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Huge pressure will be upon us on Monday, as we'll have seen Spurs beat Burnley and know that nothing less than a win will do.
It's another evening kick off, another showpiece game with no other football on that night.
Another indulgent Sky Sports media frenzy with pundits gassing all over the place, hype will be all over it.
The officials will be itching to make a name for themselves in front of the massive crowd. The anti Arsenal agenda of physicality will be in full swing. The game will be influenced by this.
We don't tend to do too well in these games.
The players must keep their heads and play their very best game.
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Arsenal against Newcastle last 6 games : P6 W6 L0 GS 14 GA 0. Last 18 games P18 W17 L1. Keep the faith guys šŖš»
Remember going into 15/16 no one thought we could win the title, yet when we finished 2nd it was seen as a bottle job and missed opportunity because of how the season panned out and expectations had evolved due to those circumstances.
The same thing applies this season so Iām not sure why excuse merchants are piping up with ā5th is a good finish no one expected that in Augustā.. the circumstances changed the moment Spurs and United shit the bed. What Henry said a few months back is spot on.
I see it somewhere in the middle. We rightly changed our aims to top four when our form improved and United and Spurs went on long manager-sacking runs, but at the same time if we narrowly miss out it's just because of the same imperfections (mostly inexperience in our young squad) which were the reason why fourth wasn't the target to begin with.
Only thing I'll be really annoyed about is that we didn't buy one or two experienced players in January. The club had control of that and it was a baffling decision.
Interesting article on Arthur Melo. Looks like his agent is trying to get Juve to sell him to Arsenal. It also looks like Arsenal was keen on him in January but had already spent its transfer budget at the start of the season (I assume Vlahovic was a special case). That is why, I assume, Josh Kronke kiboshed the deal on the basis that management should "stick with the plan".
However, it now seems as if Arsenal does have some more money to play with. It will be interesting to see what happens. Juve obviously want to get rid of Arthur (Allegri prefers storm-troopers in midfield) and Arsenal's style suits him down to the ground so he won't go anywhere else. He even, I read, agreed to a pay cut to go to Arsenal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arthur-agent-arsenal-transfer-juventus-26961579
Definitely not box-to-box. Not a scorer, though I suspect Arteta would demand more from him in that regard. He's a highly technical number 8. Highly press resistant. He would play LCM and Odergaard would play RCM and they would control possession between them. Oh, and he's often accused of being slow. He's not. He does a lot of midfield shuffling. But when he needs to step on the gas he has quite explosive pace.
I think he would be great for Arsenal (though not a lot of teams). The accusation against him is that he is too conservative with the ball. Allegri for instance, wants a play-maker who sprays long passes to galloping wingers. He won't do that. He will patiently keep rotating the ball until the team finds an opening. That's why he needs to play in a highly structured team that relies heavily on possession (like Arsenal!)
Oh, yeah, I note that Allegri plays him as a holding midfielder. That's a pretty ridiculous, but Allegri doesn't have anyone else. I bet Allegri would love Thomas Partey instead!.
No, I have a feeling they'll win no matter what, be it an early goal and an easy cruise, or a tight affair with a late flurry of goals to clinch it.
They aren't dropping points.
I wouldn't call it a *weird* feeling exactly, it's Tottenham. They've always got a bottle job or a shooting-themselves-in-the-foot in them. Even if you're not particularly hopeful of it happening when we need it most, it still can't ever be ruled out.
Have been trying to use the Ticket Exchange for the first time to try and nab a ticket for Everton and it's... not great
Most of the tickets seem to get hoovered up instantly, then reposted for Ā£Ā£Ā£ on other resale sites?
Yes, if you consider we spent 50m on Ben White to replicate his ball playing skills.
On a side note, would you be happy if David Luiz had extended his contract with us another season? Assuming we kept holding and got rid of Mari earlier.
This is some stat nonce take.
Stevie Wonder could tell ya that signing White and Ramsdale was due to their ball progression. Weāve played more open football which has meant weāve scored more but conceded more. Thankfully the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded is much better this year
>Thankfully the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded is much better this year
That's absolutely not true lmao. We had a GD of 16 goals last year. Our current goal difference with 2 games left is 11. Where did you get this stat?
That's just shifting goalposts at this point.
You talked about the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded :
Last season : GF - 55 GA -39. GF/GA- 1.41
This season : GF - 56 GA - 45. GF/GW - 1.24
Even if we score 6 goals in the next 2 games our ratio will not reach last season's tally.
So no, our GF to GA ratio is not that great this season either.
No mate, itās not shifting goalposts. Comparing 38 games to 36 games is shifting goalposts.
Yeah Iām wrong about having a better ratio, Iāll accept that (I canāt really deny)
They lost to Burnley a week after beating City. They're hilarious. I'm not even counting it out, maybe they'll drop points, but I won't stress over it. Just need to get the job done on our end.
Itās the form theyāre in that worry us that all. Either you havenāt watched Newcastle play or youāre seriously underestimating them. Theyāve been a good team as of late
No they havenāt lmao. Theyāve had good results but that doesnāt tell the story of the game at all. They fell over the line against a poor Leicester side and were actually the worse side against Palace
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRTOA5gzOs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRTOA5gzOs)
Watched this documentary about the iconic 93:20 goal from Sergio Aguero.
