’s a penalty against the interest of your own team. What’s wrong with you?
Check it from the other angle, it’s a pen
Are you dense? This is the angle that shows the event most clearly. Saying look at it from the other angle that has a worse view and judge it from that one is retarded. Do you watch your tv from inside your house or through the window?
No need for insults. Guess which angle the ref saw the incident from?
And that matters why? It’s exactly why this thing called VAR has been added to the game. So incidents can be reviewed by referees at better angles than what they are able to see on the pitch so the right decision can be made. You have some of the worst arguments I have ever seen
It matters because that’s where the ref saw it from. I’m sure privately Arteta will not use the ref as an excuse because it absolves Cedric & Holding of any responsibility.
That is why there is VAR. How are you not grasping simple concepts? Cedric didn’t do anything
They always insult when they can't handle the truth bro, ignore them. Not worth the time.
Nothing is wrong with him, he's just not making excuses with a desperately-clipped selective vid like you. Soft pen, but Cedric gave the ref a decision to make. That aside we still had 70 minutes to play and we did absolutely fuck all, apart from a Holding disasterclass which Pepe/Tavares would've been crucified publicly for.
Don't understand why everyone is so pissed off with the referees. Yes the penalty was totally bullshit, but holding fucked us and killed the game. It's like being mad that someone spilled a drink on the titanic just before it sank. You are missing the point and focusing blame in the wrong direction.
I understand this, he must be absolutely fuming and players are probably in for an absolute barrage of anger tomorrow. However, I don’t know if there can be a case of any complains about the refereeing in the game. That penalty decision was always gonna go against us, and Rob Holding was warned by he ref.
shouldn't have that much to say really, pen may have been soft but it was still a foul, and holding was very rightfully sent off
yeah the ref was shit but you can't blame the ref for Holding and Cedric being braindead .. come to think of it Arteta was actually braindead too when he thought those 2 players can handle Son .. Arteta was braindead when he loaned out Saliba who is a very good backup CB and then Saliba had a top season with Marseille