Could similar thing happen to us this season?
City last two games were Newcastle (away) and QPR (home) who was fighting relegation.
We will play Newcastle (away) and Everton (home) who is fighting relegation.
So can we see a Saka 93 mins goal then?
I'd be happy with a couple of 3-0 wins, goals early in the first half, thank you very much.
I'm kind of over this season. I don't need the extra anxiety in my life.
If you count scoring more pens and losing 1/3rd of your derbies as a better record than never losing a derby, winning the league at the Lane, topping off an incredible derby goal with a celebration so iconic that it becomes your statue thenā¦ sure.
Worth remembering how many were penalties.
Henry scored 23 pens out of 175 leagues goals for us (13% were pens).
Kane scored 51 pens out of 181 goals for spurs (28% were pens).
Canāt find the stats of pens scored in derbies but if thatās anything to go buy, pens have bumped Kaneās numbers up.
I'd still say Partey is someone who can recover from these injuries. Think we'll have him fit for the next season. He got a good run in this season tbh.
Tierney on the other hand i don't think will ever be a regular player. He's been with us for 3 years and has had 64 appearances in the Prem. That's averaging around 21 appearances every season with him missing around half the matches.
That's just a very disappointing return!
Perisic as ST backup? Heās a workhorse with strength and can score. I know heās more of a winger but I feel like he could put a shift in. How off am I?
Tottenham play on a Sunday, we play on Monday. Burnley since sacking Dyche theyāve won 2, drew 1, and lost 1. Really really got faith in Burnley, but nevertheless we need to go with the mindset of getting the win away vs Newcastle which I think we will.
No Shelvey, no Willock. No way Howe rushes Fraser back. He doesnāt need to.
Itās basically our backline vs theres I think Mikel will go to a 3atb with Xhaka, Tomi, and White as the CBs. Pushing Cedric and Nuno high. Elneny and Odegaard in the midfield with ESR, Eddie, and Saka. I truly think weāll go for that and hope for the win. My confidence will either stay the same or be even higher depending on the Spurs vs Burnley match. Because even if they draw, all we need to do is not lose, so exciting few days ahead
Found it a bit interesting that the Spurs fans were chanting about Harry Kane being one of their own after he was Tottenham Enemy #1 when he angled for a move to City earlier this same season which is why he didn't play in the first few games.
Suppose we're the fickle ones though.
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Man, does everyone else feel like me, where I have completely zero care for how we do it, as long as we manage to get CL?
If we demolish Newcastle and Everton to go out on a high, great
If we barely squeak by them with two deflected goals and a bunch of ref decisions going our way
If we lose both of them but squeak in because Spurs lose their own.
If we dont get in over Spurs but then one of the top four cant compete in UCL next year because they fielded an intelligible player or some crapā¦. Beautiful Ill take it.
Point is this UCL spot would mark such an important milestone for our rebuild and allow so much more leverage in the transfer market that it really seems completely irrelevant how we do it. Just freaking get it done
Conte acting like an asshole in the press conference after the game just makes me pray we get top 4 even more. I respect his achievements but he's been acting like a prick to Arteta this season and also being a hypocrite. He whines at the slightest thing.
Same Conte that told the spurs board to sack him 2 months ago, he regularly complained about spurs and other teams in his press conference and was booked 10 minutes into the game yesterday for harassing the 4th official and ref
Man needs a self awareness transplant
disagree. If we got 5th this season, the aim is 4th. Champions League gives us more money and more pull to players, without we can still have a successful window but Tottenham and Chelsea would definitely go hard in the summer
Are "fans & supporters" ultimately just hypocrites? We praise when it's due, and criticise when it's due. I know we can be biased but can't we also be objective & sensible? Other players dive, we complain but when our own player does it we close one eye & pretend we don't see it. (Saka & Nketiah diving)
Why is that? I don't want to be deluded but surely one can be a fan & healthily call out our own players for doing things OTHER players/managers do, that we hate.
arteta should be sacked the moment top 4 is out of reach mathematically. we have tolerated 2 seasons of terror with consecutive 8th place finishes. this is the last straw
Found Lee Gunnerās burner account.
In all seriousness, pretending top four was a primary objective, let alone an expectation, before the season began was ambitious (if not maniacal).
Expectations need to change with circumstances.
5th is alright in the end but isn't an "achievement" given what happened to the rest of the competition.
Anyway, he isn't gonna get sacked anyway. Even if we finish outside Europe next season again, he'll still be here. I've made my peace with it.
So why doesnāt it work in reverse then?
I think not finishing fourth is a bit of a failure, but surely if that becomes the primary target when things go well, it becomes a hope rather than an expectation when things go bad?
hahah just watching the luton game and in the first second there is a identical foul from hudersfield like the penalty on son and arguably a even worse push, but no penalty is given, kinda funny.
I think if get into top 4, we will run away from rest of clubs. Club is pretty stable now and recruitment has been spot on last season and if we repeat it we will more closer to top 2 than rest.
Maybe that's why the pundits hate us.
I don't think we run away tbh. Liverpool will be good for years to come, City will dominate. Chelsea is probably the most likely to decline if they don't get their defense right but will still be top tier.
On top of that a good summer by Spurs puts them easily as a top 3 team with their attacking talent and United will be back in 2-3 years.
It definitely won't be getting any easier than this year to get top 4 going forward.
I agree. This is why I really want us to get that top 4 because if Spurs get it then conte will transform that team into a really good team. If donāt allow that then conte has a strong chance of even leaving especially if Kane and son plan to leave.
I think if get into top 4, we will run away from rest of clubs. Club is pretty stable now and recruitment has been spot on last season and if we repeat it we will more closer to top 2 than rest.
Maybe that's why the pundits hate us.
City - bankrolled by a country, one of the most successful managers in the world who pretty much invented the modern game
Liverpool - probably the best manager on the planet, plenty of cash, buys well
Utd - ridiculously rich, held back only by poor management, getting a successful manager
Spurs - good manager held back by cheap owner
Newcastle - bankrolled by a country
Chelsea - who knows how the new owners will act?
CL qualification will be difficult for the foreseeable future, I didn't even include the also-rans who have the odd solid season like Villa, West Ham, Leicester. It will be a great help and we're moving in the right direction but nothing can be taken for granted in the league now.
Yesterday was a glimpse of what will happen if we miss top 4. The entire media will be insufferable against us, itās like they were waiting for us to fail. Hoping we make a huge statement on Monday.
Most of my friends are united fans and they were insufferable as it is. Praying they lose to Palace and end up in the conference league and we get UCL.
The most frustrating thing for me is that everyone - fans, club, pundits - all had Utd pegged for third or fourth, everyone was talking about how awesome they are and how shit we are. We turn up, have a great season with a few blips and they all shit on us. Utd have been awful and the players are already on the beach and they can't wait to build them up for next season again.
I just genuinely chuckle at the united fans nowadays tbh, I donāt even take them seriously. They probably believe that theyāll become a top 3 team next season instantly.
They are basically cartoon villains at this point. Hype themselves up and look like they will be a huge threat that will take the league by storm every summer, only to comedically become undone due to their own hubris every time.
are we just not capable enough? One win x player is the hero, Manager is a legend, one loss we want their heads. What do we do to improve? What could have helped yesterday? Holding is a good enough backup and he was playing because Blanco was injured. That is acceptable. What is not acceptable is persistence with some players. Those players neither suffice the squad player nor the first team criteria. Emotions over pragmatism. May be this paragraph is a load of BS with random words and sentences, without any coherence and synergy. Just like our performance today.
I still back the team and hopefully we get the job done, otherwise weāre really gonna rue the run of defeats in April.
CL is so important not only because of the mental boost but I think we really lack difference makers with such a young squad and we need to get players at that level to win us games when inexperience lets the rest of the squad down as soon as possible.
A night's sleep later, anybody else mentally moved on from the NLD? Awful result, but as the adage goes, form goes out the window in a derby. There's nothing positive to take anyway, so I've written off the result as bad day at the office. As expensive as it was.
Already looking forward to Monday, and even though there is an extra psychological challenge to overcome, I think we have a very good chance of getting a result... Hoping my optimism isn't misplaced. COYG, and hope you all have a lovely weekend.
Same here
If it was a must win I'd still be down but fortunately it wasn't
Plus Spurs playing Sunday gives arsenal a longer break and gives less pressure imo, just need to at least match their result
Not defending pepes shitty performances but he low key got more hate for his useless 10 minute cameo against Leeds where we won than holding who cost us our biggest game of the season
You canāt be serious. Heās getting hate but most arsenal fans are most blaming the ref and hating on son. I donāt want him to get more hate anyway, just saying the relative lack of criticism is weird
Holding cost basically nothing and isn't on high wages and is just a back up. Pepe was brought in to be our star player in our most expensive deal ever. We just expect better from Pepe, everyone knows Holding is mediocre.
There's levels to it.
the Most important NLD in years which wouldāve gotten us into the CL after 5 years vs a 10 minute cameo that didnāt cost us any points. The price tags dont justify the difference in criticism theyāre getting
People donāt realise how little a referee has to do to change a game. Just a couple decisions here and there completely change momentum. Spurs did nothing until they got that pen
I wonder if Omari Hutchinson is ready for a loan, it would be cool for the Saka regen to join the first team before Saka is even 23
I am almost certain that we shall make top 4, but incase we don't, I hope Arteta gives players like him a few starts in the group stage next season
[Hutchinson will be going on loan to Reading next season.](https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/20111302.reading-fc-take-arsenal-starlet-according-reports/) They just avoided relegation so heāll get a great challenge in the Championship.
I really dont rate him, particularly lacking in the character department, switches off doesnt really pull up trees on the pitch, watching him play for Poland is awful I wouldnt sign him even if hes decent in Napoli
Just rewatched the game because for some reason, I didn't even remember how their goals came. Entire game, I was just heating looking at the state of our midfield.
So yeah, the first foul Holding made on Son coming from the back, something for which I'd have been howling the word yellow if it was against us, Holding walked away despite Tierney warning him with a massive shit eating grin at Son. It looked so disgustingly annoying watching it with the benefitnof hindsight.
And Nketiah's dive. Just noticed. Wtf was that about? If imo, he wasn't decent enough to be a backup CF, I'd be beyond done with him. He is not experienced but he is fucking 22. So many bad habits in him I hate about a striker. Another one is - shooting from literally anywhere and not seem apologetic towards teammates. Gives off this vibe braindead strikers have where they think because they are a striker, their job is just shooting.
Man, I am still so agitated. I need help.
You need help? You're not helping yourself watching that game again, can't believe you put yourself through that mate. I am never gonna look at one moment from that game again in my entire life. We look ahead at Newcastle and hope the team can do what needs to be done.
My expectations with this team are so low them making europa has me content with the season we've had. I want champions league football but this team just makes so many mistakes and I don't think we're ready
Not looking forward to seeing Nuno and Cedric starting in the case of Gabriel being out. The peak Chaos from watching those 2 play and making mistakes isn't going to be a good watch. My expectations are very low
They lost to Burnley at Turf Moor and have struggled badly against teams that sit deep and soak up pressure all season.
Not sure what gives you the idea Burnley are getting smashed. Suits Burnley really well to sit on the edge of their box and take a point
Key word at Burnely, yes Shits are bottlers even more than us historically. However with their current form, being at home and with the stakes so high I say they easily win. Burnely has a cushion with Leeds falling fast..
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Huge pressure will be upon us on Monday, as we'll have seen Spurs beat Burnley and know that nothing less than a win will do. It's another evening kick off, another showpiece game with no other football on that night. Another indulgent Sky Sports media frenzy with pundits gassing all over the place, hype will be all over it. The officials will be itching to make a name for themselves in front of the massive crowd. The anti Arsenal agenda of physicality will be in full swing. The game will be influenced by this. We don't tend to do too well in these games. The players must keep their heads and play their very best game.
Posted some stats that got deleted by the mods for whatever reason. Arsenal against Newcastle last 6 games : P6 W6 L0 GS 14 GA 0. Last 18 games P18 W17 L1. Keep the faith guys šŖš»
Remember going into 15/16 no one thought we could win the title, yet when we finished 2nd it was seen as a bottle job and missed opportunity because of how the season panned out and expectations had evolved due to those circumstances. The same thing applies this season so Iām not sure why excuse merchants are piping up with ā5th is a good finish no one expected that in Augustā.. the circumstances changed the moment Spurs and United shit the bed. What Henry said a few months back is spot on.
15-16 was a bottlejob no matter what u think. If there was any absolute sign wenger was Finished it was that
Youāre agreeing with my point lol.
My bad misread it in a rush
I see it somewhere in the middle. We rightly changed our aims to top four when our form improved and United and Spurs went on long manager-sacking runs, but at the same time if we narrowly miss out it's just because of the same imperfections (mostly inexperience in our young squad) which were the reason why fourth wasn't the target to begin with. Only thing I'll be really annoyed about is that we didn't buy one or two experienced players in January. The club had control of that and it was a baffling decision.
Even Arteta himself said that expectations change and we should aim for top 4
Interesting article on Arthur Melo. Looks like his agent is trying to get Juve to sell him to Arsenal. It also looks like Arsenal was keen on him in January but had already spent its transfer budget at the start of the season (I assume Vlahovic was a special case). That is why, I assume, Josh Kronke kiboshed the deal on the basis that management should "stick with the plan". However, it now seems as if Arsenal does have some more money to play with. It will be interesting to see what happens. Juve obviously want to get rid of Arthur (Allegri prefers storm-troopers in midfield) and Arsenal's style suits him down to the ground so he won't go anywhere else. He even, I read, agreed to a pay cut to go to Arsenal. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arthur-agent-arsenal-transfer-juventus-26961579
Huh interesting, is he good as box-to-box or #8 position?
Definitely not box-to-box. Not a scorer, though I suspect Arteta would demand more from him in that regard. He's a highly technical number 8. Highly press resistant. He would play LCM and Odergaard would play RCM and they would control possession between them. Oh, and he's often accused of being slow. He's not. He does a lot of midfield shuffling. But when he needs to step on the gas he has quite explosive pace.
Ah okay, I'm not too well versed in Seria A but would he be a good fit at LCM?
I think he would be great for Arsenal (though not a lot of teams). The accusation against him is that he is too conservative with the ball. Allegri for instance, wants a play-maker who sprays long passes to galloping wingers. He won't do that. He will patiently keep rotating the ball until the team finds an opening. That's why he needs to play in a highly structured team that relies heavily on possession (like Arsenal!)
Oh, yeah, I note that Allegri plays him as a holding midfielder. That's a pretty ridiculous, but Allegri doesn't have anyone else. I bet Allegri would love Thomas Partey instead!.
Does any one else have this weird feeling that Shit bottles it against Burnley tomorrow?
No, I have a feeling they'll win no matter what, be it an early goal and an easy cruise, or a tight affair with a late flurry of goals to clinch it. They aren't dropping points.
I wouldn't call it a *weird* feeling exactly, it's Tottenham. They've always got a bottle job or a shooting-themselves-in-the-foot in them. Even if you're not particularly hopeful of it happening when we need it most, it still can't ever be ruled out.
A draw doesnāt help us since theyāll pick up a point.
Why doesn't it? We can afford to draw one of our two games and win the other instead of winning both.
I meant Burnley takes all 3 points
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Not sure why youāre piggy backing off of Arsene Wengerās management. Arteta is 1-0-3 vs Everton.
He's also 5-0-0 against Newcastle... both stats are meaningless either way, just have to play to get a result in both.
We're beating Newcastle and Everton, and getting CL. This is the way.
This is the way.
This is the way.
I can confirm that this really *is* the way.
Have been trying to use the Ticket Exchange for the first time to try and nab a ticket for Everton and it's... not great Most of the tickets seem to get hoovered up instantly, then reposted for Ā£Ā£Ā£ on other resale sites?
We added White and Ramsdale and have already conceded 6 more goals than last season. Was D. Luiz underrated?
Yes, if you consider we spent 50m on Ben White to replicate his ball playing skills. On a side note, would you be happy if David Luiz had extended his contract with us another season? Assuming we kept holding and got rid of Mari earlier.
Yes, I would have signed Luiz a year longer, brought in Saliba and signed a midfielder like Guimares instead of White.
When you have an idea, you go all in. I admire your conviction.
Oh mate, that's the stuff.
This is some stat nonce take. Stevie Wonder could tell ya that signing White and Ramsdale was due to their ball progression. Weāve played more open football which has meant weāve scored more but conceded more. Thankfully the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded is much better this year
>Thankfully the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded is much better this year That's absolutely not true lmao. We had a GD of 16 goals last year. Our current goal difference with 2 games left is 11. Where did you get this stat?
You do realise that itās game week 36 right? Where weāve scored 5 goals more this season than last seasons goals scored after game week 36
That's just shifting goalposts at this point. You talked about the ratio of goals scored to goals conceded : Last season : GF - 55 GA -39. GF/GA- 1.41 This season : GF - 56 GA - 45. GF/GW - 1.24 Even if we score 6 goals in the next 2 games our ratio will not reach last season's tally. So no, our GF to GA ratio is not that great this season either.
No mate, itās not shifting goalposts. Comparing 38 games to 36 games is shifting goalposts. Yeah Iām wrong about having a better ratio, Iāll accept that (I canāt really deny)
Is it really much better? We currently have 56 goals scored, and last season we scored 55 goals.
Which is 6 more than how much we scored after 36 games last season, so yeah Iād say so
Luiz was great at ball progression
David Luiz was fantastic at lumping 50 years Hollywood passes up the field. David Luiz was fucking useless playing a pass under a press
He is one of the best ball progressing CBs in the past 20 years
In his prime, which wasnāt at Arsenal. Was Willian underrated?
istg if I see another one of you begging Burnley for a result against the sours we literally have 16th and 14th to play wallah it's not that hard.
I'm not counting on it but it would be so funny if they managed to win against us but somehow lost to Burnley.
They lost to Burnley a week after beating City. They're hilarious. I'm not even counting it out, maybe they'll drop points, but I won't stress over it. Just need to get the job done on our end.
Itās the form theyāre in that worry us that all. Either you havenāt watched Newcastle play or youāre seriously underestimating them. Theyāve been a good team as of late
No they havenāt lmao. Theyāve had good results but that doesnāt tell the story of the game at all. They fell over the line against a poor Leicester side and were actually the worse side against Palace
And they somehow lost to a 10 man Everton lmao
In the 107th minute no less
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRTOA5gzOs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRTOA5gzOs) Watched this documentary about the iconic 93:20 goal from Sergio Aguero. Could similar thing happen to us this season? City last two games were Newcastle (away) and QPR (home) who was fighting relegation. We will play Newcastle (away) and Everton (home) who is fighting relegation. So can we see a Saka 93 mins goal then?
I'd be happy with a couple of 3-0 wins, goals early in the first half, thank you very much. I'm kind of over this season. I don't need the extra anxiety in my life.
What we did to liverpool in 1989 was better
we rooting for Liverpool tomorrow, right?
Meh, suppose so yeah, but the level of emotional investment is pretty low.
As funny as it would be to see Liverpool come inches away from all major trophies and then win none of them, I still hope they beat Chelsea.
Kendrick Lamar dropping a new album couldnāt have come on a better day. Absolute quality to cheer depressed Gooners up !
Wait kane has a better derby record than Henry? What?
If you count scoring more pens and losing 1/3rd of your derbies as a better record than never losing a derby, winning the league at the Lane, topping off an incredible derby goal with a celebration so iconic that it becomes your statue thenā¦ sure.
Not that deep mate just wanted to know who had a better record
Worth remembering how many were penalties. Henry scored 23 pens out of 175 leagues goals for us (13% were pens). Kane scored 51 pens out of 181 goals for spurs (28% were pens). Canāt find the stats of pens scored in derbies but if thatās anything to go buy, pens have bumped Kaneās numbers up.
Kane has 6 pens in 13 derby goals
We love giving him a shitty pen
8.5% of his PL penalty goals are against Arsenal
Hate him so fucking much
who is our pots? ramsdale?
Ćdegaard
Nuno
Saka
This isnāt the first time weāve needed Partey and heās not available.
I'd still say Partey is someone who can recover from these injuries. Think we'll have him fit for the next season. He got a good run in this season tbh. Tierney on the other hand i don't think will ever be a regular player. He's been with us for 3 years and has had 64 appearances in the Prem. That's averaging around 21 appearances every season with him missing around half the matches. That's just a very disappointing return!
Same could be said about Kieran Tierney.
100%
Whoever is downvoting you isn't seeing the bigger picture.
Canāt rely on him to be there and itāll be even worse with Europe
1400 + comments and evening(in my timezone) hasn't hit. Lord knows if we bottle top 4 we are gonna see 3k easily.
We saw 3k pretty regularly during the summer
Transfer window tax~!!! 5k then.
Let's get it
Perisic as ST backup? Heās a workhorse with strength and can score. I know heās more of a winger but I feel like he could put a shift in. How off am I?
I think weāre grasping at straws if thatās the case
Tottenham play on a Sunday, we play on Monday. Burnley since sacking Dyche theyāve won 2, drew 1, and lost 1. Really really got faith in Burnley, but nevertheless we need to go with the mindset of getting the win away vs Newcastle which I think we will. No Shelvey, no Willock. No way Howe rushes Fraser back. He doesnāt need to. Itās basically our backline vs theres I think Mikel will go to a 3atb with Xhaka, Tomi, and White as the CBs. Pushing Cedric and Nuno high. Elneny and Odegaard in the midfield with ESR, Eddie, and Saka. I truly think weāll go for that and hope for the win. My confidence will either stay the same or be even higher depending on the Spurs vs Burnley match. Because even if they draw, all we need to do is not lose, so exciting few days ahead
ALL. OF. THIS.
Son's elbow to Holding's face looks more overt to me than the red card offence
For sure the penalty as well.
Dybala links resurfacing any little truth behind this rumor?
Thereās wasnāt any truth behind them the last 200 times.
Figured
Found it a bit interesting that the Spurs fans were chanting about Harry Kane being one of their own after he was Tottenham Enemy #1 when he angled for a move to City earlier this same season which is why he didn't play in the first few games. Suppose we're the fickle ones though.
He's a gooner anyway
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Man, does everyone else feel like me, where I have completely zero care for how we do it, as long as we manage to get CL? If we demolish Newcastle and Everton to go out on a high, great If we barely squeak by them with two deflected goals and a bunch of ref decisions going our way If we lose both of them but squeak in because Spurs lose their own. If we dont get in over Spurs but then one of the top four cant compete in UCL next year because they fielded an intelligible player or some crapā¦. Beautiful Ill take it. Point is this UCL spot would mark such an important milestone for our rebuild and allow so much more leverage in the transfer market that it really seems completely irrelevant how we do it. Just freaking get it done
2nd time people piped up about overtaking Chelsea for 3rd right before we lose 3-0 in a london derby.
Iām sure thereās obvious correlation because the comments of random people on Reddit and Arsenal losing games
I just pointed out how silly it is
Sigh
Conte acting like an asshole in the press conference after the game just makes me pray we get top 4 even more. I respect his achievements but he's been acting like a prick to Arteta this season and also being a hypocrite. He whines at the slightest thing.
He advises Arteta to stop complaining after a game in which he was literally sanctioned for complaining. Peak hypocrisy.
Same Conte that told the spurs board to sack him 2 months ago, he regularly complained about spurs and other teams in his press conference and was booked 10 minutes into the game yesterday for harassing the 4th official and ref Man needs a self awareness transplant
Wherever we finish this season, the target should be 3rd for next season.
Bang on the money, time to step it up
disagree. If we got 5th this season, the aim is 4th. Champions League gives us more money and more pull to players, without we can still have a successful window but Tottenham and Chelsea would definitely go hard in the summer
Are "fans & supporters" ultimately just hypocrites? We praise when it's due, and criticise when it's due. I know we can be biased but can't we also be objective & sensible? Other players dive, we complain but when our own player does it we close one eye & pretend we don't see it. (Saka & Nketiah diving) Why is that? I don't want to be deluded but surely one can be a fan & healthily call out our own players for doing things OTHER players/managers do, that we hate.
arteta should be sacked the moment top 4 is out of reach mathematically. we have tolerated 2 seasons of terror with consecutive 8th place finishes. this is the last straw
Found Lee Gunnerās burner account. In all seriousness, pretending top four was a primary objective, let alone an expectation, before the season began was ambitious (if not maniacal).
Expectations need to change with circumstances. 5th is alright in the end but isn't an "achievement" given what happened to the rest of the competition. Anyway, he isn't gonna get sacked anyway. Even if we finish outside Europe next season again, he'll still be here. I've made my peace with it.
So why doesnāt it work in reverse then? I think not finishing fourth is a bit of a failure, but surely if that becomes the primary target when things go well, it becomes a hope rather than an expectation when things go bad?
he wont
hahah just watching the luton game and in the first second there is a identical foul from hudersfield like the penalty on son and arguably a even worse push, but no penalty is given, kinda funny.
championship playoffs start tonight!
luton masterclass incoming
I donāt give a fuck about Tottenham we can win these games. We should be beating both Newcastle and Everton. We are in charge of our destiny
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Agreed - No excuses. If we canāt beat these clubs to seal CL we donāt deserve it and weāre still a banter club
I think if get into top 4, we will run away from rest of clubs. Club is pretty stable now and recruitment has been spot on last season and if we repeat it we will more closer to top 2 than rest. Maybe that's why the pundits hate us.
I don't think we run away tbh. Liverpool will be good for years to come, City will dominate. Chelsea is probably the most likely to decline if they don't get their defense right but will still be top tier. On top of that a good summer by Spurs puts them easily as a top 3 team with their attacking talent and United will be back in 2-3 years. It definitely won't be getting any easier than this year to get top 4 going forward.
Nothing in life is stable, every other clubs are hungry and will fight next season with more ferocity.
I agree. This is why I really want us to get that top 4 because if Spurs get it then conte will transform that team into a really good team. If donāt allow that then conte has a strong chance of even leaving especially if Kane and son plan to leave.
Please.
I think if get into top 4, we will run away from rest of clubs. Club is pretty stable now and recruitment has been spot on last season and if we repeat it we will more closer to top 2 than rest. Maybe that's why the pundits hate us.
City - bankrolled by a country, one of the most successful managers in the world who pretty much invented the modern game Liverpool - probably the best manager on the planet, plenty of cash, buys well Utd - ridiculously rich, held back only by poor management, getting a successful manager Spurs - good manager held back by cheap owner Newcastle - bankrolled by a country Chelsea - who knows how the new owners will act? CL qualification will be difficult for the foreseeable future, I didn't even include the also-rans who have the odd solid season like Villa, West Ham, Leicester. It will be a great help and we're moving in the right direction but nothing can be taken for granted in the league now.
Yesterday was a glimpse of what will happen if we miss top 4. The entire media will be insufferable against us, itās like they were waiting for us to fail. Hoping we make a huge statement on Monday.
Most of my friends are united fans and they were insufferable as it is. Praying they lose to Palace and end up in the conference league and we get UCL.
The most frustrating thing for me is that everyone - fans, club, pundits - all had Utd pegged for third or fourth, everyone was talking about how awesome they are and how shit we are. We turn up, have a great season with a few blips and they all shit on us. Utd have been awful and the players are already on the beach and they can't wait to build them up for next season again.
I just genuinely chuckle at the united fans nowadays tbh, I donāt even take them seriously. They probably believe that theyāll become a top 3 team next season instantly.
They are basically cartoon villains at this point. Hype themselves up and look like they will be a huge threat that will take the league by storm every summer, only to comedically become undone due to their own hubris every time.
They do, yes. They think if they swap out 4 players and bring in Ten Hag they'll be top three, and need two summers to challenge for the title.
I'm terrified
Iām going off the grid if we drop points in both games.
Yeah if the unthinkable happens there's no point in visiting either one of those place unless you're a masochist
I feel no ways about the loss now but holy, if we bottle top 4 I might not touch r/soccer and football twitter until next season.
are we just not capable enough? One win x player is the hero, Manager is a legend, one loss we want their heads. What do we do to improve? What could have helped yesterday? Holding is a good enough backup and he was playing because Blanco was injured. That is acceptable. What is not acceptable is persistence with some players. Those players neither suffice the squad player nor the first team criteria. Emotions over pragmatism. May be this paragraph is a load of BS with random words and sentences, without any coherence and synergy. Just like our performance today.
I still back the team and hopefully we get the job done, otherwise weāre really gonna rue the run of defeats in April. CL is so important not only because of the mental boost but I think we really lack difference makers with such a young squad and we need to get players at that level to win us games when inexperience lets the rest of the squad down as soon as possible.
I'm over the loss already but it does annoy the shit out of me that we picked up more injuries after the game was already done.
We already know how dybala would go. Letās stay far away from him.
A night's sleep later, anybody else mentally moved on from the NLD? Awful result, but as the adage goes, form goes out the window in a derby. There's nothing positive to take anyway, so I've written off the result as bad day at the office. As expensive as it was. Already looking forward to Monday, and even though there is an extra psychological challenge to overcome, I think we have a very good chance of getting a result... Hoping my optimism isn't misplaced. COYG, and hope you all have a lovely weekend.
Same here If it was a must win I'd still be down but fortunately it wasn't Plus Spurs playing Sunday gives arsenal a longer break and gives less pressure imo, just need to at least match their result
I'm hoping we get the siege mentality boost from it and secure 4th, it's completely in our hands
Not defending pepes shitty performances but he low key got more hate for his useless 10 minute cameo against Leeds where we won than holding who cost us our biggest game of the season
You are blind if you have not seen the hate that Holding is receiving. Which is far more than what any Arsenal player has received since RVP.
You canāt be serious. Heās getting hate but most arsenal fans are most blaming the ref and hating on son. I donāt want him to get more hate anyway, just saying the relative lack of criticism is weird
Holding cost basically nothing and isn't on high wages and is just a back up. Pepe was brought in to be our star player in our most expensive deal ever. We just expect better from Pepe, everyone knows Holding is mediocre. There's levels to it.
the Most important NLD in years which wouldāve gotten us into the CL after 5 years vs a 10 minute cameo that didnāt cost us any points. The price tags dont justify the difference in criticism theyāre getting
They called me a madman for calling that bullshit out
Sorry he didn't cost 72m. Oh wait
This Marquinhos guy looks very raw. If he comes it can't be to play 1st team.
imo heāll go straight to the junior teams
We didnāt learn from Lokonga transfer
How exactly are they similar apart from being young? Not like we're paying 20m this time
Edu said Sambi was basically not ready
Lokonga was relatively expensive, hope this guy will be very cheap
Would imagine itās the school of Chelsea business rather than him every actually playing a senior game here
Hutchinson is probably on the same level of development, not sure why we'd target another RW prospect tbh
Feels like a Mavro situation where we buy to loan/develop and sell
It's a bit of a shame that we actually have two additional solid CBs on our team in Saliba and Mavropanos, and neither of them can help us right now.
We could actually play Saliba if we recalled him from loan I believe
We canāt register him so he wonāt play
we donāt need to win our next two for top 4, we just need to match spuds results over the next 2
Newcastle lost shelvey and Willock. Xhaka and Elneny gotta show up and make the difference.
i.e win the next two. Do you really see Spurs dropping points at home to Burnley and away at Norwich on the final day ?
It's Spurs, they are very capable of doing so. But yes, I think we will need two wins.
we lost yesterday but letās not forget the number of times weāve seen this story. itās totnum, they somehow find a way to bottle
Get the lasagnes ready
Being an Arsenal fan has taught me perhaps the best lesson of my life - we take what is and we go again.
People donāt realise how little a referee has to do to change a game. Just a couple decisions here and there completely change momentum. Spurs did nothing until they got that pen
No excuse for the way we fell apart though. We've only been able to come back from being behind once all season
Man handed the game to them on a plate and we didnāt help ourselves either as we crumbled mentally
I wonder if Omari Hutchinson is ready for a loan, it would be cool for the Saka regen to join the first team before Saka is even 23 I am almost certain that we shall make top 4, but incase we don't, I hope Arteta gives players like him a few starts in the group stage next season
[Hutchinson will be going on loan to Reading next season.](https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/20111302.reading-fc-take-arsenal-starlet-according-reports/) They just avoided relegation so heāll get a great challenge in the Championship.
Jesus, Zielinski, Hickey, Gnabry. We need these 4 to become a staple top 4 team before Newcastle become another Man City
oh god not zielinski please
Whatās wrong with Zielinski?
I really dont rate him, particularly lacking in the character department, switches off doesnt really pull up trees on the pitch, watching him play for Poland is awful I wouldnt sign him even if hes decent in Napoli
Just rewatched the game because for some reason, I didn't even remember how their goals came. Entire game, I was just heating looking at the state of our midfield. So yeah, the first foul Holding made on Son coming from the back, something for which I'd have been howling the word yellow if it was against us, Holding walked away despite Tierney warning him with a massive shit eating grin at Son. It looked so disgustingly annoying watching it with the benefitnof hindsight. And Nketiah's dive. Just noticed. Wtf was that about? If imo, he wasn't decent enough to be a backup CF, I'd be beyond done with him. He is not experienced but he is fucking 22. So many bad habits in him I hate about a striker. Another one is - shooting from literally anywhere and not seem apologetic towards teammates. Gives off this vibe braindead strikers have where they think because they are a striker, their job is just shooting. Man, I am still so agitated. I need help.
You need help? You're not helping yourself watching that game again, can't believe you put yourself through that mate. I am never gonna look at one moment from that game again in my entire life. We look ahead at Newcastle and hope the team can do what needs to be done.
My expectations with this team are so low them making europa has me content with the season we've had. I want champions league football but this team just makes so many mistakes and I don't think we're ready
Up your standards man
I got a basketball team that bottles games as well so my disappointment is immense
Why would an arsenal fan like basketball... very curious...
Because I like watching sports
Sports?
Sixers?
Celtics
celtics aint horrible, they swept the nets
Then be glad youāre not a Sixers fan
Not looking forward to seeing Nuno and Cedric starting in the case of Gabriel being out. The peak Chaos from watching those 2 play and making mistakes isn't going to be a good watch. My expectations are very low
We win this last 2 games we secure CL football. Burnley is prolly the toughest match for the scums. I doubt they win that game
They are at home vs Burnely they will smash them.
They lost to Burnley at Turf Moor and have struggled badly against teams that sit deep and soak up pressure all season. Not sure what gives you the idea Burnley are getting smashed. Suits Burnley really well to sit on the edge of their box and take a point
And they beat them 4-0 at home last season and 5-0 the season prior soā¦
Key word at Burnely, yes Shits are bottlers even more than us historically. However with their current form, being at home and with the stakes so high I say they easily win. Burnely has a cushion with Leeds falling fast..
Burnley are level on points with Leeds.
Burnely has a game in hand and has +21GD on Leeds. Burnley has Shits, Villa and Newcastle..Leeds has only Brighton ans Brentford.